In general, when I share reader questions, I try to keep them as broad as possible. I get a lot of requests for advice about specific situations, but I try to steer those to the Get Rich Slowly discussion forum. I like for the questions on the blog to be relevant to a lot of readers.
Here’s a small exception. Christine wrote for help with her specific circumstances. She’s a twenty-something student overwhelmed by her finances. Her concerns are representative of many e-mails I receive.
I am an avid reader of your blog and have been trying to follow your advice but can’t get any of it to stick to my personal situation.
I am twenty-four years old, working a full-time job earning around $33K annually and attending college part-time a couple evenings a week. I’m single, no kids or roommates. My main problem is my fixed expenses are just too high and I cannot dump them anytime in the future.
- My rent is $595/month (including all utilities & internet).
- My car payment is $200/month and insurance costs me another $220/month (the cheapest I could find).
- My cell phone is $100/month.
- I pay an additional $200 in debt payments to my grandfather for a loan for school.
I’m enslaved to contracts for each one of those fixed expenses. I am barely making ends meet currently, and have taken drastic steps to save money, but I never have enough to last till payday. Furthermore, I graduate college next year and have taken out a few student loans, which will have to be repaid.
Because I don’t have time for another part-time job between working 9-5 and going to school in the evening, I’ve been exploring alternative methods of increasing income (babysitting, etsy, selling unused things). While these afford me minor relief, they are few and far between and I cannot really rely on them. I’ve also been avidly using coupons, which helps, but I honestly don’t buy that much of anything to make a difference.
A lot of the advice I read on saving money involves economies of scale and planning fun nights at home. What do you do when that doesn’t apply? How can I manage to have a fulfilling twenty-something life while managing my finances? I am lost, please help.
Christine is experience the pain of pinched cash flow — her expenses are too high and her income is too low. (Going back to Monday’s discussion of the balanced money formula, Christine’s needs are too high, cramping the other aspects of her financial life.)
In David Copperfield, Mr. Micawber astutely describes the thin line between joy and despair: “Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.”
When I was in debt and living paycheck-to-paycheck, I was perpetually $50 or $100 behind. It felt like I was drowning. But once I managed to lift my income over my expenses, even by just a small amount, I felt like I could breathe again. I believe that this is what Christine needs to do, too. But how?
- When her contract is up, Christine should ditch the cell phone. Find a cheaper alternative. If possible, live without a telephone at all. That’s $100/month in savings right there. (From my own experience, $100/month can be huge.)
- Depending on her relationship with her grandfather, Christine could ask if he’s willing to temporarily accept reduced payments: $100 or $150 per month.
- Though I don’t know her circumstances, $220/month for car insurance seems astronomical. She should shop around again, but she should also look at her current coverage to see if there are ways to cut costs. (Here are 10 expert tips for saving on car insurance.)
These steps (and others like them) will increase Christine’s cash flow, which should make a huge difference. However, it’s important for her to maintain any surplus she generates, and not just to sink it into other expenses. Christine is locked into contracts, and it may be a while before she’s able to improve her cash flow significantly, but I believe this is where she needs to start.
Do you have any advice for Christine? Do you have any suggestions for her current situation? Any general recommendations for twenty-somethings who might find themselves in similar circumstances? How did you cope with these sorts of problems when you were just getting started in life?
Update: Christine added a comment answering a few questions, including additional expenses. Your encouragement has already helped her drop her insurance to $116/month! Also, I’ve marked a couple great comments in the thread. I especially like this comment from Jonathan.
This article is about Ask the Readers, Basics, Budgeting, Choices, Real-Life Thursday, 30th October 2008 (by J.D. Roth)


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October 30th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I would say that if she lives in an area that has good public transportation she should seriously consider selling her car and trying public transportation or a bike for a little while. That would result in huge savings.
If not that, maybe sell the car and get a cheap used car.
Also, negotiate with Gramps, I’m sure he’s willing to help…
October 30th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Sell the car and buy a clunker. Get back what you need to repay the entire loan, plus a few hundred bucks to find a rusted out shell. That will save your payments and the insurance. (Often if there is a loan on the vehicle, the lender requires comprehensive insurance - but if it’s yours and paid for, you just need liability.)
Get a roommate. Find somebody else in your situation and let them move in. Even if you just have one bedroom, you can make it work with futons, duct-tape divisions in bedrooms, etc. Even a sibling, painful as it may be.
Reduce every option on the cell phone. $100/mo - that’s ridiculous.
Get a small job at a place that has food for employees. Even just a couple of hours a week at a pizza place will put a few bucks in your pocket and provide you with a couple of meals. (Yes, you do have time. Plenty of people do it - it just sucks.)
Alternatively, if you don’t want to spend that time working, spend it applying for better-paying jobs or looking for roommates, either of which would save you right now.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
I am surprised by you asking her to get rid off the cell-phone. How can anybody (specially 20 somethings) live without a cell phone today? Better is to downgrade the plan.
Christine’s rent sounds really cheap (including internet). I doubt that is for one bedroom apartment, but if it is, she can consider living with a roommate for a while.
I agree that insurance is VERY high. If she is driving an expensive car, consider trading that in for a cheaper car- which will reduce both -monthly payment and insurance.
Good luck!
October 30th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I agree that cell phone and insurance are the two major items that seem extremely high. Even a fee to cancel the contract might be worth it depending on how long you have left. You can get a plan for $35 or spend even less with a prepaid plan. A $200 cancellation fee would pay for itself in 3 months if you could save $65 a month on a different plan.
Definitely shop around for car insurance. My rates are less than half that and I am the same age with an accident and a ticket, so you definitely can do better.
Think about getting a roommate, selling the car for a cheaper one, cook at home, etc. Instead of going out, get together with your friends for a potluck and movie or games at home. If family lives nearby, mooch a couple meals off them. They will be happy to get to spend some time with you.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
@LC — Finding a roommate is a great suggestion. I hadn’t considered that.
DollarDream$ wrote: How can anybody (specially 20 somethings) live without a cell phone today?
It can be done!
I’m not suggesting that Christine live without a phone permanently. But if her financial situation is causing her stress, then living without a phone seems like small price to pay to get things right. There are plenty of alternatives, including pay-as-you-go cell phones, a landline, and internet telephony.
A phone isn’t a required part of modern life — it just sometimes seems that way.
Caveat: This advice is coming from a man who will be 40 in March. If you’re in your twenties, keep in mind that I’m old.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
That cellphone plan seems very high. I have a $35/ month plan that basically only allows me to have long conversations after 8 p.m. or on weekends. I can still get important messages during the day, but I have to save my long catch-up calls for evenings or weekends.
Her rent seems fairly cheap but I’m sure she could find a roommate situation and save even more. It might even be worth paying a small fee to break her current lease. As J.D. says, even $50/month less in fixed expenses would give her some breathing room.
Personally I would go the roommate route rather than the extra job route if her priority is enjoying her 20s. If she can find an easy-to-get-along-with roommate, she will have a built-in person to spend a cheap evening with. You and your roomie can rent a movie, order some pizza and have some friends over instead of going out to a bar and spending 3Xs as much. With the exception of a couple of people, I always enjoyed living with roommates and have a lot of fond memories of those experiences.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
$100 a month for a cell phone?? That’s just nuts, what kind of plan is that?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I did some math real quick
33,000 annual salary, assume 25% tax rate (I know this is high). SO…
24750 annual net salary
-15708 annual fixed expenses (listed anyway)
= 8970 / 12 months = 747.5
how are you spending the other 747.5 per month? what is your food budget?, How much do you spend on gas? How are you paying for school/books/supplies?
Perhaps the real question is, what do you consider a fulfilling 20-something life?
Tips: Find new insurance, 220 is ridiculous. I don’t think getting rid of the car will help much, 200 is already a pretty low car payment. Ask grandfather to reduce/suspend payments until your situation improves
October 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I don’t have much advice that hasn’t already been given, but I have been there. I’m now 33 with wife and 2 kids (3rd on the way). Unfortunately, I make about the same income you do and I’m trying to get my wife through nursing school as well (1 year to go!).
I take the bus when I can, we use coupons and the library a lot, and I supplement our income with eBay and the occassional student loans. I guess my main message to you is “hang in there…” I remember when the 2 of us lived off of my salary of $11,000!! (only 10 years ago.) We’ve made it so far and we’ll keep tightening our belts until that additional income comes in.
Just remember to keep using all the money-saving tips you learn on here, and as your income grows with you, your sense of financial freedom/security will slowly expand, too.
Best wishes in this tough economy!
October 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I would really get aggressive on lowering car insurance. Progressive and Geico are usually reasonable. I was paying $100/month and I had an accident on my record when I was with Progressive by myself.
Next, I’d negotiate for a better rate on the cell phone plan.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
I agree with getting a roomie if moving to a cheaper place is not possible (even though that is a very reasonable amount she pays). Prepaid cell phone is also a good idea. I wonder how much she is spending on non-fixed expenses and if there is any way to make further adjustments there.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
I’m a 30-something, and use my cell phone for outgoing calls only. It’s on a prepaid plan, and in total I spend about $150 per YEAR on it. Cutting back on the cell phone is definitely possible. $100 a month is absurd for somebody with a limited budget.
If possible, sell the car and pay off the loan, and replace the car with a beater or use public transit (better yet, a bike!). A lot of this will depend on where she lives, but cheaper transportation options are available.
When I was a broke 20-something going to university, I got by with no cell phone (just a land line) and no vehicle (just a bike and a bus pass). It can definitely be done, and the payoff later in life is huge. Depending on the climate, a bike is an exceptional value for transportation - you can equip yourself with everything you’d need including a GOOD bike for less than $500, and not have to worry about insurance, gas, or car payments. Oh, and you won’t need to pay for a gym membership either since your transportation becomes your daily exercise…
October 30th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
If she’s worried about breaking her contract I know I was able to optimize my Sprint plan for a better rate without getting a new contract. I bet other phone companies offer similar options - call them up and say you want a better deal.
I’m also voting for public transportation. I got rid of my car two years ago and I barely ever miss it.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Ask for a raise, times are tough but you never know…
October 30th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I echo the others who say to drop the car and reduce the cell plan. Cash flow is a killer in your 20s.
If your insurance is $220/mo, you’re looking at $1320 every six months. This is ludicrous. This means that either you’ve had accidents, tickets or are driving WAY too much car for your phase of life.
Take public transportation and sell the car and get a bike. Buses may not go everywhere you need, but “bus + bike” can get you most places in most cities. (And if there’s a place you drive to that you don’t feel comfortable biking to… maybe you shouldn’t be going there anyway.)
Once you finish college, your full time salary should jump. That’s when you can start to enjoy yourself. For now, you should lower your expectations and focus on completing college as quickly as possible. That’ll do the most for you over the long term, so get it out of the way ASAP.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I’m a young 20-something myself. I’m living at home but not paying rent. I also don’t have a car payment because the car I have was paid off and given to me by my grandparents when I started college (I graduated in May).
I agree with everyone else that the car insurance and cell phone seem really high. I have a Verizon plan that gives me 450 anytime minutes, 250 text messages a month, and unlimited nights and weekends. I can also text or talk to anyone with Verizon for free anytime. This costs me $55 a month.
As for car insurance, my car is a 2001 with less than 100k miles on it, so it’s not exactly a clunker. I’m only paying $60.89 a month through USAA (my dad and grandpa were members). Mine is cheap because my car isn’t new and they give incentives to younger family members (and I’ve never had an accident), but the difference between $220/month and $60/month can’t just be because of the different cars we have…
October 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I’d be curious what she’s spending the rest of her money on. A $33k salary is a little over $2000 a month take home. Subtract those recurring monthly expenses and she has $685 left over for discretionary spending. That’s a lot of money for one person to go through on discretionary items.
Outside of that, I’d strongly suggest getting rid of the car. That will recover $420 of recurring monthly expenses. Some of that will have to be spent again on a beater and insurance, but it would surely be less than the current $420.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
The cell phone would be the easiest way. Every provider has an entry level plan at $40/month. If you can get by just having a phone for emergencies, Virgin Mobile has a plan the is pre-paid, $15/90 days, and all leftover minutes roll over. That is what I have been using for 5 years.
Roommates are a great idea. The rule that 2 can live as cheaply as 1 is true. Leave grandpa alone. You took the money on good faith and must pay as agreed. That is why you never lend money to relatives.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Everyone has been giving great suggestions!
I also noticed that she never mentioned why she *had* to have a car. Saving $440 a month would be huge for her! Another option if she really does need a car but doesn’t use it a ton every month is to look into whether zipcar would work for her. For $440 she could get ~55 hrs of car use a month. If she uses less than that she would start saving $$.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I second the get a roommate suggestion if you don’t already have one (It will drop the cost of rent and utilities) and if you have internet access at school and work then you can get rid of it at home! It might be a little inconvenient, but it will save you money.
It is hardest to make those descisions that will make your life a little more inconvenient/uncomfortable at first… but in the long run you will get used to those changes and they can pay off financially.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I find it really shocking that her car insurance is $220/month. At no age has mine ever cost that much. I’m only two years older than her and I pay just under $400/six months. I’d recommend switching to paying half-yearly or annually, that should significantly lower the cost. (For me, Progressive auto insurance has without exception always had the best rates.)
Also agree with switching the cell phone plan. Again, I’m not sure how it’s so high. I pay extra for my plan to get calls in all of North America (I travel to Canada very frequently because my husband lives there) and it’s just under $100. Before I switched to that plan, my bill was just under $70 (would have been cheaper, but I pay for extra features like internet and whatnot). Lots of cell phone companies offer discounts for employees of certain companies (Boeing, Microsoft, &c. and even smaller ones as well, if her current provider doesn’t offer it, she ought to consider looking around to see if another provider does). She ought to check to see if they offer a discount for the company she works for (my discount is 20%, it makes a big difference). If she finds another company that is cheaper, it could be worth cancelling — lots of cell phone companies lower the cancellation fee depending on how far into your contract you are so it may not be as bad as it used to be.
I think the other things, while possible to change, would be considerably more difficult, but I think these two would definitely be the easiest to change to free up some more money, along with (as other people suggested) asking her grandfather to reduce her monthly payment and extending the length of the loan. I imagine if he’s kind enough to loan her money in the first place, then he’ll probably be kind enough to allow her more flexibility so she doesn’t drown in debt and find her self ultimately unable to pay back the loan.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Hmm.. for even some different advice. She’s 24… and single. This might sound a little wacky, but besides being able to save money with downgrading her cellphone plan and getting better insurance and maybe cutting down how much she’s given to her grandfather (it depends on if he really needs the money), she could definitely find other ways to save like err.. never eating out, making her own meals.. and how about maybe finding a special someone. I know.. easier said then done, but let’s face it having a partner is a huge plus; dual income, 2 people paying for the rent of one (if you’re cool with that), 1/2 your electricity bill. The other person might pay for dinner more. So that’s something to consider.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Perhaps she should think about getting a roommate to cut expenses in half if she has a two bedroom apt
October 30th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
It seems to me that it’s not necessarily the fixed costs that are the main problem here. The amount of income that Christine has after housing, transportation, utilities and debt payments seems to be about: 33000*.80-1315*12 = 10620 (assuming a tax bracket of 15% with no deductions, which is probably too high, and a 5% state income tax). This means that Christine has $885 per month after her fixed expenses. This needs to cover food, gas, clothes, and entertainment. Clothes and entertainment can be cut to a minimum, and food doesn’t cost that much unless you eat out a lot. I think Christine should focus on those expenses in addition to seeing if she can reduce her cell phone bill and car insurance.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
If any of her family is in the military, tell her to look for insurance and banking at USAA…their car insurance is EXTEREMLY low (mine is $50 a month and I have a horrible record) and their banking is great, you get interest, cash rewards, AND atm fee refunds on all checking accounts with no fees. That could help a lot too.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
She should sell the car. If she needs to take out a small loan to cover the difference between the value of the car and the selling price, so be it.
Buy a really cheap car for cash and insure it for liability only.
Then save up money to upgrade in car over time. Never pay interest on something that goes down in value.
Paul
October 30th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
I am 22, my husband is 26, and we are both grad students. We make around 25k a year combined. We have $600 rent, $300 car payment, $50 insurance, and $65 family plan cell phone bill. And we get by just fine.
$200 in debt payments is pretty serious. That needs to get knocked out. Sometimes we work ourselves into tough situations, and need to realize that it will take hard work, determination, and resolve to get ourselves out. Sometimes our previous choices prevent the fun we want to have now. That’s life, and that is part of being an adult. Get a roommate, ditch the phone, get better insurance or sell the car, and stop having so much fun until you have the money for it.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Two things:
1)
Negotiate with Gramps. Every dollar less that he lets he pay is is dollar she might not pay on a charge card or something.
2)
That’s crazy on the cell phone. Call them. Tell them you are a loyal customer (if you are), etc. (get loyalty discounts). Many will let you renew contract with a different plan but no cancelation fee (get a plan with less minutes). If they don’t help, call back and get someone else. Ask for cancelation department (then ask again).
A cancelation fee of $300 will pay itself back in 6 months if you can find a good plan for $50.
I’ve heard whenever they change contract terms on your plan you have the right to cancel your contact (it’s not the terms you agreed to).
Check out some different forums on-line and see what plans other people are bragging about. I don’t know your cellular company so I have no specific tips.
Get less minutes on your phone and pay $3 a month to Skype for unlimited outbound calling to US & Canada and make some of your calls from your computer at home. This is unlimited calls to phone lines (land or cellular).
c)
And the insurance seems crazy high.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
1. She needs to reduce her cell phone plan DRASTICALLY. She needs to get rid of all media, texting, and web services she may already subscribe to. Additionally, she needs to evaluate her phone habits. Is she going over her allotted minutes? Does she have far more minutes than she needs? You can change a plan w/o breaking a contract.
2. That car insurance rate is astronomical, and there is no reason in the world that one should pay more for monthly insurance than you do for your monthly car payment. Switch down to liability only, find another company, or (as a last resort) sell that car and buy something that doesn’t cost $220/month to insure. Ridiculous!!!
3. I don’t agree w/ negotiating the loan repayment to grandpa. She made a commitment and should stick to it. Also, trying to shirk her responsibility to him may have future consequences (he may not want to help her next time).
4. She needs to draw up a strict budget and stick to it. It sounds obvious, but having a ruler by which to measure your spending is important. There may be some hidden money leaks that she would find from living on a real budget.
5. Finally, I think she needs to rethink what it means to lead a “fulfilling life.” Very rarely do truly fulfilled people attribute their life satisfaction to money, and indeed some of the happiest people don’t have a heck of a lot of money.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Two easy things:
1. If possible, find a roommate
2. Lower the cell plan ($100 a month!? My partner and I together spend that, and with a data plan too!)
With #2, there may be a short-term penalty for doing that. However, if you can get a $50 plan, and have to pay $100 fee to make the change, your payback is still 2 months. Long-term thinking is the key.
Some other possibilities:
* Still in college? Student loans can be used for transportation expenses, and may have a lower rate than your car loan: use a student loan to pay off the car loan if that’s the case. Short term, you’ll have better cash flow, and long term you’ll pay less (and you’ll pay it back when you’ve graduated and have better income).
* Consider barter. For example, as your landlord if there’s something you can do in order to reduce your rent. I once reduced my rent by about 8% simply by agreeing to spend 30m a week mowing the lawn!
* In fact, negotiate often. Others have mentioned speaking with your grandfather about lowering the rate of payment. Other creditors are often open to such negotiations as well. Don’t stop there: I was able negotiate a 20% discount on my haircuts by promising a year’s worth of business. Lots of local businesses are willing to deal, and even some national ones are.
* Apply for grants, scholarships, etc. Some grants and scholarships are available that don’t pay tuition, and instead help you with living expenses.
* Ditch the car; even if you need a car a couple times a month, it could be cheaper to rent (esp. from friends) or participate in something like HourCar.
Above all, buck up! Most college students don’t even make ends meet, and leave school with piles of credit card debt.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I would suggest electricinsurance.com. I found it when I worked a summer internship at GE (the insurance was originally only for GE employees, but has now opened up to everyone). I have two cars and a condo with full coverage and I am paying $150 a month. They also do a good student discount.
Call your cell phone company and negotiate a lower plan, it can be done pretty easily in most cases if you just ask. If you post your cell phone plan and carrier on here I am sure all sorts of people will be willing to help you find the lowest price. I pay $53 a month for two phones with unlimited text/data and 500 min each.
For some short term cash you can always open up a free checking account and get a bonus (Bank of America, Chase and ING do this all the time).
October 30th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
As a 20something female I’m going to disagree with the roommate idea. Anyone who is this age has thought about it and those who think they can do it probably already are. I am consciously paying a premium to not live with a nutjob or a friend I’ll end up falling out with over something stupid. It’s a quality of life issue.
As for the cell phone, that is way, way too high. Unless you’ve been with your carrier for a number of years, don’t call the sales department (if you have been, call and ask for loyalty or retention - they’re usually separate from regular sales). Go into the store and get one of the commissioned sales people to sign you up for a new plan. You’ll have to extend the contract but most commissions seem to be structured in a way that doesn’t penalize them for this. Being at work all day I do fine with a 200 minute/mo sprint plan ($30) with $5 for buying my nights and weekends down to 7 p.m. and $5 for texting.
I’m also curious what’s eating up the extra $550-$700. If it’s a cc you have my sympathy, just got out of that myself. Otherwise maybe look at where it’s going. Maybe try to structure some time on weekends to cook and pack meals so you have something to eat between work and school if going out to eat is the problem? This helped me a bit in grad school, although I still hit up Taco Bell way more than I should have. Good luck!
October 30th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
As an alternative to selling the car outright, she should consider alternate transportation (bike, walking, bus/public transportation) and call her company to lower the mileage she’s driving in a year. Also, she should ask for a full breakout of what her deductibles are and what she’s paying for them, and have them run an alternate quote with different numbers. Any change would help.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
@Heather:
Renegotiating a payment isn’t necessarily “shirking a commitment”. As someone who’s lent to struggling students, I have some experience on the receiving end.
When I had one of my debtors come to me and say “I want to take an extra class, but if I do, I will have fewer hours at work and couldn’t make all my bills — can we renegotiate for a longer term and a lower bill”, I was happy to hear them out. It shows a lot of responsibility to discuss the issues rather than constantly dread them.
In this case, a “I’m paying all my bills, but I’m really trying to save for the future; I’ve cut out every expense I can, but I can’t reach my goals — is there something we can work out to lower my payment to you?” would probably work pretty well. Depends on the grandpa, I guess.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Wait a moment… $33k/year is $634/week. I’m no accountant, but I estimate roughly $5797/year income tax on that without considering any deductions. (She’s just barely in the 25% tax bracket.)
Medical Ins. (if she pays that) for a single person is not typically very much, but let’s assume about $35/paycheck.
So, again, rough numbers, but that’s about $488/week (27202/52 (weeks)).
*4 = ~$1953/month net.
The expenses she cites add up to $1350/month.
~$765/month left after taxes, insurance, and her cited bills.
I agree she’s paying way too much for auto insurance and mobile phone, but where is the other ~$765/month going?
Even if my numbers are a bit off, her remaining money is most certainly being blown somewhere.
So, in addition to finding alternative, cheaper ins. and cell phone providers, etc., I’d suggest using some software to track her other expenditures to see where the rest of her money is going and plug those holes.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
I am in almost an identical situation, only slightly younger with a slightly lower income.
I think the tips in the post and comments are solid. Lowering the insurance costs, phone bill, and asking to pay less for the loans would give her a little extra room in the budget. $100 a month for a phonebill sounds like an Iphone or a similar data plan, which really isn’t something it seems she can comfortably afford.
I think exploring outside income more seriously (or finding a better paying job) is really the best way to make this situation better. If you are babysitting sporadically, look for more families. I steadily babysat all through college and continue to work with three regular families. Try to arrange for a standing day once a week, instead of unreliable or infrequent dates. This way the income can be more dependable.
Other things I think twenty-somethings should do: keep in mind long-term goals, delay purchases (if I had gone with my gut I too would have an Iphone and a 100/month cellphone plan), be mindful of where your money goes, and keep reading about personal finance. It’s easy to get discouraged saving and being frugal at our age. Not a lot of people care about it or even really discuss it, but by absorbing information from blogs and articles I feel motivated.
Goodluck!
October 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Here are some general suggestions that may (or may not) help you out:
1st – Have you talked with your boss about a pay increase? Many companies offer yearly merit increases after your probationary period. If not, perhaps asking for a couple of hours of overtime if there is the opportunity. Even an hour a day (10 hours total on a 2 week pay period) would add up to another fifty to a hundred bucks.
2nd – Obviously people have talked about getting a cheaper phone or getting rid of the phone all together, selling the car and using public transportation, getting cheaper car insurance, roommates, etc. For me, what helped was starting to really see where my money was going and if any of it was falling through the cracks. I found that one month I spent $20 on just bottles of soda from the soda machine at work….It was crazy. Now that I have tightened up with my lunches (not going out and instead bringing my lunch – especially leftovers), I’m able to see more money for paying off debts and sock into our emergency fund. The best thing was that I am still spending the same amount of money each month on groceries and yet buying small plastic bottles of soda (when they’re on sale) and bringing them with my lunch. I could have gotten rid of the soda altogether but I work in a high stress job and it helps me to relax during lunch.
Good Luck!
October 30th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
I use a pre-paid cell phone plan and have been getting by with a cost of $70 per year for the last few years.
Until about a year ago, for over five years I rented a room in a private home at a very low rent. Something like this might be an option, especially since she is at work or school much of the time.
In my experience having a clunker car contributed more to expenses than it saved. I’ve been amazed how much more economical it has been since I changed to a better car.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Try using the cell phone to make calls only (no texting, surfing the web, sending pics) and maybe you can get on a family plan. I am still on my parents plan (it doesn’t cost them any more, and it saves me $50/month). My fiancee did the same thing a year ago, his parents had cell phones from separate companies, so he signed them up for a family plan and joined it as well. It saved them $10/mo and him $60/mo. Even if you agree to pay part of the bill it could be cheaper…
October 30th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
My thoughts echo those who mention that the fixed costs might not be the root of the problem here. I’m in a similar boat — early 20’s, and low cashflow (I’m a grad student, I make less than Christine states, and I live in an area where rent is more expensive). The question she asks, “How can I manage to have a fulfilling twenty-something life while managing my finances?” provides a bit of a clue as to what might be going on. Dinner out with friends and lunch at the deli with co-workers adds up quickly, not to mention the occasional night out on the town and cab ride home.
Ditching the car, even if it means moving somewhere where rent is a bit more expensive so that one can bus/bike, is definitely worth it. As for the contracts, the one-time hit of buying out the remainder of the terms (if the contract allows) might be worth it, as long as one doesn’t pick up new contracts with the newfound breathing room.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I think there is a lot of information missing here. For one, I’m curious as to what makes the cell phone bill so high. Is that the minimum plan or are there add-ons? If the second, then, hey, no-brainer. I live in an expensive city, and I still pay about $50/mo for cell phone.
Two, why is the car insurance so high? Christine, if you don’t know, then you should ask. It might also lead to negotiation. Again, I live in a crime-ridden large city, and paid about $400 every 6 months (before I just sold the car and stopped worry about it).
Three, what about the difference between these expenses and income flow? Where is the rest of that money going? Is there a budget in place where there can be room to find some flexibility?
Four, do “utilities” include cable?
Five, you say your main problem are fixed expenses. That is usually the case for most people. But the solution generally lies in the discretionary and non-fixed expenses.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
You can change your cell phone situation by posting on craigslist. Offer your current cell phone for free (you may have to offer them some additional cash if your cell phone isn’t very good) the only catch, of course, is that if they want the phone and cash they have to take over your contract.
We did this recently with my b/f’s cell phone so he could switch carriers and it took less than a week to find someone.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
I’ll nth the suggestion of trying public transportation if at all possible. Since giving up my car in January and switching to biking and busing I’ve saved a ton of money and gotten a lot of exercise, both of which have been a huge impact on my life. And when I bus somewhere I bring along a book or my DS with BrainAge, so I’m not just sitting and staring out of the window.
How much time is left in the cell phone contract? I’m 26, but myself and my siblings all still share a family plan with our parents, and we have for at least 6 years. I think an extra line is only $10/month above the base rate with T-Mobile, which has led to great savings for all of us. As Gary mentioned above, a $300 cancellation plan, if it leads to a reduced cost of $50, makes up for itself in 6 months.
Good luck, Christine.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
I would not recommend selling/trading your cell phone contract. There is no binding contact between you and the person. The bills will still be your responsibility if they fail to pay. Haven’t you ever seen daytime court shows?
October 30th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Her insurance rates are likely so high because she’s under 25. When I learned how to drive at age 24, my insurance agent strongly encouraged me to not acquire a car until after my 25th birthday, because my car insurance would drop by about 50% at that point. Christine should remember to call her insurance agent on her birthday and ask if her rates can go down.
Alternately, yes, look into selling the car and using public transportation.
Definitely look at reducing that cell plan–you can generally do that with the same cell company without paying a fee to break the contract. I wouldn’t recommend going without a phone at all, honestly–you really do need one for emergencies and if you’re hunting for a new job at all.
I remember what it was like being young and poor, and you have my sympathies. It gets better, though.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
* I frequently use my car for work, although I take the bus whenever I can so I drive very little.
* I live in a one-bedroom apartment and internet is provided by my apartment and included in the rent price. I also don’t have an apartment that could be shared by two people.
* At the suggestion of practically everyone, I found a much better deal through Progressive ($116/month) — I’m very excited about both of these since it will save me $129 a month without having to do anything. My car is a 2007 and my payments are low because I put down a substantial payment, but it makes insurance rates higher.
* Tuition, books and education expenses are around $500/month.
* My cell phone plan is high because I got an iPhone as a gift which required me to switch carriers and plans. I’ve reduced to the basic plan they have but it’s still $75/month.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
I haven’t read all of the other comments, but here’s my $0.02:
1. Most of the major US carriers will let you change *plans* within a single *contract*. She can drop from a plan full of minutes and unlimited texts to a smaller, less expensive plan. Most US carriers also have discounts for schools and employers (I get 20% off of Verizon through my employer). Look into that.
2. $220/mo for auto insurance is absolutely too high. Assuming that she’s been accident free for a few years, has Bs or better, and has renter’s insurance (she should!), she should be able to get that well below $220. My wife and I pay less than that for comprehensive coverage on both of our vehicles combined. Try raising your deductible to $1000 and trimming some of the junk out of your insurance plan.
3. Re-negotiate the monthly payments to her grandfather, if possible. He’ll probably want to hold her to their agreement, on principle, but family is family and he’ll probably relax a bit on the details.
The most important thing, for me, was to drop the idea of “Keeping Up With the Joneses”. Once I learned to evaluate my wants and needs, satisfy those, and feel happy, my overall expenses plummeted.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
What about flatmates? To live with a friend and share the rent .. it’s a good idea.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I agree with ditching the car. It’ll be the easiest way to save a whole lot of money, if she can make it work.
Location is key to making this work. If you are poor, you need to live in a place where you can take public transportation to both work and school, or where you can bike or walk to both locations.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
If she’s had a DUI or even a couple of speeding tickets, $220/month for insurance is probably the best she’s going to do. (Speculating here, not enough details to really offer sound advice) And with a $200/month car payment, she may already be driving a clunker. I’m assuming that’s for a used car unless she put down a large deposit on a new car. If you buy a used car, you could easily be paying $200/month on year 5 of the loan for a car that will barely start. Depending on where she lives, public transportation may not be an option. (I live in the suburbs, and the closest bus stop to my house is 5 ¼ miles away, and the bus doesn’t go anywhere near my place of work.) I’ll echo everyone else in saying that $100/month for a cell is ridiculous for one person.
She needs to start off by writing down every single penny she spends for the next month. I don’t care if it is a $.50 pack of gum, write it down. Put it into a simple spreadsheet, and then tally up each category of expenses. The biggest hidden money-pit for most people is the sum total of small expenses, not the larger bills. Once she accounts for every penny of her income on paper, she’ll be in a position to see what can be eliminated or reduced.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
I’m in the market for car insurance myself right now. I was SHOCKED with how low rates were with AAA. Since my hubby is a member, I decided to give them a call & am SO glad I did. I did not know about Electric Insurance…I will look up a quote later. But as of right now, if we go with AAA over what we currently have, we will save $500/year on 2 cars + condo insurance (WOW!!).
October 30th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
If your insurance is high for the same reason mine was/is (I had, at the worst, 5 major speeding tickets on my 3-year history, plus the car I drive is one of the very worst to insure), remember that you can take a defensive driving course once every five years and that will lower it a teeny bit. You may also be able to get a good student discount (they gave me this discount when I was taking classes EVEN with all my tickets). Also, I know you say you have shopped around, but keep trying. When mine was the most expensive, I shopped around about every six months, and was able to lower it by about $100 each time. Esurance, The General, and Unitrin Direct consistently had the lowest rates when I have checked over the years.
Part of the insurance issue may be credit score, too, so do whatever you can to keep that high and inch it higher.
If you have ANY add-ons on your cell plan that you can get rid of, do it. Friends will understand if you just tell them that you can’t text anymore because you’re trying to save money (and most phone companies will allow you to block them so you can’t accidentally get any).
And lastly, see if your employer will help with tuition. Mine reimburses 50% if I make a C or better, and that is a HUGE help.
Try to remember that your first year or two of working will be the hardest from a money perspective (at least, that is what I keep telling myself, but I’m at the end of year 2 already). And congrats on the cheap rent/utilities (assuming you live in a decent sized city)!
October 30th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I feel your pain. Some suggestions that haven’t been mentioned yet:
When I was an undergraduate (and married - with children for a couple of those years) I never worked fewer than 2 jobs, sometimes 3.
I also spent a lot of time talking to the school’s financial aid adviser - look for scholarships and grants.
Right now my cell phone is part of my mother-in-law’s family plan. I pay $12.00 a month. You might see if you can get on someone else’s plan if you need the phone. I got through college just fine w/o a cell - especially if your apartment includes a phone line.
If you’re sharing space with a roommate - $595 seems awfully high for rent. There’s bound to be cheaper housing around campus. I know that doesn’t help you out of this year’s (semester’s?) contract.
The car insurance is ugly. My wife and I pay less than $600 a YEAR two insure two cars. Do you have a lot of tickets and/or accidents? Do you have comprehensive coverage, and if so, do you HAVE to carry it, or can you get by on liability coverage? If you really can’t get a lower rate, you should look for any means possible to avoid owning a car until you’re out of school and earning more.
I’d definitely take a hard look at other places you’re spending money and see where you can cut back.
Finally, it’s great that you’re trying to keep your borrowing down while you’re in school - but you really shouldn’t be paying off debt while you’re in school, either. There’s a reason student loans don’t go into repayment until after you graduate. Hopefully your grandpa can respect that, too.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Two words: sugar daddy
October 30th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
One other thought - most insurance carriers let you ride on your parents’ or guardians’ insurance policy while you’re in school (at least until a certain age - 25?) Could you do that?
October 30th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Finances were tight in my early twenties too and it was totally frusterating. I was in an entry level job and trying to live on my own and envious of all those that got to afford to go out bar hopping all the time. Luckily my friends were in the same boat as me and we found a lot of cheaper things to do with our time. Things will get better though, I promise!
I finally started to get farther ahead when I moved into a shared house and my rent dropped down by half. I was able to save a lot then. Then I got a better job a year or so after that. Then I got married and we were able to save a lot more.
I wish I could offer more solid advice to her other than I’ve been in her shoes and know exactly what it’s like.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
As a 24 year old young professional who recently graduated from college, I can empathize with you on your current situation. It is tough to maintain a financially responsible lifestyle while wanting to “live” life with our peers. Below are some of the recommendations I have for your current situation:
1. The rent situation sounds awesome, especially if you are currently the only occupant in your home. However, I would suggest getting a room mate at least for a year as they provide the necessary cushion to make it through tough financial times. It is a huge sacrifice to make (I know, I had one for 1.5 years AFTER college) but just remember that it is only temporary.
2. From your car payment being 200/month, I think that is reasonable if you are paying for a reliable car. I hope that the length of the loan is not ridiculously long that you will get in danger of still paying for the car before you have to do any major maintenance on it.
As far as the car insurance go, I would definitely use the power of negotiation to find yourself a better rate (as long as your driving history allows for it). Use the power of the google to shop for local insurance agents in your area as well as look on the online agents and have them compete for your business. I know it is hard to haggle with people (I have this problem myself), but in the long run, you have to realize that this is your financial future you’re dealing with here, you’re going to have to get out of your comfort zone just a little bit in order to grow.
3. In regards to your cell phone, did you check with them to see if they have a employee discount for the employer that you work for? Also, if you do not travel a lot, see if there is a local wireless provider in your city that offers unlimited cell phone and texting for a flat monthly fee. If they do not, you’re going to have to sacrifice a bit and reduce the amount of talking done during peak hours (use those free nights and weekends) :c). Remember, this is not going to be easy, but this will be worth it in the long run.
4. I am unsure of the relationship that you have with your grandfather, but I recommend just having an open dialogue with him to let him know your current financial situation and look to see if he is willing to work with you on repaying the loan either by reducing your payments or suspending them for a short amount of times. I am reading that more banks are following this trend so I’m hoping that family members would be on board with that too.
Overall Christine, you have taken the first step to desire to change your financial situation. Now take the second step and make the decision to change things. It is time to get creative. If you need extra income, use your hobby and become an entrepreneur. If you know how to look after kids, become a babysitter on the weekends. If you like animals, become a dog sitter instead. If you are good at dressing well, become an image consultant for a friend when it is convenient for you. I hate to believe that someone who is capable of going to college and maintaining a job is not capable of going out and creating herself a way to obtain more income.
I hate to seem like I am preaching to you, but I am only telling you these things because I feel like I have been where you’re at and I know that you have the ability to win in your personal finances.
To end, my last statement addresses the comment “How can I manage to have a fulfilling twenty-something life while managing my finances?”. Dave Ramsey said it best when he said “Live like no one else today, so you can live like no one else tomorrow”. I know it is hard to watch your peers seem to be doing so well with houses, cars, new clothes, going to parties, etc, however, all that glitter isn’t gold! You can still have a fulfilling life, however, taking control of your personal finances does require sacrifice. Instead of going out to the movies, sometimes you’re just going to have to have a movie night at your house. Instead of meeting your friends at the bar, sometimes you’re going to have to invite them over for cocktails at your house. Instead of going out to eat, sometimes you’re going to have to cook that gourmet dish yourself. One of my favorites is to have a game night (of cards, Guesstures or Taboo). It provides many memorable moments as well as builds deeper relationships with my friends.
This is not easy, but at the same time, it is not impossible. Believe in yourself and know that you can accomplish anything you work hard at.
P.S. - Lastly, I know you do not have a lot right now, but once you start creating yourself more income, be sure to build your emergency fund up soon too, those come in handy during hard times.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
To give some perspective, I am in my twenties (26), married, and about to have my first child. I make 34K a year.
I bike to work, I never have owned a cell phone, I don’t have any car payments, my wife and I eat on about $200 a month, spend about $60-$100 on gas (two to three tanks a month), save about $300 a month for future expenses (clothes, medical bills, vacations, auto repair, insurance etc.), give away about $200, and spend around $100-$200 on all those little things that pop up each month. We don’t currently pay rent because we moved in with a relative, which helps us out tremendously (we did it to save money to go to grad school next year).
Even though our expenses are relatively low - I think that my wife and I have lots of fun!
We don’t party, we don’t drink, we don’t smoke, we don’t go out clubbing, we don’t have lavish vacations - we just live simple lives that I personally think is full of a lot of meaning.
My inkling with this situation is that what will help this person out the most is a change in perspective and the notion of what will make them happy. I mean from where I sit it appears like they have enough to survive and live off of, it just isn’t providing the type of life style that they want. I recommend that they change the lifestyle that they want if they want their money to meet needs.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
I’m a 20-something, and I recently paid off all my debt. I did it, in part, by refusing to participate the “fulfilling 20-something life” that this woman refers to.
It seems like most people our age define fulfillment as having a nice car, a nice phone,and some spare cash to blow at the bars. That’s reall a load of you-know-what, and the sooner she start to believe that the sooner her situation will improve.
In order to change her money situation, she’ll need to start changing her mindset. Stop looking at “Nice” and nightlife as entitlements. They’re for people who can afford it, and right now, you can’t. A huge chunk of the money you get paid isn’t even yours–it belongs to your lender, your insurer, your landlord, and your grandpa. How fulfilling is that?
And don’t disparage a fun night at home. They can be plenty fun. Start a cooking club, host movie nights, have a game night with friends. . .these are mostly free, and you’ll walk away with more knowledge and improved friendships–pretty fulfilling.
She doesn’t mention havine a budget. That would be step one. She could use google docs to make a simple budget by category (loans, insurance, food, clothes, etc). It’s so hard to get a handle on your money if you don’t know exactly what you have and where it’s all going.
Pretty much everyone agrees that insurance, cell phone and apartment are the items that can be reduced. My $.02:
With the insurance, $200 is really really obscene. Consider going with Progressive or Geico. Their rates are usually reasonable. On the other hand, you could probably make do with much less car and save some serious cash. Sell car, buy a bus pass, save up $300-$500 and buy yourself a grocery-mobile. You could save a ton right there.
With the phone, go down to a bare-bones plan until you can afford the bells and whistles and extra anytime minutes. Or, better yet, cancel your contract and buy a pre-paid cell.
Your rent is a little out of whack as well. You could still have a nice place to live if you and a friend moved into a smallish 2-bedroom. I bet you could spend as much as $200 less per month.
These are just the big ticket items. You can trim down the food and clothes expenses too. Crockpot meals are a great way to stretch a food budget. Shop for clothes in discount stores or at a Goodwill/SVDP.
There are lots of ways you can live a perfectly awesome 20-something life without succumbing to the false notion that you have to have the glitz and glam.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
I am a grad student (male) in Canada so the numbers are in CAN$. I have made mistakes in my life but have been cautious or frugal about my money. I have always spent equal or below my student salary which has been roughly ~1000$/mo. I am graduating soon so I have been getting ~740$. Here are my expenses. A room with 2 other students in an apartment for 375$/mo, internet ~20$, grocery ~150$ (I buy lots of seed, nuts and natural soaps I can even cut this category to 100$ if I buy cheap industrial soaps) and cell phone (no home phone) 38$. I do not have a car; bike in summer and take the bus in the winter (I pay the bus through a university agreement). I do not buy anything brand anymore simply because of chemical they use. (e.g.: Use vinegar as hair softener). I cook food (avoid preservative, sodium, and extra package you pay for) and bake my bread all the time and visit my local farmers market. Drink tea and tap water and never buy coffee. (Coffee is acidic and makes you calcium deficient) I have been in the States and can tell that 100$ for cell phone is astronomical in US. The rates are way much cheaper there compared to Canada. If I want to make a long distance call I use a phone card.
Two credit card with no annual fee. Gold one has zero balance on it and I use it to rent a car if needed. Other one is dividend card and gives 1% cash back still below what I used to get from my CC in states (currently 180$ balance). I would say that the car and insurance is a killer. I did not buy one when I came to Canada simply because of the insurance. I am happy that I did not. I walk 1hr a day these days (bought a pair of shoes for 100$ after checking 4 style and 3 locations- the search saved me almost 50$). I do yoga and borrow my books or videos from library. When I got here the hype of Amazon and eBay got me but I stayed away from it except buying essentials. Lately, I paid a bit over my head for some hobby I found. I am happy that I did since the satisfaction was fulfilling. I guess this comment got long but I am hoping that this helps you.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Jeez, even my iPhone 3G bill is only $82/mo, and that’s only because that’s the lowest option for it.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Can she get a roommate to share expenses?
$100/mo for a cellphone? Ditch all the extras and just keep the phone line. It should reduce the bill by half.
Negotiate with Gramps to pay a bit less - or do what I did with my college loans and petition for a 6-month hiatus from payments and let them resume after that.
DEFINITELY find better car insurance. That’s robbery to pay $200/month unless she’s the worst driver on the planet.
While I admire her attempt to improve herself by taking classes, take a semester off and work a PT job for six months to earn extra income and put it all into savings so she has a cushion when she goes back to taking classes. You save money on tuition AND earn money with the 2nd job for those six months.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
When I was shopping for car insurance Gieco and Progressive were about the same price. Allstate beat them hands down! My price went from $90 to $30. Granted, I owned my car at that point, but I think that it still would have been a big difference if I didn’t have the car paid for. Don’t use the online charts, call them. Sometimes you can get further by actually speaking to a representative and then get only what you need.
My cell phone plan is $45 a month for unlimited everything. I use Cricket. Unfortunately it isn’t available everywhere and you can only use it with in your calling plan (unless you pay for roaming which I do - $5 a month)
I’m single and 29 so I know how tough this is. A roommate is a great idea. But she’s very lucky to live somewhere with utilities included in rent. Having that fixed every month is a blessing. I’m not looking forward to trying to figure out my budget for the winter now that I’ve turned on my furnace.
Does she have any near-by family that she could live with for a year rent free, just until the car or some student loans are paid off? Lots of 20-somethings and even some 30-somethings are still living at home for that reason. Even if she paid a little rent, half of what she pays now. It’d be something.
Good luck!!
October 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Along with everyone else, I also think that auto insurance is really high. Since I got my first car at age 17, it has always cost me approx. $75/mo. I understand that if you’ve had a claim in the last 3 years, you may not be able to switch. But you can still talk to your insurance company about raising your deductibles.
You can usually change your phone plan with the same carrier, if you’re locked into a contract. Mine has always been $45-50/mo. I purposely don’t want extra features so that I don’t get used to them and justify their “necessity”.
Those are the only ideas I have without knowing more. I hope they can be of some help.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I haven’t totally read all the comments above, but I am planning to after I write this one, so I apologize for repeating.
1. Try and see whether within your cellphone plan, you can get rid of extras like call waiting, call display, etc. That’s $5, $10 or more shaved off your bill! Or think about being able to switch the PLAN not the contract to a pay as you go plan
2. I hope she’s cooking at home… it’s all I can say.
3. Ask for reduced payments from your grandfather like $150 instead of $200 a month.
4. Selling to get extra income on the side is a good idea, but without a second job I don’t see how the pinch could be lessened other than cutting back on other parts.
She hasn’t mentioned the total income and the room she has in her budget for fun, she hasn’t mentioned any of the budget for toiletries or makeup, and quite frankly those can have big savings.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
I just finished college, and after my fixed expenses (rent, tuition, internet, groceries) I lived on about $400 a month, and that included going out every weekend, food, and occasional shopping (and I didn’t use credit cards). A lot of people have pointed out that you have around $700 dollars extra each month. That’s a lot for a college student.
I’m with cutting the car, but for other reasons. Without a car, you are less likely to take impulse trips to the grocery store, Target, etc. You are also much less likely to buy anything you can’t carry home. This will save you a ton of money. I can’t even calculate how much money I have saved over the past 4.5 years because I wanted to buy something that I couldn’t get home (usually it was something I didn’t really need). You also cut the expense of gas. It might be worth it to relocate closer to campus.
Get an on-campus work-study type job for at least 5 hours a week. You will spend almost the entire time studying and you will be getting paid for it. I didn’t discover this until my senior year, but it’s brilliant. I was able increase my GPA to 4.0 for the whole year, and it was extra income. Two birds with one stone.
I also agree with getting a roommate, if two people can live in a 10 foot by 14 foot dorm room, then two people can definitely live in an apartment together. It’s tough sometimes, but that’s life.
Having a fulfilling 20-something life was important to me too. Go to happy hour, and don’t drink at bars otherwise, find a guy to buy drinks for you.
Find friends who are also looking to save money, my closest friends were in similar financial situations as I was, and were always looking for ways to save money. Agree to eat dinner together at your apartment or theirs several nights a week. That way you don’t have to cook for yourself everyday, which frees up time for more work, Etsy, babysitting etc.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
“My cell phone plan is high because I got an iPhone as a gift which required me to switch carriers and plans. I’ve reduced to the basic plan they have but it’s still $75/month. ”
I’d sell the iPhone and pocket the money. It was a gift, yes, but if you can’t afford the monthly bills to maintain the gift then it a burden more than a present.
I bought a used Razr for $50 cash, signed up to a pay-as-you-go plan and bought $100 worth of minutes because they don’t expire for a year! I use the cell phone for my business but I don’t anticipate spending more than $200 a year this way.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I’d be interested to see what the rest of her spending looks like, since it seems like she should have at least $500 or $600 left over for food, gas, etc. each month, While that’s not exactly enough to live the high life it should definitely be enough to get by. Is she forgetting health insurance premiums or other items taken out of her paycheck when she lists her monthly bills? I think that the best advice would be for her to carefully track her spending for a few months and see where her money is going. Is she spending more than she realizes on clothes or eating out or going to bars or movies? Is it books or school tuition? Gas and parking? Salon visits? Is she traveling to visit friends a lot? With more information it may become apparent what sort of changes she can make to save money.
Also, having a contract doesn’t always mean you’re totally stuck with the amounts. Call up the cell phone company and negotiate for a lower rate, and drop your data plan (because without a data plan, how are you possibly paying that much?).
With the numbers she’s given us, she should be able to get by, and her problems should be pretty fixable by making use of some of the usual frugality advice. The despairing tone of the question makes me think that there’s either something more to her situation than what she’s put in the letter, or that Christine is in need of an attitude shift about the appropriate lifestyle for a 20-something student.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
As several people have said here there is another $700 or $800 left over after your “set” bills. I’m 31 and having gone thru my 20’s I had individual friends and different groups of friends that wanted me to do different things at different times. I didn’t pick and choose and since I didn’t I was always behind and am paying off several thousand worth of debt for it. I don’t know if this your situation as well but something that worked well for me was something that was mentioned in an article here earlier, using a cash solution. Only carry a certain amount of money that you can use for a week. Even if it’s $150 a week that’s less than the $700 or $800 that isn’t accounted for in the month.
I’ll agree with the insurance paid here, either you have several accidents, speeding tickets, your deductibles are WAY to low or a combination of all three. I’d shop around a bit for insurance and see if you can get a better rate (insurance companies are notoriously competative).
The other thing is the phone, you can probably save a $20 or $40 bucks each month. But if you talk a lot on your phone and you go over even one month that $20 or $40 you saved is gone along with probably paying much more. Look at how much you talk per month, text and send pictures back and forth then talk to your phone company and see if they have a plan for that amount.
The only other thing I’d look at is if your company you currently works for has any discounts. The company I work for has a discount for several phone companies. Good luck!
October 30th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I was just like you. Wanted to live. Wanted a nice car. Had my own apartment.
And I was broke. But I still had fun, I just didn’t spend as much money having fun.
Go out, but don’t drink as much. Eat out, but at cheaper places, etc.
My 20’s were some of the best times of my life and I was flat broke in school (Grad) for most of it.
I look back fondly at age 24, being broke with few responsibilitis. It molds you into who you will become.
Enjoy it. But remember…enjoyment doesn’t have to cost alot of money.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Christine, this sucks, but you need to give up the iPhone for now. You can get by on AT&T’s GoPhone prepaid Pick Your Plan (basically identical to a regular plan, except you pay in advance each month) for the minimum plan (~$33/mo., a little hard if you do use the phone regularly) or the next tier up (~$45/mo., with extra nights and weekends). The el cheapo phone you will get will make you weep in comparison with the iPhone. Doesn’t matter. If you value making breathing room in your budget, you need to realize that you’re carrying a luxury in there in the form of the iPhone. Even if you were to go nuts and spend $200 buying a good phone to use with the prepaid plan, switching to prepaid service would save you nearly $600 over the course of a year.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
If Tom’s excellent suggestion of finding a sugar daddy falls through, you can supplement your income by bidding on freelance projects through Elance. I don’t know what your skills are, but categories include graphic design, copy writing, marketing, legal, admin, financial, sales, and more. You might find something you could fit into your schedule (lunch hour at work, maybe). The site’s Elance.com.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Definitely fix the car insurance. If you are eligible, join USAA and get your insurance through them, uber-cheap. Trim the phone plan when you can. Eat at home and bag your lunch. Renegotiate with gramps. Turn off your lights when you’re not in the room, etc. If you’re not squeamish, you could donate plasma. There’s usually one somewhere in college towns. I make over $200 a month doing that. And pretty much don’t buy anything new if you can find something just as serviceable used. Or better yet, free.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I feel her pain and am also in my mid 20’s. I am married with two kids and am in much the same boat. Most of my issues are due to unexpected medical bills this year which have eaten away at any extra income. I do agree with the car insurance and phone. You should be able to get a phone for cheaper than 100$ a month. The only issue there is how much you talk. For 100$ you can get an everything plan from most providers…but people seldom need such a plan. In regards to car insurance, I shop around all the time. Currently I am with AIG and even after a year of shopping around they are still cheaper. I would give them a try if possible. I know things differ from person to person, but the littlest things do help. Also, while 20$ may not sound like a lot, it is amazing what an extra 20-50-100$ a month can do!
October 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
I gotta say, the number one problem here is the car. You’d have SO much more money if you hadn’t bought a 2007 model. That said, you can’t really do much about it now, other than maybe cut back to just liability insurance (although, with a new car, I can understand keeping something a bit more comprehensive…). Let this be a lesson for the future - don’t buy new cars if you can’t afford them!
October 30th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I agree with many of the suggestions so far (and we’ve been there, too, hang in there).
One additional area Christine may explore to increase monthly cash flow would be to review her W-4 — if she’s paying tuition as she goes she may be able to deduct those expenses on taxes this year, and she may be overwithholding as a result. Don’t wait for a big refund next year, you need the cash now! The IRS has a withholding calculator on its website (just search “withholding calculator” and it should come up).
October 30th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Christine - Early this year, I wrote an article for JD on getting my food budget under control. (JD can probably find it better than I can.) That came out of tracking my expenses down to the last dollar using Mint.com and realizing that the biggest factor I could control was my spending on food, which at one point peaked at $400-500/month. Using advice from my grandparents, I worked hard to get that down to under $100.
I’m working on a 2.0 article for JD on how I’ve kept it there. It’s not as hard as you think.
J.D. says: Here’s Karl’s article about groceries on a budget.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
To reduce health insurance costs, try eHealthInsurance.com and look for a plan with a high deductible. Being a healthy 24 year old myself, I got a basic health and dental insurance plan from them all for about $87(I can reduce it to about $77 once I stop taking a certain acne medication).
To reduce cell phone costs, try Tracfone or T-Mobile Prepaid. If you buy minutes from them wisely, your costs can be as low as 10 cents a minute. If you talk for 4 hours a month, the cost will only be $24. (Hint: use RetailMeNot.com to find coupon codes for Tracfone’s website if you order your minutes online)
I hope these tips are helpful. Best wishes to you, Christine.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
A few school-related ideas that I don’t *think* were presented above:
Set aside an hour or so a week to apply for scholarships, specifically. Every week, find at least one thing new. Apply even for the long shots. Talk to your school, your department, everybody you know. My SO, who is a graduate student, recently got 75% of his tuition covered because he ran for a student senate seat that nobody else even wanted, and it turned out to come with a scholarship. The key comes in continually looking, not just checking once or twice a year.
If the degree is *seriously* going to increase your income–and you have a really good reason to believe that, not just wishful thinking–then consider taking out student loans, cutting back your work hours, and finishing faster. Dave Ramsey fans will grumble but it makes no sense to struggle for twenty years to get through undergrad and law school, say, if you can just take out the loans and get the six-figure job in a third of that time.
On the other hand, if your future job prospects with degree aren’t that much better than your $33k/year (and be reasonable, I have a graduate degree and I’m in that same income bracket) then maybe you might consider taking a semester off here and there to let your finances recover in between. If there’s any question at all of whether your degree field is the one you *really*, *absolutely* want to be in, it might even be a good idea to just stop until you have a firm goal in mind. I’m not saying this applies to you, but I know there are a lot of somewhat aimless part-time students out there. Don’t let school become such a holy grail that you let it drain your finances to near-breaking every single month if you’re not sure that you’re going to get something out of it in the end.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Hi Christine,
I’m glad to read that you have made changes to your insurance and phone plan.
I know the iPhone is lovely and everything, but you might consider downgrading further and getting a different phone, and sell the iPhone for extra cash.
Have you looked into scholarships or grants for school tuition and books? I think that was my biggest mistake when I was going to undergrad. I took out student loans instead of trying to get scholarships and grants because I thought it took to much time. End the end I had $80,000 worth of student loan debt and it has ended up being a struggle for me to payoff my loans now in my late 20’s.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Wow, people don’t read before posting comments, do they?
I’d say that covering variable expenses like food, gas, etc. on $300 a month is pretty darn good.
I’ve been in a similar situation to you, Christine, as I went back to school full-time at age 25, while working 30 hours a week. (I see that you work full-time while taking part-time classes.)
The advice I have for you is that you may have to accept living a little less of the ‘fulfilling twenty-something life’ until after you graduate. It’s next year, which isn’t really that far away. Keep positive, keep reminding yourself that it only has to be like this for a little bit longer. You can do it. You’ve made it this far, and now even have a little more breathing room, thanks to simply asking for help.
Good luck!
October 30th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
I am 24 and make $35K/year (just got a raise from 32.6 to 35) and after all my expenses (and trying to pay off LOTS of cc debt) I leave myself $400/month ($100/wk) for food, entertainment, clothing…ect. It’s hard at first -but after a few weeks its EASY living on $100/wk! Everything else (as of now) goes to bills and the credit card company.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I haven’t read all the posts, but I did want to chime in and recommend you consider roommates once your lease is up (assuming you have one).
Also, be open to living with roommates for a while - I’ve been out of college for 15 years now, and have only lived alone for 5 of those 15 years (a couple of years in the middle, and the last three). I saved a ton of money with roommates - my last place in Portland cost me $350/month for a huge living space in a great location.
I think too many people associate “growing up” with “must have own place” and it results in a lot of needlessly high fixed expenses. Your rent right now isn’t bad, but what if you could cut it in half by sharing?
October 30th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Again- Im 24 (no accidents/tickets- have a two door 2003 Grand Am- they consider that a “sports car” - so more expensive insurance). I was at State Farm and my insurance was $140/month. I just switched to Progessive for $118/month.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
As some people have mentioned, it appears like Christine does have a little discretionary income left over after paying all her bills. Perhaps $200-300 a month after tuition and whatnot?
What really helps me manage my discretionary income is writing down all my spending. I use a credit card to flex the rewards and help me keep track of what I’m doing. But I find the act of putting something into a book has really helped me reduce my spending. I don’t impulse buy because I don’t like to look at my list and say “hmmm, trips to McD’s, JCPenney, etc.” It just doesn’t look good when one is on a fixed income.
This might be useful to Christine in terms of buckling down for a few months to put away a little something in a savings account.
Another possibility is that she can give herself a set allowance in cash (over her fixed expenses) and stick to that alone. This can also help curtail expenditures.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
I agree - sell the iPhone and buy a cheap phone until you can afford to pay for what is basically an expensive toy.
Get back to basics.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
A few thoughts:
* Can Christine take out student loans for grad school? That would allow her to pay later.
* I agree; move in with parents if at all possible/feasible. Odds are you can get out of your lease if you are upfront about your situation.
* Ditch the iPhone. You might offend the person who gave it to you, but frankly that person should have known better. I’d bet you can find someone happy to take it and continue to pay the bills (for their usage of it). Of course, since you still have the contract w/ AT&T you have to be careful with who gets it. If the only problem with returning the iPhone is paying (roughly) a $75 fee, its worthwhile even if it leaves you without a phone.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
I make almost exactly the same amount ($32.4k/year) and have almost exactly the same level of expenses ($1280/month). I live quite comfortably on that amount, and save $1300-1400/month (I’m an independent contractor so I have no withholding).
Honesty, while Christine could certainly cut her costs even further (something I can’t do in my own situation), there doesn’t seem to be ANY reason for her to worry. Even after additional expenses like food, gas, etc, I’d be surprised if she can’t easily save $500-600/month.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
I don’t know where you all live, but in a lot of places $595/month is an absolute steal for rent, utilities, and internet in a room of your own.
I caution against getting a roommate as a money-saving strategy. The problem with getting a roommate is that pretty much any lease you sign will make you jointly and severally liable for the rent. That means if your roommate decides to flake out on you, you’re stuck with the full amount of the rent payment, plus any utilities that are in your name. I have more than once seen people lose THOUSANDS of dollars to deadbeat roommates with little to no legal recourse. In one case, the sleazeball roommate actually STOLE the person’s mail so they wouldn’t see the late payment notices. You think it will not happen to you, but it can. Be careful.
No offense to the person who generously gifted Christine with an iPhone, but cell phones (especially the iPhone) are just about the worst gift imaginable. “Happy birthday! Here’s a huge monthly service fee for you to pay!” Depending on how far along Christine is in her contract, it may be worth the early termination fee ($175, right?) to cancel now and get a phone that’s eligible for a cheaper plan. It will hurt, but it may well be worth it.
I’m also curious about what Christine’s other expenses are.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
The holidays are also a good time to make some extra cash. Despite the crunch, stores will still be hiring outside your normal job hours of 9-5 and weekends. Taking on a second job while school has vacation could be the way to go if you’ll be in town. If you’re going home, then enlist the parents/friend to send you info about stores that are hiring at home.
Sure you can save money but at $33k a year pre-taxes, you better learn how to make money…
Getting a roommate or subletting if you’re ever away seems to be a prudent financial move. If you can move into a different apartment (perhaps same complex) and split the costs with a roommate, then you’d be saving a bit of cash. Another idea is to find a roomie who needs a place to sleep on weekdays only. Frequent commuters who have a place a bit further away (or a lot far away) may be interested in sharing your space since they’re only there during the work week. Or if you can find someone who works a different schedule, like nurses on the night shift or a flight attendant, you might not even see each other.
Lastly, life as a twenty-something at early twenties can be a lot different from mid and late. Just because you’re twenty something doesn’t mean you should embrace frivolity or think you’ve got a lot of time to fix things. If you’re nearing the middle to end of the twenties and still in undergrad, it is time to finish up that degree before employers question your competence. If you’re in the low end of twenties, still do your best to wrap up your financially intelligent major (”will you make enough money to support yourself when you graduate”-major) and make your next move. Unless you’re getting paid to be one, “Student” shouldn’t be a never-ending job title.
You may want the lifestyle, but nothing says “20’s something on the move!” like a 20’s something who knows what they want and finishes college in 3 or 4 years so they can get out there and do it.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
$220/month car insurance is too much for someone who doesn’t drive much. If you really don’t want to sell the car, park it somewhere safe for a few months and cancel the insurance. Once you have caught up on some savings, you can reinsure it.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
I haven’t read all of the comments because we’re about to go run some errands, but…
1. Sell the car. Buy an older, probably ugly car that will run for a while. I have been driving my Jeep (which I bought for 1000 cash in college) for 5.5 years now. It’s cost me a total of about 5,000 when you include all preventative maintenance and repairs.
And I’m not positive what my insurance on that particular car is, but for 3 cars, my husband and I pay less than $100/month.
There is no reason for your transportation to cost you 400/month.
2. Get a roommate. It might not be fun, but it would definitely reduce your expenses. I chose not to when I was living alone after college before I got married, but looking back… I realize I could’ve saved a ton of money by living with someone, even just for one year.
3. Even so… if you’re making 30K a year, that’s about 2500 a month. After subtracting your fixed expenses, I am left with 1200 dollars a month. How is that not enough? Take a look at your budget.
My husband and I are 24/25 and “bring home” about 2300/month (though our rent is paid for by the Navy). That is NOT much… but through careful budgeting, we’re able to pay 800/month (and soon we’re upping the payment to 1100/month) on the one loan we have.
We’ll be totally debt free before June of next year. We paid for our wedding with money we had saved, about 6 months ago we wrote a $17,000 check to pay off my student loan, and this last one we’re finishing paying off was a $25,000 loan…
We got our priorities in order and stuck to our plan in order to get where we are now. And soon we’ll be saving for our next car (a “baby car” with 4 doors, since our cars all have 2 doors) and a house downpayment.
One thing you have to get over is any feeling of entitlement you may have. You’re not entitled to live alone (though you might decide, like I did, that it’s worth making other sacrifices for). You’re not entitled to drive a new car. You’re not entitled to have unlimited minutes/text/web/etc on your cell phone… You have to do without to get to the point where you can afford these things.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
DollarDream$ wrote: How can anybody (specially 20 somethings) live without a cell phone today?
On the phone - once your contract ends, consider a cheap cell phone plan with no contract (ours is just over $30 from ATT) and VOIP ($25 per month, plus less than $100 up front for some special equipment) to cut your entire monthly bill down to $55 / month, with free long distance from both phones. This also allows you to take your time deciding if you really need a cell phone at all. Cutting your phone bill to $25 a month would pay back the cost of the VOIP equipment in two months, then save you $50 a month from there on out.
You might look into carpooling to work. If you drive the carpool, you can ask for a little gas money - 1/3 to 1/2 your commute costs. If you ride, you will save insurance (since you will drive less in your car), gas, and car wear-and-tear.
Consider moving somewhere based on buslines to both school and work when your lease ends.
Consider moving into a house with a group of friends when your lease ends - everyone rents a room and shares the kitchen, living room, bathrooms, garage, etc.
You are probably already buying any books you can used; don’t forget to check online for independent sellers. Just make sure you get the correct editions!
I also recommend either buying clothing second-hand, or swapping with friends when you get tired of your “old” stuff. My sister and I are always swapping clothing; some items have switched hands three or four times, since a couple of years later that “tired old shirt” looks “good as new” again.
For food, consider using more rice, beans, potatoes, and produce while reducing meat and dairy. For most people, this will even result in a healthier diet.
The money you are already saving by cutting to the basic plan on your phone and fixing your car insurance should get you nicely started on your nest egg as it is. Don’t feel guilty if you don’t feel “called” to practice frugality beyond this. Although, since you mentioned using coupons, I am guessing you are not adverse to saving a dollar with a little extra effort.
Congrats, and a great question for this site!
October 30th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Yeah, I agree with ditching the iphone for now… That in itself is probably costing you 50 dollars more a month = 600 dollars in a year.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
When it comes to personal finance, much of the discussions center around the expense column, yet very little attention is given to the top line. I didn’t read all the comments, but from the ones I scanned through, nobody is really talking about making more money. At 24, she should concentrate on raising the top line as much as she is watching her expense.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
1) dump the iphone
2) sell the car if possible and downgrade
3) track your budget and cut back on all your discretionary / frivilous spending.
Sell the iphone. If you can switch to a cheaper phone with AT&T on a standard $40-50 a month plan with the same contract then do so. If you cant switch from the iphone to another phone then terminate the AT&T contract and get another contract with a freebie phone.
If theres any equity in your car then consider selling it and buying a cheap used car. That will save you $200 a month in payments plus allow you to reduce your car insurance to liability only, which would probably cut your insurance in half.
If you’re struggling to make ends meet then an iphone and a new car are luxuries you can’t afford.
It also seems that the rest of your non fixed budget spending might need cutting back. Maybe theres other bills we’re not seeing but it seems given the income and the fixed bills that there may be a lot of fat to cut. Start by tracking all your spending for a month and account for every dollar spent. Then look at what you’re spending on things like eating out, starbucks coffee, entertainment, going out for drinks, buying DVDs, new clothes, etc, all the stuff you ‘want’ rahter than ‘need’. Once you’ve figured out how much you spend on those categories then look for areas to cut back. Bag your lunch and eat at home, rent movies instead of going to the theatre, make due with your current wardrobe for a while, etc.
Jim
October 30th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
I don’t know if there is enough context here - is $595 a great deal for a safe, clean one bedroom in your area, or do you know you could do better on a comparable place? How much would dropping down to a studio or a roommate situation save you? If you are in a large building, you might be able to switch to another unit mid-lease. You might also be able to sublet, depending on your landlord, or bring your landlord someone to take over your lease. If it means saving $100 a month but downgrading to a dangerous area, that might not be a great idea compared to other changes you can make. It is all relative.
You said “I frequently use my car for work, although I take the bus whenever I can so I drive very little.” Well, which is it? Frequently or very little? Are you rationalizing keeping the car, or that particular car? Depending on the current value of your car, there’s always selling it and getting one a few years older. Some brands are known for reliability, and you could use Consumer Reports to get that info. Definitely figure out the insurance thing. Keep looking! Don’t be afraid to call places and say “place X will do this for me, can you beat that?” Your school’s alumni organization may have a discount with a particular place. Your workplace might as well.
Maybe you could investigate freezing your cell contract for a few months if the termination fee is ridiculous. Although I think people make a good point that the termination fee will probably pay for itself after a few months. Sell the iPhone if you dump the contract. I know it was a gift, but a gift that requires a constant diet of money is ultimately an imposition. By the time you are ready to pay iPhone prices again, a much cooler one will be out anyway!
i also agree with advice to track every single penny of spending for at least a month if you haven’t already been doing this.
Definitely make sure you are not over-withholding on your W-4.
You mention that you don’t find advice on economies of scale relevant, and I absolutely agree for a person living alone, but if you have family nearby or friends in the same boat, there is no saying you can’t split Costco monstrosity packs with them. We do that with my in-laws.
You also said that advice to plan quiet nights at home does not apply. Well, this is where attitude adjustment comes in, unfortunately. More and more of your friends are going to be finding themselves pinched, if not out of jobs, in the coming months, so you will not be alone. Sometimes all it takes is one person in a group of friends saying “You know, I’m short on cash. Let’s split a bottle of wine at home instead of going out.” Several times I have seen people breathe a sigh of relief and admit “Me too!”
Or do you mean that you already do all nights at home? People might be able to help you more if you posted an entire budget, including any discretionary stuff.
Good luck– at least you are thinking about this stuff now. So many people don’t, and then they hit 30 with a crushing load of consumer debt. Do your best, and keep your eyes open for opportunities. Definitely ask for a raise. It won’t hurt.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
in my experience, in your 20s you just do all you can to keep making ends meet with minimal debt, until you graduate and qualify for one of those “real” jobs. hi, my name is leigh, i’m 26, and i have practically lived at universities for 8.5 years.
what exactly do you have in mind for a “fulfilling life” in your 20s? what do you envision yourself doing? are you witnessing your friends living high and mighty (probably on debt they can’t really afford) and feeling like you’re not enjoying life enough? there has to be an underlying cause to your lack of feeling fulfilled.
i had friends who got thousands from their parents and in laws to lavishly furnish their house, buy a new car, and put a down payment on a home. i felt horrible that people my age were doing all these things and i couldn’t afford to. but when i realized that they weren’t really doing this, it wasn’t their success and they were up to their ears in their own debt and controlled by their parents… and some other events happened in my own life… i realized happiness is not about money.
happiness is knowing you’re on your OWN path and it’s the right one. once you reach that point, NOBODY can take you down. getting to that point is also part of your 20s. good luck!
October 30th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
I am glad she changed her insurance, because it was definitely too high. My husband and I pay $165 for 5 months out of six and then start the cycle over again.
I have a prepaid cellphone and figure that for two phones, we are paying about $10 a month. True, we don’t use it constantly and perhaps she would, but it has been a blessing for us. True, it has few features (no camera, etc) but I don’t need that stuff. My husband, however, covets an iPhone so I understand the desire to have a shiny gadget.
I’m about to try negotiating lower prices for a few of our bills (I think my internet and landline phone has gotten too high and am planning on calling next week to see if there is a better plan). It can take awhile, but it is worth it to find ways to reduce our expenses.
I know that when I was her age, one of the biggest mistakes I made was eating out too much. If I had it to do over, I would cook more often and work on reducing expenses and bringing in more money (selling clutter on eBay or having a small side business are two things we did in our 20s–even while in school and working). Even though she doesn’t seem to be spending too much on food, she may be able to cut back a little on some of the small expenses which can help the rest.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Hmmm…. Those who agree with Christine that a roommate is to be avoided if at all possible are probably right. My son has a roommate — both young men are 30. It is good that the roommate provides an extra $400 a month and gets pretty darned nice lodging for that, which is about a third to half of what he’d pay for a decent apartment. But let’s face it: even though they’re lifelong friends and they get along well, they do get on each others’ nerves…throw in a girlfriend, and sha-ZAM, now you’ve got three people in the dwelling, not just two. And one of ‘em isn’t paying rent.
It IS a lifestyle issue; Christine should definitely try other strategies first. Getting the car insurance down is a big coup.
Is there a credit union that you’re eligible for? As a student, you may be eligible for a state teacher’s credit union, or if you’re attending a public college, you may be eligible for the state employees’ credit union. Or if you have any relatives who bank at a credit union, they should be able to get you in.
Credit unions generally offer MUCH better terms on car loans than you can get elsewhere. It might be worth asking if you can refinance the car loan through a credit union, possibly bringing that bill down a bit.
What kind of work can you do? You realize that many universities and colleges give a tuition waiver as an employee perq… At the Great Desert University, a 50% FTE employee qualifies for the waiver. Find out if anything like that applies where you’re going to school, and if it does and your school doesn’t have a hiring freeze on (not uncommon just now), watch the human resources website. Apply for every job that you think you can do. If you’re actually paying $500/month for tuition and books, then a transfer to a university job paying about what you now earn would amount to a de facto raise in the amount of the waived tuition.
Don’t buy books. Get them out of the library. Many faculty members put their textbooks on a limited checkout basis, so students can get access to them and no one can take out the book and keep it out all semester.