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	<title>Comments on: The GRS Garden Project: October Update</title>
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		<title>By: Lissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just catching up on this project, and I&#039;ve been very intrigued.  Thank you for doing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just catching up on this project, and I&#8217;ve been very intrigued.  Thank you for doing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad to read the summary for the year. I&#039;ve been really anxiously waiting to see if it would &#039;pay off&#039; for you. I live in Colorado and have had this perenial guilt about not growing a garden. I was very curious as to how your costs would measure up - especially since for me to grow a garden here - most costs as well as labor would be significantly higher. To me - 5.34 an hour is decidedly not worth the effort, and since I would expect my water costs to probably double the fixed costs, 2.68ish an hour is even more not worth it :) I applaud you for your efforts and understand that your vegetables are most likely much better than anything I buy at the grocery store, but I&#039;m now completely free of any guilt, or any notions that a garden would be better for my bottom line. thanks - love the blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad to read the summary for the year. I&#8217;ve been really anxiously waiting to see if it would &#8216;pay off&#8217; for you. I live in Colorado and have had this perenial guilt about not growing a garden. I was very curious as to how your costs would measure up &#8211; especially since for me to grow a garden here &#8211; most costs as well as labor would be significantly higher. To me &#8211; 5.34 an hour is decidedly not worth the effort, and since I would expect my water costs to probably double the fixed costs, 2.68ish an hour is even more not worth it <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I applaud you for your efforts and understand that your vegetables are most likely much better than anything I buy at the grocery store, but I&#8217;m now completely free of any guilt, or any notions that a garden would be better for my bottom line. thanks &#8211; love the blog</p>
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		<title>By: ~M</title>
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		<dc:creator>~M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not an experienced gardener by any means... and I am not patient in the least bit.  I like to do the &quot;simple&quot; fruits and vegetables that require less work and produce throughout the season. 

For instance: zucchini, tomatoes (Roma &amp; other varieties), greenbeans, soybeans(edemame (sp?)) in several batches throughout the season, strawberries and red raspberries.  Everything can be started as as seeds in mid-April under a grow lamp in the closet.  .

Next year, we will be planting 3 year concord &amp; niagara grapes, and possibly a blackberry bush or two. 

As I look outside, it is snowing.  I am dreaming of Spring already, and this is our first week of snow! :-)

~M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not an experienced gardener by any means&#8230; and I am not patient in the least bit.  I like to do the &#8220;simple&#8221; fruits and vegetables that require less work and produce throughout the season. </p>
<p>For instance: zucchini, tomatoes (Roma &amp; other varieties), greenbeans, soybeans(edemame (sp?)) in several batches throughout the season, strawberries and red raspberries.  Everything can be started as as seeds in mid-April under a grow lamp in the closet.  .</p>
<p>Next year, we will be planting 3 year concord &amp; niagara grapes, and possibly a blackberry bush or two. </p>
<p>As I look outside, it is snowing.  I am dreaming of Spring already, and this is our first week of snow! <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>~M</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Chris de Vidal:  My grandparents introduced me to Dr. Mittleider when I was growing up.  It really does work.  My grandfather pulled out I would guess somewhere around 2-300 pounds of tomatotes from a 5x5 plot with only 15-16 plants.  The larger tomatoes weighed in at a wopping 4-5lbs and were big enough to make at least 4-5 nice size tomatoe sandwiches.  It was quite impressive.  And the planter was on a paved backyard by a pool.  6&quot; deep.  He had another that was only 2x5 that he used for zucchini and we could not eat the stuff fast enough.  

I have since used it here in North Carolina and it really does work.  It allows me to grow more in less space which is really really nice.

Definitly worth looking into if you are looking for ways to increase yield out of a container garden.  For my family I can plant just 2 tomatoe plants to keep us going all summer.  

I have really enjoyed these posts as I have always wondered how much I really do save.  I think I need to hit up some herbs too.  

Keep the posts coming...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Chris de Vidal:  My grandparents introduced me to Dr. Mittleider when I was growing up.  It really does work.  My grandfather pulled out I would guess somewhere around 2-300 pounds of tomatotes from a 5&#215;5 plot with only 15-16 plants.  The larger tomatoes weighed in at a wopping 4-5lbs and were big enough to make at least 4-5 nice size tomatoe sandwiches.  It was quite impressive.  And the planter was on a paved backyard by a pool.  6&#8243; deep.  He had another that was only 2&#215;5 that he used for zucchini and we could not eat the stuff fast enough.  </p>
<p>I have since used it here in North Carolina and it really does work.  It allows me to grow more in less space which is really really nice.</p>
<p>Definitly worth looking into if you are looking for ways to increase yield out of a container garden.  For my family I can plant just 2 tomatoe plants to keep us going all summer.  </p>
<p>I have really enjoyed these posts as I have always wondered how much I really do save.  I think I need to hit up some herbs too.  </p>
<p>Keep the posts coming&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve really enjoyed reading your updates now and again.  I live on a small city lot in So. Cal - 5227 sq feet.  So your garden seems large - but I grew up on an acre - in that respect, it seems just right.

We don&#039;t do any gardening currently, but I do have plans to do square-foot gardening.  Step 1: start composting.  Step 2: build two small square-foot plots, and build from there.  Step 3: consider planting an avocado tree.

Hopefully I can get motivated to DO it.  With lots of projects around the house, a part-time job, and a 2-year old, it&#039;s tough.  

Now I have to go google the &quot;quick no-knead bread&quot; recipe that someone else mentioned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve really enjoyed reading your updates now and again.  I live on a small city lot in So. Cal &#8211; 5227 sq feet.  So your garden seems large &#8211; but I grew up on an acre &#8211; in that respect, it seems just right.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t do any gardening currently, but I do have plans to do square-foot gardening.  Step 1: start composting.  Step 2: build two small square-foot plots, and build from there.  Step 3: consider planting an avocado tree.</p>
<p>Hopefully I can get motivated to DO it.  With lots of projects around the house, a part-time job, and a 2-year old, it&#8217;s tough.  </p>
<p>Now I have to go google the &#8220;quick no-knead bread&#8221; recipe that someone else mentioned&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Accountability</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/11/02/the-grs-garden-project-october-update/comment-page-1/#comment-155410</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Accountability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been a fascinating series. I hope you continue it next year; I love reading about your progress! In Arizona, we&#039;re just getting started with gardening as our mild winters are the most prolific time of year. Check into Pinetree Seeds for your seeds. http://www.superseeds.com  Inexpensive, and the shipping costs are good. Very economical, my FAVORITE seed catalog. I just love looking over the descriptions and pictures from Pinetree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been a fascinating series. I hope you continue it next year; I love reading about your progress! In Arizona, we&#8217;re just getting started with gardening as our mild winters are the most prolific time of year. Check into Pinetree Seeds for your seeds. <a href="http://www.superseeds.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.superseeds.com</a>  Inexpensive, and the shipping costs are good. Very economical, my FAVORITE seed catalog. I just love looking over the descriptions and pictures from Pinetree.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Props to you for gardening.  My first attempt in the Georgia clay failed for the most part this year, although I did discover that hot peppers, rose mary, and oregeno thrive without any attention, even water during a drought.

I&#039;ll keep adjusting my garden menu to find what works, then buy the rest fresh from road side vendors.  The best of both worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Props to you for gardening.  My first attempt in the Georgia clay failed for the most part this year, although I did discover that hot peppers, rose mary, and oregeno thrive without any attention, even water during a drought.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep adjusting my garden menu to find what works, then buy the rest fresh from road side vendors.  The best of both worlds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, net of expenses it was really a bit more than $5.34/hour, still, being &quot;paid&quot; any amount to do something you enjoy just doubles the fun in my experience :)

Have a look at &quot;Square foot gardening&quot; if you are interested in increasing your yields in small spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, net of expenses it was really a bit more than $5.34/hour, still, being &#8220;paid&#8221; any amount to do something you enjoy just doubles the fun in my experience <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Have a look at &#8220;Square foot gardening&#8221; if you are interested in increasing your yields in small spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neat - you made about $11.20 an hour doing something you love!  Viewed from the perspective of earning money / frugality, that&#039;s better than some things and worse than others.  I would struggle to save as much money per hour by clipping coupons and looking for good sales.  Viewed from the &quot;job&quot; perspective, that&#039;s a pretty lousy income.  Viewed from the hobby / having fun perspective, that&#039;s a great value!

I did one garden patch too late in the year to get anything out of it this year, but I got the experience to try again next year.  Next year I&#039;m planting tomatoes, peppers, onions, and maybe garlic and basil (depending on how space works out) in the small patch outside our kitchen window, plus I&#039;m putting squash and a potato pile in the back corner of our property.  We might also prepare our front yard to be turned into a garden next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neat &#8211; you made about $11.20 an hour doing something you love!  Viewed from the perspective of earning money / frugality, that&#8217;s better than some things and worse than others.  I would struggle to save as much money per hour by clipping coupons and looking for good sales.  Viewed from the &#8220;job&#8221; perspective, that&#8217;s a pretty lousy income.  Viewed from the hobby / having fun perspective, that&#8217;s a great value!</p>
<p>I did one garden patch too late in the year to get anything out of it this year, but I got the experience to try again next year.  Next year I&#8217;m planting tomatoes, peppers, onions, and maybe garlic and basil (depending on how space works out) in the small patch outside our kitchen window, plus I&#8217;m putting squash and a potato pile in the back corner of our property.  We might also prepare our front yard to be turned into a garden next year.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ther are a lot of &#039;small space gardening&#039; tricks that you can use to reduce the amount of &#039;bad&#039; and increase &#039;good&#039; things (even yields) that go on in a typical garden. Intercropping, companion planting, container gardening, vertical gardening, succession planting, year round gardening and so much more. I have a very small space that I use for growing vegetables and will usually plant a low growing plant with a medium hight or vining plant and a tall growning plant in the same bed at almost the same time. For example (this is a native american trick I learned from another blog - I wish I could remember the url cuz I would deffinately share it!) I plant a corn variety pack (with different maturity dates) first and when they are mature enough and the soil has warmed enough, the beans and the squash go in (I usually plant my jack-o-lanterns here). I don&#039;t plant them like I would if they were growing all by themselves because that is asking for trouble, I reduce the number of plants for each type so they get enough sunlight and air circulation. You might try it and see if it works for you... Same with Tomatoes and Carrots, if I didn&#039;t have the carrots growing in between the tomatoes, I wouldn&#039;t get any carrots because I don&#039;t have enough space to dedicate to just carrots when other vegies have a more important roll for my family. This has allowed me to grow things that my family has never tried before (like purple carrots - yummm) and still have all the things we know we like. I even got my kids to like certain vegies out of the garden that they swore they hated when it came from a can or frozen in a bag or even from the produce section at the grocery store!
Happy gardening!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ther are a lot of &#8216;small space gardening&#8217; tricks that you can use to reduce the amount of &#8216;bad&#8217; and increase &#8216;good&#8217; things (even yields) that go on in a typical garden. Intercropping, companion planting, container gardening, vertical gardening, succession planting, year round gardening and so much more. I have a very small space that I use for growing vegetables and will usually plant a low growing plant with a medium hight or vining plant and a tall growning plant in the same bed at almost the same time. For example (this is a native american trick I learned from another blog &#8211; I wish I could remember the url cuz I would deffinately share it!) I plant a corn variety pack (with different maturity dates) first and when they are mature enough and the soil has warmed enough, the beans and the squash go in (I usually plant my jack-o-lanterns here). I don&#8217;t plant them like I would if they were growing all by themselves because that is asking for trouble, I reduce the number of plants for each type so they get enough sunlight and air circulation. You might try it and see if it works for you&#8230; Same with Tomatoes and Carrots, if I didn&#8217;t have the carrots growing in between the tomatoes, I wouldn&#8217;t get any carrots because I don&#8217;t have enough space to dedicate to just carrots when other vegies have a more important roll for my family. This has allowed me to grow things that my family has never tried before (like purple carrots &#8211; yummm) and still have all the things we know we like. I even got my kids to like certain vegies out of the garden that they swore they hated when it came from a can or frozen in a bag or even from the produce section at the grocery store!<br />
Happy gardening!</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To everyone with small yards:  there are so many ways to sneak vegetables into your landscape.  We&#039;ve got about 0.14 acres, and have a house, garage, driveway and patio taking up 60%-ish of the space.  The back yard (North side of the house) gets little sun and is on a hill so planting veggies is a challenge.  We address that by having our fruit trees (peach, lemon, and lime) on the hillside and have a 10&#039; x 20&#039; plot back there that gets full sun for 3 months and partial for another 3 and that&#039;s all we can do in the traditional garden areas.  However, we&#039;ve got perennial herbs along the front walk, containers on the patio get planted with vegetables rather than annuals for color (eggplants have the prettiest flowers!), and the front yard is slowly being converted to vegetables, too.  

At first I was wary about the response from neighbors to winter squash in my flower bed last year, but I got so many positive comments that I planted another corner with corn this year and grew onions and garlic in the first flower bed.  For next year I&#039;m considering removing the front lawn (about 10&#039; x 10&#039;) and planting tomatoes and peppers.  Some neighbors have asked if I&#039;m worried about people stealing the produce, but it hasn&#039;t happened yet.

By continuing to expand into every available bit of dirt and sunlight, I&#039;m hoping that within 2 years I&#039;ll be growing at least half of our produce for the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everyone with small yards:  there are so many ways to sneak vegetables into your landscape.  We&#8217;ve got about 0.14 acres, and have a house, garage, driveway and patio taking up 60%-ish of the space.  The back yard (North side of the house) gets little sun and is on a hill so planting veggies is a challenge.  We address that by having our fruit trees (peach, lemon, and lime) on the hillside and have a 10&#8242; x 20&#8242; plot back there that gets full sun for 3 months and partial for another 3 and that&#8217;s all we can do in the traditional garden areas.  However, we&#8217;ve got perennial herbs along the front walk, containers on the patio get planted with vegetables rather than annuals for color (eggplants have the prettiest flowers!), and the front yard is slowly being converted to vegetables, too.  </p>
<p>At first I was wary about the response from neighbors to winter squash in my flower bed last year, but I got so many positive comments that I planted another corner with corn this year and grew onions and garlic in the first flower bed.  For next year I&#8217;m considering removing the front lawn (about 10&#8242; x 10&#8242;) and planting tomatoes and peppers.  Some neighbors have asked if I&#8217;m worried about people stealing the produce, but it hasn&#8217;t happened yet.</p>
<p>By continuing to expand into every available bit of dirt and sunlight, I&#8217;m hoping that within 2 years I&#8217;ll be growing at least half of our produce for the year.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your garden is bigger than my house I think! I&#039;ve got a small garden on my urban lot in Los Angeles, maybe 100 sq ft. It doesn&#039;t produce a ton and small space gardening amplifies some of the problems (pests, disease etc), but it&#039;s a nice hobby and we enjoy the produce. I do garden organically but that&#039;s also cause I have pets and I don&#039;t want them getting sick licking a pesticide covered plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your garden is bigger than my house I think! I&#8217;ve got a small garden on my urban lot in Los Angeles, maybe 100 sq ft. It doesn&#8217;t produce a ton and small space gardening amplifies some of the problems (pests, disease etc), but it&#8217;s a nice hobby and we enjoy the produce. I do garden organically but that&#8217;s also cause I have pets and I don&#8217;t want them getting sick licking a pesticide covered plant.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d recommend scraping that horse manure off your garden and getting some cow manure instead or just till in leaves from your trees.  Both cows are horses digest (or perhaps I should say don&#039;t digest) plant matter like seed about the same.  The difference is that most cows each grains or 99% weed free hay/alfaha but horses get more of their feed from grazing.  This means horse manure is usually (this might not be the case if the person you got the manure from doesn&#039;t have much room to graze) packed full of weed seeds.  I found out the hard way that using horse manure in the fall causes an explosion of weeds the following spring and summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d recommend scraping that horse manure off your garden and getting some cow manure instead or just till in leaves from your trees.  Both cows are horses digest (or perhaps I should say don&#8217;t digest) plant matter like seed about the same.  The difference is that most cows each grains or 99% weed free hay/alfaha but horses get more of their feed from grazing.  This means horse manure is usually (this might not be the case if the person you got the manure from doesn&#8217;t have much room to graze) packed full of weed seeds.  I found out the hard way that using horse manure in the fall causes an explosion of weeds the following spring and summer.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a productive garden! Living in an apartment for all my life, I&#039;m jealous. My &quot;garden&quot; consists of several potted succulents and a potted rosemary. My basil and jalapenos died last winter and I haven&#039;t replaced them yet. I&#039;m going to be getting some chocolate mint this weekend, which I&#039;m excited about.

Be sure to plug that indoor grow light into a kill-o-watt meter to add it to the costs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a productive garden! Living in an apartment for all my life, I&#8217;m jealous. My &#8220;garden&#8221; consists of several potted succulents and a potted rosemary. My basil and jalapenos died last winter and I haven&#8217;t replaced them yet. I&#8217;m going to be getting some chocolate mint this weekend, which I&#8217;m excited about.</p>
<p>Be sure to plug that indoor grow light into a kill-o-watt meter to add it to the costs!</p>
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		<title>By: deepali</title>
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		<dc:creator>deepali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my favorite post of the month.  While some people think gardening is &quot;stupid&quot;, I think there is a whole quality of life big picture that is being missed.  It isn&#039;t just about saving money (though that is a focus of your blog), it&#039;s also about your health, your connection to the earth, etc.  And I think part of what drives us to consumerism excess is a disconnectedness from the world around us.  Getting in touch with something as basic as what we put in our bodies gives us tremendous insight into our needs as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my favorite post of the month.  While some people think gardening is &#8220;stupid&#8221;, I think there is a whole quality of life big picture that is being missed.  It isn&#8217;t just about saving money (though that is a focus of your blog), it&#8217;s also about your health, your connection to the earth, etc.  And I think part of what drives us to consumerism excess is a disconnectedness from the world around us.  Getting in touch with something as basic as what we put in our bodies gives us tremendous insight into our needs as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss my garden! Yours is so inspiring!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miss my garden! Yours is so inspiring!</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, OMG, I&#039;m sorry about all the comments.  Now a thought about food preservation.  I recently checked Sally Fallon&#039;s and Mary Enig&#039;s book Nourishing Traditions out of the library.  I do not fall in lockstep with every single thing in that book, but I am fascinated by what I&#039;ve learned about using lacto-bacteria for food preservation.  For instance, instead of using vinegar to make sauerkraut, one would use whey.  I was in a store recently where they stocked traditional sauerkraut and, curious, I checked the ingredient list.  Sure enough, it was whey-based and not vinegar-based.  Wow.

Apparently a sort of simultaneous pre-digestion AND preservation goes on that leaves the vegetables in a fit state for consumption for far longer than they&#039;d last even in a root cellar.  You also get more nutritional benefit--more bang for your buck or return for your effort, as it were.

I want to own the book soonish and start experimenting with this stuff myself.  I&#039;ve already obtained kefir grains through a listing on Freecycle, and I want to play around with piima next, since that&#039;s one method of obtaining whey.  I&#039;ve always hated pickles but I&#039;m curious to know whether it was the vinegar turning me off and whether I&#039;d like lacto-fermented stuff better.  I already know I like sour cream and can stand to eat plain yogurt so... we&#039;ll see.

But, if you like pickling, the book&#039;s worth checking out and there&#039;s your answer for how to keep scads and scads of produce.  A root cellar may not be practical for some people, especially if they have cats.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, OMG, I&#8217;m sorry about all the comments.  Now a thought about food preservation.  I recently checked Sally Fallon&#8217;s and Mary Enig&#8217;s book Nourishing Traditions out of the library.  I do not fall in lockstep with every single thing in that book, but I am fascinated by what I&#8217;ve learned about using lacto-bacteria for food preservation.  For instance, instead of using vinegar to make sauerkraut, one would use whey.  I was in a store recently where they stocked traditional sauerkraut and, curious, I checked the ingredient list.  Sure enough, it was whey-based and not vinegar-based.  Wow.</p>
<p>Apparently a sort of simultaneous pre-digestion AND preservation goes on that leaves the vegetables in a fit state for consumption for far longer than they&#8217;d last even in a root cellar.  You also get more nutritional benefit&#8211;more bang for your buck or return for your effort, as it were.</p>
<p>I want to own the book soonish and start experimenting with this stuff myself.  I&#8217;ve already obtained kefir grains through a listing on Freecycle, and I want to play around with piima next, since that&#8217;s one method of obtaining whey.  I&#8217;ve always hated pickles but I&#8217;m curious to know whether it was the vinegar turning me off and whether I&#8217;d like lacto-fermented stuff better.  I already know I like sour cream and can stand to eat plain yogurt so&#8230; we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>But, if you like pickling, the book&#8217;s worth checking out and there&#8217;s your answer for how to keep scads and scads of produce.  A root cellar may not be practical for some people, especially if they have cats.  <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam:  Growing open-pollinated plants and saving seed from year to year sort of cancels out the whole threat of the price of seeds going up.  I still have not learned how to save seed and I hope to do so someday.

Oh, I forgot.  Compost.  There&#039;s a nifty gadget you can get now, sort of an indoor compost cooker, and it&#039;s electric but uses very little power.  But it heats your kitchen scraps to just the right temperature to let you compost *everything* leftover, even meat and dairy.

Presto... free fertilizer, and way better for you in the end.  I believe it was U of Calif. at Davis where they tested organic veggies versus conventionally fertilized, and the organic were more nutritious across the board.  Only stands to reason:  the native fare of plants all over the world is what&#039;s left over of the rotting remains of other living things.

And I see someone&#039;s written about manure.  Here&#039;s a tip:  You should not be using raw manure anyway, whether or not it&#039;s got bad germs in it.  Organic farmers always rot manure down before they use it because the fresh stuff burns plants.  Think about what dog doo does to your lawn if you leave it on the grass and you&#039;ll get the idea.

What&#039;s put E. coli on organic produce in the past several years has not been the fertilizer that organic farmers use, but runoff from cattle feedlots, where cows&#039; GI tracts are irritated by the grain they eat and they are more susceptible to virulent strains of E. coli.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam:  Growing open-pollinated plants and saving seed from year to year sort of cancels out the whole threat of the price of seeds going up.  I still have not learned how to save seed and I hope to do so someday.</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot.  Compost.  There&#8217;s a nifty gadget you can get now, sort of an indoor compost cooker, and it&#8217;s electric but uses very little power.  But it heats your kitchen scraps to just the right temperature to let you compost *everything* leftover, even meat and dairy.</p>
<p>Presto&#8230; free fertilizer, and way better for you in the end.  I believe it was U of Calif. at Davis where they tested organic veggies versus conventionally fertilized, and the organic were more nutritious across the board.  Only stands to reason:  the native fare of plants all over the world is what&#8217;s left over of the rotting remains of other living things.</p>
<p>And I see someone&#8217;s written about manure.  Here&#8217;s a tip:  You should not be using raw manure anyway, whether or not it&#8217;s got bad germs in it.  Organic farmers always rot manure down before they use it because the fresh stuff burns plants.  Think about what dog doo does to your lawn if you leave it on the grass and you&#8217;ll get the idea.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s put E. coli on organic produce in the past several years has not been the fertilizer that organic farmers use, but runoff from cattle feedlots, where cows&#8217; GI tracts are irritated by the grain they eat and they are more susceptible to virulent strains of E. coli.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, JD, I know that you&#039;re an experienced organic gardener ... but I want to throw out a reminder for everyone ELSE that manure (the real, raw, smelly stuff that JD just put down) can allow harmful-to-humans bacteria to get into your food supply. The stuff you can buy from landscaping stores has been sterilized to prevent stupid city slickers like me from screwing up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, JD, I know that you&#8217;re an experienced organic gardener &#8230; but I want to throw out a reminder for everyone ELSE that manure (the real, raw, smelly stuff that JD just put down) can allow harmful-to-humans bacteria to get into your food supply. The stuff you can buy from landscaping stores has been sterilized to prevent stupid city slickers like me from screwing up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely right about the economics of herb-growing.  Not only is it cheaper to grow them at home, you get better herbs.

When I was married back in the mid-nineties, we attended an herb fair in downtown Savannah, at which I purchased several plants, including a baby bay tree.  That little stick and three leaves grew into a small bush over the next four years.  I was amazed at how pretty it was.  You know how bay leaves in the grocery store are small and light green in color?  These leaves were at least two and a half inches long, usually three, and dark green and glossy.  When I pruned the tree the air around it exploded in bay scent.  Good old regular Laurus nobilis.  I can&#039;t imagine how long the leaves in the grocery store have been sitting in storage.  I&#039;d guess maybe two years or more.

I experienced similar results with the other herbs I grew.  The difference in color, scent, taste, and quality were just astounding.

If you&#039;re buying it in the grocery store, you&#039;re being ripped off.  Even if it&#039;s a dollar a bottle on clearance.  Perhaps especially then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely right about the economics of herb-growing.  Not only is it cheaper to grow them at home, you get better herbs.</p>
<p>When I was married back in the mid-nineties, we attended an herb fair in downtown Savannah, at which I purchased several plants, including a baby bay tree.  That little stick and three leaves grew into a small bush over the next four years.  I was amazed at how pretty it was.  You know how bay leaves in the grocery store are small and light green in color?  These leaves were at least two and a half inches long, usually three, and dark green and glossy.  When I pruned the tree the air around it exploded in bay scent.  Good old regular Laurus nobilis.  I can&#8217;t imagine how long the leaves in the grocery store have been sitting in storage.  I&#8217;d guess maybe two years or more.</p>
<p>I experienced similar results with the other herbs I grew.  The difference in color, scent, taste, and quality were just astounding.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re buying it in the grocery store, you&#8217;re being ripped off.  Even if it&#8217;s a dollar a bottle on clearance.  Perhaps especially then.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The differences in size are absolutely crazy. Just finished looking at houses in Baltimore that had square footages similar to your garden, and someone posted owning 650 acres. Man I would be in trouble on the east if I didn&#039;t like hanging around a lot of people constantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The differences in size are absolutely crazy. Just finished looking at houses in Baltimore that had square footages similar to your garden, and someone posted owning 650 acres. Man I would be in trouble on the east if I didn&#8217;t like hanging around a lot of people constantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris de Vidal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris de Vidal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.D., I would be very interested to see what youre results would be if you tried a GrowFood.com section of the garden alongside your regularly-grown garden.  I may try the same and blog my results.  They seem to be able to grow shockingly large organic gardens in any soil.  It seems Dr. Mittleider broke all the rules of growing.  My manuals should come this week and I&#039;m eager to pore over them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.D., I would be very interested to see what youre results would be if you tried a GrowFood.com section of the garden alongside your regularly-grown garden.  I may try the same and blog my results.  They seem to be able to grow shockingly large organic gardens in any soil.  It seems Dr. Mittleider broke all the rules of growing.  My manuals should come this week and I&#8217;m eager to pore over them.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in comment to the horse manure.  I have put cow manure on my garden for over 5 years now and while I do have some weeds, these are easily controlled with hand weeding and putting newspaper between the rows with straw on top to hold it down.  The newspaper keeps the weeds from growing through (generally) and helps with the maintenance of weeding.  

Personally, I enjoy the alone time in the garden weeding.  For some reason, my kids don&#039;t like to bother me when weeding (perhaps because I will put them to work).  I think the manure is worth the extra effort of weeding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in comment to the horse manure.  I have put cow manure on my garden for over 5 years now and while I do have some weeds, these are easily controlled with hand weeding and putting newspaper between the rows with straw on top to hold it down.  The newspaper keeps the weeds from growing through (generally) and helps with the maintenance of weeding.  </p>
<p>Personally, I enjoy the alone time in the garden weeding.  For some reason, my kids don&#8217;t like to bother me when weeding (perhaps because I will put them to work).  I think the manure is worth the extra effort of weeding.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to hear your plans for weed suppression with the horse manure. My in-laws gave me a barrelful a few years back, which I used to amend my bird/butterfly garden. By August that year, I had a nice crop of oats and timothy to go with the sunflowers and rudbeckia. :p  The birds loved it, so I let it be, but I&#039;ve been hesitant to use manure in other areas where aesthetics are more important (like the front of the house).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to hear your plans for weed suppression with the horse manure. My in-laws gave me a barrelful a few years back, which I used to amend my bird/butterfly garden. By August that year, I had a nice crop of oats and timothy to go with the sunflowers and rudbeckia. :p  The birds loved it, so I let it be, but I&#8217;ve been hesitant to use manure in other areas where aesthetics are more important (like the front of the house).</p>
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		<title>By: Kristi Wachter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristi Wachter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet if you had actually bought your herbs, they would have cost even more than $25. I find it hard to use up a whole packet or bunch of store-bought herbs, and I usually end up throwing some away. I&#039;ve always thought one of the great things about growing your own must be the ability to go pick a single sprig when that&#039;s all you need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet if you had actually bought your herbs, they would have cost even more than $25. I find it hard to use up a whole packet or bunch of store-bought herbs, and I usually end up throwing some away. I&#8217;ve always thought one of the great things about growing your own must be the ability to go pick a single sprig when that&#8217;s all you need.</p>
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		<title>By: Squawkfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squawkfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting study. Since moving to my husband&#039;s 650 acre organic family ranch 3 years ago I must admit your garden seems the perfect size. The larger the garden gets the more expensive (in my experience). Especially when you factor in the costs of farm equipment, mechanical repairs, irrigation, and fuel. The satisfaction of eating one&#039;s own food is immeasurable though. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting study. Since moving to my husband&#8217;s 650 acre organic family ranch 3 years ago I must admit your garden seems the perfect size. The larger the garden gets the more expensive (in my experience). Especially when you factor in the costs of farm equipment, mechanical repairs, irrigation, and fuel. The satisfaction of eating one&#8217;s own food is immeasurable though. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, that&#039;s an interesting thought, but I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s a real concern. Gardens used to be a lot more common than they are today, and I&#039;ve never read anything about their prevalance causing increased prices (though I&#039;m sure it is possible).

My own gut feeling is that if more people gardened, prices would actually &lt;i&gt;decrease&lt;/i&gt; on some items.

For example, when we order our garden seeds, we often consult with our friends who garden. We try not to overlap, which allows our little group to swap certain seeds, saving everyone money. Similarly, some of us have rototillers &#8212; others don&#039;t. If all of our neighbors gardened, we could swap equipment around during the season, saving each other money.

Interesting question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, that&#8217;s an interesting thought, but I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s a real concern. Gardens used to be a lot more common than they are today, and I&#8217;ve never read anything about their prevalance causing increased prices (though I&#8217;m sure it is possible).</p>
<p>My own gut feeling is that if more people gardened, prices would actually <i>decrease</i> on some items.</p>
<p>For example, when we order our garden seeds, we often consult with our friends who garden. We try not to overlap, which allows our little group to swap certain seeds, saving everyone money. Similarly, some of us have rototillers &mdash; others don&#8217;t. If all of our neighbors gardened, we could swap equipment around during the season, saving each other money.</p>
<p>Interesting question.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/11/02/the-grs-garden-project-october-update/comment-page-1/#comment-154540</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD and Kris,
I would love to get any tips you have on growing an herb garden from seed.  My husband and I used to live in an apartment, and in the interest of saving money to eventually buy a house, we have moved in with my mom, and now I actually have space for a garden!   We are also interested in getting a couple of chickens.  Downside is I have no idea what I&#039;m doing, so any tips would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks for a fantastic blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD and Kris,<br />
I would love to get any tips you have on growing an herb garden from seed.  My husband and I used to live in an apartment, and in the interest of saving money to eventually buy a house, we have moved in with my mom, and now I actually have space for a garden!   We are also interested in getting a couple of chickens.  Downside is I have no idea what I&#8217;m doing, so any tips would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks for a fantastic blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these are a quite interesting series of articles. I wonder though, would this really be cost efficient at all if it was done on a large scale? Wouldn&#039;t that raise the price of seeds, dirt, equipment, etc substantially?

What I mean is, does this sort of thing only work so long as very few other people take advantage of it as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these are a quite interesting series of articles. I wonder though, would this really be cost efficient at all if it was done on a large scale? Wouldn&#8217;t that raise the price of seeds, dirt, equipment, etc substantially?</p>
<p>What I mean is, does this sort of thing only work so long as very few other people take advantage of it as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Kris at GRS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris at GRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To SK @#7
We try to plan the garden in such a way that our crop matches our food projects.  Last year was a big pickling year for me, so I planted tons of cucumbers and pickled many quarts.  This year, we&#039;re still set for pickles, so my cucumbers were just for salads.  I don&#039;t know of anyway to long-term store fresh cukes!  For carrots, a root cellar was the trick for decades.  I have seen people write about storing carrots and other root vegetables for months in a box of sand.  But really, whole, clean carrots will keep for a couple months in your crisper drawer in the fridge (wrap in a plastic bag), or if you are going to use them for soup or casseroles, go ahead and chop them and freeze them now for later use. 

We pretty much use whatever we harvest, but if I ever feel overwhelmed, I take the excess to work or the neighbors.  It&#039;s always appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To SK @#7<br />
We try to plan the garden in such a way that our crop matches our food projects.  Last year was a big pickling year for me, so I planted tons of cucumbers and pickled many quarts.  This year, we&#8217;re still set for pickles, so my cucumbers were just for salads.  I don&#8217;t know of anyway to long-term store fresh cukes!  For carrots, a root cellar was the trick for decades.  I have seen people write about storing carrots and other root vegetables for months in a box of sand.  But really, whole, clean carrots will keep for a couple months in your crisper drawer in the fridge (wrap in a plastic bag), or if you are going to use them for soup or casseroles, go ahead and chop them and freeze them now for later use. </p>
<p>We pretty much use whatever we harvest, but if I ever feel overwhelmed, I take the excess to work or the neighbors.  It&#8217;s always appreciated.</p>
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