You Can’t Always Get What You Want: The Dark Side of Personal Finance
Published on - November 24th, 2008 (by J.D. Roth) I drove down to clean the moss of the roof of my mother’s house last week. I spent several hours on top of the house with my cousin Nick, scraping and hosing and blowing away years of green growth. We chatted as we worked. I told him that I was going to speak with a literary agent on the following day, and that I hoped I might soon have a book deal.
“How does that work?” he asked me. “How do you make money on that?”
I did my best to explain, but it was difficult. I’m not sure I fully understand the system myself. “When a writer sells a book, he gets an advance on the profits,” I said as I scraped moss from between the shingles.
“For example, I might get a $10,000 advance. The publisher pays this to me before the book is even printed. As the book sells, I am entitled to a share of the profits from each copy. However, I see none of that until my share of the earnings is at least $10,000. Then, if sales are strong, I get paid for anything beyond that initial $10,000. The advance is guaranteed money — they can’t take it back unless I don’t write the book — but I don’t get any more unless the book sells well.”
“And the agent?” asked Nick. He was hosing away the moss and debris I’d scraped from the cracks.
“The agent gets 15% of everything I earn,” I said. “But that’s okay. In theory, she’ll more than make up for it by getting me a better deal, a bigger advance. It’s sort of like hiring an accountant to do your taxes. It costs you something, but in general you get more than you pay for.”
“If you do sell a book, what will you do with your advance?” Nick asked.
“That’s a good question,” I said. “I don’t know. What I really want to do is buy a Mini Cooper. I’ve been saying that for a long time now. I hate my car, and every time I see a Mini, I covet it. My advance is likely to be small, but if I got a really big advance, maybe I could afford to buy one outright.”
I stopped scraping shingles and began scooping crap out of the gutter.
“That seems so crazy, though.” I said. “I barely drive now as it is. I don’t need a brand-new sporty little car. I could put that money into savings. Or into the stock market.”
I paused to think.
“But I really want that car. I’m obsessed with it. I’ve got to get over that. I’ve got to stop wanting.”
“Why do you have to stop wanting?” Nick asked.
“Wanting is bad,” I said. “Wanting makes me buy things.”
I was remembering Yoda’s speech from The Phantom Menace: Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
I imagined that the personal finance equivalent might be: Want is the path to the Dark Side. Want leads to spending. Spending leads to debt. Debt leads to suffering.

Nick set me straight. “It’s not bad to want things,” he said. “Want is good. It keeps you motivated. It makes you save and earn. Look at you. You wouldn’t be where you are today if you hadn’t wanted to get out of debt.”
“That’s not the same thing,” I said.
“It’s close enough,” Nick said. He stopped his work, pulled off his cap, and wiped his brow. “It’s okay to have something in your life that you hate. And it’s okay to have something you want. It’s natural. The problem is that once you get that thing, you’re just going to hate something else, you’re just going to want something more. It’s not want that’s the problem, but the habit of constantly satisfying wants.”
I was about to argue with him, but then I realized that he was right. Wanting isn’t the problem. Problems occur when we develop the habit of indulging every want, or wants we cannot afford.
When I accumulated debt in the mid-1990s, I was constantly satisfying my wants. I wanted a new computer, so I bought it. Because I had the new computer, I wanted a bigger monitor, so I bought it. I wanted a better graphics card, so I bought it. I wanted new games, so I bought them. The wanting never ended, and neither did the spending. I didn’t know how to say, “Enough!”
“I want things too,” Nick said. “But I’ve learned that it’s okay. It’s fun to want things. It’s even okay to buy the things you want sometimes, too, if you can afford it. It’s like when you were a kid, and you cut pictures out of magazines showing the things you dreamed about. You’d save up to buy a football or a bicycle or a BB gun. That was fun.”
“I think I see what you’re saying,” I said. I picked up the rake and began to sweep the oak leaves over the edge of the roof, watching them whump to the ground. “Wanting keeps us motivated. It gives us goals. So it’s not a bad thing in and of itself. And it’s not even a problem to satisfy some wants. The problem is when we try to satisfy all of our wants, when we get caught up in a never-ending series of wants.”
“Exactly,” Nick said.
After we’d finished working, we climbed down and picked up our tools. I was cold and tired and wet. I was hungry. I wanted a hamburger. I wanted a big, juicy bacon cheeseburger, a side of fries, and a coke.
My initial reaction was to dismiss this, both for health and financial reasons, but then I thought of my conversation with Nick. I thought of the five dollars I had in my pocket. I thought of the four hours I’d just spent on the roof scraping moss. I made up my mind. On the way home, I stopped at a drive-thru and I bought a hamburger. It was delicious. It was just what I wanted.
Today, as I was writing this story, I found myself craving a hamburger again. And fries. And a coke. But today, I didn’t fulfill that desire. I knew better than to fall into the cycle.
Sometimes it’s okay to buy the things we want, but the constant fulfillment of desire can lead to the Dark Side of personal finance.
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Half in the mini cooper sub-account, half in someplace sensible
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I agree that you definitely want to spend some time actually driving the Mini to be sure it lives up to your expectations before you buy. That said, I got a Volvo a few years ago and it’s still a joy in my daily life. I paid cash too. I hope to keep it for the rest of my natural born days.
to 65 Allen: Like many of the posters here, I’m a big Star Wars fan too, but not particularly of Yoda. There’s a reason he’s known as the nasty green oven mitt. Most of what he told Luke was untrue. Well, don’t get me started.
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“It’s not want that’s the problem, but the habit of constantly satisfying wants.”
I disagree. You can satisfy one desire and irreparably mess up your life forever. The problem is satisfying a Want or a series of Wants that are beyond your means.
Forget Yoda. He miscalculated and was out manuevered by Palpatine, resulting in the deaths of billions and a forced exile. What Yoda should have done was whack Qui-Gon in the shin with this cane for disobeying the decision not to train Anakin.
If you truly want the car and are willing to sacrifice and save up for it, I don’t see a problem. On the other hand, if you’re waiting to reach your financial summit before that new car purchase, then this is basically a question of timing.
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J.D.
Best post ever! You are now the Jedi Master of common sense finance!
To Allen: Post 65: Agreed that fear is healthy, however, history has taught us that fear does lead to anger and hate.
There are two types of fear; the fear that helps us grow and tells us not to stick our finger in the light socket because it is going to hurt; And the Fear of the unknown and the fear that your personal foundations and beliefs (basically everything you believe in) will be destroyed. Yoda, I believe, was referring to the last. I have provided a few real world examples of fear turning to anger and hate.
Have you ever tried or known someone who has tried to lead that proverbial horse to water? This usually involves a family member or friend. You try to show them the error of their ways and get them on the right path and they end up hating you in the end. Why? In most cases it is fear change.
In recent history the court battle over evolution comes to mind; Darwinism. On the one side there was religion and that God created all. On the other side we all came from apes. The fear that there is no God is one of the greatest if not the greatest fear of all. It was feared that Darwinism would prove God did not exist. The hate and anger which was spewed from the court room and in the newspapers was truly dark.
In really recent history the completion of super collider in Europe has caused a great amount of fear. The fear it may cause a Black Hole and collapse the world into nothingness has caused hate and anger toward the Scientists who are working on the project. It does not help that we are closing in on 2012, the year the world will end according to the Aztec calendar.
There are many more examples throughout history which can be quoted. Ironically most are centered around religion.
Reflecting on Yoda’s quote I believe Lucas let part of it out. It should be: Not understanding leads to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Real world translation from a 16 year old: Not understanding: “I don’t understand geometry.” Anger: “This is stupid, why do I have to take this???” I am never going to use it; Hate: “I hate school, I hate Math” Suffering: 16 year old gets poor grades on report card and gets grounded for the summer.
BTW: I sensed anger in your last paragraph on trying. Be carful or Yoda’s words will become a self fulfilling prophesy.
Robert
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“Want is the path to the Dark Side. Want leads to spending. Spending leads to debt. Debt leads to suffering”
Profound.
Now, if anyone could figure out how the diabolical ones trigger over excessive “want” in the masses, one big ole debt epidemic could be solved.
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The Mini Cooper S is a piece of crap. Buy something else! I have a 2005 decked out with 50K+ miles, bought new. I’m getting ready to put the third set of tires on it ~ about every 20K miles. Brake dust on the front is a real problem. BTW, replaced the front brakes AND rotors at 22K. Used “low dust” pads, better but, not much. Those are ready to be replaced again. Driver’s side interior door handle has a small cable that has broken twice. The power steering pump is electric, guess how I know that. That little car is remarkably difficult to steer without P/S. And, even driving “hyper-miler” style & with a lot of highway (Edwards AFB is far from everywhere) the gas mileage is horrible. Front windshield cracked for no good reason. Had to replace that.
All-in-all, not a very wise expenditure of your cash IMHO.
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LOL @ #88… Your entire comment makes me laugh because he was talking to his cousin, not his brother.
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This is one of the best blog post I have read in a long time. It is financial advice thrown together with storytelling of two people on a roof. I also liked the yoda reference.
You are spot on with you advice in this story. If you neglect all your wants, then you will neglect all the things that makes life worth living. On the other hand satisfying all your material wants will ruin your life with debt. The goal is to find a good middle way.
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I am so glad you posted this, this week. My daughter turned 8 today. Last Saturday she was grousing about having a birthday party at home instead of having a $500 party at an indoor gym like her friends do. I wavered, but stood firm in the end.
What she doesn’t know is that this “home party” is actually a gift. I knew a boy whose grandparents granted his heart’s desire. Piles of presents for every occasion. Expectations were raised over time. The year he turned 8, his grandparents had hit a hard year financially. The pile of gifts hadn’t grown exponentially. He ripped through 20+ gifts in 5 minutes, never stopping to notice what was under the wrap. Then he asked his grandmother where the rest of his gifts were. He refused to believe that there were no more. He ran to look in the back of the closets to find the hidden gifts that weren’t there.
I don’t want my children raised with those ever-increasing expectations. My hope is that she will not need to live her life solely to satisfy wants, but to appreciate them. We seem to be on the path…at the end of a raucous party at home with 8 of her friends, my daughter agreed that her celebration had indeed been as much fun as the others.
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Great article… this is definitely a struggle that every individual has.
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Hey, I loved this article. Gotta love those mini-coopers. Is it safe to say you’re a fan of the movie “The Italian Job”?
I agree with your cousin, it’s okay to want–but we don’t always have to have those things. I really want a mini-cooper too, but 3 kids in car seats can’t really fit in one of those things *sigh* but I’d rather drive them around than bars of gold any day!
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From the movie, “Once Upon a Time in Mexico”,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0285823/quotes
Fideo: The man who wants nothing is invincible, cabron.
jr
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Why not buy a used Mini Cooper? That way you can save money and still enjoy the car.
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#107 — Thanks for the giggle.
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very interesting article here. I make significantly less than a lot of people, so my big want for a few years was a dSLR. I pined, I craved, I compared. I wanted a Nikon d40 for about two years. I had money to buy one, but I always shifted it over into savings (I make under 20k a year, and I’ve got a 6+ month cushion in savings) or into traveling. Even when my digital camera broke, I limped along with the loss of my zoom function.
What finally got me to buy my dSLR was a gift of $1,000 from my parents. And you know what? Best purchase ever. I use my new camera all the time. I should have known I would — I used my crappy broken camera (which I eventually fixed, so now I have 2!) even tho it was broken. So, when I think about whether an indulgence is worthwhile, I really think hard about what I’ll gain from it, how long term it is, and what the cost per use will be.
Strikingly, this same thinking has kept me from buying a wii. I enjoy them, but I don’t use my gamecube as it is. I’d resent the time a wii takes up. So I’m able to appreciate and enjoy them at someone else’s house but not feel the need to own one myself.
(PS I liked your post so much that I’m working on a much longer one of my own. I don’t see the option to trackback here, so I figured I’d just let you know.)
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Having wants is as important as having a mindset to save. It helps motivates you to get to your goals. Then when you get there, you reap the benefits. Perpetually saving with no goal in sight may cause you to go crazy.
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Do you have a few different subaccounts where you are putting money away for various wants and needs? I’d say take stock of what you’re saving and what you’re saving it for. Decide how important each item is to you and assign a percentage value to it. Then if you get an advance, split it up among the savings accounts according to importance percentage.
Let’s say you’re saving for the Mini, a vacation, and a new roof on the house. They’re not equally important because you need the roof a lot more than the other two items. So, you might assign a 50% value to the roof account, 25% to the vacation account and 25% to the Mini.
Then, let’s say your original figure turns out to be the advance you get. So you’d put $5000 in the roof account, $2500 in the vacation account and $2500 in the Mini’s.
Make sense? It’s sad. I have no savings and am all thumbs with money and yet I can come up with ideas for managing it.
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JD,
This is THE opening to the book or at the very least a chapter in your book. This is the struggle, the yin and the yang of spending and you have encapsulated it into a post with an anecdote and a good quote from a current movie that most people will get…kudos.
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Forget Yoda. He miscalculated and was out manuevered by Palpatine, resulting in the deaths of billions and a forced exile. What Yoda should have done was whack Qui-Gon in the shin with this cane for disobeying the decision not to train Anakin.
Star Wars geekitude fail. Palpatine would have achieved power even without Anakin helping him–if you saw eppy 3, all Anakin did in the beginning of the coup was kill all the Padawan children. Palpatine had already maneuvered everything he needed into place to do what he needed to do to take over; Anakin was just window dressing.
Anakin’s having been trained as a Jedi, however, when paired with his temper and overattachment to things (the very antithesis of a light-side Jedi), made him useful to Palpatine. Thus he remained Palpatine’s number two guy and thus he was in a position to kill the Emperor when Palpatine was on the verge of annihilating the Rebel Alliance with the second Death Star.
If he hadn’t been removed from Tattooine and trained as a Jedi he likely would have perished in obscurity or been killed as a Force-sensitive upon discovery by the Galactic Empire, if he didn’t die in a pod race first. The Emperor would have taken over and that would have been that. There might not even have been a Rebel Alliance worth speaking of to oppose him, since Anakin’s daughter Leia was one of the major movers and shakers that made it the effective power it was.
Life’s always more complex than it looks.
And I would say Yoda’s statement about fear works out the same way as J.D.’s statement about wants. A little fear is healthy. It’s when you constantly indulge your fear and react to life from a place of fear that you mess everything up. When you live in constant fear, you’re more vulnerable to hate, etc., etc. Yoda was right.
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Great post, great blog. Oh, do I sympathize. I have a strong desire nature, but I agree with the Buddhists: Man suffers because he wants. I swing between idealizing asceticism and “hey, life is great, indulge your senses, that’s what we’re here for, whooo hoooooo! The Buddhists also value the middle way, so perhaps the suggestions for buying used, or saving up to pay cash, or renting one to tool around in for a while are the most sane. But then I am reminded of a favorite quote, “All things in moderation, including moderation”.
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I worked for a lady that saved her whole life for retirement; she pinched pennies and went without unnecessarily. When she retired she got Alzheimer’s and all that money she saved up went to pay for in home care until she died.
She was too afraid to spend any of that money and didn’t enjoy life while she had the chance. It is okay to want and it’s okay to have, but you pay the price for both.
Living life to the fullest means something different for every person, saving all your money for a rainy day is not a bad idea. Just remember that when the sun does come out you go get some ice cream, a really big one.
J.D. I look forward to your book may you have a greater amount of success then any of us can want/covet/dream or hope for.
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Wow! What a great story. Your thought process and rationalization on the topic of wanting vs needing is a great one. This is something I also struggle with in our quest to live debt free. We aren’t quite there yet and I continually have this internal battle with myself. I.E. the new Blackberry storm, I don’t need it but I really do want it. There is nothing wrong with my current blackberry save for the fact that it doesn’t do everything the storm does. Wanting vs needing.
Thanks again for this great article!
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Great post! Best of luck with the book deal
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In one of the Star Trek movies a number of years ago, Spock said “Wanting is the better part of having”. I don’t remember anything of the movie, but the truth of that statement imprinted itself on my mind. Reminding myself of this truth has saved me from a lot of needless spending for things I really desire but don’t need.
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I like Tyler@68′s suggestion: find an old one and fix it up, if that’s within your skill set; the attachment you develop will outweigh any disappointment resulting from years of anticipation regarding a new Mini. There are other suggestions, too, which I think would be a good way of finding out if your love is really true: renting one for various periods of time, and finding out if having really IS as good as wanting.
I particularly like Tyler’s suggestion, because it’s been my discovery that those things in which I am personally invested/have made myself are far more important to me than something purchased shiny and new might be.
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Here’s my personal mind game in battling an attack of the Wants :
I promise myself that I first look for alternative ways of paying for whatever I want this time instead of instant gratification for at least two weeks.
Going around shops and noting the prices, researching the various internet markets , bartering in shops (works if you have the right info and come at the right of day or season)
even thinking of taking part-time job, tax return, free in the library etc , etc.
Usually at the end of those two weeks it has burned itself out by that time by either not wanting it anymore or even forgetting what it was in the first place (scary revelation !)
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