Ask the Readers: How Do Children Affect Financial Priorities? Print
Friday, 5th December 2008 (by J.D.)This article is about Ask the Readers, Budgeting, Kids, Planning
When you’re on your own (or even with a partner), money decisions are generally straight-forward. You set personal goals and you work toward them. But what happens when you add children to the mix? How do you plan for them and for yourself at the same time? Kat is expecting her first child this month, and needs advice on how to prioritize her finances:
My partner and I are just finishing the first phase of our relationship — starting our lives together. I am 25 and he is 31. More or less, I like where we are now financially:
- We’ll be debt-free by the end of the year.
- We have no mortgage — we are renting.
- We have no car since we chose to live near our places of work.
- We’ve started an emergency fund.
In our current situation, we can live comfortably on my partner’s salary alone (50% needs, then split the rest on wants and savings, like the balanced money formula). My income can be aggressively put into savings.
However, things are about to change since we are expecting our first baby later this month. (We have saved up for hospital expenses as well and gathered some baby stuff already.)
What I want to know is: How do we start this off right? I am putting our 2009 projections and goals in order now. If it were just the two of us, I would say that 2009 will be a year devoted for catching up on retirement savings. But with a baby on the way, what are the things we should be saving for?
I do my best to offer advice from my own life and my own experience. However, Kris and I have no children. (If this question were about cats, I could help.) In the past, several GRS guest authors have shared their wisdom about preparing for children:
- Corrinne wrote about making the move from two salaries to one.
- Lynnae from beingfrugal.net told how to prepare for a baby without going broke.
- Amanda described the shockwaves of a lifestyle change.
- Nickel gave tips for how to start a family without breaking the bank.
These are all great articles, but I’m not sure they address Kat’s concerns. It sounds to me as if she’s prepared for the baby’s arrival; she’s worried about the long-term impact on the household finances. Though Kris and I don’t do these things with our four cats, the following seem appropriate to somebody expecting her first child:
- Kat and her partner are in a solid financial position. Now is a great time to draw up goals for the future. Do they want to buy a house? Will they reduce their own retirement savings to set money aside for the child’s college education?
- It’s important to decide the roles each partner will play. Will both work? If so, what provisions will be made for daycare? If not, how will Kat and her partner decide who remains on the job?
- If Kat hasn’t already, she should take care of two tasks that most people procrastinate: life insurance and estate planning. (Creating a will isn’t as scary as you might think.)
- They should also discuss how much financial support they plan to lend their child on the long run. This is an important decision, and not as clear-cut as some might think. The Millionaire Next Door makes it clear that too much financial support for children can hurt their ability to fend for themselves.
But, as I say, I have no children. I don’t know how having a kid affects your financial decisions. I don’t know how you juggle your own retirement savings while saving for the child’s future. What about you?
Do you have advice for Kat and her partner? What financial preparations should they make? Do they need a car? How should they prioritize future saving? Are there things that you wish you done differently with your money as it relates to your kids? What are some of the things you did right?
Note: Here’s some follow-up from Kat.

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December 5th, 2008 at 5:32 am
It sounds like Kat’s partner is the main money maker for the family, so I assume that Kat would be the one to stay home. Obviously this is a big lifestyle adjustment, but it’s also one of the best things that can happen to a couple.
It sounds like they have their finances well in order, and this adjustment shouldn’t take them too far off track. I would recommend attempting to budget for this as accurately as possible, and then just get comfortable to the new arrangements since you have some money saved. After you feel you are ready, consider your alternatives for working, even if it’s just part-time or from home.
There are so many variables that chances are you will not be able to stick to a plan. It sounds like Kat is very organized and knowing that it would be almost impossible for things to work out exactly as planned, she would probably become frustrated that things aren’t going the way they were planned. If you have money saved up and can afford this luxury of taking come time to adjust, let her partner be the only source of income for a while and then see what presents itself after you’ve become acquainted. Be creative and try to think of new ways to save and earn and I think you’ll be surprised at what you can come up with.
Hope everything works out.
December 5th, 2008 at 5:36 am
First off, if you have the opportunity to do so, sign up for any tax-free things you can. We have two children and have maxed out the Childcare FSA (my wife works and we pay for daycare), and contribute $1300 a year to the Healthcare FSA — co-pays do add up when you have four of them, plus the cost of medicine, too. All these funds come out prior to taxes. A childbirth is a “qualifying event”, but you need to make changes within 30 days.
Also, make sure you update your paycheck withholding accordingly, as well. You’ve now got a dependent.
As for the car question, that comes down to the environment they live in. How far away is the pediatrician’s office? How available is transportation when you REALLY need it — like when you have to take your child to the doctor’s or hospital immediately? At the very least, you probably need to purchase a car seat, since at SOME point you will likely put your kid in some kind of car — a cab, a rental for a trip, etc. A car is not an absolute requirement by any means, but that answer is highly dependent on what sort of area you live in.
I’d also caution against the urge to go buy “everything you need” right away. And I’ll encourage also that you stay away from high-end “baby boutiques” with $500 strollers and the like. Most of the stuff you can get either used (Craigslist, Children’s Orchard, garage sales, other consignment shops, through people at work) or at Target and it will all work just fine. For the first 3 months a baby doesn’t need much at all, and until crawling/walking happens, they only need the most basic of toys and excitement. Even after they start moving around, the simplest toys seem to be more entertaining than something complex.
Enjoy your kid, though, they are a lot of fun (and a lot of work). It’s not entirely clear to me if Kat is planning on staying home or staying employed, but either way still results in decent kids — make YOUR decision as for what works for YOU and YOUR SITUATION. There will be many, many people who will judge you continuing to work (if you choose to do so) and “neglect” your family. Ignore them and do what you want to do — being a parent is a balancing act, and part of that balancing act is keeping YOU happy, too.
And finally — restrain from giant life decisions during your baby’s first three months of life. Sleep depravation isn’t a good time to figure stuff like that out.
December 5th, 2008 at 5:50 am
My husband and I both work and our son is 4 months old. Our money is divided into his/mine/ours in general. I contribute $100/month into a high yield savings account, he is putting 10% of his year end bonus into that account as well. Those numbers will increase as we figure out how much it costs to live with a kid but for right now we are still getting that figured out.
Lots of my giant-plastic-crap purchases have been second hand and that works out well, I’ll second craigslist as a good place to look for that stuff.
Good luck!!
December 5th, 2008 at 5:54 am
We have a young baby and have not gotten our act together about a 529 college plan yet, but one thing we did was open an ING money market account for our son. Every month we put a certain amount in his account. It’s a small amount now ($50), but we plan to increase that as he gets older.
I would second the importance of life insurance. I currently don’t have an solid income (just part-time on the side work), but we have life insurance on me now, since if something happened to me, my husband would have to spend a significant amount over the years on childcare.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:10 am
First of congrats to Kat and her husband. There is not much better in this world than children and the joy they bring.
It sounds like they have the finances locked up. If they can currently life off Hubby’s income then they will most likely just need to tighten up a little on discretionary spending and the amount they put in savings each month will probably drop.
I would recommend setting up a 529 plan asap. The more years you have for the compounding to work the better. Even if it is just $20 bucks a month anything is better than nothing.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:13 am
I think everyone has made some great points. Just to reiterate what Jason said, high-end products for babies are a waste of money. For the first couple of years they will cycle through things so quickly (even big buys like cribs and strollers) that it just doesn’t make sense to spend large sums on these items. Keep safety in mind though.
Also, I think having a child reiterates the importance of an emergency fund - you never know what might happen and throwing kids into the mix increases the variables exponentially. Think about daycare, healthcare expenses (and increased household expenses with diapers and baby foods), college, and whether or not any future children are planned. Best wishes!
December 5th, 2008 at 6:13 am
Kids’ education is very important and parents should start saving as soon as they are born. There are different government programs that can help you save money for education. Canadian readers can download my free RESP eBook by following this link - http://adawnjournal.com/2008/12/03/your-free-resp-ebook-is-ready/
December 5th, 2008 at 6:21 am
First off congratulations on the baby. Second off, your life is going to change in ways you have yet to envision, enjoy the ride.
My simple advice is this. You child will not give a hoot what clothes they wear, what they sleep in, how big or what color their room is, what toys they have, etc. until they are significantly older. All they care about is being comfortable (food, shelter, clothing and doses of love). So don’t spend money buying that “oh so cute” seventy dollar dress or leather jacket they’ll outgrow in a month or the five hundred dollar playpen with all the gizmos and gadgets. All that crap is typically for your ego and that of your family (grandparents are especially notorious for this, enjoy but keep it in check). Buy safe and smart, and lightly used if possible and practical. If you let yourself, you will find much more than subtle pressures coming from every angle to provide “the best” for your baby. There are many parents who justify their expensive purchases by making grand declarations on how it’s the “best” for their child and they simply can’t see how or why someone wouldn’t do “X” with their kid. It will sometime set you back on your heals in wondering if you’re doing right by your kid. Chances are, you are, don’t sweat it. Like I said, a kid would be quite happy wearing a puke stained (but cleaned) onesy while sleeping in a used playpen with a raggety blanket as long as they’re warm, fed, and clean.
If you’re considering daycare or stay at home, the debate is endless. All I’ll say is that I’ve seen kids raised with stay at home parents who were absolute sh*ts and kids raised spending plenty of time in daycare who are great kids, and visa versa. IMHO it’s the parenting you do when you’re there that really counts. You guys do what’s right for your family.
I’ll agree with the article that you need to get the life insurance on you an your spouse, IMHO term is better and cheaper. Get a will done and ensure it’s not only for this child but will cover others you may have (there are simple clauses you can put in so you don’t have to update the will every time you have a child).
I would *not* recommend paupering yourself in preparing for their college. I would recommend starting a 529 account or other college savings plan now. Drop $500 to $1000 (whatever the minimum is) and add just a little (say $20) from each paycheck or so or whatever you decide on and raise it a bit every year. You may not fund a $400K college education, but even today $30 - $40K can get two years community college and two years state college in most places with minimal or no loans. Obviously it’s your call on how much you decide to invest there.
I also would budget for plenty of trips to the doctor the first year. You’re new at this. Chances are you will end up bringing the child in more than you think either because you are concerned or because the little bugger gets more ear infections those first six months than you ever had in your lifetime. Trust me, by the third kid you’ll have a better idea of when you can wait to take them and when you need to take them in first thing. With the first kid, just take them in first thing all the time. Your learning.
Nuff said. Best of luck.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:22 am
I agree that used items - changing table, ‘big wheels’ trike - are the way to go. You would need a car for some of these ideas but hanging out three or four times a year at a nice neighborhood group garage sale is a good idea. Barely worn baby clothes and kid stuff are always on sale for 50-cents or similar price. I got a nice bumper set for $2, a bag of great condition kids’ books for $3.
Do not walk away from employability, even if you leave a job (to either parent.) Maintain that teacher certification, nursing license, or CPA designation - whatever makes sense for your field. You never know what is ahead and it is hard to get back in to many fields if you are out of date. I am not gloomily hinting at divorce but there are many ups and downs in the future. No-one should cease to have employable skills, no matter their circumstance.
If you can, you might consider working one or two days a week. The other parent ‘gets real’ about the work the baby demands, and you keep a toe in. A friend from my mom’s group was a pharmacist five days a month for years while she had and raised three kids. They loved having some weekend and holiday backup and she was able to seamlessly up her hours as her budget demanded. She also liked ‘adult’ time and taking to people her height, as well as using her education.
Good luck and save toward a used car so when you are ready for one you can avoid car dealer markups.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Definitely a good point about the college savings versus retirement savings. Your children will have 40 years of earning potential after college, but your personal earning potential will be peaking. So be helpful, but its not necessary to pay for everything.
I like the idea of the 529 (mine helped me through school and we have one for my daughter - 14 months old). It’s a great way to tuck away money given to your child when he/she is too young to want to buy some toy. Also, you could consider a credit card (yes, I know be careful with credit cards) such as the Futuretrust Mastercard, which puts 2% of every purchase into the 529 you set up. Or since you will be paying less in taxes, dedicate that “savings” to the 529. Or if the market has you freaked out, do the same with a cash back credit card and put the savings into an ING dedicated savings account, which could then be used to buy longer term CDs per GRS instructions.
But really it all comes down to setting priorities. What matters most is that you and your partner are on the same page, and that you achieve a healthy balance between taking care of your little one and taking care of yourselves.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:53 am
When our second child arrived I was well into a year of unemployment. We made ends meet by purchasing clothing and toys, even strollers(!) used from thrift stores and yard sales.
We found that the majority of the clothing we got had never been used. go figure. And the toys are well, just toys. With a good cleaning there’s no difference from new. And, we didn’t have to wrestle with the packaging that new toys come in!
It’s been 3 years since I started working again but we have continued getting stuff for our kids this way.
We found that clothing was 50%+ cheaper than new and most of the time toys were up to 90% cheaper than new. We also got a $200 dollar stroller for 45 bucks!
All that said, remember to buy child car seats, or anything directly related to the safety of your child, brand new.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:57 am
After my son was born I found that he was nowhere near as expensive as I had feared. I have the advantage of free formula as a perk from work, plus my partner is breastfeeding whenever possible. The warehouse stores save money on staples such as baby wipes and diapers. I found that the added expenses are cancelled out by the fact that restaurants and bars are now a distant memory. He will start daycare in a few weeks, and luckily the one we chose lowered their infant room rates by 10% recently because they’re operating well below capacity.
My personal goals are to maximize my retirement savings before even thinking about college savings. You can always borrow for a house, a car, a boat, or an education, but you can’t borrow for retirement. I will probably heed the advice of the other posters and start a savings plan with a few grand and plunk a small amount in, but I’m not going to save aggressively for his education until my salary has increased accordingly.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:04 am
Be prepared for everything to be disrupted when the kids arrive, including your assumptions about how best to live your lives with kids. Listen to everyone, read everything, and make your own best choices based on your goals and values. (Same old same old — priorities, priorities!) As an earlier poster noted, there will always be someone who thinks you’re wrong or weird no matter what you do, so you might as well make the best choices you can for your own reasons.
When I was expecting our first kid, we figured we’d do what everyone else we knew did, and put the kiddos into daycare and both go back to FT careers. Then the kid arrived, and we looked at each other and asked which of us was going back to work? Surprise! Time to come up with a new plan.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:10 am
I would share 5 suggestions with Kat:
1) Try to relax and enjoy your child as much as possible. Children mostly want and need their parents’ attention and love. Don’t let financial matters get in the way of this.
2) Stay at home with your child if you can. It sounds like you and your husband are in a good financial position so, why not devote this season of your life to raising your child? It will pay dividends well beyond any financial earnings.
3) Start saving at least a little for college now. You will thank yourself later.
4) I didn’t see specific mention of a written budget above, but it is likely you have one. Be prepared to make adjustments! Your priorities are about to change and you will need to be flexible with your budget. Go with the flow on this. See how your expenses change and re-prioritize as needed.
5) Don’t be afraid to buy used items for the baby. It is a great way to save a ton of money. We selectively bought some things new, but my wife found a lot of great deals at garage sales, kid sales, and secondhand stores.
I think you are already way ahead of the curve because of what you’ve been doing financially. I don’t think anyone can be fully prepared for how a child changes their life. Therefore, my advice is mainly centered around remaining relaxed and flexible. You’ll work the rest out.
Congrats!
December 5th, 2008 at 7:11 am
This hits close to home for me as a father of two kids, and the husband of a stay-home mom. I won’t lie, kids do add several dimensions to financial planning. Short term there is the preparation you mentioned, which is well covered by the guest articles you referenced. Long term, costs are multiplied in just about every category.
Health insurance and medical costs are more expensive. You typically have to have a larger car (for more than one or two kids), which is more expensive to buy and operate. Food budgets are higher, as are unexpected household expenditures (I get hit at least twice a month with school pictures, fundraisers, uniforms for sports teams, yearbook costs, etc, etc.).
As kids get older everything gets more expensive. Their clothes cost more, they eat more, and most like to have something to drive around 16!
The basic tenets of personal financial planning apply to kids and money as well. Start early! Start saving for braces long before they need them. Start a 529 for college when they are infants. Open a savings account for their first car while they are still driving tricycles. By spreading out the cost of these major events across many years it will help to lessen the financial impact when kids reach these milestones.
Having said all of that, children are such a blessing. The best thing Kat and her partner have done is lay a solid foundation. We started in the hole, and climbing out with two kids strapped to your back is even harder! It can be done, but had we had kids on more stable ground I think the first ten years or so would have been much easier for all involved. As it is, I spend a lot of time working, hustling side jobs, etc. not to make ends meet, but to pay off the excesses from past financial sins.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:16 am
The only thing I’ll throw out there is how are they getting to the doctor now? Babies are notorious for needing to go to the doctor. Is there a way for them to get to the doc’s office at any time needed? If not perhaps a cheap but safe vehicle might be needed? Just my two cents.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:25 am
First off, congrats!
First year:
- Expenses for estate planning ($400), term life insurance ($600) and college savings ($1,000).
- BIGGEST THING: Insurance for all family members.
Very young years:
- Expenses for health, college, food and well-being.
- BIGGEST THING: Day care expenses.
Some fun things to keep in mind:
- Our favorite place to shop is Once Upon a Child, the second-hand children’s store.
- Pictures, not videos unless on the phone, are our staple. We don’t need to spend money on a DVD camera. Plus, we download the pics into an album of a certain photo printer.
- Fresh food and excerise for all is a great investment in the long run. Don’t worry about missing your exercise program. Chasing the little one is great!
- Our son loves saving pennies, literally! Hearing the sounds in his piggy bank is great way to start teaching them!
December 5th, 2008 at 7:34 am
I’ll second those who say start a high-interest savings account for your child.
That way when they’re in school and allowance/pocket money comes up, you can show them what happens to money that’s been invested as a way to motivate them to choose to invest some of ‘their own’ money.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:37 am
1) Jason is spot on…if your employer offers a childcare Flex Spending Account… use it. It defers taxes and you’ll need the money anyway
2) Garage sales, craigslist, family and friends, ebay, goodwill, salvation army stores, etc. are all good places to find baby cloths and toys. Wash them, disinfect them, and you and your kid will be fine. They get tired of it or out grow it too fast to spend a ton of money on it.
3)start a 529 college plan…again more tax deferral and unless the government does something major, college expenses are only going up. If your kid ends up getting a scholarship then the money can be used for other things
4)Life Insurance is a must for you, your spouse, and your child. Heaven help you if something should happen but you want to make sure your family is protected if anything does. The premiums are pretty cheap anyway.
5)Medical Insurance for the kid is a must.
You’ll get a regular tax reduction anyway that will help out.
The insurance and savings plans will take a little out of pocket now but think of the long term savings you will have or the costs down the road if you don’t have them.
for me I would have to have at least 1 car. It could be a used compact car as long as its reliable. I’d hate to try and get my wife to the hospital in labor on a bicycle or the bus. That would not be a good situation. So if you have some savings you could probably buy a decent used car with little or no payment at all.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:44 am
The first year there aren’t that many new expenses, once you get past the initial bump. That initial bump of acquiring all the new baby stuff can be softened dramatically by buying used, getting stuff for free off of freecycle, etc.
When they hit about 6 months and want more ’solid’ food (mashed anything, etc.) get a blender and a bunch of small tupperwares if you don’t have one. Babyfood costs $.50 or more per little container. A single yam, banana, potato, squash, etc. is much much cheaper than that and anything but bananas freeze well. Applesauce is probably the only thing that’s cheaper to buy than make (unless you have an orchard).
Kids don’t care if their toys are fisherprice. They don’t even care if their toys are toys. Our son loves playing with an old keyboard, cups, spoons, and other household things as much as he likes his leap pad learning toys (gifts, I’d never buy them!).
December 5th, 2008 at 7:44 am
I like the emphasis on estate planning! It’s what I do for a living, but you’re right in that it’s not difficult to do, and new parents do not need an elaborate plan–you can cover the basics with wills (include simple trusts in the will for the children to hold the money past age 18), guardian nominations (usually the most difficult part) and powers of attorney for health care and finances. You can find the forms and do it yourself, but you’ll probably have questions the forms can’t answer, so an attorney is helpful and in this case, affordable.
As a parent, I’ll tell you that kids are a lot more expensive than you realize at first. You’ll probably find your budget for them growing, which in my case meant shrinking the budget for several other items. Be realistic about how much they cost.
The previous posters are right in that younger children don’t care what they wear, and if it was up to them, they wouldn’t wear anything, so they won’t notice the clothes came from Wal-Mart. Friends will also offer a lot of hand-me-downs, and your friends will appreciate your hand-me-downs later.
It will also feel good to have savings for them, so start immediately if you can.
The only thing I made money on in this process was my oldest son’s crib set–we found a barely used one at a consignment shop, used it for a couple of years, kept the blanket (he still has it!) and sold the rest on eBay for double what we paid.
Good luck, you’ll enjoy the process a lot more than you realize.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:44 am
Having raised 3 sons, who are currently ages 22, 18, and 15, and having 2 of them currently in college and the 3rd there very soon, I strongly suggest that you begin putting money aside for college.
When my oldest was in 6th grade, we started a mutual fund with $100, then deposited $25 per son into the account. Then with each pay increase that we earned, we increased that monthly deposit by $10 per son.
This has provided us with funds that we are withdrawing from at a rate of about $2000 per semester per son, without completely depleting the mutual fund.
We had a goal of having enough supplemental funding to endure through 3 sons, but because of the economy today, it will be a challenge.
At least we got out of it what we did with minimal upset to our lifestyle.
Further, we were advised not to establish this account as a 529 account, providing us with the flexibility to withdraw for any other family emergency that could arise. Unfortunately and fortunately, we have needed to withdraw for 2 urgencies with vehicle repairs.
If we had to do it over, we would have started this approach at the time my sons were born.
We may redo this approach for any future grandchildren.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:57 am
1. If you don’t live within walking distance of your pediatrician and the nearest children’s hospital, you will need a car. Even if your child is healthy you will be going to the pediatrician a lot, especially in the beginning.
2. I second what a previous commenter said, babies aren’t as expensive as you might think. Buy things used (especially furniture) and breastfeed if possible (we had to use formula and that is truly the most expensive part).
3. If you think you will have more children, look into cloth diapering. You will be able to use the diapers for multiple children, plus there are some very inexpensive ways to enter the cloth diapering world.
4. Try to start saving in a 529 right away, even if it’s just a little bit, so that you get in the habit of it.
5. But most importantly, have fun! Motherhood is a lot more fun than people let on!
December 5th, 2008 at 7:57 am
One thing I don’t think has been mentioned is that Kat should contact her HR department and find out what compensation (if any) is afforded to her during her time off. My wife stayed home for 6 months. During that time we received income from her Family Medical Leave Act, Disability from her health insurance, and she cashed in all her PTO and vacation time. So even though she was off of work for 6 months we still had a stream of income (albeit not at the same rate she was earning) still coming in.
My wife went back to work after six months to 2/3 time (thankfully, this was available for her). Speak with the HR dept and bosses to see what options are available if Kat still wishes to be employed but perhaps spend more time at home.
My wife works 2-3 days/week and this is just the right balance for her between home and work.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:00 am
DO you plan on sending your children to public or private school?
If public, start examining school districts.
You may also want to consider buying a house. If you have to move, it can men changing schools.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:03 am
One way to save when you have children is to say no… a lot. My parents had no problem saying no to the endless stuff we just had to have. A good thing because we always wanted something new one week, and something new the next. Here are my mom’s favorite money saving quotes that I give to you for free.
When we didn’t like what was for dinner: “You know where the peanut butter and jelly is.”
When we wanted something.
“You don’t need that.”
“Honey, I can’t afford that now.”
“No.”
When we were bored
“Read a book if your bored.”
“Go clean your room”
“Help me with the chores.”
My mom’s answer to what the neighbors, family, in-laws, might think.
“When they pay my bills, then they get a say in how I spend my money.”
Good advice.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Post #2…just can’t resist.
I’m not sure if I speak for any other parents…but my wife and I actually found that we saved more money after our son was born. We weren’t eating out like we had been; we stayed home; we stuck to our budget, etc.
Becoming parents caused us to focus on our priorities and this has been the best blessing for us financially. We are now focused on our budget, save for items instead of spending impetuously with credit, we max out our ROTHs, contribute 15% to our 401k/403b (I’m a teacher), and contribute regularly to our son’s 529 plan.
Yes, kids are costly, but they can also be the motivation one needs to get the house in order.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:09 am
I’m pregnant with number four (yeah!). My hubby is a construction worker and I stay at home and do a little accounting on the side. Here are some of the things we’ve done that have worked. A number of these have already been mentioned, so consider me underlining them. (We live in one of the most expensive housing markets (well, until recently anyways) in the US. If we can make it on one salary without any problem, I don’t see why it is so hard for others.)
1) A 529 plan for each kid the first year they are born. We don’t always have much to put into it, but every little bit helps.
2) Keeping my hubby and my retirement/insurance/living will up to date. This is truly a gift to the kids.
3) Staying away from trendy purchases. A new born baby needs diapers/wipes, clothes (8 or 9 outfits as they go through several a day), a car seat (even if you don’t have a car - here they won’t let you leave the hospital without it), and a little rubbing alcohol to clean the umbilical cord. Don’t buy anything else until you absolutely need it - even if people say it is a must. Every family and every baby are different and most of the ‘must haves’ we purchased for our first baby went to Goodwill years ago. Instead start putting away money for those items that you know will come up (more clothes - they grow out of them every couple months, a stroller - for little babies we actually prefer a backpack, a crib - our babies sleep with us the first year, etc.) You’ll figure out what you need by how things go once the baby is here. It’s hard to preplan this.
4) Plan ahead for larger purchases and save accordingly - we’ve known for a while that we wanted 4 kids and that when we reached that point we would no longer fit into our car. We’ve been saving for a mini-van for three years. Even if you don’t need a car right now, I would imagine that you will once the baby starts school.
5) I know it seems like preschool (at 3) and Kindergarten (at 5) are far away, but they really aren’t. Depending where you live, preschool can be pricey (in our are $275 - $500 a month). Plan ahead to pay for it. Plan ahead for where you want your child to go - sadly some preschools have such long wait lists, you have to sign up the moment the baby is born to have a fighting chance to get in.
6) Relax. A good lot of the ‘rules’ of raising babies are folklore. Let you baby tell you what he/she needs. Don’t sweat the little stuff. Babies are hardier than they look, need to be exposed to germs/dirt, and don’t need all the fancy lotions, potions, and gadgets. When your little bundle arrives he/she comes naked. Cover their bum, keep them warm, keep them fed. It is hard to screw this up.
Best wishes! Your first is REALLY a wonderful experience.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:15 am
My wife and I are contemplating children and we’ve had the same type of thoughts as the woman in the entry.
Many people have told me that kids are not expensive, but I disagree with that notion entirely!
My biggest suggestion would be to find a network that can help take care of the baby, namely family! Living near family can be the single most important factor in cutting down baby cost in relation to daycare.
After the child begins attending school, I think costs can be managed (especially if they’re going to public school). Costs increase again when the child begins attending college/university.
In sum, I think you can control costs related to raising children, but of course once has to have a plan.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:33 am
My son is 4 months old right now and is a true joy. However, he’s expensive. The money we used to spend on us, we now spend on him. We’ve also tightened up the belt and cut back in other ways. My wife is the main bread winner and we’re only getting a portion of her salary based on maternity leave benefits.
Based on what was outlined, by the reader I’d say continue to focus on debt reduction and build the emergency fund. Children will throw all sorts of unexpected expenses your way so the emergency fund and possibly an emergency line of credit could be happy.
While I advocated keeping up with the debt reduction if it’s affordable, during the first year it might be difficult to really get ahead. The key is to be thrifty and frugal in your purchasing.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:34 am
I’ll add my congratulations to your new baby.
Perhaps my comments are less of what you should be saving for (that’s been well covered) to the mindset that is required of people who have children.
Children cost money. The bigger they are, the more they cost, but we all spend money on what is important to us. Spending money on your child(ren) is, however, a significant shift in priority and lifestyle. New parents will never quite be ready for the shock to the system when diapers and formula and co-pays on doctor’s visits add up.
For all parents, discretionary spending becomes, largely, a thing of the past. I had more discretionary money when I was in college, but that doesn’t mean that you have to turn away all of your goals (travel, home, etc.).
The best advice is be flexible with your budget and know how much you’re spending. Recalculate your budget often. Know exactly how much money is going out. New parents may be surprised by how much of your money becomes tied up in necessities. As your child and family grows, this becomes ever more essential. The big dollar wants may be put off longer into the future, but, with wise spending/saving, most every goal is feasible.
One last little tip, my three children get money from relatives for their birthdays/Christmas gifts. We give our children a small percentage of that money (usually 10%) to spend. The rest goes into savings. It starts them off early understanding the principal of saving their money. That savings, then, can be used for fun activities later (such as trips to Disneyland, etc.).
December 5th, 2008 at 8:34 am
The discussion of fancy baby items and how they are more status symbols than necessities reminds me of a recent online debacle regarding Target and some Britax car seats (see for example this news source: http://www.whec.com/article/stories/S668882.shtml?cat=572).
In short, Target accidentally priced some $275 Britax car seats online for around $50 w/ free shipping. Deals websites all over the country posted it, and they ended up selling thousands of seats in a few hours (some people were buying dozens to sell on ebay for profit). It would have been a HUGE loss for Target, so they canceled most of the orders. Chaos among mothers ensued and outcries of unfairness and the like abounded. A mother scorned is NOT a pretty sight.
It was quite amusing to read various mother forums, but what really bothered me was how so many mothers felt that this was their one chance to own a fancy car seat and that Target owed it to them to sell it at a tremendous loss. Some people might argue that Britax is safer and that’s what the hullabaloo was about, but I really think it was because Britax is so expensive and a status symbol among moms. Some moms were so emotional about it (threatening to sue etc.) and bemoaning how now they couldn’t afford a safe seat (you can buy a highly rated car seat for as low as $50 on sale). It really underscores J.D.’s regular refrain that advertising manipulates us.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Breastfeed if possible for as long as possible. There are health benefits but for the purpose of this question it is MUCH cheaper.
I am a planner, so when I was pregnant I planned planned planned. Some of the plans panned out and some didn’t. For me it isn’t about sticking to the plan but having a philosophy that will direct decisions.
As far as college planning I agree it is an important expense, but looking at the specifics I have been very underwhelmed with 529/Coverdell plans (due to fees and options). DH and I have decided to plan for the whole family with college in mind, but we don’t have a specific “college fund”, at least not yet. Right now money is money and the better off we are as a family the better position we will be in to provide tuition. And there is always a chance that our little one won’t go to college, or will get a scholarship that covers everything, so other than retirement I’m not crazy about money intended for a single use like that.
IMHO while many people are blindsided because they don’t plan, some of us plan too much and can’t see the forest for the trees. As long as you have good financial principles and stick to them I don’t think you need to specifically PLAN for much. Posters have good points about really examining if you might need a car, buy used when possible, and to think about daycare expenses etc. But just keep setting your money aside and make sure your emergency account is a little bigger than when it was just the two of you. Otherwise all the advice in the world isn’t going to be specific enough, or not to your taste, and you will have to figure it out on your own anyway.
So ultimately my advice is to not worry so much.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:47 am
The most important thing Kat and her husband can do for their new family is to communicate with each other about their money. Some financial difficulties that families run into aren’t preventable, but many are. Among my friends I’ve seen that the most common financial problems have stemmed from partners assuming that they have the same goals when they don’t.
The kinds of questions they should be asking themselves and each other:
Do they both anticipate helping their child(ren) with higher education costs or does one of them think that kids are on their own after high school? The answer affects how much goes into a 529 versus a 401k.
Are they going the cloth diapers from craigslist route or disposables? Do they both agree with the answer? That affects how much disposable cash they’ll have.
Have they discussed whether buying a house in a few years is important? Are they planning for public schools or private? Are the answers to the house/school questions compatible?
If they buy a house, do they anticipate using home equity loans to pay for school/buy trucks and boats/be an emergency savings account? Do they think home equity is something you count on only when you sell a house and you never, ever touch it before then? These questions may be less relevant today than a year ago, but I’ve seen a divorce come straight out of this conflict and it wasn’t pretty, financially, for the kids.
Does either of them have strong feelings about day care, pro or con? How flexible are those ideas if one of them discovers after the baby is born that they didn’t know themselves as well as they thought?
You get my drift. The more you talk to each other the better idea you’ll have as to where to put your money. Good luck - from your letter it sounds as though you and your husband are on your way to being careful, thoughtful parents.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Here are some super basic costs that we were surprised at:
$20 to $25 (probably $100 per month)
for one can of powdered formula, usually use about 1 per week at least - try the cheap stuff, but use whatever the baby stomachs well. IF YOU CAN BREAST FEED YOU WILL SAVE TONS!!!
$15 to $30 (we average $80 a month)
one box of diapers - 1 year old averages probably 1 box a week - sure everyone says, “Well, I will just use the cheap ones!” If they work for your kid, great! But for me after cleaning up about the 10th “need a change of clothes accident” you might discover why most people pay a little more. But don’t assume that the most expensive is the best either….
Those are the two biggies - everything else can be adjusted according to how frugal you are. I would say that bare minimum expect to add at least $300 to your typical grocery bill per month for food, diapers, and misc.
The one thing I’ve found with kids - once they outgrow something and move to something cheaper (ie - formula to milk) then they pick something else up that they need (more food and need more diapers).
December 5th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Congratulations on the baby!
Also, it sounds like you’ve done a great job setting yourself up for financial success with the baby on the way. I don’t have kids myself yet, but I treated quite a few in med school… so in addition to all the great suggestions above, this is my slant on how to save money on healthcare-related issues:
Wash your hands OFTEN– this cuts down on transmission of germs (parents get sick much more frequently when their kids bring home illnesses). Then you and your husband won’t have to use up sick days to recover; you also save money on doctor’s visits.
Life insurance and health coverage is very important; please spend enough money to make sure you’re covered adequately.
When your child gets sick, call a pediatric advice line first (check with your local hospital or pediatrician to see if they recommend a particular one). This may save you time, anxiety, and the cost of a visit to the pediatrician’s office or emergency room.
Speaking of emergency rooms, please try to keep yourself and your child away from them unless it is truly an emergency. The wait is hard on young kids, the visit may be expensive depending on your health insurance plan, and there are many horrible germs in the hospital that you don’t want to expose your child to.
Good luck with your first! And babies are resilient, so don’t beat yourself up too much about doing things perfectly. Go with whatever works for you.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Life insurance was mentioned. Get a bunch with a long (say 30-year) term while you are young and healthy and it is cheap. Get it on both of you. Though your wife isn’t working, she is contributing to the household, and you’d have to pay for day care, etc., if she died.
Don’t forget long term disability insurance for both. People don’t always die when unfortunate things happen and disability isn’t cheap.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:31 am
In my experience, my husband and I were not financially prepared to have a child. Kat and her partner seem prepared and knowledgable about their finances. Before the baby arrives, Kat and her partner should communicate how they want to financially prepare for the baby and how they want to live their lives as a family. Once the baby is born, the baby will always be #1.
I think there are several things they need to consider, such as will Kat work after the baby is born? If so, who will care for the baby while they’re away at work? Do you have parents to watch your baby? Or will you send your baby to daycare? And having no car will also affect their daily life with baby. How will you take your baby to doctor’s appts?
When my husband and I had our baby, we had no money. We didn’t have any relatives to watch our baby when we were at work. We had to put our son in daycare when he was 3 months old. There was no way that I could be a stay-at-home mom. I had to work. Our rent is through the roof where we live. Daycare fees are also outrageous nowadays. My son is in preschool now and it seems like we’re paying for a private school.
Financially, my husband and I are surely but slowing getting to where we want to be. Paying off debt little by little and saving up money for ourselves and our son. Kat and her partner seem to be in a good place financially. When you start saving money for your child, the question always comes up, ’should I save for my child’s college education?’ I’ve read many personal financial blogs and the consensus is that your child can always get a loan when they go to school. But can you get a loan for your retirement? We still try to set aside in my son’s account just as much as we do for our own savings/future. We’re at least trying to save up for our son’s future.
Our lifestyle now really affects our decision on having baby #2. We’re trying to pay off our debt and save up for a house. We’re trying to get to a good place financially before we decide if we want another child. Children are hard work. We want to enjoy our child now and all of his milestones. Before you know it, your baby will be a teenager and won’t want to spend any time with you. Enjoy their younger years, it goes quick!
December 5th, 2008 at 9:33 am
I’ll 2nd RenaissanceTrophyWife on the resiliency of babies. It’s amazing how many times you can drop them on their heads with no visible effect at all!
Now might also be a good time to think of a warehouse store membership. I save a TON of money on formula and diapers. Of course you still need to do the math since not everything is a deal, but we’ve saved considerable $.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:39 am
I’m sorta in the same position as Kat, except we are not pregnant yet, but planning/thinking about it for next year.
This is what we’ve done/plan to do:
We saved $5000 for our baby fund this year.
We likely will add $10,000/$15,000 to the fund next year (we have not yet finalized our 2009 goals).
We bought a nused car this year that was larger and 4 door. We needed/wanted a new car and bought something that would work for a baby/family. We paid cash for the car.
We increased our emergency fund to $20,000 this year.
We researched life insurance this year but we did not buy.
We know that we will need to pay a nanny post birth as we both work and want to continue working. We’ve started thinking about that issue, finding out how much it will cost and the optins.
We want to do college pre-pay for the baby and we will want to do that early so we’ve started thinking about how much that costs as well.
We will need to send the baby to private school and we’ve started thinking/researching how much that costs.
But what we don’t plan to do is sacrifice our future for the baby’s future (i.e. put college ahead of our retirement savings). Instead we plan to keep our expenses flat (this past year we saved $50,000) keep putting money away for our retirement and our long term and short term goals.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Regarding whether to save for retirement or set up a 529, keep in mind that you can do both with a Roth IRA if your joint income is less than $169,000. A Roth IRA isn’t the best choice if you’re absolutely sure that you want to pay a lot for your child’s college education, but it’s a great idea if you’re on the fence. In particular, if your child gets a scholarship and you need to pay much less than you planned for, a Roth IRA is a much better choice.
-Tea
December 5th, 2008 at 9:42 am
This second post, separate on purpose, isn’t exactly on topic. I just want to share my sister’s experience with a new baby to demonstrate that a baby doesn’t necessarily mean you have to spend more money.
For the first year of my nephew’s life, my sister did not have *any* increased expense. She bought cloth diapers on craigslist and resold them later (several times as he changed size). No net expense. She was able to breast feed (not universally possible, but usually an option) so no expense for formula. Sure, he ate some regular food, too, as he got teeth, but she just mushed up some of their food for him so no extra expense. They did co-sleeping (again a choice that’s not for everyone) so no expense for crib or bedding. Clothing was given by friends with older babies and then passed on to other families. No expense for clothing. The few toys he played with were given happily as gifts from aunts, uncles, grandparents so no expense for toys.
They did have to shell out some money for health insurance, but it was recovered at tax time with the additional dependent deduction and the child tax credit. They also incurred expense for his birth, but that was offset (quite unexpectedly) by a decrease in my sister’s wardrobe costs. She is a stay at home mom and when she no longer needed fashionable work clothing she found she was dressing in casual second-hand clothes and saved a ton.
This post in NOT NOT NOT meant to say that everyone can or will want to have this same experience with a child. I just like to provide a different perspective than is commonly found. Enjoy your new baby!
December 5th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I’ll add a wrinkle I don’t see covered yet. My daughter was diagnosed with cerebral palsy at 15 months old. She has a very mild case, but there is still a great deal of physical therapy involved, as well as some orthotics. As I write this, we are two and a half weeks past her rhizotomy surgery at St Louis Children’s Hospital, which should eliminate the spasticity in her legs and enable her to live an almost completely “normal” life.
We have spent close to $6000 on therapy presurgery and will spend probably about the same now that it’s over. This is in addition to the therapy we had for close to two years before we decided on the surgery. PT is covered at a very limited level by most health insurance.
This is not a booga-booga post, but another point of view. No one should plan for a special needs child. But if you have your financial house in order, and have substantial savings and good insurance, you will find life much, much easier should that happen.
And I would not trade my child for anyone or anything in the world. =)
December 5th, 2008 at 10:02 am
I have a toddler at home and a new baby on the way. My wife has a good job with a good salary so I stay home and do daddy daycare.
Our friends bought very expensive cribs, strollers, and clothes. We can afford these things, but found our baby stuff by going to garage sales, using freecycle on Yahoo Groups, and finding clothes at Goodwill. With the money we saved, we put money into our child’s college savings fund.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:24 am
I have 2 in college now–and I sure wish we’d had 529 options available when they were babies. Hindsight really is 20-20. Take advantage of the current market drop–when it rebounds, boy, you’ll do really well. And you have at least 15 years to realize gains.
I agree with Don #37 about long term disability insurance. It’s a key component along with TERM life.
Your retirement comes first. Best gift you can give your kids is NOT having to take care of you financially when you’re old.
Breast feed, breast feed, breast feed! And make your own baby food. It is way healthier as well as cheaper. You can always freeze purees in the ice cube tray & pop them into a baggie for freezer storage. And babies don’t have to have juice in their bottles–if all they get is fresh water, they drink when they are truly thirsty, not just to get sugar.
I can’t advise about work–I set myself up as a consultant while I was pregnant so I could continue to work as a Mom. But as soon as I saw that baby, I didn’t want to do anything else but be her parent. I was a stay-at-home for 10 years; we have 2 girls. The toughest adjustment was going from an executive position where no one assumed I was stupid to becoming a full-time Mom where everyone (like salesmen, vendors, the UPS guy)assumed I was brainless or at least needed to have my husband make all the decisions. But, being at home opens up other opportunities–useful community & volunteer work is powered by people not tied to the 9-5 work day. I am fortunate that after my 10-yr hiatus I was able to tiptoe back into my field working freelance primarily from home, [god bless the Internet] so I was able to maintain a flexible schedule. Ten years ago I incorporated, I’m still a one-woman shop with my main office at home, but I travel into NY to see my clients as often as needed, generally once or twice a week.
Remember–and this is true–when you have children the days are very long, but the years are very short. Please enjoy them. Make memories. You can always make money.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Several people mentioned term life insurance and someone mentioned disabililty insurance - both of these are important, but most important is to get them NOW. If you leave work after the birth of the child, the amount of either insurance you can get is limited, as they are based on your earnings (in part for life, completely for disability). A homemaker has no income, and therefore no income to insure. Get a non-cancelable disability insurance policy now, because even though you don’t get paid for it, no one is going take care of your children for free if you become disabled. For life insurance it’s not such a big deal, though you can get a bigger policy with an income than without one. But disability insurance is impossible to get (ask me how I know) once you leave work.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:39 am
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is that there is a tendancy, especially with the first kid, to really focus on them to the exclusion of other relationships, particularly each other.
I recommend before the baby is born the two of you budget for and set up some alone time on the calander a few months out. Nothing fancy, lunch and a matinee, concert in the park, etc.. One of the best things for any child is a solid, loving, home life and you still have to take time to work at that since it can often be the easiest thing to take for granted.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Without reading the above comments and at the risk of repeating what someone may have already said, when deciding how to direct your money to either:
a) savings for the child(ren)’s future educational expenses or
b) savings for you and your partner/spouse’s future retirement
remember this. Your child can borrow money (as painful as it may be) to go to school in addition to being awarded scholarships/grants but no one (perhaps not even Uncle Sam and Social Security) is going to help you pay for your retirement. And, as in the case of the article’s subject, if you’re already out of debt now, you certainly don’t want to set yourself up to have to live in debt when you retire. My $.02
December 5th, 2008 at 10:51 am
1. Children will have a lot of different opportunities to gather money from college, i.e. scholarships, military, grants, etc. You only have one shot at getting retirement right. Estimate amount of money you will need each month at retirement then how much per year. Multiply that by the number of years you expect to live after retirement and that is appx how much you need to have saved by retirement (don’t forget about inflation.) Now figure out how much you need to contribute each month from now until retirement and the return you need to reach that magic number. Any disposable income left over after making that monthly payment can be put into college savings. Too many parents do college first and retirement second and then spend 10 more years in the workforce that what is necessary.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Kids change almost everything financially.
You have new budget categories (diapers/baby clothes/formula/baby food/education/health care etc)
You end up with less time alone as a couple, so you don’t go out socially as much (at least for the first few years)
When you do start to spend time together as a couple again, you have childcare expenses
Social excursions and vacations become more family-focused
You start re-evaluating everything about the way you live including what you drive, where you live, your child care situation, who you spend time with, how often you visit family.
Living as three instead of two is an entirely different lifestyle and the ramifications are different for every family. Some things will change because they have to, some things will change because you want them to.
But it’s so worth it
December 5th, 2008 at 11:13 am
WILL
Get a will - even if it is one of the cheap do-it-yourself CD kits. Why? Because in some states (such as Virginia), if you don’t have a will, all life insurance assets go directly to the child (even if the spouse is named on the policy).
What this means is that you could buy a $1 million short-term policy on your spouse, so that if the unfortunate happens, you’ll have enough money to raise your child to adulthood/financial independence. However, you don’t get a will, so instead the money is awarded to the children, placed in an escrow account, and held there until they are adults - with the added complication that you must show up in court every year to justify how well you are investing their money. You end up having NOTHING to help your children when you really need it, and then when the kids are old enough that they can take care of themselves - they’re suddenly millionaires. In some states, if you don’t have a will, it can make having life insurance essentially useless as a disaster-planning tool.
BABY SEAT
Many hospitals won’t allow you to leave without one. This (and a baby mattress) are the only two things that you absolutely should buy new - everything else can be used.
LIFE INSURANCE
Term will give you the best bang for your buck. If you take the approach that life insurance is to help provide for your family without hardship in your absence, you don’t really need it once your children are adults - this makes 30 year term insurance ideal.
TRANSPORTATION
Kids need to go to the doctor’s office often. And even if you are within walking distance of a pediatrician, you child may need to see a specialist for some reason. For example, my son was a breach baby, so my doctor wanted a specialist to look at his hips to ensure that being in the wrong position for the last few weeks hadn’t caused any problems.
SAVINGS
Ultimately, children do have the potential to get scholarships, grants, and student loans - whereas the same things are not provided for your retirement. Max out your retirement options first; then set money aside for college education.
There are a few schools of thought when it comes to college education savings:
*529 plan - you place money aside into a 529 plan (formerly called an education IRA). Money is held for future education costs and grows tax-free. Money in a 529 cannot be included in federal formulas for financial need. Each state has one, and you can use any state’s plan for any school (public or private). What many people don’t know is that each states’ 529 plan has different overhead costs and different managers - so some are better than others. For instance, Utah has one of the best performing 529s, with very low overhead costs. One downside is that money can ONLY be used for designated educational costs - such as tuition and books. This could cause some problems. For instance, it might only cover books from the college bookstore - forget buying them online. Or maybe only on-campus housing or food from campus eateries. Other living expenses during college (like a car and gas) will need to come from other sources. Also, a 529 may not be useful if your child decides to take an alternative educational route (I’m not sure if you can use a 529 for trade schools). Or if your child manages to get through school on scholarships (as I did) or doesn’t use it all up because they went to a community college, the money won’t become available to that child without penalty until they are 35. Yes you can roll the money over into a sibling’s 529, but what if you only have one child? or your youngest just finished school? Waiting until they’re 35 can be a long time to wait to have access to any leftover money, and your kids might need it before then (like to buy or renovate their first house).
*Gifts to Minors Act - basically set up any type of account (stock, mutual fund, money market, bonds) in your child’s name, with you as a guardian. Any one household can place up to (I think) $20K in any one child’s name per year. The guardian has control over the accounts until the child turns 18. From there, it’s theirs. The child can use it for anything - tuition, books, car expenses, food, a one-time $20,000 trip to Cancun… assuming they know it exists. Since the money can be used for anything, you don’t have to worry about what happens if there is any extra money leftover after college - it could be used for the downpayment for a first car or house. (My family actually went this route. I didn’t use ANY of my college fund because I was able to get academic scholarships, work part-time, and get family assistance. I have the option of using my old college fund for an emergency fund, my husband’s law school costs, and seed money for retirement/house downpayment/my son’s own college fund.
*Save up your own money in a designated account. This gives you total control and flexibility with the money. If one child needs a lot of money for grad school while another needs none because they aren’t going to college or are going on scholarships, you can account for that. If there’s any money leftover, you can use it for retirement. If you have some major, unexpected emergency before college, you have the option of using it if absolutely necessary. Like a minors account, if you invest wisely, you might actually outperform a 529 (some of them do have significant yearly overhead costs). It’s in your control, so you can prevent a splurge to Cancun. However, if you aren’t that great at picking investments (or you don’t have much will-power), it could really hurt you and your kids.
Depending on the family’s income, number of dependents, future plans (such as a spouse going to grad school later or your own retirement options), and financial savvy, any of the three options could be valid. Each one has separate tax and future financial aid implications. The tax implications, in particular, will be very specific to your state and your household. However, I caution you to NOT make avoiding taxes your primary concern (after all, you can avoid a lot of taxes by not making any money). Focus on best return and what will be best overall for your family.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:28 am
I find it interesting that so many of you are recommending *buying* a car instead of merely *obtaining access* to one on the few occasions they need it. Many cities have formal car-sharing services (i.e. Zipcar), and of course taxis, but it would also be reasonable to set up bartering arrangements with friends and family for car rides to the doctor.
A little creativity can go a long way in the carfree lifestyle. See Divorce Your Car, How to Live Well Without a Car, etc.
In many states, the hospital will not allow you to leave with the baby unless you have a car seat, so you will need one before the birth, even if you’re taking baby home on the bus.
(Mind you, this is a childfree, carfree person, so I don’t have direct experience. But this is what I imagine when I do imagine caring for a child.)
December 5th, 2008 at 11:34 am
My husband and I were both in graduate school when we had our son. Our biggest expenses were healthcare (crappy student insurance), term life, food (I had to supplement with formula) and diapers. We accepted clothes and things from everyone who offered to give us things. Network with other mothers in your area and you will realize that everything gets handed down….you too will have so much stuff that you will THANK other mothers who want your stuff!
If you do need formula, ask at the pediatrician’s office for samples. They have tons and give it to you if you ask.
For formula and diapers, go from cheaper to more expensive options to try out which one works for your child. Use each for a week (unless there is a very major reaction) before moving on to the next.
I don’t know if Kat or her husband is planning to stay at home with the baby? Our son is almost 4 years old now and we stagger our work hours so our son does not have to go to full-time preschool.
But most important, pad your e-fund as much as possible. Especially if you go the daycare route, you will have a lot of medical bills and even some ER visits. You will need a car and car-seat. The hospital will not discharge you otherwise, and babies need to see the doctor often, sometimes unplanned, sometimes at weird hours.
And, Congratulations! Enjoy the ride. It is the most fulfilling thing you will ever do.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Like some, I suggest setting up a 529 as soon as they are born with some money (75/month?) taken out regularly. If any relatives ask what they need say “college.” You can get all the typical baby gifts for relatively little at thrift stores or yard sales.
You can adjust your contributions over time based on how much of the eventual expenses you think they should handle themselves. Be in a position to decide on merit rather than simply based on the remaining time to save until they start college
December 5th, 2008 at 11:40 am
I’m going to give a hearty “amen!” to what Martin said about children not giving a hoot about most stuff that is marketed for babies. Skip the uber-expensive stroller, crib, and clothes. Your financial well-being is much more important than impressing your fellow parents.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
JD, Aren’t your cats going to go to college? 4 cats in college could exhaust your savings !!!!!
Ha Ha!
Have a great Friday! A great post!
Catherine
December 5th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
After our first baby, we were a little surprised at how many medical bills we got. We talked with a number of people (doctors, insurance companies) before our son was born and they all said a typical birth would cost around $1500 with the insurance we had at the time.
We figure we ended up spending around $4500. My advice? Save more for medical costs. Get in touch with your insurance company and make sure you have a handle on what your out-of-pocket max is before the insurance company picks up the entire tab. Then shoot for saving that much.
If all goes well, you’ll have some extra money to pay off bills, save, take a vacation when the baby gets old enough to leave with grandma, or whatever. If things get complicated? My wife spent a week in the hospital before having our second son, and he was in the ICU for 12 days. Total costs (before insurance) were about $70,000. Our out-of-pocket max is $6000, so now we’re paying off those bills and wishing we’d had more set aside.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
On retirement savings: lots of folks mentioned that you’ve got limited time to save for retirement vs the kid having time to earn/payback college debt… plus there’s the whole issue with scholarship eligibility being affected by how much you’ve designated for his education expenses. But what I don’t think anyone has mentioned is that the lifetime earnings of women WITH CHILDREN are consistently lower than women without, and men of either genre. Sociologists spend a lot of time talking about the reasons why, but for your purposes, you might want to keep this in mind as you’re figuring out how to allocate funds to your IRAs or other retirement vehicles. And remember, if you (or your spouse) take time off to be a stay-at-home, your lifetime earnings for the calculation of social security will also be affected, so sock away even more in your own retirement accounts!
On the car front: yes, access to transportation might work out (as opposed to *buying* a car) but with a kiddo you really need to have access when you need it, and having to work around availability in a car sharing program may not work. That said, don’t feel that you have to run out and buy the big safe SUV with six doors. Even a hatchback, while admittedly a pain in the tuchas for the first year while the kid is rear-facing, isn’t insurmountable. And you might be able to pick one up used from some other set of parents who are convinced that their little car simply won’t do anymore.
Budget tip on carseats: once you get out of the bucket (probably about 6 months?) you’ll want to find a seat with high weight AND height limits. There’s nothing more frustrating than buying the good car seat (which is pricey!) and discovering that *your* child grows like a weed and now you have to buy a *new* convertible carseat because he’s still too little/young for a booster but too tall to be safe in the one you already own.
On entertainment: once you manage to trust your new baby to a babysitter (and for some people, this takes quite a long time) and if you’re not able to convince someone in the extended family to do it, you’ll want to plan for the cost of the babysitter in your date night budgeting. (Lots of people will expect in the neighborhood of $7-11/hour, and expect it to be on the higher end if you’re not talking about the 12-year-old who lives down the street. An alternative: search out other young families and trade date nights!)
If you’re not already a member of your local botanic garden, zoo, and/or museum of nature and science, you might want to budget in a membership to one or more places. Usually, until your kid is two, you can get away with the “plus one” membership which will get you and your spouse in while the babe is free; they usually run in the neighborhood of $50 each. A family membership (for the older kids) will be closer to $80/year. Even though Jr. won’t be squealing about the zebras until he’s closer to a year or more, *you’ll* appreciate having a destination when you just need to get out of the house… and a movie or coffeeshop is no longer so easy. Plus if you have a membership you won’t get frustrated when you have to go home after 30 minutes because of a diaper blowout or temper tantrum or whatever.(And another budget tip: these are great to request as “experience” gifts from the grandparents.)
On buying used: search out a neighborhood parents group. Aside from potentially meeting other parents in your area (and opening the possibility of a babysitting coop!) if they maintain an on-line mailing list, you’ll hear about the gear people are looking to part with first (often at a discount over what they’d sell it to you off Craigslist) as well as the packed-with-baby-goods garage sales.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
We are planning to have kids within the next year or two and some of the things we plan to do are:
1. Buy mostly used stuff unless it is a safety issue. (We already do this for other things)
2. Use cloth diapers.
3. Spend money on experiences versus material things. For example, a family trip to the zoo versus a new bike. Quality time is more valuable than material things.
4. 529 savings (starting small). I believe education is the best investment for his/her future. Again, less emphasis on material things.
-Charlotte
December 5th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Priorities?
A Will.
Life insurance on both of you, make sure you give some thought to what happens if you die together and leave your child alone.
Medical insurance (since you live in the states yes? Not Canada where we are all covered).
Top up that emergancy fund. 3 months might not do it anymore, you may want more like 6.
Your retirement savings (this can but doesn’t have to include home ownership)
Tax free savings in any form, in Canada there are a number of ways to do this RRSP, TFSA, RESP etc, take advantage of what ever is available where you are.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
I disagree with the poster who said the homemaker has no income to insure with life insuance. Not on paper perhaps, but if the spouse who stays home passes away, the children have to go somewhere so the working spouse can still work. You have to do what makes sense for you, but in our case, we had three sons in three years and live thousands of miles of relatives. For 20 dollars a month, I’m insured for 500,000. It’s piece of mind for me, as the homemaker, not only for my children but for my husband.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Since the relationship between the parents is described as a partnership instead of a marriage, estate planning and child support need to be the first priorities to protect the interests of the child. After that, you can worry about which partner will be saving, which partner will be supporting, and which partner will be spending.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
A couple things I thought of immediately when reading this post:
Detract from retirement savings to pay for kid’s education? Personally, no. I subscribe to the thought that “there are sources of money to help fund your child’s education–no one else is willing to pay for your retirement”.
When you decide if one parent will stay home while your child is young, make sure you revisit that decision at least every year or so. Our daughter turns 3 this month, and Trophy Wife, who generally stays home, is picking up the pace with her two home businesses (Arbonne and freelance writing & editing). That “picking up the pace” puts more burden on me–which is fine if that’s communicated and expected, and can lead to problems if it’s not!
December 5th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Hi
It’s probably been mentioned before here but I’ll weigh in with my experience on kids and money as well
Take as much “charity” as people are prepared to throw at you…especially for first babies. Use the thrift shops for most things. I found cloth nappies a total PITA (especially for boys)… so I saved elsewhere to afford disposables. You’ll figure out what savings in time come before savings in cash.
Okay. If I were doing this again and knew what I know now, this is the one big thing I would have done as soon as I knew I was pregnant.
I’d have set up a fund specifically for the teen years for each of my kids. Once your child gets to highschool, the expenses they incur are nearly always “Arbitrary Necessities”.
There are Dance Lesson term fees
The Cricket Club fees
The Footy Club fees (We live in Australia so Aussie Rules Footy for my son here)
There are the school text books
The mobile phone pre-paid costs
Allowances of course
Clothes for work, school
Camp fees
Ack…the list is endless so you hopefully get my drift.
You may want an entirely separate account for the grocery bill! Teenage boys EAT like proverbial very-hungry-caterpillars.
Set up an account for the years between 11 and 21.
Seriously! If I’d done that when my babes were little and put just a small amount aside in the early years…these years now would have been so much less financially stressful
Hope that everything goes well for you all.
Happy Christmas and New Year and CONGRATULATIONS
December 5th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
We don’t have kids yet but will hopefully be there in a few years. I like reading about the preparation now, even when we’re not at that point. I know you’re never truly prepared for the change, but I want to be as ready as possible. Like I know my ability to save will probably drop after kids, so I’m trying to increase my savings now. I’ve started looking into day care, pre-school and communities with good public schools to know how much these will cost. I wish Kat and her growing family luck.
December 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
I had this same dilemma last time this year. We had our first baby in April, and as the household CFO, I was terrified.
But, now that he’s here, the only real changes as far as investment strategy was opening and fully funding a 529 plan. You can put $2,000 and take a state tax deduction for that amount, each year.
We still fund our retirement accounts. We still put money in savings.
Babies don’t really change much, as they aren’t as expensive as you’d think.
Of course, I work from home as a freelance writer, so I am lucky that I can avoid daycare.
If you do plan to keep working , start shopping for a daycare right now. That will be the most expensive part of having a baby.
Once you know what that costs, you can figure out how much you have left to devote to retirement savings and 529 plans.
Food, clothes, etc. for babies aren’t that expensive. We spend about $350 a month on the baby, and most of that is the 529 contribution.
Good luck!
December 5th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Me and my wife have a 4 month old boy. The biggest thing for us has been not falling for the advertising that tells you just how much stuff you need for your child. If you believe it all, then you’ll spend a fortune on things that you really don’t need, or only use for a month or two.
Prior to our sons birth, we spent very little. We bought most things for his nursery second hand (eBay etc), or were given things (clothes etc) as gifts when he was born. Now he’s here, our costs haven’t really increased. My wife is breastfeeding, so we don’t spend anything on food. We bought washable nappies, so after the initial outlay, this is a small cost to wash them.
We are planning to save for his future which will cost something each month in savings, but it sounds like you are far more prepared on that front than the majority of people.
Overall, it sounds like you’ve got things sorted - just apply the same philosophy regarding money that you have now once the baby’s here and you’ll be fine. Most of all, just remember that once he or she arrives, you’ll be so happy that these worries will be the last thing on your mind
December 5th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
I agree with Jen, about being prepared for all contingencies. My second child was born with a condition which required a lot of medical treatments. Even though we had great insurance which covered all the treatments, my husband decided to leave his job so he could care for her at this time. Since we kept our expenses well below our income, we were able to manage on one income.
Life & short & long term disability insurance and estate planning are really important.
The choice dh & I made re: college funds was to NOT put money into 529s until we’d maxed our tax-sheltered retirement options. So we max our 401ks, then our Roth IRAs, then start on the 529s. The Roth money is “swing” money - we can spend it on college if we need it, or we can use it for retirement if one of our kids chooses not to go to college.
Good luck.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I do not comment on technical finance; what I underline is that kids are a privilege today.
December 5th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Marriage would be a good idea it gives an identification dimension. I went round-and-round with a civil servant in Puerto Rico about my first born’s birth certificate. I wanted my last name on it not my wifes maiden name. Marriage is about $250 and payback is under a year. Ok full disclosure would be I’m a church going, gun owning, Sarah Palin voting type of guy and that whole world view is part of the reason I’m recommending marriage.
Anyways, you mentioned nest-egg: good. With a real cash balance opportunities to save more money come up. It’s ironic but true, you’ll see what I mean if you folks are new to a nice fat emergency fund.
If your health insurance isn’t good consider one of you changing to an employer that will offer it. There is going to be more to life than the $/hr. Start thinking quality of life not bottom line.
A boring part of a financial plan (ranks right up there with emergency fund) would be his & hers term life insurance. This is about $40 a month and transfers crushing rough-life risk away from the kid.
Next I would be sure and latch on to any subsidized money. Tax Saver’s Credit, ETIC, Child something or another (if you are low tax bracket). Or just tax deferral of defined contributions if you are high tax bracket. Payback is about $200-$2,000 year, and the behavior that makes the credit available to you increases your networth. That’s parental.
My last point: a modest 529-esa thing could be done if you still have leftover funds. Guaran-dang-tee you will change your family tree one way or the other. You might as well be changing it for the better. Payback is better cashflow in 18 years, which is important but certainly lower urgency than anything else I mention.
December 5th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I would like to weigh in on the side of you don’t necessarily *need* a car. I’m speaking from my own experience. Here are my details:
I live in a major metropolitan area with extensive public transit and our house is virtually above a subway station.
I have a 3-year old daughter and we have never owned a car.
For most trips with her now and when she was a baby we took public transit. If we needed to go somewhere more inaccessible we got a zip car.
For planned weekends away we rented a car from the local place down the street.
On the one occasion when we needed a car in the middle of the night for an emergency we called a cab.
For us it just does not make financial sense to own a car. My husband walks to work and my monthly unlimited transit pass is $110 and even if we owned a car I would still buy the pass to take transit to work.
Our average monthly expenditure on transportation is $200-$250, including my pass, occassional fares for my husband and daughter, occasional zip car usage and approximately one rental a month.
I know that there are large parts of North America (I’m Canadian) where this would not be feasible but I just wanted to weigh in that you should really assess your own needs and location. Don’t let anyone tell you that you *need* a car. There have definitely been a couple of times where it would have been nice to have a car but they would not have been worth the estimated $500/month cost to maintain it even if we bought it with cash.
A car is not an asset. It’s a tool that some people need because of their lifestyle choices but I’m just saying that the choice to have a child does not necessarily mean your lifestyle requires a car.
Just my two cents.
December 5th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
To answer some of the recurring questions in this thread:
1. On college - We started a college plan this year a;ready.
2. On working or staying-at-home - My work is output-based. I am negotiating with my superior to allow me to work from home (which is a five minute walk away from the office) one or two days a week. We can also bring kids to work on Fridays. So that leaves me with 2-3 days when I would need a sitter. I also have other online-based gigs which thankfully renewed my contract for next year.
3. On buying a car - There are two hospitals near our place. We really decided to live in this area since everything is within walking distance. So we have no plans to buy a car.
So far, we do plan on opening the savings account for our baby soon.
I agree with the comments that health care will be the biggest cost for this phase. We can only address that by padding up our emergency fund.
I did not anticipate life and disability insurance. So thank you for bringing that up. I will start researching on them. Same with estate planning.
Ultimately, we are enjoying this time when we are getting to know her. So we are keeping things simple for now — we will save up as much as we can and continue our simple lifestyle. We decide on how to allocate the money after a few months, when we finally get the hang of this.
Again, thanks for your advice.
December 6th, 2008 at 6:11 am
Babies are incredibly cheap, but a few things I would add with small children:
Limit television severely. You would not believe the stuff they don’t need when they don’t know about it. (PS. you can’t limit television if there’s more than one in a main room of the house.)
Likewise, stay out of stores. I found early on that if I wasn’t out shopping, they didn’t want anything. (Also, neither did I.)
When you are shopping, say no, always. I had to retrain when I became lax with my “Okay”s, and the requests went up, as did the whining. It was fun to realize I could get through a long supermarket trip with three young kids and not hear one request for some item or another. (I saw them looking, longingly, but quietly.) You’ll feel mean, and you’ll think it’s only a dollar, but they’ll forget when they pull out of the parking lot.
The real trouble with kids is they will nickel and dime you to death.
Finally, delayed gratification is critical. I watch these kids getting Xbox 360’s when they’re 8 years old– 8! $600 of equipment bought for them by someone else! And we wonder why they get to college and drown with credit cards–after they’ve spent their whole lives getting what they want like magic. Spending your thirteenth year saving your $5 a week allowance for a Wii will cure a whole lot of that. (My universal response to non-saving kids– Oh, you want to spend my money on it, but not your money? Interesting plan you have there.)
December 6th, 2008 at 6:20 am
If you finished college and started to work, then start saving, don’t wait to get married or for the baby to come first.
Save for yourself too, maybe you need to go o vacation, etc. Remember! Bible says: Proverbs 21:20 “The wise man saves for the future, but the foolish man spends whatever he gets.” You need to learn to live on a margin. That means live on less than you make. John D.Rockefeller said many times, “Save 10%, tithe 10%, live on 80%.” Obviously that worked for him. He was a very wealthy and influential person. I think the principle of living on a margin applies also to our time.
If she needs the car? my answer is Yes. You never know when you need it. If you need something really fast from the pharmacy, market, or big shops to buy some tools or whatever you buy, you need this asset, sometimes is cheaper to have a car.
How many homes have fallen apart because kids are being ignored while parents are too busy making money to buy things for the kids? So, my advice for them is take care of you child first, and the money will come. But, save, save and also don’t limit yourselves to much from good things.
December 6th, 2008 at 6:27 am
We were in the same position and had to make the decision betweeen buying a house or my quitting my job. We (I, mostly) decided to buy the house and then I had to remain working, but I knew that I didn’t want to raise my kids in an apartment forever. Since it was a conscious decision, I don’t feel resentful when I go to work. Now I am home on maternity leave with my second child and have been able to be home for 6 months and I plan to return to work part time. I think part time work is the best solution if you can find a way to do it.
December 6th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
There is a lot of good advice here. We didn’t find our son expensive at all for most of his growing up years, but we are not extravagant people and had definite thoughts about how he would be raised. I find those figures on how much it takes to raise a child totally ludicrous. We never bought into the latest in clothes, toys, etc. Hand me downs, thrift shops, yard sales, and birthday and Christmas gifts from family and friends easily supplied us with plenty to clothe and entertain our son (usually we had an excess of clothes and toys to pass on to others). He did start wanting certain costly clothes in high school, but he’d work for them or request them as gifts. As far as food, after we were done with formula and baby food, he just ate what we would eat. Our food budget didn’t change.
Day care can be outrageous. Home day care can be far more economical. We knew a lady who had just retired and wanted to babysit a few kids. She was the only babysitter our son ever had and is considered his third “grandmother.”
We did not allow our son to have any video game systems until he was 15. He remained more of a child, stayed engaged with books and typical child play (playing outdoors and playing sports), and that kept wants and expenses way down. That may sound outrageous, but he even thanked us for it later saying that all his friends’ younger siblings just played video games all the time, mostly not interacting with anyone. He was allowed to play some computer games as he was growing up.
We also kept him to one activity at a time until he was in high school (and then they need multiple activities to qualify for college), which kept expenses reasonable but, more importantly kept him more grounded and not overloaded.
The biggest expense is definitely now while he’s in college. Yes, we did have a 529 plan (that’s a must IMO), BUT remember that the 529 plan ONLY covers tuition. There are a lot more expenses for college, like textbooks, room and board, etc. Ideally, your child can work a part-time job to help with expenses. (Right now, there are few jobs where he is. We won’t allow him to be a pizza delivery guy because of the wear and tear on our car and he’s not in the safest area for this job.) We actually bought stock in utitlities from his birth until he was 12. Then we purchased the 529 plan in a lump sump purchase. Even after that purchase we had several thousand left for other educational expenses. The most we ever spent per month on the stock purchases was $150. I know in general stocks can be scary, but I know we spent far less than if we’d done the by-the-month 529 plan. If you can’t afford a 529 plan or one that covers 4 years of college, going to community college the first two years can be a fantastic reasonable tuition option, and costly room and board is eliminated, too (although there may be some commuting costs). In our state, students are guaranteed acceptance at a 4-year school after two years with a 2.0 GPA at community college.
December 6th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Re: daycare, yes the cost is expensive. IMO you do get what you pay for.
My choice was for a center. I’m an impatient person and a short-fused mother. I projected those feelings onto day care providers. I’d rather my children spend their days with caregivers who are supervised, and who have some backup so they can take a short break if they are at risk of losing their temper.
Also, it is my observation that sometimes homebased care is best for younger children, those under 3. By the time a child is 3 or 4 they really benefit from being with their peers in a preschool or daycare setting.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:28 am
@Shirley — very interesting post! I have two young kids, and we plan to do most of what you were able to do with your son.
One correction about 529s — you can use the money to cover other expenses beyond tuition:
From the IRS (http://www.irs.gov/publications/p970/ch08.html):
“Qualified education expenses. These expenses are the amounts paid for tuition, fees, books, supplies, and equipment required for enrollment or attendance at an eligible educational institution (defined in the next column).
They also include the reasonable costs of room and board for a designated beneficiary who is at least a half-time student.” (You scared me, I had to double-check!
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December 7th, 2008 at 8:18 am
@TosaJen–thanks so much for your feedback! I apologize for scaring you. I should have clarified regarding the 529 plan. I do understand the IRS rules. I don’t know what state you are in and what specific plans are offered. However, we selected the Virginia Prepaid Tuition Plan because it guarantees that tuition will be fully paid for the period you choose (in our case, 4 years) and also covers some fees. That plan does NOT cover room and board. The plan that covers tuition, room, board, and textbooks is a trust, which does NOT guarantee that these expenses will be covered when the child enters college. It’s subject to market conditions and the more you spend for qualified expenses, the more quickly it gets eaten up. If that were my only option, I don’t think I’d choose it. I’d rather invest money on my own. We already know that we will get “more” for our money with the prepaid tuition plan. Our son is in his third year of college and the money we used to purchase the plan is almost “expended,” but we still are guaranteed next semester and next year. Virginia shows you the remaining amount on your yearly statements in case you should opt out of college and want your remaining funds back. Anyway, here’s the info on the choices we have in VA now. http://www.virginia529.com/LearnComparison.asp
When we initially purchased the plan, we only had the first two options, that’s why I just referred to the tuition plan and the trust. However, I’d make the same choice again if I had to, but I just wanted to make everyone aware of considerations re: the tuition plan. Thank you for showing it was not as black and white as I presented. You do have to look at all the options though. With costs dramatically increasing, I think the guaranteed plan is still the best, but I don’t know how dramatically costs of purchasing plans have increased.
@HollyP–You raise good points, too. I do think you really need prior knowledge and recommendations about home day care (just like the other day care) to ensure its safety and viability. And, yes, I didn’t mention that once our son was 3 he started going to preschool, at first two days a week for half days and then at age 4, three days a week for half days. (Still a very reasonable well-established preschool in our area … half days were just right for his age.) Then he started kindergarten the following year. In addition to the one or two other children with the babysitter (usually her granchildren), there also were other children next door to the babysitter so he usually had a small group of children to interact with during the day. It’s a situation that worked well for us and has for many others, but I know it’s not always the case. I do know folks who want children and have opted not to have any more because they can’t afford the commercial (for lack of a better word) day care costs for more children. I am not disputing the quality of that care, however, that just seems very sad to me. I think there are other options for many.
December 8th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I offer this suggestion cautiously, as I am NOT a parent:
Provide for a child-caretaker in the event you both die. No, it’s not pleasant to think about, but do you want the state deciding who raises your children? My brother asked me if I would godparent his son, and I took a weekend to think it over - not because I don’t love them, but because I DO. Accepting godparenting responsibilities also means I’d be willing to raise my nephew if, God forbid, anything happens to my brother and his wife. Since I am not the chicken of spring, I also suggested my brother have a fall-back plan in the event I die first. I strongly suggest you make these choices WHILE you have choices; you need to discuss between you, and with the potential childcaretakers, who is actually going to do it. You think your brother and his wife are going to do it, but she thinks her sister and her husband will, and her MOM thinks SHE will? Time to find out who you want who is able and willing. Mom is willing, but she’s 70 and not in good health? Sis is willing, but you’re not crazy that she doesn’t go to church every week? Brother goes to church every week, but isn’t willing? Find out, make informed choices.
December 8th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Again, for what it’s worth: I think Shirley@76 offered one of the smartest suggestions I’ve ever seen: putting an age-limit privilege on something for her son. I think if you and your husband talk now, it would be wise to rough out a calendar for your children of when they can look forward to certain adult privileges: dating at X age, getting a license at X age, using the car at X age, a limit of X amount of time on the computer INCLUDING schoolwork - and that’s IF they prove they’re adult enough to handle it, subject to being revoked if they break curfew, fail at school, forget to chores, etc. Let them have things to look forward to: privileges that come with being older and more adult, as opposed to having Wii systems when they’re 8! Teach them to be self-sufficient: if they can toddle and take toys out of the toychest, they can learn to toddle them back. If they’re tall enough to reach the back of the stove, they’re old enough to learn to cook. Junior high is old enough to be in charge of their own laundry. Everyone is part of the household, EVERYONE HELPS. This makes for good family training for life!
December 8th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
@LaBellaDonna–Thanks for you kind words. I shared all the things we did right, not the “other” ones.
I wanted to add that I am in complete agreement on your comments in #80, but wanted to add more. We put that information in our will after we talked to the family members we wanted in those roles. In our case, the people we entrusted with the care of our son (very loving family members) will not also directly have our money. They will be given enough to take care of our son, for sure, but we appointed someone else in the family to have the trustee role as the family members who were caretakers were not really good with money. We wanted to be sure that the money our son would inherit would be properly managed to care for him, provide his education, etc. So, do consider that you can make those kinds of “dual” choices. Both parties are perfectly fine with the arrangement. (I actually think both were relieved a bit. LOL)
We are in this role for a dear friend’s child and it still humbles me with the honor, but also sobers me with the very serious responsibility. Again, she and her husband asked and we actually thought about it a few days to be sure before I committed us.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Shirley: Smart, smart, smart. I know I wouldn’t be the best choice to invest for my nephew.
I do want to add something for those couples who are planning to have children. Several posters here have pointed out the necessity of having to provide unexpected medical benefits for a child. I would like to add that just becaus YOU are planning on ONE child, that doesn’t mean that’s what the spin of the egg will give you! It would be better to prepare for TWO (and, better, three) children, if at all possible. Quite a few folks get surprised with twins, and there’s an occasional triplet thrown into the mix. I’d rather prepare ahead of time, if I had the choice. As matters stand, I’ve never been fiscally stable enough to have children - too busy funding a fiscally irresponsible partner. I don’t do that any more, however.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:21 am
One of the best tips my mother gave me was to exchange a lot of the clothes I got at my baby shower. People love to shop for the adorable and tiny 0-3 month stuff, but those will be outgrown quickly. I’ve heard tons of people bemoan the fact that even dressing the baby in a new outfit every time, they could barely get through them. I checked the tags to see where they were from, and traded a lot of it for larger sizes (including 12 and 18 month stuff) that I knew I would need later on.
One thing I’ll recommend purchasing if you don’t already have one: a digital camera. This may seem like a frivolous purchase, but the memories of your baby’s early life will be blurred by sleep deprivation and time, and pictures (and journal writing if you can find the time) are priceless later on. Film cameras are great, but people take more pictures with a digital and you won’t have to worry about costs for developing prints until you have the cash to spare.
December 10th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Well, my advice would be to not have kids in the first place, but that’s besides the point.
Beyond that, I don’t understand how some of you can recommend limiting your child’s activities, one sport at a time, etc. How is the kid supposed to figure out what he likes to do if he’s forced to just do one thing? Part of growing up is finding who you are and what you enjoy, by participating in different activities and interacting with different groups of people, not just ‘one at a time because that’s more economical for us (the parents), and it teaches a sense of value.’ Maybe a kid sort of likes the activity that they are currently in, but would be forced to give it up if they wanted to explore a different one, one that they could potentially become their love in life, but instead decided to stick with the one they are currently involved with, because there is a chance they’d be giving that up for something they may turn out to hate. If you want to raise a kid like that, you shouldn’t really have any. Kids aren’t something to cut corners with. I’m not advocating giving in to their every want and desire or anything similar, but being ‘economical’ isn’t the way to raise the best child you can. After all, it wasn’t the child’s decision to come into this world, it was the selfish one of the parents, so if you aren’t willing to pay the price, then let someone else have kids.
One other thing, someone mentioned setting a pre-determined calendar for their child, in regards to dating, driving, etc. How does that make any sense? A child could be mature enough to start dating at 14, whereas another may not be ‘ready’ to do so until about age 17, you can’t just lay out the time line your child needs to abide by before you know their relative maturity, life skills, and all that good stuff.
December 10th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
@Nick–If you’ll go back and reread my comment, you’ll notice that keeping him to one activity “more importantly kept him grounded and not overloaded.” We observed tons of other kids who had so many acitivities they couldn’t even start on homework until 10 or 11. Our son was in bed much, much earlier until he was a teenager. One activity at a time referred to major, ongoing activities and until he started high school, that plan served him well. He still did single activities and weekend activities occasionally, in addition to his one major activity. It was never an issue of us denying activities he adamantly wanted to do. If he had come to us saying he really wanted to commit to more than one major activity, I am sure we would have considered all the circumstances, but the fact was that he was very comfortable with the level of outside activities, home stuff, and homework. He was a very balanced kid–vs the majority of the kids we saw all around him who were stressed out. And, while you would probably disagree with this, we always taught him that he had to stick with a commitment once he made it. At most, that was one semester. If I had it to do over again, I’d do the same. I don’t feel we cut any corners. Plus, because we didn’t go crazy with tons of activities while he was younger, once he started high school we were able to support sending him to several leadership/international conferences (in DC for conferences related to Congress and Dept of Justice/Supreme Court, and in Europe and Australia).
December 10th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
[quote]I agree with the comments that health care will be the biggest cost for this phase. We can only address that by padding up our emergency fund. [/quote]
Actually, that’s not the only thing you can do. You can contribute more to a flex savings plan for medical expenses. You set this up with your employer. You usually have to set it up and/or adjust it on an annual basis when you have open enrollment for employee benefits, but sometimes your employer gives you the opportunity to make mid-year changes for things like births.
The medical flex savings account is AWESOME! It’s tax free, and you contribute regularly (usually monthly). You can use it for doctor copays and bills, prescription drugs, eyeglasses, even over the counter prescriptions and some medical supplies. Talk to your benefits administrator at yours or your partner’s work about this account - it’ll help you budget for expenses and save a bunch of money in the process. It’s great for anyone that has kids!
December 12th, 2008 at 9:14 am
You are very lucky to have a job where you might be able to work from home, however you have to remember that taking care of a young child is a full-time job. When my son was an infant, I did some consulting work from home, and was lucky to get in 20 minutes of work before my very-patient baby needed something. I felt like it was a major accomplishment some days to have taken a shower and do one load of laundry!!! Full-time mothers are not lounging around all day, they are working at the hardest job there is, raising our children. So, in my experience, you won’t be able to successfully work much with a child around. If you don’t have family that can help, perhaps a “mother’s helper” could come in after school and play with the baby while you get some work done. Many middle schoolers would love the chance to make $7-$8 for a couple hours of helping, and you can keep an eye on them too. Good luck.
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:18 am
First, congratulations on your first child! My wife and I are also expecting our first in June and debating many of these same questions.
BUY A HOUSE?
There is a common misconception that you need to own a house to raise a family. This is simply not true. A baby (and even an older child) doesn’t know or care if you rent or own or whether it’s an apartment or single-family home. Do whatever works for you financially and don’t stretch yourself thin trying to buy a place. Just make sure you have enough room. Usually 2 bedrooms should be fine for 1 or even 2 kids. (They can share a room for awhile if needed.) And if you are close to a park you don’t need your own yard.
BUY A CAR?
You mentioned that neither of you have cars. As much as I hate to admit it, you may need one with a baby on the way. You don’t need to go to the extreme and buy an SUV as most parents will tell you. Just get something safe and with 4 doors. And buy used, you’ll save a ton of money during that initial depreciation period. (New cars depreciate almost 10% the first 10 miles they’re driven off the dealer lot.) I’ve found that buying a car that is around 3 years old is the best because they still usually have low mileage, may still have some remaining warranty, and there are usually good deals since many leases end at 3 years and dealers get flooded with these used vehicles. We just bought my wife a used 2005 Acura TL to replace her 2 door Honda.
SAVE FOR COLLEGE?
One thing I learned from my parents is to open a savings account for college when the baby is born and put $50 into it every month. With the rising cost of tuition, this may not fully pay for college by the time they are 18 but it will certainly help. Put in more money if you can afford it. A college education is one of the best gifts you can ever give your kids.
SAVE FOR “BABY STUFF”?
If you can, have a friend or parent plan a baby shower and create a baby registry somewhere like “Babies R Us” or Target. (Their money will go further there than somewhere like Pottery Barn Kids!) This is a great way to get a bunch of common items as gifts. But you’ll no doubt still need to make some semi-major furniture and equipment purchases such as a crib, changing table, stroller, car seat, etc. While no one item is extremely expensive, they will add up to a heft sum overall. I’d suggest setting aside some money for these expenses.
I’m learning that babies are expensive.
January 2nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
@Vince: The significant issue in the rent/own question is school districts. If you have to move, you could be changing schools, which is disruptive for kids.
On a lesser (but still significant) note, changing neighborhoods is also disruptive for kids.