Ask the Readers: When Does It Make Sense to Refinance a Mortgage?
Published on - December 19th, 2008 (Modified on - August 21st, 2009) (by J.D. Roth)
So much for vacation. I just can’t keep myself away from you guys!
While surfing around this evening, I found a story at USA Today about how mortgages are at a 37-year low. A 30-year fixed-rate mortgage averages about 5.28% right now.
I don’t usually pay much attention to these stories. We refinanced our first house (from a 9% 30-year loan to a 5.75% 15-year loan), but our current mortgage is in a kind of phantom zone: We have a $207,000 balance at 6.25%, with about 25 years remaining. We think our home is worth about $350,000 ($333,500 according to Zillow), even after the wild swings in housing prices over the past few years.
The USA Today article piqued my curiosity, so I jumped over to Bankrate to see what sorts of loans were available. The site gave me three options:
The best option would give us a 5.00% rate and a monthly payment of $1111. (Our current monthly payment — principal and interest only — is $1386.60.) We could conceivably save $275 per month by re-financing.
But then I noticed an ad for a company called AmeriSave. It touted rates as low as 4.25%. A 4.25% 30-year mortgage? My jaw dropped. Literally. Could this be real? I clicked over, filled out the initial form, and took a gander at the rates they offered:
A payment of $1018 per month? That’s $378 less than we’re paying now! Yes, I do see the $6634 in fees and points. Yes, I understand that it will take us 18 months to recover these costs. That’s fine. We still plan to live in this house forever (or until we can afford to relocate to Wells, England).
So, my book proposal is on hold for a day. I’m spending my Friday digging into mortgages. I have several tasks on my agenda:
- I’m going to call AmeriSave to find out more about their rates.
- I’m going to call my current mortgage company to see what sort of rate they can offer.
- I’ll go through the process at MoneyRates.
- I’ve e-mailed my mortgage broker to see what he can do for me. (And he replied almost immediately — at 10pm on a Thursday!)
It seems strange to be devoting a day to this when it hadn’t even been on my radar until an hour ago. But it’s moves like this that can save big bucks in the long run. In All Your Worth, Elizabeth Warren encourages readers to “count the dollars, not the pennies”. When you make smart choices on the big expenses, you have more freedom to spend what you want on the small expenses. By refinancing, I’m trying to count the dollars. (When we refinanced our first house, we were able to keep the same payment, but cut the term from 26 years to 15 years.)
Meanwhile, Jason B. wrote in yesterday with a story about his efforts to refinance in this crazy market:
I’m refinancing my mortgage from 6.375% to something lower. I originally locked in my rate at 5.25% just in case it went higher. But the rate dropped to 5.0%.
I realized my $300 application fee was less than what I’d save in just 9 months of interest at the lower rate, so I called up and they agreed to keep my application open, charge an extra application fee (instead of starting over with all the paperwork) and lower my rate. But now the rate has dropped to 4.875% and could go even lower! I guess I’ll just keep paying the $300 until the rate still drops. But it feels wasteful.
Have you refinanced your home in the past few years? What advice can you offer us? It’s been a decade since Kris and I did this. Have you used Lending Tree? AmeriSave? What can we do to make the smartest decision? And do you have any advice for Jason? What should he do about rates that keep falling?
For research, I dug up an old post where Nickel shares his thoughts about how to decide when to refinance your mortgage.
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Nicole II,
I didn’t see an answer on Points.
First… those figures seem too high. A local credit union should be able to give you that rate with no points and lower closing costs!
Second… a “point” is where you pay 1% of the size of the loan (or $1000 for every $100,000 borrowed) to lower the rate – usually something like 0.125% (or one eighth of a percentage point of APR)
It generally makes sense to pay the points IF you have the cash to do it and plan on living in the house more than 5 years, as the interest saved does slowly recoup the lost money paid in points. But if you are struggling to gather the funds for a refinance, you would do better to look for a competitive rate available without paying points and without high closing costs.
As Brett mentioned, we’re paying about $1700 in closing costs for rates such as 4.875% and 5.0% with no points to pay!
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It all really depends on what rate you’re locked in on now, how much you owe, and if you choose to refinance, the rate, and the fees. If all of those numbers come out in your favor, I really don’t see a reason to hold off on refinancing, as saving even as much as a half percent on a number like 300k makes a big difference in the long run.
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Hi there. I noticed how drastically the mortgage rates have dropped. I was wondering if it’s fair to ask my mother to refinance her home so that I can pay off my $50,000 worth of student loans. I would make a monthly payment to her mortgage which would be less than my loan payment now. Am I right in thinking that it would pay off the mortgage faster because it would be like making another mortgage payment every month. Is my thinking correct and is it fair? Thank you.
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Hello All. I’m in a bit of a quandry regarding refinancing at this time. We have a 5/1 arm with an interest rate of 3.5% (! – got it in May 2003 when it was at an all time low). It resets in May ’09 but given that it’s tied to the 1-yr T-bill (which is so low now), it’s probably going to adjust to less than 3.5% for the next year. So likely I’m looking at a constant 3.5% till May 2010. Does it still make sense to refi to a 30yr fixed at 4.75-5.25 depending on the lender? Looking at the history of the 1-yr T-bill tells a different story: I can easily expect that interest rate to go to 8%+ after 2010…and the 30 yr fixed is so attractive now. we’re planning to stay in our home for at least 5 years, but probably less than 10. thoughts guys? Much appreciated!
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Hello all,
Just an FYI. Rates today look like they are below 5.00 here in Portland for fixed rates. We’ve been watching them for a couple of weeks now and this is the first major plunge we’ve seen.
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Yes, but what are the costs?
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Those who were smart enough to avoid a hangover from the last refi party (that is, refused to use their home as a piggy bank) should be taking advantage of these rates while they still can.
These rates will go the way of the dinosaur once all this liquidity that has been made available gets released into the economy.
My take on this can be found at http://www.lenpenzo.com
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My husband & I have enjoyed reading these posts & learning from them. Thanks everyone!
A question: We once heard about a type of loan that allows you to make extra payments to principal, *and* automatically adjusts the *required* monthly payment anytime/every time an extra-principal-payment is made. Does this actually exist? Anyone know about them or who’s offering them? Thoughts on how this loan structure affects the rates we might expect to be able to get & when/whether it would be worth paying a higher rate?
We’re at 5.8 now, looking to get to 4.5 or lower & use the money we’ll save/don’t have to pay monthly to chip away at principal (we have no other debt & have some savings already), which would then continue to lower our required monthly payment. We hope then to have our required monthly payment low enough by college time that we can finish out our loan & pay for college w/o taking money out of the house or refinancing (to a likely higher rate & longer term).
Thanks for any help you can offer!
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My original mortgage was 30 year at 6.275%. My credit union offer was 20 years at 4,125%/ They paid the closing costs. If I try to refinance within 3 years I must pay all the closing costs. I knocked 7 years off my loan and thechange in the montly payment was about 50.00. Do you think I did ok? I am so scared of this wheeling and dealing. I wish it all was straight forward. Like buying a bunch of greens. I read all that people wrote and I just feel so inadequate. Oh well I get by.
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