J.D. is on vacation. This is a guest post from Mandy Hering.
How can people afford fun these days?
I ask this question because my husband and I recently attended a Coldplay concert. We bought the tickets for my birthday back in June, and paid for them with some extra money that I made working as a grader for an AP exam. We didn’t need to use the extra money for an emergency fund, to pay off debt, or to finance any type of big purchase as we are already squared away on those fronts. Still, the concert was expensive:
- Tickets cost $97.50 each plus a handling fee of $33, bringing our total to $228.
- The concert was in a nearby town, meaning that we needed to travel there and spend the night. Transportation costs were about $15.
- The hotel where we stayed (within walking distance to the venue with complimentary parking) cost $120.
- We also had to eat dinner once we arrived, costing another $33.
That brings our grand total for one night’s worth of entertainment to $396. I shudder to think about that number — our usual night’s entertainment costs no more than $8 in movie rental fees!
There are ways that we could have saved, such as by bringing our own dinner from home in a cooler. We did bring snacks, eliminating the need to buy bottled water and chips elsewhere. We could also have bought less expensive tickets if we wanted to sit in the cheapest of the seats. Instead, we decided that if we were going to spend the money that we wanted to at least have a chance of seeing the band members with our own eyes instead of just viewing them on the big screens.
As we don’t typically go out for such a big night of fun, I wondered what other types of people we would see at the concert. Undoubtedly, many of the concert-goers bought their tickets before the economic meltdown was in full swing, but many of them probably also bought them at the last minute.
Additionally, this type of event is much different than a planned vacation. You don’t have to take a week off of work, and the actual concert lasts less than two hours. Who has the money for such extravagances these days? Are these the people referred to in The Millionaire Next Door as those with big ten-gallon hats, but no cattle in their pastures? Or are they people like me who have made a conscious choice to use their money like this?
While it’s difficult to know what a person has in his or her bank account based only on the outward appearance, here is a short assessment of who we saw:
- Parents — sometimes just a mom or dad with a single child and sometimes a whole clan.
- Teenagers — usually in a group of 3 or 4.
- College students — typically identifiable by the logos on their t-shirts.
- Young couples — people in their late twenties to early thirties.
- Middle-aged couples — either pairs of friends or married couples
Can your average person afford such an expense on a regular basis? Of course, the people sitting in the floor seats (ranging from $300 to $600 per ticket) looked better dressed than other people, but maybe they only wanted to look that way.
The lead singer asked a child sitting on the front row how old he was, and the child said he was 8 years old. My parents would never have given me a $600+ ticket to see Coldplay on a school night — what a lucky kid. It makes me really hope that the kid appreciates it and will remember it later!
But, it seems that the premium on fun has gone up since I last had the disposable income (be it responsible or not) to make such an expenditure. For example, say you have a family of four, with two children and two adults. Here are some typical entertainment costs:
- Coldplay concert in Arizona: 4 tickets + handling fee + printing fee = $244.40
- Seaworld in San Diego: 2 adults + 2 children, single day admission + parking = $252.00
- Six Flags in St Louis: 2 adults + 2 children, single day admission + parking = $155.00
- Disneyworld in Orlando: 2 adults + 2 children, single day admission (Florida residents) = $248.00 (other residents) $276.00
Of course, none of these figures includes lodging, if required, or transportation and food.
Ticket prices for athletic events are no better, and in many cases are worse. At my university (Texas A&M), tickets for a football home game range from $70-$85 each for conference play. The cost for professional games is even more, to say nothing of Hannah Montana concert tickets.
Is it my imagination, or have “family fun” events become major budget drains? There are certainly many types of low-cost entertainment for families, but do you feel that your child would miss out if they did not have a “Disneyworld experience”? When do you decide to splurge on a game or concert and when to sit it out? Do prices such as these influence your decisions at all?
I don’t regret the splurge that we made since the Coldplay concert was amazing. If we could have spared the time off from work, we would have loved to see them the following night in a different nearby city. The only regret we have is that we followed the “no cameras/no recorders” rule printed on our tickets when, in fact, almost everyone there had a digital camera! It just goes to show how long it’s been since we’ve attended a concert like this one!
Photo by Josh McConnell.
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I totally agree with Ian’s comments (#38). There’s no way to come to any sort of rational consensus about the issue b/c people feel so strongly one way or another.
I would compare it to skiing or golf. Both are fairly expensive pursuits. If you can afford to partake in them, then it’s a non-issue. If you can’t afford to go whole hog, then there are some cheaper solutions (i.e. going to smaller hills/courses) or if that’s even too expensive, then there are some extremely cheap substitutes (i.e. sledding) that give you a small taste of what you like. Sometimes the substitutes can be amazingly fun, and some people even prefer the substitutes. But it doesn’t mean that there’s anything wrong with anyone doing the primary activity, if they enjoy it and can afford the expenses.
If you come away from a concert adding up the whole costs and feeling bitter, then it wasn’t worth the money, no matter what the cost was. I’ve been to some $5 shows that I regret spending the $5 for, and I’ve been to $250 shows where I’ve walked out halfway through. In both instances, I never should have spent the money. But one of the moments I will carry with me for the rest of my life is standing with a group of close friends, singing along to one of our favorite artists as they played a huge arena show. Do I remember how much that particular show cost? Nope! No matter what the actual cost might have been, I guarantee you that it would have been worth ten times that amount, to be as happy as I was at that particular moment.
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I think the expense is just fine. The ticket funds weren’t pulled from funds earmarked for more important items, it’s not a regular expense, and it was something that created a lasting memory. I’m willing to pay more money for events like concerts and pro sports because the memories that come along with the friends are priceless. The important facet is to save for such events so that they’re not budget drainers.
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I’d pay a LOT to see Coldplay. I love them, am sure they would be great live, and since they announce tour dates so far in the future I’d easily be able to save for it (if it were an unexpected expense I’d be hesitant.)
I rarely pay more than $25 to see a concert (except for music festivals, but since you’re seeing 10+ bands a day and it’s an immersive experience, it’s very different). But if you consider the experience of certain performances to be worth it, then spend the money — after all, personal finance is about making the decision to use your money in the ways that fulfill you.
MONEY, not credit!
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It all comes down to what you want to spend your money on. If you are living hand to mouth, and can just save enough for one memorable experience every year, why shouldn’t it be a great band? Or an overnight trip? Or a special round of golf? Or whatever you like best?
If you like to see concerts frequently, there are lots of great ideas here for local or up and coming bands, or bargain hunting for tickets.
There’s no doubt that concerts are very expensive, but we planned for a big one for my b-day this year. Went to see The Police final show at MSG. Since I was only a kid the last time they toured, that is a once in a lifetime experience. Worth every penny.
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Well, no, $30 for Coldplay, because you didn’t have the option of paying $3 per band watched. If you enjoyed the other nine bands it may well have been a cheap deal all around.
I’m not a concert person, but for me, what’s galling is less the ticket price than the ‘extras’ – gas, parking, travel time, food, drink, that kind of thing. I have the opportunity to get free baseball tickets at work, and I generally pass it up because those “free tickets” don’t come with free parking, gas or hot dogs and sodas at the ballpark. (Yes, I know you can try and sneak in your food, but I’ve never understood that. It’s like going to a concert and wearing headphones.)
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Coldplay for $396? I can fly roundtrip across country for that, with $150 to spend at my destination. Whatever floats your boat.
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I’ve seen then twice live (including their Viva La Vida tour). I make hardly any money, but the splurge for me was completely worth it. My cause is supported by the fact that they are my all time favorite band.
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I personally have never understood paying any more than say $25 to see live music. I love U2, but by the time I became a fan, their concert prices were just too high for me to justify the expense. In general, I do not like to be bilked, and the prices to see famous musicians these days are just downright scandalous compared to what they used to be. And I’m only 31! I’m jealous of those who were able to enjoy concerts in the 70s for a much more reasonable rate (even factoring in inflation).
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This blog is titled “Get Rich Slowly.” Problem is entertainment is just about entertainers getting rich quickly.
There are two types of folks who go to concerts. Those who are already rich and those who never will be. I suppose a third type would be the younger folks with no understanding of the value of money.
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largebill, one of the nice things about this blog is it avoids the whole X-Treme Frugality/More Frugal Than Thou mentality, where what I like is frugal and what you like is wasteful, or where every penny spent is a step on the road to Hell.
There’s nothing about going to a concert that makes it something only the rich and wasteful would ever do. The whole point of frugality is not to smirk at how little we spend; it’s to arrange our finances wisely so that we’re spending money in a way that gives us the greatest happiness, rather than being unable to afford the things we want.
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The main problem is that ticketmaster splits their “convenience fees” with the artist. So bands are incentivized to use them.
Here’s what I always do: For events that I know will sell out, I try to get the presale password so I can grab tickets before they go on sale to the general public. If that doesn’t work, I go on craigslist the day of the event as people often can’t go for whatever reason.
I also use places like Stubhub or TicketStumbler or Razorgator, but sometimes the prices are just too much =\.
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Thanks Mandy for bringing up such a great subject! I agree that money is well spent on such a thing, as long as it is within one’s means and is not going to put one further in debt. For me, music has always been one of my favorite things and is highly important in my life, and there are many bands/artists that I have been listening to for years. Although I used to go to concerts religiously, mostly when I was younger, when one of my favorite artists comes into town for a concert, I still consider going.
Yeah, the show may only last a couple hours or so, but the memories last a lifetime. As a teenager at the time, I could have saved my money for something more tangible when Pink Floyd came into town for their last tour in 1994, but that money would be long forgotten. Instead, seeing the show, which was my last and only chance ever, still brings back great memories of one of the most talented and iconic bands in recent history!
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$200+ to see a good concert is worth it….if the band is good. I saw Coldplay in West Palm Beach two years ago and thought “I wouldn’t pay $20 to see them again…”
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This reminds me of Samuel Pepys’s entry after a particularly lively celebration, in which he had eaten too much, spent too much, and stayed up too late: he was content, because he had the money, the means, and the health to celebrate, whereas he might not have the one or the other at a later time. Surely the end goal is not to squeak through life as cheaply as possible? If the entertainment is worth it to the entertainee, and it doesn’t unduly impair the entertainee’s personal exchequer, how is it inappropriate? Would I pay that kind of money to hear Cold Play? No, because I wouldn’t recognize Cold Play on the street if I passed them (even if they were playing) – but not because I think it’s not worth it to fans of Cold Play. I went to Disney World once and thought it was awful; yet families and adults go regularly and enjoy it. If I had the same money, I’d gladly spend it on good seats for “Lord of the Dance”, so I’d say, ultimately, you can only judge what something is worth to YOU – not whether or not someone else should spend X dollars for it.
I do have to say that from what I’ve read, TicketMaster’s prices are little short of extortion – especially the “printing charges” and handling fees – and unduly burdensome.
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I find it painful to see how tickets have skyrocketed. I took my 15yo to see ZZ Top in a nearby town, it was their “In Your Face” tour where they played small venues, so for $55 each (plus Ticketbastard handling charges) we got front-of-the-balcony seats in a theater. We took some pictures with her point and shoot. http://realitytourist.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/sharp-dressed-men/
My daughter has been driving me crazy to get tickets to AC/DC. Hah!
But it makes me nuts to think that I saw The Eagles in 1975 (Dave Mason opened) for probably less than $10, and they now want well above $100. I saw tons of acts for less than $10. These new prices aren’t inflation, it’s marketing, as they try to milk the public while the acts are hot. It does not cost that much to put on a rock show. And don’t even think about the merchandise (although in fairness, usually all the profit from merch sales goes to the artist, not the company)
The other issue is paying to see something when there’s nothing to see. A friend went to see Prince years ago and came home saying it would have been better to watch him on HBO. Now, certainly, there are shows where you go to enjoy the “experience” of the event (think Grateful Dead), but Coldplay or Prince does not qualify.
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In November I spent almost $75 for two tickets to see TobyMac which I never would have done for myself but I was taking my 10 y/o son to his first concert! The list of opening bands was long and I think it added value I wasn’t expecting when I made the initial purchase. Although we weren’t on the floor the seats were GREAT even for the height of a 10 y/o. I knew it was worth it when my son looked at me a yelled, “If church was like this I’d go every day!” It is a memory he’ll have forever and well worth the $75 investment. I only wish we’d taken our camera too!
My husband’s theory on sporting events…why would I go stand in the cold to see half the game and pay $8 for a warm beer…when I can sit on the couch for free in my warm home, see the whole game and get an entire cold 6-pack for $8?
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You decided to spend YOUR money how YOU wanted to. There’s a lot of “wow this is expensive” stuff in the original post, but there’s also a lot of “justification”, too.
You chose more expensive seats. I don’t blame you. I’ve gone to stadium shows with the cheap seats and they quite honestly sucked.
You chose to stay in a hotel rather than driving home after the concert. If it’s a romantic night out with your spouse, I don’t blame you for that, either. I can’t wait for the next opportunity to spend a night out with my wife, in a hotel, without kids!
… plus I’m betting you forgot to include what you spent on breakfast the next morning. Which is probably not a big deal. In your shoes, I’d have sought out a nice diner breakfast that would have run us both about $10.
I’m not judging you for spending money, but expecting that everyone else in the arena spent the same amount of money is silly. Perhaps some people won tickets, “knew somebody”, bought them on Craigslist/eBay/etc. Perhaps this was the “big event” for someone for the entire year. Perhaps the college students charged it up on the credit cards they are going to be paying off for ten years. You can’t expect everyone to be as rational as you, or as frugal.
If you want to see live music for cheap, there are lots of ways to do it. But if you go see a big act that’s “made it”, in a big arena, with tickets only available from Ticketbastards, then add in a hotel and a dinner out, then, yes, it’s going to cost more money. I’m willing to bet there are lots of smaller venues that host decent acts where you might only need to deal with a cover charge, and have a good time. Or maybe a band is coming to a small venue and tickets will be $20.
I went and saw a band I really liked this year, the tickets were $70 each. I didn’t care, I like the band a lot, and I set aside money every month to be able to spend on stuff like this — some months I use it, some months I don’t. But that’s what it’s there for — spending on fun stuff.
And, of course, if Coldplay can fill a stadium with $400 tickets, more power to them. We do indeed live in a capitalist society, after all. If the prices were $30 a ticket, the scalpers would have run them up to $400/each, anyway.
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I’m going to sound like an old curmudgeon and say that those prices are outrageous. When I was younger I went to alot of concerts. The two most expensive concerts was David Bowie in the Let’s Dance tour when I was in high school (a birthday gift from the parents, I think 20-30 bucks) and George Clinton and Parlaiment which was $25 dollars, which seemed like alot at the time but very much worth it. But I’ve seen the Cure, Butthole surfers, Violent Femmes, the Eurythmics, the Pogues, the Flaming Lips too many to list and I’ve never paid those kind of prices. Until the prices return to sanity I will keep to the local clubs and talent which makes for a great evening and you can talk to the band mates afterwards.
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When Coldplay came to town, I really wanted to see them but couldn’t just the cost in my financial costs in my current situation. I saw Elbow and Radiohead for the cost of Coldplay. But hey, if you can afford it, you should reward yourself for your great ability to save
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See, I don’t ever pay more than $20-30 for a ticket to a show, because I don’t like the music that everyone else likes. Most of the shows I see are in smaller venues. I also would PREFER to have standing than seating because I like to dance.
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I agree with your article. Right now I’m debating to go or not
Tickets are $175 in every website and that’s for behind stage where here’s no view, not including taxes or “convenience charges”
It saddens me to see this, it makes me think that they don’t care about fans, for then it’s just business
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