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		<title>By: Buffett Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2009/02/05/behavior-gap-the-psychology-of-investing/comment-page-1/#comment-237651</link>
		<dc:creator>Buffett Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent blog - get rich slowly is certainly a maxim that I try to follow ! As does my hero Warren Buffett although it only took him around 15 years to become a millionaire, although I guess he didn&#039;t count that as &#039;rich&#039; - it took him a bit longer to make his first billion. The best holding period for an investment is &#039;forever&#039; !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent blog &#8211; get rich slowly is certainly a maxim that I try to follow ! As does my hero Warren Buffett although it only took him around 15 years to become a millionaire, although I guess he didn&#8217;t count that as &#8216;rich&#8217; &#8211; it took him a bit longer to make his first billion. The best holding period for an investment is &#8216;forever&#8217; !</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Gieg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Gieg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article by Gary North is somewhat related to the mentioned concept of the &quot;great reset&quot;. It&#039;s economics more than personal finance, but it&#039;s at least easy to understand economics:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north683.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article by Gary North is somewhat related to the mentioned concept of the &#8220;great reset&#8221;. It&#8217;s economics more than personal finance, but it&#8217;s at least easy to understand economics:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north683.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north683.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris at textadmarket</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2009/02/05/behavior-gap-the-psychology-of-investing/comment-page-1/#comment-166593</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris at textadmarket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have not read &quot;predictably irrational&quot; you should check it out.  There are some interesting correlations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have not read &#8220;predictably irrational&#8221; you should check it out.  There are some interesting correlations.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Squished18: being skeptical until you see data is a good approach when you are dealing with investment concepts.

The Paradox 1 is meant to present a concept, that risk actually go up over time if you are focused on $ and not %. It is backed up by data which I will add in a future post.

In terms of paradox 2, that is the point time weighted returns remove the impact of cash flows, but in real life we have cash flow in and out of our investments, often the timing of cash flows can result in a dramatically different return to you the investor. The true measurement of investor returns is dollar weighted which are more difficult to find.

I will provide some specific examples in the future.

Great question!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Squished18: being skeptical until you see data is a good approach when you are dealing with investment concepts.</p>
<p>The Paradox 1 is meant to present a concept, that risk actually go up over time if you are focused on $ and not %. It is backed up by data which I will add in a future post.</p>
<p>In terms of paradox 2, that is the point time weighted returns remove the impact of cash flows, but in real life we have cash flow in and out of our investments, often the timing of cash flows can result in a dramatically different return to you the investor. The true measurement of investor returns is dollar weighted which are more difficult to find.</p>
<p>I will provide some specific examples in the future.</p>
<p>Great question!</p>
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		<title>By: squished18</title>
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		<dc:creator>squished18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without data or examples for the Wealth Management Paradox - Part 1, I&#039;m still skeptical about what the author is really saying. Same applies to &quot;Media Fast&quot;. Anecdotally it sounds good, but I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s actually true. Paying attention to the right information/news may actually help performance and ignoring it may decrease performance.

As for Wealth Management Paradox - Part 2, my retirement mutual fund provider calculates my personal rate of return (time-weighted). Yes, it is something any financial services provider should do for you automatically.

squished</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without data or examples for the Wealth Management Paradox &#8211; Part 1, I&#8217;m still skeptical about what the author is really saying. Same applies to &#8220;Media Fast&#8221;. Anecdotally it sounds good, but I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s actually true. Paying attention to the right information/news may actually help performance and ignoring it may decrease performance.</p>
<p>As for Wealth Management Paradox &#8211; Part 2, my retirement mutual fund provider calculates my personal rate of return (time-weighted). Yes, it is something any financial services provider should do for you automatically.</p>
<p>squished</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Van Tharp puts it this way: trading is a 3-legged stool, with knowing yourself (psychology), money management (needs psychology), and a system that works for you (so you need to know yourself: psychology). Yes, it really is mind, mind, and mind that makes you money in the markets.

No, really. As they say in driving safety, the most risky part of a car is the nut behind the wheel...

That said, you have to take the time and figure out how you want to invest. This isn&#039;t a blanket &#039;you should always buy &#039;n&#039; hold&#039; statement either. First of all, find the investment strategy that suits your psychology. Obviously, buy and hold isn&#039;t necessarily the best if people can&#039;t stick with the hold part in a correction.

Maybe the majority of people shouldn&#039;t be buying and holding stocks or stock funds if they have such a hard time sticking with the system when there are corrections... ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Van Tharp puts it this way: trading is a 3-legged stool, with knowing yourself (psychology), money management (needs psychology), and a system that works for you (so you need to know yourself: psychology). Yes, it really is mind, mind, and mind that makes you money in the markets.</p>
<p>No, really. As they say in driving safety, the most risky part of a car is the nut behind the wheel&#8230;</p>
<p>That said, you have to take the time and figure out how you want to invest. This isn&#8217;t a blanket &#8216;you should always buy &#8216;n&#8217; hold&#8217; statement either. First of all, find the investment strategy that suits your psychology. Obviously, buy and hold isn&#8217;t necessarily the best if people can&#8217;t stick with the hold part in a correction.</p>
<p>Maybe the majority of people shouldn&#8217;t be buying and holding stocks or stock funds if they have such a hard time sticking with the system when there are corrections&#8230; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link!  As a consultant for a large discount brokerage company which for obvious reasons will remain nameless I deal with this issue every SINGLE day.  Every day I talk to clients on the phone and try to have them realize the truth of this principle.  

According to the research that my company has done, despite the average return of the overall stock market being much higher, the average return for the stock market fund investor is just 3%.

It drives me crazy when I explain what&#039;s going on and that if the client wants to go to cash now only to invest back into the SAME portfolio later &quot;when the stock market is better&quot; they are just making a decision to buy high and sell low.  You have no idea how many times a day I hear &quot;yeah, i know, I just can&#039;t lose any more in this account.&quot;  The fact that it&#039;s only a loss on paper and their is still 18 years before they are planning on beginning to withdraw the funds seems to not matter.   Le sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link!  As a consultant for a large discount brokerage company which for obvious reasons will remain nameless I deal with this issue every SINGLE day.  Every day I talk to clients on the phone and try to have them realize the truth of this principle.  </p>
<p>According to the research that my company has done, despite the average return of the overall stock market being much higher, the average return for the stock market fund investor is just 3%.</p>
<p>It drives me crazy when I explain what&#8217;s going on and that if the client wants to go to cash now only to invest back into the SAME portfolio later &#8220;when the stock market is better&#8221; they are just making a decision to buy high and sell low.  You have no idea how many times a day I hear &#8220;yeah, i know, I just can&#8217;t lose any more in this account.&#8221;  The fact that it&#8217;s only a loss on paper and their is still 18 years before they are planning on beginning to withdraw the funds seems to not matter.   Le sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: skipadoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>skipadoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you&#039;re familiar with ben graham, then you&#039;ve probably heard of his mr. market analogy.  this article reminds me of that.

http://www.buffettsecrets.com/mr-market.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you&#8217;re familiar with ben graham, then you&#8217;ve probably heard of his mr. market analogy.  this article reminds me of that.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.buffettsecrets.com/mr-market.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.buffettsecrets.com/mr-market.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever since we bought an investment property in 2005 (yeah we got wrapped up in the real estate investment returns here in So. Fla.) I have been paying more attention to emotion and its impact on our investment choices.  I&#039;m following a modified version of Buffet&#039;s: &quot;be greedy when people are scared [right now, we are buying stock with any and all extra money] and be scared when people are greedy.&quot;  I still think investing in real estate will help us meet our aggressive goals but we bought at the wrong time and it will be some years before we can sell for a profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since we bought an investment property in 2005 (yeah we got wrapped up in the real estate investment returns here in So. Fla.) I have been paying more attention to emotion and its impact on our investment choices.  I&#8217;m following a modified version of Buffet&#8217;s: &#8220;be greedy when people are scared [right now, we are buying stock with any and all extra money] and be scared when people are greedy.&#8221;  I still think investing in real estate will help us meet our aggressive goals but we bought at the wrong time and it will be some years before we can sell for a profit.</p>
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		<title>By: DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Investors don&#039;t always have a plan and stick to it that they miss market opportunities and create the &quot;behavior gap&quot;.  They react, instead of acting.  They should take some tips from Warren Buffet-- buy and hold and when everyone is selling-- buy more.  If they did that, they would be in the market when the big days, weeks, and months come and they would enjoy the returns they miss as evidenced in the behavior gap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investors don&#8217;t always have a plan and stick to it that they miss market opportunities and create the &#8220;behavior gap&#8221;.  They react, instead of acting.  They should take some tips from Warren Buffet&#8211; buy and hold and when everyone is selling&#8211; buy more.  If they did that, they would be in the market when the big days, weeks, and months come and they would enjoy the returns they miss as evidenced in the behavior gap.</p>
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		<title>By: Anelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take in consideration Behavior Gap for future analyze. Considering that you have mentioned about it in this post means that deserves all the attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take in consideration Behavior Gap for future analyze. Considering that you have mentioned about it in this post means that deserves all the attention.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 06:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting concept. Thanks for the info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting concept. Thanks for the info.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that some of the fans of Carl&#039;s blog are financial planners and portfolio managers as well as individual investors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that some of the fans of Carl&#8217;s blog are financial planners and portfolio managers as well as individual investors.</p>
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		<title>By: matt @ Thrive</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt @ Thrive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reasons we are taking so long to debut your investing section at Thrive is precisely because I&#039;m working hard to make sure that we correct for these irrationalities as much as possible.  As a behavioral psychologist, helping us with the way we think about money is a big part of my job at Thrive, so certainly I enjoy both this blog and the source...there are is a ton for people to do, and while you&#039;re waiting for us to finish building that into Thrive, blogs are a great place to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons we are taking so long to debut your investing section at Thrive is precisely because I&#8217;m working hard to make sure that we correct for these irrationalities as much as possible.  As a behavioral psychologist, helping us with the way we think about money is a big part of my job at Thrive, so certainly I enjoy both this blog and the source&#8230;there are is a ton for people to do, and while you&#8217;re waiting for us to finish building that into Thrive, blogs are a great place to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morningstar offers a great tool called &quot;investor return.&quot; They calculate what return the average investor achieved from a certain fund based on cash flows in and out.

For instance, look at Ken Heebner&#039;s CGM Focus Fund. As you can see here http://tinyurl.com/dmdpjo, the fund annualized 16.33% over the last 10 years. However, the average investor in the fund annualized -23.39% over the same period! (Yes, that is a negative number.)

Plain and simple, investors bought the fund after seeing good returns or reading about the fund in the press (bought high) and sold the fund after becoming disappointed over a short period of time (sold low).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morningstar offers a great tool called &#8220;investor return.&#8221; They calculate what return the average investor achieved from a certain fund based on cash flows in and out.</p>
<p>For instance, look at Ken Heebner&#8217;s CGM Focus Fund. As you can see here <a href="http://tinyurl.com/dmdpjo" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/dmdpjo</a>, the fund annualized 16.33% over the last 10 years. However, the average investor in the fund annualized -23.39% over the same period! (Yes, that is a negative number.)</p>
<p>Plain and simple, investors bought the fund after seeing good returns or reading about the fund in the press (bought high) and sold the fund after becoming disappointed over a short period of time (sold low).</p>
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		<title>By: Momma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Momma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has some great resources.  Thank you :)

I&#039;m not at the point in my &quot;baby steps&quot; to start my investing, but this is definitely the stuff I need to know before I even wade into the water.  As always JD, thanks for the information you send us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has some great resources.  Thank you <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at the point in my &#8220;baby steps&#8221; to start my investing, but this is definitely the stuff I need to know before I even wade into the water.  As always JD, thanks for the information you send us.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Steer - Better Is Better</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Steer - Better Is Better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to checking these resources out!  I&#039;ve been struggling for a while with the gap between my &quot;theoretical&quot; desire to start investing in my financial future and the daily actions that I need to take.  (which is one of the reasons I read this blog...)

Cheers,
Adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to checking these resources out!  I&#8217;ve been struggling for a while with the gap between my &#8220;theoretical&#8221; desire to start investing in my financial future and the daily actions that I need to take.  (which is one of the reasons I read this blog&#8230;)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Adam</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Connell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of an article at a friends site... supposedly, there is a correlation between soccer match results and international market changes. :P

http://empiricalfinanceresearch.blogspot.com/2009/01/sports-sentiment-and-stock-returns-510.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of an article at a friends site&#8230; supposedly, there is a correlation between soccer match results and international market changes. <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Roman @ FinancialJesus.com</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2009/02/05/behavior-gap-the-psychology-of-investing/comment-page-1/#comment-166222</link>
		<dc:creator>Roman @ FinancialJesus.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been a well known issue among day-traders for years that emotions can make a person behave in ways that causes us to lose money. 
It&#039;s a lot more difficult to see this effect when you are investing because the timescale is just so much larger. 
I&#039;m glad that someone is making it their mission to teach people about this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been a well known issue among day-traders for years that emotions can make a person behave in ways that causes us to lose money.<br />
It&#8217;s a lot more difficult to see this effect when you are investing because the timescale is just so much larger.<br />
I&#8217;m glad that someone is making it their mission to teach people about this!</p>
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