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Tuesday, 24th February 2009 (by J.D.)This article is about Spare Change
I was looking at my personal library last night, and marveling at how many books we have. Despite my reduced spending on them, and despite the fact that we’ve sold many back to bookstores, we still have a lot. It made me wonder: would it actually make sense to purchase an Amazon Kindle? Or would it be a waste of money?
To find out, I asked my Twitter followers. Kindle users love the device, but most people can’t see how it makes economic sense. I can’t either, but am still strangely drawn to the idea. Let’s ignore the Kindle for now and think about personal finance. Here are some recent stories from around the web:
Many GRS readers (and a few of my friends) rave about Crazy Aunt Purl, which is ostensibly a knitting blog. Today Sarah pointed me to Laurie’s most recent post, which describes how she could afford a trip to Madrid. (Scroll down past the photos for the actual story.) She writes:
One of my coworkers stopped me in the hallway the day before I left for vacation. “Where are you off to this time?” she asked. “Madrid,” I said. “How in the world do you afford all this?” she asked, in a voice that implied I was about to embark on a three-month voyage to the moon. “Well,” I said, “I don’t buy stuff.”
Laurie explains how she learned to live within her means, and how she’s able to afford expensive vacations. (Hint: she prioritizes spending!) My favorite line? “It’s just math, not voodoo.” I’ll have to remember that one.
On a related note, I’ve written before about the real millionaire next door to me. (He’s agreed to do an interview, by the way!) He’s a down-to-earth guy that lives frugally. You’d never guess he had wealth. While browsing the archives at Soul Shelter (a great blog), I came across an older article that tries to explain why millionaires buy espresso machines. The point? It’s okay to spend for quality and value, especially if it will reduce costs in the long run.
Next, several readers have pointed out that American Express will be paying some card holders $300 to close their accounts. “We sent the offer out to a select number of card members,” said Molly Faust, a company spokeswoman. “We are looking at different ways that we can manage credit risk based on the costumers overall credit profile.” What do you think of this?
Finally, Dawn at Frugal for Life shared 11 ways that she cut down on grocery bills. I know that all personal finance blogs (including Get Rich Slowly) run “how to save on grocery” articles, but I like this one because it’s not theoretical. These are real things that Dawn does to save money at the grocery store.

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February 24th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Having read lots and lots of tips and hints on how to save money on groceries, I have to say that for me the biggest and best has been to keep a price book.
At first I thought it was ridiculous and I couldn’t be bothered, but once I got into it I realized that I could, for example, buy milk at a certain store I pass once a week for $.99/quart as opposed to buying at my closest store for $1.99/quart.
Just by paying attention I must have come close to cutting my grocery bill in half.
February 24th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Thanks for the link back JD…also, I had a blast listening to your interview on Frugal Coast2Coast and chatting with Jenn and Lynnea and the others in the chat room.
February 24th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Dawn, I don’t know how Jenn and Lynnae could chat while also doing the show. My brain doesn’t work that way! Kris would tell me that it’s because I’m a man…
February 24th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Economic sense: do you see the charges for web browsing anywhere?
How many months of pre-paid browsing make it worth the price?
February 24th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
No charges for browsing, no.
I have a Kindle, and I just downloaded the Western Canon on it for free (from Gutenberg.org). Try to buy that set from Penguin: at least $1500, and possibly more. Problem solved. Also, if you’re going buy the books anyway, Kindle editions tend to be cheaper. Would make excellent sense for homeschoolers, etc.
February 24th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I can’t make the Kindle make economic sense, either.
It’s far too expensive. Because I cycle accounts at places like QPB, Book of the Month Club, Etc., I pay less than $6 per book for any book I actually buy. When you factor in libraries, and used book stores, prices go down much further. And you still have the huge cost of a machine that doesn’t let you lend a book or give a book away.
And gods forbid something actually happens to the machine, which it eventually will as nothing lasts forever.
February 24th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Kindle is a practical step toward saving trees since it’s more practical than carrying around a stack of books.
February 24th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
I read a pile of books last year for free just by making the trip to my local library. I can’t imagine paying for the Kindle.
February 24th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
The Kindle: Has the advantage of space. You could get rid of your entire current library.
Your current library: Has the advantage that you can’t possibly drop it all into the toilet at once.
February 24th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Since you already own a computer, it would make the most fiscal sense to just buy the eBooks (you can buy those files separately) and read them on your computer. If you own a portable computer, even better. I realize the Kindle has a more desirable screen type for hours of reading, but otherwise, it’s just an uber-convenient eBook reader (to my knowledge).
To the person that’s dead-set on dropping $200, I’d personally still recommend a Blackberry over a Kindle. Dollar-for-dollar, a Blackberry Storm or Bold is many times more useful. Most folks don’t realize how powerful those little guys are (I have a Storm).
Just one shmoe’s opinion.
February 24th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
JD, can’t you put books on your iPhone? I realize the screen is half the size of the Kindle, but you already own an iPhone.
@Valerie- That is one of my biggest fears — having my iPod Touch end up submerged! The technology is amazing, but they sure seem fragile, especially compared to the old ‘brick’ phones of 15 years ago.
February 24th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
I agree completely with the comment on the price book. It’s impossible to keep all this stuff inside your head (particularly with so much other important stuff packed in there, like entire seasons of Happy Days… the cranium needs a “flush” button, preferably red). A price book can really help you organize your shopping and save significant money.
re: the Kindle. I would love to get one, but I’m not sure it could quite compare to an actual book, whilst curled up in front of the woodstove.
February 24th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
The Kindle intrigues me too. Though, if I had an iphone - I’d be checking out that possibility too. But I have a little laptop and will be looking into being able to download books there, now that it finally occurs to me. (Duh.)
(Forgive me please, I’m about to be super snarky…) Regarding Am Ex paying people to close accounts…so Am Ex is paying for their stupidity?
February 24th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Okay, you price-book lovers. You have me intrigued. I’ve mentioned them once before (I think I quoted a Tightwad Gazette piece), but never really researched them. I’ve budgeted a post in March about them. If you have info you’d like to share, e-mail me or leave a comment here…
February 24th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
There is talk that Amazon will come out with a Kindle App for smartphones. Hopefully the iPhone will be one of them and the app itself will be free. If you think of the only cost being the cost of d/ling the books, it is a much better deal.
I personally hate having a lot of stuff, and eBooks cut back on the “stuff” while still allowing me to read.
February 24th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Regarding the groceries, if I buy from the scratch ‘n dent section of the grocery store I’m always careful to check for the integrity of the package (and contents.)
February 24th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
The Kindle does have many advantages over a computer for reading e-books. First of all, its battery life is measured in page turns, not in hours used. The screen uses e-ink technology which only uses power when it flips pages. Second, the Kindle has cell-phone based technology that allows the user to purchase books without hooking it up to a computer, and the beauty is that there is no monthly fee! There is even some basic web-browsing support. Another cool feature is that you can have magazine subscriptions on the Kindle. I don’t own one myself, but I too am considering one. My coworker swears by it.
February 24th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
I don’t own a Kindle because it’s a deal or a bargain. I own it because it is amazingly convenient. I can read anywhere, any time. I never forget to bring my Kindle, like I would with my book. If I’m close to the end of one book, I already have the next one with me (or downloadable instantly), so I don’t have to carry two. I can download the next book in a series as soon as I finish the previous one, or even before. No trying to figure out when I can get to the bookstore, or getting it online and having to wait for it. I was giving myself hand cramps holding my books open with one hand while I read… especially hard-bound, but that doesn’t happen with the Kindle. I can brush my teeth with my Kindle propped up on my shelf. Can’t do that with a real book.
Unlike with a computer, I can read in line, I can read in the bathroom… The only place I can’t read my Kindle, that I would with a regular paperback is in the bath.
I can change the font size if my eyes are getting tired. I can download PDF files and manuals to read (I have PDf software manuals that I refer to when using the software.) I have knitting patterns on my Kindle.
I can look up words I don’t know the meaning of, instantly. I can highlight text and make notes (although I don’t really do that very often).
But best of all, I’m not adding to my bookshelf real estate. Now I only buy books (used) that I can’t get either on my Kindle or at the library.
I could probably go on and on, but I’m tired and going to bed.
February 25th, 2009 at 12:33 am
Where I live, it’s incredibly expensive to buy books. Usually I just trade with friends, but I can understand how a Kindle could really make sense here - there aren’t really any used bookstores or libraries with books in English. In America, it seems more like a really nice (and cool) luxury - one that I am totally drawn to!
February 25th, 2009 at 1:24 am
I *love* my Kindle — and recommend it anyone who is a serious/frequent reader. However, even I can’t make an “economic” justification for it, i.e., it won’t save you money. But typically, very few things are purschased just to save money. You spend/invest the money for the convenience and entertainment the device provides. For what I get out the Kindle, it’s been more than worth it.
@Elena, all you need for bathtime reading is a 1-gallon Ziploc bag! I actually feel safer with the Kindle in the bag than I do with a real book, where there is the possibility you could drop or splash.
February 25th, 2009 at 1:52 am
What I can’t get past with the kindle is the fact that it isn’t a book. I love books (the physical object not just the stories in them) so replacing these with another piece of electronic equipment is just not something I could do. I love to write the start and end dates of when I have read a book inside the cover, I love writing notes in the margins or passing a much loved book onto a friend or family member. Most of all I love to spend hours wandering through book stores on the weekend and going to the register with my “stack”. Perhaps if I travelled a lot (its a pain to lug more than one book around and I’m a voracious reader so need a few) I would consider it but still, I don’t think I could ever sacrifice my lovely bookshelf full of memories. Books are the only “stuff” I buy or allow in my house. Can you tell I’m the daughter of a librarian?
As for the commentor above who uses their kindle when waiting in line etc. - I see your point it would be very handy for those situations. I usually have a book in my handbag but if I don’t I just pull out my iphone and read blogs or the newspaper online.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:04 am
Comparing the Kindle to an iPhone for eBook reading doesn’t really make sense. I’ve tried reading books on my iPhone and it strains the eyes horrible. The e-ink technology really makes a difference.
I got a (used) Sony Reader and there are a ton of classic books available from Project Gutenberg, so it really doesn’t cost much at all, depending on what books you read.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:47 am
The Kindle makes no economic sense. However, I too am drawn to the device. The idea of being able to have all my books and magazines digitally appeals to my environmental side. Plus, it would be nice to have all my reading (books, newspapers and magazines) on one device.
Will I buy a Kindle? Not sure.
February 25th, 2009 at 6:37 am
JD, I thought your wife had a Kindle?
February 25th, 2009 at 6:58 am
First - the kindle, I can see how it could work since you can get free books, but for me, there’s nothing like actually holding the book. I also get a rush of joy whenever I go to the bookstore. Plus, since I own all my books and keep them, I’ve gotten publishers to send me a lot of free books for review, so I figured out a way to keep my hobby and save money.
Second -regarding traveling - that article was great! The husband and I took 4 trips to Europe in 3 years. Each trip was lasted 10 days to 2 weeks. People couldn’t understand how we could possible afford those trips. We also don’t have a lot of stuff. Sure, we have some stuff (I scrapbook and own all the books I read) but traveling was important to us and so we saved money for those trips instead of buying stuff that we might have wanted. We also went to Jamaica last month and stayed in an all-inclusive resort. We did get some crap about spending money on an expensive trip while the economy is the way it is but…we save for our trips and spend less than we make. SO..why not take advantage of an awesome deal and maybe help the world economy at the same time?
February 25th, 2009 at 7:06 am
I want a Kindle really bad. Some day I will get one.
For now I use my iPod Touch with a free program called Stanza. Check it out. You can down load tons of books for free. There are also some newspapers and magazines that you can download.
February 25th, 2009 at 7:54 am
I know that Utah has a digital library called Pioneer where you can download ebooks for free. There are a limited number available and you are supposed to delete them after a certain amount of time (like two weeks or something). I am a big fan of checking books out at the library and I like the idea that this is still an option for Kindle users. I don’t know if other places have this kind of service available or not.
February 25th, 2009 at 8:28 am
My friend has a Kindle. It has the added advantage of not looking like a book, so it’s easier to hide when she’s reading instead of working. I desperately want a Kindle. Project Gutenberg is amazing, and I’m used to reading on a screen.
With “it’s math, not voodoo,” have you *seen* upper level math? My dad majored in math. I’m pretty sure voodoo makes more sense!
February 25th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Thanks for the link to the CrazyAuntPurl site. I read a handful of her posts and her “About Me” page and have now bookmarked the blog for daily reading in the future. I love reading smart things that make me laugh — couldn’t we all use more of that with such doom and gloom in the news every day!
February 25th, 2009 at 8:57 am
I don’t think I could ever justify spending the money on Kindle. Between borrowing books from friends, the library, or just purchasing a cheap used book it seems like a waste of money. I might change my mind a few years down the road when the price decreases…I did the same thing with MP3 players.
Or maybe I would buy one if I had an American Express account and they gave me $300 to close it!
February 25th, 2009 at 9:28 am
If I want to buy a book, I prefer to support my locally owned bookstore. When I’m through reading a book I don’t want to keep, I donate it to my local library.
February 25th, 2009 at 10:44 am
I didn’t get the point of a Kindle at all, until I saw an ad for it at the airport when I was on a business trip. During the trip, I finished the library book I brought, couldn’t find a used bookstore, and shelled out $15 for a book to read for the trip home, still hauling the library book. If I was a road warrior (I travel only 1x or less/month), I would invest in a Kindle, for sure.
February 25th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I’m similar to CrazyAuntPurl — I’ve got my priorities, and I work toward those. I also blogged about this here (http://penn.typepad.com/penn/2008/09/how-i-afford-to.html). I’ve never made over $20k in a year, and I typically make way less, but I spent 4 months studying abroad in Europe, three weeks in New Zealand, tons of time roadtripping around the US, etc. I do this via a combo of saving up money and going frugal on my vacations. For NZ, I worked overtime (up to 70 hours some weeks) for a month or two until I had $3k banked up. I found a good ticket, stayed in hostels, did all sorts of crazy outdoor stuff, and did my entire three week vacation and flight for under that $3k I saved.
I also like to save up to give myself some wiggle room. I ultimately decided to take a contract job this summer, but I was toying with the idea of just driving around and visiting friends. My co-workers were shocked, but this is the stuff I save my money for. I think I’ll be taking that time off sometime in the late fall/early winter instead and perhaps hitting somewhere a bit more exotic.
February 25th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I’m actually looking forward to getting a Kindle. It’s on my list of things I want.
I love books — really cool old books. But I don’t want to keep a lot of books. I only keep books that are really significant to me personally or that I bought because they are antique works of art.
But there is the storage factor. I strive to simplify my possessions. There are a lot of books I like, but not well enough to justify the storage demand of keeping them. Considering I can go through a trade paperback a day, that’s a lot of bookshelf space.
It’s also a lot of paper.
So for me, a Kindle could be a worthwhile investment. There are some books I’d keep in print form — antique books or books that are really important (like LOTR). Books that I wanted strictly for reference, or that were meant to be a fast and disposible read, would go on the Kindle.
I also have a collection of pdf ebooks that I’d like to put on the Kindle. Reading on the computer is a pain, and printing to paper is not efficient either.
Plus I think the Kindle has an annotation feature.
Oh and as for reselling books — I’ve done my fair share of it. Sometimes it works out ok but mostly it’s more trouble than it’s worth to me.
February 25th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Does anyone know if you can get textbooks on Kindle?
Probably not… boo!
Also, I love Crazy Aunt Purl… it’s not a typical knitting blog at all, I’d call it more of a lifestyle blog. Her book Drunk, Divorced and Covered in Cat Hair is a pretty funny read as well.
February 25th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Kindle is a neat, convenient gadget.
But I can’t see it being very economical. Libraries or used books are going to be cheaper.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
if you buy a lot of books at cost then a Kindle makes great sence, but great rounded math, you need to buy at least 35 books a year in order to break even.. seeing as the cost of the Kindle is about $350, and hard cover books are GENERALLY around $20 and you can buy them for $10 through the Kindle.
You also get them instantly. If you are a huge book reader, and you don’t want to wait to get to the library or book store, the Kindle would work for you.
Me? I wait, I go to the library, my books are free.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Oh, thanks a lot - now I know about Crazy Aunt Purl and have yet one more way to waste my employer’s time.
Re: Kindle: I read 100 to 120 books a year, about 75% of which I buy new, and my problem is I like Books. The whole physical package of them. But I can easily foresee a time when living-space downsizing would make the Kindle a desirable alternative, and frankly I would probably read more NEW books if I got them electronically. Has got to be great for travel, too.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I’m a voracious reader. On a good week, I’ll read about 20 books, more or less, plus online news, etc. I read 1,000 words per minute. Buying books is like buying crack for me - it’s expensive as hell & the high doesn’t last. If I indulge in buying all the books I read, I can easily spend $300 a month.
I’ve read out most of the genres I read in the public library, and I even make use of InterLibraryLoan. I belong to paperbackswap.com, and use that ferociously as well. Barnes and Noble makes no money off my membership card. I even tried BookSwim, but decided it wasn’t worth it.
But, I don’t watch TV or movies, I used to do some crafty stuff, but not in this house…I don’t travel. Really the only other thing I spend money on is food (and cookbooks.
And I’m not that gourmet a cook - I don’t do a lot of Asian food (or sushi).
February 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Well I would say about the Kindle that for someone in your position (from what I have read, you are sometimes sent books for free on the basis you will read and review them on your blog) you would not benefit financially from purchasing a Kindle. Most of the Kindle edition books are sold at the price of the hardcover book anyways so you are paying more for the convenience the Kindle provides.
February 25th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I’ve been wanting to get a Kindle since it was first announced. I have pretty much decided that I will buy one as a reward to myself once I reach my goal of having an emergency fund with enough money to cover over a year’s worth of bills. Yes, there are a lot of ways to obtain books for free or fairly cheap, but I have a collection of over 7,000 books already that I frequently go back through. Being able to carry up to 1,500 at a time in the memory of the new Kindle 2.0 (shipping next month) is easily worth the cost of a unit to me. I can probably even convince my boss to pay for at least a part of the cost since I’ll be using it for work to store IT reference books.
February 25th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
35 books a year to break even on the Kindle? Hah! I read about 4-5 books a week, sometimes more. At that rate the Kindle would pay for itself in about 2-3 months.
I don’t go to the library because I invariably end up with fines when I forget to return books on time. I buy all my books new, except for an occasional second-hand book.
I’ve not got the time or patience for paperbackswap.com or anything like that. I want to go to a bookstore and just buy what I want, no hassle and no waiting.
Plus, I just don’t like second-hand stuff. It’s my own thing, I’m happy others find value in buying second-hand stuff and there’s certainly plenty of it to go around. It’s my personal choice that I generally would rather do without something, even a book, than buy second-hand items (antique books excepted, because they are cool.)
February 26th, 2009 at 5:44 am
Lots of thoughts on this one…
1. Living frugally doesn’t mean foregoing things you would value and enjoy.
2. I use ebay/paypal for splurges like this. I have to sell enough clutter to have the money to purchase the new toy. Can’t buy until my paypal has enough cash. Really helps cut out impulse buying!
3. Recently considered the Kindle myself. Instead, for about the same price, I purchased a netbook computer. Loaded MS Reader, Adobe Reader, and Mobipocket Reader on it. Now I have an ebook reader and a computer for surfing, emailing, etc. all in one package. Admittedly, not as lightweight and convenient as the Kindle, but it was a better choice for me.
4. I got rid of all my books when I moved last; except for one box of reference books and cherished books. Now as soon as I finish a book, I pass it on to someone else. I have found that by giving books away, people now bring me books that they think I’ll enjoy.
5. There are LOTS of free ebooks out there.
February 26th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Avlor, I read the article to mean Amex is paying consumers who pay their bills every month to cancel their cards. This is no good for the people who use their cards sensibly and do not carry balances, while taking advantage of the cashback and fraud/purchase protection. As an Amex user I really hope I didn’t make the list.
February 28th, 2009 at 7:05 am
I’ve had a Kindle for many months: I bought it because I travel for work, and have had problems taking “enough” books along: work books, fun books, topical stuff for particular trips … “Instant gratification” and download via Whispernet (Amazon’s own Internet) is another plus, as is the generally much lower price for a new book.
I do buy used books, and sometimes sell my old ones; my local used book store, Amazon and PaperBack Book swap are all on my list of typical sources. But at 66, with tens of thousands (I kid you not) of books in my library, I’ve begun to think about how to avoid extending the holdings that matter to me … but will be only something more to clean up for the kids when I finally kick the bucket! (No time soon, I hope!)
Kindle sold me instantly because I can have hundreds of books with me when I travel. In Paris last fall, I averaged about a book a day (despite spending most of my time on Paris, to be sure). Whispernet didn’t work in Europe last Fall; I’ll see if it does now next month.
Kindle Version 1 had some problems: equations and graphics were “too small” to read, and some didn’t work right (e.g., Greek letters) diminishing the value (for some books). But overall, it is indeed “uberconvenient” if not really “needed” for home-dwellers.
February 28th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
I crunched some numbers this week. I saved $1.30 on 29 books over the past 6 months by buying “real” books on Amazon vs. Kindle books, NOT counting the cost of the Kindle itself!
1) Most of the books I bought weren’t available in Kindle format (17 books, 59%).
2) I got 4 books free through Amazon’s buy 3 get one free thing.
I even included a cookbook and another book that I wouldn’t have bought in Kindle format, even if I had one. Also, most of these books are books that I have loaned or will loan to at least one other person.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Three things many people don’t know about Kindles:
1.All of your Kindle books are backed up to the Amazon servers including the annotations, highlights and bookmarks you put in your books, so you don’t lose them.
2.There are no monthly connection or download fees.
3.From your Kindle, you can lookup words in the dictionary, search Wikipedia for something your not familiar with, and (my favorite) search the book for a character/idea/reference (can’t do that with a physical book)
I do save money with my Kindle two ways.
1. I like to read new releases. I like being on the forefront and recommending books. Most new releases are $10, or $15 less than the hardback. Older books are often cheaper or free. It is a cheaper alternative for those who don’t like to wait until a book is available at the library/used bookstore.
2. I download samples of books I’m interested in or hear recommended, and decide to buy after reading them. Samples are usually the first few chapters of a book that you can read for free, from anywhere. I read 6 samples on a recent business trip and only liked 2 books well enough to buy them. I spent $20 instead of $150 (and yes I would have bought these before).
I LOVE my Kindle. I was an English Major so don’t talk to me about loving physical books! I work two jobs and travel a lot, so I love that I can shop for books from anywhere. The Kindle saves my back from the weight of hefty books and eliminates the dilemna of which books to put in my commuter bag/suit case.
Best case scenario - ask for the Kindle as a gift. That will save you money!
June 25th, 2009 at 12:27 am
Yes Aimee, Kindle really has numerous good features in its design and content distribution system, but only when you are in Wispernet range. For other locations (i.e. for me in Scandinavia) it is more just an e-reader with useless wifi module inside. Hopefully Kindle’s worldwide application is in Amazon’s #1 priorities list.