Ask the Readers: What Do You Do When Frugality Gets You Nowhere?
Published on - March 20th, 2009 (by J.D. Roth) In general, the frugal person who saves and invests will slowly build wealth, and will find herself far ahead of her peers. But sometimes the progress is slow — or even non-existent. When this happens, good financial habits can seem frustrating. Sara wrote to ask what to do when frugality seems to be getting you nowhere:
Although I practice extreme frugality, I feel that I cannot get ahead financially. Every month I seem to be back in exactly the same place as I started the month before. Here are the details:
- I am 24 years old and have never carried credit-card debt.
- I have $4000 in student loans at 2.5%.
- I am responsible for half of a mortgage at 5.5%.
- I work 20-25 hours of overtime every week for extra money to save.
- I contribute the full employer match to my 401(k).
- We eat all our meals at home and pack our lunches everyday. I cook lots of beans and rice and other low cost foods.
- I do not drive a fancy new car or buy fancy new clothes. In fact, I do not buy many consumer goods at all.
- Every month, I pay extra principal on the mortgage and put extra money toward my student loan.
- Every month I put money into an ING savings account.
- Every month I put money into an index-fund Roth IRA.
Even paying extra on my student loans, it will still take years to pay them off. Even though I am putting 15-20% of my gross income into a 401(k) and an IRA, the balances don’t go up. They go down, or, if I’m lucky, they stay the same. Even though I put money in savings, I seem to have no progress because the savings rate is so low. Even though I scrupulously keep track of my tax deductions, my tax refund from 2008 will be less than $20. When I think of what I pay in taxes, it makes me feel queasy.
Why does it seem that I am doing all the right things but getting all the wrong results? I feel like I have been running in circles, going no where fast, and I am exhausted.
Saving money is work. It’s a challenge. Success does not come overnight. And, in fact, there can be long stretches where it seems nothing is going right. This is especially true if the economy at large is conspiring against you. You may be making good choices, but if interest rates are low and the stock market is declining, it will seem like you’re making no progress (or maybe even losing ground).
I believe that Sara is doing the right thing. Obviously there’s no guarantee that she will be successful, but it’s my belief that if she continues to make smart choices, she will be rewarded in the long run.
My advice — and it feels odd to say this — is for Sara to be a little less thrifty in the present. I think she should reduce the extra payments on her student loans (and possibly her mortgage), at least for a little while. She should use this money to pursue something that she enjoys or that gives her life meaning. She might, for example, save for a trip to Europe, or for a new bicycle.
Since re-discovering it last autumn, I’ve become an adherent of Elizabeth Warren’s balanced money formula, which is designed to let people build wealth while also setting aside some money for fun. Warren says that, ideally, no more than 50% of your paycheck should be spent on Needs. Of the remaining amount, at least 20% should be devoted to Saving, while up to 30% can be spent on Wants.
Here’s what the balanced money formula looks like:

This simple plan has made a huge difference in my own life. Because I’ve reduced my Needs to below 50% of my net income, I’m still able to meet my Savings goals and have plenty left over for Wants. But the key is to allow myself to actually spend on Wants. For a time, I wasn’t doing this, and it made money management a drag.
My guess is that by allowing herself a bigger budget for Wants, Sara will feel better about her progress. But I also think that she needs to be patient. She’s only 24. She’s young, and she’s making smart choices. I believe that in the long term, she will succeed. But it takes time. Right now she’s being thwarted by one of the worst economies in the past 100 years. That’s a powerful tide to swim against!
What do you think? Am I completely off base? What advice do you have for Sara? Should she stay the course and continue to embrace extreme frugality and debt reduction? Or should she lighten up in an attempt to find some balance? Are there other options that I’m forgetting? How can she begin to feel like she’s making some progress?
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Something that has helped me a lot has been keeping a running total of the number of stock I have in each fund after I buy. I started this back in March 2008 when I was feeling discouraged with the ever-dropping amount in my TSP (I, like Sara, am 24) and this has really helped me see how much progress I’m still making. On the day that my contribution posts, I log in and write down the number of shares I now have in each of my three funds. I also keep track of the balance and how much I have contributed ever (again, easy because I’m young) so I can see how much my investment is really down. The satisfying part, though, is where I multiply my current share amounts by the price of the shares on the day I started this — March 14th 2008. From that, I can tell that even if the market only goes back to that amount, I’ll have gains of 33% right now compared to what I’ve paid in. So while a year later I’m down 31.8%, I know that I really have made progress. Since I’m only 24, I feel confident that the stock market will be at least that high in price when I retire, though most likely will have gains beyond what was already a crappier time.
If nothing else, I can tell you that I own 317 more shares than I did last year.
See, progress.
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Sara should first take a deep breath and stop being so hard on herself. She is very young and has her head on straight. The fact that she is even paying attention to her investments and finances says a great deal about who she is. She is destined to be a millionaire. Trust that. Secondly please don’t listen to any of these idiots, yes idiots who say she shouldn’t pay off her student loans early simply because of the interest rate she has. “Sallie Mae” still has a spare bedroom in those peoples homes and they’ve been out of school for 2 decades. Idiots. Thirdly I agree 100% with everyone who says she should not be concerned with maxing our her Roth IRA yearly. She definitely should NOT be investing 15 percent of her income at this point. She is trying to juggle too many balls at once. She needs to prioritize. She should budget money for fun with every paycheck. It may not be as much as she’d like every week but she needs to blow some. She needs to start with budgeting. Spend every dollar on paper on purpose, establish a small emergency fund, get completely out of debt with everything except the house as quickly as she can, then contribute aggressively to her retirement funds. But before any of that, she should read Dave Ramsey’s The Total Money Makeover. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, to not pay extra on anything until she has read that book.
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I agree with all the folks who think that Sarah should refunnel her funds to pay off her student loan per the Dave Ramsey/psychological view. It’s clear it seems a huge burden to her. There’s that old saying “you can do everything, but not all at once.” Right now, she feels like she’s treading water and not getting ahead because there’s no quick, easy measure for her progress. Seeing the student loan disappear would be big progress, then she could focus on mortgage and retirement. Last, I agree with everyone else that she’s doing an awesome job. Just having a home alone at 24 is impressive.
Shirley
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Always pay off the loan with the higher interest rate and no tax deduction first then move on to the next highest, etc. Look into CD’s instead of regular saving account. Never carry a credit card balance pay them off each month. I also feel you need no more than two credit cards. One for tax deductible expenses and one for normal expenses. Makes tax time easier.
Also avoid filing tax returns with extensions you just give the government your money interest free longer.
Put every dime you can into retirement weather inside a formal retirement fund, Savings bonds, of CD’s.
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2.5% student loans and she’s complaining??! Hell, people tell me my 4.75% ones are fantastic. Personally I’d love to get them down to 2.5% but c’est la vie.
I know how she feels, though. I’m 26, doing the full 401K at work, saving aggressively, selling unwanted possessions that were once “must-have” items to me and aggressively paying down debt.
Last year I paid off my car a year after I bought it. Now I’m trying to build up my emergency fund. I spend very little on possessions and I maybe eat out once a week if I have a date. There are times I wonder if what I’m doing is all worth it.
What I try to do is to remember the things that I do enjoy. I love my photography and while it’s sad to be selling some of the items (I’m selling off some of my film stash since I can’t develop it myself anymore) I remember that I still have more cameras than I’ll ever use and C-41 monochrome films are really good and easy to develop.
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Sara is in a wonderful position. It’s a matter of perspective. From her perspective she’s not gaining any ground. From this 41 year-old’s perspective she’s a model for others to follow. Remember, this is Get Rich Slowly (i.e. in years, not weeks or months). Which, by the way is much better than Get Poor Fast with VISA and Mastercard. Sara, try to look at your situation from the eyes of…say a 35 year-old person and imagine that you have $10-20,000 of credit card debt that you are facing. NOW don’t you feel better about the choices you’re making? You’re doing great, and some day you’ll be very glad you’re toughing it out now. However, others here are correct in that you can afford to lighten up on yourself and re-direct dollars for something you really enjoy. You don’t want to be 60 years old with a wad of cash and nothing of interest to spend it on. Fun is worth every saved penny spent on it.
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First of all, I want to say way to go to Sara for being so dedicated to being responsible. It sounds to me like you are getting a lot accomplished girl!
I’m 22 and am somewhat in the same situation. My husband and I were paying additional money to all of our debts and adding money to all kinds of accounts just trying to do the responsible thing. We were making headway, though not very much. Once we started to eliminate some debt we got a huge psychological boost. And we let that serve as a little lesson to tackle one debt at a time.
With all of that being said, my advice is similiar to what many other people have suggested: choose one goal and stick to it. IMHO, get rid of that student loan just to get the boost from eliminating an obligation.
Also, take some time and do something to “spoil” yourself. It can be a vacation, shopping trip, or even as simple as taking time to sit down and read a good book. I think that will help you to get a little perspective on things and to reward yourself for all the hard work.
Many years in the future you will be so glad that you were responsible at this point in your life.
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Oh, one last thing. Trina is dead on and I do mean dead on.
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I wish I was as smart financially as she is at 24. Keep up the good work, Sara. And don’t be ashamed to blow a little here and there if you feel like it.
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Sara (and perhaps Kathryn and Bill),
You’re making great progress for where you are right now. I’m also 24 and my situation differs just a bit. I have one degree and I’m working on my second so I’m still in school (on a student salary).
I had felt that frustration for about 2 years before my actions started to pay off. To get ahead, I first tried network marketing and ended up going in the opposite direction ($1300 in debt).
While I have no mortgage or student loans, my income at the time was less than the total amount of my debt. While I’ve been good at frugality and saving, it felt like I wouldn’t be going anywhere for…5…10…15 years to come. Without any offense to anyone, I simply just don’t want to wait that long. My fire and drive my get blown out by some kind of circumstance (cue stock market crash).
Instead, I opted for the advice to not just save more money or cut costs but make more money. While working overtime will get you more money, I would suggest looking into starting your own business. There are many ways to do it but I’ve found online to be the least capital intensive (i.e. cost of hosting and a whole lotta work+motivation).
Since starting my web business a year ago, I’ve paid off my credit card debt entirely and make about half of what my regular salary is. As I put more time (perhaps the time you currently put into overtime), the returns from the business continue to grow. I’ve already got about 2 months of my emergency fund built up and I’ll have it up to 6 months in…a couple of months
. After that, I can divert the funds from the business to investing in other avenues or right back into building another.
Rinse, wash, repeat until income far exceeds expenses and you’re free. On this plan, complete financial freedom will take me 5 years (and that’s being conservative).
I’d definitely look into it. If you don’t feel like you’re web savvy, there are a number of affordable programs on the market that show how to build a profitable web business. Also, if you’re not keen to doing business offline, there is probably some skill or specialized knowledge (or hobby) that you have that could be a jump off point for possible offline (or online) businesses.
Hope this helps. The more money everyone makes is the better we all do.
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I think she should try really hard to get rid of the student loan debt. It’s only 4K. I paid off my 7K loan in 5 months. Granted, I did put a LOT of money towards it, but I feel a lot better now. It’s just another thing hanging over her head. Even if interest is low, there’s no sense in carrying that debt.
Good for her on the mortgage payments! Of course paying down a mortgage is a long-term thing so she won’t see immediate satisfaction, but she started early and I think many people would be way better off if they followed her example. If she can afford to keep the additional payments up, then she should.
The way the economy is, her investments accounts probably are losing $$$, but that’s normal. Everyone’s is. She should continue putting money into them. I don’t know much about investing (I’m 23 and still in the paying off debt/building emergency fund stage), but maybe she should talk to a financial expert.
I agree she should budget in some money for fun. She seems very level-headed and to be on the right track, so it’s not like she will screw herself over if she spends some money now and then.
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I agree JD, Sarah needs to add a little fun!
Sarah should realize that if building great habits for a lifetime is the goal, she is doing FAB.
If the idea is to build wealth, during a global recession is not the time to look for results. My 401K has lost close to 50% of its value in the past year, but I am still contributing, because I want to always be in the habit of putting that money away (yes I am paying attention to allocation and risk!).
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Extra thought:
To echo other comments. Schedule money for fun!
If you use Mint.com, be sure to put a budget in for entertainment. Depending on your income let it be $100-$300 per month.
10% Savings
10% Debt
10% Fun
70% Expenses
That’s what my paycheck looks like each month with the exception of revenue from business. That goes straight to the ’6 months of wealth’ account. Increase your income, maintain your means, and set it all on autopilot…including having fun money each month
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@Marc:
I really like what you’re doing there Marc, taking that extra time and turning it not only into additional income, but additional income that has an accelerated growth model. I myself find myself having spare time and was wondering what others here think I should do with it?
Should I go back to to school and persue a Master’s in Accounting? Take on overtime work or a part-time job? Put effort into hobbies, self betterment and my health? Enjoy my freedom while I have it?
Right now I’m ‘enjoying’ my freedom, but often I find this fairly unfulfilling, and I know I suffer some small degree of guilt knowing I could be more productive to society in my ‘vibrant youth’.
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She isn’t focusing her efforts on one thing. She should accelerate her debt-payment on either the car or the home, not both, and she should probably consider her goals, short-term and long-term. Saving for retirement and not for other big and short term goals (e.g. wedding, baby, education) might mean she is not as ahead as she thought later on.
She is more likely to see results with a snowball plan.
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Saving money in 401(k), Roth IRA, savings account, etc. IS in fact getting ahead. The letter writer is choosing to not spend on material luxuries that are external indicators of “getting ahead”.
If she wants more material wealth, she can pursue a better paying job/career to have more discretionary income.
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I think Sara’s looking in the wrong place for results. I mean, *everyone’s* retirement funds are staying the same or falling despite continued contributions. That’s because the world economy is in a jam. No matter what you do right now, you’re not going to see an increase there.
But wait until the economy turns around. You’re currently, in effect, buying into stocks and funds while they’re undervalued. In a few years, they’ll be back up to normal values, and you’ll see your funds soar.
Sara, you’re doing great on everything that’s within your control. You’re not going to see the numbers you want to see because of factors out of your control. I agree with JD’s suggestion that you invest a little money in something that makes you feel good – think of it as frugal compared to therapy.
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I’ve never seen that chart before, but I wish I would have seen it years ago. Because I’ve spent so much time trying to get somewhere on my debt (only school loans left – yay!) I sometimes have a hard time getting the things I want or even some things that I need. That balance is something I want to work toward, but I think it will take time, especially until I feel like I’ve gotten somewhere on saving for a house etc.
I think you’re right that we often forget in our fast food culture is that it does take time. “Why isn’t this immediate?” we may think and get frustrated along the way. I have to remember that it’s about direction and progress as much as it is about numbers.
My last thought about this is something my husband reminds me every time I look at my investments and say: Ahhh..I’ve lost thousands. He always responds – you haven’t lost anything. You still have the same amount of shares that you had when you started. You can only say you’ve lost something if you’re looking to take it out, then you can look at what you’ve gained or lost. Since your investing for the long term, you haven’t lost anything yet.
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@ Bill
I know what you mean about having free-time and a sense of fulfillment Bill. In Getting Things Done, David Allen explains how we have things parked in the back of our mind that act like psychological ball and chains. Until you set a specific time to deal with it or get to dealing with it, it gnaws at your subconscious and you’ll never be 100% effective in what you do…even if what you’re doing is just having fun.
If you’re looking to figure out what you want to do, (and this goes for Sara and everyone else as well), try going here:
http://passionpuzzle.com/
It’s a tool related to the Power of Focus for College Students (which I wish I read my first year in college and not my last) that helps you find what your life’s passion/dream career should/would include.
For me, it’s business and generating revenue through an ‘accelerated growth model’ because I feel like if I have the time, energy, and motivation to pull it off, I better get crackin on it. That may or may not be for you. However, if you know what drives/interests you and think other people have similar interests, then there’s probably some kind of good/service that they would find value in and willingly give you money for it.
Find that and you have your business. All that’s next is a little research on target markets/demand, supply (competition) and then you can hop to providing it for them.
While investing is a way out for some, it’s like what Robert Kiyosaki says about diversification.
Only diversify if you’re not sure what you’re doing. Diversification protects you from lack of knowledge.
The same applies for business. Go into business in what you know. If you have a specialty, you can turn a profit faster than investing can…especially if you’re under 25 with not too much to invest.
Remember, you can increase your means if you increase your income. Just make sure you’re income grows faster (and have plan B, C & D in place i.e. 6 months of wealth, emergency funds for when your car dies)
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My first advice to Sara is to live life – money only buys things you can’t get the years back that you are spending working yourself to death.
Secondly, either look at at your 401K options or do some independent investing and invest in companies that you believe in and want to succeed. By buying shares of companies you believe in you will be supporting things and people you believe in with a business model you understand, be it a small start up or a corporation that you like and believe provides a superior product/service. (Great paraphrased advice from Warren Buffet.)
Congratulations! Your on a great track – I only wish I could have that kind of freedom!
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One thing you can do is try to find a way to make more money. Another thing you can do is learn how to do expensive-but-routine things yourself, such as changing your own oil and brake pads. (And rotate your tires, new ones are expensive.) You can look into a credit card that pays 2% cash back on all purchases (_only_ if you have the discipline to pay the card off in full each month). Yet another thing you can do is to take a longer view of things – when the stock market is going down, it can feel like your investments are disappearing, but that often isn’t really so. Our best days lie ahead — the market going down really just creates a really good opportunity to buy more stock at attractive prices. Hope these tidbits help, good luck!
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Some times we get so caught up in the savings that we have blinders on. Don’t let your wish to make it all happen now, blind you to living your life. After all the average age for women is 85. If you spend all that time with your nose to the grind stone, all you’ll ever see is a grind stone.
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I haven’t read ALL of the previous comments, so forgive me if this is repeated, but I’m 24 and in a roughly similar situation. It’s easy to think you have to do EVERY smart decision–max out a Roth, contribute to a 401K, pay extra on loans. For me, I like Dave Ramsey’s suggestion of paying off low balance stuff first (I know it doesn’t make perfect mathematical sense, but it is much more rewarding for some people). If I were in this exact same situtation, I would pay the minimum on the mortgage, limit my 401K and Roth contributions to 10% of my income, and pay off my student loan QUICK.
With that gone, I could use the combined money for the student loan payment and house payment to pay extra against principal of my house and just continue to slowly stock money away. When you limit yourselves to these types of things, it’s so much easier to save for things you want (and fun to watch the balances of the money set aside of that go up).
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No one at 24 should be paying extra to their mortage: not unless tehy have so much Moola that they can pay it off in full w/i 10 years. Place all of that extra money towards the student loans, and BAM, it’ll go away right quick. With savings-accounts below the intrest from the student loans (which is a really small amount of student loans, by the by), that’s a better investment.
Don’t worry about stocks being down right now: That’s GREAT for someone our age (i’m 28), it’s like buying stock on sale! all of this extra money (and i WISH i had as much as you do to stock aside!! WOW) will mean you’ll have to do SO much less down the road!
I agree with JD’s suggestion of making room in your budget for fun-monies, howerver. You’ll drive yourself insane.
I’d add, that you should only check your 401k every few months: otherwise you’ll start to micro-manage, and grind yourself down with fees. Place most of the money into an index fund, and sit back. You probably won’t be albe to keep up that % once you have any kids (if you will), so take advantage now!
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One of the best pieces of advice that I read on this site was to establish saving goals to get motivation for saving money.
As with anything else, long term goals are served by having shorter term goals as incremental steps to keep motivated.
How about scheduling small rewards for saving incremental amounts of money?
For example, out of every $100 you save allow yourself to eat out or go to museum on a Saturday afternoon instead of doing a chore?
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In general, I agree with what everyone else has said. Sara *is* doing great financially. What advice would I give her? Cut the overtime, and cut some of the extra payments towards everything. You’ll feel better about life if you have some time to enjoy it.
I don’t like the balanced money formula at all, though. Suppose your needs only cost 25% of your income? Then the formula immediately becomes useless. It presumes you will make exactly twice what it costs to just barely survive, and that means it’s only applicable to a very small percentage of people.
Really, it should just say “save 20% of your income, spend the rest on whatever”. Who cares if you spend 40% on needs and 40% on wants instead of 50% on needs and 30% on wants? How is that worse?
“Needs” and “wants” are, for the most part, completely arbitrary categories anyway, and we could easily fit almost any purchase we make into either category based on our own justifications.
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*grumble grumble*
$4000 in student loans at 2.5%, eh?
I know people like to make it about themselves when they comment, but (super bold)seriously(/super bold) guys look at me.
I had close to $80,000 dollars in student debt when I finished college. $72,000 of which was at 7.52%.
You seem like in an awesome place, especially when I consider the mortgage-esque payments I’m paying (especially while not actually owning a home.)
Congrats, but I would suggest trying not to over think it.
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I rather find ways to make more money cause I have not a lot of discipline when it comes to saving.
And believe me, once you get in “making money mode”, you’ll see lots of opportunity you never saw before.
Making money without working endless hours is also a lot easier than most people think.
A couple of years ago, I was so tired of living from paycheck to paycheck that I decided it was over. Within 1.5 years, I went from $45k per year to $25k per MONTH and I work only 30 hours a week.
It’s all about the mindset…
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she’s definitely doing everything right.. but just like your website name.. the game is GET RICH SLOWLY.. not GET RICH OVERNIGHT! these things take time.. if she keeps doing what she’s doing.. in a decade she will be in good shape
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Sounds like Sarah is expecting some sort of overnight miracle, after which her student loans will be repaid, she’ll have a million dollars in her retirement accounts, and her mortgage will be paid.
She says she’s getting all the “wrong results”, but isn’t she seeing the balance on her loans drop each month, if only by a small amount? Isn’t she seeing her investments grow (again, if only by a small amount)? Sounds to me like she’s doing everything right for the LONG TERM, not for tomorrow, the next day, or even next week or month.
It takes time to see results. If Sarah wants immediate gratification, she might want to add some ‘fun money’ into her budget, so she feels less deprived. But in my estimation, she’s well on her way to financial independence—-as long as she’s willing to be a little more patient. I wish I’d been so intelligent and committed at her age!!!
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$4000 in student loans? Come on, I’m almost 28, and I still have $32,000 in student loans to pay off.
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Like some of the others mentioned:
Take a break from investing/saving, make sure the emergency fund is in place, then focus everything on getting rid of the school debt.
Once the debt is paid off, resume where you left off, except now putting the amount paid toward debt into your general expenses.
Still be frugal, live simply, but you can choose to spend that extra on whatever fun things come up. You will then continue making progress, but will feel really good about having some extra to do whatever with and not worry about hurting yourself.
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@Trina:
“Telling people who are just barely starting to get their finances together to lighten up and spend a little is like telling a person who just lost 200 pounds to lighten up and have a little cake! As if the ultimate reward is really to indulge, not be happy with less.”
I would say Sara is well beyond just barely getting her finances together. I would definitely tell someone who lost 200 pounds to eat cake if they want it — since it’s highly likely that they understand that they can indulge in a piece of cake as long as they do so responsibly. Study after study has shown that successful dieting is the result of not only counting calories, but also being able to still have indulgences — denial is not a viable long term strategy. Sounds curiously similar to personal finance, doesn’t it? Spend less than you earn, and budget for what you want to achieve.
From the perspective of someone who is retiring in 50 years, this stock market is absolutely fantastic — many, many fantastic companies are on sale. It’s a similar story for first-time home buyers and people who can afford to buy up investment property, especially if you can pay cash for something. Which is where Sara could be in 20-30 years — basically “independently wealthy”
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Keep the faith. I felt exactly like this when we were saving for a house. I was sure we’d never get there, it felt like running in molasses. But you’d be amazed how fast it can turn around. I’m in a house much nicer than I ever dreamed back then, and looking back, I can now see how quickly I went from “we’ll never be able to buy a house” to homeowner. Sometimes it helps to write down your goals and every moth write down what you’ve accomplished towards them. You’re probably making better progress than you think, it’s easy to overlook the baby steps that are taking you where you want to go(especially if you are as impatient as I am!)
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I really agree with what you’re saying. I’m in a similar boat (though quite a bit behind her).
I’m 23, recently married.
I have $2500 in CC debt
About $30,000 in student loans
No mortgage
Contributing 10% to my employer matched (7%) 401(k)
Contributing little bits to a HYSA
I think the only thing that has kept me on track and not being discouraged at my slow progress has been my fun budget, our household budget and “for others” budget. Because of those I’m allowed to splurge on others in need (friend is sick, get her flowers), buy small things to make our home welcoming (household) and save up for things just for me without feeling guilty. Each budget only has a little assigned, but its enough to keep me from feeling like there’s a financial noose around my neck.
Being able to do little, fun things really help me enjoy where I am now, even though I’m not making insane progress toward my goals. Slow and steady wins the race!
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There’s no question about it- you HAVE to have that balance financially. You’ll get burned out so quickly unless you give yourself some money to play with.
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Sarah didn’t mention this, but what about volunteering or donating to a good cause?
Financially, I’m way behind Sarah and I’m a fair bit older. I also feel like I’m not getting ahead even though I’m making smart financial choices. I think most people are frustrated with their finances in one way or another — and it’s hard to see right now how our choices will benefit us in the future.
However, I’m starting to realize that if you really want to make your money count, do something for someone less fortunate than you are.
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It sounds like Sara needs a better-paying job. Saving a large percentage of jack squat is still jack squat.
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I would also feel depressed if I thought it would take “years” to pay off just $4000 in student loans. So, don’t make it take that long. That’s silly. Pay $500 per month (or more) to the loan, and get rid of it in way under a year. If you need to, temporarily stop putting money in retirement and savings (just for a few months) to throw more money at your loan. It will be a psychological boost to not feel it hanging there anymore.
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You are in the same situation as everyone else. You’ve been fed the lie of an easy retirement by dumping all your money into the stock market. You were just feeding the insatiable greed of Wall St. They are done with you (for now). Until there are viable retirement plans that do not involve shares of companies it will always be this way.
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@V. Higgins — Get a copy of The Total Money Makeover. Knock out that $32K in debt and you will be in a much better place.
@Adam — Look at the stock market over any 30 year period, and realize that any solid retirement plan involves lessening risk as you get closer to retirement age.
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I agree with #5- Sara should focus her money into 1 type of investment so she can see the gains that she’s making.
For example: Paying down her mortgage. If she focuses on that, she’ll see the gains that she’s making and feel excited about the prospect of getting that paid off. When that’s paid off, she can then focus on investing for retirement. She’ll have extra money to contribute each month because she no longer has to pay the mortgage. It’s like paying off credit card debt, you pay one card off and then move to the next one until it’s all paid off.
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@Jason to V. Higgins
Yes, ditto. On my snowball right now. It’s amazing, and actually a bit fun! I’m the nerd.
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Sara needs to focus. Frugality and saving is great, but if it’s going to take anyone “years” to pay off a measily $4000 student loan, you’re doing it wrong.
Stop all contributions to retirement savings and attack that loan. It shouldn’t take more than a few months to pay that off.
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It sounds like Sara wants to get rich quickly– house and student loan payments are designed to take years to pay off. I’m her age and have almost the exact same set up, except I don’t make house payments. I make $10 an hour and could pay her student loans off in less than a year.
My advice is to work less, pay less in taxes, and develop personal skills and enjoy your life in the time you save for free.
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Great advice! It should keep her from getting discouraged–her savings will go up soon enough, she’ll see her progress, and if she has some fun money she won’t feel like she’s punishing herself for no good reason.
I wish I had that kind of discipline at 24!
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My guess, as others have said, is paying off the student loan would be a nice mental boost.
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My advice to Sara is not to check her 401(k) or Roth IRA all the time. Look at it once a year. Have it all on autopilot.
I only learned how much I lost this financial crisis in December when I did my annual reallocation of my IRA and 401(k). I keep both allocated at 90% stocks and 10% bonds.
Anyway, it’s crazy to be 24 and worried about the value of your retirement accounts. I’m 24, lost 30% of my retirement savings in the “crisis” and really could care less. I have over 41 years to recover.
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Look at the market from the early 80s until now. Notice the huge bubbles and resulting implosions? Do you know what correlates to that same time period? The fall of pension benefits and the invention of the 401(k). We as a country are fueling the very greed that is so apparent right now.
And then, of course, there is the tax-deferred nature of the 401(k) and the very real possibility that when we are at retirement age the tax rate will be SIGNIFICANTLY higher than it is now to cover health benefits and mind-blowing amount of national debt.
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Agree with anyone that has mentioned Dave Ramsey and the snowball effect.
It sounds like Sara needs a psychological boost. Paying off the loan or a trip to Europe would provide that. Of course so would hearing all these people say great job, you’re right on track and I wish I was in your position at 24.
Great job Sara, you’re right on track.
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