Ask the Readers: Where’s the Fun in Personal Finance?
Published on - April 10th, 2009 (by J.D. Roth) I’ve received a ton of great questions and comments recently that probe beyond the basic mechanics of money management and get to the heart of why we do these things. For example, Brent dropped a line last week wondering if making smart financial decisions ought to make him happy. Here’s his message:
You and many of your readers clearly get joy from financial planning. My wife and I have gone through Dave Ramsey’s Financial Peace University. We have no debt but our mortgage, and we’re making double payments on that. We follow a budget, and we invest 15% of our income. None of this is fun. We find it ho-hum at best. What is it that delights you and your readers?
This is a great question, and it gets to the heart of a subject I’ve written about a lot recently: finding balance.
When we spend too much, when we go into debt, we’re pursuing all joy, but only in the present. But when we cut back so far that we’re drinking watered-down hot chocolate, we’re sacrificing our present for the future. A balance has to be struck.
And I do think it’s possible to find a balance. I think it’s possible to do the responsible things — to budget, to save, to invest — and still have fun. I also think that each person takes a different route to finding joy in personal finance.
Using myself as an example, I do not like to budget. So I don’t. I use a rough spending plan as a guide, but I don’t force myself to “stay within the lines”. Nor do I like to fuss with details, so I try to automate as much as possible, and I’m moving toward a system of paperless personal finance.
On the other hand, I had a lot of fun figuring out how to pay off my debt. Once I was committed to debt reduction, it became a challenge to find new ways to save money and, especially, to earn more. How much could I pay off in a single month? How much could I earn?
Once the debt was gone, the next challenge was to create a lifestyle that let me do what I wanted while also providing me with the income I needed. I knew that I wanted to write, and that I wanted to work from home. Could I make this happen? I didn’t know when I started, but that just pushed me to work harder to make it happen.
Although I don’t write enough about it here at Get Rich Slowly, I get a kick out of anything that deals with increasing my income. It’s like a game. It brings me joy.
Recently, Frugal Bachelor complained that personal-finance blogs aren’t challenging enough. He means that most of us write about the basics, but we don’t talk enough about how to pursue our dreams. This is a great point.
It’s vital that you have goals. Goals give purpose and meaning to your financial decisions. If you’re accelerating your mortgage and saving 15% for retirement, but you’re only doing it because Dave Ramsey (or J.D. Roth) says you should be doing it, you need to examine your priorities. These are great steps, to be sure, but you have to do them for reasons that are clear to you. I cannot tell you what your financial goals are or should be — and neither can Dave Ramsey. You need to discover these for yourself.
In Frugal Bachelor’s post, he wrote, “You can max out your 401(k) year after a year, but if you never actually use it to do something, it’s no better than having tens of thousands of dollars in debt.” Your financial decisions must be made with purpose. You must begin with the end in mind.
What delights me? What is my purpose right now? Saving for goals. For so long, I was saving to pay off debt that I now get a buzz when I see how much I’m saving toward the things I want.
Regulars at Get Rich Slowly know that I pine for a Mini Cooper. I visit the Mini website to design my own model about once per month. (On Wednesday, I made the mistake of actually dropping by a showroom to sit in the new Minis.) Because I want this so badly, I’ve found new ways to dig up the money. It’s a terrible longing, but it’s also a good thing. It gives purpose to my saving.
I also get joy out of saving for a vacation with Kris, and out of planning for new furniture in the “man room” downstairs. I’ve learned that the little things that used to bring me fleeting pleasure — buying CDs or comic books or videogames — cannot compare to the joy I get from setting and meeting big financial goals. That is what delights me.
What delights you? What brings you joy in personal finance? What gives you purpose? Or, like Brent, do you find that you struggle to find the fun in it?
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It’s all about how we frame our perspective. For us, we attach paying off debt directly to being closer to our big-picture goals.
For example when we were saving for our Australia move, each time we paid off a debt we would literally attach that to more time Scuba Diving the Great Barrier Reef.
Taking actual, physical steps to link our financial sacrifices to tangible aspects of our long-term goals is essential to us maintaining that balance.
If you aren’t trying this, I strongly suggest you do. It’s worked wonders for us!
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It brings me joy to know, that we are going up (healthy finances) instead of going down (debt).
I find it fun to find bargains on the things we need. My husband finds it fun to work with our budgets etc.
But best of all: I love the thought of my family having options in the future: Do I want to be a stay at home mom? Can we afford 2, 3, 4 or more children? Does my husband want to start his own business? If we had not paid attention, we could have immersed ourselves in debt and expenses, that would exclude us from these options.
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…same here w/ the MINI. Pay-off/save/thrift/plan….here’s hoping we flash headlights some day.
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I love watching a debt balance go down. It’s also a lot of fun to watch a savings balance rise when it’s dedicated to something I really want. That want can be something fun, like a vacation, or something more ho-hum, like a new washing machine. But watching that balance increase and knowing that I CAN have some of the things I really want without going into debt for them, really is fun for me.
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In terms of investing, I actually spend lots of time telling people that investing isn’t supposed to be fun.
It’s about saving for things you want to do in your life. Those are the fun part.
Keep the actual investing boring.
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I have to say I agree with Frugal Bachelor’s post. I’ve gotten to a point where personal finance doesn’t get me as jazzed as it used to.
When I first bumped into Trent’s site, I was telling everyone about it and reading every single old post I hadn’t yet read.
Now? I go over there every now and then, and maybe once a week I’ll see something I’m really digging, but otherwise it feels like the magic is gone for me.
It’s tough, I also wonder what I can do to make this stuff more entertaining, not just for the reader but for myself.
I think of personal finance as a process that, while you don’t quite “finish it,” there is a point where you’ve gotten the basics down, automated them, and gotten a handle on most of it.
There’s always more to learn, but it’s just not the same.
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The fun for me is in seeing progress. When you get away from living paycheck to paycheck with zero savings you start freeing up money that can go to you and not creditors. Its like you get a raise in your income. Depending on how bad a person’s money situation was, when they start seeing real progress that tomorrow is better it can spill over into other areas of their life.
People buy lottery tickets and then dream about what they will spend their millions on. Getting rid of debt and improving your finances is much the same except that you really will get your payoff.
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It feels good to do the “right thing”. In my spendthrift days (not that far behind me), with every inane indulgence and every slap of the credit card I felt that nudge of my conscience. And ignored it.
When the immediate gratification did not distract me from what was really behind my spending (bad mood, feeling less-than, being dazzled by pretty-pretty, the promise of enlightenment after “this book” or “that class”), I felt twice as lousy – my life did not change for the better, I was not a better person, and now I was further in debt. (AM in debt). Most of what is promised through these types of expenditures can be gotten for free.
The psychology of money is fascinating. It’s deeper and more complex than a lot of people seem to think – all tied up with self-worth, our values, how our family made and spent money, and most fundamentally, issues of Power (power over others, feeling empowered with others, feeling overpowered) and Freedom. If you have a spouse or mate with whom you share finances, you can double the size and complexity of that ball of spaghetti.
And finding balance is always a challenge. Now that I’m in charge of our finances, I have to resist the urge to be a Miserable Miser. I know when I’ve gone over the edge if I’m begrudging an ice cream cone for myself or a $10 pizza for the kids. We are still able to make the (large) payments set aside for our credit card debt, pay our other bills, put money in savings/retirement. I DAILY have to remind myself of this, it’s not automatic yet.
I can’t think of a more worthwhile place to delve in building financial wealth and health. Sheer Willpower isn’t enough, and it’s boring.
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Good morning, JD, thanks for mentioning my post! I’m excited to see articles on this topic, I’m very much in very similar personal finance stage of life, so your recent posts on similar topics have been very interesting to me. Looking forward to the discussion today. Have a great weekend!
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This is something I have trouble with. I save much more from fear of being a bag lady in my old age than anything else.
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So how long do you think it’ll be before you get to buy your Mini? We’ve just started saving for a car; ours has over 200,000 miles on it (but still going strong so far) and we’re drooling over the Honda Fit.
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I agree with what Kirstine said (#2). We take joy in having a lot of choices available to us. We don’t have to be as “practical”, because we don’t have to make as much money as possible to support the life we want. We can let our life goals guide us, to a greater extent, than if we were tied to debt and were living paycheck-to-paycheck.
We also delight in being able to think outside the box, because our financial picture doesn’t require 2 salaries, or even our current earnings level.
And more immediately, I think it’s fun to sleep well at night, knowing that if we lose our one income in a down economy, we’ll be OK and can continue our current lifestyle almost indefinitely.
The joy is in the big picture, not the day-to-day entering of credit card receipts in Quicken.
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I take an almost perverse delight in understanding the irrational financial behavior of myself and others, and how to control, curb, and reshape it into something useful.
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I think my problem with saving is . . . I don’t really have a goal other than retirement. My house is paid for, my car is paid for, no credit card debt, small emergency savings inplace (working on beefing it up a bit though), but otherwise . . . I’m doing okay. Great, in fact. So for me, Im sort of saving for that abstract/far away retirement. For me, right now, with the hit I took with the markets, I’m focusing on rebuilding what I already have in place – 403B (10% of salary goes here), TIAACREFF (6%, plus 6% matched goes here) and maxing out a ROTH IRA every year. It’s not as exciting as saving for a Mini Cooper, but . . . I guess I gather small joy in seeing it slowly build back up after this mess we find ourselves in. I’m 25 years from retirement, so . . . working on figuring out exactly what KIND of retirement I want.
Thanks for you great blog JD . . . I really enjoy your views and comments!
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Interesting post.
Just thinking out loud here, but I think personal finance has it’s own 80/20.
We probably get satisfaction from less than 20% of the things we buy. The other 80% usually is gone without us ever knowing it.
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The joy in personal finance comes from buying something with your own money without a second thought.
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Completely off topic, but if you believe as I do, that a high inflation period is enevitable, then why would you be all about paying down debt? It seems best to me to leverage what money you have a little more, and pay off these 5% loans much easier when we see 10-20% inflation. I’d love to hear your thoughts…
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JD-long time reader,first time post. I think of personal finance and all that it involves as an escape plan. Money doesn’t buy happiness but it does give you freedom. That to me it the most important part. Living paycheck to paycheck is like being in prison or on a permanent treadmill to nowhere. I just wanted to say that “what next” posts for those of us that are debt free and already saving are great. You are the only one addressing that point and there are a lot of us there now.
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We booked a vacation to Prague in November 2003 for March 2004. By the time we went, we had paid off and restored the balances to our accounts other than food on the ground and souvenirs.
When we returned, we paid a $200 credit card bill in full, and there was nothing else to deal with financially. It felt great, and we have a week of wonderful memories to last a lifetime.
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Knowing that the money we put away today, from jobs that we enjoy, will supply the fuel to see grandchildren and build wood furniture in the future is totally worth it.
Personally, I am addicted to the market. My sister (also addicted) likes us to gamblers! She is probably right. I guess we are strange- we both enjoy our “money talk” time. I’d say we are pretty good winners at this point.
Maybe, if we had been born ten years later, we both would have been stock brokers (opps- financial counselors ;>0)
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I agree with JD, you have to find a system that works for you and also works. We don’t budget either but use a yearly spending plan and a monthly allowance system that allows us to save for short, medium and long term goals while also allowing us to enjoy our present.
I enjoy tracking our savings goals (like I enjoyed watching our debt shrink when we were working on Baby Step #2) and I really enjoy not having any debt (except the mortgage) it is a wonderful freeing feeling especially in these difficult economic times. Mr. Sam regularly asks how I knew back in 2007 that it was time to pay off all our debt (the timing was linked to our marriage in late 2006) and how I knew to build up our emergency fund in 2008 (it was Baby Step #3). When you have no debt and your day to day finances are in order its great to go out on Friday and have a couple of drinks or dinner and not worry about money.
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I’m a lot like Lisa (#6), in that during my spendthrift days, my debt was weighing me down in many ways. First was the uncertainty and stress. I think anyone who’s been in serious debt understands the knot in your stomach when you’re barely paying the minimums on your bills and you suddenly have a thousand dollar expense pop up, and you know the only way to handle it is to dump more debt onto the mountain you’re already fighting. Second was that the debt itself is very limiting. When you squander your money on all sorts of unnecessary purchases, you don’t have money to do things that are important to you. In our case, that was making major repairs around the house. Third was that all of the purchases were turning into clutter, which was it’s own burden. I would be reluctant to throw out anything because I’d spent “good money” on it (i.e. I was *still* paying for it) yet the way my house was always a mess depressed me.
I can understand Brent’s observation that some people take a greater joy in the frugality side, while for others it’s a lot of work. I freely admit that I’m an atypical PF blog reader, in that I chose a slower path to fully repaying my debts so that I would still have some room for experiences or things that bring me joy. I did this because I recognized that, in my case, extreme frugality was not a long-term solution for me. Psychologically, I could only maintain that type of discipline for a very short time before I began to rebel against it and usually ended up further in debt. Instead, I slowly addressed one aspect of my finances at a time. Right now, I’m at a point where I’m steadily paying down my debt, slowly building an emergency fund, and carefully saving up for the occasional indulgence. It’s a million miles from where I was the day my credit card was rejected, and I realized the hole I’d dug for myself, a spoonful at a time.
I find joy in the process in a number of different ways. I’m thrilled to see the gradual decrease in my debt. I’m relieved when unexpected expenses crop up, and I don’t have to turn to my credit cards to handle them. I’m excited when I *do* make a purchase, and I’m using cash that I’ve saved to cover it. And I’m ecstatic to finally be moving to a new stage in my finances, where I’m no longer just keeping my head above water, but I’m actually choosing directions to move in.
I didn’t initially read PF blogs when I was starting out. To be honest, it probably would have intimidated me at that point, as it would have seemed unthinkable that I could be as successful at getting rid of debt as so many others have been. But as I’ve slowly regained control, I find myself reading more and more, both to share celebrations with other people who are on similar journeys and to gather suggestions for ways to either make my current path more enjoyable/successful, or for ways to handle the road that stretches out PAST the last debt repayment.
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To begin with, I’ve always enjoyed working with numbers, so budgeting is fun for me.
I also get a kick out of knowing where we stand financially. In the days before I had a truly workable budget in place, not knowing exactly what our financial condition was caused me a lot of stress.
As for being frugal, living within a budget, trying to find the best values for our money, etc., I enjoy the immediate challenge as well as making progress toward larger goals.
As my husband and I make progress toward these larger goals, we find that immediate gratification via most small purchases (meals out, music CDs, magazines, etc.) isn’t very gratifying after all.
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What delights me is hacking & tweaking my financial system: transferring money from regular checking into my high yield savings account, renegotiating the cell bill, killing cable, that sort of thing. I like the process, the feel that I’m actively improving my situation, without monkeying with the really serious bits (401K, for instance, where I have my asset mix defined & automatically rebalanced).
I also reward myself from time to time on the way to my goals. For example, I set a dollar goal for my high yield savings account. Once I hit it, I spent a tiny portion of it on something I would enjoy. For me, this self payment takes the obligation aspect out of the process.
Cheers!
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I think part of the joy in personal finance is avoiding the misery of being in debt and worrying about money. It’s addition by subtraction, so to speak. I also think that once you move beyond the basics of personal finance and into investing, there are lots of interesting topics that could get you fired up, because you have the potential to make more money that way. I also don’t think living frugally ever really makes your life worse, you just get used to the changes and sort of take pride in the fact that you’re spending less than many of the people around you.
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My joy in personal finance comes from playing with the spreadsheets of my budget at the end of every month (and often times midmonth). Instead of using subaccounts at ING, I create subaccounts in the spreadsheet to earmark money. At the end of the month when I see I’ve spent less than my budget I get to move some or all of that money to one of my goal accounts: new car or house downpayment. I routinely put money into those anyways, but it feels good to get to put (essentially) bonus money into them.
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I agree with many of the readers above, being debt free and “automated” helps me not stress about the financial side of things. This lets me see what really give me joy (wife, son, hobbies) and lets me not spend all my time worrying that a lost job in a bad economy puts me on the streets.
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The fun, for me, is two part. First, I get that strange, excel-spreadsheety satisfaction of a plan working itself out correctly. This is the nerdy fun, I suppose.
The other fun is really simple: lack of worry. I can spend $20 from my personal cash envelope knowing that those dollars are accounted for and not taking away from my ability pay rent, keep lights on, etc.
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It’s easy for me to find purpose, since I still have a lot big ticket items. Number 1 on the list is an engagement ring (if the lady friend decides she wants a new one instead of her grandmother’s). After that, wedding. After that, big ol’ down payment on a house. In between all that, I’ll be visiting my sister down in Texas (I’m in MA) and it would help if I could afford it.
So my joy in saving is knowing that I’ll be able to spend time with my sister who is one of my closest friends, have a nice wedding to share my love of my soon-to-be fiancee with my family and friends, and to save towards a home that we can share together.
Don’t worry about just me paying for the wedding and house though, the girlfriend and I have talked and she’s fully on the spending train with me. Once we live together we plan on living on less than my salary and saving all of hers and then some.
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J.D.,
I have been reading your posts for about a month now. I read it because it is more in line with what I believe. Keep up the good work.
My wife and I have only the mortgage (new home owner
) and car loans. I only carry a credit-card debt when they offer me deals. And then pay it off before the deal expires. I used to track my FICO score like a hound dog until a year ago.
But, of late, I have been thinking about what you tell in this post – missing the fun. Am I missing the fun? I have taken couple of vacations in the last year and splurged once in a while. So I don’t think that’s my problem.
My goal is having a fun quotient (albeit small) in my day-to-day life. This is fun sustenance. Without it, as you sa,y my other goals mean nothing. That means for me personally not looking at my finances daily with a microscope(!?!).
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Good question to ask! It’s not always fun to be frugal when you’re assailed by advertisements and a culture that tells you buying more, is more. I guess it is a matter of balance and focus.
Saving and investment is a kind of ho hum, slow, sometimes tedious process. If that’s all you’re doing, then yeah, it’s not fun and exciting. Are you giving yourself enough $ for things that bring pleasure and enjoyment to your life?
For me, I find saving exciting when I finally realized I am saving to be able to leave the career I’m currently in and find a more fulfilling one. I get excited when I think about how I will be able to make the transition a bit more smoothly, as I’m getting my financial house in order before I switch. Also- I started a vacation savings fund last week. It’ll be a while before I really have some money to go places, but I’m already dreaming about the places I can go! That’s fun for me
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The real joy is the fact that when I live well within my means I have *alot* of freedom. As I am now if I lost my job I could live just fine for years since I live well below my means and have alot saved. If I keep my job, I know that I can provide for my mom and sister if required. I would simply have to cut down my “wants” spending and possibly cut my savings.
Ultimately it’s not having to worry about money. Not having to worry about a roof over my head, food in my belly, and the necessities….now or when I retire.
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Kristine in #2 totally nailed it.
I don’t have any big goals right now. I’m single, done with school for now, have a job I like well enough, and am just chugging along. No real plan.
But, what keeps me motivated is knowing that the better financial foundation I build now, the more freedom and options I’ll have if one day I do find a direction that I’m really passionate about. Slooooowly paying down student loans isn’t fun; driving around in a very un-sexy car isn’t fun (as you know); and skipping big splurges isn’t always fun. But I remind myself that doing all of those things now is going to give me a huge amount of freedom in the future.
I guess my goal is debt free with a big ‘ol savings cushion for the sake of future personal freedom.
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I’ve never really thought about it as joy or fun.
What I do find is the difference in the amount of stress in my life if my finances are in line.
Anyone that has been behind with their bills and no money saved for emergency knows how stressful that is.
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I agree with Jeff – it’s the nerdy fun of it all! I’m awful at math, but I love playing with personal finances because I get to feel like I’m beating the system. I am just an eccentric, honestly. I love telling people I get 5% interest on my bank account. I get a kick out of saving 3 cents on gas by driving to the cheapest gas station, always have since I was 16 and first got my license. I get warm and fuzzy when I reuse plastic bags (or anything else) or even drink watered down hot chocolate! I know others here think this stuff is beyond silly, but it makes me happy, and I’m going to keep doing it. I eat $50 dinners out about twice a week, I could cut that out and save 100 times more than any of the other stuff I’m doing. But going out to nice dinner is my quality time with my husband and I don’t need to give it up.
I don’t get a buzz from paying on my debt, but that’s hundreds of thousands of dollars so it’s not meaningful to me. I play a bunch of games with my debt. The only thing that actually gets me excited is when I put together a few bucks to make an extra payment mid month, and then I get to see the next payment take a satisfying bite out of the principal instead of getting eaten up by interest. Makes me feel slick. But even more than that is trying to avoid the feeling I get when I look if I don’t make a payment for a month (I’m in deferment and get to choose): suddenly the interest looks monstrous and I can’t even hit the principal at all with what I’ve got. I hate that feeling and I never skip a payment so I don’t have to have it.
Even someday when I have no debt and all my personal finances are “ho hum” and on autopilot (I can’t wait!), I’m going to get the fun out of figuring out how much I can give to charity, and feel warm and fuzzy about that all the time. Charity is my thing, it gets me jazzed up. It’s my Mini Cooper. It’s my Rushmore!
Maybe you just haven’t found your thing yet?
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Well I don’t agree with frugal bachelor in that having tens of thousands of dollars in the bank is like having tens of thousands of dollars in debt. Having money in the bank is power. I don’t mean power in a bad way. I mean power to go on a spur of the moment vacation, power to splurge on a fancy meal, power to know that I control my own future. And that’s why I think saving money is fun.
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I feel deep satisfaction from savoring being in control of my financial life. I also sit back and truly feel the freedom that comes from having savings, not being controlled by my wants, having a sustainable lifestyle, and being able to make any choice (within reason) that I want – including travel, taking a sabbatical for an extended trip, quitting my job if I wanted and taking my time finding the right new job, being able to help charitable causes and people I care about, etc. The security and freedom are worth so much more than any temporary buzz I’d get from being financially irresponsible and indulgent.
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To me, it’s all about security. It’s nice to know that if something breaks, I can write a check for it and fix and replace it without worrying where the money will come from.
There’s another side too. Whether you call it an allowance, or “blow money” as Dave Ramsey calls it, you can build that into your budget and use that money to chase things that you enjoy. There’s no guilt involved–you spend that much or less, and you’re fine. That’s a lot better than blindly buying things and getting yourself in trouble, or living too cheap and not buying anything at all.
But security is the most important thing. When you have no debt, or minimal debt and a good plan to get out of it, you don’t have to stay in a bad job because you have $3,000 worth of bills you have to pay every single month. You can take a lower paying job that leaves you more freedom or more fulfillment. You can afford to retire at 65 if you want to, and you only have to take a job working at Home Depot because you enjoy it and want something to do, not because you desperately need the money.
To me, personal finance has an enjoyable element to it. My wife doesn’t really enjoy that aspect of it. To her, it’s a means to an end, and nothing more. Which is fine. Some people enjoy the activity and some people only enjoy the results.
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From what people have posted so far, and based on my own experience, I think the joy in PF initially works on two levels:
1) The emotional level: Feeling in control — especially if you recently felt out of control; feeling the self-confidence and satisfaction that come from making a positive change in one’s own circumstances; learning to trust yourself.
2) The financial level: having the freedom to make choices in your spending, and knowing the security net is there beneath you if something goes wrong.
Later, the third level of enjoyment comes from using 1 and 2 to give yourself more time/freedom to live in whatever way is most fulfilling to you.
Sounds as if Brent and his wife are already in control and financially secure. So, Brent, congratulations — now the ball is in your court: what do you and your wife love doing best in all the world, or what do you most want to do? What pastime or occupation brings you joy and/or fulfillment? How can your current financial skills and situation help you to arrange your life so that you spend as much of your future time doing that as possible?
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For me it’s about independence. With money in the bank, if I have a crappy boss and a crappy job I have some freedom to find a better one. If I get laid off, I know I’ll have a place to live and food to eat. When the winter months settle in Seattle, I can escape to some place sunny for a week.
Plus I am a math nerd. Personal finance problems are like real world word problems. I love playing with the variables.
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I think the common misconception of fun is misleading and somewhat hollow.
When personal finance is part of pursuing your dreams, only then does it become truly fulfilling. Sure you may enjoy some of the activities along the way like debt reduction, or investing, but the getting control of your finances does not have much meaning or purpose in and of itself.
And when I am talking about dreams, I am talking about the actions that connect with your soul and fill you with joy and purpose. Things like starting a non profit to dig water wells in Africa, being able to stay home with your children, freedom to pursue the career that resonates with you regardless of money. It is only within that context that things like paying off a mortgage become truly exhilarating.
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I like anything that involves money so I have fun doing anything that will help me increase my net worth.
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As others have mentioned here, I enjoy the liberty and security that comes from knowing that my financial house is in order, of being able to splurge occasionally and to travel. I wouldn’t find it fun, though, to double up on mortgage payments and save 15%.
I save/invest 15%, and I round up my mortgage payments to the nearest hundred. Maybe the margin between what I’m doing and what Brent’s doing is where the fun is?
It sounds like they’re doing great work financially, but working so hard that they can’t enjoy the fruits of their labor. Maybe try reducing the mortgage payments for a couple of months and see if that brings a little joy back? Finding the right balance seems to take some experimentation.
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Sometimes it can feel exhausting but I have found that saving for bigger ticket items rather than pididdling my fun money away on Starbucks (which I still love) definitely gives me a joy that helps me stay motivated in my larger financial goals.
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I enjoy cutting coupons, I make a game out of trying to spend less at the grocery store each week. We challenge ourselves not to buy anything for a certain time period, or not to go out to eat for a certain number of weeks and when we reward ourselves for meeting that goal, it’s fun. We thrill ourselves coming up with free [or lower-cost] alternatives to things our friends enjoy spending money on.
I get a kick out of seeing the amount in my savings accounts go up with each direct-deposited paycheck. I enjoy spending hours taking paid surveys online, for cash or gift cards – I feel like I’m getting paid to talk/give my opinion, like cheating the system somehow. And when I was unemployed for 3 months, it was fun creating challenges to still enjoy myself while not spending money and picking up odd jobs off Craiglist was actually very cool.
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I think most people NEED the basics, they need to hear them, over and over, in new ways, until the light clicks on for them.
for the rest of us, they can serve as important reminders, sometimes finding new, easier ways of doing things that we want to be, anyways.
as to the WHY for me? I am not in debt, nor have i ever been (other then car & mortage). However, i live really close to my income. i live alone (roommate is not an option), so my funds are very streched. focusing on frugality gives me freedome to have money to spend on fun things, rather then just on bills. the freedom to repair my home, so that it’s what i want.
why do we do this? If you’re not doing it for freedom, the freedom to do what you want, and not what you’re FORCED to do, becuase of debt, then i don’t really understand, i guess.
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Fun for my husband and I is…
* trying new things because they’re cheap like going to the library or taking walks together in the moonlight and finding out that they are so much more fun than buying books from the the big box stores or going to the gym.
* enjoying other simple pleasures like lounging around on the weekend instead of rushing from store to store.
* eating yummy homemade food instead of boxed stuff (which now tastes like the crap it is).
* seeing that we really can make a difference in our finances. We now look forward to checking our account balances every weekend!
* figuring out new and better ways to do things.
And thank goodness it is fun because we’re in it for the long run! We tried for years to spend less, but it wasn’t until we discovered the fun side that we started making progress.
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For me it certainly is seeing my nest egg grow. I’ve had a long term goal of having the ~20% down payment for a place I could call my own.
While I potentially have that for a townhouse in the bay area, the thought of actually parting with it and actually going through the buying of a property scares the bejesus out of me. I’m not sure I can actually do it.
Part of that sure is the way the market is right now, but part of it is the fear of carrying that much debt,4k for a car that I could of paid outright, but needed to start my credit history, was the one time I’ve really had debt.
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JD,
I must take strong exception to your statement, “When we spend too much, when we go into debt, we’re pursuing all joy…”. This could not be farther from the truth. And it perpetuates the strong belief in our culture that consuming equates to joy and happiness. Unequivocal scientific evidence has shown that over-consumption and related conditions, such as materialism and narcissism, actually reduce joy and happiness in life.
Contact me if you would like some references to this research. If the general public was more aware of the catastrophic emotional and mental impacts of over-spending and over-consumption, our society would experience significant increases in overall well-being.
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that mini cooper w/ your pic on it still cracks me up lol..
we all have savings goals.. my next “fun” goal is a 2009 infiniti g37 sedan :::drools::: but i’m going to wait a couple years for the depreciation on the car to kick in.. plus i’ll have a few more dollars then
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