In December, I shared a guest post that provided 10 essential steps to take before you’re laid off. But what if it’s too late? What if you’ve already lost your job? In this economy, more and more people are facing that situation, including long-time GRS reader Allen. He writes:
I was laid off yesterday. If it weren’t for Get Rich Slowly, I wouldn’t have any money set aside. As it is, I have a small emergency fund.
For the past 3-1/2 years, I’ve been a quality assurance engineer. Before that I worked at Best Buy. Before that, I dropped out of college. In this job market, I cannot easily find a job in my field; all of them require a college degree, regardless of experience. To this end, I’m thinking about finishing my degree. I’m 28. I haven’t been in school for half a decade. My study skills are rusty.
I’ve been trying to focus on the positives because the alternative isn’t helpful. I will get back on my feet, but I don’t know how I’m going to pay for my home and car in the short term. If I do go back to school, I might have to work full-time, too. I know people have done more with less, but that doesn’t make this any easier. I also have a lot of questions:
- How do I contact ex-bosses (or ex-coworkers) for letters of recommendation?
- How do I politely ask lenders if they might be willing to suspend loan payments without affecting my credit score?
- How can I move from an already thrifty existence to something more meager?
- I want to roll my 401k into an IRA. Which company should I use? Vanguard?
This is all new to me. I know people have been laid off before — even my father was laid off three times when I was a boy — but this is the first time it’s ever happened to me. What next?
I’m a fan of education, and I applaud Allen for considering this route. But I think he needs to be cautious of new debt while doing his best to manage the debt he currently has. If he’s already living a frugal lifestyle, there’s not going to be much room for him to cut further expenses. (Can he give up the car?) That means his top priority has to be generating additional cash.
For now, I believe Allen should do what he can to bring in some sort of income — any income. Pick up a short-term job, even if it seems like a dead-end, but don’t let it become permanent. Better yet, seek help through a temporary agency. (When I was working at the box factory, we often found great future employees through temp agencies.) But I’ve never faced this situation before, so this purely theoretical advice seems inadequate.
Have you been laid off? How did you handle it? Do you have general advice for Allen’s situation, and for others who might have lost their jobs? What about his specific questions? How do you cope with a layoff when you already live frugally, and when you still have debts to pay?
This article is about Ask the Readers, Career Friday, 17th April 2009 (by J.D. Roth)


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April 17th, 2009 at 5:12 am
My biggest suggestion would be this:
Keep your spirits high and concentrate your focus on finding another opportunity as soon as possible.
You sound like an intelligent person, who is willing to seek out knowledge and apply it’s principles. There is no doubt in my mind, judging by your e-mail, that you will recover from this quickly. The key will be staying out of the inevitable funk that most people find themselves in when life kicks them in the face.
Keep the faith!
April 17th, 2009 at 5:13 am
I was laid off in January this year. Lucky for me I knew it was coming as my company had been downsizing staff every quarter for almost 2 years every. I had stashed nearly 2 years worth of living expenses, in addition to having an online business that generates enough to cover some of my expenses per month.
I am going to graduate school in the Fall to pursue a higher degree. There’s a lot of scholarships for students which could cover housing, tuition, books and there might even be money left. You could work up to 40 hrs/week at some job just to get some income. It would be best if you could work at your school in the library/computer lab or another job which would allow you to study a little at work..
April 17th, 2009 at 5:14 am
I disagree. I say, go back to school. Go now, full-time, while you don’t have any dependents. Live on campus if you can–it’s often cheaper. If you apply for financial aid, you’ll most likely be offered work-study, so you’ll have some income coming in even if you can’t find employment elsewhere. You may have debt when you finish school, but you’ll also have a heck of a better chance finding employment that pays well for the rest of your life.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:16 am
I would look for some immediate work to help cover your bills in the short term. In the long term, I would consider finishing the degree, he didn’t say how long that would take.
I am an engineer and I know it is hard for people without a degree to get a job doing engineering work no matter how talented they are. Finishing the degree will certainly help job prospects in the long term.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:18 am
I agree that he should avoid new debt. When I was laid off in the early 90’s, I paid off what I could with my severance and went back to school. As a single mom with two teens at home, it seemed like the best idea at the time. But it saddled me with staggering debt that hounds me to this day. I should have made better choices but the realities of being laid off can be devastating and can warp any natural intelligence. Do not succumb to fear. Keep a cool head. Look hard at the short and long term financial effects of your intended actions. Keep your finger on the budgetary pulse. Best of luck to you.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:22 am
Since Allen already has experience at Best Buy perhaps that would be a place to start when looking for some immediate income. Also he could possibly continue nights/weekends if he does go back to school.
As far as lenders go, call & ask what they can do. When I was laid off the holder of my car loan suspended 2 months payments (adding them to the end of the loan) to give me some wiggle room. It was not reported, and did not affect my credit.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:26 am
Apply for your state’s unemployment benefits right away and make sure you know the rules. When I was laid off last fall it didn’t make sense for me to take a low paying job as a temp, because it would have wiped out my unemployment benefits. Spend your time looking for a new job, and maybe auditing classes for free at a community college. You won’t get credit but you can polish your study skills and mabe learn something new to offer your next employer. Then they might even have tuition reimbursement so you won’t have to go into debt to get the rest of your degree. I’ve been laid off 3 times in the past 7 years. It takes time but you’ll get through it. Good luck.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Allen, I would take JDs advice and attempt to find something with some income, even if significantly less than what you did make. I would caution against starting school again until you at least have a job in place. When some stability has returned to your life, then look to build your career.
I dropped out of college, and then returned at 26 to finish my degree after the birth of my kids. I worked full time, and attended a local university for three hours, four nights a week. It was both the most difficult, and the most rewarding, thing I’ve ever done. I wish you the best, and hope this opportunity leads to bigger and brighter things in your future!
April 17th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Spend less time worrying and more time doing.
From your letter, it doesn’t sound like you’re the type to self-pity, which is great. Make something happen and you’ll get results.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:36 am
I was laid of Oct 31, 2008 and am still without a J.O.B. to this day. The unemployment checks do help but only barely.
So, my fiance stepped up and took on a paper route with our local news paper that now brings in an additional $700-800 per month. I’ve stepped up my efforts to offer more consulting services at lower prices than competitors as side income (this is allowed within certain limits) while I look for a job.
We cut back on all expenses that are not necessary. We STILL save 10%, invest 10%, and tithe 10% of all money coming in even though there is much less of it.
As for your 401k? I’ve been laid off 3 times in the last 5 years and have had to roll over my 401k each time.
What I did was open up a Traditional IRA with Scottrade (http://www.Scottrade.com - please note: If you decide to do the same, which I HIGHLY recommend as they are a great company with excellent rates, please send me your first/last name and email address. I’ll send you a referral and we both get 3 free trades!). With that done you then ask for the transfer form from your current 401k administrator. Tell them you want to roll 100% of the amount DIRECTLY to Scottrade so as to avoid taxes.
Now, this next part depends on your balance. If you don’t have all that much in your 401k ($5k or less) then what you’ll want to do is open a ROTH IRA account with Scottrade. Once you have that done roll the entire amount from your newly minted Traditional IRA into your Roth IRA. You can elect to have Scottrade withold some of the money to pay the earned income tax (I go off of what my last years effective tax rate was and what I think the upcoming one will be and give them that %). You can elect to NOT have them withhold some of the money and at the end of the year you’ll just have to pay the tax when you receive the 1098.
If you would like to hear more let me know but this will get you on a good path for dealing with your 401k and easing the stress of being laid off. Good luck!
April 17th, 2009 at 5:39 am
I am living your predicament now.
* How do I politely ask lenders if they might be willing to suspend loan payments without affecting my credit score? Definitely. I did this and had much success.
* How can I move from an already thrifty existence to something more meager? Yes. I thought I had it pretty tight until I had no other choice but to go tighter.
Go back to college! It will be worth it when you are through. My husband had a longer break away from it than you & he’s doing wonderful!
April 17th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Don’t let the fear overwhelm you. In the end, it’s only money. Your life is about so much more than your job and your income. If you never worked again and absolutely had to live off of friends and family, you could still live a full and rewarding life. Men have an especially hard time with unemployment and are a high suicide risk. It’s just money.
Everyone you know should be aware that you’re looking for work. Even people that aren’t in your field probably know people that are. That’s your best chance of getting a job. Sadly, many people don’t want people to know that they’re out of work.
Be realistic about the time it will take to find a job. I read somewhere recently that a rule of thumb is that it will take 1 month per $10k of salary to find a replacement position. So it could take 6 months to replace a $60k job. It won’t happen next week, no matter how many resumes you blast out. The hiring process takes time.
What are you going to do with that time? I’ve told plenty of laid-off friends to go take a cheap vacation. Visit your distant family. Go sit at the beach. Volunteer somewhere. Get involved at church. Hang out in bookstores and libraries, getting a free / cheap education. Go to networking events. Hang out with self-employed friends. Have lunch with old friends you haven’t seen in a while. Start a blog.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:46 am
Although I’m all in favor of a car-free existence, I would caution against getting rid of the car (unless you’re replacing it with something cheaper) until you find a job. You absolutely need to make sure that when you are offered a job, you have a way to get there.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:48 am
I’ve never been laid off but I was unemployed for a almost a year after finishing school. One of my regrets was not using that time more wisely since I was more or less sitting around waiting for that “perfect job” to somehow appear.
I think this post is brilliant in terms of how to spend at least some of your time while laid off:
http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/06/5-things-to-do-when-youre-unemployed-hint-its-not-job-hunting/
April 17th, 2009 at 6:05 am
I don’t know if this is good advice or not, but it’s truly worth the price you are paying for it! I was thinking there must be some schools who will give you lots of credit for the experience you have. I know the local community college by my office will grant you over half your degree worth of credits if you can show you have the right experience.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:11 am
First, file for unemployment benefits immediately. Make sure you understand how COBRA works for your health insurance. Since the premiums are steep, you might want to wait til closer to the end of the filing period (I think it’s 45 days) before signing up. If you did incur a medical bill before signing up, your coverage would be retroactive and you’d get reimbursed as long as you were still within the sign up period.
Think carefully about taking a quickie job - you want one that pays substantially more than unemployment. Once you are off unemployment, you lose easy access to your state’s job training and resume help services. I believe in most states you can temp or do a freelance project and just reduce your benefits temporarily in weeks you have other income.
For pure triage, make a list of your monthly bills and immediately cut anything like Netflix (you can get dvds from the library) or cable TV. I’d keep internet service for now for job searching and research, but maybe you could downgrade to a slower speed or something (or dump it and use free wifi spots if you have a laptop or a public library). If you gave us a better idea of your budget, people would probably give you concrete suggestions. If you aren’t familiar with cooking at home and planning grocery lists in advance, get familiar.
Calling the lenders is easy. Call the customer service line and say you’ve just lost your job, and you’re interested in forbearance or hardship options. Most places will give you up to 3 months without a payment, which will then be tacked on to the end of your loan term with interest. If you have a mortgage, I’d continue to pay that with your cash on hand as long as possible.
As far as contacting people, sign up for a networking service like LinkedIn and search for old colleagues. Once you are connected, which typically provides you with some means of contact as well, then you can send a quick email saying something along the lines of “Hey, it’s been a while, great to see you. I’d love to get together for lunch and catch up. I’ve recently been laid off, and I’m interested in getting advice on next steps as I grow in this field.” People love being asked for opinions and advice. If you have a specific request, like “can you put me in touch with X at your company for an informational interview?” go ahead and throw it in there, but it’s probably worth some chit chat or a personal meeting if the request is something like “I need a 3 page personal reference written by x date.”
Speaking of informational interviews - now is a great time to request these at companies that interest you. You get to make a personal connection and let that person know that you would be interested in working for that company once you complete your degree. Then you can periodically follow up with that person in reasonable quantities.
I think completing your degree is a great idea if you can figure out how to swing it. Don’t slack off on the networking stuff while you’re in school, and take advantage of every resource on careers that the school offers.
I’ve been laid off twice in high tech since the late 90s, and after the 2nd time, I just said the hell with it and started a consulting business. No idea if this is an option in your field, but it’s something to consider.
If you have a certain amount in your 401(k), you may be eligible to leave it in your current plan. Just whatever you do, if you rollover the money, make sure it’s a direct rollover to avoid tax penalties.
Good luck!
April 17th, 2009 at 6:16 am
I’ve been unemployed twice, for a few months each time - the first time was miserable, the second time was actually kind of awesome.
And actually both times I was not completely unemployed; the first time I had a few short-term temp jobs (one that went very badly, but eh) and the second time, through a lucky chance of timing, I was able to go from being a volunteer at an organization I really love to being a part-time employee.
Having even a little bit of income helped a lot. Plus having a job gets you out of the house, which was probably the biggest hurdle for me. Consider volunteering, even, if it’s going to get you out and about every day - you’ll never have more time to devote to volunteer work than you do when you’re unemployed.
Remember, attending college (especially as an adult) does not have to be a full-time job. If I were you I’d be applying to colleges (do some research to find places near you that have good degree completion programs, where your previous credits will transfer) AND looking for work in the field you want to work in. If you can’t get a job in your field, work at your college, or temp, or work retail, or whatever - income is important.
And get out of the house! I was lucky during my second period of unemployment because my volunteer job gave me access to a whole bunch of museums, and I would try to go to a museum, or have a picnic, or even just go sit in the public library or a coffeeshop and read every day. I went to free concerts. I kept busy, and it made a huge difference. Do not sit home and watch TV and goof on the internet - you will regret it. (I mean, go ahead and wallow a little bit if you need to, just be careful.)
April 17th, 2009 at 6:21 am
One alternative that is a good choice for some people is to look at the military (either active duty or as a reservist). If you have concerns about recurring deployments to war zones, don’t forget about the Coast Guard. This is an opportunity for immediate income, and there are some wonderful programs for getting your education through tuition assistance and the montgomery GI bill. The military has paid for my undergraduate degree, my MBA and professional certifications. The retirement benefits are pretty appealing as well.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:31 am
I was just speaking with a friend and found out that he handles unemployment benefits for the state - I was incredibly surprised by how much assistance you can get from the state! My knowledge is still somewhat vague on the subject, but my understanding is that your previous employer pays into an unemployment fund, and since they laid you off, you should be eligible for benefits for up to half a year and up to half of your salary. I imagine that you are aware of this, but since you didn’t mention I thought I would. Good luck!
(PS: as far as going back to school - it’s no fun paying off student loans for the next 10 years, so see what you can do about scholarships before you commit to loads of loans.)
April 17th, 2009 at 6:35 am
In 2001 I was laid off from my “dream job” as a network engineer at Cisco Systems. I was given a very generous severance package and figured that even though I did not have a degree, I had nine years of progressively move advanced job positions in information tech. I figured it would be simple to get a job in my field even if I had to take a few steps back from my recent position.
What I did not account for was the dot-com bust. In my field, in my city, unemployment went from 2% to 6% in a matter of months. The most telling experience I had was when I visited a temp agency and handed them my resume: Without even looking at it, the gentleman filed it and wished me good luck. I sent out literally hundreds of resumes and letters without a single call back. As months went on, my severance package ran out. My savings ran out. My friends didn’t understand what I was going through, they were convinced that I wasn’t really trying. On two separate occasions I was told the “When my father was laid off…” story from different friends.
This went on for a year and a half. I was forced to move out of state. I moved in with a friend who very generously offered me a room, with rent as I could pay. I was still unable to find full time work even close to the level I had been at. Eventually, I managed to get a part time job at a non-profit, the pay was a fraction of what I had been making, but it was something.
I went back to school, because I had been out of school so long, I had to start part time on a type of “probation” for the first couple of semesters.
During this time, I decided I was ready for a career change. I didn’t want to spend years clawing my back to where I had been. I switched schools, moved out of state and went back to school full time, in an accelerated program: Bachelors of Business in 2 years.
My school schedule made it nearly impossible to keep a job, so I borrowed money from the government and from Sallie Mae to fund my schooling and living expenses. I figured, with a degree and 10 years of professional experience at a variety of companies, I would not have an issue getting back into the workplace.
I graduated at the top of my class and started making plans, only to find I had another problem. My degree put me nearly $80k in debt. (The program was expedited, but tuition was the same). The job placement center at school only had “entry level” positions at $7-$10 an hour, not nearly enough to live off of and make my student loan payments.
I kept looking for work that would make the money I needed, over the course of two months I put my self several thousand dollars in consumer debt (living off credit cards).
I moved in with family and eventually found a temp job, where my degree had no impact on the decision employee me. Eventually (9 months later) the temp job turned into a full time position, once again, the decision to hire me had nothing to do with my experience or my degree.
My debt was (is) staggering. $12k in consumer debt, and, with compounded interest from deferred payments, nearly $100k in student loans. Oh, and student loans are “priority” debt, you can’t clear them through bankruptcy. The interest payments on my student loans are 24% of my *gross* income. I am facing a very real possibility of being an indentured servant to Sallie Mae for the rest of my life (I’m 38).
(Thanks to the tips on this site, my consumer debt is nearing an end, and I hope to snowball it into my student loans.)
Now we get to the end of my parable. Be *very* careful of student loans, and take a very hard look at what you expect your education to provide you with after you get your degree. I think college is a wonderful thing, but what they used to say about student loans being “good” debt holds as much water as a sub prime mortgage.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:40 am
I think going back to school is a good idea, but be careful it doesn’t null your unemployment benefits. Here in Ohio, you can’t get unemployment if you return back to school (unless you were already taking classes).
That said, there is no reason you couldn’t work towards a degree WHILE working. I do it. Take evening, online, weekend, early morning classes — whatever works.
My best advice? See what classes you need to complete your degree, and then check and see when classes are offered. Take all the classes offered day-time only right away (when your schedule permits).
April 17th, 2009 at 6:41 am
I recently went through this situation, and was lucky to get something after only 3 months of being laid off.
Some things I learned:
* get out of the house, every day, even if it’s just to do your job hunting at the library
* get on unemployment if you’re in the US, seriously. Even if you never cash a single check, they have retraining and placement services. For some careers even grants for school. You’ve been paying for them with every paycheck ever, so use them. I failed here and regret it.
* surround yourself with positive people. you’ll need the cheering, and will be extra susceptible to the “woe is me” crowd.
* your emotions are real and valid. let them run the course, acknowledge them, but don’t let them run your life.
* even if you don’t go back to school, keep learning and keep your brain engaged. Use free college course videos from Youtube or whatever. In your field if possible, so you don’t get rusty on your skills.
Sorry it’s so long. Good luck to you, and everyone else in that boat right now. Sounds like you’re in the right mindframe, so I imagine you’ll bounce back ok.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:51 am
My advice would be to first consider switching fields. If you can’t break into a field you already have experience in, then that tells me that the field does not value experience much. They must feel that an entry level person with a college degree can do the job just as well.
Next, leverage friends and family. Ask them for help in your search. People like to help people. Ask them if they have any ideas for a career you could easily transition into. Pick something feasible, that you have the potential to enjoy, but ultimately something that will allow you to support yourself.
Finally, hang in there. There are lots of other people in your situation. You can do this. If you’re willing to hustle more than the next guy, you will find a job. Best of luck.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:53 am
when my husband was laid off in december, we were in a situation like Allen’s- we have some debt, we had a tiny emergency fund (about £1,000) and that was it. Fortunately we still had my income which covered about 75% of our monthly expenses, and we used our savings to cover the other 25%. My husband does have a degree and was thankfully able to find another job three months later, but honestly, we live very frugally and there wasn’t that much fat to trim out of our budget. Had his unemployment lasted longer, we would have been completely screwed, that’s the long and short of it (we didn’t qualify for any sort of unemployment benefit, by the way.)
In our case, the only way to sort out the layoff fallout was by increasing income ASAP. Which means getting any job possible (I would have been thrilled had my husband gotten a job at McDonalds, for instance- career progression hardly matters when you need to eat.) We were pretty lucky that he managed to get a job in his field. He also picked up some minor freelance work, which helped as well.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:53 am
A relative of mine is going back to school, but is doing it through the online arm of a major university out of state, saving us significant money vs. doing it in-state (East Coast). She’s able to keep working and take coursework without saddling herself with a huge amount of debt. That might also be an option.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:10 am
@Jason Unger
I’m confused by your comments. Do you really think the advice of “make something happen and you’ll get results” is helpful? Clearly Allen isn’t wallowing in self pity, he’s asking for specific guidance/advice in how to actively take a next step after finding himself in an unfamiliar situation.
Same goes for “Spend less time worrying and more time doing.” - he was laid off yesterday - he’s already written an intelligent, well thought out letter to seek information from a community of people who likely have the knowledge to point him in the right direction and offer support.
I’m all about action and going for it - I just think that it’s also prudent to take a moment–a breath–to take stock of your situation in order to potentially avoid what could be costly mistakes.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:11 am
Nice post. Hard to keep your head up in these times for sure. I have been in the hard hunt since November. And while I have had a lot of action, I am looking for a fairly senior position. And guess what, there a fewer high-level positions available simply by the nature of the business.
I love GRS blog and have saved more emails from here than I could possibly read or quote.
I have also been writing and blogging about this re-employment stress of things.
Re-Employment Resources and Advice (Update 4-13-09) http://bit.ly/re-employment
Thanks for all you do here on GRS.
@jmacofearth
http://uber.la
April 17th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Following is advice given to me by a very savvy businessman of my acquaintance when I was laid off. I hope it helps. (Sorry if it repeats advice above; I did not read all the comments).
“You need to begin calling all of your decision making friends and business contacts that you had with prior company,(general contractors , vendors, insurance agents, subcontractors) tell them you want to meet with them and provide a resume (perhaps buy them lunch). At your meeting you are going to tell them of your job search and ask for five people they know of who could perhaps use or may know of somebody who could use an individual with your personality, work ethic and skill set. They probably won’t have five names off the top of their head but give them a week and extract a commitment. A week later, follow up; you need the names of five of their friends who are decision makers and could use a person like you.
“Now you are going to call the five names given to you, advise them that Mr. X referred me to you in my job search and I need an appointment with you. Realize that you have now been networked in, you are more than a faceless resume and you now have the opportunity to be in front of them and sell yourself… a big step ahead of sending a faceless resume to a P O box.
“Following this methodology you can see how five good initial contacts could potentially get you in front of 25 people who are friends of friends and would be willing to help you out.”
April 17th, 2009 at 7:15 am
I’m 28. I’d go back to school, live in the dorms if possible, sell my car, try to get the financial aid office to talk to me about on-campus jobs that would help towards my tuition (experience gives you a big edge on campus where no one else has any).
What kind of creditors is he contacting? Credit cards? He might need a debt counseling company to help him smooth that sort of stuff out. Be careful and do you research on that, but they can help you.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:19 am
1. File for COBRA. Make sure you qualify to pay just 35% of the premium through the stimulus package.
2. Apply for unemployment benefits IMMEDIATELY.
3. Check out any other social services you might now qualify for, including food stamps, WIC, tuition assistance — even assistance at the YMCA or any other institutions you might be a part of.
4. Don’t be afraid to ask for help. From family, friends, the government–wherever you can get it. There’s no shame in being laid off.
5. Call every creditor you have and see what they’re willing to do for you. It can’t hurt to ask.
6. Call your old employer or old colleagues and see what they can do for you, too, in terms of letters/contacts.
7. Sign up for every social networking site you can think of. LinkedIn to Facebook–it all helps.
8.Stay organized with everything. Make notes of who you talked to in the unemployment office, which companies you’ve applied to, when you called that headhunter. Keep a separate file for all your unemployment- and job search-related issues.
9. Put money aside to pay taxes on your unemployment benefits. Don’t forget, or you won’t have the money to pay this at the end of the year!
10. Know that you’re not alone. Many, many people are in your situation. You will survive–and thrive!
April 17th, 2009 at 7:26 am
We’re in a layoff situation right now. Had an idea it was coming, but not a definite…former employer ended up going out of business due to the banking crisis…the bank called their loan. So the entire company shut down with only 5 days notice.
Prior to this we had been regularly adding to our emergency fund through automatic deposits. We’ve cut back on the extras and, between that emergency fund and unemployment, we have enough to cover the basics for 10 months. To supplement our income while looking for a job, we’re selling some things on Ebay.
Having gone through a downsizing 14 years ago, and completely losing our minds over it, we promptly decided this time to stay positive and keep busy. We set specific goals of submitting at least one resume per day while also scavanging for items to sell on a daily basis. So far this strategy has resulted in interviews with four companies in the first month…one offer but it was commission only…not feasible for us right now. After multiple interviews with the last company, my husband is hoping for an offer within a couple of weeks.
The Ebay thing we started on a whim, and it looks like it may result in a profitable long-term at-home business for me (stay at home mom).
The company closing (formerly an hour + commute) forced him to start searching for a new job and may provide the opportunity for him to cut his commute in half if the offer he’s waiting for comes through.
We already had plans to sell our house and downsize the mortgage, but that’s on hold for now (unless we get lucky and find a house we can buy for cash after selling this one). Can’t qualify for a mortgage without a regular income!
Definitely stay positive. Exercise to keep your energy level up. Use this “decision making time” to get in shape (or stay in shape). Exercising gets your endorphins up and makes it easier to stay positive. Panicking over loss of income doesn’t help…been there, done that, will never do that again. It was NOT worth the stress. Instead, we’re focusing on a “dream job” or “dream income level” and putting our energy toward that.
Good luck!
April 17th, 2009 at 7:41 am
I disagree with JD–school loans are worth it. They improve your earnings potential, and pay for themselves. He should go back now before he gets any older–it doesn’t sound like he has a wife or kids to worry about. He should suck it up for a couple of years, get the degree, and hopefully the economy will be back on its feet by the time he emerges with a brand-spankin’-new degree.
As for frugal living options: ramen, ramen, ramen.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:48 am
At 28, Its not too late to join the Service. You probably wouldn’t be sent to the front lines, and Uncle Sam will pay for your education afterwards.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:49 am
I’d encourage you to get your degree any way you can — hopefully you have a few years under your belt already. Many HR departments will automatically filter out people without a four-year degree. It’s not fair, but it’s reality.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:51 am
@alison
You’re absolutely right, and echoing my point. Instead of sitting around waiting for something to happen, he’s taking control of his situation.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:01 am
If you’re in Quality Assurance (in software I presume?) then I think you ought to be able to find a new job. At least around Boston there is ALWAYS a need for more QA engineers. I’ve worked at 4 companies in 10 years in Boston and every single one was always looking for more QA. I don’t know your situation, but you might consider going to the Boston area (if that’s something you could consider). Plus, with a huge number of universities around here, you could work on a degree part time (if you’re lucky, your company will help out with that, but only the really big companies do that these days). I think an education is well worth the investment. There are a ton of studies that show that education is your best ticket to a better life.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:02 am
my husband was laid off in 2007, never did find another job in his field (even with the highest credentials available) within reasonable commuting distance. his problem is that he was TOO valuable, and nobody wanted to pay him the salary he was worth!!! he decided to go back to school, in a field that values his motivation and abilities, at the age of 29. he had not been a student in over 10 years.
it’s about 1.5 years later now, he’s almost finished with his associate’s degree. fortunately for him i’ve been mostly able to support us while he goes back. but we have relied upon the kindness of family (who were VERY happy he went back) and made some big sacrifices to make it work. we also owe a little in subsidized loans to the government, but since he went to a community college costs were low. the unemployment agency here has programs for displaced workers from certain fields- check into what else they can do for you. they are more than unemployment checks. also, because we were living on one very small income, we got some assistance from need-based grants. finally, he did test out of several classes by taking the course final exam. this saved us in tuition money.
i thought we were pretty frugal too, but when you’ve got a lot less money to work with you find more things you can go without.
unemployment kept us afloat just long enough to pay off the car when our tax refund came along. otherwise we would have sold it in favor of something older and still reliable. unfortunately, i can’t give any advice on paying for a home since we haven’t reached that stage yet ourselves.
most of all, good luck! discomfort brings us to take chances that we may not have otherwise taken when we were comfortable.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:05 am
In addition to McKenna’s comments (excellent, BTW).
11. Join an unemployment support group.
12. Post your resumes on sites specific to your skill set, make sure someone reviews your resume.
13. Get some rest. You probably need it after all of the stress you have endured - from the thought of a lay-off
14. Become good friends with LinkedIN. I was laid off in February (I am in the IT field), but through linkedIN, was able to secure consulting work with a very large company. (hooray).
15. Once you get back to work….PLAN for your next layoff/RIF (I hope that doesn’t sound negative). Be realistic, don’t spend too much, save up a 6-12 month emergency fund, and eliminate your debt.
16. Look up the Workforce Investment Act in your state. The government will pay for job training in your area. I live in Texas, and they have training in HVAC, desktop publishing, truck driving, information technology, etc. - and you can go to school for FREE. This will halp you shore up skills, and build/rebuild your confidence when you go back into the job market.
Also, since you are in QA - start writing and publishing whitepapers on QA topics, it will make you look like the expert. Make sure you have a copy editor look at your work. Post it in various QA sites, and networking groups. Don’t worry about not having the degree ..keep working on completing an online one, and move forward. I think the most important thing you can do is to add continuing education training to your resume (short courses that are relevant to QA type work). I don’t have a degree as well (but am working on it), and have managed to stay marketable.
Good Luck!
April 17th, 2009 at 8:13 am
We’re in a similar boat, but with even fewer options. We never even got a chance to save money. He was still in training when he was laid off. We’re also over fifty, and anyone who says there isn’t age discrimination needs to walk a few months in our shoes.
Things have gone from bad to worse here since my DH was laid off from his trucking job. Hee’s been looking for work like a fiend with no success in sight.
No one will give a trucker with less than a year of experience a chance, especially not in this economy. The local want ads are full of truckers –both experienced and men like my DH– begging for any trucking job they can get.
My DH has applied for any job he can do, even forklift driver and warehouse worker. He’s called and applied at every temp agency that will talk to him. They all say the same– “Don’t call us. We’ll call you if we have anything.” I guess he’ll be applying at McDonald’s next.
We did everything we could to save money. While he was still in training, we turned off cable tv, reduced our Netflix to bare minimum (it’s on the chopping block now), turned off the phones and went to using our unlimited cells only, and reduced every expenditure we could, even food. We already had our garden, and it’s supplementing our groceries now. We’ve even held a garage sale and sold other things on Craigslist.
We’re out of options we can think of after I call the mortgage company to beg for a forbearance or something.
Even with my job and our roommate contributing, there’s just not enough. See? We do listen to GRS and JD. Sometimes, it’s just not enough.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:23 am
My advise, is to start reading this:
http://www.asktheheadhunter.com
April 17th, 2009 at 8:27 am
I agree mostly with Helen’s advice. Cut the cable TV, cut the netflix, cut the rentals, cut all of that which you don’t need. If you have a new car, get rid of it and get a reliable, less flashy car and cut your payments.
Also, from Kevin McCormick’s post be *extremely* weary of huge amounts of student debt! If you are going to do that, good lord don’t pick a major like art. Also realize that they have expedited business major programs since the coursework is pretty easy. The correlation to frat guys to business majors isn’t a coincidence. Go research which fields pay what and what kind of unemployment rates they have. Also check into what job listings are being offered NOW. I still see alot of engineering jobs even with the economy the way it is. Point is, don’t go 50k-100k into debt without researching and *knowing* you have an excellent chance at a high paying job right out of college.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:39 am
As a SW QA Engineer (thankfully employed), I’d have to advise carefully retooling your resume, while continuing to apply for new jobs. In the Seattle area, it is as much about experience as it is about education. As well, I would suggest taking free online classes to beef up the resume. By stressing your areas of expertise, and your 3+ years of experience (along with letters of recommendation), I would tend to think you will be able to find a new QA Engineering position, as they are always in demand. I do have a degree (BA in Communications), but it is a far cry from the BS in Computer Science that I would have thought I needed to get this far into my career (10 years in testing, 6 years at my current company). For a wealth of free online educational material, head to academicearth.org. I’d have to say the Stanford Computer Science I: Programming Methodology (Java) is top notch!
April 17th, 2009 at 8:44 am
My husband and myself are both out of a job right now. Our solution is a bit “extreme” and not for everyone: we’re moving from France to Canada, where there is a job waiting for him (he’s Canadian).
However, some advice I could give:
Accept any job, no matter how low-paying it is, but first make sure the expense linked to the job (getting there, possibly buying some clothes for it, etc) don’t outweigh the benefits of a paycheck, and don’t forget to keep looking for a better one. Don’t stop looking because you got the safety of a job.
Work odd jobs, offer services for what you know you can do. Coaching someone, giving lessons, giving advice, making something, repairing something… We managed to get some money by cooking meals for our busy neighbours, maybe you can find something like that. Don’t rule out even things like baby-sitting that you might not consider at first.
Consider selling stuff. It doesn’t need to be your car or your TV, you might find that you have lots of things you can part with. A DVD you’ve only wtched once and don’t plan on watching again? A deck of cards? A board game you don’t have anyone to play with? You might already have made sure to keep the minimum amount of stuff, but sometimes you just don’t consider things.
Is it too used to be sold? Consider exchanging it. You could exchange it for food or for something that will help you for your job research.
Stuff that you want to keep, consider lending for a fee, or in exchange for borrowing something you need as well.
Remember that even if you don’t think you have any competences, you have at least one thing now that other people might not have: time. A lot of people will be willing to pay to save them a bit of time. You can be paid to clean someone’s house, to prepare someone’s meal, to take their car to the garage, and many more things. Make sure to let anyone know that if they need someone to do something for them, you have time on your hands and a lot of good will.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:54 am
It was announced yesterday that I would be getting laid off next Friday. I have been preparing for the news for a while now by eliminating as much debt as possible so that I have reduced expenses while I am laid off.
A former employee of my company summed up his feelings about life after being laid off pretty well which I posted on my website, Hundred Goals, in an article titled Life After a Layoff. His words are encouraging, especially knowing he is coming from the same company as I am from.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:01 am
If you are talking about student loans, there are a number of circumstances that allow you to defer, including low income: https://www.dl.ed.gov/borrower/DefermentFormList.do?cmd=initializeContext
I moved in with my friend’s mom who is out of town most of the time. She considers me a house sitter, so she doesn’t expect rent. have been cooking almost every meal, shopping at the farmers market, got food stamps, and I just keep looking for work. For entertainment I hang out with sober friends and have plenty of fun without spending money on alcohol, and have made friends with utorrent. In the meantime, trying to build new skills. I am wrapping up an old degree I should have finished years ago, and teaching myself webdesign/programming. I will be attending community college for cheap next month. I offered to make a site for a local coffee shop for free as a learning exercise, and now they give me free food and drinks.
The most important thing is to talk to your friends. I was thinking about it, and almost every single job I have ever had, knowing somebody helped me get the job–you need to have skills too, but connections can pull you over the top. I am in a new city now, so it’s going to be harder, but I have been meeting new people and am hopeful. I also check craigslist a few times a day.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:01 am
I’m a QA Engineer, and been laid off.
General tips:
1. Treat every day like your job right now is to find another job. Get up early, spend your time job hunting and networking. Find the local ASQ or other professional networks in your area and start attending meetings. Apply to every job you can.
(HINT: Personal contacts you renew or make will probably work better than blindly submitting your resume. I got the job that got me out of a layoff because I mentioned to somebody I used to work with that I’d been laid off. The next day she called me and told me to contact somebody at X company who was looking to hire. Turns out, the only reason I got past the horrid HR intake was because I called the manager directly, and the manager told HR he wanted my resume to make it into the stack they gave him to review.)
2. Immediately — audit your current expenses. Drop everything that isn’t essential — drop eating out, everything — now is the time to switch to super-frugal mode. You’ll also find that places like cable and phone may be willing to offer you a short-term substantial drop in payment. Contact them, tell them you’ve been laid off and want to move to their cheapest service or you may need to cancel service altogether.
3. If you’re a renter, consider taking a roommate, or consider moving in with relatives where you can live rent-free for a short time. Or move someplace cheaper if possible. If you own a house, now is the time to look at renting out a room to somebody if possible. Aim to slash your housing expense. (HINT: If I’m laid off again, in the first month I’m mobilizing to sell my unessential furniture and move home with my parents. I didn’t the last time, and it was a mistake.)
4. What others said re getting on unemployment right away.
5. I cashed out my 401(k) because I needed the money to live on (not enough savings, no severance). DON’T DO THAT — contact Vanguard and tell them you want to do a Rollover, they should have somebody who can walk you through it. Do it soonest.
FINALLY, RE SCHOOL —
Do you love QA? Do you want to go further in software/IT? Be honest!!! If you say yes, then put together a plan for the sort of training you need. I’d stay away from loans to go back to school for now, and start with an industry certification. Self-study for an ASQ cert and pay a few hundred bucks to take the test. Or look at a Microsoft cert.
If you don’t love the IT world, DO NOT DO NOT go back to school thinking it will help you be more employable and right now you need to be more employable, even though you don’t love it (it probably would). You don’t want the debt burden if you don’t love it. You won’t love it more after the degree, and the future outlook for the field is changing. (This is cold experience talking.) If you want to be employable in IT for the long term, look at analysis or project management. Developers/testers are turning into a commodity.
If you would study something different, make sure it will actually lead to a job worth the money you’d pay.
But I wouldn’t advise school for now. (unless you can get somebody else to pay for it) Focus right now should be to get another job.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Go back to school. NOW. Run, don’t walk.
It’s not much, but all campuses need student workers, and Allen could very easily help supervise a campus computer lab or work as an undergrad assistant in the Computer Science department–fine, those student jobs don’t pay much, but they’re jobs, AND they can be worked around a student schedule. Plus, often, they come with a tuition reduction. That’s how I got myself through school–without having to ever take out any loans.
Rolling the IRA over: Yes, I’d recommend Vanguard funds because of their no-loads. Right now, everything’s pretty much in the dumps, so it’s a good time to buy.
As to the creditors: Gah. Hope there isn’t huge credit card debt involved. If there is, ask them to reduce the interest rate; if they won’t, use one of the 0% interest offers in your mail and transfer the balance. That way, you’ll be paying off more principal and less interest.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:15 am
First thing I would suggest would be not to make any sudden moves. If you just got laid off yesterday, I think the best advice is to wait a couple of days at least before making any swift moves, especially when it comes to retirement savings and such. It’s important to make the right decisions with a lot of the things that are being discussed, and I think that the emotion of the layoff can often cloud or affect those decisions.
About four years ago I was let go unexpectedly, and within an hour of getting back home, I had sent out all these e-mails asking for help and recommendations. I didn’t get a lot of great responses, and these were from people I knew. Had I waited, I probably would have approached it more personally and with less panic.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:15 am
I’ve been there twice and learned a lot. Having a safety net is the first big step which will help get you started.
1. Minimize expenses. Sell your car and get a bike, or a cheap old car at the minimum. You just need to be able to shop and go to interviews. Look into a car share, or rent a car when you really need one. Do this first and fast as every month with no job and high expenses will eat away at your savings. I was stuck in an apartment that cost $1200 with a lease I couldn’t break, and I ran out of cash in 3 months.
2. Find any source of temporary income. I bar-tended, which got me out of the house regularly, brought in a little money but most importantly made me feel productive. That’s huge. Plus a crappy job will motivate you to find the next good job.
Look into renting a room to a friend, or moving into a smaller apartment or house, or moving in with friends. Now is a great time to really reset to a lower cost of living.
Sell stuff you don’t need to raise cash and lighten your load in case you need to move.
3. Be targeted. Don’t apply to every job you can. This is counter intuitive, but spend your time and energy finding the jobs you’re most qualified for, and ONLY apply to those jobs. Otherwise you’ll waste time applying for a job you have no chance of getting, and the constant rejection will kill your morale.
4. If you can’t find the exact same type of job, look for something similar. Think of this as the second ring of the target. When I couldn’t find a marketing job I found a sales job and learned some great skills in the process, then the next job was a marketing job.
5. Consider taking a lower paying job to boost your skill portfolio. See #4.
6. Put off school for now. Applying and being accepted take a year anyway, so you need to find work first. But realizing that education will help you in the long run is a great realization. I went back for my MBA at 28 and loved it, but I’m still paying it off 9 years later, so jump carefully.
7. Finding a job is your job, but don’t work on it more than 4 hours a day or you’ll hit the point of diminishing returns. See #3.
8. Make sure you’re on sites like LinkedIn and do as much networking as possible. Most jobs come through contacts, if you just send in resumes to a website your odds of landing an interview let alone a job are nearly zil. COntact as many people as you can, don’t ask them for a job but ask them to help you find openings. That’s a much easier task for someone to agree to.
9. Use this time to exercise, get in shape, clean the house, spend time with family, and try to relax after you’ve put in your 4 hours a day. Good luck, you’ll find something!
April 17th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Going back to school would be a good idea, if he wasn’t already so bogged down in existing debt.
Unfortunately, QA is an unstable career path. You have to have a higher emergency fund than most people, and lower debts. It is almost always the first to be cut from the budget. I agree with #45. I’m a SDET, which is basically a programmer in QA. If you don’t love IT, then don’t rack up more debt in it. If you do love IT, going for a full degree course will be very expensive and time consuming. If you do it when you are bogged down with debt and no financial means to support it, you’re putting yourself in a high risk category for catastrophe. I recommend certification courses, which are cheaper and can be completed more quickly. You will really have to stand out against your degree peers, but it can be done.
It’s hard to get a job, even low level service jobs when you’ve been a white collar office worker. I don’t mean that as a pride issue. I mean that as a hiring issue. When I left my job during the tech bust, I didn’t think it would take me that long to find a new job. I thought it would be hard, but not as hard as it was. I found I couldn’t even get a job as a waitress - there were so many unemployed tech workers, they were asking for resumes and letters of reference for waitresses! I had zero restaurant experience. They also knew that I would be gone as soon as I got a better offer, so I never even got a chance.
I suggest starting by selling your stuff. Sell your books, iPods, old computer equipment, DVDs, music CDs - anything - to drum up money fast.
From the info, I’m not positive if he has a mortgage. If so, rent out a room in your house to someone. It will stretch your emergency fund and unemployment a bit further.
My story, incidently, is very similar to Kevin #20. Only I stopped accruing debt at $35,000. I did not go back to school because I couldn’t afford it. I took a less than ideal job paying 30% less than I was making before that I did not enjoy, and suffered through it for 5 years paying off that debt. I now have a better job, that I am facing a real possibility of losing again due to the economy, but at least this time I have no debts. I learned my lesson 8 years ago.
My opinion, going back to school when you are already broke and unemployed is not the ticket out.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Im in the same boat as you, I quit college and actually quit my job and took a 3 month vacation in another country. Honestly it was the best thing I ever did. Coming back I was more relaxed and less stressed out about where my money would go- debt and bills. Take this time to spend with family, friends and keep your hopes high something will turn up eventually!
April 17th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I don’t think I have anything else to add here. There’s a ton of great advice. I would recommend talking to EVERYBODY! Talk to friend. Talk to neighbors. Talk to family. People get you jobs sometimes more often than credentials do.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Allen, don’t worry about your study skills being rusty. I went back to school as a “mature student” and I found it easier the second time around. While there are resources for brushing up on study skills, chances are you’ll find you have more focus, more initiative and better time management and stress management skills than many of your younger classmates. (At least that’s what I found). Job experience really works in your favor.
Best wishes, whatever you decide
April 17th, 2009 at 10:11 am
I have a bit of advice for the school front: Depending on where you stopped in school, community college courses can be a good, cheap start towards a four-year degree. I’m working a temp job fulltime after receiving my Masters, and taking two online courses at my local community college. I made very little last year, so my tuition was waived by a California state fee waiver, and I’m only paying for books. I read my textbook on the bus and at slow times at work and take tests on my lunch break. An AA or AS in itself doesn’t seem to be worth much to most employers (beyond the government), but it’s a good way to pick up extra skills or save on your undergraduate education before transferring.
However, I also would urge caution on taking out education loans. I’m in school half-time right now primarily because I can’t afford to start paying back the loans on my graduate degree. I won’t say “Yes, back to school!” or “No, don’t take those loans!”, but I would definitely advise researching unemployment, your local educational options, and job prospects.
Laying out my options in a couple of different forms really helped me. My boyfriend laid out an income and expenses Excel chart for me with the calculations set so I could plug in the costs of taking more classes, working parttime and school fulltime, and other options. I could see very quickly what the monetary impact of my choices would probably be. I also made pro/con lists of each option, and laid out choices by category on several sheets of paper. Laid out side by side, they made me feel like I had options, and I was able to see what areas I needed to do more research in to help me make my decisions.
Good luck, Allen!
April 17th, 2009 at 10:20 am
The first thing I did when I was laid off was act like I still had a job. That job was finding a job. I didn’t sleep in and I didn’t wear my sweats during the day. I dressed in dress casual and I left my apartment. I worked at the library on my resume and looking for any company that might hire me. I dropped off resumes in person when I could and I always asked the front desk person if anyone was hiring. I would describe what job I was looking for and politely ask if there was a manager who might be interested in talking with me. This is how I found my job, I talked to a receptionist who buzzed a VP, who took 10 minutes to come out to talk with me, who then eventually had me come in for an interview and shortly thereafter I was hired. I believe strongly in personal contact. You would be amazed how many people will interview you if you ask for an interview - even when they aren’t hiring. Also, network network network, the last two people I hired came to me through the old “I know this person who has these skills and is looking for a job…”
Good luck!!!
April 17th, 2009 at 10:33 am
I was laid off twice during the last recession. I decided I should go back part-time to get my MBA to make myself more marketable. I did get a lot out of the education and my salary is a lot higher now, but I also have $47k in student loan debt and I don’t feel any safer from layoffs in my current job. If I had it to do over I would have taken longer to finish so I could pay for more of it (or all of it) with cash.
You probably should go back to school at some point, but I highly recommend doing it with little or no student loans. Student loans aren’t really any better than other type of debt just because they are lower interest and have lower payments because they take so long to pay off. Wait till you get some sort of job and go part-time if necessary. State schools are the most affordable option Also, really think about what you want to go back for - are you sure you want to stay in your current field?
Other people have given great advice about networking. I don’t think you need to get actual letters of recommendation - just make sure to get everybody’s contact information and connect with them on a site like LinkedIn or Facebook - then you’ll always be able to find them when you need a reference. Once you get to the reference stage in an interview process, call to ask if it’s okay to use them as a reference and if so let them know they’ll be receiving a call soon.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:35 am
@Kevin Mccormic
Wow man, that student debt sounds terrible. When you mentioned that you would be an indentured servant to your student loands, it gave me chills. Bondage comes in many forms I guess (not the leather variety).
April 17th, 2009 at 10:36 am
There’s a lot of great advice here, so I won’t duplicate it. Just remember, you have been in the work force for several years, so you have developed significant skills, and not just the skills related to your quality assurance job: communication skills, leadership skills, organizational skills, that type of stuff. Write a list of all your skills and talents, even if you’re only so so in some of them. Then organize them by what you do best first. Once you have that list, you can look at it and start to think about what jobs outside of your field you might be good for. That will open up the number of jobs you can apply for.
Applying with as many staffing and temp agencies as possible is a good idea too. Be aware of your unemployment benefits and rules. You paid out of your paycheck every month for that insurance, so don’t feel bad taking it.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:37 am
You have experience in the field you want to be in but not the degree. This actually puts you in a *better* position than many graduates if you go back to school.
Firstly, unless you go to Harvard or Yale, no one is going to care where you went to school. If you need the entire degree, consider at least starting somewhere cheap (like a community college) & transferring if you feel you need to finish at a better school. (If you’re going this route, keep your grades up to increase your odds of a scholarship into the next school.)
Secondly, apply for unemployment while you’re still looking for a job. You can always switch from being a full-time student to a part-time student if you need to. Look for jobs that will pay you more than unemployment. Work at going to school with as little debt as possible when you get out.
Lastly, take advantage of any internship opportunities you can get into while at school. You’ll want the strongest possible resume when you finish.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:55 am
1) Find jobs that pays under the table, like painting houses. Create your own job and find people who need the service you can provide.
2) Find something retail. Barista- something that will allow you to network while you are working.
3) If you have kids do not go back to college until you have your cash flow back on track.
4) If you are single, go back to school, as this will help you network, and financial aid may be available.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:01 am
About QA …
I have been in Software QA for about 20 years, including as a hiring manager. I would agree that there is always a need. You just have to find them.
Many companies now outsource much software QA overseas, and I think that trend will continue and accelerate. So while I am still employed, there have been layoffs at my company… layoffs at the same time as increased outsourcing. (Don’t get me started about what this means to the future of our nation.)
In any event, including all the comments in previous posts from everyone else, I would do the following (and I will do it should I get laid off)…
- using library and internet, find every company within 100 miles (you pick the distance). Telephone each one to determine who is an appropriate manager. (Some state’s unemployment offices allow free use of telephone and internet for job search use.)
- make a one page folded flyer, produced professionally, advertising my services, as if I was consulting company; list all skills, every product I am familiar with; don’t make it look like the kitchen sink, but you need to show flexibility. This would should you are available as a consultant; any hiring manager would also consider you a potential employee if they are interested at all.
I would hand it personally to every person I could get my near, including the managers indicated in the previous step (if you could get near them).
- join local civic groups (Toastmasters, etc) for a chance to not be alone, network, etc.
- read every trade publication (use that public library!) and for all articles that peak your interest, start writing emails to their authors: ask questions, raise issues, etc. Not that this will directly get you a job, but will keep you thinking in you industry.
- start a professionally-oriented blog. Write something [almost] everyday. Plenty of ways to do this for free.
- if you were in software, and have a PC at home, join an OpenSource project and volunteer your services. Great way to increase/update skills, network, learn new things. And it looks great on a resume.
Best of luck.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Here are some of the back-to-school strategies my son is considering. He hasn’t been laid off (so far!) but recognizes that if he’s ever to get into a job he doesn’t loathe, he needs an advanced degree. He is 32 and also is nervous about rusted study skills.
1. Get the Kaplan guides to the GRE (and any other qualifying standardized exams, like the GMAT or the LSAT). Study these on your own.
2. Consider renting your house, since it’s probably not salable for what you’re paying for it. If, however, it is worth what you owe on it, put it on the market and plan to move to cheaper digs. OR:
2a. Work with your lender to see if they will adjust your terms while you’re in school, to make the payments affordable.
3. If you can commute to school and to nearby shopping with public transport and a bicycle, get rid of the car. When you need a car for longer trips, rent one.
4. Try to get a 50% FTE job on the campus, or a graduate assistantship. These usually waive some or all of the tuition.
5. Rent out a room in your house, and charge the roommate a portion of the utility bills. Collect the money in cash (you understand the gist here).
6. Apply for scholarships, fellowships, and all other varieties of student aid the school offers.
As Jason points out, the military offers an opportunity to earn a little income (often very little) while pursuing higher education. But it should be noted that during the Vietnam War, the Coast Guard was deployed to the war zone. That is how one of my dearest friends went from career military to antiwar activist…. We will be engaged in Afghanistan for the foreseeable future, and you can be sure it will soak up as much military power as this country can generate.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Hi there, wow!
Job Loss is such a huge concern right now, and I’m sorry to hear that you’ve been hit by the bug. You and other blog have inspired my post today about coping with job loss.
Although Candian, the principals still apply.
Good luck!
http://jessiesmoney.blogspot.com/2009/04/coping-with-job-loss.html
April 17th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Congrats Allen!
Maybe this an opportunity in disguise to do what you really love and make a success of it!
I was (sort of) laid off in January and it was the best thing that has ever happened to me; besides being born;)
I took that lay-off as a sign I should get on with my real passion and I’ve never been happier.
Go get’em!
April 17th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Could you sell your car for enough to pay off the loan and buy an inexpensive used car?
In college, some of my friends worked as “Resident Assistants” in the on-campus housing. They got free room and board in exchange for being the Housing Department’s on-site representative — someone to maintain order and enforce the rules. In addition, some of them had paying jobs so they had some cash coming in.
Highly recommend completing your degree! See if you can CLEP out of some the classes. (This is a good way to get college credit for what you already know.)
Try to avoid the student loans. It’s taken me 15 years to put those babies to bed. I was young and dumb when I took them on. Could have made it without them if I had really put my mind to it. They’re a real monkey on your back!
Good luck!
April 17th, 2009 at 11:46 am
I totally relate to this poster, as I will be laid off from my job next week. (19 years at a daily newspaper — there is no going back in that field.)
I am going to use my severance money to help me retool my skills (online computer classes, Web design, etc.) in the hopes I can use my experience in the present world! And community college locally. (I have a B.A. and a master’s; now I need something intensely practical & focused. And I am 50-plus, so I don’t have time to completely remake myself!)
There is a wealth of information in these posts — thank you to J.D. and all who posted links and specific information. I think there is great value in keeping in touch with people, especially in real life but online too, and reassuring ourselves that we are not alone.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
2nd, let me clarify a few things. I own a condo, and between mortgage, taxes, & fees, it’s 650/month: that’s how much a single apartment rents for, here in Madison, WI, so I won’t be able to save money that way. I MIGHT be able to rent out the 2nd bedroom, but my sleeping disorder has driven away all former roommates. In addition, my place is only 850 sqrft, and it’s furnished by yours truly, already. Whoever moved in would have to have only bedroom-stuff.
I neither love, nor hate, QA. It was a job i fell into by accident. In this area, at least, trying to get a well-paying (and by well-paying i mean 30k+) job is impossible w/o a degree.
Madison’s public transportation sucks, so to get groceries even, a car is necisairy. I don’t know anything about cars, nor do i have a place to FIX one if it broke down, which is why i bought my car new in late 2005. I have a year and a half of payments left on that car, at 273/month.
I don’t have cable. I canceled my 9/month netflix account. I have the cheapest non-dialup Internet available. I have the cheapest cellphone plan available (and would have to pay a termination fee if i went to something cheaper, like Vonage). My car insurance is very low, as is my condo insurance (combined, roughly 80/month). I’m on the budget plan for my utilities, and that’s 77/month.
I was already eating at 20/week for food before this, and not going out at all. Now, i’m going to cut that back to 15, if i can. I have also been working on plans to cut it back to 10, if i have to.
As to my degree: Around here, at least, many HR will automatically reject your Resume if you don’t have a degree.. ANY degree. I have ROUGHLY a year to a year and a half left, if i went back full time, i figure. It would be to the Universiry of Wisconsin, Madison (where your last 30 credits have to be on campus)
i have no other debt then my car & mortgage.
I’m sorry i didn’t reply earlier: I was at a doctor’s appointment i squeezed in before my insurance runs out, earlier today.
All of your comments are being mulled over by me, thank you! Oh, and yes, i’m single, so that was another reason i was thinking school: no one else to affect with this decision. As to going for my “dream” job… I don’t HAVE a dream job. I have always just wanted to be a good father & husband, and that’s not a job you apply for.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I am sorry about your layoff. (There but for the grace of God go thou.)
Reconnecting with your immediate managers would be the first thing i’d do. If you had a good relationship with them, I’d tell them how much you enjoyed working with them learning from them, or whatever. Keep it real, but let them know you harbor no hard feelings. I’d then ask for a written reference letter and if you had the kind of job that could be done on a p/t, freelance or consultant basis, offer your services up. Remember, being laid off is strictly business, nothing personal, so they may welcome your offer.
You can’t go wrong with Vanguard.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I am sorry about your layoff. (There but for the grace of God go thou.)
Reconnecting with your immediate managers would be the first thing i’d do. If you had a good relationship with them, I’d tell them how much you enjoyed working with them learning from them, or whatever. Keep it real, but let them know you harbor no hard feelings. I’d then ask for a written reference letter and if you had the kind of job that could be done on a p/t, freelance or consultant basis, offer your services up. Remember, being laid off is strictly business, nothing personal, so they may welcome your offer.
I’ve been laid off (through company relocation, business demise or the usual business downturn) 5 times in not quite 30 years of work.
You can’t go wrong with Vanguard.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
@Lost:
You are suggesting he take jobs that are “under the table” so he can avoid paying taxes and also, presumably, so the unemployment compensation office does not find out and reduce his benefits? I don’t think this is very wise.
@allen,
First of all, I am sorry to hear that you have fallen victim to this economy.
Now, the good news. Triage is easy. You have been paying into unemployment benefits for years; now it’s time for you to get some of that money back. Sign up for unemployment compensation immediately.
Where I disagree with others above is regarding “knowing the rules” and using the rules to *discourage* you from taking employment you come across. I do realize that our UC system is broken and there are a number of situations where you taking a job will result in little or no net increase in overall income, even though you are now working as opposed to doing nothing.
But living off the state is not a way to get back on your feet. This is one case where I think looking at the numbers and going only by them is not the way to go. UC is a way for you to float yourself while you are finding income of your own. Use it for that purpose and nothing else.
Reading your email, you are probably hesitate to be applying for UC. My recommendation is that you swallow the pride and do it anyway. *YOU* are precisely what UC was created for, and YOU have been paying into UC for years. Time for you to cash out some of those benefits while you look for a job again.
Finally, I am surprised that no one suggested starting a business. I’m glad to see this, actually, because I think this the practice of being laid off and using that as a motivator to start a business is a dangerous one, as you are not in the best financial, emotional, and strategic position to do so. The game is triage, and in my mind that means UC -> employment -> then thinking about next steps once you’re back in control of your finances.
Good luck, Allen! Please do come back to this post and update us on your progress. I’ll be looking for it!
April 17th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Allen-We all feel your pain. Some of us have gone through what you are experiencing. I can tell you from personal experience it will get better. In fact I’ve always come out better when I look back.
Go ahead and get your degree. I know the feeling about having a ton of experience without the paper to back it up. That is why I have earned both my BS in business and in engineering technology. I recommend working full time while going to school. I also recommend avoiding traditional (campus based) college programs. If you know what you are doing you can save a ton of money and cut the time requirements. Whatever you do avoid diploma mills. What is a diploma mill? If they tell you that you can get a degree with only life experience…and your check you’ve found one! I don’t want to get too commercial on this response so email me at bsmith.waw@gmail.com for more info on finding the right program.
- How do I contact ex-bosses (or ex-coworkers) for letters of recommendation?
Just pick up the phone and call. If you ended things on a good note they should not have an issue writing you a letter. One thing to consider is writing a template for them including your accomplishments to make helping you even easier.
- How do I politely ask lenders if they might be willing to suspend loan payments without affecting my credit score?
The only thing you can do is call. Be honest and let them know that you do intend to pay as much as possible but that you need them to work with you. Be prepared to talk to their manager. You also may have to call several times (try until it works).
- How can I move from an already thrifty existence to something more meager?
Beans and rice is cheap. Cut all non-essentials. If it doesn’t get you a job, feed you (nutrition matters not flavor), cloth you, or keep a roof over your head cut it.
- I want to roll my 401k into an IRA. Which company should I use? Vanguard?
Have you considered your mattress? Sorry, bad joke.
I hope this helps!
April 17th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
I don’t know what field you’re in, Allen, but my husband was a QA Manager in manufacturing and now printing. He got laid off from his job in MI and headed west. I don’t know about the rest of the economy, but if you’re willing to relocate, we’ve found that the manufacturing industry is much stronger in the West than anywhere else right now. He doesn’t have a college degree, either. Hope this helps–good luck!
April 17th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Spend some time with your resume. Make 3-4 different resumes so that you can have different starting points for different jobs you want to apply for.
When you find a job that’s a good match for you - make sure your resume shows that you are a good match. Your resume needs to include all the keywords, specific experiences and knowledge.
Don’t lie - just make sure that the person looking through 100-500 resumes finds yours a good match.
April 17th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
I too think your best bet is going back to school, but with as little student loans as possible. Since you are in the engineering field, your dept should have research assistantships or teaching assistantships that help with tuition. You should contact your dept now, in the summer, even if you plan to start in fall. Lots of research opportunities exist in the summer. All the best, keep your chin up!
April 17th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
I have never been laid off but I know quite a few who have been. Don’t get discouraged…have faith! Everyone I know of has always gotten another job and some actually found two part time jobs that seemed to work really well. Maybe you can defer some of your debt or consider refinancing if you have no other choice.
My daughter, who is also 28 and is a single mom, is finally going to college to get a degree in education and she’s loving it! She has had many different jobs but none offered her a good retirement and benefits. She has grants and student loans which the state will pay off if she teaches there for 2 or 3 years after she graduates. She works in a bar 3 nights a week to help supplement and is finally going after child support. She is learning ways to trim her budget by eating at home, cutting back on electric and water usage, and not getting a credit card yet or taking out any more small loans since they have high interest rates. I told her to work out a monthly budget to see where she can cut back on her spending.
I am also considering rolling my 403B over into a Roth IRA. I had to quit my job after 10 years due my husband relocating to another state. I am a homemaker for now and I want to have something saved up when my husband retires in about 19 years. I do have a small retirement check every month I can use to contribute to the IRA monthly but you can designate a small amount of your monthly income and increase it as you are able to.
I am also starting an emergency fund, am learning how to stock up at the grocery store, using homemade cleaners and buying cheaper brands. I’m learning how to be frugal with everything I do and have even started a vegetable garden.
I am paying off my debts a little each month starting with the smallest to the largest and as I pay each off I will apply that monthly amount to the next one. When I pay my truck off I am going to drive it as long as I can so I won’t have another big note(the emergency fund may be needed for truck repair some day.)If I must buy I will probably consider a certified used one next time.
I just started all these changes in the last two months and I have already seen a reduction in utilities and grocery spending. I feel really good about these small changes because they are going to make a big difference in the future and I am looking forward to a more comfortable retirement.
Good luck and God bless!
April 17th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Get work - any work - that you can so that your life is calm and stable and you don’t make decisions out of fear. It doesn’t need to be a dream job or in “your field.” It just needs to get you through for how.
Second, divorce yourself of the mentality that every job in your field requires a college degree regardless of experience. That’s absurd. Thinking it will only make you fulfill the notion. You were obviously employed in your last job without a degree. Go apply for jobs as if you’re going to get them.
If you want to go back to school, do it part-time while working full-time and certainly do not acquire any new debt given that you can barely manage your finances right now. I suggest waiting to go back to school until you are employed so that you can be certain you aren’t just using school as an easy, mindless way to avoid dealing with a tough job market. At your age, don’t just get a degree for the sake of getting one. Make sure you can afford it, really need it, and that the timing is right.
April 17th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
I was laid off in November. Almost zero job prospects (low experience civil engineer) here in Seattle, and plenty of non-local jobs that won’t bother relocating someone. So I’m kinda screwed, but don’t want to move anyway. Between the unemployment check and my emergency fund, I’m fine financially, just not psychologically…
April 17th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
One of the most interesting phenomena is ignoring one’s debt accounts the minute the pink slip arrives. One thinks, “Hey, I need all of the cash available just to survive until the next gig” but the truth is a solid plan to manage one’s existing cash, as well as debt amounts, is paramount. Along these lines, one of the effective techniques I’ve heard about is going discretionary-free until another job is landed. Sounds tough, but it’s better than becoming a slave to credit card debt.
April 17th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
You’re 28, eh? There’s a little something I like to call the military for when just such a thing happens. Go to your local recruiter’s office and they’ll be happy to sign you up for a job with no danger of getting laid off.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
My heart goes out to you. I was there too but have a slightly different take on things. I graduated with from a top name university with honors into the middle of a previous recession and couldnt get anyone to even talk to me. I had a degree but I didn’t have any marketable SKILLS. In bad times you need a skill that people are willing to pay for.
I used my dead time to go to a dirt-cheap Vo-Tech school and learned a skill (PC circuit board soldering and fabrication). I picked that because I saw several local companies were looking for people with that skill and the school said they were not having trouble placing grads. I also spent 300 bucks of severance and went to a weekend school to learn bartending.
With those two skills I was able to at least get jobs to pay my bills. Fast forward two years and I was Mgr. of the QA dept. at an electronics mfg. company. But they never would have hired me off the street into that job. I got in the door because I had a marketable job skill. Having a marketable skill can be a safety net for the rest of your life. Twenty years later, if I got laid off tomorrow, I’d start looking for a bartending job the next day.
Get a skill, get some money coming in, then get your degree ASAFP! The rest of your life is a long long time! You have some time and flexability now so take advantage. Get the degree now while you can. It will be much harder the longer you wait. And don’t get too fixated on one school, any degree will do.
An ditto about unemployment payments - do that today! Get signed up and learn the rules - every state is different.
Good luck! You are asking all the right questions so I know you will figure this out.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
I think going back to school at this point might be a very good option. You’re single and no kids so its not a bad time to go to school. And in the tech field a degree is pretty important.
If you do consider going back to college then try and pick a lower cost local public school. That will keep you from having a giant student loan bill.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
I am sure some will disagree, but as a Bankruptcy attorney I can tell that the first thing you should do is find a good bankruptcy attorney. You might not need to file, but you need to be informed in case your lay off is long term.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Check with your company. Some will allow you to leave your money in the Co. 401K if you have a certain amount. If this is so, then leave it for now. It’ll give you one less thing to think about while you deal with unemployment. I think you should check your unemployment benifits to see what you get. They also may have classes to get your job hunting skills up to par.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
If you do return to school (I agree that it’s a good idea — you will be making all your subsequent life so much easier by having that degree: I am 54 and still haven’t finished my undergraduate degree, and the lack has been a real problem pragmatically), consider checking out Cal Newport’s blog Study Hacks to polish your study skills. I can’t remember whether URLs show up in these comments, but in case they don’t it’s calnewport [dot] com [slash] blog. His various series of posts on studying, organizing one’s time, and managing one’s life are among the most interesting and worthwhile I have encountered. I recommend them even if one isn’t in school. Best of luck to you!
April 17th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Go back to school! 28 is not old. Heck, you have 60 more years to work! My sister went back at 35- with two kids and a house payment. You sound single- there are LOTS of single 30 year olds in college according to my single 30 year old nephew.
If you are single, get out of your rut and move on. Simple advice- difficult to do!
April 17th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Hi Allen,
I’m in Madison, too. Have you considered Madison Area Technical College? You might be able to take a couple of classes that would count toward an eventual Bachelor’s degree, and/or take one or two courses to gain proficiency in Excel, etc., and give yourself a leg up in temp jobs. The UW also offers workshops and individual courses at http://www.dcs.wisc.edu/outreach/conted.htm
There are also several local job boards–wouldn’t hurt to do a google search - Madison WI jobs - in addition to the typical sites like Monster and craigslist. I know the market is tight here–good luck.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
@The Arabic Student:
If you’ve been in the military you know it isn’t for everybody. If you haven’t, it isn’t for everybody. The military is a calling of sorts. If you don’t have the desire to serve then it’s a bad idea. Besides when you deploy, face combat and get jerked around by the powers that be, unemployment doesn’t look so bad sometime. I am proud of my service and wouldn’t trade it for anything, but I wouldn’t want someone fighting next to me who joined simply because they were in between jobs.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Allen, you live near me. I am a graduate of UW-Madison, and I know what a GREAT school it is. Plus, the education is an amazing deal compared to many other private or public schools.
I strongly recommend that you speak to someone in admissions at the school. There are so many ways they might be able to help you. School might not be the answer, but you’re in a great position to check it out. A Madison education can’t be beat! You are very, very lucky to be living near such a great resource.
Also, Madison is extremely progressive when it comes to social services and helping hands. There are things like Angel Ministries for food (http://www.angelfoodministries.com/order/default.asp?pid=57…most sites are further East than you, but it still might be an option)–and I know that there are a ton of programs through places like Willy Street Co-op and such. There are so many options at your fingertips.
I also have to disagree that Madison’s public transportation sucks. It’s not too shabby. At least you have that option, should you need to sell your car. I live in the burbs, and there is no public transportation for many miles. You are lucky!
Madison is a great place to lose a job because there are so many resources for you there. Please talk to the university and start combing the area for help–I KNOW it’s out there, you just need to find it.
If you really need to find a job and Madison isn’t panning out, you might have to look closer to Milwaukee. But there are worse things in the world than moving. And many worse than being “stuck” in Madison without a job!
Best of luck.
p.s. I got laid off in January. Best thing EVER. Seriously. I hope you take this as chance to find what you love.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Look for a job in a warehouse as a food order selector. Usually pays about $17-20/hour and usually 4 day workweek. No education or experience necessary and there are food warehouses in every part of the US. I am doing this now in spite of having a college degree plus going to school again part time.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I haven’t read all the comments, so apologies if I’m repeating stuff.
–Go to any networking events that you think you might remotely qualify for a job in. I got a lot of freelance/contract work that way, which gave me a foot in the door when it came to applying for full-time jobs.
–Apply for jobs you think you qualify for even if the job posting says a 4-year degree is required. Make sure your cover letter explains why your experience is more valuable than what’s taught in classes. It won’t work in a lot of cases, but you’d be surprised how hiring managers often will consider someone without ALL the “required” qualifications if they like other parts of your experience. And if you’re not currently employed, then this is part of your job now.
–Spend a minimum of 5 hours a day on job hunting or networking. Don’t just apply for jobs online. Pick up the phone and try to connect with people who might be hiring or might have a connection at a company that is hiring.
–Consider applying for dead-end jobs that have good benefits. For example, Powell’s Books in Portland is not necessarily the professional job track you’re looking for. But they will help pay for employees to take classes, and they offer an amazing childcare benefit. There have to be some companies wherever you’re based that are like that — the pay might be $8-10 an hour, but they’ll offer benefits that will tide you over while you take evening classes to finish that degree.
Hope that helps a little! Good luck, and know that you’re not alone, and try not to get discouraged as you apply for jobs. Polish those cover letters (which should be customized for each job posting you apply for) and resume, and network your ass off, and something will eventually come through!!
April 17th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
@IndependentOperator was right, the idea of going on Unemployment is… weird for me? It seemed like one of those things that was for OTHER people: I don’t mean that in a bad way, it’s just one of those things i never thought of. I will contact the state about it on Monday: I am TECHNICALLy employeed till the 28th, so i doubt they can do anything for me till then; but that just gives me time to look for another job, and work on my school re-entry, right?
as to those of you kind enough to warn me about taking on school debt: Thank you in advance, but if i keep things smart, go back to Madison (which is a really good price, actually), I hope to not have too much debt, and would pay it off after this market rebounds.
Question on ROTH transfer: Wouldn’t i have to pay taxes on the money that was transferred? Isn’t that the point of transferring into a “traditional” IRA?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
You will need a degree. In 1994 the company I worked for would not even consider looking at a resume without a college degree. There were three employees without degrees. The janitor, the guy on the loading dock and myself. I had been hired as a temp while someone was on a two week vacation. The Human Resource manager I was to work with ended up in the hospital and I ended up staying 8 months. I bridged three departments, Investor Relations, Human Resource and Finance. My background was Chemical research, but I had been a homemaker and mother for the previous 8 years.
I was good at the job I did and I learned plenty about the future. I have encouraged all individuals to get a degree. Employers do not consider anyone without the degree then they look for experience. do work in a related field during college so you can get your toe in the doors after graduation. I also know without that piece of paper I could not work in the field I had even though I have a patent to my name.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
@retired:
I work on a team of software engineers at a well respected company who all make six-figure salaries. Half of them have degrees, half of them don’t. Some employers wont look at your resume without a degree, but plenty will, and will hire you over people with degrees if you seem more competent. Lots of people (especially in software development) have degrees, but aren’t really very good at what they claim that they do. They get passed over for people with a track record of building things that work, regardless of whether or not they have a college degree.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Education really is KEY. Go back to school. Your 30+ years left of work will thank you for this.
April 18th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Seasonal work? Museums and tourist hotspots may be a good approach.
Last year, I spent 2 months working at a campus bookshop as they were phenomenally busy just before the start of the college year receiving stock and just after, when they sold it all to shellshocked first years. And, of course, there’s the Best Buy experience; retail ain’t easy but it’s transferable. Are there any additional skills from there, such as connecting home cinema?
Good luck.
April 18th, 2009 at 9:16 am
The higher education bubble is over, folks. Everyone is looking for people with degrees because there is an abundance of people with degrees, because everyone was going to college.
But everyone was going to college on borrowed money. Default rates on student loans are increasing, like every other loan type. There has been a mania, just like in real estate, where people have been saying “I must go to college!” without any thought, and without any cost-benefit analysis. It is simply accepted, just like house appreciation was accepted, that the benefits of higher education always outweigh the costs.
That is over. People are tightening belts and will be forced to do a cost-benefit analysis on higher education. Fewer people will decide it’s worth $40k of debt, and fewer people will get a degree. With fewer people graduating with a degree, employers will be forced to kick out unrealistic standards like “every janitor must have a degree” and only require a degree when it’s actually… required.
Just something to keep in mind, when you’re doing your own cost-benefit analysis on higher education.
April 18th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Best of luck, Allen.
Good advice above regarding doing a serious cost-benefit analysis of going back to school now. It’s a good idea overall, but it may not fit where you are today, given the money you need now.
My advice would be to not burn out on your search too fast by looking for a job every single day of the week. Spend every MWF doing it, and take Tues/Thurs to do some other stuff: Volunteer to help others at a shelter/soup kitchen or via a ministry of your choice once a week. Spend an hour or two visiting museums or parks or other places on their free days. Write letters. Call your mom, grandma, best friend. Do something completely unrelated to job and job skills at least once a week, just to keep your soul alive. Plus, you never know whom you’ll meet or help who may in turn give you some support at another time.
Best of luck on the job search. I was out of work for nearly 2 years after 9/11, but all the resumes I sent out and people I contacted did come to fruition at the end of that period. And I’ve had freelance work this year from seeds I planted over a year ago. Don’t give up or think your work is wasted, even if results aren’t as clear and immediate as you want them to be.
Hang in there.
April 18th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Best of luck … I came across this advice on job interviews today. The tips are pretty good. (The videos are the “what not to do,” so they’ll just provide comic relief.) http://www.howtonailaninterview.com/
Finally, network, network, network … almost everyone gets a job these days by hearing about the opening from someone else. Not only do you find out about the opening from them, but they also can be a reference, etc.
Shirley
April 18th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Lots of great stuff here. I just went through this and here is what you should do — and more importantly — in what order:
Before your last day:
* Get medical and dental checkups and fill your prescriptions.
* Tell the company to let you know the deadline for rollover and don’t worry about it until then.
* Ask about any outplacement services they will offer you (at least a list of good recruiters).
* Research unemployment and find out how to claim when the time comes (it’s your money after all, taxes you and your employer have been paying in all this time).
Find out what other services they offer when you’re in the system (tuition reimbursement, job training, networking opportunities — I’m not kidding, they all exist).
* Do the budget. You sound like you already know, but make sure you have a handle on every penny and every due date.
The day you get laid off:
* Take it easy and remind yourself this isn’t your fault. Don’t get drunk.
The day after:
* Apply for unemployment (I did it all online in Oregon).
* Once you know your benefit amount, rework your budget. Obviously mortgage and car payment are your highest priorities.
* Once you know what bills won’t be getting paid from your unemployment dollars, call those companies and ask for help. Utilities can point you to assistance programs, Internet service might be able to give you a “promotional deal” for a few months. Cell phone the same, or perhaps waive the cancellation fee to get a cheaper plan (but only if you do it now, you will need a steady, regular phone number for the job hunt). If there’s not enough left for food, tell all your friends to invite you for dinner to lift your spirits.
* Do the networking thing (lots of people have already commented on this).
* Call the people you want references from in person. If you are uncertain, don’t use them (or have a friend call them for a reference for you).
The day after that and in following days:
* Start the hunt. Spend some time each morning online doing the job hunt thing. Try to schedule meetings with people as often as possible. Research companies. Ask recruiters for feedback on your resume.
* Make an appointment to visit your unemployment office in person. It will feel uncomfortable, but they may have useful services you can take advantage of.
* Visit admissions at your college of choice. I find it baffling that people keep saying “don’t go back to school, the debt’s a killer.” I would say ABSOLUTELY, you need to go back to school. The difference over a lifetime is hundreds of thousands of dollars.
“A recent study by the College Board set the lifetime income value of a college degree at $1 million dollars. Critics of the study have pointed out that after accounting for inflation and the cost of getting the degree, the number is closer to $300,000. While the adjusted number is smaller, it still represents an almost 200% return on investment.” +
Make sure it’s practical (your chosen field would be great or something else useful, not art history please). And yeah, make as little debt as possible.
Oh and remember, you can find a job and still continue your schooling — more slowly obviously. I would go after both options right now.
* In the afternoons, when you’re not busy meeting with people, visit the library and check stuff out. Are there books you haven’t had time to read? An interest you’d like to learn more about? Music you’re unfamiliar with? And go out into the beautiful springtime and enjoy nature (it’s free!).
This is critical so that you a) don’t burn out on the job hunt and b) feel like you are doing something good and useful with this time (time that I bet you used to dream about having — though not with the poverty attached — when you were working full time).
Later:
* Finally, when it’s time to roll over the 401K, call Vanguard. The guy walked me through every single step and answered all my stupid questions. It was easy and didn’t cost anything.
+ http://www.life123.com/parenting/education/college-debt/assessing-the-value-of-a-college-degree.shtml
April 19th, 2009 at 6:03 am
You should join LinkedIn.com to network and get recommendations from old employers and coworkers. Also network with Facebook and Twitter. Let everyone you know help you find a job! Good luck!