ew, gross! Sounds like prison food! Maybe I need to take a good look at all the unneccesary food I buy, cause I eat a lot more luxurious food than porridge.”

Funny you should mention that. Lobster used to be prison food (In that region). It was seen as something only prisoners and poor people would eat because they considered it a bottom feeder.

Also, speaking from experience, yes, the high protien low carb diet is NOT cheap. Meat prices seem to have doubled in the last year

True – I used the wrong term; I make good use of my chest freezer – buying burgers, mince, chicken breasts bacon or whatever’s on special and freezing it so that I can have an entire week without too many “repeats”.

Frozen veg are a god-send when you’re in a hurry … 250g “mixed veg” (mix of sweet peas, green beans, carrots & corn) can be microwaved in 3 minutes and eaten with some fried bacon or an omelette; all for under $4.00!

It’s just that bread, pasta, rice and potatoes are that much cheaper … but in the long run its just not worth it.

A high protein, high veg, low carb diet for a diabetic is never going to be CHEAP, but it can be frugal. Read the grocery circulars, buy the loss leaders that fit the diet, and learn to cook them in a variety of ways.

Hamburger, chicken, eggs, and cheese are reasonably cheap sources of protein. Green beans and carrots are generally pretty good buys fresh; frozen veggies are generally cheaper, if you don’t get the fancy sauced ones. Seasonal fruits are a good bet–we’ll be up to our ears in strawberries next month, and wading in watermelons in July. Apples and pears are not usually expensive. Add a source of carbs–even diabetics need some carbohydrates; just keep count. Rice is both cheap and versatile.

It’s not dirt cheap, but it is possible for a diabetic to eat well on not a lot of grocery money.

But then, a High Protein, High Veg, Low Carb diet is never going to be frugal

(goes – looks at bank balance and curses)

It’s important to note that if any of the grains he ate were soaked overnight they would have a much higher vitamin content (especially the B vitamins mentioned in an earlier comment). Traditional cooking practices often compensated for the lack of variety in the diet.

Also, most people don’t realize that animals raised on pasture produce meat and fat that is filled with essential vitamins and minerals in a highly usable form, a far cry from most food products on the market today.

And, although it’s true we’ve had many advances that help us live longer, it’s inaccurate to claim today’s longer life span is a result of our diet. The fact is, thanks to modern practices children are much more likely to survive their first ten years. Think about it: if a large percentage of a population dies in infancy, the statistics will show a much lower average life span, even if adults would often live into their 70s, 80s and even 90s. Adults do not live longer today; children simply survive and grow up much more often.

I must say that I’m not impressed with the changes Mother has made to the archives. It used to be that you could go to the earliest issue and read through the articles one by one, issue by issue. No more.

I had to try several searches and then reorder them from being based on “relevance” to “oldest first” before I found this.

Before Goldberger’s medical findings, and even for quite some time after, people believed that pellagra was a contagious disease that was spread by poor people and among the inmates of prisons, orphanages, and mental institutions (who all, as it turned out, tended to eat vitamin-deficient corn-based meals and seldom had fresh food). It can still be found today in parts of the world where corn-based diets are common — again, most often among the poor and institutionalised.

I was going from a Wikipedia article (which of course are NEVER wrong! ;D). But supper and dinner are like soda, pop, tonic and coke, regionalisms that have different meanings about the same thing in different parts of the country.

I hope that I haven’t just changed this from a debate on vaccination to a debate of the definition of dinner!

In case anyone is wondering (like I was), back then “dinner” was what was meant by a “late lunch,” supper was the main evening meal.

Thanks for the Measuringworth link! I’ve always been fascinated by references in old media to money, and how it relates to its modern equivalents. I’ve used AEIR, but that only goes as far back as 1913.

I am in total agreement with the pro-science, pro-health, anti-”anti-vaxxer” camp, and I could write a long post about why (short version: it seems the ONE paper written linking autism to vaccines was based on faked data), but this should stop. It’s a very appropriate topic for discussion–just not on GRS!

As far as longevity, there are numerous factors including nutrition, vaccines, technology, water treatment, and even washing our hands. Plus, our lives just aren’t as hard as they were back then. Vaccines played a part, but aren’t the only reason.

We’re the people that they and their offspring make ill because they don’t understand the science and believe Jenny McCarthy instead of their pediatricians. Herd immunity doesn’t work when too many members of the herd get other ideas. So yes, I’ll judge them plenty.

To Joey:

Was that last statement of yours really necessary???

I am not for nor against vaccines, but there are some legitimate reasons *some people* have to abstain from vaccinations. Who are we to judge?

The primary reason people live longer today is because we’ve made many strides in medicine (see: vaccines) since the 19th century. When you don’t have tens of thousands of children (and adults) dying annually from polio, cholera, diptheria, tuberculosis, childbirth, etc, your country’s lifespan tends to increase just a bit.

Of course, the anti-vaccine crowd is doing their part to revive the child-coffin industry for us all!

http://www.measuringworth.com/ppowerus/