How My Parents Saved $14,000 on Home Repairs Print
Saturday, 27th June 2009 (by J.D.)This article is about DIY, House and Home, Real-Life
This is a guest post from MLR at My Life ROI. If you like this post, check out his website or subscribe to his feed.
One thing I love about reading Get Rich Slowly is that J.D. is always willing to get his hands dirty and throw on a different hat. J.D. is a do-it-yourselfer. From writing monthly updates on his garden progress to giving instructions on how to make homemade pumpkin butter and muffins, J.D. does it all! One DIY post caught my eye in particular, though.
J.D. mentioned that the best way to save money on home repairs is regular maintenance. He mentions in the article that he met with a series of contractors to get quotes on things he did not want to do, like painting the house. The point was not that he met with a bunch of contractors — it was that there is a lot of value behind regular maintenance.
J.D. did a good job making that point, so I would like to emphasize the other half of the equation: the value of getting a lot of estimates.
My parents’ situation
Now, my parents are a lot older than J.D. and not as able-bodied. Maybe once upon a time they were, but they are not DIYers anymore. They recently decided they needed a lot of work done on their house. What did they need done?
- Back deck — Our back deck was in
slightdisrepair. Back when I was in high school and college, I would do what I could to help keep the house up and running. I actually paid my way through college by running an exterior painting company. So with that skill set came the familial duty of power washing, scraping, sanding, caulking, glazing, priming, staining, sealing, and painting different parts of the house. One thing I never got really good at was wood replacement and wood repair. I normally subcontracted that kind of work out when I was running my company. A bunch of the slats and fencing were rotted on their deck. Underneath the deck, a few of the support beams were also starting to rot. Seems they had termites. On top of that they had a storage shed right next to the deck which was getting decrepit and was only storing old lawn chairs and Halloween decorations. Phew! Lots of work! - Carpeting (full house) — My parents moved into their current residence in 1988, a full 21 years ago. The wall-to-wall carpets have not been changed since then. They made do with what they had and would steam clean them to keep them looking nice enough. But now that the economy is tumbling, they decided they would be able to find some good quotes on carpet replacement. The catch? They didn’t want to move any of the furniture, so any quote would need to include moving the furniture from the room, and putting it back after replacement.
- Kitchen Revamp — Similar to the carpets, the countertops and cabinets have been the same for the past 21 years. I stripped the wallpaper and painted the walls and cabinets about five or six years ago. The appliances have been replaced because of wear and tear. Other than that, nothing has really been changed in the kitchen. So my parents wanted a quote on completely tearing out and replacing the countertops and the back wall, repainting the walls, changing the cabinet hardware, repainting the cabinets, and tearing up and re-tiling the floor.
So there we have it: three huge jobs that my parents wanted done in the middle of an economic recession. Good thing they’ve saved money for opportunities like these.
Getting the Estimates
My parents went through the normal routine in order to get estimates. They called people from the phonebook, they looked at the local classified advertisements for services, and they asked some neighbors for referrals. When all was said and done, how much were the estimates?
- Back deck — The highest estimate they received for the back deck was about $10,000. They had a few other estimates ranging from $7,500 to $8,800. The highest estimate they received was also the first estimate they received. If this isn’t a testament to getting multiple estimates, I don’t know what is. But they did not sign with the contractor who gave a $7,500 estimate…it gets better!
- Carpeting (full house) — Estimates for the full carpeting job were as high as $6,500 and stayed in the range of $5,500 through $6,500. Why? Each contractor stated that the estimate was a lot higher due to the request that they be responsible for moving the furniture. Understandable…that is a lot more work than they were probably expecting. But my parents did not sign with the $5,500 estimate.
- Kitchen revamp — For the kitchen work my parents also got an estimate from a Home Depot-certified contractor on top of the other contractors that came in. The top estimate wound up being $3,800 and the lowest was $2,900. Surprisingly the Home Depot contractors were in the middle.
Once my parents got all of their estimates, they figured that the maximum they would spend would be about $20,300 by choosing all of the highest estimates. If they chose all of the lowest estimates they would spend about $15,900. Not too shabby…that is a $4,400 cost savings, or 21% off!
But Wait…ONE More Estimate
My parents were ready to go ahead and spearhead all three projects by going with the three lowest estimates. However, I would like to point out that they called the references for all of the lower estimates and all of them checked out as doing excellent work. I would never advocate just going with the lowest estimate to save money as you could wind up having to do a lot of “cleanup” work down the road. They asked me why there would be such a disparity, and in my experience from working in the industry, it is very whimsical.
Luckily for my parents, though, they decided to not squeeze the trigger yet. They knew the neighbor across the street was a big time DIYer. Over the years we have watched him build his front porch, repave his driveway, build an in-ground pool, build a two level deck in the backyard around the pool, cut down trees, plant trees, build a shed, repair his foundation, replace sections of his roof, etc. I said J.D. does a lot… but compared to our neighbor I would venture to guess J.D. is an amateur! [J.D.'s note: There's no question I'm an amateur. Very much so!] What line of work is our neighbor involved in? He is a high school teacher.
My parents decided to talk to him just to see if the prices were in line with the amount of work that was involved. They figured that he, of all people, would know how much time and equipment these three jobs would require. When they asked him they got a much better response than they imagined.
- Back deck — For the back deck he offered to do the job for $1,200, materials included, as long as he could spread the work out over a few weekends. He would also put a few more support beams in to be safe. Potential savings = $8,800 off of the highest estimate and $6,300 off of the lowest estimate.
- Carpeting (full house) — He didn’t offer to do this work. However, he did have a licensed contractor he has worked with before that came out and did an estimate. Their estimate? $3,800! After checking their references my parents found out they passed with flying colors. Potential savings = $2,700 off of the highest estimate and $1,700 off of the lowest estimate.
- Kitchen revamp — The neighbor offered the same deal as on the back deck. He would do the job for $1,200, materials included, as long as he could do it over a long weekend, like a Friday to Monday. Potential savings = $2,600 off of the highest estimate and $1,700 off of the lowest estimate.
They weren’t expecting this at all so it came as a very pleasant surprise. It also goes to show you that you can save thousands in places where you would least expect to look.
By talking to this neighbor they wound up paying him $2,400 for two of the jobs and $3,800 to the contractor he recommended for a total of $6,200. They saved anywhere from between $9,700 (61% off of the lowest estimates which were already 21% off of the high estimates!) and $14,100 (69% off of the highest estimates).
Applicable?
Is this anecdote applicable in your own life? Absolutely! Do you ever see one of your neighbors doing a lot of DIY work? When you talk to them do they talk about all of the weekend projects they have lined up for themselves? If so, would it hurt to ask them if they would be willing to do some side work for extra cash? If not, do they know anyone who would be looking for work?
As long as you are willing to be flexible with the schedule (as my parents were in letting the neighbor do the back deck work over the course of a few weekends), you may find a few thousand dollars in your bank account when all the work has been completed.
If you can’t find a DIYer in your neighborhood at least make sure to ask around for references from your neighbors and get multiple estimates done. If you can’t save roughly $14,000 like my parents did you might be able to save the $4,400 (21%) they were about to “settle” for.
As the weather keeps getting nicer, good luck getting your home maintenance projects completed!
J.D.’s note: Kris and I have had a LOT of work done on our house over the past five years, and I want to echo some of the things MLR has mentioned. Namely, the lowest bid is not always the best option. It’s very important to take into account references and your rapport with the contractor.
We have friends that always take the lowest bid and are then angry that things go wrong. Kris and I sometimes take the lowest bid, but sometimes we take the highest. It all depends on how well we think the contractor understands our objectives and on our assessment of his work. But would we ever hire a DIYer from the neighborhood? I guess it depends on how good her work was on her own place.
Kitchen photo by Yew Tree House. Deck photo by DNA Michaud.

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June 27th, 2009 at 5:18 am
Hiring an unlicensed, uninsured DIYer is huge gamble. What if he was hurt while on the ‘job’? What are about permits, inspections? (Our city requires a permit for installing a new hot water heater.) Did your parents check the references of the DIYer?
June 27th, 2009 at 5:38 am
A great example of doing your homework paying off. I want to fill in an inground pool. My township also requires a permit for everything. Also, a certificate might be needed for when I sell. I have been doing my homework and will get a few quotes.
As for DIY, I am learning and do what I can. Trying to balance time vs money.
June 27th, 2009 at 5:53 am
My mom went to a wonderful source and got an estimate to “remake” her second home for about $140,000. Two bids- both in that range. She asked around and found a group of high school teachers who did it (during the summer in four weeks) for less than half. Two bathrooms, paint, kitchen and popcorn off the ceiling in a high cost of living area- Incredible work. She also now has a source for raking pine needles - instead of the $700 a pop with the landscaper every winter.
Teachers often starve during the year to do what they do and pick up their money in the summer! I should know- I do the same thing!
June 27th, 2009 at 6:15 am
I’m putting in my vote with “S” (comment #1) as BAD IDEA, too.
Are the savings worth it when you’re getting sued for millions because your neighbor got hurt on your property?
Are the savings worth it when you have to re-do everything over because it wasn’t done to Code?
Are the savings worth it when you get hurt because they didn’t do something quite right, and you encountered structural failure?
Hiring an unlicensed and uninsured DIY for home repairs is a huge gamble indeed.
June 27th, 2009 at 6:26 am
I’m of two minds on this. It’s not inherently a bad idea to do work yourself or to hire a friend or neighbor to do it. This can be an effective and inexpensive method to have work done on your house. Yet, as some commenters have noted, it’s also a possible path to problems.
For ourselves, Kris and I are opting to have licensed workers make the repairs to our home. Why? Because the previous owner was a “DIYer” who didn’t really know what he was doing. A lot of the repairs we’ve done over the past five years are to fix things the previous owner screwed up. (The electrician just about fainted when he saw the electrical panel, for example.)
On the other hand, I do have friends who are skilled and meticulous with their work. One of them is a former licensed electrical contractor. The other is merely anal-retentive about his work, and very conscientious. If I were their neighbors, I’d hire them to help in an instant.
I guess what I’m saying is: This is yet another case where there’s no blanket rule. Yes, you can save money by hiring a neighbor. But as Brenda and S have noted, this can be a source of trouble, too.
June 27th, 2009 at 6:45 am
Our neighbor is a retired veteran and huge DIYer. When we had a tornado plow through our neighborhood last year he taught us how to repair our own fence. He’s also taught us how to level a ground and install a spa (his spa, but we learned while he did it). Anytime we want to repair/upgrade/remodel anything we always check with him first. He’s always willing to teach us the skills we need to know.
He also taught us to ALWAYS check with the city to see about permits (easily obtainable by ourselves) and if electrical work is being done it is better to hire a professional because of code and safety issues.
June 27th, 2009 at 7:06 am
I teach and have also become a lot more familiar with home improvement and repairs over the last three years. I have been able to help out friends, earn a little extra income, or trade my services for other products.
So many people assume since the area they live in requires code adherence, then every area must have codes to abide by. Many rural areas do not require work completed according to code. Many people gasp at that notion, but the work I do, and have seen others in my area do, is secure, and would pass code in any city.
Last week I finished a home repair job for a friend who lives in a city with code enforcement. I had to repair three floor joists, replace over half of the sub-floor in one room, fix a plumbing leak, and correctly vent his dryer (some one had just cut a hole in the floor and shoved the hose through the floor). This house had been built and repaired by contractors in the city, who “followed code,” or didn’t follow code. If my friend would have paid another contractor for this it would have cost him thousands of dollars. We fixed it correctly for a fraction of the price he would have paid someone else.
June 27th, 2009 at 7:27 am
I am the original poster.
@Brenda & S –
You are absolutely correct. Hiring someone whose work can not be vouched for is a HUGE gamble. That is a risky proposition.
However, they did not need to check his references. As the article mentions, his reference was his own house. Over the past ten years+ they have seen him replace almost everything on his house. (As I said… roof, deck, pool, etc). His work is done top notch.
As far as code is concerned, the first thing he mentioned when he looked at my parents deck was all of the codes it was breaking. He immediately knew what codes he needed to fix which put my parents at ease even more (the professional contractor actually hadn’t mentioned those things, even if he had planned to fix it). He probably knew this because he built his own deck. The rails on the porch were horizontal with huge gaps, there weren’t vertical slats every 4 inches (approximation) like you see on most porches. He also recommended adding 2 new support beams to secure the porch a bit.
He did great work.
As I said, this isn’t for everyone. And it may not be applicable for everyone in the same exact way. But, the idea is: Get multiple estimates, ask for references, and look for ways to save even more money that may be off the beaten path.
June 27th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Oh, and one more thing I would like to add.
Hiring ANY contractor is a gamble. Some of the work I have seen done by “professionals” is downright laughable. Some work I have seen done by “amateurs” is pristine.
Having run a painting venture for a few years, I know first hand that a lot of people who claim they have insurance/workers comp/etc actually don’t. It may be expired, they may be delaying renewing it while they save up the cash, etc.
Reiteration: ALWAYS check references on both “professionals” and “amateurs,” get a copy of the license and insurance (call to verify it is good) if you use a “professional”
June 27th, 2009 at 7:32 am
There is so much that can be done by the DIY weekend warrior. Take 30 minutes, do a little research and see if you can handle it. That’s the huge money saver.
June 27th, 2009 at 7:51 am
While it’s true that they could sue you if they get hurt on your property, please consider the other side of the coin too. What if a neighbor doesn’t deliver, for whatever reason? Suppose they start a job, but don’t finish? Your only recourse is to sue. But can you? Not only does suing cost you money, but you need a specific written contract and record of payment to go to court. Most unlicensed guys want cash.
Also, it’s my understanding that licensed contractors must warrany any job for 2 years.
June 27th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Over the years we’ve done most things ourselves. We do good work. When we’ve hired “licensed” contractors we ran into a whole range of abilities and levels of knowledge. One plumber that worked for our contractor was a pure Bozo the Clown. The framers covered our chimney with a tarp in heating season - we’re lucky we didn’t die of carbon monoxide poisoning. We checked the contractor out thoroughly. But how do you know who the contractor will hire for sub contractors? You really never know. Do your homework and hire/trade/DIY to the best of your ability and budget.
June 27th, 2009 at 8:46 am
A great resource for people looking to hire qualified contractors is “Angie’s List,” which is an online listing of different services which inlcudes extremely useful consumer reviews and ratings.
An annual membership does cost money, but is well worth it to find a qualified and reputable contractor.
We used this service for the first time last year to hire a company to decommission our leaking oil tank, and were very, very happy with the experience. My mother and step-mother have used Angie’s List multiple times to find people and rave about it.
I too would be concerned about hiring a D-I-Yer for skilled work, as they do not hold a contractor’s license or insurance. But for something like painting or replacing a few boards in a deck, I think I would be okay with that.
http://angieslist.com
P.S. I am in no way associated with Angie’s List.
Katy Wolk-Stanley
“Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without.”
June 27th, 2009 at 8:52 am
As a project manager for a global construction firm and a big proponent of the DIY mindset at home, I think I can offer a couple thoughts:
1. Regarding hiring a neighbor - You are definitely taking a risk by hiring an unlicensed contractor, but I can say with certainty that you’re probably still taking less of a gamble with your unlicensed neighbor that you have a long standing relationship with than you are with the bonded joe schmoe contractor you found in the phone book. Relationships are EVERYTHING in this business. Clear contracts and agreements are very important, but just because you have the right to sue a licensed contractor doesn’t mean you’ll be financially better off doing so. As unreal as it might seem, a good relationship will get you a lot farther than a signed contract. Don’t take that the wrong way though, you still want a signed contract no matter who you are doing work with.
2. In regard to code compliance - Every jurisdiction has it’s own regulations. Most follow the UBC, but each will interpret it differently. Best to spend a little time building a relationship with your city’s building division (Again there with the relationships).
This is a big deal for the deck. Designing a safe deck is not rocket science, but you don’t want to piss off your city building an unpermitted one and you definitely don’t want an unpermitted deck if you don’t have a basic understanding of structural engineering.
Carpet: No need for a permit, no safety issues there.
Cabinetry: Unless you’re doing plumbing work along with it, no need for a permit here either.
3. No matter what work you’re doing, if you hire a contractor, ALWAYS agree to purchase major materials yourself. This is an easy way to protect yourself from a slime ball running off with your check. Most contractors won’t like this as they will not be able to mark-up the materials. This is understandable since this is how they make part of their profit, but you can compromise. Offer to allow them to do all the ordering and make all the arrangements, but you will write your own check to the supplier and negotiate a reduced material mark-up (typical is around 15% but depends on your locale). Win-win.
There are tons of contractors out there and most of them are honest, hard-working people. However, and especially in the residential sector, the last few years of the housing orgy in the U.S. before the meltdown brought an influx of lousy contractors looking to make an easy buck. Hopefully, this downturn will weed most of them out. Always look for opportunities to minimize your risk, but don’t be afraid to make deals based on relationships. Good rapport among the whole team is really what makes or breaks a construction project.
June 27th, 2009 at 9:23 am
As a project manager for a global construction firm and a big proponent of the DIY mindset at home, I think I can offer a couple thoughts:
1. Regarding hiring a neighbor - You are definitely taking a risk by hiring an unlicensed contractor, but I can say with certainty that you’re probably still taking less of a gamble with your unlicensed neighbor that you have a long standing relationship with than you are with the bonded joe schmoe contractor you found in the phone book. Relationships are EVERYTHING in this business. Clear contracts and agreements are very important, but just because you have the right to sue a licensed contractor doesn’t mean you’ll be financially better off doing so. As unreal as it might seem, a good relationship will get you a lot farther than a signed contract. Don’t take that the wrong way though, you still want a signed contract no matter who you are doing work with.
2. In regard to code compliance - Every jurisdiction has it’s own regulations. Most follow the UBC, but each will interpret it differently. Best to spend a little time building a relationship with your city’s building division (Again there with the relationships).
This is a big deal for the deck. Designing a safe deck is not rocket science, but you don’t want to piss off your city building an unpermitted one and you definitely don’t want an unpermitted deck if you don’t have a basic understanding of structural engineering.
Carpet: No need for a permit, no safety issues there.
Cabinetry: Unless you’re doing plumbing work along with it, no need for a permit here either.
3. No matter what work you’re doing, if you hire a contractor, ALWAYS agree to purchase major materials yourself. This is an easy way to protect yourself from a slime ball running off with your check. Most contractors won’t like this as they will not be able to mark-up the materials. This is understandable since this is how they make part of their profit, but you can compromise. Offer to allow them to do all the ordering and make all the arrangements, but you will write your own check to the supplier and negotiate a reduced material mark-up (typical is around 15% but depends on your locale). Win-win.
There are tons of contractors out there and most of them are honest, hard-working people. However, and especially in the residential sector, the last few years of the housing orgy in the U.S. before the meltdown brought an influx of lousy contractors looking to make an easy buck. Hopefully, this downturn will weed most of them out. Always look for opportunities to minimize your risk, but don’t be afraid to make deals based on relationships. Good rapport among the whole team is really what makes or breaks a construction project.
BTW I love your blog!
June 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
My big concern here is lack of insurance. I would be very weary hiring someone to do work in my house if they weren’t insured. If your contractor gets hurt or messes up something, it’s on you.
June 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
I have to agree with the first poster - lots of risks here.
Doing a deck is no big deal but a kitchen job usually involves electrical and plumbing. I’m not saying a diyer can’t do it but the problem is if they screw it up then you have no recourse.
It sounds like this guy was pretty good however.
June 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Here comes my two cents again: With regard to permits, realize that they protect the homeowner and the future occupants. As a homeowner, I would sleep better at night knowing that the work adhered to building codes and that the project met safety standards. You don’t need a permit for flooring or to change a countertop, but yes if new electrical wiring was installed or a sink was moved, or if a new door or window opening was created (but not to replace existing ones), or a deck was added.
If you sell your house, you might be legally obligated to disclose that you have remodeled without a permit. I bought a house once where they added a second master bedroom, and they had a permit. I looked at homes with similar things added, like a deck (permit was required), and they didn’t have one, or an added sun room, and again, no permit, and I by-passed those properties.
June 27th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Sandy –
Yea, permits weren’t an issue.
The kitchen was re-done without needing to do any new plumbing or electrical work.
The deck was already there, he just repaired a lot of the wood and added more support beams. As I said in the article, it was just in disrepair. He brought the deck back into code.
And of course, for carpets, no permit is necessary.
MLR
June 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Oh that’s great that permits weren’t an issue then, in this case. Not to worry there.
June 27th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
As a first-time homeowner and single woman in a town I don’t know well, getting work done carries a lot of stress — how would I know if I’m getting ripped off?
At the moment, I’m in the midst of getting bids to paint the exterior of my first home. My former landlord (a good guy) ran the local Sherwin-Williams store, so he gave me three names — one of which also came to me from a Realtor. Another neighbor gave me a fourth name. All four have now made bids, and I’ve learned a lot.
First, the absolute need for multiple bids. The first bid was for $11K. The next three ranged from a low of $4450 to a high of $6400. All were for the same work using the same specific paint. That’s a $7K swing in prices.
Second, it’s essential to read the bid. The second highest bid, for $6400, includes putting on only one coat of paint; all the others are for two. I’m not interested in paying more for less.
Now I have to make a choice. The lowest bid was a reference from someone I don’t know well. The company provided me, when they came for the estimate, with copies of their insurance, letters of reference and a list of local jobs (including addresses) they had done in the past two years. They also offer a 12 year guarantee on the work. It’s a very impressive package. At the same time, I know that they’ve has one complaint filed against them with the Better Business Bureau in the last year, which was resolved to the customers satisfaction, and I dug up a second complaint on the internet that dates back six years. They do a good volume of business, though, and the references are solid.
The next lowest bid ($1K more) is a guy who went out on his own three years ago. His was the least professional bid — a 5 minute walk around the house and a pretty simple document stating the details — but he comes recommended by two people I know. He has insurance and a license, and no complaints on file. He’’s also purely local.
So, which do I choose? The company with the low bid, great paperwork, lots of references but also a pair of complaints? Or the local guy who costs more, provides only a two-year guarantee (and didn’t think to offer it — I had to ask), but comes with a clean record and two known referrals?
For folks like me, discussions like this one are a huge help!
June 27th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
It pays to shop around! Sometimes you have to wait a little on the best and most likely lowest priced contractors…
Last winter in the northeast, we had a huge storm. We were without power for 11 days. We had at least 25 trees down in our yard and many branches for others.
We received estimates that ranged from 5500 to 1000 to clean up and haul away. The highest priced was a friends recommendation of a UPS guy who wanted 5500, the middle was a landscaping guy @ 3800, the lowest was 1000 - a licensed contractor who plows our driveway. The other problem was time. The middle guy would do it in a week, the most expensive in 3 months on the weekends, the cheapest guy said honestly that he would be able to do it along and that it would take him about 8 hours total with his equipment but it would be space over about 10 weeks due to the high work load. We accepted the lowest bid and waited because we knew he was reputable and decided we could wait a few weeks. I am happy to say that the work is complete. The front and side yards were done within 2 weeks and the back yard with 6 weeks and done very well.
Similar story with a new retaining wall…. We have had quotes from 15,000 to 3000 for the same wall. In this case, it turns out the 3,000 quote is the most reputable and we have seen his work - the other was a quote it fast and see if they fall for it.
All this has definitely taught us to plan ahead and not be in a hurry. If you think the estimate is too high - then go with your gut. In our case, these happened to be reputable contractors. The one thing that I noticed that they had in common - they live in our town or the next over and are family businesses that have been passed down thru their families. Most of the time, the older relatives still work a few days in the business. Hope this helps.
June 27th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Molly, if it were me, I’d go with the company that had the low bid, references, and a 12-year (!) guarantee. Any company that has been in business awhile is going to have BBB complaints; and (pardon my rant) the BBB is something of a scam itself, since companies simply have to pay to get the “seal.” I wish someone would file a complaint against the BBB!
If you do have a problem later on, the company will be more likely to be reachable and make good on the guarantee. If the local guy moves and changes his number, or stops painting, you’re SOL.
If the company was more expensive, this would be a harder decision, but they cost less! They get my vote (just my two cents).
June 27th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
@ Molly -
You reminded me of something! The importance of comparing bids. You may get numbers all over the place from different contractors, but always make sure you are comparing apples to apples.
-Are they using the same or equivalent products?
-Read all the bid exclusions. Sounds like you did and realized that one of the contractors was only going to paint a single coat! That would have been a big change order to paint the whole house again.
-Ask for a proposed schedule/duration of project. Do you really want the low bid if it’s going to take them 6 months to finish your kitchen, showing up whenever they feel like it? Get the durations in writing on the bid and make sure they know you expect them to adhere to it if selected.
Also, getting multiple bids gives you a bargaining chip. Maybe the guy you wanted to hire was just a little high or didn’t include something you wanted. Let them know they’re close and you would prefer to work with them but you need them to revise their bid a bit to match what you need.
June 27th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Going slightly off topic…why is it okay to hire school teachers during their break?
Why do teachers HAVE to work during their break and on the weekends?
Teachers are highly educated (over 85% of us at my school have a master’s degree) and our specialty should be highly valued any society. Contrary to what most people believe we work in excess of 40 hours per week, we are charged with preparing the next generation and we are required to stay current in our field (secondary teachers have to stay current in both pedagogy and their chosen field).
That so many of us have to have a second job to survive is a shame and embarrassment.
….getting off my soapbox now.
June 28th, 2009 at 5:47 am
@ Molly — if you are seeking advice, mine would be to get a couple of more estimates. I wouldn’t spend too much time stressing out about the 2 that you’re looking at. While the rule of thumb is to get 3 estimates, nowhere is it carved in stone that a homeowner is limited to 3. Clearly you have reservations, so get a few more.
June 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
What’s important is to remember how much one earns for a living. If you make $1million / yr, your time is more precious than someone making $85,000/yr for example. Hence, the $1mil/yr should pay money for others to do the work, esp if others can do it better, and the payer doesn’t enjoy the labor. Vice versa. If you make $25,000/yr…. you should try and do everything yourself.
June 28th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Karla -
Not to totally derail your argument, but MOST salaried people (that I know anyway) work more than 40 hours a week. And they do it year round. I don’t disagree that teachers should be some of the most revered and respected professionals out there, but when you figure in a 3 month break every year (I know many teachers aren’t just sitting around for 3 months. Many are out further developing their skills) I think they’re compensated comparatively to the private sector. All that aside, I agree that teachers are, generally, underpaid.
But back on topic, good for that teacher with the entrepreneurial spirit to make some cash with other skills he has while providing some real value to his neighbors.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Solid advice.
It is amazing what can be saved by doing it yourself.
As for using contractors– get references and negotiate!
June 29th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Another possible idea (though I recognize this might be a fluke). A friend of my brother’s that we grew up with had been working doing construction. He wanted to branch out and start up his own company and in order to build up his network of clients offered to do jobs, both big and small, at a slightly discounted rate for the first year. My parents took advantage of this to do a lot of small jobs around the house that a normal contractor wouldn’t have bothered with and in the past few years, some other larger jobs.
Just thought it was a good reminder that often times budding entrepreneurs can be willing to give discounts when they are building their businesses or if you give referrals.
June 29th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
@Brenda & S ’s,
I hate to reguritate everyones’ opinions on this issue. I think it is clear at this point that @Brenda & S ’s opinions are correct.
@Katy Wolk-Stanley,
With this being said, I think it is important to notice what @Katy Wolk-Stanley says regarding Angieslist.com. Although they charge a membership fee, you avoid having to test a contractor or painter out. With user submitted reviews it is easy to see who is really doing great work in your area.
Along with a great network of users, Angieslist.com also offers their service at a discounted price if you use promo code “LEVIN” when asked if you have a promo code. This saved me 12% off my whole subscription.
I hope this helps.
June 29th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
One thing everyone should keep in mind, is that sometimes contractors bid high when they DON’T want the job, giving the perception of ’savings’
June 29th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Our deck was horribly neglected by the previous owners (along with everything else) and we just weren’t ready to shell out for a new one. So, last summer we turned all the boards, then sanded and restained them. It won’t be mistaken for new, but it’s safe and functional for a few more years until that comes to the top of our home improvement budget.
July 1st, 2009 at 5:15 am
A bid that is not based on a full set of specifications and requirements is not worth the paper it is written on. This should be developed at the outset and given to all contractors prior to bidding the job.
I am a homebuilder and our mark-up is amongst the lowest in our area. However, our initial bid is usually one of the highest. Why is that? Our bid is also the most complete, with higher quality materials and labor than the next guy, backed by over 30 years of experience and one of the best reputations in the area.
It is my experience that many of the low initial bidders end up with a higher end cost due to missed items in the specifications and scope of work.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:14 am
I agree with Chris. We work in the construction industry as a subconstractor. Our company is typically not the lowest bid in the bunch. However, our bids use higher quality materials and accurately reflect the true end labor costs. Make sure you are comparing apples to apples when looking at bids.
Also, the BBB is not a true reflection of a business’ reputation. To a business it’s just another advertising membership expense. It’s better to get recommendations from people you know.
On another note, we have been burned one too many times using “friends, neighbors, or relatives” for work around our house. What do you do when you’re not happy with the work? You have 3 choices; Live with it, re-do it at additional cost, or lose a relationship when you complain to the person who did the work. It’s a situation we are not going to put ourselves in again.