I’ve been half-heartedly looking at bicycles lately. Part of me pines for a new city bike, but the rational side of my brain knows that I have two decent bikes already. Still, I’ve killed a lot of time by paging through the Craigslist bike ads.
At the top of every ad is the following warning about scams:

I’ve always wondered exactly how these scams work, but I’ve never taken the time to look it up. I have no plans to wire money to anyone in Nigeria, so what’s the big deal?
Recently on Ask Metafilter, though, a user named PowerCat posted a question about his friend’s new “job”. PowerCat writes:
Basically, this “job” involves my friend receiving very specific money transfer requests from some dude he found on Craigslist. He gets a transfer, sometimes Western Union, sometimes an Interac or email transfer, he then has to cash it and transer it to someone else. The guy usually wants this done within the next hour or so.
The guy explained that what he’s doing is getting clients to buy gemstones over the internet or something, then he has to transfer it in my friend’s name and then he has to collect the money and transfer it to some other person (a Nigerian!).
Is this some sort of money laundering scam?
The consensus is that yes, duh, this is a scam. PowerCat’s friend may be making easy money right now, but he’s going to be screwed as soon as the banks catch on. Apparently, this is exactly the sort of scam that gets perpetrated on Craigslist. An AskMetafilter user named koeselitz posted an awesome explanation of how this internet money scam works:
This is most likely a fake-check-cashing scheme. Check-cashing scams are popular on Craigslist. [...] So: if the money’s coming from a Canadian bank, but the scammer is in Nigeria, who is sending you money? Most likely you are only one of two people being scammed; probably the other person is being sent physical fake checks and being asked to cash them and wire the money to you.
This is a variation on a very common Craigslist scam. It’s much sneakier, however; in the average fake-check scam, what happens is:
- Scammer has some pretense to send a check (e.g. ‘I’d like to buy the bike you listed on Craigslist, but I’m visiting Africa and won’t be back for a few months…’)
- Scammer ‘accidentally’ writes the check for WAY too much ($1000 too much) and begs a favor: ‘could you cash the check and mail the change back to me? If you do, I’ll let you keep $200!’
- Happy dupe goes and cashes the check, keeps the $200 that the ‘generous’ scammer offered, and sends cash back.
- Two days later, he is contacted by his bank, who says that the check was fake and that he owes them $1000.
- Someone cries himself to sleep every night for the next month.
This scam, while pretty successful, has one tough point for scammers: it’s hard to for them to convince somebody to mail them cash sight-unseen, especially when the address is in Nigeria. I imagine they lose a number of people when they ask for that cash to be mailed back, although, again, they’re pretty successful.
The rest of koeselitz’s explanation is too long to reprint here. But if you’ve ever wondered how these internet money scams work, I encourage you to spend a few minutes reading the entire post.
Remember folks: If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. In the real world, you don’t get “something for nothing”. Be careful out there. (And for more information, check out the Craigslist “about scams” page.)
This article is about Odds and Ends Tuesday, 21st July 2009 (by J.D. Roth)


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July 21st, 2009 at 1:04 pm
I’ve always wondered about that too. There were some “jobs” posted on craigslist that involved cutting and pasting ads into craigslist. But the ads seemed to be of that nature…”I’ll wire you money, cash this check, put this in your name and then sell it back to me…” If it seems too good to be true it probably is. And if it seems fishy at all, it probably is.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Another major scam that keeps popping up over and over again on Craiglist is “Data Entry” positions.
In this scam, they request money for the data entry “equipment” and promise to pay you lots of money for entering data. Instead no equipment arrives and your payment is gone.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Cockeyed.com posted a great explanation back in March called “Investigating the Process of a Craigslist / eBay / MoneyGram Vehicle Scam” http://www.cockeyed.com/citizen/accord/craigslist_fraud_outlined.shtml
It’s very well explained for a humor site. And there is even a follow post about one of his readers that was duped by the same scam on Craigslist.
If it looks too good to be true, keep looking and you will eventually figure out why.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I had a friend who almost got taken in by one of these. She rents a room in her home by the day or month, and someone reserved one weekend and arranged to send a check. Then they called and said their company had sent her a check for 4x the proper amount, because they messed up the work expenses reimbursement, and could she just send a check for the difference?
Fortunately she thought to call the company that issued the check in the wrong amount, and found out it was a fake. (Of course if she’d mentioned it to me I’d have known it was a scam, as I’ve heard of these already.)
July 21st, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Whatever you guys do, DO NOT trust a seller who wants you to go through an ESCROW. If an advertiser is pricing way below fair value, beware. The market is efficient, and that price should not be there. Gramatical errors and ridiculous names are other dead giveaways.
JD, why you looking for another bike if you already got 2? Don’t do it! Sell one first, experience the ease or difficulty of it, and then decide in spending the bucks on another bike.
Best,
RB
July 21st, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Recently my wife put up our PSP on Craigslist. A guy was interested and wanted this for his kid, but he was out of the country. He offered to pay way too much for it (red flag) and pay for shipping to Nigeria (red flag). He says he’ll pay through Paypal. Not having all the details my wife tells me he’ll pay through Paypal, so I told her to send him my email address, so he get us the money.
So I get an email from the gentlemen, thanking me and asking that we wrap, so he can give it to his kid straight-away (he can afford to travel, but has to buy a used PSP from the states?). Then I get an email from “paypal”. The email was from “Paypal “. I use paypal quite heavily and I was interested in why the email was coming from fundnotifications.com. I checkout the domain and find there’s no website there and the domain name is owned by some dude (with a different name) in Texas.
So I sent him an email thanking him by name and providing him his address (that’s on his domain registrar) and a link to his home in Google maps in satellite view. Jerk.
He never responded.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I’ve even encountered this thing on local sales. I posted something for my parents on their local Craigslist and specified cash only, etc. Some guy wrote what was clearly a boilerplate msg saying he would pay me extra to “hold” it. I figured a fake check wouldn’t be far behind.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Unfortunately, these scams are growing with the unemployment rate. If you’ve been out of work for a few months and funds are getting low, you might be tempted to take a stab at it. I think that’s what the scammers are relying on.
There’s a lot of good stuff on Craiglist, but there’s no small amount of this crap either.
It also seems to be a general rule that if a “job” offers to set you up in their plan in order to make money, it’s a scam by default. Unless you’re actively driving the inflow of income, you have to ask yourself why anyone would pay you to perform simple tasks that could more easily be performed in a home office by clerical staff.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Also, if there’s no phone #, along with a name for a bigger ticket item, forget about it. If they say they are travelling overseas and can’t be reached, forget about it.
That said, I’ve bought and sold 7 different cars on CL (13 transactions) in the past 8 years and have had all positive experiences. In fact, I buy and sell everything on CL. 95% positive.
Rgds,
RB
July 21st, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I use craigslist all the time and would agree that it’s 95% kosher. I’ve only encountered one scammer, and when I told him I wasn’t going to ship a washing machine across the country for any amount of money he left me alone.
I also ignore anyone who can’t spell or isn’t local.
It helps that I don’t trust anyone, ever.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Lucky you. Scam when it comes to real established Nigerian scammers is beyond logic it has gone from being called yahoo yahoo to yahoo plus. Just be careful and if you believe in God, pray that you do not fall into the hands of those kinda guys thats all.
Save yourselves credit card problems by using highly secure passwords - not your dads name or child’s birthday. Shop only with known merchants or your credit card details will wind up on some credit card list somewhere on the internet for all to copy and use.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:34 pm
I recently tried selling a car on Craigslist. I got 2 emails from scammers. Too bad I deleted them.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Watch out for landlord scams too. When you’re looking for a place to live on CL, sometimes you’ll see one that looks too good to be true. They never list a phone number and their email address is usually of the variety firstname.lastname@[common web email service.]
One dead giveaway is they never use craigslist’s email routing.
When you email them, they will email back and say they are in Africa or somewhere far away for a while, but you can look at the house and send them a deposit if interested.
Yeah right!
A similar scam was happening locally here in San Diego until a local news team tracked the perps down and got them arrested: http://www.10news.com/news/14732977/detail.html
Yuck!
Summary: A potential landlord should have a easily-accessible phone number and you should sign a lease before or at the same time as putting down your deposit. The lease should show the landlord’s full contact info, including address.
-Erica
July 21st, 2009 at 4:46 pm
I’m another very happy Craigslist buyer and seller. I’ve even sold a few things that I shipped. Here are a few rules I live by:
1. Never accept anything but cash for a local transaction. The only exception I make to this is if it’s a small item and I get a copy of their driver’s license in exchange for a check. I would never do this for a big ticket item.
2. For out of state transactions, if they’re willing to send a check and wait for it to clear before I send the item, no problem. Otherwise, Paypal only.
3. I refuse ANY deal that seems out of the ordinary, be it buying or selling. 99% of every exchange that seems unusual is a scam and is oftentimes, pretty easy to spot with poor spelling, complicated circumstances, or just about any international deal.
Remember that if you agree to accept a check and it bounces, you will more than likely be charged a fee by your bank. Proceed with caution!
July 21st, 2009 at 5:27 pm
What these scanners rely upon is the lure of easy money. I know someone who was selling puppies and got a too big check, with the same excuses about maybe they’ll have it shipped, which she didn’t want to do, so he asked for a check to be written back to him. Turned out it was a fake money order. So don’t trust those until they clear.
July 21st, 2009 at 6:57 pm
@RB @ Richby30Retireby40
Internet Escrow can be useful - just choose your OWN escrow, don’t go with what the seller suggests (if they do). I bought a high end photographic lens from South Korea some years ago via eBay. Though the seller had a great history on eBay, I requested an escrow arrangement and I chose the escrow company.
Anyway, escrow accounts can be useful - particularly for large ticket items you want to be sure of receiving.
There have been scams surrounding internet escrow accounts - mainly those were ones which the seller suggested. They were not escrow accounts at all, but a front for their own accounts. So be sure to do an independent search and choose your own escrow provider.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:43 pm
It’s also worth pointing out that with the money laundering scams where you receive money in your bank account then have to pass it on, you can be prosecuted for taking part. And you probably will. I work for a bank and we have quite sophisticated ways to highlight new unusual activity on your account. Beware.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Sometimes I wonder how people get taken in by these scams.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Who sends cash in the mail?
Well, besides my in-laws, as Christmas presents..and part of that was stolen out of the envelope, although I can’t prove it because I didn’t tell them the envelope arrived open already when I thanked them. So I don’t know how much was in it to start with.
But again, who would put cash in the mail, to a stranger????
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:35 am
My mom almost got taken in by one of these scammers on ebay. She put in a couple bids on an item. Then she got an email from the “seller” saying she could have it at the buy it now price if she sent the “seller” a Western Union check the next day. She said that sounded great and asked for the Western Union info, which he gave to her. Lucky for her she checked back on the item the next morning and the bidding hadn’t been closed. That’s when she contacted the actual seller and realized she had been emailed by some scammer instead.
July 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 am
Guys, what you are commenting are about the internet and money scams. I am novice to this virtual transaction; But i applied and got hired with the advertised job from craigslist. My boss referred me to odesk and i was invited for a new and first assignment. I worked hard as virtual assistant (or cal it admin assistant), even late at night_ just to understand the videos of instructions given. The efforts was extreme, because,I consider much the work as treasure to me, for i am the only one working in the family__ it’s for survival. after two weeks, I haven’t recieve my payment for the work and it is $156.00. I need to wait 25 days_for my payoneer debit master card (which i chose for the payment method)to be delivered to my address, all the way from the US.
My boss said yesterday, after having seen my financial statement at odesk, that he is not anymore happy with the odesk. So he cut my connection to odesk and promised to pay directly started yesterday_thru paypal or thru somewhere else.
to start with, He (my boss) gave me an assignment. I need to understand the video instructions and get myself familiarized well how the task would be done. I worked overtime trying to fix things, hoping by this day (today) I could be able to carry things out and get it done.
To my surprise, I could not open the url that he assigned to me anymore, and he urgently asked me to get the things done, but there is a problem of opening the site he assigned to me. I hate to accuse him of a scammer. But he said, we are not going any further together. He needs a highly technical assistant ( may be a supersoman/a magician or anything else), that would not cause the operation to be impaired.
I understand or I respect what he needs, though it is hurting but i tried to understand the situation. If ever possible, I don’t think worse against anyone.
But what about my payment for my two-week work with odesk? He said the odesk would pay me, because he paid odesk for me.
What do you think guys? It hurts to be victim of scam. Though, I learned much of the virtual world, but I should be paid for my burden, however, I have served them. Thus, I am applying for another one, and this comment
(testivar.com)
July 22nd, 2009 at 2:41 am
My mom almost got taken in by one of these scammers on ebay. She put in a couple bids on an item. Then she got an email from the “seller” saying she could have it at the buy it now price if she sent the “seller” a Western Union check the next day. She said that sounded great and asked for the Western Union info, which he gave to her. Lucky for her she checked back on the item the next morning and the bidding hadn’t been closed. That’s when she contacted the actual seller and realized she had been emailed by some scammer instead.
P.S. - Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 am
I recently posted a desk on Craigslist, and got this email from one “dav clinton” (name already suspicious):
“Good day,
I’m interested in the item you placed on craiglist and I’ll like to know if its still available for sale so that i can come and look and pick it up if I’m pleased with it.”
Bad grammar and no actual mention of the item I was selling - I didn’t even respond.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 am
While we’re on the subject of Nigerian scams, you must have a look at this page that details how someone “scammed a scammer”
http://www.419eater.com/html/booked.htm
The entire site is devoted to these experiences.
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:17 am
Tyler (#14) has it right. Keep it simple when using Craigslist. I’ve done it a few times and always meet in a public place (usually a well lit gas station or fast food joint) and insist on cash. Otherwise, it’s not worth the hassle.
Can’t believe people fall for this stuff still after all the stories out there in the media and online.
July 22nd, 2009 at 8:33 am
My friends nearly got caught in a similar scam from this. They were listing a room for rent, and this guy from England with a sick mother was going to send them a check.
Presumably, he would then have asked them for the cash back right after he sent it, having changed his mind or whatever, but they googled his name and someone had posted on craigslist in montreal a scam experience.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:31 am
I actually enjoy “playing their own game” with these crooks. As a matter of fact, not too long ago, I had a guy from “Africa” send me 3 checks before he finally gave up. Each time, I reported that I had never received it. It was blast!
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 am
@Matt #27.
Some of these folks aren’t just scammers, they’re connected to gang activity or other organized crime. Toying with them could bring unforeseen calamity at unexpected times and places. Recommend you just ignore - or report to authorities - anything you think is a scam…
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 am
Holy cats (to use JD’s term), that 419 eaters website at Chetan #24 was unbelievable. People on both sides of this issue waste far, far too much time looking to screw one another. Of course, now I’ve just wasted plenty of time reading the story…
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Nothing beats an old Raleigh 3 speed for commuting. I have a 1974 model that I bought reconditioned from a hard-working, locally owned reconditioner of old bicycles. http://www.bikeville.com/ Check out the photo of the van on their homepage.
It is also a great business model: Buy nice old bikes at flea markets for cheap, invest some sweat and parts to make them mechanically sound, and re-sell them for $100-$200. Usually they come with a mechanical guarantee from the shop.
I’m sure Portland has such a shop. Most big cities do.
Happy cycling!
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
It’s a shame that scammers have ruined Western Union for the rest of us. PayPal in my country will only take you with a credit card (and not one of those pre-paid ones you buy, a proper one). You can add debit accounts, but you must have a credit card to get started. For seven years, while I recovered from heavy debts, I had no credit card, and therefore no PayPal. Fortunately, this was in the early days of eBay before the Western Union scams got started, so I had no problems buying and selling via Western Union. In e-commerce terms, I would be really screwed if I didn’t have a credit card now.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:53 am
Here is an example of a scam that was tried on me while selling a bike on craigslist.
Scammer: Hello,
I was fortunate to spot your advert on the net and I like to know if
it is still available for sale.If Available,please get back to me with
the following enquirers:
Are you the first owner?
Any accident……..
Last price?….
Present condition?……………
Pics?………
Best Regards,
Owen………
Me:yes its still available
2nd owner
last price? i lowered from 725
no accident, condition is good
the pics on craigslist are the ones that I currently have
Scammer: Thanks for the response.I have been searching for this for a while now
and I am looking to Buy ASAP.. I am okay with what i have seen in the
Ad and i would be willing to buy it from you..Am a set administrator
for a movie. We move from one location to another.My superiors have
given me the go-ahead and i will need the following info to get the
payment sent to you:
1)Full Name
2)Your address
3)Your phone contacts (home/office/mobile) .
Also,I will forward your mail to my Associate to send you the payment
and also instruct him to include the shipping fee to your
payment,because he has to arrange for the shipping..
PLEASE NOTE: That the payment will be cleared first before Pick-up.
Best Regards,
Owen………
Me: Sorry, the bike is sold and I don’t get fooled by scammers like yourself. Karma will get the best of you crook. Get a real job…
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 am
my boyfriend almost got scammed on an ad for a dog in the local newspaper. there were pix and all. but once i asked about the lady and wanted to see the emails i picked up on the scam immediately. i could tell that the person writing the email was not a native because of the bad grammar, even tho she had supposedly just moved to africa for missionary work. i started googling her name and phone and came upon a website where someone had posted the same email my boyfriend had received saying the puppies were free, but we would have to pay half of the shipping from africa. live dogs shipped from africa!!! sorry to say my boyfriend is very gullible and wanted to get me my favorite dog, but if it weren’t for me sticking my nose into it, he pry would’ve been scammed. i did some more research and came up with a website about nigeria and all the scams that come out of that country. don’t remember for sure what the site was but there were many types of scams…usually the ones you hear the elderly falling for like credit card info and checking account stuff.
July 23rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
My brother in law got scammed. He was selling his drum set and someone emailed him saying they would pay for it and pay for it to be shipped to the states. So the guy sent a cheque and once my brother in law had cashed it the guy said he wanted the money back. My stupid brother in law didnt wait til the cheque cleared and sent the guy the money only to find out the next day that the cheque was no good. He blamed the bank and the news was going to do a report on it, but I think they were going to mock my brother in law for falling for this scam! Seriously who would fall for that??
July 24th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I manage an apartment building and when I put ads on Craigslist I often get scam replies. It’s always from someone living overseas who will be moving here for work and will have “an associate” already in the States check out the place.
What’s amusing is that many of these scammers use the same template! You get identical stories, almost word for word.
July 26th, 2009 at 3:56 am
A while back, my wife had a strange experience.
She started getting emails from friends asking why she was out in Nigeria. Then I got an email from ‘her’. From her old Hotmail account. In it it said she had gone out to Africa to do some work with the needy folk out there. She’d had a problem, can’t quite remember if it was because she’d been robbed now, but anyway, she’d lost all her money, had none to get her back here (to Denmark, though they didn’t specify where) and would we send some money over to her asap. I think they specified an amount, can’t remember how much now. Details to follow.
She was of course sat next to me while reading this email. As far as we can tell, they had managed to get into her old, not used now we’re on Macs, Hotmail email account and sent these emails to people in her address book. They’d changed the password so she couldn’t get into it or use it in any way.
Luckily, it would seem no one got caught out by this, as loads of people sent emails to confirm, and we sent emails out to all and sundry warning them.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:01 am
If you have a question on whether or not a check is fraudulent then just ask your bank. They can examine the check and do the research to make sure it’s legitimate.
March 8th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I had an experience with this company called OICO Fund Management. The scam is so packaged that you won’t suspect anything. They have an intranet for their supposed employees and a public website (which looks so elegant but doesn’t contain much).
Basically, they got my info from Yahoo Hotjobs and contacted me for a customer service position in the company. After the long recruitment process, they gave me a training packet where I found out that my primary duty was to transfer money from one account to the other. I wasn’t comfortable with this and told my ’supposed’ manager that I thought it was a scam. That was the last time I heard from them.
FYI, these are not Nigerians and they are not even Africans.