What We Wish We Knew When We Were Younger
Published on - July 31st, 2009 (Modified on - August 5th, 2009) (by J.D. Roth) Kris called me at seven o’clock last night, just as I was sitting down to write the Friday “Ask the Readers” post. I was sorting through this week’s questions when the phone rang.
“Are you busy?” she asked. “Can you do me favor?”
“Maybe,” I said. “It depends on what it is.”
“Ryan’s car broke down,” Kris said. “He’s stranded here at the lab and can’t get home. Can you give him a ride across town?”
“Sure,” I said. But I did the mental math: The trip would take me a couple of hours. Because I hadn’t yet started on the morning’s post, I knew I’d be up late.
I drove to Kris’ office to pick up Ryan. Ryan’s a young man, just out of college. He did some temp work in the construction industry before getting a job as a scientist. He and his girlfriend are getting married in two weeks. They just rented a house together and are supposed to have moved out of their apartment by tomorrow. With Ryan’s car in the shop, that’s going to be difficult.
“What kind of work do you do?” Ryan asked as we drove across Portland to Beaverton.
“I’m a professional blogger,” I said. “I write a blog about money.”
“Stocks and bonds and stuff like that?” he asked.
“A little,” I said. “I do cover the details, but a lot of the time I write about the mental aspect of money. I’m interested in the psychology, in the behavioral side of personal finance. I don’t know how your money skills are, but mine weren’t very good when I was young, and that’s mostly because I had bad habits.”
“I’m lucky, I guess,” said Ryan. “My parents taught me about money, so I try to do the right thing, like avoid credit card debt. I try to.” From the way he said it, I thought that the whole car repair/wedding/renting a new house combination might be taxing his reserves.
“Thanks for the ride,” Ryan said as we pulled into the apartment complex.
“No problem,” I said. “I’m happy to do it. People have done the same for me in the past. It’s my turn to pay it forward.”
As I drive home — windows down, the Mini’s sunroof open, listening to 80s synthpop — I thought about what it was like when Kris and I were starting out. I remembered what it felt like to go through the motions of adult life, hoping that I was doing things the right way. “It’s too bad I didn’t have an instruction manual,” I thought.
But what would an instruction manual for personal finance contain? What would have helped me most when I was starting out? What would help me most now? Instructions for how to invest? A list of steps for buying a house? Tips for avoiding overdraft fees? Or would I have profited from the more psychological stuff — like how to deal with failure?
At stoplights, I jotted down a list of the five things I really wish I had known when I was younger:
- Why it’s important to pay yourself first. My father tried to tell me this when I was nineteen, but I just wasn’t ready to listen. Now, after having watched Kris sock away up to 25% of every paycheck for the past decade, I understand how important it is to set aside savings — for vacations, for home-buying, for retirement — before doing anything else with your income.
- How to harness the power of compounding. I wish somebody had shown me a chart demonstrating the difference between paying a credit card company 18.9% interest on $10,000 versus a bank paying me 3% interest on the same amount.
- How to avoid the seductive trap of lifestyle inflation. As my income grew, so did my spending. In fact, my spending grew faster than my income. It never occurred to me that I ought to save this money. And it took me years to understand that most of the Stuff I was buying would end up gathering dust after very little use.
- How to avoid the chains of debt. Debt is slavery. The less you spend, the more flexibility you have. Because I developed debt early and quickly, my choices were limited. I had to take any job I could because I was tied to the monthly payments. And then, once I’d recognized the error of my ways, it took years to break the chains that bound me.
- How to save on things both big and small. My friend Ramit seems convinced that small frugality doesn’t matter. I disagree. I’ve never really had a problem saving on the big stuff. I research the hell out of most expenses over $500. It’s the small stuff that has killed me, and that’s largely because I thought it didn’t matter. The small stuff does matter. If I’d known that sooner, I could have avoided a lot of pain.
“What do you wish you’d known about money when you were younger?” I asked Kris when I got home.
“Well, I never really had a problem with spending or with debt,” she said. She thought for a moment. “I wish I had known to pay myself first, even when I couldn’t afford to save very much.” (This coming from a woman who saves a quarter of everything she earns!)
I get the sense that Ryan will do just fine. He has a good head on his shoulders. He’s being careful, even in the face of so many financial stressors. I just wonder what he’ll be thinking fifteen years from now, when he’s my age.
What do you wish you had known about money when you were younger?
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I’m a student, 22-years old. I had a problem last summer when I got my first real summer job. I had never ever received such money and subsequently my spending ran out of control. New LCD-tv, check. PS3 (and a whole bunch of games that I hardly play), check. New computer parts, check.
I even had to borrow some money from my parents to pay rent. Probably one of the most humiliating moments of my life, given the reason that led to it.
Lifestyle inflation.
Today I got a savings account, investments in exchange traded funds and a balanced budget. Wish I had had this knowledge back then. Thanks for this blog.
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What’s with this epidemic of Regret Disease?
If the stock market is lower now, won’t I regret not having pulled out my money earlier, or not having put my money somewhere else?
If the stock market is higher now, won’t I regret not having put more money in earlier, or having put my money somewhere else?
I’m over 60, and my parents were teenagers during the Great Depression. Thus they learned to be real conservative with money. What did that do for them? They sat on the sidelines during the greatest bull market that arose after WWII.
The key to happiness (isn’t that really what we’re debating here?) is to make my own choices, and to be happy with myself.
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1) I wish I’d known how expensive kids are!! At the time, I had no clue what it takes financially to raise one, let alone two. You just almost can’t save ENOUGH…
2) I wish I’d know how fast the *newness* of that sleek red Camaro IROC with the T-Tops and tuned port injection would wear off, and how loooong the payments would last. lol Never felt the need to buy new (nor extravagant) again, and have owned and loved several sound–but not sleek nor fast–commuter cars since.
I’m 49; been married 30 years.
As an aside, I’m reminded of the time DH and I applied for our first credit card–we were young, had been married about two years, both had stable jobs, had a mortgage on a small starter home, had no credit history problems or other debt.
We were turned down! The bank (Wells Fargo, where we banked at the time) said we had “too little credit history.” We still laugh about that today, since banks throw handfuls of credit cards at anyone 18 years of age, who can even be jobless and living at home…
My point is that not so long ago folks lived their lives without ANY credit cards, which made the process of money management more straightforward. When the bucks were gone, you were done spending–period, even if you ate cereal and water for dinner until that next check. It kept the budget up close and way more personal.
We finally got that credit card–we’ve had only one, the same one, for 27 years, and the balance is paid off in full each month. Like other financial instruments, it is only a tool, not a magic lamp.
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I do have things that I wish I had known when I was younger…but even better, I was able to ask a colleague what advice he had for a young person (I was 31, he was 77) now that he was retiring after 40+ years as a financial adviser. He said two things:
1) Don’t be greedy (you don’t need 100% of your $ invested in equity to make money)
2) Keep your overhead low.
I have been trying to do that for the last two years, since I got the advice.
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“18.9% a month” — off by an order of magnitude?
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@Eric (#105)
Oops! You’re absolutely correct. I fixed the error. Thank you.
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There are always things I could have done differently, but looking back, all of those choices led to where I am now – and I like now a lot. Even the mistakes turned out to have good consequences in unexpected ways – so how can I truly regret them?
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Thanks for the tips. I am an incoming high school senior and hopefully now that I know this, I’ll actually follow through. My teacher posted this on Facebook and I have to say, I’m glad I clicked on the link.
I consider myself a pretty smart shopper. I look for the things on sale and I don’t mind buying generic brands. But what my mom says is true – “It all adds up.” I can go shopping and only buys things around $5-10 but at the end of the day, it’s still a hole in my wallet. I used to be a much better saver. I saved up for my own camera and my own laptop in a matter of months. But that was when I attended a private school with a uniform to wear everyday. Now, in a public school, it’s hard to wear the same thing twice in a month much less every day. I have access to my mom’s credit card, but I always feel guilty for using it. It’s her hard earned money and I feel that I shouldn’t get used to the idea of swiping a card every time I want something.
I’ve had jobs before and I saved most of the money but with college expenses looming just beyond the horizon, that backpacking trip through Europe I’ve been planning with my friends just doesn’t seem possible anymore. I know that the trip is nothing compared to my education, but it may be the last time I can do something like this before I have to get a real job and a real life.
Scholarships are a big “duh” in my situation but they’re hard to come by. And the truth of the matter is, I will probably be up to my ears in debt by the time I get out of graduate school.
Any advice for a young adult such as myself?
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My parents (particularly my dad) sometimes tried to teach me about money and savings when I was growing up, but they never encouraged opening a checking account or getting a credit card. In fact, they paid cash for everything. They never had a mortgage and paid cash for all of our cars. This was a great way to live for them, but I was very disadvantaged once I was out on my own. I never had any student loans, or any crdit cards. It took me many years to develop some credit history.
But, I did learn to never spend more than I have – and never carry credit card debt. I use credit cards as a tool to gain points for free stuff. I also save 25-30% of my gross earnings and then pay bills and spend the rest on travel and things that make me happy now.
I try to balance future retirement needs with happiness today. You are not guaranteed anything in life – including being alive and/or healthy when you retire.
So, my husband and I save 30% gross of annual earnings for retirement (never touch it), we pay all of our bills and then we go on exotic vacations. I can’t rely on both us being alive/healthy 30 years from now to go and travel. We can do it now and have the memories forever.
The key is to save more than you spend and pay yourself first. Also, have a degree in a good field and become a business owner. Once you do this, you can have the freedom to enjoy your life.
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All of the above! I grew up in a family that was necessarily frugal (although I only recently realised that we were probably poor) but just never thought about money that much. Fortunately my parents taught us some basics by making us buy, raise and manage livestock, keep the books etc. But I recently discovered Noel Whittaker’s books (Australian financial advisor) – Making Money Made Simple among others – and it covers your wishlist pretty well. I’m looking out for young friends & family about to leave home so I can give copies to them!
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I wish I’d not bought my first two cars on credit. What a lot of wasted money in my early adult years!
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All the same, I’m really glad for a few things I DO know now that I didn’t know when I was younger.
While the question is an interesting one, how we apply what we do know going forward is much more important that what we wished we would have known when we were younger.
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Great article and fantastic comments.
I am 39, and wish I had worked a bit more and saved the money. Son of doctor, and assumed money grew on trees, so I also wish I had known sooner it is MY job to take care of my finances. I was lucky to marry a wise money manager before I came to realize my “well off” father had disastrous finances. If I had remained expectant on him I would have been in a big hole – which happened to my older sibling.
As for the “small stuff”, I think it adds up. I have spent so much on books, magazines, and food. Lunch is my current enemy – the tab adds up!
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I don’t understand the comments about worthless English degrees. During my last job hunt, none of the jobs openings would consider someone without a four-year degree. I have a good job with great benefits, and a B.A. in English or journalism was a requirement. Also, my uncle has worked for the same company for over 20 years, and they refused to promote him past a certain level simply because he lacked a degree.
As for the post topic, I wish I had done two things when I was 18:
1. Read something like Your Money or Your Life
2. Started yoga
The second one might sound strange, but a money lifestyle book combined with a yoga practice that quiets the mind would have made me a much happier person in my early 20s, instead of spending it always looking to buy, to have, to own. Always restless.
I didn’t have a very good example about money management from my parents, and they didn’t have one from theirs, but I was determined to do things differently. It’s just taken some time to change my mindset and change my behavior.
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I wish I had realized how much freedom not having consumer debt meant. I became debt free about 2 years ago and have been able to travel and make big purchases (house), because I haven’t had the debt payments looming over me. Ironically I have been able to buy more of what I want because I can plan for it and put aside part of my paycheque towards it. Before because of large debt repayments I was living paycheque to paycheque and not seeing any of the fruits of my labour.
Secondly, I wish I had known that planning for purchases made it that much more fun and I got better use out of whatever I bought (even the small things) and that instant gratification purchases were gone in an instant.
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I wish I had not bought so many clothes and scrapbooking stuff in the past 10 years. I look around and see so much “stuff” and I wish I didn’t have it all and had the money in the bank. Really, I wish I would’ve used it to pay for school so I wouldn’t have so many student loans. I’m 29 and have changed my ways, so I guess I’ll make up for it in the future.
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I think that these new credit card laws their passing for college students are going to take some of this learning away. All its going to do is extend the learning curve a couple of years later.
I’m a stubborn guy, and I think the only way we learn is by going through a few bumps ourselves.
Something I wish I’d known when I was younger about money is… some advice I got later in life “don’t become infatuated with short term success, when you have long term goals”
I got a blog up about the new credit laws if anyone wants to check it out “Will Good Intentions Translate into Results?” http://www.thedebtgazette.com/2009/08/collegestudentlaws/
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if only…if only… I had read and understood ” The Richest Man in Babylon” by George S Clason. This was really the turning point in my finances and lifestyle.Get it.
also…relax and enjoy window shopping. usually its enough. you dont need to own everything you see.what was once your greatest pleasure may end up as your greatest burden.
people dont tell you about their mistakes all the time. pride you see.no one wants to appear stupid.
if you do want to buy something with apassion then try to wait for two weeks before buying it. i bet when you get there you will no longer want it. or you will have learned something that puts you off it.
oh ..you can try that with possible partners too!
less haste-less waste!
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If only we had a time machine….
I wish I would have worked less and played more. I was (am) so focused on accomplishments and working for the future that sometimes I miss out on enjoying the present.
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I wish I had learned taxes earlier! Recently I sat down with one of my friends who has a masters in finance. She showed me how they do their taxes every year. She saves so much b/c she knows all the deductible things and keeps perfect records!
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I wish I knew about variable interest rates on credit cards, and revolving debt on your credit score. Maybe then I would have actually paid off my debt instead of just transferring it around.
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I wish I had known more about working for a company than money. Companies are not full of liars or anything, so don’t take this the wrong way: both the applicant and the company do everything possible to put on their best appearance during the interview process. College, and I mean the schoolwork part, was a more rewarding experience on a consistent basis than my working career has been in the five years since I graduated. At this point I’ve veered down a better path for me in my career. Better; not as good, better nonetheless.
As for money, I have to agree with Ramit. His rule #1 is your rule #1: pay yourself first. Invest and save first. If you have money left over to buy the little things then buy them, that’s what the leftover money is for. That’s all he means.
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I was really frugal when I was young, and gradually got more and more spendthrift (especially when it comes to food) though I’m improving my ways now.
I wish I’d known that the income I was getting as a PhD student was actually good – I’m probably not going to ever earn much more than that – so I would have saved more instead of thinking “but I’m just a student”. I think it’s easier to save when you don’t feel like you’re going to be earning more in a few years and won’t be scraping as much to do it.
At the same time, I wish I’d known to sometimes to go into debt to buy food when I was an undergraduate. There was one time when due to a sequence of unexpected events (including temporarily losing my government study assistance due to an error and getting my wallet stolen on payday) that I ran out of money and was only bringing in enough to pay my rent, buy my bus ticket to university and have $3.50 a week for everything else. There’s been inflation, but it wasn’t enough. Anyway, I lived within that. I ate very very little for four months, went out of my mind, got sick and too demotivated to look for a second part-time job until eventually I got backpay on my study assistance. My grades were awful that semester. Food is very important.
That said, this whole thing happened so fast, that I’m not sure I could have avoided it really. I’m just glad I won’t have to go through that again (hopefully). I really should have saved more when I was on my PhD scholarship….
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I wish I had known that the best time to start looking after your finances is RIGHT NOW. Don’t put it off until after you finish studying, don’t put it off until you get a ‘real’ job, etc. etc. I am 25 and although I’ve never been in debt and I have reasonable savings I have frittered so much money away on STUFF because I always figured I wasn’t old enough to worry about money yet, had plenty of time to save/invest/etc and never sat down and actually worked out what I could have today to show for my 10 years of work (albeit 7 years of that was part time or low wage).
One thing I don’t regret though is spending money on travel – some experiences are priceless.
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