Howdy, folks! Staff writer tryouts still have a few days left, but I jotted a quick post this morning and thought I’d squeeze it in this afternoon just to break things up. I wrote a MAMMOTH post about taxes yesterday, but I don’t know if it’ll ever see the light of day. It’s a sort of tedious subject. See you again on Monday!
I had to smile to myself as I walked up to my office this morning. One of our neighbors has hung their laundry out to dry on their front porch. I think this is great, and hope that others in our neighborhood agree. (I’ll bet they do; it’s that kind of neighborhood.)
This reminded me of the book I’ve been reading. In February, I asked GRS readers to recommend books with true-life stories about frugality. A couple of readers recommended Little Heathens by Mildred Armstrong Kalish, a memoir about growing up in Iowa during the Great Depression. I’ve finally made time to read it, and it’s excellent. Naturally, in the 1930s clothes were hung out to dry — even in winter. It was a family affair, and people liked doing it (probably because they hated the actual washing part of the chore):
Is there any sense trying to make the modern-day reader understand the immense satisfaction we experienced in viewing our bright, clean wash arranged in such a meticulous fashion on the clothesline? Heaven knows we had more than enough to do without this added display of superhousewifery. But the whole ritual was a matter of pride.
[...]
To crawl between crisp sheets, warm and fresh from the sun and air, at the end of a bone-wearying day, is one of the true soul-restoring luxuries of life, which hardly anyone of the current generation will ever know.
Seeing the neighbor’s laundry also reminded me of something that happened over the weekend.
The electricity bill came on Saturday. This is one of Kris’ bills, so I don’t usually see it. But she brought it to me glowing with pride. “Look at our power consumption this year compared to last year,” she said.

“Wow,” I said. “It’s dropped by a third.”
“I know. And do you know why that is?” asked Kris.
“Because I moved my computer up the street to the office?” I guessed. Kris shook her head.
“I think it’s because I’ve been hanging the clothes out to dry,” she said. “I think that’s the entire reason. A clothes dryer uses a lot of electricity. It’s a little more work to use a clothesline, but it’s a lot more satisfying.”

I think our electricity usage has dropped for a combination of these two reasons: moving my work computer out of the house and drying clothes outdoors. Whatever the case, our costs have dropped along with our usage. Our average daily electricity cost is down from $2.50 to $1.85. Sixty-five cents a day won’t make us rich, but it’ll certainly buy us a couple of nice meals on our trip to France next year!
This article is about Frugality, House and Home Thursday, 13th August 2009 (by J.D. Roth)


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August 13th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Don’t your clothes feel all stiff and crunchy when dried on a clothesline?
August 13th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Kudos to Kris for doing the hanging up! (it can be good exercise, JD, so you might want to participate…). The most recent issue of the Green newsletter also encouraged giving up one’s dryer, but even though I hang up my most delicate items (inside), I’m still using my dryer for most things. we live on the corner of one busy and one busier street, and I’m not sure I’d believe my clothes wouldn’t get dusty etc while drying outside. But, I have a dryer with a sensor, so I don’t have to guess at how long, and I try to do full loads.
August 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
@Tyler (#1)
Indeed, they do! The stiff crunchiness is a blessing — and a curse. I love a stiff and crunchy bath towel. It’s, well, invigorating. Like drying yourself with sandpaper.
Other clothes are less good when stiff and crunchy. I’m not a fan of stiff and crunchy t-shirts, for example. If I really find myself frowning at piece of rigid clothing, I carry it down to the bathroom while I shower. The humidity seems to help.
Clotheslines are not for everyone. I know that. But Kris and I like ours!
August 13th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
We recently got rid of our clothes dryer and hang all of our laundry outside. Living in the desert our clothes dry fairly quickly year round and it is actually cooling to hang sheets in the summer. The relative lack of rain also means there are few days where hanging the laundry is a problem due to weather.
Climate is certainly a factor - this would probably not be an option in Seattle for example.
By the way, I’m enjoying the staff writer tryouts, but it was good to “hear your voice” again.
August 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
I have always hung most of my own clothes to dry, because that’s actually what the care label says to do! In the summer, I do quite a lot of everyone’s stuff outside… usually. But this is the year summer forgot, with rain every day.
Although it is suddenly hot and sunny at last, and I am taking advantage of every minute of it!
Re: bringing clothes into the bathroom during a shower: this is actually a great way to freshen up wrinkled items too. Back when I used to go to formal dances regularly (there was a big craze for them when I was in university) I would bring my gown in with me while I showered. It saved me a ton in dry-cleaning bills.
August 13th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
“Sixty-five cents a day won’t make us rich, but it’ll certainly buy us a couple of nice meals on our trip to France next year!”
That is about 170€, Is that really enough for more than one nice meal for two in France? I bet it would be more frugal to hone your language skills in Senegal, or DR Congo.
P.S. I spend about US$10.00 month drying my clothes in the laundromat, i.e. 33 cents per day. So 65 cents per day for two person household sounds right on to me. For probably 90%+ of the world today, a dryer is a luxury and not a normal thing you would own and hang drying clothes can be observed all over the world even e.g. central America during rain season. I don’t know how they do it, but they do.
August 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
I lived in Central America for a year (Honduras) and not only did I line-dry my clothes, but the washer itself was outside too!
In the rainy season, it would start raining at 4pm-ish until 8pm-ish, almost like clockwork. The whole day was sunny until late afternoon, and clothes would dry in the hot sun there quite quickly. So that’s how they are able to do it. There was only 1 overcast, rainy day the whole year I lived there
And I loved it!
August 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Clothes driers are not that common in Australia in my exp. Even in winter I just hang things up inside on a clothes horse.
August 13th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
In contrast to the many joys of clotheslines, there’s apparently quite a “knicker-twisting” in the works in Connecticut — http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/conflict-over-clotheslines-in-greenwich/
August 13th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
When I gave up on hanging clothes outside (we have no sun. none
) i watched the elctricty meter and our daily usage didn’t increase noticeably. I think its extremely efficient.
When my husband moved in with us 10 years ago out electricity jumped 40% - he brought 2 computers with him. I think they account for 74% of it.
We have huge electricity bill these days - but we do have 5 computers on at al times and another 3 on some of the time.
Remember you are still paying for the electricity in your rent at the office!
August 13th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
RE: Stiff and crunchy clothes
I asked a question on an old post about this exact issue and got a few good responses. You can read them here:
http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2009/07/13/our-frugal-weekend/#comment-186778
That conversation also inspired me to write an article on best practices for saving money and energy by dumping your dryer a few weeks ago:
http://frugallygreen.org/2009/07/22/dump-your-dryer-and-rack-up-the-savings/
August 13th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Ohmygoodness, Ann. That’s a sad/funny article. I love the link to the Project Clothesline blog. It’s a clothesline advocacy group!
August 13th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
I’ve posted previously here about how our clothesline saves us (family of 4) at least $20 a month. I absolutely LOVE it. It’s beyond me how people have become so ignorant and pass laws against having them. That Greenwich story is ridiculous. When is the last time you heard of someone being hurt in the dark when wandering into a clothesline? Idiots. Just a few weeks ago our neighbor had a dryer fire that caused thousands of dollars in damage to her home. Sigh.
August 13th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
I love hanging clothes out to dry. One of the best feelings in the world is climbing into bed on sheets that have been drying outside all day - the smell is intoxicating!
August 13th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
You’re here in Oregon like me so I have to ask: How do you use a clothesline here with all the rain? Doesn’t that just keep your clothes wet? I really want to use the clothesline instead of the dryer but this seems like a fundamental flaw to me.
August 13th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
People who love tohang their clothes out do not have allergies I think.
August 13th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
I bought a house early this summer. While much of this summer has been dealing with unpacking, my goal is to get the inside done so next summer I can play with the yard. One of goals is to get a clothesline up. I love nothing more than sleeping on sheets fresh from the clothesline!
I don’t mind the crunchiness of clothes. If there’s a stiff wind, they’re generally not as stiff, and my mom said if you give them a good shake/snap before you hang them, it helps with the stiffness. I have no idea if that’s true or not, though. I’ll find out next summer, I hope!
August 13th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
My mother refused to own a dryer her entire life, though it wasn’t about saving money - she hated what they did to clothes. To combat the crunchiness, however, she did use fabric softener. I don’t use softener now (don’t want the chemicals or the extra expense) but when I was in college I would love doing my laundry at home - it smelled like heaven!
August 13th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
JD, Out in India (equatorial country) as a rule we always air dry our clothes. You’ll see clothesline in many parts of the country (such a common sight). During my trips to Singapore too, I’ve observed people air-drying their clothes.
Reading your article, I truly feel that west is meeting the east, specially in matters relating to frugality and green behavior (which is in-built in Asian societies)
August 13th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
I switched to a clothesline last year as well. Your post motivated me to get out my electric bill- it was almost the same as yours! I went from 24 kWh/day to 18. I’m guessing your computer move is worth about 2.2 kWh/day.
August 13th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
JD, c’mon! I LOVE a good post about taxes! Let’s have it, straight away.
August 13th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I’m a line-drier too. Installed a great little laundry carousel mount, and just haul the carousel out there when I need it. Indoors in the basement in winter, which is just when we need the extra humidity in the air, too. How convenient!
Aside: Assuming you have a laser printer and you drink tea or coffee at the office… that could explain alot of the drop in power draw.
August 13th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
It’s funny that you raise this topic. I bought a rotary clothes line just about a month ago and admittedly it’s not been easy this rainy summer to use it as much as I’d hoped, but I am glad I did so because I do believe it is saving some money on our hydro bill. I agree too with Jeff that there is nothing like that fresh (non-chemical) smell on sheets and towels. In this day and age I not only want to save my money but also to save the planet and be as green as I can be in my own little corner of the world. Every little bit helps….
By the way, I’ve just come across your blog this week and have enjoyed reading the articles. There’s some great advice so thank you!
August 13th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Oh Yes…grew up with an outside clothes line and also one in the basement for rainy weather. Used one most of the time when I was first married, but once babies came along, (with cloth diapers) it sadly lost its charm and allure.
August 13th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
If you are really curious about how much energy your computer was using you could get one of these contraptions and find out for sure.
http://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4400-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU
August 13th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I moved to Brazil with my boyfriend last year, and clothes dryers here are few and far-between. It’s not because Brazilians are “greener” than Americans– it’s because the machines are expensive to buy and electricity is expensive, too.
Many people have argued that having a clothes dryer is a luxury, but I would also like to argue the “luxury” idea of having a clothes line. My boyfriend and I both work full-time, but luckily much of my work is done from home (I develop English textbooks).
Having a clothes line instead of a dryer is time-consuming, and I think it’s important to consider the cost of time, not just the cost of electricity. We have to plan ahead to find the day that we can wash our clothes and get them onto the lines, and then get them down from the lines.
With the variable tropical climate, we have to hope that the day we set aside for washing isn’t a day with monsoon rains or a sudden drop in temperature.
Since we live in an apartment, our line space is limited. We have to wash clothes, sheets, and towels over a 2-day period to make sure everything dries and doesn’t get a stinky, moldy smell.
But the biggest time consumption factor is ironing. I’m not sure how you two can have jobs with people and look professional with wrinkled clothes that result from not drying them, but we can’t. Originally, I ironed everything, but my boyfriend is a doctor and has to wear all white suits to the hospital every day, and it’s kind of unrealistic to spend 2-3 hours a week just ironing. So now we pay a maid to come once a week to iron all the clothes (common practice here in Brazil).
The point is, I’d much rather pay for a machine and save myself time, money, and social consciousness, but the cost of a dryer is cheaper than the maid for our definition of “long-term” (i.e., until we move back to the US).
I’m just sayin’!
August 13th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
When I lived in Dublin, using a clothes dryer was seen as a waste. It was almost taboo. You either line-dried or draped your clothes all over the house. The radiators were the most popular options. However, I never got used to the stiff clothes and the smell of the outdoors (I prefer the fake outdoor scent from the Bounce sheets), so as soon as I returned to North America, I had to hug my dryer. It didn’t hug me back, but I know deep down it missed me.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
I love to hang my clothes out, and especially the sheets! But what I especially love about putting clothes on a clothesline is SILENCE! Clotheslines don’t bump and thump and mumble, and best of all they don’t buzz at you when you’re in the middle of something else.
But it’s true: a few items are annoyingly stiff. Since I press my jeans, I happen to like that: natural starch, eh? But when it’s undesirable for a piece to be stiff, you can soften it up quickly by putting it in the dryer for a few minutes–no need to run it very long, and no need to use a heat setting. Once it’s dry on the line, just toss it in to thump around for five minutes or so, and it’ll feel just like it spent 40 minutes in there drying. Uses lots less energy but accomplishes the same effect.
We have a lot of people around here who think using a clothesline is lowbrow. If you’re in an HOA, forget hanging your stuff outside where anyone can catch even a tiny glimpse of it. Even in neighborhoods that are not HOAs, people sometimes will complain.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
My HOA won’t allow clotheslines. Which is deeply ironic, because they’re all a bunch of liberals smack dab in the capital of blue-state land, Los Angeles. Aren’t they all supposed to be the environmentally friendly activists? I vote differently politically, but would absolutely use an earth-friendly, energy-saving clothesline, if allowed. The irony slays me.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
I’m an American expat in Australia and concur with @John - many families in Oz don’t have dryers at all. Electricity is more expensive here and it does seem ridiculous to spend money to dry clothes on a dry sunny day. We have a dryer but use it only for “finishing” cotton stuff and towels to get the crunch out. I have a big drying rack that I set up over a heat vent if it is rainy and I have stuff I need to dry. Also, the labor (ahem, labour) involved in a load makes us much less likey to throw items in the hamper that are not yet truly dirty. My DD wears her school uniform a few times before it gets washed and jeans are not washed every time they’re worn, etc. It slays me that some places do not permit clotheslines … such craziness to prioritise aesthetics over reducing energy use!
August 13th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Half the world dries their clothes using clothes lines. Definitely the cheap and environmentally friendly way to go! Also, it saves the life of your dryer.
We using a clothesline in our basement to try all of our dress clothes. It works well.
Happy Friday Everyone!
Best,
RB
August 13th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
I have a dryer and a clothesline. I searched online and found a good retractable model that I can pull out only when needed so we don’t have lines strung across our small yard all the time. I use the line for things like sheets and jeans when it’s sunny, but still use the dryer for certain things too (don’t like crunchy socks and undies or displaying my underthings for the whole neighborhood to see). Can’t say I’ll ever get rid of the dryer, but it still feels good to have the option to go the free/ecological route sometimes. Just one more reason, I’m glad we don’t have an HOA in my neighborhood.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
I use a clothes line in the summer. I find that if I put clothes through and extra spin cycle, only the heavy stuff (towels and jeans) get crunchy. Those go in the dryer for 5 minutes on “air dry” to soften.
August 13th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Don’t just idly speculate, do the math. Randomly guessing isn’t likely to make you any smarter, get the facts.
You spent 8.3Kwh/day less this year compared to last year.
A typical clothes-dryer uses around 1500W for about an hour, or 1.5 Kwh to dry a load of clothes. It will use significantly more if your washing-machine is old and has poor spin — the only way to know for sure is to buy a kill-a-watt a simple device that plugs in between an appliance and the wall-socket, and accurately measures the energy-consumption. (a good idea to own anyway, because it can help you save a lot of money by telling you which of your appliances waste how much energy)
Anyway, saving 8.3Kwh only, or even mainly, by hanging clothes would require you to dry 4-5 loads less every day. I can’t imagine you do anything close to that much laundry, we’ve got 3 kids and we may do that much a *week*, but certainly not a day.
In short; your wife is wrong, she did not save 8.3 Kwh/day only, or even mainly, by hanging clothes. That certainly contributed, but there has to be other contributing factors too.
And your work-computer ain’t enough to explain a lot either. A typical work-computer may consume 200W and be powered for 50 hours a week, so removing it will save slightly over 1Kwh/day.
August 13th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
I can’t use a dryer, because (don’t ask me why) it makes the clothes give me eczema, even if I religiously clean the lint trap. I grew up with line-dried clothes. My parents have lines under a cover outside so that they can dry things in all weathers, and the clothes are always fresh and soft.
Unfortunately, I live in student halls at the moment, so I have to dry my washing on a clothes horse (like this one http://preview.tinyurl.com/mr4qjy). So you can dry even in a small apartment with no outdoor area - I can get a whole washing load on my clothes horse and I find that it all dries in 2-3 days. If I have the heating on, I put “urgent” items or smalls on the radiators to dry quickly.
Oh, and the key to minimising ironing is to give everything a really good shake before pegging it out or putting it on the clothes horse and not leaving it in the washing machine after the programme has finished. Think of it as trying to shake the creases out. It really works. I rarely need to iron anything other than dress shirts.
August 14th, 2009 at 12:35 am
RB, not 50% but more like 90% of the world population dries their clothes using clothes lines. Here in Europe is more or less the norm and I’m sure this is the case with the rest of the world as well (except for USA/Canada).
But I also think this is an cultural issue more than anything else. As much as we’re surprised and amused by the American “obsession” with driers, the Americans are probably surprised by our time-consuming, allergy- and crunch- inducing, method of drying clothes
When Trent at Simple Dollar posted a similar post last year, he got a record 428 comments on it;
http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/05/17/frugality-and-the-impression-of-poverty/
We’ll probably see something similar here. Long live the clothes lines!
August 14th, 2009 at 1:45 am
I would agree with Mark in that drying clothes outside is the norm in Europe. On wet days we even have a ‘clothes horse’ for use indoors - electric dryers are seen as the last resort if space or time does not permit hanging clothes to dry.
Incidentally, I saw a similar reduction in energy use when I moved to using energy saving light bulbs. The only downside was that these bulbs don’t seem quite as bright as their incandescent cousins.
August 14th, 2009 at 2:40 am
In the UK too, it is pretty rare for a family to have a drier. We dry most of our clothes indoors on clothes-horses. If we run out of space we use bannisters and radiators as well. I admit we have to buy fabric softener to stop the crunchiness on items like jeans but some brands go a long way.
As for the time it takes - I’ve lived with a dryer as well. If you have time to put in a load of washing and remove it when its done it doesn’t take prohibitively long to get it all on a clothes horse. Then you can go to work or sleep and it’ll dry. Sure you have to wait longer, but I don’t tend to wash all the clothes I own at once!
August 14th, 2009 at 3:00 am
I’ve always called them a drying rack. You can use them inside all year long.
We live in Poland but it seems like when I use the dryer, the socks get holes faster. I declared a moratorium on the dryer a couple of years ago except in the case of emergencies or company.
I’m an American and fail to understand the “uppityness” of our culture about letting clothes air dry. I don’t use a dryer because I don’t have to most of the time. People in the states generally have plenty of room to air dry things, even inside. The average American’s definition of “small” is probably about 1000 square feet. Here, the average apt. for a family is about 500 square feet or approx. 45-50 square meters. They manage to find room to air dry their stuff here in spite of the size. You do what you have to do.
August 14th, 2009 at 4:00 am
Ever since I read years ago that the clothes dryer is the 2nd largest energy consuming item in the home, second only to the furnace, I have been hanging the clothes to dry.
In the neighborhood where we live, clotheslines are not allowed. That’s not an issue for me, because I have always tumbled the clothes in the dryer for a few minutes to soften them, then hung them on the line in the basement or on hooks you can get that fit over closet doors or on the shower rod.
By the next day, they are completely dry and in the Winter it adds wonderful humidity to the air! It’s just another easy way to save money AND you help the environment!
August 14th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Our HOA prohibits clothes lines out side. I do have a small one in my laundry/mud room that I hang some stuff on. If I need to wash quilts or other large items I just pick a nice day and wash them then hang them on my back porch to dry. We are in the process of re-doing out back porch (making it a screened in porch and extending the deck so we still have an outdoor portion). After it is done I am going to try to find a way to put a small clothes line outside that can’t be seen from the front of the house (so hopefully no one will tattle on me to the HOA). I have a drying rack too that I think might become a semi-permanent fixture on the screened in porch.
Having said all this, when I told my husband that I wanted to put a clothes line outside he looked at me like I had lost my mind.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:25 am
I’ve been happy for years using an indoor rack or 2 plus a basement line for heavier items, like jeans (they get exactly 10 minutes in the dryer to get the crunchiness out). When I want that really lovely sunny smell on my sheets, I take the rack outside and hang the pillowcases and sheets over the rack, and it’s relly impressive how short of a time it takes to dry if it’s a sunny day.
When we lived in Europe, there was always a rack that folded in and out over our shower…we made use of the electricity discount and ranthe clothes after 11:00, and first thing in the morning (well, after our shower)I’d hang out a load and it would be dry by mid-aftrnoon.
I’d also like to say that I actually use everyday clothes hangers to hang up shirts, dresses, and a few other things and hang them up on the doorknobs around the bedrooms. They are always dry by the evening (if you hang them up in the morning). Not for everyone, I guess, but you have to not mind seeing your clothes about for a few days if you have more than yourself to do laundry for. I try to wash and dry all of my family’s clothes on Monday and Tuesday, and fold all of it and put away on Wednesday. I don’t do any laundry (except sheets and towels) on any other day.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:45 am
Our dryer died back in February and we were forced (because I am so cheap) to hang our clothes on drying racks and clothes lines.
http://www.frankbarrettsbrain.com/?p=3341
We’ve cut our electric bill in half!
August 14th, 2009 at 6:04 am
I don’t have a washer-dryer, but this summer since it’s been really hot I have been doing some of my washing by hand and hanging it out. I can’t do big things, though, since I’m using the bathroom sink and a drying rack rather than a clothesline. I always hand-wash my exercise clothes, since they’re synthetic and dry quickly and I don’t want to have to own a separate outfit for every day of the week.
I think for a single person it’s really a lot more efficient to use the laundromat than to have several hundred dollars worth of appliances taking up space for a few hours’ use each week. Since I have limited time, it’s also convenient to be able to do several loads of laundry at once (and commercial machines generally have shorter cycles, especially for front-loading machines).
August 14th, 2009 at 6:34 am
To be fair, J.D. is not saving any money on his electricity bill by using his computer elsewhere - he simply moved his energy usage from one location to another. I would even argue that the extra office space takes up a considerably larger amount of total energy than if he had stayed at home.
Even if he explicitely does not pay the energy bill in his new office, these costs are included and therefore a factor in his rent amount.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Ann & JD - I have a feeling the same thing would happen in our neighborhood. Our subdivision has a “rule” against hanging clothes outside to dry. BOOOO!
I think I might try it anyway and play dumb…after all we just moved in 3 weeks ago.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:52 am
My experience about ironing is exactly opposite to Danielle’s (#26). I find that line dried clothing is easier and faster to iron than tumble dried items. I used to have to spray the dried shirts with starch in order to iron out all the wrinkles. Now they come in from the line crisp and just need a touch up from a steamy iron.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:27 am
It would probably be frowned upon by my HOA overlords, but I’m really tempted to give this a try.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Others may have addressed this, but to get some of the crunchiness out of the clothes - first dry them briefly in the dryer with a dryer sheet. Then take them out and line dry. It helps with crispies and with static. I do a lot of indoor line drying on a rack. You’ll have a little bit of a dryer bill, but not quite as high.
I don’t do a lot of laundry, but I expect that to pick up if we have a kid or two. I’m thinking of putting a retractable line on my deck. That should make it fairly unnoticeable to my neighbors and would quickly hide out of reach if we want to use our deck. It would also be very easy to install - connect to a pole on one side and screw in a hook on the other pole you want it to connect to. That’s home improvement I can handle!
August 14th, 2009 at 8:10 am
I like how you suggest to use that saved money on French cuisine! What a perfect idea; the more because it’s a clothesline country. I suggest visiting the countryside: you’ll probably find a lot of GRS-inspiration out there.
(Pardon me english…)
August 14th, 2009 at 8:19 am
I’m tickled that you followed some of our advice and read Little Heathens, J.D. I smile just thinking about that book. I live in a subdivision with a HOA rule against clotheslines. It rather amuses/irks me since my neighbor can hang ugly rugs all over her back deck for months at a time and that’s just fine. And, I have a love/hate relationship with my dryer. I use it most of the time, but also have large drying racks. They are really great in the winter when we are using our woodstove. Another great option is just to take the clothes out of dryer after a few minutes and hang on plastic hangers to dry. I have a large-gauge, coated bicycle chain hanging freely from a hook in my laundry room (in the vertical position). Inserting a hanger in each link, I can hang many shirts/blouses up at once.
Have you had a discussion on whether computers should be left on all the time or not? There’s definitely cost savings in turning them off once a day and I’ve read that rebooting daily clears out a lot of crap. I turn mine off when I go to bed, unplug my modem, etc. My laptop tends to get too hot too quickly, so giving it a break helps in that regard as well. I keep my printer unplugged unless, obviously, I am using it, which is not often.
Shirley
August 14th, 2009 at 8:36 am
When I was growing up it was common to hang laundry outside to dry. I still remember how the clothes smelled fresh in a way they don’t coming out of a dryer. It was one of the simple pleasures I took for granted.
Today, in some neighborhoods, you’re prohibited from doing that. It seems some people in certain neighborhood associations feel that hanging laundry is a detriment to property values.
I think people had clearer heads way back when. Maybe it was the fresh air dried laundry.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:38 am
I am begging you to post the tax post J.D. I saw the original thread of discussion on Trent’s site and it looks like it will be marvelous. At least post it to the forum if nothing else.
Clotheslines are illegal in my neighborhood under the covenant btw. >_>
August 14th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Growing up, one of my chores was to hang out & collect the washing and I loved it. There were seasons when we couldn’t just because of weather, but as soon as it warmed up we never used the dryer. My grandmother also had a wall mounted drying rack near the wood stove that she used throughout the year.
I’m surprised to hear that clothes lines are sometimes associated with lower class living. Is it that people think of those photos of tenement living from the turn of the century? In my mind, it takes me back to rural landscapes and big back yards.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:41 am
I’m a clothesline-drier, too. I have 2 clotheslines–one outside under my back porch for warmer weather; and one inside in my basement close to my furnace for the colder months. To reduce the crunchiness of clothing, try adding a cup of white vinegar to the rinse cycle. An additional benefit to line-drying clothes is your clothes will last longer.
I live in a blue-collar, big-city neighborhood. Almost all the rowhouses here have clothes lines in the backyard. And a lot of people still use them. I love walking through the alleys of my neighborhood and seeing laundry flapping in the breeze!
August 14th, 2009 at 9:05 am
I have a clothes line. It is oddly satisfying!
August 14th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I knew dryer at my home was the second biggest energy user after my AC and tried line drying. It worked for a grand total of 2 times before I was served a notice by my county authorities due to a neighbor’s complaint. I just wish more folks realize and adopt this easy way to reduce the utility bill and also be “green”.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Currently we live in a community that doesn’t allow clotheslines! I’m trying to figure out a way around it.
We lived in Alaska from 1967-69 while my dad was stationed at Elmendorf AFB. My mom did not have dryer, so she hung all Dad’s fatigues out on the line, even in the dead of winter! I remember those pants coming off the line frozen dry, so stiff we could stand them up!
Ditto on the pleasures of sun- and wind-dried clothes, towels and sheets. I like my towels not too soft, so really miss that wonderful smell!
August 14th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I’m curious as to why people buy houses in neighborhoods that outlaw clotheslines. It only perpetuates the close mindedness. We could have bought a house down the street in the newer subdivision w/HOA, but didn’t even bother looking there. Too stifling.
A tip for hanging unmentionables outdoors: hide them in the center lines if you have a multi-lined clothesline. I’ve got oodles of underpants hanging outside right now, not visible to anyone, all that can be seen is t-shirts and towels.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:33 am
JD, I’d like to see the post about taxes! Do share.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Another option is to get energy efficient front loading washing machine. We have one of those and it “wrings out” the clothes so well we the dryer dries the clothes in short order. Some items are still air dried. Except for months where we use the air conditioner our electricity bill is around $40 a month so dryer use doesn’t seem to be impacting our electricity too much.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Deb (60)–Where I live HOA neighorhoods are more common than non-HOA ones, and the restrictions can get as weird and life-restricting as you can imagine.
Some don’t allow kids toys to be stored outside the house, one that I know of doesn’t allow cars to be parked in driveways overnight (MUST be garaged). And yes, some have language in the covenants that specifically prohibit hanging clothes out to dry!
It’s property values over people.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:01 am
First off, I would also like to mention that I miss reading your posts!
It is ironic that you write about this, because I received my electric bill two days ago online. Our consumption is the lowest it’s been since we moved in 2 years ago! I also attributed it to the fact that I’ve been hanging at least 2 loads of laundry on the line every week.
Hubby and I used to do our own laundry because he had dirty factory work clothes and I had things that needed dry-cleaned (I dont use a dry cleaner - I wash in cold water and line-dry). Well, I took over all of the laundry just so that I could hang them on the line, and it has saved us $25 this past month!
The only thing hubby complains about is that there is a scent when they are line-dried. I use fabric softener in the wash, so they come out smelling great, but then when it dries on a really hot day, they smell kind of burnt and lose the softener scent. Does anyone else have this problem? Again, this is only on really hot days (for instance - last weekend it was 98 when I was line-drying them). We have no problem with the clothes being stiff.
Anyone know how I can get rid of the burnt smell?
~M
August 14th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I’m in England, where it’s always raining, yet most people manage to air dry their clothes without a problem. Many people here grew up with one of these retractable dryers over the bath http://www.amazon.com/Whitney-15-7-Outdoor-Retractable-Clothes/dp/B0000BYDEA which are a space saver and keep the laundry out of the way.
Another great convenience are the high spin speeds of the front load washers here. Even better are the spin dryers, http://www.spindryers.com/ which I have never seen in the USA, but manage to wring practically every last bit of dampness out of your clothes.
Almost every house in the UK has an “airing cupboard” consisting of a small closet with wooden slatted shelves above the hot water tank, where towels and linens are placed in order to get the last bit of damp out of them for storage.
However, since moving to the UK and getting used to air drying, the best thing I’ve noticed is that I don’t have to buy so many clothes, because now they stay like new! Elastic waistbands stay springy, cottons don’t shrink and man-made fibers keep their shape when you kick the dryer habit. A big savings.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:02 am
@ Mark (#4): I’m in Seattle and I use a clothesline. I do it inside, near an open window or fan so there’s some wind.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:29 am
JD, if you’re not a fan of crunchy clothes, you could throw them in the dryer on the “fluff” or “no heat” setting for 5-10 minutes to soften them up some.
August 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I hate crunchy towels. I too, live in the Portland, Oregon metro area, and have a laundry room in my basement. A couple of years ago I installed a wire shelf up high for storage. I hang most of our wet clothes on plastic hangers from the wire shelf, all year long. Towels go in the dryer, though. Sorry!
August 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
This has been one of the better articles lately. Thanks.
August 14th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Call me the biggest nerd, but I for one find hanging laundry on the line relaxing. It’s the only act of housekeep that I actually don’t mind.
Agreed everyone hates crunchy towels, jeans that stand up by themselves, etc… Just put them in the dryer for 5 minutes to soften them up. You will still achieve significant energy savings.
August 14th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
JD - I’ve been trying to figure out what is missing from your assistant blogger tryouts and I think I have it.
Your blog is about personal finance but when you write it is about personal finance for a reason. Money, financial independence, all of that stuff only matters if you are saving, being frugal for a reason. Your guest posters write clearly, have good ideas of subjects, and have their facts straight but whoever you pick will need to put all of that into a personal context to keep us interested. Why did the one poster want to get ahead so bad that he went into enormous debt? What gave him that kind of drive? Why save on children’s activities? Did the poster decide to give up a job to be home with her kids so money is tight? Is she wanting to save for their college since she wasn’t able to go? Can she give us an example where the kids enjoyed their free activities more than more expensive ones? And so on with the other posters.
You could have witten this post just about the economics of hanging out your clothes but you included a quote about the smell of freshly hung sheets, a picture that gives the feel of the color of clothes hanging on the line. And finally you tell us what you are going to do with that saved money.
Any of these potential assistants will do a good job but I’d advise you to coach whoever is picked on how to add context to their articles.
August 14th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I always wondered about this; reading posts (on other PF forums) where people mentioned line drying as “frugal action of the day”.
I never really understood how ingrained the use of a dryer is in the US culture.
Here in Norway, the main way to dry clothes is on a line or rack.
I don’t even own a dryer, though I could easily afford one.
But I find it to be less time-consuming to hang them to dry, and it’s FREE.
I usually put them on an indoor rack, but when weather permits I take them outside.
Banning clothes lines over here ain’t gonna happen
I bet even our king and queen and prime minister have lines with their unmentionables hanging to dry.
Air drying is free and simple!
August 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I don’t use a clothesline, per se. Nowhere to hang it, but I got a few tension fit shower curtian rods and made my bathroom dryer central. I do have to be careful or it can get musty in there, but that’s nothing 5 minutes with a portable fan can’t fix.
As a side benefit, my hubby’s work shirts are so much easier to iron.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
HOW do people do this? I take clothes outside and in ten seconds flat they’re covered in bird sh*t.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
I grew up in sunny San Diego, CA, where my family regularly dries our clothes on a clothesline. I live in MA now and in an apartment so I can’t do this anymore, but if I move back to SD, I will definitely go back to line drying. You do save a lot on electricity and it is great exercise. The clothes do get crunchy though and your darks fade faster, so there are some tradeoffs.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Well said #70 Chris.
There has been something missing and you have nailed it. I wouldn’t hire any of those writers just yet.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I just bought a house that has a clothesline pole - no actual clothesline. Until I can get clothesline put up, I’m calling it my stripper pole.
I just love the smell of sheets that have been hung out to dry.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
I agree with #70 but not with #75.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
I am impressed that clothes line drying and taking out a computer can make your electric bill cheaper. Was this a laptop computer or a desktop?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Uhm, hanging laundry is time consuming? It takes 10 minutes!
I won’t ever get what the trouble is. You use softener and your clothes don’t get stiff. I guess Americans are spoiled… you even want toilet paper to be extra extra soft.
August 15th, 2009 at 8:44 am
To those USAmericans living in home-owner associations that forbid outdoor clotheslines, now is a good time to get that rule changed. You are not helpless against the rules of your HOA. Rules can be changed. Go for it now while people are more conscious about money saving and energy saving. Beyond that, I believe all houses in an HOA would be big enough to find space for indoor drying. My house is 980 sq ft and it is not trouble to find space.
August 15th, 2009 at 9:22 am
@Don #16: Allergies are no excuse, brother! I have Allergies from Hades (positive for 36 of the 40 most common allergens at my last test) and I dry inside. It’s utterly doable, with no free passes for us snifflers.
August 15th, 2009 at 9:28 am
@KC #74: Your darks don’t fade if you dry ‘em inside. Line-drying is much better for your clothes than dryer-drying them (what do you think lint is? Little bits of your clothes!), so drying darks indoors is the best option of all.
As for crunchiness? I adjusted after the first load, and now I like knowing that my clothes aren’t disintegrating in the dryer, aren’t shrinking, aren’t losing elasticity, etc. I hang my JEANS to dry, for heaven’s sake, and I only noticed a difference for the first washing. You can make softness your god and “crunchiness” your enemy, but you’re not wearing clothes made of canvas and burlap, so how bad can the “crunchy” be? You can get used to a lot of tiny changes, and this is one with a big impact, both financially and environmentally. Clothes dryers are silly and wasteful, and it’s high time we stopped being such wasteful prisses.
August 15th, 2009 at 9:57 am
A couple of people have mentioned hanging a clothesline in the house or the basement. I think we’ll have to give that a try.
Is it as effective as hanging them outside???
August 15th, 2009 at 11:42 am
@Kevin #83: Takes a little longer to dry, but you don’t have to check the weather reports, so it evens out. I hang everything inside, just for convenience and to avoid outdoor allergens. (For those worried about homeowners’ associations, it’s a great option — they can’t tell you what to do inside your home.)
People tend to throw up (emotional?) roadblocks about lack of space, either out of resistance to change or an unwillingness to sacrifice the (IMO, largely perceived) convenience of a dryer, but my home is not a large one, and clothes dryers are an anomaly in Europe, where dwellings tend to be significantly smaller than the U.S. average. It takes a little thought in smaller spaces, but people have been doing just fine for centuries, and I think there’s something telling in Europeans’ “um, why do you waste money on a dryer when you can just hang your clothes — are we missing something?”
A clothes dryer is the third largest electricity-sucking appliance, and it’s an easy one to get rid of. Hanging clothes, like anything else, becomes second nature, and it’s really not a hassle. I’ll never go back to my dryer, which I expect to last me a REALLY long time since I use it about twice a year now (for guest linens). I’ve actually taken to storing my cleaning rags in it (hey, it’s wasted space!).
One caveat is this: large families need a more carefully thought-out plan, but can probably get pretty far with doing as I do: I stagger my loads, and just don’t have a dedicated “laundry day.” But I don’t know many parents of big families who knock everything out in a shot — it tends to be an ongoing thing, where you put a load in here and there as needed. And if you dry outside, which is faster, you can condense loads more.
I tend to toss a load in before bed and hang it sometime the next day, and I feel like laundry’s less of a chore now — I’m not a slave to the dryer buzzer and the folding, they fit into MY rhythms. I used to hate doing laundry, and avoided it whenever possible. Now, I do it in bits here and there, when I’m in the mood, and I really don’t mind doing it anymore. YMMV, of course, but I’d encourage even the reluctant to give it a shot — you can always go back if you feel that strongly about your dryer. And for the non-allergic among us, drying outdoors also comes with fresh air and sunshine, which are great mood-lifters.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Now if only I could teach you to hang out your clothes properly.
In Jamaica, there is nothing like a line of freshly washed clothes neatly put out on a line. They smell great and with a little fabric softener, aren’t crunchy. Very few people here own dryers and there is no way a complex could tell us not to have a clothes line.
August 15th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
The timing on this article was great! I just replaced the lines and a post for my clothes lines.
I must agree with many other commenters - I really enjoy the clean, crisp sheet smell!
August 16th, 2009 at 7:56 am
I find reducing the amount of detergent I use with my laundry and adding white vinegar to the load reduces the crunchiness a lot. Also, the best way to keep your dark clothes from fading is to turn them inside out prior to washing them - regardless of how they are dried. Since I have started doing this I have doubled the lifespan of my black work pants.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Marie (#73) - I don’t know what to tell you. I’ve been hanging laundry for about 10 years and I’ve never had bird poop on it. Lots of birds in my neighborhood and yard (my dog does bark at them but they still visit my trees) but they leave the laundry alone. My sister has chickens and they sometimes try to roost on the clothes lines and cause a mess, but she just coops them now when she’s drying laundry and has no problems, either. Maybe it’s time to try again?
And I’d just like to second the suggestion that if you’re hampered by an HOA it’s time to try to change the rules. You might not succeed, but at least you’ll get people thinking about it.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:19 am
How about gas dryers? We moved houses and changed from an electric to gas dryer and have been really happy with it. Gas dryers are more simple (mechanically) than electrics and tend to have a longer lifespan. It’s hard to say for sure, since we transitioned from electric to gas when we moved, but I suspect (and what I can recall from reading online) that they are much cost effective in terms of energy use.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I agree with the other australians; dryers are really uncommon here and considered very wasteful. I don’t think of the cost but the environmental factor. Even apartment buildings will have shared lines for residents use (though strangely my building does not and I have gotten sucked into using the dryer way more than I should).
Clothes also last much longer when you air dry them and I think it makes them (towels and sheets especially) seem extra clean when they’ve spent time in the sun.
Also in most buildings I’ve lived in people would bring in other residents laundry if it was about to rain and that was always a much appreciated gesture that helped build good relations with the neighbours (especially since a sunny day can easily turn into a torrential downpour that leaves your clothes so soaked you have to run them through the spin cycle again).
August 17th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Our HOA does not allow clotheslines. And frankly, I’m glad of it … we live in a nice neighborhood, and that would look, well, tacky. Unfortunately, many people cannot be trusted to actually remove the clothes they are drying outside in a timely manner.
I bought a super-efficient washer and dryer last year. They are LGs. I saw both my electric and water bills drop. Plus, I pull most of our cotton and cotton-blend clothes out of the dryer while still damp, to save the fabrics. I hang them on a spare rod in the garage, where they dry quickly. I’m sure that helps minimize the electricity usage.
I’m very frugal in many areas … but not this one. Crispy clothes do not sound appealing.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Savings sometimes come in unusual ways . . . the other benefit of hanging clothes is the fresh smell.
August 18th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I was shocked by how much our bill went up when we got a dryer! We actually dry most of ours on a series of racks inside, because good clothes-drying days in New England are rare, but it definitely works, even in the winter.
The biggest downside for us was the need to plan ahead and do each load of laundry as it was ready, because we could only hang 1-2 loads a time. Also, I think if you had kids (who sometimes go through extremely messy periods, like with the stomach flu), it might be worthwhile to have a dryer available, even if you rarely used it! We got ours for free from a friend, and it’s definitely nice once in a while.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:16 am
@Lesley #91:
“Our HOA does not allow clotheslines. And frankly, I’m glad of it … we live in a nice neighborhood, and that would look, well, tacky. Unfortunately, many people cannot be trusted to actually remove the clothes they are drying outside in a timely manner.”
There was a time that it wasn’t considered tacky — sensibilities have just shifted with the times. You’ll find that many (most, I’d say) clothesline-dryers enjoy the sight of clothes on the line, fluttering in the breeze. Yes, some people might leave their clothes out longer than you’d like, but where’s the actual harm? It sounds like you’re just being a bit of a snob, honestly. Clotheslines used to be all people had, and it didn’t do anything to property values….
“I bought a super-efficient washer and dryer last year. They are LGs. I saw both my electric and water bills drop. Plus, I pull most of our cotton and cotton-blend clothes out of the dryer while still damp, to save the fabrics. I hang them on a spare rod in the garage, where they dry quickly. I’m sure that helps minimize the electricity usage.”
A super-efficient energy hog is still an energy hog — washers and dryers are behind only refrigerators on the list of energy-suckers. Reducing your dryer’s energy usage is all well and good, but when the alternative is eliminating it? You’re still being wasteful.
“I’m very frugal in many areas … but not this one. Crispy clothes do not sound appealing.”
Have you ever tried line-drying? It sounds as though you haven’t (”crispy,” “do not *sound* appealing”). You can’t really make a comparison, now can you? I line-dry my jeans, even, and I only noticed a difference in the first wearing. I think people who don’t line-dry make a big deal out of the “crispy” to justify being wasteful. You’ll notice that the line-dryers don’t think the “crispy” is particularly noticeable — because it truly isn’t. It’s a little different, yes, but so is switching to a different brand of sandwich bread, and people generally don’t find that a hardship. We don’t like change, but we get used to all sorts of little changes, and this is one with a big fat benefit associated.
People make way too much of the “crispy,” and are a) missing out on sunshine, energy savings, and longer life for their clothes, and b) needlessly wasting resources that belong to us all.
August 26th, 2009 at 2:19 am
I’ve seen a couple other people mention using hangers and that is what I wanted to comment about.
About a year ago, I decided to stop using the dryer. I picked two places in the house to hang clothes at. One is an enclosed back porch, and the other is in my (now spare) bedroom along one wall.
I started first with a steel cable rope and two heavy hooks set in the wall. This became my “clothesline”. Now, when the washer finishes, I put my clothes immediately on hangers and onto the lines. I can hang 2-3 loads on my two lines (say a total of 20′ of line between them) and the clothes dry inside in about 24-32 hours. Often, I just leave the clothes on the hangers. I pull them off when I need them. Other times, I just grab all the shirts (already on hangers) and cram them into the closet.
Jeans can be draped over a hanger. Small items such as underwear and socks and can be clothes-pinned onto a hanger. If you have a lot of socks, you can drape a sock on the line in between each hanger.
One person above mentioned using a heavy duty chain and putting the hangers in between the links. That sounds even better than my solution as the cable still will inevitably droop (causing hangers to slid towards the center) until I tighten it up again.
August 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Too avoid stiff and crunchy you really need to give everything a good shake and snap. It even helps with the towels. I never have a wrinkle in any of our clothes and they are not crunchy. Different from the dryer, but they all look like they were ironed.
People need to get over their “nice neighborhoods” and what “tacky” supposedly is. There is more to life. All of my appliances are energy efficient, and I still line dry, as tacky as that may be.
September 9th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
JD- Tell Kris if she puts a cup of cider vinegar in the rinse cycle, the crunch in the clothes is gone. It’s a natural softener. Cheap and no chemicals! There is no smell after, either. I love to line dry clothes and I live in the desert, so it’s convenient.
September 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
@#97 TWoP Fan: It also works with white vinegar, and smells less funky when you’re putting it in. I’ve not tried cider vinegar, but it smells worse, to me, than regular vinegar.
In any event, honestly? I’ve tried using vinegar as softener, and it just didn’t make enough of a difference to warrant it — I think the important thing is to make the minor adjustment to less-floppy clothes, and you can avoid ALL additives (which all cost money and resources).
People need to actually give it a shot — sure, “crunchy” and “stiff” SOUND scary, but once you actually try line-drying, you realize that they’re just the easiest words to describe the difference, not an indication that line-dried clothes can, like, stand up on their own, or be used to hammer nails, or something. Try it, then if you still can’t handle the MINOR (and it really is) stiffness, go back to the dryer, but it drives me INSANE when people make up their minds based on…nothing. It’s like deciding a different brand of ketchup is no good when you’ve never tried any brand but yours. Different, cheaper, more environmentally-responsible ketchup could also taste better — you can’t possibly know until you try. For a site called Get Rich Slowly, what better experiment? I know for a fact that my clothes last a LOT longer since I quit dryer-drying them.
September 24th, 2009 at 8:09 am
It’s unfortunate that people got out of the habit of using clotheslines. They save so much energy, and it is kind of peaceful to hang the clothes.
Rainy days and winter make outdoor drying difficult, but people can air dry their clothes by using a wooden laundry drying rack like this one. Being round it works really nice under a ceiling fan!
September 25th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
It’s been said earlier but here in Australia clotheslines are the rule rather than the exception. I don’t own a drier and don’t really have any desire for one. I enjoy hanging the clothes out in the sunshine (which admittedly we have for all but a week or two a year) and in summer things like thick towels will dry in a matter of minutes. I don’t find my clothes get stiff at all - if your washer has a proper spin cycle then this shouldn’t be a problem.
Also, line drying clothes is better for them (makes them last longer) and drying in the sun also makes your whites whiter (my sheets are blindingly white) as it acts as a natural bleach.