This is a guest post from Robert Brokamp of The Motley Fool. Robert is a Certified Financial Planner and the advisor for The Motley Fool’s Rule Your Retirement service. He contributes one new article to Get Rich Slowly every two weeks. (And note that this post is much less controversial than yesterday’s!)
Let’s face it: Most of us weren’t born eager to delay gratification, invest in IRAs, diversify our assets, and give a hoot about personal finances whatsoever. If you told me back in high school that I was going to be a financial writer, I would have laughed with gusto and perhaps a little dread. (I get the same reaction nowadays when I tell people that back in high school, I wanted to be a priest.)
However, something happened to you, and you decided to take control. Otherwise, why would you be reading this website (other than a weird obsession with turtle logos)?
For me, it was being a teacher making $20,000 a year while living in Washington, D.C. (No, this wasn’t the 1970s, but the mid-1990s.) And I knew I had to be smart with every penny. I checked out books like Personal Finance for Dummies from the library, and a whole new world opened up. I asked myself again and again, “Why didn’t anyone teach me this stuff?!”
So that’s my story. What’s yours? What got you to change? I’m really curious, because I think identifying those motivators/triggers/kick-in-the-butters (whatever you want to call them) is key to getting more people to take their personal finances seriously.
Not that I don’t have some ideas. Last year, we solicited ideas from the readers of our Rule Your Retirement service. Several of their responses are below, grouped according to a general principle behind their transformations. (As is Motley Fool custom, I’ve used their discussion board nicknames rather than their real names.) See if you don’t recognize yourself in some of their stories.
Contemplation
Sometimes just thinking about the future will get someone to change. That’s what happened to RnRretirerican. She wrote:
One day you’re hurtling along the madness that is the everyday, and something happens that makes you slow down a little — read the fine print, breathe deeply, and wonder about it all. For me, it was the realization that although being a parent is my proudest achievement to date, one day it will be just my husband and me at home. We had spent years … ensuring that the futures of our children would be bright, but what about our future?
So RnRretirerican began educating herself about investing. Her husband had handled most of the investment decisions up until then, but a demanding job limited his time. The result: “I decided that I could help do the investigating and that together … we could make our retirement stellar, rather than stale.”
Pain or Despair
Unfortunately, a really bad experience is perhaps the number one reason people change course. Often that experience involves a “financial advisor” who is really just a salesperson. Fool reader Scottyzee wrote: “We decided to put our money in the hands of professionals. … This leading brokerage firm lost it all. … Now I do my own research and make my own decisions and sleep a little better at night.”
Even hiring friends doesn’t always work out, as pepperidgetrln found out. She was “panicked” about what to do with an old 401(k). A friend’s husband offered to help.
“I figured he really must be doing me a favor as he was used to dealing with much larger accounts,” she wrote. “So, I invested in whatever he recommended and was grateful for what I considered the ‘free’ advice.” Of course, the advice wasn’t really free — the costs were just buried. “The mutual funds he recommended were all high-fee, actively managed funds with loads. I think some even charged 12b-1 fees!” (A 12b-1 fee is an annual marketing fee added to the cost of owning a mutual fund.)
Of course, pepperidgeltrln was probably correct in assuming that her advisor friend was used to dealing with large accounts; many advisors require high minimum investments. F4Phanatic’s advisor required at least $80,000. He decided to hire the advisor, but also manage some of the money himself. “My financial advisor is still the same guy,” he writes. “I rub it in about how I’m beating his performance.”
Not that getting a financial advisor is a bad thing. Just make sure you get the right one. Start by checking out the Garrett Planning Network, an international group of fee-only planners.
Belief That Change Is Possible
Reader smoothk came to The Motley Fool a decade ago, ready and raring to buy stocks. But after reading the personal finance area of the site, he realized he first had to eliminate his tens of thousands of dollars in credit card debt. “It was then that I became dedicated — no, committed — to eliminating my debt and never getting in debt again,” he wrote. “That was my one and only financial goal.”
He and his wife are now debt-free except for a mortgage, their cars are paid for, they’ve opened college savings accounts for their kids, and smoothk is contributing 6% to his 401(k). “It has taken us about 10 years to reach this point. Actually, that’s far less than originally planned because every bit of extra money we could muster to pay off that debt load was used! We are so glad we did!”
Dedication to Action
For Darwood11, the painful event that prompted his turnaround was a divorce. “Nearly broke and facing bankruptcy,” he writes, “I started over.” He began his self-education by reading all he could about retirement planning, then inputting his numbers in worksheets and financial calculators.
“It had taken me about 35 years to get to that place in my circuitous financial planning journey,” he wrote. “However, something reached critical mass and within two years I had created and implemented a completely new plan that incorporated better funds, substantially better asset allocation, some dividend-paying stocks, an emergency fund, and a CD ladder.”
What About You?
So go ahead. Tell your story in the “comments” box below, and give us your theory on what would get more people to get their acts together. I’ll summarize the results in my next GRS missive.
This article is about Ask the Readers, Planning, Psychology, Real-Life, Retirement Thursday, 20th August 2009 (by J.D. Roth)


RSS Feeds
Facebook
GRS Twitter




August 20th, 2009 at 5:20 am
If you’re only talking in a financial sense, for me there was a “rock bottom” moment. For years I’d kept just enough of a handle on my finances that I felt in control, despite the fact that I was stupidly carrying cc debt. But one day I made a mistake in calculating my balance, and hit my limit. The card was denied, and I felt mortified. Pretty much all the positive changes that I’ve made, from working to eliminate the debt to educating myself by reading PF blogs traces back to that moment.
But in other aspects of my life, I’ve made major changes after simply feeling a dissatisfaction for a while. For example, I’d always naturally been in good shape without a whole lot of effort. After I had my son, I lost most of the pregnancy weight, and people said I looked wonderful, but I just wasn’t happy with the state of my body. So I eventually just started working out to get back in shape and increase my endurance. There was never a shocking “OMG! How could I let this get so bad moment”, but more of a “Hmm, if things are at this level right now with no effort, I wonder how good they’d get with a little bit more?”
August 20th, 2009 at 5:33 am
For me, my light-bulb moment was the second day on my very first job as a lawyer. I despised everything about it and knew I had to find a way to get out. I was only 24, but I soon learned enough to use that big salary to max out all my retirement accounts, save an extra 30% on top of that, and pay off my student loans in 5 years. I’m in good shape to cut the cord soon, and I’m thrilled that I learned about personal finance so early.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:40 am
My moment came while reading Total Money Makeover. I was serving in the military making barely any money with a c.c. balance and large car payment. I poured through that book in a day and started on our journey to debt freedom. Except for the mortgage, we have been debt free for two years and loving every minute of it.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:44 am
To be honest, I just kinda fell into the whole finance thing, never really thinking too much about it… And now I’m a Finance major, looking to become a CFP myself.
I would have never, ever thought it was something I would do, let alone enjoy… But the planning and the goal setting, and the eventual sense of accomplishment and achievement, have become so ingrained in me that I’d love to help other people live their dreams too! While I’m not *entirely* living my dream life, we do have a wonderful project car we wouldn’t have been able to take on had we not had our financial house in order.
I started reading tons of finance articles, financial blogs and started my own PF blog to help motivate me to kick $5k worth of consumer debt. Other than student loans and an itty bitty car note to build credit, we’re free from debt woes. (Loans are necessary in my case, and the car loan is to build credit. I’m 21 years old and need it!)
So really, I never had one, “Aha!” moment about it all. It was more of a “Hmmmm, if they can do it, I bet I can too.” Not only did we pay off our consumer debt, but I managed to pay cash for the Mac Book I bought roughly six months after I started my own little financial path. While I don’t blog about finances all the time anymore, I do get to blog about my passion without so much fretting over the dollars and cents of everything.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:53 am
For me, it was meeting the woman of my dreams and getting married. With that came the responsibility of providing for her - it wasn’t just MY needs, but hers too.
The thought of putting her future in jeopardy due to my lack of planning and thought was too much, so I made a plan to educate myself.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:54 am
I was in the same boat as Cara above. I was working a job that paid well out of school but didn’t particularly enjoy it. I was lured by the prospect of a fat investment account, thinking that would throw off extra cash (I hadn’t yet learned of tax incentives). I also figured that since I had read some stuff online about how to invest I was invincible. I sagely invested my first chunk of money in 2006 when the market began the eventual slide down to the bottom. As I saw my money slip away I realized I better learn some new stuff fast. I hit up my local library and found all of the classics on investing. From there it was only a matter of time to realize that if I spent less, I could save more. I continued on to personal finance and eventually GRS. I’m not there yet, but I’m on my way to improving my finances to where I would like them to be. And it’s the journey that counts.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:10 am
“Not that getting a financial advisor is a bad thing. Just make sure you get the right one. Start by checking out the Garrett Planning Network, an international group of fee-only planners.”
Whoa whoa whoa, hang on a second here. You are doing a MAJOR disservice to your readers by blurring the line between “financial advisor” and “financial planner.” They are two COMPLETELY different things, yet in this sentence, you imply that they’re the same. They most definitely are not.
A “financial advisor” is the friendly guy who will meet with you for free, in your own home, whenever it’s convenient for you, including evenings and weekends. He doesn’t charge you anything, and “helps” you make sure you pick the right mutual funds (limited, of course, to those offered by his company). He also “helps” you make sure you have adequate life insurance, disability insurance, long term care insurance, critical illness insurance, and whatever other overpriced, fee-laden garbage he can sell you. They are NOT helping you. They make their money by selling you mutual funds and insurance that are heavily laden with expensive fees, but it’s not in YOUR best interest. Thus, they operate in a perpetual conflict of interest.
A “financial planner,” on the other hand, is an actual certified, regulated professional with a real office. You meet with them during regular business hours, and they charge you an hourly fee. They don’t make any commission or kickbacks from any of the products they recommend to you, and in fact often, you CAN’T buy funds and insurance through them. They simply tell you what you SHOULD buy, then it’s up to you to go and buy it from a reputable third-party (Vanguard, Fidelity, whoever). They make their money solely from the hourly fee you pay them. Thus, there is no conflict of interest.
They are definitely NOT the same.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Honestly? I don’t know.
I guess I’m luckier than a lot of people here - my parents instilled me with a lot of sound financial sense and it actually stuck. I think a lot of it comes from having a lot of responsibility at an early age (I was helping to run the house for months at a time at age seven when my mother was stuck in hospital with my severely ill bro).
I also think that it’s my stubborn streak though. I know that my parents could (and would) help me out if I got into money trouble. But I know that if I did, it would be my own stupid fault, because I should know better, because they’ve taught me how not to get into debt. So I’m frugal, and careful, and take great pride in telling my father that yes, my finances are Just Fine thanks
Although, of course, I could always save more…
August 20th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Divorce. Lost all my money and stuff and got custody of three kids (complicated story). Luckily I have always been averse to debt unless it’s a matter of survival (couldn’t say the same for former spouse), and I had a decent-paying job with benefits. I had to learn a lot and learn it fast to get back on my feet. It took a few years, but it was worth the struggle, and now things just keep getting better.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:13 am
I third Cara’s post. Throughout university, I had some money from an inheritance that got me through my studies. Then I graduated into a 60+ hours job (also as a lawyer). Even though it came with a very good salary, I realized that I would have to work very hard for that salary, and that the days of sleeping in on a weekday, scheduling lectures to have a long weekend, etc. were over. I read everything on personal finance I could find, from the Millionaire Next Door, Your Money or Your Life, the Tightwad Gazette, and this blog and made sure to save as much money as I possibly could. Unfortunately, parents these days are great at encouraging/pushing kids to succeed in their careers and earn a lot of money, but nobody ever instills the idea that not spending a lot of money is simply the easier solution.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:22 am
For us it is the imminent arrival of our first child. Suddenly everything that we though was so important is starting to fade. Now, we’re trying to make sure we can provide for a child and for ourselves when we’re older. It’s not just about the two of us anymore.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:24 am
I got engaged and started thinking about my long-term future seriously for the first time. I had a graduate degree that wracked up some serious student loans and when we moved in together increased my credit card debt with some dumb purchases.
My “Aha” moment came when I played with a debt to income calculator to determine if we could qualify for a mortgage. And we couldn’t.
Suddenly I realized that all these dreams that I had - having a family, buying a home, buying a vacation home - were not possible with my debt and I kicked into action. After a year and half, we’re about halfway to eliminating our debt and I can foresee being able to start to make our long term goals happen within the next 4 years.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:30 am
All it took for me was making one long term goal, doing some quick math, and realizing that if I didn’t change SOMETHING, I was NEVER going to get there.
I never had a problem with debt. I never spent more than I earned, and I didn’t buy a lot of useless stuff, but I had a few hobbies that I would fritter my money away on to support. Once I realized I had goals beyond next month, the idea of planning became a bit more important and the planning lead to the realization that I could not remain on the same path and ever realize my goals.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:48 am
JD, like you, my epiphany came when I was making less than $30k per year in the 1990s and I thought to myself that I could do better (based on those around me making twice what I was making because they had college degrees). I continued working full-time and went back to school full time for the next six years, finishing a BS, and two MS degrees. The salary went up by only $20k at first, but then exploded as I worked and gained experience at the higher level job the degrees qualified me for. Now I’m debt-free (other than my mortgage, on which I am not upside down even though I bought - at auction - in 2007), and am saving hard for retirement (while also enjoying the fruits of my labor to keep my family happy today).
So, not wanting to settle for less than I could be… That’s what got me moving and working hard for 10 years to achieve overnight success.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:49 am
For me it was throwing off the idea I had picked up growing up, which I will summerize as ‘poorliness is next to godliness’ and ‘I have money (for the first time in my life!), I should be able to afford this’. I had (and still have) a great paying job right out of college, but I was living pay check to pay check with a house loan, car loan, student loan and CC balance I was struggling more and more to pay off every month.
All the worrying over how to make the ends meet led me to realize that I was frittering away my money in an effort to make sure I fit into the mold I had seen growing up (think:good, ‘god fearing’ people, just getting by, and trusting god would make it all work out). My ideaology was all flawed, and it was really adversely affecting my financial future.
Facing, and changing that ideaology, along with reading lots of financial books, and following the Total Money Makeover’s debt snowball turned it all around for me. I still struggle with the old ideas occasionally, but for the most part, I’m in control and following my plan.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:54 am
I never married, so being a single female, it has always been quite clear that I am solely responsible for my financial wellbeing.
I always earned a living as a writer, but i credit my first job writing for a mutual fund wholesaler with really solidifying for me the importance of retirement planning.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:55 am
If you think about it, one of the BEST EVENTS to change people’s financial habits is the stock market meltdown, and real estate collapse over the past 18 months! Only through getting obliterated due people understand their own RISK.
The nation’s savings rate is now positive for the first time in a long while. Poorer people aren’t buying real estate with no money down anymore, esp if there’s no money in the bank. Lending by banks is more responsible, and all the good is returning.
My ‘aha’ moment was when I finally breached 7 figures in my bank account just in savings. I realized then I could actually retire early, and on my own terms. At 45, I’m out of the rat race.
If you’re under 40, now is the best time to be alive!
Keigu,
Shogun
Slicing Through Money’s Mysteries
August 20th, 2009 at 6:56 am
I worked at a credit union in college and we had tables showing the time value of money to encourage customers to invest in retirement accounts. The tables compared how much money you’d have if you invested $1,000 every year for 40 years to what you’d have if you invested $2,000 for 20 years and other scenarios. Seeing those made it obvious why I should start saving as early as possible in a way that my Dad’s lectures on savings never did. I also got to play with early software (this was the late 1980s) for loan amortization and interest calculations so I was able to see how expensive borrowing could be long before I ever borrowed a dime.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:07 am
When I finished school, having taken out student loans and a car loan and many times used my credit card to pay the rent, I cobbled together two or three jobs that more or less pointed me toward the sort of career I wanted (teacher, writer, editor, etc.). Those years were financially mindless: I wasn’t making a lot of money, expenses were high, and I continued to get into and out of credit card debt without too much thought. My annual income was pretty unstable, but I managed to keep a roof over my head, make my monthly loan payments, and have a little left over for play.
My epiphany came just a couple of years ago, when I was doing my tax return. Comparing past returns, I realized my income had been steadily climbing over the years, and I’d just had the best financial year of my life, with earnings well above any previous year. And because my car and student loans had long been paid off and my income tax and insurance costs had dropped because of a move to a new state, there was even more money potentially to hand. Yet I had nothing to show for that great year: I was still living paycheck to paycheck.
It was a hard lesson in lifestyle inflation and delayed maturity. I realized that as my expenses had dropped over the years and my income grew, I was just finding new things to spend the money on — mostly books, but also pretty much anything I took a fancy to. And I was approaching 40 but still thinking of myself as a kid who would one day get her act together.
I took a few days to think things over, and then came up with a set of spending rules and saving goals for the coming year. Since then, I’ve had to adjust them several times to get the mix right, but overall it’s been a successful venture. And I’m astounded at how quickly the savings have accumulated.
The big ‘payoff’ happened this year (is happening now, in fact), when a problem getting a contract executed meant I didn’t receive a paycheck for four months. Two years ago, I would have been in big trouble and probably would have gone into credit card debt or borrowed from my family to keep going. Instead, I was able to rely on this newfangled thing called an emergency fund to keep the bills paid while the contract got sorted out.
It’s been an enlightening experience, to say the least.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:12 am
I had been taught wise money stewardship during my first few years of college by a good friend and mentor. His best advice was “for two years after college, live like a pauper. Pretend you are still on a college budget, and save 1/2 to 2/3 of your income.” Since he was addressing co-eds, this was appropriate advice. Well, my moment was a culmination of the first year out of college. I am a software engineer and make pretty good pay, but we were living paycheck to paycheck anyway. We bought a car (MINI Cooper, no less), and started buying lots of furniture for our large apartment, and then went to a realtor. That scared the crap out of me, given our hand-to-mouth lifestyle at the time. The other aspect was that I read Robert Kiyosaki’s “Rich Dad” and couldn’t shake the feeling that there had to be a better way. We abandoned the house hunt due to anxiety, I pulled out my materials from my friend, and later that year someone gave me Ramsey’s “Total Money Makeover”.
It was interesting looking back at how much lifestyle inflation occurred in my life when I was trained to (and trying to) look for and avoid it.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Though I don’t have any debt aside from my mortgage and $3,500 on my car, that’s only because I cut up my credit card. I’ve been as deep as $25,000 in debt plus $40,000 in student loans and a $16,000 car loan. An inheritance cleared it all — barely — and made me realize that I needed to shape up.
And yet I couldn’t, and still struggle. The latest (and I hope last) wake-up call for me was having a slow leak in one of my tires and no money to replace it. I commute to work every day on the freeway, and was terrified of having an accident. Humiliated, I had to call the credit card company and have them send a copy of that card I’d cut up. That’s right — not a dime for an emergency fund. This came after a whole series of weeks when I had trouble buying food or gas because I squandered each paycheck within days of getting it.
This month, I’ve done things differently. I went to the website Take Back Your Brain (which, I think, has been recommended here), and put together an advertising campaign for myself. I blogged it and posted it everywhere I could think of, including sending myself text messages. I’ve also instituted a policy of reciting the Lord’s Prayer before any discretionary purchase. That, combined with reading Mary Hunt’s Debt-Proof Living, has put me on the straight and narrow for now. I just hope I can make it last.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:15 am
I finally woke up to taking responsibility for my finances when two husbands (yes, two!) both screwed up bad and destroyed my credit. One let our house go into foreclosure after not paying the mortgage for 6 months without telling me (this was after the divorce) and it was I who had to find the lawyer (from out of state) and make all the arrangements for the bank to take the house back “in leiu of foreclosure” (which still mars the credit report.) Then hubbie #2 (who is also now an ex) blew his credit up and because we were married at the time, and I had been a stay-at-home mom for 5 years (after working my whole life) my credit was basically brought back to zero as a result. Since eschewing husbands, I have taken my own finances very seriously. I pay for everything (on a secretary’s salary), receive no alimony or child support for my two kids and contribute to my retirement. I am constantly broke, there is nothing with which to build up an “emergency fund” (after all, each day is an emergency)and will likely never be able to buy my own home, but I pay my bills on time and manage. Lesson learned: Money, like birth control, is something that one should NEVER rely on the other person to “take care of it!” While I still daydream about some rich suitor coming to rescue me from my austere life, I am honestly grateful to be handling everything myself. It is never a good idea to give your power away and assume (hope) that everything will be “happily ever after.”
August 20th, 2009 at 7:25 am
I’m about to be a father. We need to move out of the one bedroom co-op. The cost of a new home with more rooms means moving further from my job, and a longer commute means less family time. We have a lot of debt (school loans, mortgage, home equity loan) and we live hand to mouth. If we throw another life form into the mix it becomes even harder. My uncle raised three kids, sent them all to college, bought a house, and retired comfortably after a career as a technician with a telephone company. I know there’s a better way to live and provide for my child so now I’m learning what I need to do.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:29 am
My reason was my fiance.
Prior to getting engaged I was a bit of a financial mess. No investments, minimal cash reserves, a maxed out credit card around $12K and over $50K in debt from school. I had no control over my spending, and in fact had no idea where I spent my money on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis.
When we got engaged we came up with a plan to get my spending under control and my debt paid down. Well, that didn’t go well. My rock bottom came in the car, on the highway, when my fiance asked me how things were going. I couldn’t lie to her and broke down into tears, told her that I had let her down and that I had to change. She was disappointed because I had promised to change my ways, but was committed to help me out.
The both of us committed to spending only cash, no debit or credit (if at all possible, any expenditures on credit needed to be paid off). While she didn’t need to do this, since she was (and still is) very good with her money, she did this for moral support. She told me that if I committed to paying off my debt that she would commit her money to savings.
I put myself on a strict cash budget of $800/mo, including my transportation and food costs. I still had to keep to my other monthly payments, like cell phone, car lease (I know, bad), insurance, etc. Any money that was left over at the end of the month would be sunk into paying off my debt.
This was in February that we came up with this and I can proudly say that I have stuck with the cash budget since then. I’ve managed to pay off the credit card debt and right now I’m socking away my money to pay for wedding related expenses. This is the longest that I’ve ever stuck with a plan like this, so with my fiance’s support I think I can carry on.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:31 am
For me it was a large pay increase. I’ve been a broke student every since I graduated from high school working my way through two bachelor’s degrees and a master’s degree. When I started my PhD last year I was awarded a very generous three-year fellowship. I’ve always been pretty good with money, no cc debt, and I could save up for short-term goals. But I had no money saved for the long-term. I realized that I didn’t want to waste this extra money on things that didn’t matter (what I now know is lifestyle inflation). I needed some sort of plan, so I started reading personal finance books and learning the basics of budgeting and saving. I continued to live like a broke grad student and set up automatic payments to a savings account and mutual funds. In the last year I went from having no long-term savings to just over $20K. Some people I’ve told this to tell me that it is too much–that I don’t need to save so much for my retirement right now–but I wanted to start saving early in order to take advantage of compounding. In the next couple years I can work towards other goals, such as an emergency fund and a down payment for a house. For me this whole process has given me a greater sense of control over my life.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:33 am
I remember that day like it was yesterday - For me the turning point was when my son was born. I had to take him to the emergency room in the middle of the night and could not even pay the $100.00 co-pay for the emergency room visit. I had to give them a post dated check. Since then I decided, that would never happen to me again. I had to have a plan and I did. Today am happy to state that I have paid off my cc debt over a period of 2 years (my son is now 3) and I have a good EF and contributing towards retirement. Of course I had to make drastic changes but that moment to me was the eye opener. Blogs like this one and the simple dollar and other finance websites have helped me through out the way.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:39 am
I graduated from grad school with lots of debt but also, for the first time ever, a well-paying job. Finally I felt like I was in a stable state and could stop living paycheck to paycheck. So now I’m determined: I want to pay off my debt ASAP, save like a maniac for the future, and live reasonably.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:41 am
After grad school, the wedding, and a move to DC, we were making more money than we ever dreamed (75k combined), enjoying our apartment and the city life. And going deeper into debt every month. How was that possible? That led to some sleepless nights, during one of which I google searched for financial awareness tools or something and found GRS, Total Money Makeover, etc. Thus began my education. Your Money or Your Life was the big smack in the face for me.
I realized that we had no idea where our money was going and started tracking it, then started budgeting, then started digging out. We’re still doing all of those things, but with a plan and without anxiety.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:41 am
One word: widowhood.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:52 am
When starting undergrad I had some money saved up, some scholarships, and limited assistance from my parents. I felt so overwhelmed with the new experiences of college that I didn’t want to have to undertake trying to understand all the implications of different student loan options. At that point I decided it would just be easier to manage my existing money, work during the year & summers, and continue to apply for more scholarships. I came close to having no money a few times at the beginning of a spring semester (after paying for tuition) but I knew if I managed what little I had that I could make it last and build up enough to pay for the next semester. This started my habit of saving for things I wanted and really keeping an eye on how/where I spent my money. I happily managed to make it out without any loans and evolved a budgeting system that worked for me.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:56 am
I don’t have any story but the idea of being financially independent on my own for my first time and listening to stories of those who have been through my situation just hit me and made me think big picture. With no debt I have become very alert with saving in a Roth IRA and having a general mutual fund for 10+ years when I will need it more.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:01 am
For me, it was when my truck finally died and I had to get a new car. Starting college, I had about $40,000 from my years raising hogs in 4-H. My college was all paid for by my parents and grandmother. 6 years, a BS and Master’s degree later, I had maybe $10,000. My rent, food, utilities during that time had all been paid for by my parents, as well as clothing (I didn’t spend much), and all the other stuff like movies, video games, computer equipment, bars, and such were paid by me. That’s where my money went. My spending didn’t really improve after college, as I landed a job almost immediately, and I was making more money than I had made at any other job I had had before (which wasn’t really saying much). I got a big-ass TV, still bought games and movies, and it seems almost every day half the office would go to some restaurant for lunch. I eventually lost that job, but soon got another. I was more or less on the same course, until a little over a year ago my truck died for good.
About a week later, my first solo car-buying experience found me the owner of a late-model Ford Escape. I had paid $5000 down, and had a loan for the rest. This took a big chunk out of my savings, but it didn’t really hit me until I discovered I owed about $2000 in taxes because my job wasn’t withholding enough from my paycheck. That left me with only a few thousand left, which was alarming. And with that my life of frugality began. I’m slowly building up my savings (although it took another hit last this year at tax time, they still didn’t withhold enough), I’m contributing to an IRA, funding a 401(k) with matching, making regular car payments (for the first year I frequently overpaid to decrease the principal, now I owe around $9000, and in an emergency I could go for almost an entire year before I owe another payment). I’m also living without things I never thought I could live without before.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:08 am
I think I’ve sort of always been interested in personal finance. When I was growing up, my grandpa (who was someone I admired very much), had his own business. It was pretty successful (asphalt company, in business for 26 years, then sold for a fair amount), and he was a pretty frugal guy, for a lot of reasons I guess. He grew up during the great depression and had values that didn’t change with time. When people would say, your grandpa is so thrifty, or something of that nature, it made me curious about why. He was a quiet guy, but he would say that when you’re running a business, things can go sour at any time - you need to make sure there’s plenty of extra fuel in the tank.
I think wanting to be like him (and recognizing that his way was one that worked) is what got me started in personal finance. Other people I admire (mentors, if you will), have fortified that interest.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:21 am
My “wake-up” was about 5 years after starting my career. My wife at the time (ex-wife now) and I were arguing about money, we did this often. I think one month we had a really high credit card bill or something. I realized at that point we both had good jobs but were living paycheck to paycheck. After 5 years of working, I had basically nothing but a few grand in my 401(k) to show for it. I wanted to sell the house, pay off our debts and start over. She didn’t.
We ended up getting divorced a short time later. I was also laid off and moved back in with my parents for a short time at the age of 25. I lost my wife, my job and my house in the course of about 2 months. I vowed to make dramatic change in my financial life. I started reading personal finance books and scouring the web for info. 6 years later, we have no debt except our mortgage, a great wife that shares my financial goals and an amazing son. We just bought a fantastic new home last month and have an emergency fund in place should something happen. It’s weird…once that weight of debt was lifted off me, it just seems like saving was so easy.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:30 am
I had my wake up call early in my life when my mom was divorced by my father. She entered the marriage at a young age and focused her energies on motherhood (work that is completely undervalued!). When she was divorced, she was left with nothing and basically had to start her life over again.
That taught me to be a financially independent woman. I always pay myself first and invest in my IRA religiously. I do as much financial reading as I can, and try to be proactive. My partner and I talk about finances and saving for long-term goals rather than letting thing slide or not discussing them at all.
I feel grateful to have learned from the struggles of my mother, and I hope that as she ages, I can care for her as she cared for me.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:30 am
I like turtles!
My cousin (who now works for Goldman Sachs 0_0) pointed me in the right direction by advising me to approach all financial matters with some skepticism and recommended a couple books about investing.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:31 am
I’ve paid my own way since turning 18, and had been struggling financially through college. I racked up credit card debt and medical expenses due to being laid off twice after starting fresh in the IT field (Due to company cutbacks). At 21, I found a great paying salary IT job with benefits, all without even having my degree yet. However, my spending inflated, and I was stuck in the same boat.
After a little over a half year, beginning 2009, I realized that I wasn’t getting anywhere. I had always somewhat expected someone to assist me through the tough years, but my parents aren’t very good supporters financially or mentally. So I realized that it was up to me to make sure that I have a secure future.
I joined my company 401k and maxed the company match. Also, in four months I paid off all my credit cards, past due bills, and medical expenses. All I have left is my student loans. Now I am saving up money in various emergency funds, along with saving $3k to start a Roth IRA. I have also saved up money to buy a house, and will be closing shortly. I just recently started budgeted myself $100 a week for gas, food, and entertainment, which is actually working very well. I am easily able to cook for myself for under $50 a week, versus spending hundreds going out, which was one of my final week points.
At 22, I am thankful to say that I got my head in the game at an early age.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:34 am
A mentor. An ex-boss with whom I still kept in contact said to me, “Thomas, you need to start thinking about these things.” The “you’re-not-getting-any-younger” speech also helped. I just wish he had been around to give the “you-need-to-start-while-your-young” speech.
He had a financial advisor he’d been using for years and was very happy with. I went to see her, and wow, what a difference that first year made just to have someone to guide me and to report to on occasion.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:36 am
The more I used computers, the more I would try to get rid of paper. I went to so far as to take all my credit card statements and enter the monthly balances, finance charges and payments into Excel. As I looked back over the previous years, with finance charges totaling thousands of dollars, I suddenly felt very foolish and wasteful! Why was I wasting all this money on high interest credit cards?
So the very next step was to figure out which order to pay them off in… debt snowball or highest interest first. I created a new spreadsheet with those balances and charges and payments, but this time looking forward, with the snowball method and either ordering by smallest balance or highest interest first. And the math was clear… pay off highest interest loans first!
But a few years later, as I realized the value of the psychology of the debt snowball, I did eventually cave and pay off some smaller balance credit cards despite the low interest (thanks to some fortuitous permanent balance transfer offers).
I’m now very happy to be credit card debt free. I still have very low interest student loan and car loans, but the balances are not at all huge, and I’ve built up a CD ladder, a healthy 401(k) balance and a usefully sized emergency fund. What makes me happiest now is totaling everything up and looking back, and seeing a net worth that improves by over ten thousand each year! Even without the ever declining interest payments on my mortgage, increasing my salary or compounding interest, I’m headed for a net worth of over half a million by the time I’m 60.
August 20th, 2009 at 9:05 am
@Jason B
Nice job! A half million in principle savings alone by 60! That will be incredible!
August 20th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Thanks for this topic! Everyone’s comments are itneresting and informative.
August 20th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I would be on a good path anyway because that is just me, but watching my mom struggle through graduate school was formative. I didn’t ever want to have my life choices limited because there wasn’t enough money in the bank.
But an event where my views were solidified was when I was 12-14. My sister, who is bipolar, turned 18 and my mom struggled to get her living as independently as possible and I realized it would never 100% happen. I realized odds were that when my mom died I would be responsible for making up the difference between what my sister could supply for herself and what she needed to live a modest life.
She has since married and her husband makes up the difference, but for years that was the reality I was working toward, so I grew up believing I would have significant financial responsibility.
August 20th, 2009 at 9:30 am
In the same year- a divorce and an Autism diagnosis for my son. These events left me in a panic- the same bills with half the income.
But, you wouldn’t believe the blessings that have come to pass since. Within the year, I:
finished my Master’s, which resulted in a raise,
paid off my car,
realized my salary was not reflecting my teaching experience from another state- another raise, and
saved $1000 (baby step #1).
I’ve been able to tithe and help other people going through other difficult situations. Now, I’m paying off credit cards and ALMOST have an entire paycheck set aside.
I’m very thankful that I’m finally learning how to take care of money better, even though it’s been a long road.
August 20th, 2009 at 9:51 am
First, I was going to say I have always been this way (even with junior and highschool jobs I saved my money) but I realize what it really was that made me the way I am.
When I was a senior in college my father’s businesses failed (actually it was 2 failures and last straw the 3rd business he invested in the investors ran off with over 100K of money). In addition my parents started divorce proceedings. Instead of money in the bank our family was now hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. My little brother was a senior in high school and there were no provisions for him to go to college. Though I wasn’t always super aware of it during good times, it made me realize I hated the way my parents dealt with money (spending when there was excess, no planning/saving for retirement, not seperating personal from business assets) and the lack of control I felt. In response, I probably became overly conservative with money, living below my means, even with the first job out of college saving for retirement, and avoiding debt like the plague.
A big regret is that I cannot share what I have learned with my parents; they still will not discuss or confer with their adult children about finances or any other future planning, refuse to create wills, and other than ask me for money indirectly will not share what is going on with their financial situation other than it is bad.
August 20th, 2009 at 10:07 am
My story is a story we’ve heard many times before, from J.D. and many others. I racked up some $25k or so in credit card debt, and finally hit rock bottom when I realized my income could no longer cover both my credit card bills and rent. That’s when I started turning around.
I still don’t believe in “delayed gratification” though. I set my goals, and then I meet them as soon as possible, not as late as possible. This doesn’t mean I’ll go into debt to meet them, but I’d rather have a lifetime full of experiences and a moderately sized 401k than a *huge* 401k and have put off everything until age 60+.
A variety of experiences helps us grow as people. This is especially tied to travel, but it applies to everything. You don’t fully appreciate what the conditions in a third world country are like until you’ve been to one, nor do you fully grasp the skill required for surfing until you’ve tried it, and you can’t understand the flavor of a fine wine until you’ve tasted it. Your experiences shape you as a person, and it seems ridiculous to delay learning all these things in exchange for a few dollars in interest.
I’m going to Costa Rica in a couple weeks. Could I have waited until retirement and gone then, having more money left over because of the interest earned in the intermediate 35 years? Sure. But then I couldn’t tell my kids about the trip to the rain forest that their mother and I went on before they were born, nor could I watch how the people there raise their children and apply some of that knowledge to raising my own kids, nor would I understand plenty of other things, because I’d never have been exposed to them.
Why put off until tomorrow what you can do today? Accruing interest at 6% isn’t enough of a reason for me.
August 20th, 2009 at 10:07 am
My brain change: surviving my first rounds of layoffs (I’m in software R&D), having DH get laid off when we didn’t have much savings, and reading Your Money or Your Life (Joe Dominguez and Vicki Robin) for the first time.
I found that I really hated feeling like my entire way of life is at risk because my employer isn’t doing well. I also fell in love with the idea of financial independence. DH took a little while, but he bought into the idea with me.
The second time DH got laid off, we were much better positioned. I remember my reaction was “oh, well; take your time to find something you love”.
I’m still on “layoff watch” (who isn’t, these days!), feeling about 40% endangered in the next 6 months. No panic here, even though we’re a single-paycheck family — just planning, planning, planning. We’re not FI, but we have enough resources to have a lot of choices to deal with what comes.
It’s all about peace of mind. We know what we value, and we spend on those things as well as necessities, but we aren’t as swayed by peer pressure or impulsive “I wannas” as we used to be.
@Tyler at 45: “delayed gratification” doesn’t mean delaying everything you love as long as possible. It means “the ability to wait in order to obtain something that one wants” — sounds like you do that already, based on your own description. Balance is key!
August 20th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I was sitting in my high school algebra class and Mr. Weiss was teaching us about compounding interest. Once I got a handle on the math I started crunching numbers, immediately noticing a huge difference between investing at 20 and 25. I realized then that I could not wait, I needed to start then and there, or I would be “throwing” money away. I have been making a full contribution to my Roth ever since I was 19.
August 20th, 2009 at 10:19 am
My moment came one night during a discussion with my soon-to-be-hubby. We were talking about money and he admitted that he had some problems with bills and some debt out there. “Some” turned out to be quite a bit and I decided that I would take over the finances for us. It took several months of online caluculators and reading every budget/finance article I could find to finally come up with a plan. 8 years of marriage, 2 kids and numerous money discussions later we’ve paid off his debt and our working on paying off student loans and mortgage as well as building savings. It hasn’t been the most fun but the most important thing to know is that there are lots of people who have been through it before and are willing to share their knowledge!
August 20th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Tyler, I think you and I have similar outlooks. I think I originally was turned off by PF because I felt that experiences could be just as, if not more rewarding, than having a large savings account. Lately I’ve come to recognize that keeping my finances in order eventually frees me to experience MORE because I’m not tying up so much of my money paying finance charges and because I’m not as chained to a particular job or salary.
August 20th, 2009 at 10:21 am
My reason was my cat.
In early 2007 she was very very sick, and we were poor recently ex-students. My husband and I both had school debt, but I also had a bunch of frivolous debt caused by buying things I really didn’t need, while at school, and after I graduated because I “deserved” them.
The cat ended up needing fairly major surgery (she had a tumour in her stomach), and after calling Visa and MasterCard, begging for my CC limit to be raised (since of course, they were maxed out) and being turned down, I decided I needed to get my finances in shape. I didn’t want to ever be in that situation again and decided to take action to make sure I never was.
I felt so helpless - I couldn’t afford lifesaving surgery for someone I loved, all because of stupid things I had done years in the past. It was incredibly frustrating and sobering. (we ended up getting an emergency loan from my mother)
I stumbled along on my own for a while, trying to learn what I could, and early this year we had our credit cards completely paid off! I only started reading PF blogs this year, and that has helped me learn more and provided me with many other resources to learn more from as well. At this point, my husband and I are well on track to becoming debt-free (except the mortgage) by the time we are 30 in 2 years. I can recognize the money traps I used to fall into, and have learned how to avoid most of them.
(Thanks to a fantastic veterinary surgeon, my cat was fine and is still with us!)
August 20th, 2009 at 10:27 am
@TosaJen (and Nancy), based on your definition of delayed gratification, yes, I do that already!
I see a lot of people though, saying things like, “I could spend $2,000 today on a vacation, but if instead I invest the $2,000 at 8% return for 40 years, it’ll be worth $45,000! I’ll just wait 40 years to take a vacation, because of all the interest I can earn instead!”
That’s the sort of “delayed gratification” I’m not willing to participate in. As soon as I’ve saved $2000 in my ‘vacation’ fund, as long as my finances are otherwise in order, I’m going to go on my trip.
Years ago, I would have gone on the trip even if I didn’t have the money for it saved. I will no longer do that.
August 20th, 2009 at 10:35 am
I got my act together when my husband’s income dropped 18% and our rent went up 50%. Now I know we can live on just about any income, and I will never spend more than I need to again.
August 20th, 2009 at 10:43 am
In May 1987, as I left the hospital with my newborn son, alone, I realized that the only person I would ever depend on financially was myself and this tiny person was depending on me. I was a 21 year old single parent and that was a big wake up call. I took that role very seriously and changed my life. I’ve been married for many years now and we have lived a very frugal life with only a mortgage, never any other debt again.
August 20th, 2009 at 10:53 am
I’ve wanted to be rich ever since being a little kid. But…. I thought you became rich exclusively through creating wealth (build a business, etc) and did NOT take into consideration that there’s a second part to the equation: keeping wealth. So I decided to start working on both fronts, and I’m still not rich but at least my worth is rising and that feels good.
August 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
My turning point was a result of 3 things happening over the course of a year. I graduated college and found a great job, and had minimal expenses besides rent. I also kept a part time job on the side, for extra cash. Lifestyle inflation caught up to me, and at the end of the year I realized I had spent over $45,000 and had nothing to show for it besides a closet full of designer clothes and shoes that I wasn’t wearing, and a huge flatscreen TV (and many many lunches and nights of eating out at expensive restaurants).
Then, I found out that my part time job wasn’t playing nice with my overall taxes, so I owed somewhere around $1000 (the first time in my life I ever owed money). Finally, I met my current boyfriend, and my priorities shifted to travel and building our future together (home, new car, further education).
All of these things contributed to the moment when I “woke up” and realized that saving was essential. Reading horror stories about the terrible economy only motivated me further, and I vowed never to put myself in a bad position if I could help it. Just pausing to think about cause and effect can go a long way!
August 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am
I honestly don’t think I had one moment that was a, “wake-up call” for me. I was horrible about taking on debt I couldn’t afford. But I ALWAYS paid it off after hard work (including a purchase of a brand new $20,000 at 18 years old - stupid). I think I learned my lesson over time. When I would pay off a debt I realized how many choices I had in my life when I didn’t have any payments to make etc.
Now my wife and I have very little debt at 24 years of age. We are planning on having the house paid off in 4 years. ALL I WANT is the freedom to choose whatever the heck I want to do. Payments (debt) really just hold you down in some many ways…
August 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
A little over a year ago, I had an accident that could have been fatal and miraculously wasn’t. (I fell off a 4-story cliff in Indonesia.)
There were many fallouts from that experience, but one was that I wanted to get a tattoo; I’d wanted one for a very long time but never got it because I knew my parents would disapprove. (This was still my reason as a 30 year old woman!)
The tattoo artist I chose was wonderfully talented — and expensive. But it was worth the money to me to get something great that I would have for the rest of my life. And they don’t take credit cards. So within a few months, I socked away the cash I needed for the tattoo and got it. (I love it!)
Out of THAT experience, I saw that, when I am properly motivated, I could do powerful stuff with my money. So I started seriously paying off my credit card debt and getting a handle on my finances and I am well on my way to having a prosperous future! (This blog, along with a few others, and the book Smart Women Finish Rich, have taught me a lot along the way.)
August 20th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
My change in attitude was after a messy break up when I was 16. Sounds pathetic but after this horrible experience I felt that I had to make sure I took control of EVERYTHING. Thankfully this included making over my finances in addition to my studies. I guess it seems like I was using the whole ‘trying to control everything’ as a distraction. Five years on I’m in a wonderful relationship, studying languages (my passion) and financially healthy.
August 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
At first I was going to say that nothing happened to me to make me to decide to take control. But that’s not true. The thing that happened to me is that I got some money to take control of! There were a few periods in my childhood when we had enough family money to get an allowance, and after high school I started working. I was very excited to have my own money to control. I didn’t actually spend much–it was enough to know that if I really wanted something, I could get it.
Also, I started off rather ignorant–most of what I knew I learned from school (math, reading, history classes) and Girl Scouts. I also understood the concept of not being able to afford things from my family.
But I had to slowly find out about things like stocks, mutual funds, IRAs, online savings accounts, diversification, prioritizing durability in my purchases, which expensive fun things are actually worth the money, how to repair things and make substitutes, etc. And I’m still learning.
Specific incidents I remember:
* I couldn’t find anything I really wanted at the zoo, so I just bought something mediocre–then I learned I could have saved the money.
* I couldn’t remember where all my money had gone sometimes in college, so I started keeping track.
* When my parents couldn’t afford to pay their part of my junior year in college, I figured out a way to finish anyway.
* I (stupidly) prioritized paying off my student loans while other people were starting to save for retirement–by the time I had extra money, I knew what I wanted to do with it.
* My car kept breaking and it’s like the repair guys kept calling my bank and charging me everything in my account. Finally I decided to go without a car for a while so I’d have some money for fun.
* By the time I no longer knew people I wanted to be roommates with, I already knew I liked having roommates so much that I was willing to interview strangers to find one.
* When I went to a conference for math teachers and felt like I was the only one who had driven more than fifty miles (instead of flying), camped or stayed in a cheap hotel (instead of the hotel next to the conference), parked across the river (instead of paying to park), and wasn’t even a teacher (I just hoped to become one someday), there was no denying that I was some kind of weirdo AND that I was okay with that.
* When the Roth IRA was invented, I jumped aboard immediately. Pay my taxes now and never worry about them again? Score! (With taxes at historic lows, and my tax rate in the bottom bracket, my taxes were going nowhere but up.) I wasn’t so quick with the I-bond or online savings bandwagons but eventually figured out they were okay (at least back when the I-bond paid significantly more than just the inflation rate).
* When I got my current job and calculated when I could retire, I decided I was going to save up enough to ensure that I could retire at that date, regardless of how much they changed the rules for my pension.
So I guess I’d call the category that got me to get better was Learning Good Tricks. If you only hang around people (and books, web pages, etc.) that don’t know any of the cool tricks, how will you learn them?
August 20th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I think motivation is a huge factor in all of this. So many people have a huge amount of potential in them, it’s just about unlocking it. You can have two of people who graduated with an MBA and one will still always make more than the other, so I also believe there is a bit of luck in there as well. I think if you can harness all of these ingredients, you can become successful (not just money, true hapiness).
Thanks for the great blog post. Pretty inspiring!
August 20th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
My ‘a-ha’ moment happened more than once. I was always a saver, as a few people have said here. Saved for my own car when I was 16. You know how hard it is to not spend ONE DIME of money you make over the summer, but then feel the reward of driving around your own $1500 LeBaron in the fall? I didn’t have a new, awesome car like all the cool kids, but man… I was proud.
Then, I met my husband. I’ve never met someone who was so bad with money. He was actually PROUD of his NSF notices from the bank, that he made me not care about getting them either. When it came time to get a credit card, guess who had to apply for one because he kept getting denied? And then when our joint checking was empty… well, you can see the snowball effect.
I seemed to keep a few of his habits after our divorce, because my career just kept paying me more. I thought I OWED it to myself after the nightmare of living with him and his debt troubles to buy myself things. And not just things, NICE, EXPENSIVE things.
It finally all cleared up for me when I lost my job at the end of 2007 when I realized that I had made a LOT of money over the past 5 years, and like a lot of previous people on here have said, I had NOTHING to show for it.
Over the last year, I:
Got a financial PLANNER (Ameriprise is great, they charge a flat fee.)
Paid off all my credit card debt
Fixed my credit score
Saved $6,000 that is split between a Long Term & Short Term savings acct. (Short term is my emergency fund, while my long term, I will never touch)
I save 5% in my 401k
And rolled an old 401k into a Roth IRA
The one thing that I did see on these comments that startled me was about saving for vacations. I really think once you begin saving, it can almost become an unhealthy obsession. As with everything else, you must find the middle way, some balance. (My boyfriend is buddhist.)
With this, you never know what may happen tomorrow. Go on vacation.
We’re headed to Costa Rica in March 2010!
August 20th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Just before I turned 30, I took a job that gave me a 50% pay increase. I thought I had it made. (Take your current paycheck, divide it by half and write yourself a check on top of the amount you are used to earning — feels good, huh?)
About six months into this job, I sat at my desk trying to figure out why I was making a lot more money, but I felt just as broke. I looked at all my expenses and realized I was experiencing lifestyle inflation — my husband and I were traveling and eating out a lot more than we used to, and using up that extra money fast.
I thought about what I really wanted. It wasn’t to sit at a desk my whole life, I knew that. I read a lot of books and even took a community college class on debt reduction. We stopped eating out and spending unnecessarily, and we paid off $20,000 in student loans, plus another $20,000 car loan in about 2 years.
When I was laid off from this well-paying job three years later, I was pregnant. Being almost debt free (with the exception of my mortgage), meant I could stay home with my baby for almost two years. When I did go back to work, it was on my terms — I did freelance work from home. Being my own boss was exactly what I wanted to do.
This recession has taught me that I want more — more financial freedom, at least. So my next goal is to pay off my mortgage. It’s not going to be easy. But it’s time. Imagine what I could do with an extra $1,000 a month that wasn’t going to my mortgage company. It’s going to feel really good to know that I own my own home and everything in it. Nothing I can buy is going to feel better than that.
August 20th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
During college, I was supported by my parents. I had savings from when I was a kid, but that was used for extras during college, basically anything my parents wouldn’t reimburse. “Beers $18″ wouldn’t get past my parents’ audit. My bank account bounced between 1,500 and 500 dollars. I had never accumulated money. When I graduated and went on to graduate school, my new fixed income was ample, but all of the sudden if I spent more than I made, my account dwindled. I hated this. I had an “aha” moment. Realizing that I had the ability to spend a lot less than my income, I quickly began understanding costs of things I had always neglected. My engineering brain soon began to think of everything as dollars per day, in dollars per use, dollars per ounce, and asking “Do I really need that?”. Realizing how much you’re spending was the key to my mental switchover.
Today, I am frugal. I wear things out that I used to replace earlier. I keep mental track of prices. I’ve learned to cook, and barely go out to eat. I buy things that last, even if they’re “expensive”.
It’s not easy, but I’ve made progress:
I paid off my car 1.5 years into the 3 year loan.
I comparison shop for everything more than about $20.
I always try generic food products, if only once.
I paid for a mortgage modification, and it’s paid itself back in 6 months.
I prepay my mortgage enough so that I don’t barely notice.
I have auto-debited “per month” escrow ING accounts from every expected purchase over $300(property tax, insurance, etc.), and am building an emergency fund. I keep money from small windfalls put away for fun stuff.
I lowered my tax allowances to keep more money during the year.
It’s a revelation, and I’ve just started down this road. I’m glad to be on it, even if it’s not flashy.
I appreciate all the content here that helps me to examine the way I earn, save and invest my money, because the more I think about it, the better decisions I make.
August 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
JD, I think this need Robert Brokamp to be careful of his tone. It’s your blog and he is a guest poster; you should keep any eye out how guest posters sound:
>>I’ll summarize the results in my next GRS missive.
How would it feel if a commenter wrote “I’ll summarize the results in my next GRS missive.” Would sound strange, weird, and a little condescending.
I don’t expect to be talked down to when I read your blog.
August 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Thankfully I’ve been able to get a good start financially after college, though i really appreciate all the “lessons learned” that are available on this site. A lot of great advice and interesting things to watch out for. I remember though having to buy a computer near the end of my senior year as a replacement on credit, and not having a job to pay it off. Carrying that balance for months on end made me it’s better to wait and save, rather than be in a position to lose money month after month.
August 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
For me, it all started while I was working for minimum wage at an Eddie Bauer Outlet store in Golden, Colorado. While lamenting about my lack of funds, a coworker told me about Robert Kiyosaki’s “Rich Dad, Poor Dad”. After a quick trip to Borders Books and Music and a read-through, I was hooked.
A phrase from that book went something like, “A portion of every paycheck you earn belongs to you”. Mr. Kiyosaki goes on to elaborate that we think that all of our paycheck belongs to us, but most if not all of it ends up going to bills, rent, food, daily expenses, etc. Very little or none at all ends up going to the things that matter - saving for retirement, assets/investments, etc.
After reading that book, I woke up to a whole new world. I began reading finance blogs like this one and Ramit Sethi’s “I Will Teach You To Be Rich”. I opened up savings accounts with ING Direct, a Roth IRA with Sharebuilder, and generally gained better control over my finances. Sometimes, all it takes is a choice phrase or good line from somebody to really sink in and get the gears turning in your head.
August 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I feel very fortunate that I learned the basics or personal finance early on. My parents are fairly wealthy, but are still responsible with their money. I learned a lot about bargain shopping from my mom, and the difference between wants and needs (a difficult lesson when I was in 4th grade and “needed” a slap bracelet because one’s social standing was directly proportional to the number of slap bracelets owned). My parents urged me to get a credit card when I was in college to build good credit, but stressed the importance of always paying the balance in full so I wouldn’t have to pay interest.
When I got my first real job, my older brother helped me figure out a budget. He encouraged me to contribute 20% of my pay to my 401(k), promising me that if I never saw it, I wouldn’t even miss it (he was right!). He also advised me to contribute to a Roth IRA. Learning about these things made me seek out more information, and I’m still finding out about ways to improve my finances.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
I’m only 19, but I come from a pretty comfortable family. My mom has horrible money management, and unfortunately, I inherited that trait from her. Used to private schools and spoiled private school kids, I spent and spent and spent with no thought to the fact that money is limited. Even after my first year of college at a public university, I ended up becoming friends with people who came from similar financial backgrounds. It wasn’t until this summer, when I started my first job at a Christian summer camp paying me $175 a week for working 50 hours a week that I started realizing money wasn’t a limitless resource. That revelation has made me immensely grateful toward my parents for all they’ve given me, and determined to minimize my monetary burden on them. I picked up a couple of Dave Ramsey’s books, set up a budget on my computer and saved up for an emergency fund. And thanks to all my research, I am never going to open a credit card. After reading so many stories of people with tons of debt, I feel so thankful that my parents didn’t let me open a credit card when I turned 18.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
I grew up relatively poor - on and off welfare, constantly broke, and always “robbing Peter to pay Paul” - we could pay the electricity bill or the phone bill, but not both. I didn’t realize it at the time, but it really affected me. I *hated* being poor and thought if I could get a job making lots of money life would be a million times easier. I worked 40 hours a week (and took out loans) to put myself through college and when I graduated got a good job making good money.
And you know what? I was still Just.As.Broke. No matter how I earned, I would spend a little bit more, doing the same dance every month of what credit cards to pay… My mom (who was finally able to get her financial life in order) gave me a book on unhealthy relationships with money and I saw myself so clearly in one of the examples. I realized I was basically “addicted to poverty”, and constantly needed to prove to myself that I wasn’t poor, by spending lots of money, which of course made me poor! It’s taken a couple re-readings of Your Money or Your Life, and I’ve made some mistakes but I finally have a positive net worth and it’s increasing every month.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
JD - For what it’s worth, I don’t think use of the word “missive” is condescending, weird or strange. Viva la language, underused words and all.
August 20th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
My reason for change was when I turned 25 last year I received a sizable, to me at least inheritance. At that moment I decided that I needed to become more knowledgeable about investing. From this need for investing knowledge, I found GRS and have since improved my saving and spending habits. I’m going back to college to get a degree in a field I love and my full time job makes me appreciate the education and strive to make excellent grades so that I will be able to get the job that I desire.
Joe
August 21st, 2009 at 4:57 am
Mine’s a bit of a jilted lover story. I was in a long-term (7 year) relationship, we had no real debt problems (just student loans), but I wasn’t making much money. Then, I unceremoniously ended up broke and brokenhearted, in another city with no job. Luckily I had family and friends with whom to crash, so I wasn’t in real dire straits. However, when I finally landed a decent job, I decided that task 1 was to eliminate all my debt. That was 2 years ago. I’m now 28, and I plan to be debt free by 30 or 31 (I’m giving myself a little wiggle room).
It was a wake-up call, I guess. I could end up broke and jobless at any time, and having debt on top of that makes a stressful situation worse.
Of course, I set myself back a bit by buying a car, putting myself further in debt, but I’m at a point now where I can handle it (thankfully!).
August 21st, 2009 at 7:08 am
I had two things happen to me. One is that I’m turning 40 in a few months. And I did a lot of introspection and realized that one of my long-standing issues was lack of discipline. So, I made a decision to be more disciplined with my housework and my finances (two of my big areas).
The second was having a 71 year-old coworker tell me that she can’t afford to retire. That is not going to happen to me. I refuse to work into my 70’s. That is completely lame. Lots of people claim they would be too bored if they didn’t work (and really, I suspect my coworker may be of that ilk and is just claiming that she can’t afford to). I have so many things I like to do that on my days off I feel that I don’t have enough time to do what I want to do.
August 21st, 2009 at 7:10 am
In my 20s I was terrible with money and debt. Marrying someone who was raised to be extremely debt-averse helped get me started on becoming more responsible. But the real epiphany came after we had our 2nd child 16 months ago. I was (still am, for now) stuck in a corporate job with not enough flexibility, too much stress, in a field I just don’t care about anymore, and not able to spend enough time with my family. I wanted to quit until I could find something part-time, and I also want to go back to school for a total career change, but we just couldn’t afford it, primarily because of student loan and car payments. Last year I read Your Money or Your Life and the Total Money Makeover. The anecdotes in Total Money Makeover about what real, middle-class people who had eliminated debt and really got control of their spending and investing were able to accomplish struck home. They had so many more choices in life when they had no debt payments and truly lived below their means. My husband and I decided that’s what we want.
August 21st, 2009 at 9:31 am
Mine happened when my husband and I decided to get married and wanted to see where we as a developing unit were financially. It was an ugly picture but we developed a plan to pay it all off and I hit the personal finance websites to gain perspectives of other people who are trying to do better like we are. It will probably take us five years to pay off everything but the mortgage but its been a great journey so far.
August 21st, 2009 at 1:16 pm
2 reasons:
Your Money or Your Life- taught me not to overdue it
Rich Dad - taught me to think outside the box
I became upper middle class and learn how to get ahead and not just get by
I love Tyler Karaszewski comment “I’d rather have a lifetime full of experiences and a moderately sized 401k than a *huge* 401k and have put off everything until age 60+.”
I had to tweet about it
August 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 am
Fortunately, I never had a particular moment in my life where I was thrust into dire straits financially. My story is more of the “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” sort. I grew up listening to my parents argue over money. How they never had enough, how they could never get ahead, so on and so on. Yet they never took the initiative to improve their situation. They lived paycheck to paycheck, never saved for retirement and would tremble at and berate the idea of investing no matter how conservative of a product was recommended. I knew from a very early age that I did not want to end up like them.
I went through a very rough patch during my freshman year of high school. My parents were on the verge of divorce and I was not handling it well at all. I truly believe that I would have ended up either dead or in jail if it was not for a man that I now refer to as my Godfather (Rich Dad). He was the father of one of my best friends at the time and took me under his wing. I learned a great deal about life, responsibility and more importantly, financial literacy and responsibility. He was big on saving and investing and I saw how carefree and relaxed my friends’ parents were. Her parents never argued about money and actually went on family trips together. I wanted that life.
I am now 30 years old, turning 31 next month and will be able to “retire” when I am 33. I will have a liquid net worth of over $1 million at that time without a penny of debt. Considering what I came from and where I will be I have no problems sharing (bragging) about my story to others. If I could do it so could anyone with enough determination.
I didn’t win the lottery, I didn’t inherit a fortune and I don’t even have a college degree. I never thought that you should have to start your adult life with $40K+ in student loans to pay off. That’s no way to get ahead. I finally bought a house this past April and will have the mortgage paid off this coming May.
Never let anyone tell you that you can’t do something. If you want it bad enough you can figure out a way to get it.
[Disclaimer: No laws were broken during my endeavors.]
August 22nd, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Early in our marriage I saw getting educated and taking charge of money as a way to contribute more financially.
My husband has always made much more money than I have, yet has always been an exceptionally frugal saver. It’s a little intimidating.
Saving money and reaching financial goals has lead to more trust between us. We’re both more likely to get what we need and want.
August 22nd, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I got to go through it twice.
Young and hot headed man of 24 and I get fired from a job I really liked. I’d lost jobs before but this was the first time as a “grown up.” Very quickly learned the credit card folks don’t care, they want their money. Five months later I go back to work for the same company and that summer I bought Peter Lynch’s “Learn to Earn.”
It opened my eyes to theoretically self evident concepts that had simply never dawned on me (don’t buy it if you can’t afford it type concepts, save your money…GENIUS!)
I hunkered down and cleaned it all up, lesson learned I proceeded with life.
not so fast.
Few years later, same company, I meet a lady. Oh yes. We decide to move to another state for better opportunities (ok, she decided to move to another state, etc. etc., you get the point.)
In my happily ignorant desire to give her whatever was needed to make our new life work out, I sink into debt, ugly debt. Not because I didn’t know but because I didn’t care. Ouch. Funny how the lessons learned don’t help you with that mindset in play.
No surprise where this is going, we split up. Over the course of a weekend I come to the frightening realization I have no money saved, I’m in deep, and I’m living in a house the rent for which is an entire paycheck.
I struggle to the end of the lease and move to a cheaper place. While forming a detailed, strategic, multi year battle plan against the debt that would do Patton proud, I stumbled on “The Richest Man in Babylon.”
I don’t know what it was about that book. I didn’t really learn anything not already known but it was a bona fide light from on high. I thought “to heck with this” and tossed out all the planning. “Forget multi year, this ends now.” I decided better to sacrifice a year or less of busting my hump and doing without than to pull that band-aid off over the course of years.
Dave Ramsey likes to speak of beans and rice….bah! Beans were a luxury during that marvelous time!
In just under a year, it was gone and my attitude changed forever.
I still read “The Richest Man in Babylon” about once every month or two, I like to think it keeps me honest.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:14 am
There were approximately 30+ wake up calls for me that I acknowledged & then ignored. But the one that actually got me moving was when I sat down with my excel spreadsheet budget (oh yes, I’d made a budget…and then not followed it at all) to figure out how to save $1000 in moving expenses in the coming year as I was finishing my degree. And realized that with my committed expenses (housing costs & credit card payments) combined with a modest budget for groceries and play money (not that I ever *stuck* to that budget…) that I couldn’t. There was no way that I could put away $1000 in a year with my current expenses.
I was 27 years old and couldn’t pull together $1000 in a year. YIKES. More than yikes. Panic.
With that, I finally realized just how far beyond my means I had been living for the past 6 years (grad school). I also realized that I had been justifying my irresponsibility with, “But I’m only 21! And I know people who are worse than me!” replacing “21″ with 23, and then eventually with 26. 5 years of not growing up at all? Not good.
So I broke my lease - I found someone to take the apartment & moved to a *much* cheaper apartment. In moving to that apartment, I downsized my life. I’m still going through some trial & error to find a monthly system that works for me, but I’m making progress. Moving somewhere with a higher cost of living scares the bejiminies out of me, but I’ll adjust & find a way to make it work because I am no longer satisfied with being personally or financially stagnant. Which was my own personal wake-up call.
August 24th, 2009 at 2:55 am
I got sick of being in debt and chasing the latest get quick rich scheme. Now out of debt and slowing investing for my future.
September 16th, 2009 at 7:56 am
For me it was getting married and creating a joint account with my husband. All of a sudden, after spending several thousand more than we had originally planned to on our wedding (not going into debt for it, though, thank goodness), we realized that we needed to figure out a better plan than living paycheck to paycheck.
I don’t remember exactly how it happened, but I remember creating a new gmail account for my married self, clicking over to Google Reader, and realizing that I could completely start over with my RSS feeds. I had tried, several years ago to subscribe to feeds, but couldn’t make any sense of it at the time. I think I just wasn’t ready.
In any case, I subscribed to two feeds for sites that I already visited regularly, and then one of those sites mentioned something about financial planning, and then I subscribed a financial blog, then two, then four, and then I was reading books and budgeting and all sorts of crazy stuff.
My husband and I (we’ve only been married for six months) are still working out the nitty gritty details of our finances and paying down our debt (credit cards, car loans, and student loans), but we’re spending less than we earn and have yet to have a fight about money, which can’t be a bad thing, right?
September 16th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Oddly enough, my “financial wake up call” happened when I was in 2nd grade. Our class went on a field trip and before I left that morning, my mother gave me $20 (quite a LOT for a child and I felt RICH!) So, when we were done with the learning portion of the trip and went to the gift shop, I felt like I could buy something for everyone in my family. When I attempted to do so, I forgot to add up the cost in my head before checking out. You can guess what happened .. I didn’t have enough money.
As a shy child, I was quite mortified and my teacher kindly loaned me enough to complete my purchase. But, the embarrassment and shame I felt at needing to borrow money has stuck with me to this day. I vowed never to be caught in that situation again.
While at the time I was thinking of counting my pennies at the sticker store, the thought of never being caught short carried through to using credit cards as well as investments. I am not great with money, but I have never carried credit card debt and always save for the future.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
My wake up call occurred when I left my job at an accounting firm for a job in finance at a very good company. When I was in salary negotiations, I finally sat back and realized just how much I was making and how great my benefits were but then I looked around and had nothing to show for it - just a bunch of stuff that I didn’t even like and experiences that I couldn’t afford. I was making great money but still had about $10,000 in cc debt and $9,000 in an auto loan. I vowed then and there to get my head together. I put together a budget and took Financial Peace University and now I am debt free (except the mortgage).
I would like to add some discussion on the delayed gratification topic… I racked up a lot of my cc debt going on trips - Europe, DC, California and so on. I am so thankful that I went on those trips because it made me a more interesting and deeper person however I am still cursing myself for not saving up and paying cash! My boyfriend and I are currently saving up to take an overseas trip sometime in the next couple years but you can bet that I’ll pay cash for that one.
I think there needs to be a balance. I think that if you have a healthy savings habit going (funding your 401k and Roth as well as an Emergency fund) then you should save up for the fun stuff. Travel and experiences with friends and family are what make life so enjoyable. So don’t do in to debt but still find a way to have balance and enjoy life.
September 17th, 2009 at 10:06 am
I’m a bit late to the discussion, but it was being widowed in my 40s with a child still in High School that turned things around for me.
My late husband had only modest life insurance (due to his medial condition) and there were some fairly substantial medical bills and his final expenses. (10% of huge medical bills is still a LOT of money.)
I turned it around, paid off debt and did some needed defered maintainence on the house with what remained after the above bills. I’ve been debt free for several years now and am living more carefully and yet much more stable now than when W was alive on just my own income.
September 17th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Lordy be! Reading all the comments on this post just gave me another “aha” moment. I graduated from college debt free, thanks to scholarships and working on campus to meet my other needs. I had my first credit card as a sophomore with a limit of $500 and no money sense whatsoever. Looking back, the only thing that saved me then was my strict adherance to paying bills by the due date…its what still keeps me afloat even now.
Fast forward four months after I graduated from college. I got a credit card with a $4k limit, needed a car and found out I could transfer money from the cc to my checking account! Oh happy day! I paid cash for my first car from the balance transfer. Then my dad got sick so I had my credit limit increased and did yet another balance transfer. Before I knew it I was $12k in cc debt! I got lucky in that I got a new job, a fat bonus,a roommate and a weekend job and paid all that debt off in less than a year.
Because I didn’t have a plan for life after debt, I ended up in the same situation again in a just a few months. Only now I am in way over my head. I financed a car for $12k, bought a fixer upper at a good deal..BUT I used yet another balance transfer to cover the downpayment AND I charged most of the repair expenses telling myself I’ll pay then off with the 10% house tax credit. My brother wrecked my $12k car so I traded it in and got one for $27k…and used the money that was meant to pay off the house repairs as down payment. Then my company stopped doing tuition reimbursement so I took a loan for my first year of graduate school. Now on my second year I wasn’t able to find a cosigner…and I don’t qualify for Federal loans so I decided to charge. If I take a break now I’ll never go back…plus having an MBA will help me move up with my current employer or even out to a better paying position. Then I felt that I needed to dress for the job that I wanted and ended up charging that too.
So here I am, and it just dawned on me I’m sinking…and all my debt apathy has done is to continue digging the hole I am in deeper and deeper. So I am far from being better…but I do want to get better now for real. And this time I will work on having a plan for life after debt. That is what tripped me.