Money is More About Mind Than It Is About Math
Published on - September 28th, 2009 (Modified on - December 29th, 2009) (by J.D. Roth) This is the first of a fourteen-part series that explores the core tenets of Get Rich Slowly.
I had a group of old high-school friends over to the house last weekend. As the daylight faded and the cool of the evening settled, we sat around a blazing fire talking about life. We shared the good things we’ve done over the past twenty years — and we shared the bad. Inevitably, the conversation turned to money.
- One woman confessed that she’s a shopaholic. When she feels stressed, she buys things. To prevent her husband from finding out, she’s the one who pays the bills.
- Another woman has more clothes than she will ever wear. Her closets are packed so full that she’s begun to pile new purchases on the floor — but still she buys more.
- One of my friends admitted that he’s sunk thousands of dollars into online videogames. After his divorce, he spent years addicted to his computer. (He’s now turning things around: He quit gaming cold-turkey and is re-discovering friends and exercise.)
- I told my own story of how I used to buy books and clothes and compact discs compulsively. “I’d bring them home and never use them,” I said. “I just liked the act of buying. It gave me a sense of power, I guess.”
Each of us had a story about how we’d done dumb things with money. In every instance, these dumb things were the product of some psychological or emotional impulse. We weren’t acting rationally. We’re smart folks — when we were in high school together, we were in the college-prep classes together — and we understand the mathematics of our choices, but we make them anyhow. Why?
Because smart money management is more about mind than it is about math.
The psychology of money
For years, the “expert” advice on personal finance has assumed that we act like machines, that we will always choose the mathematically optimal option. I’ve read countless personal finance books filled with advice that is technically correct, but which forgets the role our minds play in making financial decisions.
When discussing this notion — that financial success is more often influenced by personal psychology than by mathematical ability — I frequently cite Dave Ramsey’s debt snowball. It’s the perfect example of what I mean.
Critics of Ramsey are quick to point out that the math of his method doesn’t make sense. Going strictly by the numbers, it’s better to pay down debt by starting with the obligation that has the highest interest rate. The critics are right, of course, but they miss the point. In most cases, if we were being rational, we wouldn’t have accumulated the debt in the first place. Most of the time, debt isn’t a math problem — it’s a psychological problem. Because of that, Ramsey’s method — pay off the lowest balances first — makes more sense. It allows quick wins, which provide positive reinforcement, which provides a motivation to continue.
Here are some of the many other ways in which our minds play a role in money management:
- Any time we loan money to family or friends, emotion plays a role. And inheritances? In the past year, I’ve had three people tell me nightmare stories about families that have disintegrated while fighting over a parent’s estate. These are psychological and emotional battles, not battles about math.
- Marketing (and advertising) is the science of persuasion. It purposefully influences our spending habits — even if we think it doesn’t. When we reduce our exposure to advertising, it’s easier to spend less.
- I am in constant awe of what parents spend on their children. They want what’s best for their kids, and most of them aren’t afraid to pay for it. But it’s not rational to buy clothes at Baby Gap instead of at Goodwill.
- A lot of financial planning is about teaching the client to take emotion out of investing. Too many people make investment decisions based on psychological reactions to the economy and the stock market. It’s these emotional reactions that cause people to buy high and sell low.
- Every financial goal we set is based on our personal psychology, on emotion.
There’s a burgeoning body of research that explores the many ways in which money management is more mental than mathematical. “Behavioral finance” and “behavioral economics” are explored in books like Why Smart People Make Big Money Mistakes — and How to Correct Them [my review], Why Smart People Do Stupid Things With Money, Predictably Irrational, Nudge, and Your Money and Your Brain.
Take back your brain
We can never completely remove the emotional and psychological aspects of money management. Nor do I think we ought to. We’re humans, not robots. But I do think it’s important for us to reduce the negative emotional financial decisions as much as possible. Here are some of the best ways that I have learned to combat poor choices — to take back my brain:
- Reduce exposure to advertising. Many people believe they’re unaffected by advertising. Many people are wrong. As much as you can, avoid advertising. Watch less television (or watch it in a way that cuts out commercials). Skip magazine ads. Use an adblocker for your browser. The less advertising you see, the less you’ll be persuaded to buy things you do not need.
- Avoid temptation. When I was paying off my debt and trying to reduce my spending, I forced myself to stay away from book stores and comic shops. I knew that I lacked discipline. Rather than put myself in the path of temptation, I steered completely clear of it. If you’re tempted at malls, stay away from malls. If you often succumb to peer pressure, don’t go out for drinks with your friends. Stay away from the things that tempt you.
- Automate. One of the best ways to trick your mind is to simply take it out of the equation. If you find it difficult to make smart financial choices, remove the choice. Sign up for auto-billpay. Set up an automatic monthly transfer from your checking account to your savings account. If you have access to an employer-sponsored retirement plan, take advantage of it. When you make things automatic, you cannot be sabotaged by emotion or psychology.
- Practice mindfulness. When you’re tempted to make a purchase, pause. Take thirty seconds to ask yourself if you truly need the thing you’re about to buy. If it’s a big purchase, force yourself to wait thirty days. Track every penny you spend so that you become aware of your weaknesses.
- Read. Better education has helped me fight some of my mental flaws. The more I read about stock market investing, for example, the more convinced I am that making regular investments into index funds is the only way that I’m going to be a successful investor. It takes the emotion out of the equation.
I’m not sure what will happen with the friends I saw last weekend. Maybe some of them will continue to make the same financial mistakes. Maybe some of them will turn things around. But I do know this: The answers to their problems will not come from a better understanding of compound interest or another explanation that it’s important to spend less than you earn. While these concepts are important, they’re purely mathematical. In order for my friends to manage their money, they need to go beyond math — they need to master their minds.
This is the first of a fourteen-part series that explores my financial philosophy. Other parts include:
- Tenet #1: Money is more about mind than it is about math
- Tenet #2: The road to wealth is paved with goals
- Tenet #3: To build wealth, you must spend less than you earn
- Tenet #4: Pay yourself first
- Tenet #5: Small amounts matter
- Tenet #6: Large amounts matter, too
- Tenet #7: Do what works for you
- Tenet #8: Slow and steady wins the race
- Tenet #9: The perfect is the enemy of the good
- Tenet #10: Failure is okay
- Tenet #11: Financial balance lets you enjoy tomorrow and today
- Tenet #12: Nobody cares more about your money than you do
- Tenet #13: Action beats inaction
- Tenet #14: It’s more important to be happy than to be rich
These are the core tenets of Get Rich Slowly. I intend to publish a new installment in this series every Monday.
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Very interesting post. Looking forward for the rest of the series!
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“The more I read about stock market investing, for example, the more convinced I am that making regular investments into index funds is the only way that I’m going to be a successful investor. It takes the emotion out of the equation.”
Bingo. Not only do index funds make sense from a mathematical standpoint, they make sense from a psychological one as well. With index funds, it’s easy to understand (and have confidence in) what you own.
Personally, I invest in the world economy. And I’m overwhelmingly confident that, over time, that economy will continue to produce goods and services of value and sell them for a profit. I’m happy to just take a share of that.
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The biggest part of any issue is realizing you have a problem, be it with money, drugs, the way we deal with others, etc. We don’t often come to that realization without something external forcing us to realize it, because typically the way we’ve been doing things to date has been “working”, no matter how disfunctionally it’s been limping along.
So until you get something making you think about things differently, you tend to march the same path, even if it’s become a deep rut leading you right towards the edge of a cliff.
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Spending money and eating food are the hardest addictions to overcome because you still have to do them to survive. You can’t just give up either one of them completely like you can with drugs or pornography.
I believe one way to look at it is to say that over-spending and over-eating are the addiction, not spending and eating.
Anyways, thanks for the thought-provoking post. I enjoyed it a lot.
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This is looking like a great series, so I do hope you follow through J.D.!
I’m hoping to be aware of all my money habits, good and bad, before I start making more than I am now. That way, I can monitor the bad ones, work on the good ones, and hopefully end up better for it in the end. The hardest thing to remember is that I haven’t even gotten started yet, really!! (I realized last night that I do try to act like I’m much older than my age, but without all the stuff that goes with it — mostly the higher income.)
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All decisions are psychological, financial decisions included. They are not more psychological than mathematical; that’s an odd thing to say. Behavioral economists wouldn’t and don’t say that. They also wouldn’t suggest that shopping at Baby Gap or using the debt snowball isn’t rational. Classical economists would say that though, and they’re the ones who use strict assumptions about economic man. Behavioral economics shows us that the assumptions underlying classical economics are not realistic given how humans behave, but not less rational; it’s simply not the model they prefer.
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You hammered this nail on the head. So many people feel like going on a budget is GIVING UP control and taking away all the fun. It is so the opposite. Budgeting is GAINING CONTROL and allowing us to feel true, long-term joy in how we spend the money we earn instead of a short-term rush and long-term regret.
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While most people tell you that automizing is the way to go, I actually prefer to do everything myself. I feel more in control when I make payments and pay bills manually.
I have no problems with it either. I have both a long term and short term plan and stick to it extremely well.
Maybe I’m a control freak but it works best for me this way.
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Nice one JD
I liked the ways you suggested to be in control of things like staying away from Ads and controlling the temptations.
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Jonan (#6),
That’s an interesting perspective, because I feel exactly the opposite in my own situation.
I’m a recovering control freak and when I switched to automating my finances (auto bill pay, auto savings transfers, etc.) I was able to increase my savings rate by nearly 100%.
Of course, it didn’t start out like that and there were some bumps in the road along the way, but after switching over, it became much easier to gradually bump up my savings rate.
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You re so right on in this post that it’s scary, J.D.
You get it that in the spending area advertising appeals to our emotions and our emotions, not our logic, control our decision-making.
I ask that you open your mind to the idea that the same phenomenon applies in the investing area. Passive Investing is the product of the marketing departments of the big mutual fund companies. There has never been a time in the history of the market when valuations did not affect the long-term value proposition of stocks and there never will be one.
We need blogs like this one reporting realitically on what we have learned in the past 30 years about how stock investing works in the real world. It does not work at all in the way described by those promoting the marketing slogans of The Stock-Selling Industry.
Price matters when buying stock just as it does when buying cars and comic books and bananas. When the day comes when we are all able to say that out loud at all blogs, we will together change the history of investing. I very much look forward to that magic day.
Rob
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I have to agree with the eating part, I lose a lot of money in the grocery store. I have a hard time with following a list and sticking to it, even though that is what the experts say to use. I guess I am a “good deal” freak. The grocery store is my weakness. I say I am only going to buy these items but I come out with much more and I have spent more than I planned, most items that I bough were excellent sales but I just can’t seem to get over the grocery budget part of the equation, I always spend more. Even though I have stuff in my cupboards at home I should be using up.
ugghh! Maybe I am being unrealistic with my grocery budget and I should be funding more to it, I am not really sure. But you have to eat and you have to buy groceries so that is what makes this one hard.
As far as the adds, I have gotten a handle on that one, I stand right over my garbage can once a day and toss all of the junk mail, that is right, I don’t even browse through I just toss it. There is always a good deal somewhere I tell my self if I could only stay out of the grocery store!!
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@rdzins – Maybe it’s time to try the Eating Down the Fridge challenge. I think Kim O’Donnel coined the phrase (currently at culinate.com and trueslant.com). The point is to skip grocery shopping for one week and just use what you’ve got on hand in the refrigerator and your cupboards. You don’t stock up ahead, just start from wherever you are. Instead of buying ingredients for a meal you’ve planned, you plan meals around the ingredients you’ve got.
The benefits are saving a little money, challenging your creativity for cooking, and reducing the waste of things that might otherwise be thrown out.
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Right on! The 80/20 rule applies; 80% BEHAVIOR, only 20% knowledge.
Advertising and Marketing companies (especially credit card companies) KNOW this. Take a look at the documentary ‘Maxed Out.’
Food for thought…
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I once read a great article about changing habits. (I apologize that it was so long ago that I have no clue how to find it) It said that we learn not to touch hot stoves because the result–a painful burn–has zero positive reward for us. But with other actions that are just as obviously bad for us, such as being irresponsible with money or eating foods that we know are unhealthy, there is actually some emotional or physical upside to the action, which is why it’s so difficult to break ourselves of those habits.
The trick to changing a bad habit, stated the article, was to figure out what positive reward you are getting from whatever habit you want to change, and work on finding a substitute for that. I think that’s why I like reading PF blogs now. Reading suggestions of ways to have fun without spending money or descriptions of how having less stuff actually makes it easier to care for a house really helps me keep the motivation up for not buying useless stuff.
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Great start. Will you be looking at how to take emotion out of financial decisions?
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It all comes down to having a clear-cut and detailed operations plan ahead of time. When you have a detailed method for managing your budget (like the envelope system) or your investing (like an allocated percentage of various index funds that you rebalance once a year), it’s much easier to do the right thing than if you had no plan at all.
Thinking about it in the heat of battle is what causes people to go astray. If you’re at the store looking at that merchandise, but you don’t have a clear budget and you don’t know how much you have left to spend on it, it’s sooo much easier to be led by your emotions.
If you don’t set up these systems ahead of time, the rational side of you will have nothing to work with when your emotional side is screaming “buy buy buy!!!” or “sell sell sell!!!” (whatever the case may be).
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@thebeave: Usually I think you are right, but in the PF world that changes depending on what “stage” you are in (as defined by JD). At first, its alot more simple math (no way to get around your income having to exceed your spending, right?) then its almost all mental (not spending, changing lifestyle, etc.), then its more balanced (though the math becomes harder
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I applaud JD’s article, but we *all* have to remember that you just cant take the math out of it.
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This article summarized many conversations I’ve had with my broke friends! While my family has followed the path advocated by you and Dave Ramsey, many of our friends have allowed their emotions and their “I want it now” attitudes to run their life.
Don’t get me wrong, we’ve made plenty of immature financial mistakes along the way. But today we are debt-free (other than our mortgage), sitting on a sizable emergency fund and getting ready to buy our next car for cash.
I actually just wrote a blog post giving guidance about buying your first house. I fully expect to hear criticism that I am advocating too conservative of an approach. I’ll just continue to fight the good fight and try to help people see where they could make better decisions with their finances and in their marriage (and help them see how the two are connected).
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I love the debt snowball concept, which I first read about on GRS. My husband didn’t quite get it at first but hey, I pay the bills;)
Nowadays, I’m “practicing mindfulness” regarding my purchases…I only wish I didn’t get into the pattern of “retail therapy” years ago! What a dangerous phrase!
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I had to automate my bill paying, or I never would have caught up on paying them. I’m often either too lazy/frustrated/busy to pay my bills – thank goodness for automated systems!
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All good tips, JD. And it is so true regarding the debt snowball. I only had 2 debts (now paying down the second), but I found that eliminating the smaller one faster really gave me the boost I needed to tackle my larger, higher interest debt. I find the less debts you have to worry about, the easier it is. And I 100% agree with the idea that if people were rational, they wouldn’t get into debt in the first place.
I find avoiding temptation works, too. One thing I like to do is leave my credit cards at home. I’ve done this for the past year or so and it definitely makes you think about purchases a lot more. I don’t even miss my credit cards, and I think when I get out of debt, I might still leave the cards at home!
I also try to think on purchases for a few days. I really liked this coat that was $120 – not all that much, but too much for someone in debt. I was going to buy it because it looked great and was a good price, but I told myself that if I REALLY wanted it, I could come back for it. Did I end up buying it? Nope.
Looking forward to the rest of this series.
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The big learning from your post is that just having adequate knowledge is not enough to manage your money. You also need to be aware of your attitudes, values, motives, self confidence to manage your money.
The question I have is: “What would be the attitude, motives, values competencies for effective money management?
I can think of a few like risk taking ability, ability to analyse opportunities, long term orientation, etc.
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I used to spend a decent amount of money when I was stressed about things. For example, night before the ACT I went to a few stores and spent about $60. Not a ton, but some of it was unnecesary. Now I try to recognize this and control it. Instead of going and buying a bunch of stuff, I might just treat myself to a chipotle burrito or a DQ Blizzard and go watch a dvd I bought but never used.
The key is to identify our habits with money and control them. Not necesarily cut them out (tho I think the guy who quit online games made a good choice) but minimize the “damage.”
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JD – I’m surprised that you would encourage people to use and adblocker with their browser. If too many people do that, how will you earn a living? I’m not being sarcastic and I’m not trying to be rude. But you don’t charge your readers so how else can you earn money? (Of course I have to admit, I’m a daily reader and I never click through any ads. I hope this doesn’t make me a free-loader!!)
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This is the quality writing and deep thinking that will take you from blog to book. Books are something we return to again and again because of the depth of their truisms. Blogs don’t always hit that high a mark. Keep up the strong writing!
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I’m glad you look at emotions as well as math.
But in my case, I didn’t get into debt because of irrationality; I did it because of ignorance. I didn’t realize there were alternatives. It never occurred to me it could be possible to go to college without student loans. It took me a while to learn that ten-year-old cars can be reliable. That thrift stores have just as many things I like as malls do (not many). That certain kinds of things can be fixed instead of trashed. That some things we pay others for aren’t that hard to do well ourselves.
Thank goodness I learned in school how to read and how to do math, so I can read the fine print, compare interest rates of loans and understand their costs.
I have had some areas of irrationality (many, but only a few in finance) such as not paying for rare things with good return (such as climbing to the top of the Arc D’Triomph or getting any really cool decorative things for my house besides wall hangings) and such as buying something I didn’t really want much because someone gave me money. But mostly I’d rather just learn about more alternatives.
It’s still good to reduce my exposure to advertising (showing me only the most expensive alternatives). To avoid temptation (showing me the expensive alternatives). To automate (so I don’t forget). To practice mindfulness (to remind myself of my priorities and see where my current ideas fit in before jumping into action). To read (to find more alternatives).
Another idea is to expose yourself to the ideas that are good for you (good peer pressure). I periodically re-read The Tightwad Gazette when I need to inoculate myself from advertising, for example.
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Great post, JD! We each recognize ourselves in what you’ve written. My strategy is to stay out of clothing stores – if I feel I “need” something I write it down to shop for at a later date. Generally when I look at the list later, I no longer have a desire for the item. It’s truly about mind games – if we can disrupt the thought patterns we have, we can triumph over those thoughts/desires.
A recent trick of mine is to ask myself, will having this item make me feel better about myself? Will not having it make me feel worse about myself? Try it!
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You are so right about the advertising.’
I consider myself an intellectual, immune from cultural pressure. However, when we moved into our current home, it still had cable television. I never realized how much advertising affects you, even when you KNOW what the point of advertising is. I would be watching television, see a pizza advertisement and crave a pizza.
Fortunately, it was turned off a few month after we moved in. Now I wonder why I just didn’t leave it off or disconnect it….
Currently, we have no cable and the thought of paying for television causes shudders up our spines.
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I am amazed at how much less I desire stuff since we cutout cable. We’ve gone without TV for almost a year now and I have no desire to buy anything! Thank goodness my wife grocery shops!!
Remove the ad’s and you will be shocked at how much they were controlling you…
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Great post. I hope more people start to understand that it’s not as easy as “stop buying” or “stop eating junk food.” The sooner they get that, the sooner they’ll be on the right road.
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Good post; I especially like the point that debt is most often a psychological problem.
Have you visited the personal-finance website Five Cent Nickel? Just came across it and it seems pretty good.
http://www.fivecentnickel.com
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A lot of money is the mindset, the whole act of shopping is a created mindset, and then buying more expensive items. that is where big money is spent on marketing.
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JD,
I’m glad to see this type of article. This is exactly what we need to hear in this consumption based society. Nothing wrong with consumption but we need to pay attention to what we buy.
Keep up the good work.
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I stole this paragraph from Arron Swartz’ blog (http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/). He in turn is quoting “General Theory of Employment, Money, and Interest” by John Maynard Keynes:
It’s not 100% applicable to this post, but I think it’s interesting in the context of your friends’ consumption stories at the top of the post.
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we live in a service society – that is most jobs rely on consumer spending, like comic books, togo foods, cellphones, books, clothing, magazines, etc.. Most if not all consumer spending is derived from wants, as opposed to needs. What happens to our economic axis once most spenders switch to savers?
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@Kevin (#25): I thought ad blockers only banned pop-up ads. I don’t think JD uses any pop-ups. Your post reminded me that JD does rely a lot on advertising income… maybe I will click his ads more often to show my gratitude for his site
In my opinion, advertising in general affects everyone – no matter what people say. You can control what you buy, however. I got myself into spending trouble in the past, but I have wised up and only buy what I really want, and know when to stop.
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Heh.. it’s so true that removing the ads removes the temptation. I haven’t owned a TV for 5 years now, plus I use Ad Blocker on my browser. I don’t go to the mall unless I absolutely have to (like for an eye appointment at Sears). I get almost no advertising, and thus, I buy very little. I also track every penny I spend, which is extremely helpful (everyone should do this.. it’s very eye-opening).
Great article.
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“But it’s not rational to buy clothes at Baby Gap instead of at Goodwill.”
Having just had to break down and do some real kid shopping after several years of just Goodwill and hand-me-downs for the kids.
Actually, sometimes it *is* rational to do so, if it means getting the kid 3 decent outfits that go together instead of piddling away $3 and $4 at a time buying a selection of used clothes that send you shopping some more to make up outfits.
I’ve never used Baby Gap but we did make a run to Children’s Place for stuff that wasn’t crappy– the girl is now wearing her clothes long enough for them to wear out, and Children’s place has these great expandable/reducible waistbands. Which for a kid who is size 10-12 in lengths but 6 in the waist…
Anyway, I think you’ve posted about this before: that *sometimes*, but only sometimes, one or two high quality new basics in something are a better deal than getting used/low quality stuff if you have to buy in quantity.
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Great post. I certainly agree about taking back the brain. If we can train our minds to block out adverts and be mindfulness about any purchase, then I think we are well on the way.
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Nice post JD. If you haven’t read “THE NUMBER”, go for it. It’s a great read, and talks all about the mind of money.
The longer I live, the more I realize education is key.
Cheers
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@ebyt (#37):
Your assumption is wrong. Adblockers for web browsers prevent most ads from loading even in the original page. When loading images for a web page, the adblocker will check to see if they come from a long list of known advertising sites, and if so, will simply not display the image.
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Great post! I’m looking forward to the next 12, too.
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Actually, buying children’s clothing retail isn’t a bad idea, if you do what my sister did. At the end of each season, she’d go to Baby Gap and buy the kids t-shirts or turtlenecks…in the size she knew they’d be in the following year, and put them away. She’d pay $3-5 for a brand new t-shirt at the Gap in August/September, to be used the following spring/summer. She also knew what day of the week the various stores would rotate and mark down their stock. So if she saw something she liked on the front rack at full price, she’d know when it would be moved and marked down to a price she was willing to pay. Obviously she sometimes lost out on an item, but I don’t ever remember her being upset at missing out.
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@Jenne 39: All you have to do is buy BabyGap items FROM Goodwill! That’s the trick.
When you shop at thrift stores, you don’t buy stuff just because it’s cheap. You find high quality items that also happen to be cheap. That’s the beauty of it. It’s not like other things where you have to buy something expensive to get good quality. I shop almost exclusively at thrift shops and 90% of the items I buy are brands like Gap, LL Bean, The Limited, etc.
Most thrift stores have huge racks of every color clothing. So I’ve never found that buying from thrift stores causes me to go shop elsewhere to buy things to make ‘outfits’. I don’t have kids, but as a kid, I don’t think I knew what an ‘outfit’ was. I just made sure I had on a shirt and pants every day.
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@quinsy 45:
I don’t have kids but I’ve noticed that the thrift stores in my area (notably Goodwill) have outrageous prices! You can do better by buying on sale at places like old navy, gap, target, etc. I’m in SF Bay Area, btw.
I do know that your money goes toward vocational training but just making a point that prices vary around the country…
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I’ve always wondered, before the days of credit cards, lines of credit, payday loans, over draft protection if people had these same “addictions.” Would there be a closet full of clothes, or daily trips to the mall or a gaming addiction. I mean, when the well is dry, it’s dry. Right?
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Yardsales, my people, yardsales for children’s clothes and others. I nearly had a heart attack when I walked into the Motherhood store and the cheapest thing on their clearance rack was twenty dollars. I went to a yardsale and bought several pieces for two dollars per piece. I don’t see paying a lot of money for something I’m only going to need for a few months at a time or something that a kid is going to outgrow or destroy in even less time.
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@Tyler (42): Interesting! That must suck for those relying on advertising income.
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Frugality is a mindset–a very shaky one at that. You have to have the mindset or it just won’t work. Great post.
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