Money is More About Mind Than It Is About Math
Published on - September 28th, 2009 (Modified on - December 29th, 2009) (by J.D. Roth) This is the first of a fourteen-part series that explores the core tenets of Get Rich Slowly.
I had a group of old high-school friends over to the house last weekend. As the daylight faded and the cool of the evening settled, we sat around a blazing fire talking about life. We shared the good things we’ve done over the past twenty years — and we shared the bad. Inevitably, the conversation turned to money.
- One woman confessed that she’s a shopaholic. When she feels stressed, she buys things. To prevent her husband from finding out, she’s the one who pays the bills.
- Another woman has more clothes than she will ever wear. Her closets are packed so full that she’s begun to pile new purchases on the floor — but still she buys more.
- One of my friends admitted that he’s sunk thousands of dollars into online videogames. After his divorce, he spent years addicted to his computer. (He’s now turning things around: He quit gaming cold-turkey and is re-discovering friends and exercise.)
- I told my own story of how I used to buy books and clothes and compact discs compulsively. “I’d bring them home and never use them,” I said. “I just liked the act of buying. It gave me a sense of power, I guess.”
Each of us had a story about how we’d done dumb things with money. In every instance, these dumb things were the product of some psychological or emotional impulse. We weren’t acting rationally. We’re smart folks — when we were in high school together, we were in the college-prep classes together — and we understand the mathematics of our choices, but we make them anyhow. Why?
Because smart money management is more about mind than it is about math.
The psychology of money
For years, the “expert” advice on personal finance has assumed that we act like machines, that we will always choose the mathematically optimal option. I’ve read countless personal finance books filled with advice that is technically correct, but which forgets the role our minds play in making financial decisions.
When discussing this notion — that financial success is more often influenced by personal psychology than by mathematical ability — I frequently cite Dave Ramsey’s debt snowball. It’s the perfect example of what I mean.
Critics of Ramsey are quick to point out that the math of his method doesn’t make sense. Going strictly by the numbers, it’s better to pay down debt by starting with the obligation that has the highest interest rate. The critics are right, of course, but they miss the point. In most cases, if we were being rational, we wouldn’t have accumulated the debt in the first place. Most of the time, debt isn’t a math problem — it’s a psychological problem. Because of that, Ramsey’s method — pay off the lowest balances first — makes more sense. It allows quick wins, which provide positive reinforcement, which provides a motivation to continue.
Here are some of the many other ways in which our minds play a role in money management:
- Any time we loan money to family or friends, emotion plays a role. And inheritances? In the past year, I’ve had three people tell me nightmare stories about families that have disintegrated while fighting over a parent’s estate. These are psychological and emotional battles, not battles about math.
- Marketing (and advertising) is the science of persuasion. It purposefully influences our spending habits — even if we think it doesn’t. When we reduce our exposure to advertising, it’s easier to spend less.
- I am in constant awe of what parents spend on their children. They want what’s best for their kids, and most of them aren’t afraid to pay for it. But it’s not rational to buy clothes at Baby Gap instead of at Goodwill.
- A lot of financial planning is about teaching the client to take emotion out of investing. Too many people make investment decisions based on psychological reactions to the economy and the stock market. It’s these emotional reactions that cause people to buy high and sell low.
- Every financial goal we set is based on our personal psychology, on emotion.
There’s a burgeoning body of research that explores the many ways in which money management is more mental than mathematical. “Behavioral finance” and “behavioral economics” are explored in books like Why Smart People Make Big Money Mistakes — and How to Correct Them [my review], Why Smart People Do Stupid Things With Money, Predictably Irrational, Nudge, and Your Money and Your Brain.
Take back your brain
We can never completely remove the emotional and psychological aspects of money management. Nor do I think we ought to. We’re humans, not robots. But I do think it’s important for us to reduce the negative emotional financial decisions as much as possible. Here are some of the best ways that I have learned to combat poor choices — to take back my brain:
- Reduce exposure to advertising. Many people believe they’re unaffected by advertising. Many people are wrong. As much as you can, avoid advertising. Watch less television (or watch it in a way that cuts out commercials). Skip magazine ads. Use an adblocker for your browser. The less advertising you see, the less you’ll be persuaded to buy things you do not need.
- Avoid temptation. When I was paying off my debt and trying to reduce my spending, I forced myself to stay away from book stores and comic shops. I knew that I lacked discipline. Rather than put myself in the path of temptation, I steered completely clear of it. If you’re tempted at malls, stay away from malls. If you often succumb to peer pressure, don’t go out for drinks with your friends. Stay away from the things that tempt you.
- Automate. One of the best ways to trick your mind is to simply take it out of the equation. If you find it difficult to make smart financial choices, remove the choice. Sign up for auto-billpay. Set up an automatic monthly transfer from your checking account to your savings account. If you have access to an employer-sponsored retirement plan, take advantage of it. When you make things automatic, you cannot be sabotaged by emotion or psychology.
- Practice mindfulness. When you’re tempted to make a purchase, pause. Take thirty seconds to ask yourself if you truly need the thing you’re about to buy. If it’s a big purchase, force yourself to wait thirty days. Track every penny you spend so that you become aware of your weaknesses.
- Read. Better education has helped me fight some of my mental flaws. The more I read about stock market investing, for example, the more convinced I am that making regular investments into index funds is the only way that I’m going to be a successful investor. It takes the emotion out of the equation.
I’m not sure what will happen with the friends I saw last weekend. Maybe some of them will continue to make the same financial mistakes. Maybe some of them will turn things around. But I do know this: The answers to their problems will not come from a better understanding of compound interest or another explanation that it’s important to spend less than you earn. While these concepts are important, they’re purely mathematical. In order for my friends to manage their money, they need to go beyond math — they need to master their minds.
This is the first of a fourteen-part series that explores my financial philosophy. Other parts include:
- Tenet #1: Money is more about mind than it is about math
- Tenet #2: The road to wealth is paved with goals
- Tenet #3: To build wealth, you must spend less than you earn
- Tenet #4: Pay yourself first
- Tenet #5: Small amounts matter
- Tenet #6: Large amounts matter, too
- Tenet #7: Do what works for you
- Tenet #8: Slow and steady wins the race
- Tenet #9: The perfect is the enemy of the good
- Tenet #10: Failure is okay
- Tenet #11: Financial balance lets you enjoy tomorrow and today
- Tenet #12: Nobody cares more about your money than you do
- Tenet #13: Action beats inaction
- Tenet #14: It’s more important to be happy than to be rich
These are the core tenets of Get Rich Slowly. I intend to publish a new installment in this series every Monday.
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I just wanna put this out there. I think you should write an article on how older (children) T.V. shows used to talk about economics, credit cards , and debt.For example
Dinosaurs ( remember “I’m the baby gotta love me” ?). Rocko’s Modern Life’s first episode “Who Give$ a Buck” is about credit card debt. Check out Dinosaurs Season 3 Episode 13, lol WeSaySo corporation fires all of the tree pushers and it talks about recession. I think there was an episode of Sesame street that talks bout the economy some as well.
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@people worried about JD’s income:
The generally accepted rule is don’t click on the ads unless you are interested in whatever is being advertised. Clicks that game the system can cause people to be thrown out of ad programs.
Thinking about advertising reminds me that everyone is affected by it. I usually guess that people who claim not to be affected are kidding themselves. I try and avoid ads, but I believe that Orange are the best mobile phone company and have done for 10 years – based on no hard evidence, just influenced by their adverts.
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This gets under my skin, so I’ll post trying to stay as “rational” as possible. Namely, the idea that somehow, it’s more virtuous to go shop at thrift stores (especially for something like children’s clothes).
There are lower-cost alternatives to Baby Gap without going to Goodwill where you can buy new. Like Target and (gasp) Wal-Mart.
It comes down to this — it’s a PERSONAL CHOICE whether to shop at thrift stores. It works for some people. It doesn’t for others. That doesn’t make one person more “rational” than the other. Yes, I’m offended by that choice of language. It’s really poor wording. I thought this site was all about personal choice in finance.
Personally, it would never happen for me to shop for clothing at thrift stores by choice. Just not going to happen. I GIVE my clothing to thrift stores. I do NOT shop there. I made choices in my life to insure that I wouldn’t have to shop at thrift stores if I didn’t want to. I DON’T WANT TO!!! That doesn’t mean I’m extravagent. It does not mean I’m IRRATIONAL. I am very good at buying new clothes on sale, and I don’t buy clothes very often.
If you want to buy clothing for yourself or your children at Goodwill, I really don’t care. But don’t dare tell me you’re more RATIONAL because you do so. You aren’t.
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@Gina (#53)
I think you misunderstand me. I’m not saying that it’s bad or wrong that a person elects to shop at Baby Gap instead of Goodwill. And I’m not one who believes that everyone should shop at thrift stores. I understand that many people have no desire to do so.
But that’s my point. From a strictly mathematical perspective — a “rational” viewpoint — it doesn’t make sense to do anything else. It makes sense to buy quality clothes at the lowest prices possible, and a thrift store is the best way to do that.
You’re right that there are other ways to buy affordable clothing. No question. My point was that those parents who choose to clothe their toddlers in gear from Baby Gap (and I know some of these people) are not making decisions based on math. They’re making decisions based on emotion and psychology.
Perhaps “rational” was a poor word choice because its connotations can overwhelm its denotations. But it’s what I meant.
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JD, your response to Gina is simply not right. It might be, if the only value you have is maximal quality with minimal price, but you’re also often exchanging a good deal of time and variety by shopping at thrift stores. If I make $35 per hour and spend half an hour at a thrift store rifling through clothes to find what I want rather than 5 minutes running into the gap to get exactly what I want, opportunity costs are involved. My time might be better spent doing other things. Perhaps this is more complex than you want to get on the blog, but your use of “mathematical” and “rational” do imply something that you may not intend.
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@B (#55)
You’re right, of course. The time factor is important. But you’re also right that this is a more complex calculus than I had intended for this particular post!
The lesson is that I should be more careful, more precise with both my language and examples. I do my best, but sometimes I let something through…
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I’d always thought that one of the big advantages of having money–if you can control the emotional part of having it–would be to have simplicity in life. That would mean doing without a bunch of things.
In fact, I’d think that simplicity would be a major financial goal for a lot of people.
How cool would it be to have control of your finances, but not have a lot of stuff to worry about and control what you do?
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For me, it’s not only about getting a lower price, but also about making lifestyle choices that follow my belief structure.
It’s fine if other people want to shop in other places. I just will not patronize Walmart, Target or a plethora of other large companies, but that’s just me.
I like that I can support the local economy, contribute to work training programs for the educably mentally disabled and recycle at the same time.
However, I do not run my life from a strictly mathematical point of view. I will pay extra for food from local farmers who I know farm in a way I approve of. It’s all about what is important to you…not what is mathematically sound.
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@B,
The time value of money argument is misleading. It suggests that a person making $35 per hour would use work time (without pay) to shop at Goodwill, whereas in reality most people would shop around the working hours, when they are earning nothing.
“Time is money” is really only valid when the time spent results in a net loss of money. Outside of working hours, the opportunity cost generally doesn’t represent a dollar value, it represents a “I could be doing something else” value.
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@ Mike
Yup. I don’t take off of work to go shop at Goodwill. Your money is only worth what you get paid when someone is willing to pay you for it….unless you are self-employed, but that’s a different story all together.
Amy Daczyzyn explores that in the Tightwad Gazette.
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Amen, brother! Change in your finances only comes after change in your behavior, and so many folks totally underestimate that. This is something we seem to post about a lot and may deserve even more time. No feature on any credit card, no gimmick at your bank, no quick way out scheme is a substitute for behavior modification.
Advertising is an amazing thing. I’ve studied consumer behavior and applied those principles in various situations and found them successful. Conversely, when we only allowed our daughter to watch commercial-free TV (PBS Kids, Noggin), this amazing thing happened. Errr, didn’t happen – she didn’t beg for toys and cereal and all the other junk they push on kids.
An advancement in years doesn’t change the affect of advertising on people.
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Great post, but I still disagree with Ramsey’s suggestion to pay down smaller debts first. I understand the psychology of it, but a huge part of my falling hopelessly into debt was that I was not rational about my spending. Once I became rational, it then made sense to me to pay down the ones with the highest interest rates first.
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@yourfinances101 #62.
You raise a valid point. And, it’s one that I’ve wondered about. I think that once someone makes a strong commitment to pay off debt, it doesn’t really matter how they do it. Dave Ramsey says that the snowball method is better than paying the highest debt first. But how does he back up his claim. In reality, he doesn’t have to back it up. He just has to sell that concept to others. And he has done so quite successfully.
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I am with you on the grocery thing. I spend so much on groceries! I have been on a mission to undo this though….after learning some great advice in Jessica V. Psalidas’ latest book, “Financial Purity.” I am now learning about what vices have been stealing my money and how to make changes.
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I am sure that I am in control of my behavior around money, but the main problem is my wife. She is a shop addict and she is also addicted to commercials. I still cannot believe that some educated person can believe those stupid TV commercials. And she believes in almost any.
I cannot make her read any book or article about money saving or do anything that would change her attitude. So I hope that in next articles you will cover topics about how can we influence others to act right.
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@Ed #63
If you asked Dave, he would likely agree with you – “once someone makes a strong commitment to pay off debt, it doesn’t really matter how they do it”. He teaches the Debt Snowball because it is the most effective method from a standpoint of actually completing it.
In The Total Money Makeover he likens debt reduction to weight loss. If your first weight loss goal is to lose 30 lbs, then you are not very likely to succeed, even if you have the weight to lose. It’s just too lofty of a goal. Now if your first goal is to lose 3 lbs, then 5 more, then 5 more, then 10…. psychologically these goals are more attainable and after some quick wins, you’ll gain confidence and will be more likely to continue the plan. The Debt Snowball is no different.
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Thank you for this post, after I had lost three pregnancies in a row, I went out of control with my spending.
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I could not agree more with you. The academic community also agrees with you which is why behavioral finance has become such a big academic field. In a comment on another blog I compared shopaholics to other people who suffer from addictions, who experience similar highs and lows and who find it difficult to break the habit.
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completely agree with advertising. i completely want an iphone. i will not, will not, will not watch the commercials. since we currently have a dvr i zip right past them. i love new geeky things – they are one of my downfalls.
also, some how i stupidly gave the lasik company my personal email. i plan on getting lasik some day. when we’re out of debt and i can pay cash. but when that email showed up for one split second i fantasized about having it done now. i had to immediately delete that email.
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Agree with advertising. I put on a thick face and try to block it out even though it’s very hard to do. Thanks for the post
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Psychology of money is a great topic. Making decisions on how much money to spend on your kids is heavy with one’s own emotional baggage. Showing up at the first day of kindergarten with so many kids decked out in the most perfect little eco-friendly, cool outfits is hardest on the parent. There is more pressure to keep up with other parents than for kids to keep up with their friends.
Many of us are super-frugal in all aspects of life except our kids. I’m willing to spend all kinds of money on things that will give my child an opportunity in life (music lessons, language lessons, etc.), but I clamp down on spending on stuff.
My greatest frugal kid coup: my neighbor loves to shop for her daughter who is one year older than mine. Twice a year, when she cleans out the closets, I willingly pay her $50 for all the hand-me-downs I want. Often there are more than I could possibly use. I get to pay $100 for an entire years worth of clothes. Nice.
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@JD:
One thing you would have to convince me of, is that Goodwill is actually delivering “maximal quality” at “minimal price” as opposed to Baby Gap. I would contend that it does not, and cannot ever. Simply because by default, something that is used is going to have already had it’s “maximal quality” diminished relative to something brand new.
Let me state it this way. You buy a onesie at Baby Gap for $20. You go to Goodwill and find the same exact onesie for $1. You are saying it is rational to buy the Goodwill one.
I contend it is not. It’s still an emotional decision. Because the Goodwill one is used. It’s had some of its utilitarian value diminished already because it’s used. Maybe it’s stained. Maybe seams or hems are a little frayed. Maybe there is nothing visibly flawed about it, but it still has been used and therefore it still does not have comparable value to when it was sitting brand new in the Baby Gap store.
When you shop at Goodwill, you are still employing a set of emotional and psychological criteria to your purchase.
Now, if you leave Baby Gap, go into JC Penney, and find the same onsie selling brand new for $15 — THEN you have the opportunity to make the rational choice. Because the “maximal quality” there is comparable to what’s at Baby Gap.
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@Gina
Ummm, if you ever shopped in a Goodwill you would find there are many items that still have their pricetags on them. Most people don’t shop for used onesies anyway. I guess you have to enjoy the hunt to enjoy shopping at thrift stores. My MIL once bought a brand new pair of shoes (suggested retail $150) for $5 and our dining room table was found at one for a measly 10 bucks. Personally, I think anyone who pays $20 for one onesie is insane. You can get a whole pack at Target for under $15. Babies just stain them anyway.
The problem with shopping at thrift stores now is that so many more people are doing it because of the economy and more people are holding onto their stuff there is less to choose from. When all my debt is gone I will still shop at thrift stores.
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@Gina
$20 for a onesie? Seriously, they grow out of them in like 4 minutes. We’ve always outfitted our kids in used clothes, believe me – no one suffered. Besides, leave the Baby Gap and Gymboree stuff for relatives to buy.
We sold a bunch of kids clothes at a garage sale last month. Some of those will be on their 4th or 5th kid, and there is plenty of life left in those.
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@Gina,
JD gave you a reasonable explanation. Let it go. Nobody is judging you as irrational. He did not mean it.
It amounts to being a trade off.
Buy at thrift store = function of (opportunity cost, wear n tear, …)*SAVINGS*MINDSET.
Mindset is part of the Math !!!
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Although I am admittedly one of those people that sometimes like to point out where the math could be better when it comes to Dave Ramsey I do very much agree with your premise that good money management involves correct thinking and a correct mindset as well as the correct numbers.
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Families fighting over mone from estates is so terrible. Those battles never end
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For the record, I’ve never bought a onsie — I have no children. I don’t know what a reasonable price is for onsies. Maybe I should have said $5 at Baby Gap.
But, I will not let it go — he’s not excused for his rational comment. You may or may not be able to find brand new things at a thrift store. If you do, more power to you and sure then it’s the “rational” choice. If you are buying it USED at a thrift store, there is no way you can claim “maximal quality” as your criteria for feeling you’ve made a rational choice. It’s a ridiculous assertion.
That is my point. Shop thrift stores all you want. Stop feeling superior over it. You aren’t. You aren’t inherently more virtuous because you go to Goodwill instead of retail. (You also aren’t more inherently virtuous because you shop retail instead of Goodwill.) At Goodwill you’re there with the intent of buying USED stuff for cheaper than NEW, unless it’s your lucky day and you find new stuff at Goodwill. But you can’t count on finding the new stuff.
Just be honest about it.
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@ Mr NotTheJet:
I get the whole “kids grow out of it in a minute” argument, and it’s great that you are passing your clothes on to the nth child since it’s still got life in it. That isn’t my complaint at all.
Actually I think my point is humans NEVER behave rationally, we always behave emotionally. There are always value judgements in play. We delude ourselves if we think otherwise.
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@ Gina
Nah, you really weren’t far off when you said $20
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I’m sorry to sound dense, but I’m a little confused. How is buying used not maximizing value? I mean, my used stuff seems to last as long as my new stuff. Including the clothes. At the very least having bought used (or taken handmedowns) allows me to replace things more easily when they no longer fit my needs or stop being what I want. They are less to purchase up front, last as long and are less of a loss when I discard them.
I thought JD meant “irrational” in a more technical sense, not the looney tunes sense.
BTW, my neighbourhood thrift stores don’t put out ripped or stained clothes. Perhaps others are different.
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Thanks for a great article – I look forward to reading the rest of the series.
I wholeheartedly agree with the ‘mental’ side of money… that would be why I created the Money Mindset Mob!
Even though I’m not stunning at mathematics, at least I can learn to understand my numbers (and what emotions they raise for me).
Smiles,
Stuart
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WELL SAID!!! This article really helped me out – you have no idea – I’ve always felt I was smart but knew that my financial problems were not about smarts but my thinking and emotional stuff. You gave me some very very pointed help. Thank you. Mindfulness is something that I think I can use in several areas of my life – not just finances. Looking forward to the next installment.
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I think this post is right on. It’s also important to point out that in addition to practicing control and discipline when it comes to your finances, part of achieving financial success has to do with the way you think. This holds people back that would otherwise be able to achieve their goals in life and continue making progress on the road to financial prosperity.
People who are able to build wealth and accomplish the goals they set for themselves continuously think about the world differently than people who are complacent and find themselves stagnant instead of accelerating toward the life they want.
Differences in ways of thinking, such as feeling like you have control of your life vs. letting life “happen” to you, having the courage to embrace change instead of letting it hold you back, and being humble enough to constantly learn new things; are examples of mindset differences between those who will eventually have and those who will continue to have not.
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I appreciate your comments about money being more than an issue of money but of emotion. As I read and study about about people who are struggling with financial challenges you can see how emotion is so tied in with financial decisions. I also think if you can minimize the emotions of money you’ll be on the road to living within your means and being in charge of your financial life.
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Just a thought: Could you also link the next parts in the series within this article? It would make for much easier navigation. Thanks!
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How true. My life is still a mess because of this particular reason. It was so hard for me to my logical brain take action. My emotions always dominated my spending habits. Thank you very much for the tips you have provided.
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