Five Steps to Six Figures in Seven Years Print
Thursday, 15th October 2009 (by J.D.)This article is about Career
This is a guest post from FMF at Free Money Finance, a personal finance blog designed to help you grow your net worth. You can subscribe to Free Money Finance here.
Historically, “making six figures” has been to income earners what “becoming a millionaire” has been for those tracking their net worths — a lofty goal achieved by only a select few. And while neither a six-figure earner nor a millionaire can bask in the luxury they could a couple decades ago, there’s no doubt that earning over $100,000 a year still puts you in a select group.
In fact, the U.S. Census Bureau says that only 5.63% of individual income earners and only 17.8% of households had incomes of $100,000 or more in 2006. So despite the drop in purchasing power from the days of old, if you earn $100k or more each year, you’re still in an elite group.
How can you get into the six-figure club? There are many roads to this golden path (lottery, inheritance, take over a family business, etc.), but many, if not all, of these are out of your control. As such, I’m going to focus on what I consider to be the method that will give the most people the greatest chance of earning $100k or more — by developing a career and growing it over time. Specifically, I’m going to tell you how I got to six figures in seven years and how you can use these principles to do the same.
Words of warning
You’re probably skeptical. I’m okay with that at this point. Read on with an open mind and I think you’ll be pleased. And while I can assure you that the tips below are proven and repeatable, I must admit that they’re also challenging. Therefore I’d like to make the following perfectly clear before I get started:
There are exceptions to these principles. Probably many exceptions. Just as with any personal finance advice, people’s situations, skills, opportunities, personalities, likes, dislikes, and so on are different. What works for one person may or may not work for another. (As J.D. often says, “Do what works for you.”)
I’m cheating a bit. Just to be completely honest, the seven years noted in the title are post-college (in my case post grad school.) One could argue that those years of schooling should count towards earning six figures. If you’d like to count them, go ahead. But “Five Steps to Six Figures in Thirteen Years” just doesn’t have the same ring to it as the current title.
These tips will work. They worked for me. This is exactly what I did to earn six figures in seven years. In addition, I’ve had many friends and colleagues do the same, so I know it’s repeatable — if you follow the steps.
I’ll end this preamble by saying I’m not trying to brag (though I realize some of this may sound like it), just offer you a first-hand experience of what worked for me. In fact, if you want to see how much humble pie I’ve had to eat during my career, read my series detailing all the jobs I’ve ever held. In it, you’ll see that my road was not smooth or without its own challenges. But even with those obstacles I’ve been able to live out the principles that follow and lead to a six-figure income. I hope you can do the same.
That said, here are my five steps to six figures in seven years.
Step one: Get a high-earning degree from a good school
It’s a fact of life that certain college degrees result in a higher earning potential. So graduating in one of these fields gives you a built-in jump on the pack as you try to reach six figures quickly.
If you want to be a teacher, that’s fine; it’s a great and noble profession. But it’s likely you won’t be able to make six figures quickly (if ever). If you focus on the top few degrees (and the professions associated with them), you’ll get a big headstart towards reaching your goal.
Note that I suggest you go to a “good” school. In my opinion, you do not need to go to a top-notch college to make this work. I recommend going to the least expensive school that gets you the degree you need and the initial job you want. Once you do this, the school you attended makes very little difference in your career or earning potential.
I went to a top 25 business school (not top 10 or even top 20), but I left with only $5,000 in debt and the job I desired from my targeted employer. Before I decided to go to my school, I knew the employer I wanted to work for recruited there. You should know the same. Just like a résumé’s main purpose is to get you an interview, graduating from college’s primary purpose is to get you that first job and often a “good” school can do the job just as well as a “top” college.
Step two: Work for a name-brand employer at your first job.
No matter the field, there are certain companies that have an aura of respect around them — companies that are known to be good trainers and that are admired by people in your field, around the country, and, if good enough, the world. Some of these include: Google, Apple, Disney, Nike, Procter and Gamble, the Mayo Clinic, Pixar, McKinsey, and so on.
There are two main reasons you want to work for a top-notch company:
- They generally pay well (though maybe not the best), and you certainly want to have as high of a starting salary as possible, and
- Working for these companies gives your résumé an added boost since they are “known” to develop excellent workers. As such, they are companies that other companies recruit from, offering you more (and better) job opportunities in the future. Almost twenty years after I worked at one of these great companies I have colleagues, recruiters, and employers (when I’m interviewing) regularly say something like, “Wow, you worked there” or “You have some great experience” simply because I worked for a name-brand company two decades ago.
How can you get employed by one of these companies? Simple: go to a school where the company recruits (review Step One again). Beyond that, network with alumni, school administrators, and anyone else associated with your target company (or companies) to give yourself the best advantage of getting hired. I happened to know an undergraduate student that went to my target company during my second year of grad school. I kept in touch with him and he was instrumental in getting me hired (and we eventually became roommates).
Step three: Perform
There’s no way getting around it — if you want to be on the earnings fast-track, you need to be on the high-end of the performance scale. What does this mean exactly? It means you need to find out what your employer expects of someone in your position and give them much more than that. If your expectation is to save the company $50,000, work to save it $100,000. If you need to grow sales 7%, work to grow them 12%. If your goal is to get five new customers ordering your product, work to get eight. If you over-deliver versus your expectations and so consistently and with a variety of different projects, you will be a high-level performer and receive a commensurate level of financial rewards.
In addition, you can really super-charge your performance (and thus your pay) if you work on any of the following:
- Problem projects (turning them from problems to advantages for the company)
- Important, high-profile assignments that get you noticed by those higher up in the organization, and
- Big businesses that are vital to the company’s success.
Of course, these opportunities are a double-edged sword — they can propel your career if you succeed, but they can also devastate it if you crash-and-burn.
Finally, having a good, pleasant attitude is at least a tie-breaker (some say it’s more) that will help you advance in your career. Everyone likes performers with good attitudes more than performers with poor attitudes, so be positive — it might just pay off for you (literally).
Step four: Manage your career aggressively
Big pay bumps, even for high fliers, don’t usually come with the frequency or size that they should. After all, many employers are quite happy giving you the least they can even if you’re slam-dunking projects left and right. That’s why you need to:
- Regularly ask for raises (FYI, if you’re doing Step Three, asking for and getting a raise becomes a whole lot easier).
- Ask for promotions when available (these usually include a decent salary bump).
- Network regularly with people both inside and outside the company. Some of these interactions will help you discover opportunities for advancement.
- Consider moving companies. This can be a good strategy since many of the biggest increases in both pay and responsibility can be found with a company shift — especially if you’re moving from one of the companies listed in Step Two.
The main point I want to emphasize here is you can’t allow your career to be on auto-pilot. If you do, you’ll get auto-pilot raises and auto-pilot opportunities, and you’ll severely limit your chances for making the big bucks. But if you work at it, you can get regular, meaningful salary increases — something that’s even more important than starting with a high starting salary.
Step five: Have some luck
I hate that this is on the list, but I have to be honest: Luck is a factor in the success of your career. The reason I hate it is that it’s the one tip you can influence the least (if at all). Sure, you can try to make your own luck by putting yourself in the right situations, accepting the right jobs, selecting the best employers and so on, but ultimately, much of life and the results of work are out of your hands.
All I can suggest here is to look at all the pros and cons of a job change, promotion, business situation, etc. and consider them carefully — trying to maximize the number of events where luck is in your favor and minimizing the ones where you get bad luck. Also learn to ride good luck as long as you can and cut your losses as quickly as possible when bad luck shows up.
Conclusion
That’s it. Those are the five steps I used to grow my income to six figures in seven years, and they’re the same tips that have helped me maintain my income growth past that point. I can’t guarantee that they’ll get you to six figures in seven years, but I can say that if you apply them to your career, I’m pretty confident that your income will grow much faster than it would have if you had not applied them.
Some of you may be thinking “That’s great advice — I wish I had it 20 years ago.” In other words, you’re past the point where a few of these steps work, so what can you do now to increase your income? My suggestion is to get into the process above at the earliest possible step.
For example, if you think it’s worth it and you have the time and money, consider going back to school (step one) to get a new/better degree. If this isn’t a possibility or not very practical, start networking your way into a name-brand company (step two). And if this isn’t feasible, everyone can at least start with step three no matter where they are in their career.
The later you jump into the process, the less impact it’s likely to have on the goal of reaching six figures. However, applying even just the latter steps (especially three and four) will allow you to grow your income far more than it would if simply left to drift on its own.
Step photo by Lazurite. Graduation photo by Eralon. Clover photo by Cygnus921.

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October 15th, 2009 at 5:28 am
Hmmm. I was looking for six steps to make seven figures in eight years, but I guess this will have to do. Regarding #5, I think you’re underselling the importance of making your own luck. What many attribute to “luck” is being in the right place at the right time, and you *do* have a reasonable amount of control over that.
October 15th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Great tips. I think the first tip may turn people off because it goes against the “do what you love” mantra that I see so much. I broke the six figure mark two years into my career, but I specifically chose a high earning major rather than one that interested me. And yes, it’s possible to be successful in a field you don’t care for. I don’t expect my job to be the be all and end all of my life satisfaction. Instead, I use my job to fund my passions (and a possible second career in the arts). Different strokes and all.
October 15th, 2009 at 5:39 am
Certainly you can “make your own luck” by trying to make smart choices, but often it’s a very random process.
For instance, you make a “good” career decision/move and a year later the company is sold and priorities are shifted. Or you take a job to work for a leading “expert” in your industry. Six months later, his wife takes a job across the country and he’s moving with her. Or the economy tanks and hits your industry especially hard. Or the economy tanks and your industry benefits.
You can see how random many of these things are. The changes can be for better or worse, but they are (for the most part) out of your control — and mostly unforseeable.
October 15th, 2009 at 5:48 am
Way too much is made out of what university you go to in the States. It’s a real shame. I think like you said, going to a good school is good enough.
October 15th, 2009 at 6:03 am
sounds like somebody has fallen in love with the ‘rat race’ geez….booooorrrriiiinnnnnggggggggg
October 15th, 2009 at 6:12 am
I like those ideas. The problem with #1 is that a lot of people don’t know their intended career before college. Often it takes internships or classes to figure out what one would like to do.
I think a lot of step 5 involves networking and meeting people. The luck part will come when the people you meet refer you to good jobs.
October 15th, 2009 at 6:13 am
As a side note to being positive, learn to resist the urge to say “There’s no way to do that!” You may think you are being a realist, but the people who approach unsolvable problems by saying “Let’s see what we can do about this” come across much better to superiors, even if ultimately the project fails as you predicted.
Look at it this way: If the project succeeds, and you said it couldn’t be done, you look bad for not recognizing the solution. If the project fails, and you said it couldn’t be done, then people suspect that you are secretly happy to be proven right, so it tarnishes your image. But if the project fails, and you were trying everything you could to help salvage it, people will remember that you were putting in effort to try to make things work. And if the project succeeds despite the odds, you get a lot of glory for making the impossible possible.
October 15th, 2009 at 6:15 am
RE: Step one–I tried going for the high-earning degree, and I was miserable for the first two years of college. So miserable that, despite being a type-A overachiever, the thought of quitting school briefly crossed my mind. When I changed my major, I was suddenly excited to go to class, though I knew I wouldn’t make a ton of money out of school with that degree.
I think if you can compartmentalize your life, you can be happy in a highly-paid career that isn’t your passion, but it seems it’s not something I can do. And I’m okay with that, and if I never make six figures, I’m okay with that, too. I have to be excited by something to be good at it.
October 15th, 2009 at 6:20 am
I am so glad that this post was in my rss feed this morning.
I have a question:
I have moved rather bumpy through steps 1-3, it really hasn’t been easy at all. I have been struggling lately with WHEN to switch companies (are there any signals besides higher wage)? Also when is a good time to as for a raise (signals?)?
I am at a great company and preforming well - I can tell my co-workers think I am going to leave any day because of the innovation and performance I bring.
I think part of it might be that I can network well, but I just don’t know where I should be networking. I also have degrees in both technology and finance — I don’t know which avenue is best to pursue… I am really confused right now… I guess I need to focus my attention — I just don’t know where……
Anyway, suggestions would be appreciated!!!
October 15th, 2009 at 6:23 am
For a while, making six-figures was something I wanted to do. Now, I’m not so sure. I’m pretty confident I could do it in my life, I’m just not sure that the cost is worth it… The time & energy expended could be better put towards my hobby and developing that into something productive, so I’ve only ever planned on using my degree part-time. (Eventually, perhaps not at all.) Though full-time at first, to gain experience and pay off those nasty student loans…
October 15th, 2009 at 6:27 am
I think if you can compartmentalize your life, you can be happy in a highly-paid career that isn’t your passion, but it seems it’s not something I can do. And I’m okay with that, and if I never make six figures, I’m okay with that, too. I have to be excited by something to be good at it.
Yes. I think not enough is said about things like personality, natural aptitude, etc. I am introverted and have low energy. I will never be successful if I use the definition of success as making a lot of money in business or something. If I change the definnition of success to mean being happy and learning to make the most of my life despite any limitations I was born with, then yes, I am successful.
I read on a blog once that in order to be successful people should “be extraverted.” You can’t change how your brain is wired, sorry. It’s not a matter of just learning social skills. I have plenty of social skills. I can “perform” for a while, but then I’m drained. I can’t keep it up. Telling people to just make themselves be extraverted shows a complete misunderstanding and lack of knowledge about personality type.
October 15th, 2009 at 6:36 am
I always value FMF’s career advice, the stuff he posts is spot-on in my experience and this is an epic and valuable post! Two points not mentioned (I think, maybe I missed them) - living in a big, expensive city will raise your “base” salary on which future raises will be based; and you can sub the name-brand school for a very in-demand specialty - nobody in the US knows the Irish college I went to, but you can be sure they respect the course content of the degree I got, which very few N.American universities offer.
Most of us are going to be at work 40-50 hrs a week for X years anyway, may as well maximize what you earn while you’re at it by using tactics like these and by “managing” your career carefully. It really does create options for you.
October 15th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Woohoo! I have a BS in electrical engineering and I’m 3 classes away from my MBA with no debt. According to Yahoo I’ve got No. 1 & 2 on ROI.
October 15th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Glad to see something not recommending starting your own business as the only way to wealth.
Whether you’re working on your own business or working on a career, I’ve always said both take effort and planning to move forward and advance. It’s just more obvious and typically immediate for folks working at their own business that if they slack they lose.
Also hard work alone is not enough in either case. You have to have a vision for what you want in the future if you want to increase your income in your business or career. If you’re answer to the question “where do you see yourself in five years?” is “I don’t know.”, then you need to put some thought into it. Even if you love what you’re doing and decide you want to be doing basically the same thing in five years, at least give it some thought and plan on how to keep motivated doing it.
October 15th, 2009 at 6:55 am
“These suggestions are difficult to follow. They require tough choices, time commitments, sacrifice, discipline and a bunch of other traits that most people don’t want to bother with.”
How about considering your life values and priorities first, before even contemplating which tough choices, time commitments, etc. are worth it to you?
My brother has followed the above career path to a T; he’s now in his mid-forties making well into the six figures as you describe. His various positions have required almost constant travel and time away from his family. I see the results in the negative behavior of his children and hope the price they ALL paid for his career & income level is worth it to them.
My DH and I decided early on that we value hands-on parenting and time spent with our children. Following that path requires its own tough choices, time commitments, and sacrifice. We don’t have a six-figure income right now, but we have a healthy net worth, which is more important to us.
I think anyone contemplating a career path on the basis of its high earning potential would also benefit from considering how that high income career (and the lifestyle associated with it) would align with their life values.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:01 am
Good post. I especially agree with making your first job with a well-known company. A business people respect goes a long way on a resume.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Hmm… I’m the poster girl for what not to do at work: (1) I don’t dress for the job I want…probably because I don’t know what job I want; (2) I don’t have a career plan; (3) I don’t
suck upnetwork; (4) I don’t have a filter between brain and mouth; and (5) I actively avoid the bigwigs because of 4.Yet, I make six figures (and without ever having to negotiate my salary or my raises) because I have this wacky idea performance is what counts. Sure, I’ve been doing 60-100 hour work weeks since May, but I have a reputation for always meeting a deadline and being on budget. And whatever is thrown at me, from pulling together quarterly reports to managing IT projects to implementing a new process, I’ll do it.
Of course, the downside of being a performer is your current boss doesn’t want you to leave his department. I keep telling him as long as my raises are higher than the company AND industry averages, I’ll stick around.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Great tips–pretty much what I did. I set a goal for myself in 1998 to double my salary in 5 years, and I quadrupled it in that time. What worked for me were your tips to align yourself with a highly respected company, perform, manage career aggressively, and make your own luck. Most important of those was Perform.
In my “real life” as a wife and mother, my kids were so surprised to see me climb into that 5.63% because I’m far from a shark, and what they took away from my experience was “nice guys don’t have to finish last. Being nice can also pay off.”
#1 rule for advancing your life: Attitude is Everything
October 15th, 2009 at 7:09 am
You all know how I feel about the importance of finding meaningful work. I think that focusing on money at the exclusion of other factors is generally a road to unhappiness. All the same, I think this is a great post.
FMF’s advice is not applicable to everyone. And I can see how some might interpret it as accepting (and joining) the rat race. All the same, I think many, many people can profit from his advice in this article. It’s possible to follow these steps and to be happy with a meaningful career. In fact, I’d argue that merging these two paths is the Holy Grail of employment.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:10 am
What are the signs of a “good school”? How do you find out which companies recruit from which schools?
Also, would a company be interested in recruiting a 30-something? I assume they want employees they can mold which is why they recruit from colleges. They’re younger and more malleable.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:11 am
@ Retirement Savior (#6) - As someone who changed majors five times in university, it’s not necessary to have your career planned out from the moment you take your first step. Essentially, a university degree proves you have the ability to learn. I programmed for Microsoft without a computer degree. I marketed for HP and Agilent Technologies without a marketing degree. I’m currently in a financial planning role, even though I’m not an accountant.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:29 am
I prefer to go against the grain. This is the traditional route that most people think it the only way to life. I want to do something different and exciting!
October 15th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Here’s some food for thought:
1. If you don’t absolutely hate what you’re doing, the company, etc., then there probably aren’t going to be any clear signs when you should leave a particular company. I guess you could consider falling below the average payscale for your position (or whatever level you want to be above average) or lack of professional growth to be signs it’s time to move on, but those are often harder to pinpoint and can be moving targets.
2. It’s a good time to ask for a raise when you’ve been over-performing your job requirements for some time and have many quantifiable accomplishments you can point to. If you’re really knocking the ball out of the park (which I get from your comments, maybe I’m simply reading into them though), the fact that you’re valuable and worth more should be a no-brainer to your boss as well.
3. As for the tech versus finance option — that’s something you’ll need to decide. And obviously you’ll want to sort it out before you make any major career moves.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:35 am
A good school is a 4 year accredited University. They will have a career center that helps graduates find jobs and you can ask them for statistics on where graduates end up. If they are good, they will be proud of those statistics and gladly share them with you.
Yes, of course they would hire a 30-something! First of all, 30 is still considered young in the corporate world. Second, good large companies have anti-discrimination policies anyway.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:35 am
@ d (#5) and J.D. (#19) and Marcy (#11)
Agreed that this is an incredible post that works very well for “Type 1″ personalities: Rule bound, rigid, and boring as heck.
My route to six figures was a bit more entrepreneurial, and (@ Marcy) I am an introvert (as are many entrepreneurs, so don’t lose heart.)
There are many paths to the goal, but the question you need to ask is:
*Is it worth it* (to me - to live this lifestyle in order to make this kind of salary).
One bit of advice that has helped me reach my income goals went something like this:
“Try to find employment with compensation that is *results oriented*”.
For me, that led to a commission structure, and project oriented compensation rather than a salary.
The point is: “Different strokes for different folks”.
I loved this post, and I am certain that if you want to be an accountant, or in some corporate capacity, this will work for you.
Just realize, that if you dance to the beat of your own drum, you are going to have to write the music too. There may not be a ’script’ for you to follow.
Good luck to all.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:36 am
FMF - Good post. I pretty much agree with what you said, and I’m living proof that doing it will take you from near poverty to a six figure income in just a few years. For me it wasn’t a charted path, I just continuously worked to improve myself, listened to self help tapes during my commute, and worked to make myself a little better every day.
I’d like to add to a couple of your points:
-Education: Any quality school will do. Seriously, few employers care what college you went to, as long as you have an accredited degree. After your first job, they care more about your experience and your education (or lack of) is a screening tool used by HR to eliminate candidates.
-Luck: You make your own luck. Luck is nothing more than preparation meeting opportunity. If you are looking for opportunity you will find it in any event. If you are looking for life to kick you, that is what you will find as well.
Other Resources:
-Education 2.0: this will save you time, money, and headache when you go to earn your degree.
-A guest post I wrote for GRS: Network Your Way to Job Security. You can find similar articles at my blog Wealth and Wisdom.
Also, consider what is truly important to you. It sounds great to make six figures, but it isn’t worth sacrificing the rest of your life to get it. I know this well. I used to take jobs based on how well they moved my career (and income) forward. It was only when I found myself in a job where I spent all my time on the road that I realized that it was not right for me.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:40 am
I define a “good school” as one that gets you the initial job you want at the company you want and also has at least some sort of name recognition (either nationally, locally if you’re committed to an area, or in an industry) so it benefits you well past the first job.
As far as how to find out what companies recruit at what schools, simply ask the admissions department of a school you’re considering what companies recruited at the school last year, what sort of positions they were looking for, what job titles and at what companies were students hired, what the average (or estimated) starting salaries were, what percent of graduates had a job at graduation, and on and on. They should either have this info available or be able to track it down for you.
As far as a company recruiting a 30-something, I don’t think there’s much problem with that (as long as you’re closer to 30 than 40.) It’s true that some companies want younger recruits that they can then mold and as such some will probably not want to talk to you. But, there are plenty that will — especially if you’re going for an advanced degree like an MBA. In addition, be aware that some companies might be wary so in your interviews be sure to stress your “willingness to try new things”, “desire to learn and improve yourself”, and “flexibility in managing all aspects of your work.”
October 15th, 2009 at 7:44 am
@Marcy
I’m sorry you’ve been told that being an extrovert is the only way to make it in your career. You’re right that that shows lack of understanding of how people are different and that there’s no one size fits all solution to life.
That being said being an extrovert is more about how you get energized than about how many people you interact with on a daily basis. As an introvert myself, being around people and talking to people on the phone all day drains me. (Fortunately, that’s not my only job requirement.) I need time by myself to recharge for the next day/task.
My youth leader growing up shared with me one of the most profound concepts about being an introvert. He is himself, though you wouldn’t think so when you first met him, particularly as a youth leader. He always seemed energetic, fun to be around, and willing to listen. We were talking about personality for one reason or another and he said that he was an introvert. I didn’t believe him until he explained it’s not about how popular you are or how much energy you have or how many friends you have, it’s about how you charge yourself. If being around people gets you charged up, you’re an extrovert. If you need to be by yourself to recharge, you’re an introvert. It has nothing to do with how many people you know.
So social skills are just that, skills anyone can learn. For my job and the job description I think I’d like to move onto, I have to interact, manage, and lead people. That part is both exciting and scary to me. I like talking to people and getting them to help me accomplish a mutual goal. I just have to remember to find time to recharge when I need it.
@FMF - great article. I’m not sure if I’m going to go after a six figure salary or not (I know that’s a big step in the not direction) but this is a good road map for being a successful employee either way.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:46 am
I’ll be honest, phrases like “much of life and the results of work are out of your hands” rub me in absolutely the wrong direction. Talk to any truly successful person (and by successful, I mean a person who does the work they love, makes the money they want, and lives 100% according to their beliefs and priorities), and you will see that luck and chance had absolutely NOTHING to do with their success.
It has a lot more to do with being smart, being conscious, thinking positive, knowing your strengths, seeing the possibilities, knowing your priorities, and being proactive.
A lot of these tips sound like a one-way ticket to a really bland, get-paid-to-walk-around-with-coffee career as a Cube Farm Overseer. Of course, if you’re sort of bland and uncreative yourself, it might work for you.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:52 am
I would add getting a well placed internship to that list. It’s a combination of schooling/training and networking. The company I am with now doesn’t recruit from the school I went to, but they do have departments that selectively pick from specific schools and programs that align with the research they do and I got the ‘in’ in that way.
I don’t love what I do, but I don’t hate it either. And while I agree that one’s motivation shouldn’t only be money, I also think people who loftily state that you should ‘do what you love’ don’t have it right either. Life is a balance. My plan is to continue doing what I’m doing for a bit longer, but I’m socking away the money I make now so I am not tied to this job if I ever DO become miserable. I think that is where a lot of people in high paying jobs make a mistake. Most people don’t hate their jobs from the get go, they grow to hate it due to increasing demands, management changes, or simply burning out.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:06 am
just make sure that you don’t get screwed by the overall economy and go back to earning 1/2 the 6 figures you were earning.. it’s happened to allot of us out here.. doing the things mentioned above make only a marginal difference when the overall tide goes down.. it may keep your boat afloat, but not in the rich seas you’d become accustomed to.. remember most of those “name brand employers” that were mentioned in the article jetizened countless thousands, if not 10’s of 1000’s, of employees this past year.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:15 am
#3 can also cause early burn-out. If you’re just doing it for the money, you will burn out. If you’re not just doing it for the money, you don’t need this tip. Otherwise, you get to the point where you realize that no amount of money is going to buy your time with your family and friends, time for yourself, or your youth back.
You can keep your six figures, I prefer just financial stability, health insurance, a comfortable life, a smallish house, a short commute, and lots of extra time with my family and to pursue various other interests and activities.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:18 am
J.D.’s next article:
HOW TO MARRY A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN
Step one: Be handsome! Your hair should be soft and wavy, your teeth gleaming! No acne. Be buff and tan and muscular, and tall.
Step two: Be successful! Have a great, six figure job (see my previous article). Drive a big, fancy car and wear lots of jewelry. Own a huge house.
Step three: Be respectful! Dames dig that.
Step four: Pick the prettiest one. Don’t worry about brains so much. You’ll be moving on in 5-10 years anyway.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:19 am
I’m quite shocked at the people stating “great post”. 99% of this article is common sense, but out of reach for 99% of the populace. This would be a “great post” for perhaps a middle schooler that was just starting to get interested in a career, but even then, unattainable for the vast majority.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Although I think some of you are missing FMF’s point, I do have to say that Hokojoma’s comment (#33) made me laugh out loud.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:21 am
I’ve pretty much been following this Path and it’s working pretty well. If you count the 1 year Master’s program then I’m just starting year 4 and 80% of the way to 6 figures. I graduated from a Ivy League school with a Master’s degree, worked for a big name company starting at 65k. The company I worked for had a big recruiting presence at my school and my hiring manager told me that the reputation of the school had a big impact on his decision. I had really good results and got a 4k raise in 6 months. Moved jobs to a smaller, but still big name company for 10k more and in a lower cost of living state. My housing costs each year are 6k less now than they were at my old job (I miss Wegmans). Unfortunately this last year is really starting to kill my momentum.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Not sure how this post was much of a revelation… you could as easily have said, “become a doctor!” or “practice law for a large company!” or even, “Record hit album!” Or, you can look up average salaries in different positions and find one whose average at 5 years is >$100K, get the job and there you have it. In other words, it doesn’t take much specialty knowledge to tell someone to get a degree and work hard.
I think this post would have been more interesting if you’d listed the major skill sets the population is likely to have, and defined a career path that matches each one. How to make six figures as an artist, a musician, a retailer, a scientist, an.. ummm… English major.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:26 am
These are great actionable steps, but as pointed out in the article, are far from easy. I would argue building your own business is a much easier way to accomplish a 100K per year income.
I think the same general rules apply, tweaked a bit:
1. Your school is not important to prospective customers. Experience is what matters.
2. You don’t need to work for a well-known employer, only do business with them. This is much easier to do.
3. Performing will get you ahead in any area. Probably the most important factor for raising your income if you’re self-employed
4. Manage your goals aggressively
5. Have some luck.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Six Steps to getting ahead in Corporate America:
1. Be in the right place at the right time. (Luck.)
2. Know the right people, and be friendly with them. (This is called sucking up. Do it the right way, and management will like you. Do it the wrong way, and management will despise you.)
3. Don’t be afraid to tell people when they are wrong, especially management. They will respect you for having a spine. (Once again, do it the right way…the wrong way will get you labeled a trouble-maker)
4. Appear competent. (Notice I didn’t say be competent. Perception > reality, especially in corporations.)
5. Notice I’ve given conditional statements to 2,3 and 4 above…I can’t tell you *how* to do these things…either you’ve learned them through your interpersonal working relationships over the past 20, 30, 40 or 50 years, or you haven’t.
6. Be a problem solver, not a problem creator. (There are two types of employees, period. Make sure you know which one you are. You’d be surprised how many bad employees think they are good employees. This is coming from someone with extensive management experience.)
OR, you can ignore all the above, and become a complete sociopath in the corporate arena. Backstab, belittle, undermine, flatter, lie, scheme, circumvent, lie some more… in other words, do whatever it takes. Soon, you will be an executive.
You might read the Statement above and think it is meant as humor. It isn’t.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Good article! I agree with all your points. I don’t see why so many people have bees in their bonnets about “joining the rat race”.
Many people complain they don’t have enough money, but don’t put in the hard work that is needed to get it. Those same individuals envy those who make $100K+, and think it’s easy.
@#33 lol funny… but the point is that everything FMF suggests is achievable with hard work. Even the “luck” he suggests is conditional on the previous steps…
October 15th, 2009 at 8:32 am
First you say…
And just a bit later your first step is…
I think you’re cheating a lot. In one breath you say you’re only talking about after college and in the next you’re tacking 4 or more years on to the program. I might have believed it if you had said 10 years since 1 year of a 4 year degree is blown on non-degree related “general education” stuff. I took 7 years just to get through my BS and MS and after nearly 15 years (at one employer admittedly) I’m just now getting within “arms reach” of the 6 figure mark - I figure about 5 more years and I’ll just cross that line. Of course, by then I expect to be completely debt free and well into JD’s “third stage”.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:34 am
I like the idea of making your own luck. I earned a promotion less than a year into my first job by making my own luck. Yes, it was lucky that the person before me left. But the position was going to remain vacant until I took on one of the projects and then asked for the job. Yes, I got lucky, but I also created my own luck by putting myself in a position where I was capable of doing the new job and then asking for it.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Can someone remind me of the name of this blog? That’s right, it’s Get Rich Slowly, and that’s why I follow it regularly. If you want to get rich quickly at a job and kill yourself at work for a few years, then read the blogs by Tim Ferriss or by Ramit Sethi.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:39 am
1. You don’t have to take a job in a field you hate just to make six figures. Sure, some fields/degrees have built-in advantages, but if your likes don’t suit one of these, then go your own path. You can still earn a decent salary (and maybe six figures) — you’re just taking a different path (as some have suggested.) That said, it may be harder to do (for instance, I’m guessing the average musician earns less than the average engineer), but for most people it’s much better to earn $80k doing what you love than making $100k in a field you dispise.
As JD said, for some (many?) personal preferences and high-earning professions intersect. I am blessed to be in a field that I both enjoy and is one where I can earn a good salary.
2. Some seem to equate “perform” to “work like a slave.” I grant that many people get ahead by putting in 60+ hours a week, but this is not necessary in all cases and is certainly not needed over the life of a career (for instance, you may work more hours when you’re younger and then be able to scale back as your experience grows.)
3. There is an aspect of “making your own luck”, but there’s also a facet of luck that can’t be planned for, controlled or predicted. The people that get ahead IMO are those that come out better than before despite the (sometimes poor) circumstances that are thrown at them.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:41 am
I disagree with working for a big name institution. I was offered positions at both a big name company and a little indie place. I would not have been paid more at the indie place, and worse, I would have been trapped into one small focus area.
By going with the indie company, my real talent (the ability to walk into a complete mess, figure it out, and go) showed how valuable I am. Because of that, I’ve been cross trained on far more positions than I ordinarily would have at a big name place.
If I do eventually move to a bigger company, I can command a higher salary based on my incredibly varied skill set.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Oh, God. The first time I witnessed this, I was shocked (I was so naive back then). I couldn’t figure out how this person looked at herself in the mirror every morning. After a few months of her abuse, I left the department despite vehement protests from three levels of senior management and she got demoted.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:23 am
RMS: That’s exactly what I was thinking! Usually I don’t comment on the posts like this (that I don’t like or don’t apply to me) but you voiced my thoughts so precisely I just had to tell you that.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:23 am
@FMF (comment #44) … My DH is living proof of both #1 and #3. His salaried occupation as a pilot involves VERY different working conditions than the types of high-earning, desk-bound occupations found in corporate finance, management, engineering, IT, etc. Until recently, aviation also carried good potential for a six-figure career, depending on the type of aircraft you flew, the company you worked for, and your seniority within the company.
The combination of economic downturn and the events of 9/11 saw many of those lucrative aviation opportunities vanish within months. Economic downturns are to be expected, but terrorist attacks of that magnitude?
October 15th, 2009 at 9:29 am
The readers have been heard! Well, some of them, anyhow. Mike sent a question by e-mail. He has a high-paying career and is not happy. I’ll post a follow-up “ask the readers” on Saturday morning to address his situation and to deal with some of your concerns. Sound good?
October 15th, 2009 at 9:48 am
No one has complete control over their lives.
The only thing you can do is maximize your chance of success, but there is no such thing as a 100% guarantee in life. No matter how great your chances of success are, there is still a chance at failure.
Just because you received the opportunity, does not mean you were the most qualified. You could have a contact, you were willing to take a lower salary, you have specialized knowledge, or you were in the right place at the right time.
Right place at the right time… sound a lot like market timing to me. *cough* luck *cough*
To end this, I’m not saying it’s all luck, but remember to appreciate your circumstances, and there are always those who are/were not as fortunate as you. I’ve known people who had to drop out of high school to work minimum wage jobs, just to put food on the dinner table.
@Hokojoma
1. Write that book.
2. Publish that book.
3. Sell that book and profit.
4. Plastic surgery.
5. Show proof that it works in revised book.
6. Profit more.
October 15th, 2009 at 10:02 am
I haven’t read through all the comments yet because I have to, you know, do some work - but wanted to thank FMF and JD and say YES this does work. My DH did exactly these five things and he did reach 6 figs in 7 yrs as a personal trainer and physical therapist assistant - a career he loves:
1. Get a degree - a B.A. in Biology from CSU-Northridge, which combined with experience let him take the state P.T.A. licensing exam.
2. Work for a name-brand employer: in the Rehab department at UCLA
3. Perform - as an assistant for physical therapists who knew they could trust him, he was able to get referrals immediately after going freelance
4. Manage career aggressively - from $14/hr as an assistant to … well, quite a bit/hr as a freelancer, without advertising. Ever. He just was willing to work where and when the clients wanted him.
5. Have some luck: that would be me, the wage-earning partner who gave him the stability to take a big chance on starting his own business. It paid off for both of us.
Best to everyone, stay healthy!
October 15th, 2009 at 10:13 am
You forgot an important step: Be born white. You’ll earn much more with no additional effort or merit! Also, being a dude will help, but being the “right” race is a VITAL advantage in your career that you can’t overlook if you want to climb that corporate ladder.
October 15th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Hey FMF,
Whether building your business or a career at one, the key to build wealth is:
1) Give 10x more than you take. It’s about them, not you, so deliver maximum value.
2) Be remarkable - be irresistible by being an amplified version of yourself. “Be yourself; everyone else is taken.”
3) Scale profits - build a system that makes money and scales, don’t limit yourself by only giving time for money.
Like getagrip mentioned, nice perspective of building income from a job perspective, since not everyone wants to build their own business. However, I feel wealth-building is universal for both types of people.
Thanks,
Oleg
October 15th, 2009 at 10:23 am
I love my life. I could not be happier. This isn’t all because of my job, but a lot of it is made possible by my having the career that I do.
The comments are full of negative reactions for whatever reason. Certainly I could have *not* worked to get here. I could have made excuses that I didn’t want to be here. It’s boring, corporate America, part of the rat race, whatever — the same complaints many commenters are making. Where would I be instead? Some other, crappier job, for less money, with less freedom. If I hadn’t followed the path I did, the obvious alternative was *not* to become a test pilot or professional mountain climber or pursue some other exciting and romantic but low paying career. It was simply a worse job that the one I have now.
So sure, criticize this path. If you’re posting your criticism from Tahiti on the deck of the racing sailboat on which you crew for little pay, I understand. If you’re posting it from the only working computer in the small African village where you’ve been living while you dig a well so that the villagers can have clean water, I understand. If you’re posting your criticism from the bus on the way to your crappy retail service job, you’re going to the same rat race I am, except a crappier part of it, and you have to go five days a week, and you don’t get to set your own hours, so maybe you’d like to rethink your criticism? I know lots of people with “regular jobs”. They’re all bound by rules more rigid than my job, and they get less out of them.
The internet is full of “leave the rat race, do what you love for a living!” talk. Most of it is all talk. I drive through town and see a lot of people delivering mail, and fixing cars, and building roads, and selling groceries, and doing real work every day. I see a lot more of these people than I see people getting paid to sit on the beach or play golf or write novels, which is what the internet would have you believe everyone who’s got their act together is doing. They’re not.
And to the people complaining about the site being called “Get Rich Slowly”. The plan takes *seven years* and really takes 13, as was mentioned. If that’s too fast for you, are you sure you don’t want to be reading a site called “Get Rich Never”?
October 15th, 2009 at 10:41 am
i would add that being born a white male will definitely help. i can attest to this because i have run smack into the glass ceiling many many times in my career.
October 15th, 2009 at 10:48 am
@Tyler: agreed. I’m puzzled by how readers of a site called “Get Rich Slowly” are so negative about job advice designed to make you get rich a bit less slowly. It’s simply one way to do it, one that’s more realistic than “do what you love and the money will follow.” My job doesn’t stop me from following my dreams on my own time. It doesn’t have to be either-or. Plus, I can follow my dreams in comfort and with health insurance.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:00 am
given some of the comments made, I’ll preface what I’m going to write by saying that I’m a white female, 30 yrs old. I work & live in Manhattan, in fashion, as a tech designer (my job is to make clothing fit to a company’s standard).
My current salary is a base of 92k, with a 5% 401k bonus at end of year, & a 3.5% to 15% yearly bonus, depending on how my departments do. Last year we got 15%, & this year it’s in the bag again.
The advice you give is sound, though I’d like to add a few observations:
- In a lot of places where you can make 6 figures, where you went to school really doesn’t matter. Not ALL, but a lot. Although I’ve been asked where I went to school (my alma mater is a little no-name school, not FIT or Parsons), as far as I can tell, it never hurt me.
- Working for a “Name Brand” company 1st is key - but be open to the possibility that the work hours suck, the pay is crack, and you’ll be treated like trash. Not saying that’s always the case, but a lot of “Name Brand” companies can afford to act like that, because everybody wants to work there. Putting in a year (at least) is HUGE for helping you make it, but it will suck.
- Overperform, but don’t give 100%. I learned this after a few jobs. It is great to give them more, but if you give 100% from the beginning, it’s much harder to keep giving them more. It’s much better to spent the 1st month or two working maybe 10% ahead, while assessing the situation, & THEN figure out how much to give, so you can get the most bang for your buck, while holding some of your skills in reserve.
- and that negociating tip? that is absolutely key. Early on in my career, I realized that I was being vastly underpaid to do my job. So I interviewed around, found a place that would hire me to do the same job as my current job, but for 10k more. I took that offer back to my company, and got an instant 10k raise - and this was about 2 months AFTER I got my yearly raise.
Lastly, I pushed to get this high for a reason. I’ve saved like hell for retirement. Once my nest egg gets a little higher, I plan to use my earning potential to work a year or two, then take a year or two off to travel, to learn, to look into entrepreneural activities. Depending on how it goes, I’ll do my own thing, or go back to work for another year or two, while I figure out what I want to do with my next 1-2 year sabbatical.
I can still save a lot, and my salary goes far, as long as I keep my costs down. I don’t know that doing that would be possible in every field, but it can happen in fashion, & I plan to take advantage of it.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:24 am
The article has some good points. HOWEVER, as an HR professional for one of those companies listed above I honestly must say WHO YOU KNOW is a huge part of the jobs you get. You just cannot get over the bias that hiring managers have for people they know or friends of friends, or kids from the same alma mater. I see it all the time. And push back when necessary.
Familiarity is a human trait which gives comfort. We need to acknowledge that to get over it.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:28 am
It may also be a happy accident. My husband makes 6 figures as a police officer and he works very hard and deserves every bit of it. Trade-offs: always in harm’s way, SHIFTWORK, many rules to follow, disdain from certain members of the public. Benefits: job security, respect, pension, great health benefits, cool car w/flashing lights and sirens to amuse the neighborhood kids. LOL
Being proud of his work and being able to support his family, greed never enters into the equation for him.
Thank you, everyone! This was an informative post and a very interesting, enlightening post-post discussion.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:39 am
@Tyler
I think some of these are knee-jerk reactions, but there are some people whose personalities are such that they are always “on” and there are some companies and pursuits that will reward this very lucratively. The converse is also true: some jobs will just take advantage of or not reward great performance, and some people just don’t have the temperament to live for their work.
I’m writing from my window office in the penthouse suite at a job I love, but I’m far from making six figures. I don’t want to put in the kind of hours that I see my superiors putting in. I’m happy and comfortable because I have stability, health insurance, disposable income, I work flexible hours, and I don’t work too many hours.
I put myself through school for a career that I love, I’ve spent a year working 60 hour weeks, I’ve gone back to school for a technical master’s, I’ve taught myself technical skills. But it hasn’t changed the fact that I get passed over for technical training, meetings and assignments at work and have to try a lot harder than my male colleagues because there are folks who just assume I’m not competent because I have boobs. I can build a database, a GIS or a geochemical model, and I have male superiors who think my time is best spent editing Word documents. Meanwhile they think the male liberal arts major who is a family friend of the CEO should learn how to krige. The 7 steps to a 100k job doesn’t seem to work the same if your gonads are on the inside.
Sometimes you have to step back and reevaluate your priorities. I just got a call from an Army recruiter about entering as an officer.I wouldn’t make 6 figures, but I’d probably learn how to clean and load all kinds of guns.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:48 am
People networking has been the most important factor for me, after hard work.
I don’t have a degree, and busted my tail for 7 years waiting tables. I learned that being friendly, genuine, and showing people you work ethic could make you more profitable.
When I found a way into the corporate world I went from entry level to 100k+ in 5 years.
Performed, worked hard, marketed myself internally, and yes… had some really good luck on the way.
Great article.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I think this is good advice.
This is what I did except that it took me about 20 years to hit 6 figures.
I do think that 7 years if you’re starting from scratch is a bit aggressive. Starting salaries for ‘good’ jobs are often in the $60-75k range. If you just spent 4 years en college to get that degree then you’ve got just 3 more years to hit $100k. Thats 10-20% annual raises for each of the first 3 years of your career. And this step 2 assumes you’re at one of the ‘name’ employers where competition can be pretty tough. Getting 3 nice raises your first 3 years is not too realistic.
But then again the article does say it won’t be easy.
I do think its good to set high goals. Without a goal you won’t get anywhere.
October 15th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
@Lesley
Thanks for agreeing with me, perhaps my sarcasm came across too negative for some people.
@Tyler K
Thanks for your comments. I agree with you on some points, though I think the article misses some of the core values of JD’s blog. Money is not everything, and a low paying job is not necessarily less satisfying (JD’s story about the waiter). I don’t have issues with people making 100k, that’s great if you can get there doing what you love. As for me, I make less than that, but I am at a fulfilling engineering profession, rock climbs quite seriously with my friends, and sells my artworks at local shows. At the same time, I make sure that I come home for dinner on time every night to be with my family. All at the same time.
I don’t think you need to be white male to achieve the 100k. I am sure a minority female from another country will do just as fine. If you are smart and have the ambition, you can achieve the high salary. If that is what you are looking for.
Thanks for reading.
October 15th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Just to add another data point: I’m a minority female and hit $100K at age 28.
October 15th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
@RMS
No, a low-paying job is not necessarily less satisfying. But a *high* paying job is not necessarily less satisfying either, which is what some people seem to be implying. The implication is that there’s a trade-off: You can *only* make $100k/year if you work 80 hours a week, never are home to see your family, skip hobbies to stay late at the office, and otherwise make your life revolve around work. Therefore, you either have a $100k salary, or you have free time to spend on activities you enjoy.
This is simply not true. Plenty of people make $100k+ working regular 40 hour workweeks. Plenty of people barely scrape by at the poverty line while working two minimum wage jobs, 80 hours a week.
I personally have no set hours, and only go in to the office three days a week, working two days a week from home. My accomplishments are judged based on what gets done, not based on how hard it looks like I’m working. I love this about my work.
On the race/gender issue: I see plenty of non-white people making $100k+ salaries in engineering. They’re overwhelmingly Indian/Asian males.
October 15th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
And on the other end, I also have friends that work many more hours and are just making enough to keep their heads above water.
Of course this is anecdotal information and not scientific in any way. I did a bit of Googling to see if I could find anything on the relationship between hours worked and total income, but came up empty handed. Maybe someone out there will have success finding some data.
October 15th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
@Tyler K - wow, I was trying to piece together a response to the negativity, but you said it better than I ever would. Your comments are usually fantastic and this one did not disappoint.
I have not hit $100k and would be fine if I never did, but the path FMF describes is similar to what I’ve done. I never worked for a “brand name” employer b/c I never liked the idea of being a number in a large company. Maybe that’s a bias I shouldn’t have, but small companies seem to suit me much better.
October 15th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Some of this article, and some of the comments are operating under a certain set of assumptions, including this one: Having a JOB with a COMPANY is the ultimate goal.
I guess what I like to challenge is the notion that a fixed-income salary is as great as so many people think it is.
But you know something? My ultimate goal is not that. Some people are passionate about things that lead to the corporate world. Picking a career based solely on salary only leads to hating your life.
For the record: “luck” is still a bunch of crap. Maybe you can’t control what happens, but you have 100% control over how you respond to it. Even when the “company” is giving you “no choice” in some or other matter (which is something companies like to do–control people)…who says you HAVE to keep that job?
October 15th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Maybe once you get to 100k or higher you don’t have to work long hours, but I am sure that to get to that point at a shorter amount of time than usual is a lot of hard work, whether or not they are long hours or not.
October 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
From Tyler (#65): “The implication is that there’s a trade-off: You can *only* make $100k/year if you work 80 hours a week, never are home to see your family, skip hobbies to stay late at the office, and otherwise make your life revolve around work. Therefore, you either have a $100k salary, or you have free time to spend on activities you enjoy.”
For years, the only people I knew who were making $100k+ per year were making exactly those sacrifices you describe. Either that, or they were in rehab for substance abuse. The happiest people I knew were in low-wage-earning professions. Given what I saw around me, I concluded that earning a high income = misery.
I’m older and wiser now, and I understand that there’s neither a direct nor inverse correlation between income and happiness, not once one earns enough income to meet one’s basic needs.
October 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
@Clint - luck is not necessarily a bunch of crap. Living in NYC, I’ve seen a number of talented friends, with great skills, just not be able to get a lucky break. Likewise, I’ve seen plenty of mediocre people just stumble into the best situations.
and a lot of luck may be factors you can’t control. My last name is as unusual as my first name. I’ve had a number of people tell me that, in addition to having a great resume, they wanted to meet me, because they wanted to see the face behind the name. I didn’t have any say in the name I was born with, but if my name was Kim Smith, I think I’d be in a very different place that I am now. It’s just lucky that I was born with an interesting name(no offense to the Kim Smiths - just saying having anything about you stand out on paper can be a good thing).
October 15th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
@Tyler K
I was just going to say that the only people that I know that makes 100k at a faster rate than others without working 80 hours are the software programmers. They usually have great hours, love their job, and the starting salary is probably higher than my current salary (which I am fine with.)
What do you know… that is exactly what you are, a software programmer!
October 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
@Tyler, FMF, and others … What role do you think movies and novels might play in creating negative assumptions about certain high-paying careers? For example, how often have you seen a plot set-up in a movie where the successful man who spends a lot of time at the office ends up with an unfaithful spouse?
JD, this post has been on my mind all day, in a good kind of thought-provoking way. Thanks for sharing it!
October 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
How to make a sure six figure income: become a physician. Even the family docs make a 150k. No corporate ladder, but there are other headaches(Obamacare,malpractive, overhead). It will take on average about eight years and carry some added opportunity expense.
Steps involved:
1. Study hard. Like science and helping people.
2. Then study harder. Being gifted and a good test-taker does not hurt
3. Do not go to Harvard or Yale, OSU med school grads are also called doctor.
4. Pick a specialty with autonomy, intellectual stimulation, and decent paycheck.
5. Work hard and always do the right thing for the patient. The money eventually comes, but it won’t be millions.
6. Enjoy a rewarding career that puts you in top 1 percent of earners.
October 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
There probably needs to be an additional point, If you do something you enjoy eventually you’ll make money at whatever it is you have selected to do(in combination with the other points) and in the long term your happiness will be much higher.
I started of working in a rather low paying part of my organization but I believe that what we do is very valuable and protects the natural environment and people in the process. This has meant I have worked hard in my job and moved up, although not in the mythical 100k bracket yet I will be very close within a few years but one of my goals at work has never been to earn a lot of money. More to enjoy what I do be challanged by what I do and believe that what I’m doing has some benefit to people (community) and the natural environment.
If I could give one piece of advice to people currently looking at Uni/Job it would be that they look inside themselves understand what it is they enjoy doing and try and match a degree/job to that, the money will come eventually it might take a little longer but you’ll be far happier during the Journey.
October 15th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
For the record, I am an engineer with a master’s degree from a university. I’m mostly a 9-to-5 company man.
That said, I believe the quickest and, more importantly, the most effective way to six figures is through entrepreneurship. Personally, I heading down that road myself on a part-time basis at this point.
October 15th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
$100′000 dollars Canadian or US? I’m guessing US.. what’s that in real money?
Ok, sorry.. thats a bad, sick joke. But I just wanted to say, $100k is not worth the same everywhere in the world
October 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
@RMS (#72):
Some software programmers may work less than 80 hours a week and make more than $100K a year, but that’s not really something you can assume.
I’m in IT, and I know a lot of programmers who make less, and work really long hours — 60 to 80 hours a week or more. The project I’m working on is expected to be developing on a 24×7 basis, and we’re regularly expected to work all weekend in addition to working a full work week. And unless you’re at staff level, forget making $100K. $80-90K sure, but it takes a lot of seniority to cross that $100K barrier.
Also, programmers are facing stiff competition with code shops in India, China and elsewhere willing to work for far less than $100K a year.
Oh, and I also know a lot of programmers who have come to despise their jobs and would love to leave them. Often because they are working horribly long hours and are burned out.
October 15th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Thanks for this post. It’s outside the usual stuff a bit but interesting and possibly useful.
I’m one of those less-driven folks not interested in six figures or many of the steps to get there. I already have two useless degrees and many dead end jobs behind me - as well as one with 6-figure potential and life-killing hours. Yuck. However I just started business school. It’s a case of action meets opportunity; my employer will pay for school so it just looked like free money to me, whether it interests me or not. So far it interests me. I may have to give those steps another look in another year or so. If I have an opportunity to make money doing something interesting without killing myself, I will absolutely take it.
October 15th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Gina brings up a good point about outsourcing. I left a field where it was possible to earn six figures in 2001. Since that time, I’ve gotten quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that the average salaries have dropped substantially, due to massive outsourcing. There are still a few people earning serious $$, but far fewer than when I was in the field. There are also almost no staff jobs remaining. Just about everyone I know is scratching along doing freelance work to make ends meet.
I’m forever thankful that I got out of that field when I did!!
October 15th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
my husband was making 6 figures in 13 years and he is a horseshoer and has NEVER worked 60-80 hrs. a week. my dad was a barber and he is a millionaire. i think this article should have been called “5 steps to AVOIDING 7 figures.”
October 15th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
This is a good article that highlights some proven strategies, but I want to play devils advocate and pose a few questions to FMF and anyone who has taken this corporate ladder and grad school route:
1. Sure, you make more money than most of us. But what has that money given you that someone making $40 or $50K per year doesn’t have?
2. Were all the sacrifices that you speak of worth the monetary gain?
3. Are you any happier for it? Is your family happier for it?
4. Would you have been less happy not sacrificing everything that you did and making $50K a year?
Another point - you graduated grad school with only $5K debt, but most don’t, and they usually miss two years of good salary earnings. Cost benefit analyses often point towards grad school and salary loss resulting in about a 10 year payoff to break even. That isn’t mentioned in this article, but it probably should be.
J.D. - I’d also love to hear some alternate stories from those who have had similar income success, yet chose to go out on their own to earn it vs. play the corporate game.
October 15th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
I just think people who want that kind of corporate life aren’t necessarily the majority. There are so many interesting, worthwhile things to do with your life. Certainly as beverly pointed out there are many paths to make those things worth 6 figures American.
I have a fantastic job, great benefits, awesome view, I do something important to humanity and I earn $75K. I’ll earn more as time goes by. It’s nice. I didn’t worry about strategy. I barely know that there is a corporate world. World travel is a nice perk, too.
October 15th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
I want to comment on the teacher salary thing: Teacher’s may never make a six figure salary, but we receive millions of hugs over the years from children.
Too bad the salary doesn’t match the hugs!
-Little House
October 15th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
It’s important to also surround yourself with high income earning people.
This is a fine article, b/c it’s actually very easy to make 6 figures IF YOU WANT TO.
All the steps you describe are pretty spot on. I just don’t think everybody cares to make 6 figures and are happy just enjoying life just the way they are.
Do really less than 6% of the population earn 6 figures FMF? Just looking at this board, I think more than 35% of the people do.
28 year old MBA kids make $100-120,000/yr and it seems like everybody in Manhattan and San Francisco make over 100K/yr if they have been working for at least 5 years. Could the 6% figure be low?
October 15th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
How incredibly soul-crushing. I hope you’re already saving for the Porsche and therapy you’ll need for your mid-life crisis.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
No matter how hard these steps or tips may seem to follow, it goes along perfectly with–”you can do anything you set your mind to”.
Great post
October 15th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
I think that this post is kind of pointless unless you are sending it out to HS seniors or something.
Also - if you go to a “good school” (even though I have NEVER had an employer actually ask me about the school I went to) wouldn’t you have a huge lump of student loans to pay off? Or is step 6 have your parents pay for your top notch brand name school?
October 15th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
I guess I am in the minority here that I don’t think its a very good post at all.
Get a degree in a high paying field, get a job with a major company, get lucky.
Is that seriously new information to anyone?
October 15th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Financial Samurai:
If you think the 6% figure is low, you are incredibly out of touch with reality. Heck, 12% of the country is below the poverty level - that’s just under $11k for a single person! I’ve lived in NYC and it is a myth that “everyone” there makes over $100k, or even that very many people do.
Someone made the comment you should surround yourself with high earners, and the result is becoming totally divorced from reality.
I thought this website was about getting rich slowly, not making your whole life revolve around money to get there in 7 years.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
I have a question more related to the schools:
The article linked to mentioned online MBA programs- are they really any good/worthwhile (assume you have the money/option/time to go online or in person)?
Ouch with the negativity. I think people are overlooking the fact that there are a lot of things you can do with and MBA, engineering degree, etc that are not just “corporate”.
Then again, while most of the people I know who make 100k are busy, they are also by and large very happy and really like what they do. But it is not for everyone, and hey, if it’s not, DEAL, you don’t all need to make 100k.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Sarah K - You’re right in a way, but the only reality I know are the people living in NYC, San Francisco, DC and the 6 other cities I grew up in. I see people bust their butts everyday to try and work harder for a better life. So, for what it’s worth, it’s my reality and I’m a public school product.
Like I said, this is a good post IF YOU WANT TO try and earn 6 figures. I think a lot of people DON’T want to go through the hassle and the hurdles, and that’s just fine.
To each their own. It should not be a sin for someone to want to make more money in their life. No it should not.
That’s like saying JD shouldn’t deserve making $50,000/month from advertisers on GRS, and that he should remain the way he was 7 years ago. I say congrats to JD and anybody who has spent 7 long years to try and make something more!
FS
October 15th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
FMF - Great article and as a corporate peon myself I agree with you and some of the comments. However, how did you manage (in 7 years) to get a >100K income AND build such a succesful blog. I can imagine that your total household income is probably in excess of $250K when you factor this in. Great stuff.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I’m not the guy, but can answer some of this:
> 1. Sure, you make more money than most of us. But what has that money given you that someone making $40 or $50K per year doesn’t have?
security. being 100% debt free. Fully funding 401, ira and hsa every year. money for investing. money for vacations. house paid off early.
not to mention that “high income” jobs also come with other perks. vacation days (i get 30) plus sick time and personal days (7 a year). bonus. i don’t get “chewed out” if i’m 20 minutes late. set my own hours, own projects, etc.
> 2. Were all the sacrifices that you speak of worth the monetary gain?
yes. I do what i love; so it’s not really that big a deal. you have to work a job, so why not work a good one even if it takes a bit more effort?
> 3. Are you any happier for it? Is your family happier for it?
yes. money doesn’t buy happiness, but lack of it can buy misery.
> 4. Would you have been less happy not sacrificing everything that you did and making $50K a year?
I’m happier now then when I was making $50K. Again, money doesn’t buy happiness directly; but less stress from money worries does help
October 15th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
@ GE Miller
to answer your questions:
1. That money has given me more savings, a bigger emergency fund, more money put away in retirement
2. what sacrifices? I *like* my job. I don’t love it, but I like it. I love all the things I’ve learned. I love that I’ve gotten into a management position & have learned a ton about how to handle different personalities & how to get them to work together. I love all the information I’ve picked up on sourcing, working with different countries, payroll, & all the different talents it takes to make a profitable business.
sure, sometimes my hours really do suck, which is why I’m working on my exit plan now, but the things I’ve learned in corporate USA will last me for years.
3. well, that’s a toughie, but I’m very happy about all the things I’ve learned. I’m happy at the number of opportunities to travel I’ve had, that I wouldn’t have necessarily had elsewhere. and my parents are very proud of me. I’m not married, and I don’t plan on having kids, so there’s nobody I’ve been neglecting while I focus on my job.
4. why do you assume that people making 100k sacrificed to get there?
there’s no “one size fits all answer”, but the idea that making 100k or more has to involve huge sacrifices or selling one’s soul is bogus. likewise is the idea that all us 100kers are using the money to buy penthouses & porches. I put away over 50% of my gross income. In a few years, I’ll start taking turns between working a few years, then pursuing my own interests for a few years, until I build up a good income doing something else.
without the cushion I made for myself by going after a high income earlier in life, I wouldn’t feel comfortable working on an exit plan now & looking into other opportunities.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
FMF,
Good to read you on another site
I like your tip about starting your career at a brand name company- that was totally true for me working at Allied Signal (now Honeywell). When I lost my job working for a start up I was hired by a former Allied Signal guy.
It took me just under 4 years from the time I started working to rocket into the 6 figure range (switched jobs from making $90K per year to $143K per year!!!)
Although I did have a Bachelors & Masters in Engineering from 2 really good schools.
-Mike H.
October 16th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Eugenia,
Is you last name Zawadski by any chance? Because I knew of a Eugenia when I worked at Allied Signal… ?
FMF / JD,
How about a poll on the number of years it took you to hit $1 million in net worth since you started working? Call it from zero to $1 million in X years…
For me that number was 11 years, hopefully it will be much shorter to make the 2nd Mil.
-Mike H.
October 16th, 2009 at 2:09 am
The post is about increasing your income, which is something JD/GRS encourages quite a bit.
If you are happy with your income, the post doesn’t apply to you — it does not make it “bad”
If you would like to increase your income, then here is ONE option - the advice is simple and tested.
No one is implying anything more than that.
If you haven’t figured that out, you come off sounding defensive — I would have liked to see some more content to these comments (thinking this topic could be quite interesting), but instead there’s just been a lot of silly back and forth on the validity of earning 6 figures.
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So… in the interest of adding some content: I agree with the post, but I would add something else — pick a specialty — honing in on one industry or type of position and becoming an expert goes a very long way. Your pool of available opportunities might become more narrow as you specialize, but your knowledge and confidence will increase, as will your value as a big fish in a small pond.
October 16th, 2009 at 4:44 am
How do you apply Step 1 if you’ve already got a PhD in uselessness from a fairly good school?
Should you then go back to university? That sounds like a lot of work! I guess that’s one of the sacrifices?
October 16th, 2009 at 4:57 am
Just like a résumé’s main purpose is to get you an interview, graduating from college’s primary purpose is to get you that first job and often a “good” school can do the job just as well as a “top” college.
While I love the post—I think it’s got great advice—this analogy doesn’t really hold. The primary purpose of going to college isn’t always to get you that first job. It’s about living away from home, exploring your interests, growing and maturing as a person, and identifying what you’re going to want to do in life.
I know it sounds lame, but without college I’d probably 20 times as immature as I am now. You learn from experience, and the things I learned in college (non-school stuff) have carried me a long way.