This is a guest post from Robert Brokamp of The Motley Fool. Robert is a Certified Financial Planner and the advisor for The Motley Fool’s Rule Your Retirement service. He contributes one new article to Get Rich Slowly every two weeks.
I’ve already told you how the wife and I weed out our closets every summer and have a yard sale with the results. Last weekend, we did some big off-season pruning because — in a little more than a month — we’re moving to a smaller house (though it’s way cooler, closer to work, and in a better school district). Consequently, we have to get rid of a good bit of furniture.
Here’s the evolution of my furniture-buying history:
| Stage of Life | Type of Furniture |
|---|---|
| College student | Dorm fare, boxes |
| Single college grad | Goodwill castoffs, sturdier boxes |
| Newlywed | Wedding gifts, furniture relatives no longer use |
| Up-and-coming professional | Begin to buy “nice” furniture because we’ll keep it forever |
| Family man moving to a different house | Sell “nice” furniture on Craigslist |
Okay, so we have bought furniture that we’re likely keep for a very, very long time. But we’re also selling items that we thought we’d keep for much longer than we did — and getting a fraction of the price we paid. One example: I always wanted a roll-top desk, but I thought I didn’t deserve one until I became a real writer. So when I wrote my first book for The Motley Fool, I rewarded myself by using part of the money I earned to buy a swell-looking cherry roll-top desk, designed specifically to be used with computers. And I loved it…for a while.
But then I outgrew it. I don’t know why exactly, except that I now prefer to sit in a comfy chair with a laptop in my (guess!) lap rather than sitting at a desk — perhaps because I sit at a desk all day at work. I don’t want to come home and do it for another few hours. And the desk also takes up a lot of space, which we don’t want to devote to a desk in our new home.
So here’s my new thinking about furniture: Like clothes, furniture can wear out its style and usefulness. Our tastes in homes and the accompanying contents change; it just doesn’t make sense to pay up for something we may no longer want or have space for a few years later.
The flip side is that cheaper furniture may not last even a few years. That’s been our experience with the dressers we bought from Target and IKEA. So, for now, I think our best strategy is to buy high-quality stuff used. Or go back to eating off sturdy boxes.
Adventures on Craigslist
Obviously, other people agree, because within 48 hours of our listing seven items on Craigslist, we’ve sold three (including the roll-top desk). I assure you, they’re getting good deals. And we’re raising cash to buy furniture more appropriate for our new place — off Craigslist, of course.
That said, I’ve been the target of two attempted scams and possibly a third. Here’s how one went down: I received identical emails from “Mr J Benson” at mrjbensonx0@gmail.com, regarding two of the items we were selling. He asked if they were still available. I replied that they were, and again received two identical emails, as follows:
Thanks for the prompt response. I have instructed my
account officer to mail (overnight) a certified
check, while you hold this item for me. Let me know
when you receive the check and I will have my mover
will come pick up at your place. Please forward me
the following info so I can issue your check . . .1.Your full name
2.Your mailing address(Physical as Ups does not deliver to P.O.Box}
3.Your phone number.** Please note that I will overnight the payment,and
you should receive it tomorrow. I appreciate you
holding this for me. Please delete the posting as I
am definitely buying it from you and it would be sad
for me to have the payment in the mail only to be
informed of the its sale also am deaf and will like to be contacted via
email.*
This immediately smelled stinky to me, and a quick Google search showed that plenty of other people have received this identical offer. From what I can tell, here’s how the scam works: The check that gets delivered is for more than the item being sold. The “buyer” instructs the seller to deposit the check anyhow, and just wire back the difference.
Perhaps you can guess how this ends. If not, here’s how it ended for a woman in Hawaii, according to a news story:
The buyer agreed to purchase the furniture for $230. She said she would send a check for $2,452 and asked the seller to deposit the check in the bank, deduct $230 and then send back the balance via Western Union. She said she would send a male friend to Western Union to pick up the check because she couldn’t leave the house. The seller agreed with the arrangement. After sending a check for the balance through Western Union, she learned that the original check was bogus.
The second scam attempt was similar — a woman saying she wanted to buy our couch as a Christmas gift for her father-in-law, and she’d send a check. I replied that I only deal in cash, and face-to-face. Her reply: “Cash on exchange is my preffered means of payment but i dont have the time .I believe you know how hard it is to get a job these days.Pls bear with me.” I don’t think we’ll be selling this person our couch.
The third interaction may be a scam or not. I’m selling my PlayStation 2 (including a bunch of games), and here’s the email I received:
I wanted to ask if you could help my son he really want a system but i lost my job last month and i couldn’t do thanksgiving good and he was sad and now he thinks christmas is going to be the same but i dont have money i was hoping i could work something out with you to help him im a good handyman i just dont like seeing him like this can you help and put a little smile on him for christmas if you can thank you and god bless if not that ok i just wanna to try to make it better for him
The only possible scam here is that he wants a free PlayStation when he could afford to pay the $90 I’m asking for it. Or maybe his story is legit. If it is, I’d be willing to help him out. Not sure what to do about this one. What do you think?
To sum up…What have I learned over the weekend?
- You may not keep furniture as long as you think, so it may not be worthwhile to pay a lot or buy it new.
- Accept only cash. Experienced sellers tell me that transacting through PayPal has worked for them, though I don’t have any personal experience on the seller side with it.
- There are a lot of people on Craigslist who should be shopping for books or software that will improve their spelling and grammar.
If you want to get rid of stuff, Craigslist works — but you have to be careful of scambags. Though I’ve never sold anything on other sites — such as eBay or Amazon — they might work as well. If you’ve used them, let us know about your experience in the comments are below.
J.D.’s note: I’m a huge Craigslist fan, but you absolutely have to watch out for scambags, as Robert calls them. In my younger naive days, I’d let “buyers” talk me into all sorts of things. For example, I traded my Nintendo Gamecube for an obsolete digital camera instead of getting cash. And I also let somebody trade me a computer that ended up being on death’s door. I’ve learned that as the seller, you can’t put up with any monkey business.
This article is about House and Home, Odds and Ends Thursday, 3rd December 2009 (by J.D. Roth)


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December 3rd, 2009 at 5:28 am
I had a good one on Ebay just the other day (item is relisted and still up for sale - let me know if you want a used (and not quite functional) video camera!)
I had a ‘buy-it-now’ option on the auction, and received notice that someone had used that. Sweet, I thought, I get enough money to satisfy me right away and I don’t have to deal with all the questions from a normal auction. I sent the buyer an invoice through Ebay, and awaited a response. The next day, I got an email from “paypal” saying I had money - $100 more than the auction+shipping fees. It also included a note to please ship the camera to Nigeria (rather than the Ebay buyer’s profile location in Washington), and that’s what the extra money was for. I then listed the item as unpaid, gave negative feedback, reported the “buyer” profile, and relisted the item.
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:37 am
I would continue a dialogue with the third “scam.” It may be legit. I usually sell on ebay and have had good success, but use craigslist for furntiure. But I give my furniture away. I don’t think people would actually pay me for my trash picked furniture and my curbside deals.
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:48 am
I’d contact the last guy and make an offer. As long as you are careful you won’t be scammed.
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:51 am
I see where you are coming from on the issue of furniture. Furniture is kind of like cars, can be very expensive for brand new furniture and there is lots of used furniture that can be had at much better prices.
We’re in the newlywed/professional stage and we’ve bought some new furniture and we are saving up for a new couch. We expect to be in our home for the next 20 years and the couch we have selected will fit our living room lay out much better than our old couch. While I could find a new to me couch second hand, I still would not have the size, shape and color couch that I want. We’ve been in our current home now since 2004 and the only new furniture purchased was a dining room table and chairs (solid wood, will keep for the next 20 years). So we think we are entitled to have a couch that fits our living room, style and life and we are willing to pay for same. The couch we have picked out will run $5000. And while that is a lot of money, we’ll pay cash for it and we’ll get good and enjoyment out of it.
After the couch, we will save for a new bed as we are sleeping on the same bed I bought straight out of college, and I think after that we will save for a new t.v. and retire the 1980s set that we have now.
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:53 am
I refuse to deal with eBay anymore. I went through crap when I tried to sell an iTouch a few years ago. The first time I listed it, the buyer was similar to the above commentors story. Except, eBay actually suspended their account for a week to determine if the person was legit or not. In the end, eBay decided they were, I did not agree and did not contine the sale. Then I relished it and the same thing happened!
So I had to pay $30 in listing fees for nothing. I ended up selling it on CL anyway.
I don’t even mind the scams on CL because they are so obvious. No, I won’t hold an item for you. No, I won’t accept a check. This is standard CL etiquette.
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:08 am
Some of the best furniture we’ve gotten (a kitchen table and chairs, two dressers, and a coffee table) has been through a local consignment shop that deals primarily in higher-quality furniture. The great thing about this is that (at least in this store) prices start high, but then drop the longer the item sits in the store. We’ve gotten some great deals on quality furniture this way.
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:14 am
I love craigslist, and have sold quite a few things on it, but I’ve also found that not everybody shows up when they say they will. I quickly learned not to turn down second and third offers because someone was “coming to pick it up.” I tell the second and third, etc. that someone else has expressed an interest in it and if they don’t want it I’ll be in touch asap. Then I tell the first that I have another offer, come get the item or I’m selling to the other person. For my dog kennel, the first guy who had been stringing me along showed up in half an hour after that happened.
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:16 am
I don’t know that I would give the 3rd guy a deal. It sounds fishy to me.
Not to sound “greedy” or stingy here, but you started out posting on Craigslist because you had stuff to sell to benefit your family, not to give stuff away. Remember that you are the person you are trying to benefit here. Gotta watch out for number 1.
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:17 am
Based on personal experience, I don’t think the situation with the PS2 is a scam, per se - but I do think it’s somebody who is trying to get something for nothing (or next to nothing.) The mention of the poor little kid and the “god bless you” are a dead giveaway.
The type of Craigslist buyer that is prevalent around here (heck, probably everywhere) is the one who does a good job of communicating with you, shows up on time with cash in hand and then spends a half hour nit-picking and fault-finding and finally offering you half of what you are asking. It’s not the lowball offers that I object to (you never know unless you ask, right?) it’s the last minute haggling and fit-throwing over the piddly little things, even after the sellers have been honest in their description/photos in their ad. It’s used furniture, people - what do you expect for $100? No, I won’t sell you my solid wood dining table with 2 leaves and 6 chairs for $40.
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:24 am
maybe for #3, since he states he is a handyman, he could barter his services for the game.
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:36 am
I’m not sure why furniture from Ikea is automatically ‘low quality’. My parents still have their Ikea dropside dining table they bought used 20+ years ago, and a 15 year old Poang chair that is still in daily use. Some quick research with Consumer Reports puts Ikea in the top 5 kitchen cabinet manufacturers (and the lowest price by a factor of two).
That being said, any cheap chipboard type furniture (Ikea does have some low quality and cheap junk) doesn’t stand up to an active family. Or even worse, if you try and move it once assembled. Go for solid wood, or plywood if you can. Avoid particleboard, pressboard,chipboard etc. As hobby woodworker, the term hardwood solids just scares me.
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:41 am
I to have sold a few things on Craigs list. Two Items I did eventually ship out of state. The first took a month of emails as I did not want to deal with the risk of shipping. Pay pal worked in both of these instances. Last summer I began to notice a big up turn in people offering to help me make money. Etc from my postings. I delete these. I now have my own store front, do ship out of state and have been able to include Google check out. Large items still go on Craig’s list.
Health issues are forcing us to down size.
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:42 am
Yeah, #3 sounds like he may be wanting to barter services - may or may not be a good deal if you need some work done.
I’ve sold and bought a ton of stuff on CL and the one thing I have learned (besides just ignoring all the #1 and #2 emails I get) is that for every ten people that say they will come by, eight will flake out. So always keep all ten of those people on the line with ‘I have someone that says they are coming to get it, but if they flake out your next in line’, and say that for everyone. Don’t just shut them down by saying it’s sold till you no longer have it in your possession.
Oddly enough, I found that listing stuff for free has an even higher flake/serious ratio. People don’t even seem to read the descriptions, they just see free junk and want it.
I once put up a soda vending machine for free, all it needed was one of the vend motors replaced to work. I literally got 150 emails in 10 minuets of listing it from people saying they would come *NOW* to get it - two people showed up. One in a Geo Metro thinking he could strap a 900lb soda machine to his roof by himself (wtf?), and one guy in a mini-truck with a couple friends. The mini truck guy got it, although he pretty much destroyed the back end of his truck with it dragging on the street as he drove (scraped) away
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:43 am
Some people offer barter for goods on Craig’s List. Some don’t. If you want cash, tell the man you will take cash only. If you want to barter to get unlicensed handyman work done around your new house with no recommendations, go for it, but I wouldn’t do it. Personally I don’t have a lot of sympathy for people who tell sob stories trying to get money, it’s been my experience that the people with actual sob stories don’t go around acting like that, and the people who act like that are scamming you.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:01 am
I agree that #3 looks like he wants to barter. I’d see about fleshing it out a bit before you decide, but I wouldn’t knock it out if you do have some things for which a handyman would be useful.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:02 am
I’m with Lindsay- I think #3 is a “sob story” trying to scam you. If he were serious about trying to obtain a free Playstation for his son, he could have spent 5 minutes trying to correct the grammar and spelling in his post. If he cared enough- he could have taken the time.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:13 am
I recommend selling on Amazon Marketplace. I had a number of annoying experiences on eBay and thus for most items I do not sell on eBay. eBay is only really good for stuff that is fairly obscure or collectible which can’t be sold on Amazon and is unlikely to be sold on Craigslist unless you are in a major metro area (and maybe not even then). I’ve had good luck with such items allowing international buyers, as long as I make shipping high enough, there are some folks out there willing to spend some money to buy items that perhaps they can’t find in their home countries.
Craiglist is just hit or miss, but I always list there first because it’s free. As long as you always do in person cash transactions, should be OK.
Amazon Marketplace is awesome because the stuff stays listed for 90 days, it doesn’t cost you anything if it doesn’t sell, and if it does sell the person has already paid and Amazon deposits the money directly into your bank account (minus their fee). I found this a very easy way to sell things like books, electronics etc., just be sure to be honest in your description and price the item accordingly compared to others being offered.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 am
If an honest, competent handyman wanted to barter work for a playstation, he would do so without resorting to emotional blackmail. I call scam.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:18 am
Maybe I’m jaded, but #3 sounds like a scam to me. First, there’s the grammar - we don’t normally write the way we talk. Then he’s mentioned he’s a ‘handyman’ and wants to work something out. That would require you revealing your address. Then this ‘handyman’ gets real handy in the middle of the night with your Christmas presents and whatever else appeals to him.
If you really want to pursue it, ask for his address and tell him you’ll donate the Playstation to his son. Then see what his response is.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:30 am
Craigslist is a hit or miss proposition. I have successfully sold several things, but I have had my fair share of scammers and flakes. I have had several of the #1 flake mentioned above. What gets me going is when I get a response that is so poorly worded as to be incomprehensible, completely in “textspeak” or what appears to be Klingon. Most times I don’t respond. I know, my loss, but past experience has jaded me in dealing with these types.
I also never have the potential buyer come to my residence to examine the item. I am just not a very trusting individual anymore. Of course, so far everthing that I have sold is either small or moves under its own power.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:30 am
Craig’s list is full of moochers who want things for free. I would prefer if they would stick to freecycle instead.
Whatever you do, don’t list something as free. You’ll get all sorts of weirdos at your house. I try to charge at least a few bucks for things to weed out the scaries.
Another scam if you’re selling something:
“My brother-in-law just had a great experience making some extra money…please contact me if you’re interested”. It’s someone trying to sell a pyramid scheme.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:34 am
I agree with Alex @ #11. Furniture from IKEA is not automatically inferior. I redid my kitchen with IKEA cabinets and spent less than 3K doing it.I also get a 10 year warranty which is more than what I’d get if I went with Home Depot.The cabinets were simple to assemble too. I went to one of the fancy Kitchen remodeler and got a price tag of 25K for the same cabinets.Wood is good, but doesn’t make sense all the time!
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:36 am
It’s possible that #3 is legit. However, I do agree with MissPrism, the emotional blackmail is a huge turnoff.
I recognize that some less web-savvy people might not understand that many scams use that approach, and don’t realise that doing it makes them sound like a scammer. *sigh* If that’s the case, I feel sorry for the guy, but I still would not trade with him.
If I had listed a PS2 and wasn’t on the lookout for a handyman, I would not consider it. I’m not going to invite a person I didn’t know, whose services I didn’t seek, into my home/yard/whatever. Sorry, but internet scammers have ruined it for legitimate people, and you can’t be too careful these days.
ETA: I agree with the people saying that something from IKEA is not automatically junk. I’ve had some pieces for years and years. the only things from IKEA I’ve ever had to get rid of were decorative items that no longer matched my decor, and a desk that I outgrew. I will fully admit that they are not the same quality as solid wood furniture, but then, it’s not supposed to be. If you are hard on your belongings, they will show more wear and tear than if you are gentle, regardless of what they are made of.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:37 am
I’d be a bit freaked by the handyman thing. I’m a bit wary of letting strangers in my house in the first place, and for the contractor, you probably won’t supervise the guy every minute he’s in your house. So here’s my math: broke guy + unsupervised in house = I wouldn’t do it.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:40 am
I’m surprised no one’s mentioned Kijiji yet. Maybe it’s just a Canadian site? I prefer Kijiji for both buying and selling. Buying, because it features photos and a more “eBay-like” listing interface, selling because there are no listing fees, even if your item sells. It’s entirely ad-revenue driven. I find the audience is plenty big, I’ve had no problem getting offers when selling things. When I’m looking for things, I find Kijiji has more items listed in the same category than Craigslist does.
Of course, the same “scam-avoidance” rules apply. In all my ads, I make it clear that the exchange must take place in person, I will not ship, and I will only accept cash. You’ll always get some people from out of town wanting your item, and if they’re legit, I feel a little bad for them. However, I made it clear in my ad, “LOCAL PICKUP ONLY,” and I won’t ship. There are always plenty of local people willing to buy my item, so Joe OutOfTown will just have to check the listings for his OWN city, if he’s legit.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:42 am
I’ve also found that Amazon marketplace is a good replacement for ebay. The only problem I’ve encountered is that there are certain items you can’t see through marketplace. Books, DVDs, and software are easy to sell, but I tried to sell a new in box salon hair dryer and was unable to list it.
Whatever I can’t sell on marketplace goes to craigslist, if I can’t sell it on craigslist it goes to goodwill. I don’t trust ebay anymore.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:42 am
I like the comment how you outgrew your ‘nice’ furniture. So many people talk about buying “high quality expensive” furniture and they end up selling it long before it wears out. What’s the point?
And what are people doing with this “cheap” IKEA furniture? - we have all kinds of furniture from there and it lasts just fine.
As another commenter mentioned out kitchen cabinets are from IKEA and they are pretty good. (And they weren’t cheap either).
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:45 am
A few thoughts…
1) The state of people’s writing and grammar abilities is heartbreaking and terrible. It’s depressing. Get a clue, people. And if you didn’t learn when you were young, take some initiative and teach yourself as an adult. You’ll never advance far in life with a writing ability like some of the emails referenced above.
2) I would not deal with #3. It’s not straight-forward enough to me to seem honest. If I were honestly making such an appeal, I’d be way more direct. I wouldn’t make so many attempted tear-jerker references to my child, Thanksgiving, etc. And besides, how can a child be disappointed by Thanksgiving?? All you need to do is serve a decent meal. No child is expecting gifts or will notice if some expensive food items are missing from the dinner. It makes no sense. And given how much I hate bad grammar, I would recoil and delete the email immediately anyway. Perhaps that’s snobby, but I don’t care. I’m not asking for genius, but at least show an ability to use a period!
3) I love Ikea. I’m not sure why it seems all the rage to knock their furniture. I’m now a professional, and I could afford to pay more for furniture. Sometimes I do. But, I often still choose to buy from Ikea, and I have had many of their things for years with no sign of problems or early wear and tear. Their design is great. Even if something were cheap and fell apart in a few years, I’ve still gotten my money out of it given how cheap some things are. I have a few stylish Ikea bookshelves that I love, and I’m guessing they will last forever. They just sit there holding my books and decorations — it’s not like there’s any way they could break or show that they were less than $200 each.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:48 am
I’ve learned a lot today! Great post and discussion.
To add to the Ikea thread: I have a bedroom se that I bought new. Really pretty. Maybe the quality depends on how well you put it together because I have to tighten all the darned screws every coile of weeks. Never again!
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:48 am
I’ve learned a lot today! Great post and discussion.
To add to the Ikea thread: I have a bedroom se that I bought new. Really pretty. Maybe the quality depends on how well you put it together because I have to tighten all the darned screws every couple of weeks. Never again!
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:54 am
I would be careful of the Playstation email. My husband and I were trying to sell a Wii on Craigslist and got a VERY similar email. Some sob story from this lady about how her son really wanted a Wii for christmas, but she couldn’t afford it and could he buy ours for a ridiculously low price ($45) with money he collected from selling chicken eggs that he had been picking up for a year.
We said nope. Sounded way too much like a scam.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:55 am
Some thoughts on the the third “scam” with the PS2. I am a long time user of craigslist. I have bought and sold probably close to 100 times over the past few years. I have received emails very very similar to what you are describing which leads me to believe that it is in fact a scam of some sort, thought I am not sure in what way. Although I am not a grammar expert, I would never do business with anybody that types that poorly. There is no excuse not to type correctly, especially when transacting business. Craigslist or not, everyone knows that you should use periods, commas, and capital letters. My advice is to stay away from this. I sold my PS2 and 14 games about a year ago to a couple whose friend had leg surgery and was laid up for a few months. I think I got $75 for it. Good luck!
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:01 am
I have successfully sold items on Craigslist over the past couple of years. However, you do need to beware of scams.
Here’s another one to add to the list: people selling cars that are not in their name!
My husband is looking for a work truck . He recently looked at one a guy was selling supposedly for his uncle, and the seller told him this big sob story about his son’s birthday coming up and he needed money to buy a gift. My husband looked at the truck, it was in horrible condition and barely able to run and declined to make an offer. It was all very fishy!
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:01 am
I love Craigslist! I bought and sold my car on Craigslist, got apartments, rented art studio, bought and sold furniture, sold camping equipment, etc. You never know what you’ll find on the site! In fact, I met the first group of my friends through Craigslist ‘activity partner’ when I moved to Boston after college!
I’ve also gotten a scam email before when I was looking for a new apartment. I actually corresponded with the person several times but he was ‘in London’ and couldn’t be there in person. I was suspicious especially after the emails got a bit strange. On the other hand - many years ago before CL got popular, I was looking for a roommate in Boston and the guy was in Senegal studying abroad. The plans fell through but I did meet him in person! So I guess anything is possible.
Robert - I think you should meet the PS2 person face to face. Maybe he is being honest and really want to buy a present for the son. You can usually tell once you see their reactions in person whether they are being honest or not.
I don’t really like eBay that much because you are not dealing locally. I think they only things I sold on eBay were collectors items.
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:04 am
In my experience, I have had several scammers use really bad grammar and almost no punctuation. I suppose they are trying to look real? It sounds snobby, but really horrible grammar is a red flag for me.
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:11 am
CL is great! We’re buying a new house and buying anything we “need” for it off CL, great deals, I’ve also been selling on there for a while and had great luck, you get to see the best and worse of people.
On guy #3 I would get a little more info. It would be less fishy if he just said, will you barter work for it instead of giving a sob story. I’m a Christian but a random God Bless in the middle of a business transaction throws me off, people show their faith through their heart and actions, not words. I would get more info (details) by email and then get him on the phone and verify, see if the story matches up. I would not let him in the house whatever you do, he may be too desperate! So a little outside painting, landscaping should be fine.
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:11 am
Something else my husband and I consider as we are starting to buy more “nice” furniture is kids (which we don’t have yet) and what future kids may potentially wreck or damage.
Regarding #3 CL responder, I would delete it and not think twice. If he really can’t afford the console how could he afford a single game? These things are not cheap. Also it is sad, but I agree with the poster who said that “God bless you” is an instant clue-in to sketchyness - how sad!
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:19 am
So timely! We have a kitchen island that we bought when we got our house (we had zero drawers or counters). We just redid our kitchen and listed the island, and someone came to look at it this morning. She offered the list price for the island but also wanted the chairs included, and said she’d leave me a check for part of it and come back on Sunday to pick it up (it obviously would not fit in her car today).
— we’ve never sold anything this big!
So… from this it sounds like I should ask for cash and leave the item listed until she pays (in cash) and picks up??
Thanks for any advice
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:24 am
LOL! I agree - there are a LOT of people out there that need grammar lessons. I can barely read some people’s emails.
Great article!
Cheers!
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:26 am
I have bought and sold countless items via craigslist, including cars, collectibles, mundane every day items and more. It’s a great way to get rid of some junk and find some new treasures.
There’s a reason why craigslist has multiple warnings about mailing payments, wire transfers, direct deposit and other non-cash methods of payment.
For some reason, it warrants repeating. Only deal face to face directly with the buyer/seller. Only pay or accept payment in cash. If someone isn’t willing to meet you in person, or won’t make the deal with cash, it’s a scam. Period.
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:30 am
Loved the story, I have sold many many things on Amazon and Ebay and have (knock on wood) not had the problems I have heard so much of on Craigslist. I agree with your story and am in the process of weeding out lots of “stuff” as I type. I believe I will try craigslist for the large furniture pieces and keep writing
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:33 am
If you pursue the barter - make sure the person has the skills necessary to get the job you negotiate done correctly. I would remind you, like others have, that 1) you’re trying to make cash off this sale and 2) long winded stories riddled with bad grammer is a huge red flag, scam or not.It may not be worth your time to try and deal with this individual.
Proceed with caution, but enjoy the new sales venue! I love craigslist, it’s really a great way to clear out bulky items that wouldn’t be easy to ship and there’s no listing fees!
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 am
“There are a lot of people on Craigslist who should be shopping for books or software that will improve their spelling and grammar.” Funny but sad as well. To a certain extent, I think this reflects a shift in the way we communicate. We have embraced e-mail, texting and tweeting, and many seem to believe that the rules of grammar do not apply to these forms of communication.
But the larger problem is the general decline in literacy (and numeracy) in our society. I wince at bad grammar, poor sentence structure and spelling mistakes that occur with alarming regularity, even in major publications. Perhaps it’s time to rethink the “no child left behind” philosphy in our education system. We won’t see any improvement until kids actually learn the “three r’s” properly.
Just my two cents …
JS
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:49 am
I also agree about the “nice” furniture that you thought you needed. Both my sister and my brother-in-law are looking to unload their expensive dining room sets that they bought when they were young. My sister is newly divorced, and while she is still in the same house, they never use the dining room set. And frankly it’s too big for the room anyway. My brother-in-law is widowed, and of course he couldn’t have anticipated that tragedy, but it was still too big for the room in their original house. I guess they bought it thinking that they would move to a larger house in which such pieces would fit. In general, that large type of furniture just doesn’t work in most homes. We’re really happy with the hand me down set from my husband’s grandmother. It’s classic, and more importantly, small (and free!).
My experiences on Craigslist have been hit or miss. I actually do the best with free items, because I find people show more often. And I don’t even see them. I just leave it on my porch. One was particularly touching and a legit version of your potential scam #3. It was a surround sound system that was broken (but easily repaired). We listed it for free, and a woman responded who said her husband had just lost his job. He had a birthday that week, but they really couldn’t afford a present. He was a tinkerer with electronics and she knew he would enjoy playing with the system. Anyway, the whole family showed up to pick it up. And then I received a follow up e-mail thanking me again. Overall a very nice experience that I wouldn’t have had if I didn’t make the effort.
Someone above mentioned haggling on Craigslist, which I agree is prevalent and really annoying. I recently listed a Men’s 5 speed bike that needed a little TLC. I listed it for $10 and had one guy e-mail and offer $5. Really? $10 is already pretty cheap. I ended up donating it to a charity. I’ve decided in the future that if anyone haggles with me while already there to pick it up, I’m just going to say no. I price things fairly.
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:49 am
I agree, we are fortunate here that the posters at GRS look at their emails and fix spelling etc. before posting!
I also second the suggestion above about consignment shops — you make make a little less, but you are spared all the hassles and you are supporting a local business. Similarly, I’m likely to take things to goodwill and get a donation receipt instead of trying to sell things myself (also love shopgoodwill.com when I want to buy — a win-win since I’m also supporting a good charity!)
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:52 am
Suzanne @ 29/30 - you can put a bit of lock tight in the screw holes if they are the ones with metal internals. If it’s wood put in a little bit of all purpose glue. Either way it should hold the screws in place.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 am
Robert and J.D,
Great article, but the BEST part was this statement:
There are a lot of people on Craigslist who should be shopping for books or software that will improve their spelling and grammar.
Laughed out loud as I sipped my morning coffee. My favorite dry humor.
(Hope I spelled everything right…)
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:13 am
Thanks Bear.
And maybe someone can point out how to make edits to a comment from my Blackberry without accidentally re-posting. (That was a rhetorical question; I’m just technologically inferior).
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:20 am
Luckily my employer has an online forum for selling things to other co-workers. Since we all work at the same company, at least you have some assurance that the person is legit and not scamming you. I’ll accept a personal check from a co-worker, but generally cash it the medium of exchange. It’s also been a great way to get rid of free stuff without using something like freecycle.
With stuff I’ve sold on craigslist, the only option is CASH. No checks, no IOU’s, livestock, trades, payment plans or the like. eBay seems like more hassle than it’s worth for the stuff I’m selling, which typically is under $50/item.
I would also agree about the horrid grammar and spelling out there. I know not everyone is an English major, but the old axiom of “you never get a second chance to make a good first impression” has seem to have been tossed by the wayside with the “invention” of txtspk/l33tspk. It’s pathetic.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
Those scumbagscambags are waiting for us. They want to overpay by check and have us refund the “difference”. Yeah, Right!
John DeFlumeri Jr
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:41 am
I don’t think I would hire a handyman unless I needed one and he had references that I had checked and trusted, no matter how I was paying him.
Dang it, reading the comments I’m not sure I spelled handyman right and have to check it or I’ll die of embarrassment. (It was spelled incorrectly… whew, quick save!)
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:50 am
We’ve furnished our apartment with Craigslist furniture. We only look for higher quality goods and they’ve all turned out great. Selling isn’t nearly as easy as buying, but luckily we don’t have much left to sell these days.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:56 am
I don’t recall getting too many outright scams on CL (if I did - including #3 - I deleted them and moved on so fast I’ve since forgotten). But some of the people are a bit sleazy. We gave away a lot of furniture one year and some of the people were practically casing the place, asking if we would give away other stuff, including trying to get stuff we had promised to other people and asking about specific items we were keeping for ourselves.
Also, our experience with IKEA furniture has been poor enough to merit “never again.” This is especially true of their dressers - I have yet to encounter one that didn’t have the bottom fall out, casters start breaking, etc etc. We got one for free from a friend that they put plastic slides in - seriously, cheap thin plastic as a moving part? The fact that IKEA is willing to even sell furniture with such a poor design decision is telling. Our other experience is with a coffee table - even without moving parts, it got wobbly after 6 months, and was made of some soft wood that got marked up really easily.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:58 am
As for the “handyman”, I was taught never to hire any kind of worker that isn’t bonded and insured. The risk you would take having a stranger in your home in order to get a small amount of “work” done seems extremely high. If you want to help someone less fortunate, give the game to a local charity. I’m sure they know some truly needy families that could use it.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:05 am
I was getting several junk mails on Craigslist with the offer of looking at their websites. Something along the lines of this, ” You do not have to let go of your stuff, if you are in need of money take a look at this website and keep your stuff your trying to sell.”
Now I am selling this stuff because I don’t need it, it’s taking up space, and I just don’t want it, but since I think it’s worth something I am trying to make a little off of it.
So now in my craigslist posting, I post something at the bottom in red and bold writing stating something like this,” No scammers, no soliciting, no contacting me to look at your site. Anyone that spams me with any kind of offers or scams will be reported and I will also report you to the companies owner that you are trying to market.” Since I have been posting this, I have not received any junk emails.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 am
I like your use of the word “scumbag.” It gives you a certain John Walsh/America’s Most Wanted street cred. Let’s get those furniture scammers off the streets!
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
I sold my 96 corolla to a guy on craigslist a couple of weeks ago. This is an older car that he bought for $1500 bucks. He continues to call me/bug me even though the transaction is over and is driving me nuts. He did give me cash, but what do you do in this situation?
For example - he calls to ask what to do when the steering starts to squeak. At this point, I am ignoring all calls/email, maybe he will go away.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:27 am
Same thing happened to me on Craig’s list. Made $150 on a pool table and almost got scammed for $2300.
http://bit.ly/82Laqw
On the upside, I was careful and managed to downsize my life significantly, using it. Helped restore my financial stability.
Thanks for posting this! It’s nice to know I’m not alone…
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
The third scam-
1. Start with a sob story,
2. Get free electronics in return for some sort of work inside house.
3. Request to do the work midday (will find out whether anyone is home).
4. Scope out the house (someone with extra electronics must have money, let’s see what’s there)
4. No security & working couple not home during the day = JACKPOT
5. Remove contents of the house when owners are away.
“Thanks for the playstation I would have hung that flatscreen for you, but I can’t find it, I think it’s in my van!
PS. My name’s not actually John Smith, and my email can’t track me down. My work truck was a rental with a fake plate.”
You should always turn down unsolicited work on your house, it’s one of the easiest ways to scope out what’s inside.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:38 am
I am in the post grad stage and most of my furniture is from leftovers that family does not want anymore or that I bought on craigslist.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:52 am
Here’s my take on number 3: I’m guessing it is a scam. But if it is not, here’s a different financial viewpoint. I believe that all of us should live within our means. Our means might include unemployment, food stamps, charity guilds, etc. or it might include a regular paycheck, etc. If you have no money, what are you teaching your kids when they get an expensive video game system for xmas? So many folks borrow to the hilt at xmas so their children won’t be “disappointed” or, in other words, know the truth about their family finances, that there is little or no money. This is how these kids grow up and think they can get anything they want with insufficient means. And they suffer throughout their lives with financial problems. They basically have a very skewed picture of reality when it comes to money. There are lots of groups who will provide xmas gifts for children who are in need. The guy should sign up for one of those.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
LOL, welcome to 1999. This, on Craigslist, has been going on for just about a decade. I’ll admit, I sometimes also get borderline ones. Here’s my advice:
Craigslist is not a charity. As you’ve seen, there are SO many buyers for cheap goods. Only respond to the potential deals that will maximize your profits. This means on Craigslist:
1) They come to you.
2) They haul it away.
3) They pay cash.
If you really do just want to help someone out, just lower the price but leave those conditions.
@elysianconfusion Yes it could be a scam! If it’s a local bank, cash the check 1 WEEK before she comes to pick it up. Otherwise, it’s likely she’ll pay you cash on Sunday, but that initial check will bounce (or may even be fraudulent). In any case, doesn’t cash just sound easier?
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:08 am
I’m with Mary. If story #3 is true, it’s sad; but when a parent loses a job is EXACTLY the right time to teach children that you can’t always get what you want. That parent could do a lot more good for his kid by sitting down and going over the household budget with him and showing him how X + Y = broke.
Also, the mean part of me says, if #3 is true, this guy needs to find a local GED program or equivalent stat (most are low to no-cost, many through state unemployment offices) because he’s basically unemployable with those language skills.
On topic: I tried Craigslist exactly once and found the whole process so tiresome (and unproductive) that the item in question is now sitting on our patio where at least I don’t have to walk around it every day. Some day we’ll borrow a truck and take it to a consignment store.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:08 am
As to the couch - she offers check, you say you want cash, she responds that times are hard. How could you be willing to write a check but not pay in cash…unless its a scam?!
As to the final one, I’m with you. Go with your gut on these things.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:14 am
I’ve had nothing but good experiences on CL, buying and selling, and I think it’s actually an amazing example of the power of community. I’ve met some really interesting people along the way. Yes, of course, you have to use common sense. Don’t bother answering anyone who wants to overnight you a check. Stay local and meet people face-to-face. If you don’t want to haggle just say price is firm and keep repeating if necessary. And about the grammar and spelling: is it worth getting miffed about it? Does it really matter?
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
Regarding IKEA it really depends on what you are buying there. If you go for their cheapest stuff then you get furniture that lasts the time it takes to acquire a Master’s degree. It’s a good choice if you are a student who need furniture for your dorm.
If you go for their more expensive stuff (but still cheap, relative to other shops) then you get furniture that can last for decades.
I bought the cheapest you can get when I started at the university and it has been fine, but will not last much longer. We also have IKEA furniture of a higher quality that my parents paid for, and that will still be of good use in ten years or more.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Re: selling the PS2…
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck…
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
That reminds me of a buddy of mine trying to sell his 91 Toyota POS, in Rust with specles of white. Perfect. Why wouldn’t he get an iquiry like this!! Verbatim, location witheld:
“hi i am interested in da car u have fo sale. was wonderin if u would accept any interestin trades or work. i have a dave chappelle autographed pic in a frame I could trade you? or maybe somethin else if u give me sum ideas? otherwise i could come and clean yo house or somethin for like 4 weeks or somethin cause i liv in *******. what u think? let me know asap”
“Thanks, but no thanks. I’m just going for cash.”
“ahh mann. come on my bro you cant do this to me man. all i got in da bank is 1 hundred dollas. whats da lowest price u willing to go? i dont wanna start making threats or nothin but sometime a blackman gotta do what a blackman gotta do. throw me a bone or somethin. i gotta couple hos in ******** that i could set u up with if u in to dat kinda thing. i think you like. come on man help a brotha out.”
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Face-to-face. Cash.
Another thing to remember: if it takes longer than 2 sentences to explain (ie: “I’m selling the bike because I don’t ride it anymore”, or “I’m buying a bike because I need one”), then it raises my scam-alert. Even if something isn’t a scam, I don’t want to be involved in someone else’s drama.
Drama = problems later = I’m part of that drama.
No thanks.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:27 pm
First two are scams. Third one’s probably a moocher, don’t deal with him either.
So let’s say the PS2 sob story is true… Giving them the PS2 would be encouraging a bad trait. If a father has no money to spend for thanksgiving or for any holiday, then he shouldn’t be thinking about getting a PS2 in the first place. He’s sending the wrong message to his child.
He should be thinking of getting basic necessities. People are more willing to give food for the holidays so everyone can celebrate no matter how small.
What’s next? PS2’s worthless without game discs so is he going to try and get those for free too?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
@Josh — now I know where the speakers I bought out of the back of a van came from!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
A donation of your playstation is not a good option. Sell the system and then give them a gift certificate to McDonalds, after you check into it and think they are really in need.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Susan in CO, yeah. My fiancé recently sold a lens on CL and when he met the buyer, he was all “Oh, I only have $150 in cash on me, will you just take that? Since you already drove all the way out here and all?”
When my fiancé said no, the buyer magically found enough cash to pay the asking price. Funny how that works. Nice try dude, but no.
But yeah. Cash only, face-to-face transactions, in public places if at all possible. Make that your personal Craigslist policy, and if someone tries to talk you into something different, just repeat “I’m sorry, but I will only accept cash in a face-to-face transaction.” If they can’t find a way to make that happen, they simply don’t get the item, oh well.
I would not deal with #3. I don’t trust unsolicited sob stories, and wouldn’t let an unknown person into my home. If you want to give something away for free, join your local Freecycle group (check Yahoo Groups). I’ve had great experiences there — good way to declutter stuff that is not in good enough condition to sell, or isn’t worth any money, but is still usable. And it makes me feel great to see someone else so happy with stuff that, for me, was just taking up space. (I have actually not met any weirdos yet, but I always meet people in a populated public place anyway.)
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Another great post, Robert…I always look forward to your inciteful (and hilarious) comments! One of my favorite quotes ever…”There are a lot of people on Craigslist who should be shopping for books or software that will improve their spelling and grammar.”
I have been selling on ebay for 8 years now. I have had my share of “bad apples”, but more often than not people are decent and honest, and I have made a nice bit of money off outgrown clothing (children’s) and purged books, toys, kitchen items, etc. More money…less clutter…what could be better?! I have sold twice on Craigslist (after followings JD’s advice)…large items that I don’t want to ship….but I am always uncomfortable with it. I HATE having someone come to my house….it seems very unsafe.
I personally would not deal with offer #3. I apologize if it’s legitimate, but many previous posters have brought up valid issues to be wary of. I donate tons of stuff to my husband’s business every few months or so…to be distributed amongst those who need it most. Another good option is Goodwill, because they will make sure it goes to someone really needy…not a scammer.
Oh…and to those who think they will buy furniture to last “the next 20 years”…I agree with Robert…you will end up getting rid of the $5000.00 sofa (or whatever “nice” furniture you buy) other than a few favorites later, as your tastes and needs change. You will not want 3 children and a dog piled on your $5000 sofa…not that I have any personal experience or anything!
Robert, Please keep up the great posts!!
PS - you would probably make more money selling it on ebay…and wouldn’t have to deal with the scammers so much. They have to pay through paypal, or you re-list and get your money back from ebay if the sale doesn’t go through. Just a suggestion. If it’s a hassle, just find someone who lists already and pay them a commission.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
The third ‘offer’ doesn’t seem right. If you want to donate your playstation, go find a shelter or Ronald McDonald house and give it to them. They will make sure it is used by all of the residents.
My gut tells me this person is looking for free stuff to turn around and resell.
If you choose to respond (which I wouldn’t) suggest they contact one of the Children’s Christmas Charities: Toys for Tots, Angel Tree, Salvation Army, etc. Or check out http://www.charitynavigator.org
There are plenty of legitimate organizations out there helping folks like this and it’s a known problem that there are scammers who will take advantage of the financial crises like this.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Re: offer #3
After reading scores of autobiographies and biographies of famous people, I came to a conclusion:
People that have a Destiny Life that impacts multitudes usually had a horrid childhood, ending up with a troubled early adulthood. They didn’t accept failure, didn’t get a bailout, but failed miserably, picked themselves up time after time and moved into Greatness.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I’ve bought, sold and given away stuff on Craig’s list. Seems like their are more no-shows on the free items on Craig’s list. I no longer do the free giveaways on CL but use Freecycle for that, seems to be a better class of people and no-shows can get reported to the moderator and kicked off the list. I think people have digital trigger finger in responsding to the free ad (each to click and send a message), but then cop out because it takes the time and effort to pick the item up. I don’t mind if they let me know in advance they can’t come and get it. Whereas if something really wants something and is willing to pay something for it, they are more likely to show up. Less of my for sale items end up as no-shows. I also don’t like bargaining and haggling that goes on via email. I price my stuff very cheap so it will sell and be gone. Like I will look at similar items for sale on CL and then price my item below that. Despite dirt cheap price, someone will try to bargain me down from that cheap price. I get mad about that. One person also did the “this is all the money I have” play when they showed up, and I let them have it for that amount, but I got really irritated with myself. If that ever happens again, I will just say, OK then I will sell it to my backup buyer (who may or may not exist) and stand my ground. I have seen people post ads that say they will only respond to emails that use complete sentences. LOL.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:19 pm
When my ex-husband dumped me and left with his GF, I was soo happy for anyone to take out of the house for whatever price that expensive leather couch that he used to love. And our bed. And all the other crap he liked. I sold it all real cheap, through my local community’s want ads. Wonderful feeling!
I think people get too attached to furniture. You don’t really need all that much, and it’s not ever so expensive that you can’t afford to give it away if you don’t like it.
It feels good to be starting over!
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
I’ve sold all kinds of things on Craigslist. I always list “in person, cash only” and repeat that if anyone tries to offer differently. I find that weeds out scammers since they never email back.
When we moved we decided to sell our mismatched, old furniture and a bunch of little stuff. We raised over 1000 to buy stuff for the new place with. Selling on craigslist can be frustrating, because many legit people will say they’ll come by and then never show, but all in all, it was totally worth it.
As for haggling, I’ve learned to list high and put OBO in there. Some people don’t like to haggle, and will just pay asking price. Other people seem to live for the dealing, and then I still get a fair price. Either way, it works out generally.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
#3 sounds like this… he wants you to have your heart strings pulled and give it to him for free. Then he’ll go resell it on Ebay. If you happen to ask for some work or something in return somehow it just won’t work out.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I love Craigslist, but it certainly brings out either the best or the worst in people. When selling, I always post my price and ‘cash only, price firm’ to dissuade people who would like to barter. I also will not ‘hold’ an item for someone to come see it - it’s first come, first served. If you can’t get here until Saturday to come look at it and someone else can get here Friday, they have first opportunity to buy. Be fair, but don’t be a pushover. If the tables were turned, the person you’re doing business with would expect you to understand the same rules!
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
I learned my lesson about being “too nice” when I put a musical instrument on CL. I had a response from a man who really wanted it. But he had to wait until his wife’s paycheck came in, so could I hold it for a few days? I agreed, because it was the second time I’d tried to sell the thing and this was the first offer I’d gotten.
Cut to several weeks later. After plenty of emails and phone calls with more and more delays followed by assurances that he really wanted the item, but no follow-through, followed by his sudden lack of responses to my attempts to connect with him to transact the sale, I relisted it.
Almost immediately, he emailed me, upset that it was relisted when he said HE was going to buy it. I apologized, and said since I hadn’t heard from him, I’d assumed he was no longer interested. He insisted he was, and gave me a story about his VA check being delayed but as soon as he got it…
Needless to say, I listed the thing three times, and it is still sitting in my living room, unsold. It is a Fender 5-string banjo that I’d bought new, played maybe three times for 10 minutes each time before giving up in frustration. It was priced well, and it has a hardshell case.
What a waste. I should have said, “I’ll give you four days for you to collect your money, accept cash only, otherwise it goes back up for sale.” I honestly don’t understand the motivation for putting me through this runaround if he had no intention of actually buying it.
Another note: if someone sent a check for more money than the item was worth, I’d tell them I’ll ship once the check clears, then have the bank verify funds.
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
The way I envision the third one playing out is the guy shows up, agrees to do some work around your house, makes a big deal about what a great job he’s going to do and proceeds to stretch out about 30 minutes work into an hour and a half. Then he’s going to sprain his ankle or get an “emergency” phone call and try to talk you into giving him the playstation and he’ll come back tomorrow to finish. He’ll leave his wheelbarrow as collateral, he’ll say. You’ll never see him again and the wheelbarrow is worth $5.
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I’ve had good experiences on Craig’s list. But I list my stuff at a good (low) price, say non-neg, and the terms are in person, in cash. That way you get multiple offers so if the first person doesn’t want to pay my asking price, I say I’ll just go to next person in line. And yes have had 1 person show up with check, I repeated cash only, they hemmed and hawed and then came back with cash. Keep it simple. But yes I think anyone who lists on CL will get with each listing at least 1 email/phone message basically asking for the item you are selling for free, and I just ignore those.
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Whatever you guys do, never go through an ESCROW account!
Always insist on speaking to the person live. CL is sketcheeeee
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Yeah, I sold a treadmill via Craigslist. Got it out of the house and into the garage at the front of the house, so I wouldn’t have the buyer walking through admiring my bigscreen and other goodies inside.
Arranged to meet him during the day when the kids and other neighbors were all walking home from school - lots of people around. And I made sure he heard my rottweiler barking from the house, too.
The less people can pin down about your comings and goings, the safer you’ll be. And a big dog helps, too.
And I love Ikea stuff, too. If you buy the slightly more expensive pieces, it’s solid. Just avoid the $10 dressers and you’re good.
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
The 3rd one’s probably legit. So what? Her kid should get YOUR Playstation because she can’t buy one? If they’re as broke as she says, a better gift would be a food basket or a warm, winter coat. She’s basically asking you to make a non-tax-deductible contribution to her son.
It’s like the Christmas donation trees where the kids are asking for expensive toys or game systems or computers. Pretty much anyone can sign up for them. We only take ones that are asking for practical items.
If you want to give someone $90, you have my PayPal…
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:30 pm
In the end, in the case of #3, it’s really all about the type of person you choose to be. If you truly do need the $90, then of course play it safe and find another buyer. But if the money’s not crucial, you might take a chance and help a fellow human being. Sure, you could be taken, and this person could be lying. Ever heard the phrase “Paying rent to the ideal”? — the ideal being that we should all be good to each other, and the rent being the odd time when people take advantage of us or let us down. I think it’s worth it in the grander scheme of things to pay a little rent sometimes…
December 4th, 2009 at 3:37 am
A few people have stated they always use “firm price” in their ads. This is fine if you’re sure the item’s worth your asking price (or more), but I’ve seen a decent number of CL ads where someone’s offering something for a “firm price” when the item isn’t worth that.
So… you can do that, but be willing to lower your price if nobody wants it for what you’re asking.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:50 am
In our area of New England, the number of Craigslist users is appallingly small. Most seem to use the personals more than the selling or job sides of the site. To sell something you practically have to offer it at a give-away price. It is slowly changing, the numbers of Craigslist users has increased in the past few years.
But luckily the quirkiness of the local users allows me to smell a scam artist a mile away.
If someone isn’t willing to give you a local phone number don’t deal with them. And request the number in your ad. It saves you 1/2 a day to a full day of waiting around for them to email a number to you.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Freecycle and Craigslist just annoy the heck out of me. People stand us up all the time, especially with Freecycle. “I’ll be there Saturday at noon” so you rearrange your schedule to be there. Then they don’t show… “Oh, I’m still interested in your 400 pound dresser, let’s meet at….”
Forget it. The item’s going in the garbage. If someone really likes it, they can pick it up off the curb.
Also, I work in a bank…I’m sure you are all smart enough to never, ever send money back via wire transfer or money order for an “overpayment”…it’s always a scam! So are secret shopping and foreign lotteries. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to explain “No, you did not win the Australian lottery, since A) You’ve never been to Australia, B) You did not buy a ticket, and C) You can’t legally play foreign lotteries in the US. Sorry, you did not win $1 million.” or “sorry, your secret shopping job just cost you $3000 out of YOUR pocket.”
Sometimes that hopefulness just outweigh’s people’s common sense.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
I agree, it sounds like the third guy wants to work out some kind of barter arrangement. You could at least see what he’s offering.
December 5th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
My thoughts on how #3 could be a scam: resell for more than they get it for. I’m a regular on a couponing site and there are lots of stories of lost or stolen coupons (all high value frees), gift cards, and sundry other items this time of year. Most are hoping for some pity handouts: basically, something for nothing. It’s very common.
I’d skip #3. Tales of disappointed children are a stock in trade for scammers. I can’t afford expensive gifts for my kids (most this Christmas are unopened items I bought at rummage sales) and I would never ask someone selling a high-ticket item to just up and give it to me. There are lots of options for poor families, freecycle being front & center. I also agree with the poster who pointed out that the recipient would still need to purchase the pricey games to go with it. IMHO, it’s not a legitimate request.
You know, if you really want to help some kid this year, contact a local children’s hospital & see if there’s a particular patient whose family is in a tight spot or if the hospital itself could use the system.
December 5th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
I have bought and sold many items on ebay and craigslist. From my experience: ebay is excellent, the rating of the seller/buyer is a very good indicator of their trustworthiness (i.e. a seller with 39000 positive reviews wont be willing to ruin their name for 25 bucks, however, a seller with 1 past transaction usually is scamming) but ebay (if you use paypal) pays you back for scams. Craigslist on the other hand is full of scammers. I’ve sold everything on craigslist from convertibles to legos to TVs, and my experience is that for every honest response you receive, you will receive 20 scam mails. Its just how it goes. If you ask for CASH only, and meet in person it works well. Trades are always bad, because 90% of the trades I’ve seen are for something broken or with hidden flaws. I LOVE craigslist, it is my most important economic transaction site on the internet, but I have been burned (slightly) in the past, but have learned how to use it, and it is an amazing tool.
December 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
#3 is a scam. Plain and simple.
December 9th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
I live near a fairly poor area, and I see these sorts of scams all the time. Rich old ladies hire people with sob stories, and their stuff gets stolen, or at best, they get a crappy repair job. My neighbor hired some dude to do him a favor. They had one of the nicer houses on the block. After he helped them with “landscaping” and “home repair” they had a really crappy staircase and one half-dead bush in their yard. Now their house looks awful and it would cost thousands of dollars re-do the job properly.
It’s just not worth it to risk inviting someone into your home to work on your property. And the sob story which is lacking in any offered skills in seriously sketchy. Point them to a charity and sell your item to a fair buyer.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Great article. I’ve sold a $1000 computer through eBay and the buyer said he never got it even though UPS delivered it. I told him to look around the perimeter of his house and he found it outside of a side door. It had been sitting there for a week! Sometimes it’s scary to send people big items but that’s what insurance is for. I have had no problems buying from a seller who has a 99% or higher rating.
As for Craigslist, I have had good experiences with selling and buying. You have to be good at weeding out the good buyers. Also, beware of a deal that’s too good to be true. Stolen stuff is sold on ebay and Craigslist. If the item is missing main original accessories, that’s a red flag.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Craig’s List has typically been a reliable place for me to sell excess stuff but lately I received variations of the cash scam email. I don’t have time for buyers who are not serious or try to give me a line. I price my items so they are a great bargain and I already have an amount in mind that I’d barter down to. Isn’t that why we shop Craig’s List, for deals? I accept cash only and will turn a buyer away rather than accept a check or trade.