This article is by staff writer Adam Baker. Baker recently listed the Top 10 Money Movies of the Decade.
For years now, Dave Ramsey has recommended ditching credit cards and paying with cash. (Specifically, Ramsey advocates the use of an envelope budgeting system.) In fact, this anti-credit card stance is one of the biggest problems critics have with his philosophy; they often point out that “responsible” credit card use would yield a higher credit score.
But it looks like Dave Ramsey has some new company in the Cash Only camp. According to a recent MSN Smart Spending article, money guru Suze Orman is the latest proponent of paying for purchases with cash:
On her Saturday night show on CNBC, she asked viewers to join her in a Back to Cash movement. “Let’s go back to the good old days,” she said. “Let’s go back to the times when you literally paid cash for everything. That’s right. Cash. Stop using your credit cards altogether.”
Here’s Suze’s brief call-out on video courtesy of CNBC:
Why the change of heart for Orman?
Orman’s new movement is apparently in response to the increase of aggressive tactics by the credit-card industry.
As the deadline for the new credit-card legislation draws closer, credit-card companies are looking for ways to make up for the projected loss in revenue. This includes steps like drastically increasing the interest rate on even cardholders who’ve always paid on time, and continuing to close accounts of select consumers with low balances or periods of inactivity.
For example, my mother has had several cards close her account after only a couple months of inactivity, despite the fact she’s been a long-time member customer. Recently, I’ve also fielded calls from two close friends who’ve had rate increases without any default. (In one of these cases, my friend called for a decrease and they actually responded with an increase!)
Apparently, the changes have hit close to Orman, as well. I didn’t catch her announcement over the weekend, but the same MSN Smart Spending article points out that she used her own show director’s wife as an example. Citibank had recently sent her a letter raising her rate to 29.9%, despite the fact she’d never missed a payment.
Why we chose to live without credit cards
It’s been almost two years since Courtney and I made the decision to ditch our credit cards for purchases. Last December, we finally paid off and canceled the last one.
In order to make the decision, we employed the Ben Franklin method: We simply created a list of the advantages and disadvantages.
Our list of advantages for cash over credit:
- Increased attachment to spending
- Tangible budgeting
- Simplified financial accounts
- Avoid unexpected fees and changes of services
- Lower risk of identity theft
- Harder to slip back into cycle of debt
Our list of disadvantages for cash over credit:
- Less convenient than swiping
- More work to track
- More risk for physical loss
- Harder to build credit history
- Forgo reward programs
- Select employers & insurance providers use credit scores
There may be a couple that we left off, but these were the ones that we considered for our choice. Honestly, at the time, the avoid unexpected fees and changes of services didn’t carry much weight for us. Now, though, the volatility of the credit-card companies has turned it into a great side benefit.
In the end, we selected the increased consciousness in our budgeting and spending, combined with a simpler financial structure. It beat out the convenience and rewards associated with credit card use by a little bit.
The point isn’t to rehash the credit card vs. cash debate. We’ve been there, done that. Each person’s situation is different, and there are responsible users on both sides. Or as J.D. would say, do what works for you.
However, I’m interested to hear if, like Orman, recent events have changed your perspective. Have the recent strategies of the credit-card companies changed your feelings toward using credit or cash for your purchases?
This article is about Choices, Credit Cards, Gurus, News Friday, 11th December 2009 (by Adam Baker)


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December 11th, 2009 at 5:13 am
I like the idea of using cash only, but the truth is- if I have cash, I spend it. So I use my debit card most of the time. This is my “envelope system”: http://ultimatemoneyblog.com/using-my-envelope-system-to-budget-money
That’s what works for me!
December 11th, 2009 at 5:13 am
I am debating going only cash as well. I’ve never paid late but all my card companies also sent notices changing the interest rates and grace periods. I shut them all down and I have just one card left (my oldest and highest limit) but even citi has sent a notice as well. They doubled my interest rate just a year ago and now they are adding another 5%, this effectively triples my original rate. Now I’m contemplating skipping credit altogether especially since I’m not really that good at keeping a zero balance. At this point I’m not all that worried about lowering my FICO.
December 11th, 2009 at 5:17 am
Nope. Until it affects me personally I will continue to pay for everything with plastic and pay it off in full. If they institute an annual fee or something like that…then I’ll have to change the way I do my thing.
December 11th, 2009 at 5:20 am
My bank cooperates with my insurance company so because I am a customer with both I get certain benefits, such as free internet banking and no annual fee for my VISA-card.
I just recently got a message that the terms will change but my benefits are good until the end of 2010 so I’m staying put until then.
December 11th, 2009 at 5:21 am
Using cash reins in your spending. You only get to buy what you can afford NOW. Of course there are draw backs, credit history, security, getting your cash back in failed transactions etc. For one that wants to get back in the driver’s seat of your finances, cash only is the way to go, at least till you get your finances back in shape
December 11th, 2009 at 6:10 am
I’ve stopped using one card and started using the other due to their practices. I’d been trying to pay it off, so I said screw Citibank and did a balance transfer on it. Now I’m just trying to pay off two cards and use one for when we need credit–hotels, cars, etc. but then we’ve saved for everything before hand and I pay it off when we get back.
My check is electronically deposited, so I pay bills off that and put cash from his check into the the ATM each week. Otherwise, we use cash to save for stuff, our spending and our food.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:12 am
I just got a rate increase in the mail from my preferred card from 10% to 30% despite the fact that I’ve never been late on any card, and have used this as my primary card for 15 years. My credit score is over 800.
I haven’t cared before because I pay the bill off every month. But now I’m really pissed off. It feels like my bank is thanking me for my business with a slap in the face.
I’m seriously considering doing more with cash. I’m not ready to go all-cash yet. I like the.purchase record, especially for.work expenses.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:15 am
We have recently moved to a cash only envelope system. Our savings didn’t seem to be growing so we knew we needed a new approach. Now we can only spend until the envelope runs out not until the account is empty. Amazingly, now there always seems to be something left to transfer to savings at the end of the month.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:15 am
My rates have gone up, but I can’t tell you how much. My card gets paid off every two weeks on payday, so I never incur interest. If they started charging interest on the day I made the purchase, I’d have to rethink that. But since I don’t carry a balance long enough for them to make money off of me - and I make tons of rewards on my Amazon Visa - I’m going to stay where I am for right now.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:21 am
I think the real benefit of using cash is only buying this you actually have the money for. That said, I think using a debit card is a good way to retain the convenience of a credit card with the good sense to not borrow against your future.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Since I use my credit cards as a glorified debit cards by paying the balance every month, I don’t care much about the disadvantages. I never got into the trap of using them as permanent revolving loans. I have no idea what my interest rates are. As long as I am not charged a fee for using the cards, I will continue to use them.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:28 am
I don’t even know what the interest rate is on my credit card because I pay it off every month. It’s just a good way for me to track my spending.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:37 am
We haven’t been hit yet with changes to our cards. We pay off in full every month. Until they do, and as long as they still offer this, we’ll get a percentage back for the girl’s education thru our Upromis card. If we have a fee to pay for it…back to the credit union card we’ve had, fee free, for 21 years.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:43 am
I’m a Suze Orman follower. She has been a proponent of responsible credit card use. Her recent book (I got an audio version), the 2009 Action Plan, I believe she mentioned using cash and avoid using credit cards, especially if you don’t have the cash to pay it off when it becomes due.
My wife and I have several credit cards but only use one on a regular basis. The “inactive” ones recently got rate increases and/or limit decreases.
We were kind of miffed by this (the credit card companies are cruel, cruel beasts) but on the other hand, while the limit decrease might have an effect on our credit scores, we don’t plan on applying for new loans in the foreseeable future so, really, we’re not too concerned.
We do not carry a balance but we do use them for the convenience of not carrying cash all the time. The cash stays in the bank, we pay everything with the card, the balance gets paid off in full when it’s due.
We keep track of our credit card usage with an excel spreadsheet and move money from our cash column to the expense columns so we know how much liquid cash we have and ensure that the credit cards are “funded”, kind of a check register.
The benefit of keeping our cards are the cash back rewards. If they take that away, we’ll just switch to using our debit cards.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Because we always pay in full every month, we also use our credit cards like glorified debit cards. I agree with others before, in saying that if the card issuers start charging fees, I’m gone.
I’ve had one card (my only card until about a year ago) since 1988. Never had a fee on it. I can imagine them changing it, given the current pirate-like climate in the credit card industry. Thankfully, I can leave at will.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Nope, I still like my cards.
Interest rates don’t matter when you don’t carry a balance!
December 11th, 2009 at 6:49 am
We have actually been putting MORE on our credit card lately, and reducing the amount we take out in cash. We earn more reward points, our expenses are centralized on a single credit card, and we pay the balance in full each month. We know how much we can spend and stick to it.
I also like the convenience of credit cards for online payments. How do you book a hotel room or rent a car without a credit card?
December 11th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Several years ago, my card issuer decided to switch me from Visa to MasterCard without asking, so I switched to my credit union–so far, they’ve been fine. I think the interest is 13.9% but I’ve never paid any. I’ve started using cash for groceries just to control spending in that area, and since I do a lot of cash transactions there anyway since I shop at the farmers’ market. That way there’s no record-keeping involved–I just have a separate wallet for the grocery money. I take it out two weeks at a time because I really don’t like carrying large amounts of cash.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:56 am
While it’s true that most people spend more with credit cards, there are also generational and individual psychological factors at play to consider.
Personally, I find carrying currency annoying and will either spend it or leave it at home. I even used to throw away pennies.
With that said, I spend FAR less money using a debit or credit card than with cash.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:57 am
I’ve recently taken advantage of an 18-month interest free card to buy a new laptop; I would not have been able to purchase it otherwise (I refuse to pay interest on anything). It’s costing me less than $100/month, same as cash, and knowing me I will pay it off early.
I also have a 12-month interest free card that I used to transfer a small credit card balance that I wanted to stretch out when money got tighter after an illness.
So for someone like me, the interest-free deals that seem to be everywhere right now have been helpful. I am a fan of the same-as-cash credit card because I don’t abuse it and because I don’t have the money to spend up front.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Like others Ijimmy, eric, christy) have said, I pay the balance in full every month and have no idea what my interest rates are. So what is the big deal about raising the interest rates for people like me?? As I see it, this has NO consequences for me and I couldn’t care less.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:59 am
For me, credit cards are still the best option for booking travel online and shopping online. Since I don’t charge anything I don’t already have the money for, I don’t consider this to be much of a problem.
I’m in Canada, and I haven’t yet noticed the problems described in the States. Is anyone outside the U.S. banking system having these problems with credit card companies?
December 11th, 2009 at 7:03 am
I should add—that probably means I’m living beyond my means, if I’m buying things I don’t have the money to front. But sometimes major life changes require a bit of financial finagling. After a marital separation I was left without a computer, and during an illness I lost about $10,000 of income. The interest free credit card let me afford a computer (which I use daily, and consider money well-spent) and the other interest-free card let me deal with the (hopefully) one-time income loss with much less anxiety by spreading out my payments with no extra cost.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:08 am
How do you pay for air travel, hotels, rental cars, etc. without using credit cards?
December 11th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Nope, I haven’t been affected at all. They can even raise my interest rates and it won’t affect me since I pay all my bills in full each month. And unlike others, the credit available to me keeps rising, without me even asking for it.
The benefits are too huge to pass up. Every month I cash in my Air Miles for gift certificates for clothes and other treats - all courtesy fo the credit card company. I put everything on my credit card, so at the end of the month I can see where each and every penny has gone in one easy statement. No worries about carrying cash, getting to the bank, losing my money, etc.
Pay your bills, on time, and don’t spend beyond your means, and credit cards will work for you.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:15 am
I don’t understand people who say that they spend more money using cash than using a credit and/or debit card. How can you use more cash than you take out? If you are truly disciplined about your spending (and you only take the amt of cash out that you have budgeted) how could you spend more with cash than with a credit card which gives you access to much more ‘money’ during every transaction.
Either you are disciplined enough to not spend what you haven’t take out or you are not (with either cash or credit). Using a credit card with what I think I can reasonably assume is a much higher credit limit than what most people would budget for weekly or monthly spending would not reduce your costs if you cannot control yourself.
So, please explain how you could spend more cash. If you take out $200 for the week, or budget $200 to be spent from your debit or credit card. Which one is truly more likely not to work?
December 11th, 2009 at 7:15 am
I have seen rates go up, but I never purchase anything on credit unless I HAVE the money in the bank and I have never carried a balance on my card. I am contemplating switching to using debit for more purchases, I don’t like cash because it always disappears for me. I use mint.com and know that all my purchases will be tracked if I use a card. I suppose if I had credit card debt and was trying to pay that off and they increased the interest rate I’d be pissed though and I’d cancel them all as soon as I could, but I’m never tempted to buy things I can’t pay for because I hate interest more than I hate passing up buying something or saving up for it.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:16 am
I use the credit card companies for airline miles. Last month, Citi raised my interest rate to 21 percent, and like many others, we’ve always paid on time and paid the balance in full. I laughed at how ridiculously high it was and felt bad for anyone carrying a balance, but I had no plans to cancel my card. We don’t pay any interest on it.
Funny thing is that I had to call Citi with an unrelated question, and the rep offered to lower our interest rate. I didn’t even ask about it. Weird, huh?
If someone does not consistently pay the balance in full every month, I think cash-only is a good solution.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:18 am
Same here. I have not changed my views toward credit cards. I still use them for every single purchase I make, including paying utilities. I pay my bill in full every month, so I can reap the benefits of the rewards programs. In order to be able to pay the bill in full every month, I have to know that I have the cash available for every purchase, and my wife and I are pretty frugal, so credit cards still work fine for us. Honestly, I don’t really care what they might raise my rate to, because I will never pay any interest…
December 11th, 2009 at 7:19 am
been trying to use various methods for about 2yrs now and nothing’s sticking. i love the idea of the budget method,.. but the overhead required to keep the money separate and track it is just too much. the envelope system needs to go electronic, and i was going to try and write an iphone widget to do it (and probably fail). then i found these guys who have implemented it for android. check them out http://www.eebacanhelp.com/login.php. it’s still only in beta. but it looks perfectly minimal - just the functionality you need and nothing more.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:23 am
I understand what a lot of people are saying about how the rate increases don’t affect them because they pay off their balances regularly. But for a lot of people, including me, the way that credit cards are raising interest rates and canceling cards on “good” customers is insulting. The companies are making money every time you use your card by charging a percentage to merchants for the “privilege” of taking credit cards. And on top of that, they are fleecing their customers with interest rates.
I see it as: if they aren’t going to play nice, I’m going to pack up my stuff and go home.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:24 am
I almost exclusively use my debit card, only using a CC when I do things online, but I haven’t experienced anything in regards to my rate. Actually, I called a month or two ago and got my rate reduced from 12.99% to 8.99%. Like most on here, the rate doesn’t matter much to me, as I pay them off each month, but I still like the satisfaction of having them reduce the rate. Has anyone else not experienced this backlash from the CC companies?
I do transactions online too often to cancel my CC’s. Plus much easier to refuse to pay for a charge and let the CC company deal with a vendor then the money already being debited out of my account and try to get it back. If CC’s are that much of a temptation for you that you will buy before you have the cash to pay, I guess this would be the best system to use.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:26 am
We’re not changing our habits. DH and I each have a mileage rewards card and we have one joint credit account. None of our interest rates have been raised - not that it matters because we haven’t carried a balance in about eight years.
We do pay a small annual fee for one of the mileage cards, but it is worth it not to have to purchase plane tickets for our vacation travel.
If the joint account started charging an annual fee, we would dump it.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Pretty much the same here. Have Credit cards, pay full every month = zero interest.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Sashie - Not all of us look at credit cards based on the credit limits. I don’t honestly know what my credit limits are exactly because I don’t look at it as money I can spend. The only money I can spend is what I have in my bank account. So, I only put things on the credit card that I know I could pay cash for right then but for various reasons I don’t want to or can’t (internet purchase, travel reservations etc.). So, people that look at credit cards this way won’t necessarily spend more by putting it on a credit card because it is just a method of payment…not an excuse to spend more money.
I don’t think I spend more with cash. However, it is harder for me to keep track of what I have spent when I use cash so it does seem like a leak in my budget sometimes.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:31 am
If you pay your card off every month, then the rate is irrelevant. My card’s rate is 19.9%, and it has been that way ever since I got it. My credit score is over 800. That’s just the way it is in Canada for no-annual-fee cards. I couldn’t care less what the rate is, because I pay it off every month.
Now, if they started charging me an annual fee, that’d be a different story, and I’d cancel the card and look for another no-annual-fee alternative.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:32 am
We have a credit card that we use to book travel or if we are looking for extra protection on a purchase. We probably use our CC about 4 times a year and we have already saved up the cash for the travel or purchase. Also, the CC is not carried by either of us (its in a drawer at my office).
We tried the cash route when we originally started Ramsey’s TMM but we found cash too hard to keep track off, and it was exhausting for me to enter all that data in Quicken. So 90% of the time we use debit for our spending (cash comes right out of our checking), I can download the data, we are limited in our spending since we operate on a strict allowance system once the cash in our checking is gone we can spend no more. We get protection for our purchases since our debit cards are visa. We do also use cash, like if we go out on Friday night or if we go to a festival or something like that, we will withdraw a certain amount of cash and when its gone we stop spending.
This system seems to work well for us. We have a CC available for travel bookings, we use debit restricted by our allowance system, we can’t run up debt, we have better data management system.
I was one that used my CC for everything and paid it off in full each month, I spent, on average, twice as much each month using credit vs. debit. I just didn’t think about how much I was spending since it was future money and I knew I had plenty of it. With debit, I think about each and every purchase because I know I have a certain amount of current money and when its gone I can’t spend more.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:34 am
I believe that Suze Orman is giving that advice because is the easiest thing consumers can follow.
I do not believe is because credit cards are that bad, is because consumers can not deal with credit cards, period. It seems that budgeting and then meeting deadlines to pay credit cards is a task that it has proven too difficult for some, that paying for cash is their only option.
I love Suze Orman, but I will still use my credit card just because I can travel for free…and I haven’t paid a penny of interest in the past two years.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:38 am
The recent, uber-scummy credit card changes have not changed the way we use cards. We have one credit card that we use for online transactions and gas purchases (5% cash back there), and we use debit cards for everything else. This works for us, and I’ve never paid a dime to a credit card company (in interest or fees).
December 11th, 2009 at 7:42 am
No way. I’m not able to track things spent with cash. Receipts get lost, and tracking it is far too boring for me to stick with it.
I use my debit card nearly exclusively. As I understand it, debit works differently in Canada, and I like our system here. I generally only use my CC for online shopping, booking hotels, or for places like convention Dealers Rooms or art/craft shows.
I think perhaps my mindset might be different if I was in the USA and faced the same type of CC funkiness that you guys are experiencing. But since it’s not, it’s way easier fir me to track spending with electronic means, as opposed to cash.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:47 am
We went to cash for some things a few years ago, but do a virtual envelope system for others that are spent less frequently and can tend to add up to a fair bit of money (clothing being the biggest), keeping the money in a high-interest savings account. For these, the credit cards are very handy, since it means I don’t have to transfer the funds 3 business days before I want to go shopping. I check the balance of the “envelope” before I go, pay by credit card, and then transfer the correct amount when I get home. Basically the credit card is the facilitator for my non-cash envelopes.
So yeah, not totally giving up my cards anytime soon, but if Visa slaps an annual fee on me I’m gone, even it it means not finding another no-fee card. I’ll find some other way to deal with it, like keeping these funds in my low-interest savings account that’s actually at the same back as my chequing account (eliminating the hold problem). Sure, I’ll lose a little money, but I suspect less than the annual fees that I would be paying on a card.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:48 am
So should companies not be allowed to change their rates/prices ever? Are they evil they do?
I don’t get it.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:51 am
for once suze orman actually said something intelligent! i ditched my credit cards in march of 08. it has been liberating to say the least. i am a debit card person. mainly because my bank is small and is a pain in the butt to get to for cash. but also for the credit card like convenience.
what the credit card companies chose to do or not do is no concern to me anymore, and if people don’t like what they are doing… ditch the cards. how else do you show a company that you don’t like their tactics?
added benefit to not having a card, at least for me, is the temptation to impulse buy is not available. either i have the cash or not.
cash is king once again!
December 11th, 2009 at 7:52 am
I felt pretty insulted when Citi sent me a notice a little while back to tell me the interest rate on my card went up to something like 24%. My credit score is above 800, I’ve had the card since college freshman year (over 20 years ago) and don’t carry a balance. On the other hand, I don’t carry a balance (yep, know I’m repeating myself) and the card gives me cash back on things like groceries. So, I’m keeping the card and smiling every time I get a reward check back. I use the card for groceries, mainly, and also ‘play’ things for me like craft stuff. I have budgets for both and keep accounts in ING for the groceries and play money. If Citi decides to charge an annual fee or stop the reward program, I’m going to cancel the card.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:54 am
I just wrote a post on this the other day. I understand Suze Orman’s new strategy, credit card companies are doing some really shady things right now their customers. Also, for people who are having trouble staying within their budgets, having a cash only budget makes it easier to control spending.
However, using credit cards responsibly does build credit. For instance, one of the reasons my husband and I use our credits cards lightly is that we are trying to repair our credit. We have paid off all of our revolving credit cards and use them every few months for small purchases. Then, we pay them back in full before they accrue finance charges.
Everyone needs to list their own pros and cons of using or canceling credit cards, but people need to know that closing credit cards accounts does affect their credit score!
December 11th, 2009 at 7:57 am
I’ve been living mostly off of my savings for the past year after losing the majority of my income when the economy crashed. I’ve always lived within my means without any debt, so I have(had) a large emergency fund.
So, I’ve pared my expenses down to the very minimum and am living on a very strict budget. However, I still like using my credit cards for the Rewards. I have a gas card, and I love getting $25 gift cards on occasion from that. It is a little bit of extra help that I appreciate.
I do get the point about cash though. I have always known I spend more with a credit card. It is just easier to do that, when you don’t have to find the money in your wallet. Even though I’ve always paid it off monthly, so never had any fees, I have spent more over the years than I would have without the cards.
Since I like the rewards and pay for everything with my card, now I try to check my budget before I got shopping and make sure I don’t spend more than the planned amount. It takes some extra discipline, but it is worth it to me to get the rewards later.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:06 am
I’ll chime in to say that for the past 2-1/2 years, I’ve been one of those credit card users that has no idea what his credit limit is or what his interest rate is. I really don’t. In my mind, neither matter. I use the credit card like I use a debit card. And yes, I know that plastic tends to make people spend more (whether that’s credit or debit), but I do my best to spend consciously.
That said, I have actually been contemplating a return to cash/debit-only. Right now the thing that holds me back is a knowledge that I’d pay 1% more for everything I purchased…
December 11th, 2009 at 8:10 am
I wish I could say I could get rid of my cards, but I really don’t think it would work for our family, at least for the time being. We use our cash back Discover to get gas (though they’ve recently slashed the rewards), but I really need to focus on using it ONLY for gas…not little extras. I should use my debit card for that. Shame on me! This is a card I should really focus on eliminating.
Then we have the ‘emergency’ card…which unfortunately got used for car repairs. We have the cash in savings to pay for the repairs, but that would completely empty the small savings I have and leave little to no safety net, which I am just not comfortable with, since we are self employed. Our family runs a small business, and we have a credit card for ordering parts and supplies, as well as some expenses we’ve incurred remodeling our shop. I’d really like to focus on knocking that balance down, but sometimes our clients don’t pay right away, and we don’t always have the cash flow to pay cash for parts. It would be great if our clients would pay for expenses up front, but that isn’t how our business is run.
Someday I hope to outrun that credit card Cheetah!
December 11th, 2009 at 8:19 am
@sashie
“If you take out $200 for the week, or budget $200 to be spent from your debit or credit card. Which one is truly more likely not to work?”
I’m one of those people who tends to spend more if I use cash. The point you’re missing is that we tend not to ‘budget’ an amount to spend on cards. If I have $200 in my wallet, I’m likely to spend it just because it’s there. If I’m only carrying my credit card, I probably won’t spend anywhere near that much. For whatever reason, a card doesn’t tempt me to spend, but a wedge of cash does. Different strokes, and all that.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:34 am
My husband and I had Citibank cards which we canceled and changed to Capital One. It was ~1.5 years ago before all this fee + rate nonesense started. We switched because we both noticed that several times a year, we would get charged a fee or interest in error that would require a call to fix. It happened to both of us, on different accounts, at different times and always in the company’s favor. After using them for over 10 years, we both closed our accounts.
We’ve been happy with the switch to Capital One. No rate increases yet, and no interest/fee errors and 1% back. I like using credit and charge everything. It’s an easy way to itemize your expenses. Just download your statement into a spreadsheet every month and you don’t have to keep tabs of where every $1 went. I’ve been doing this since 2000 and have excellent visibility to where my money goes.
I also hate the idea of a debit card and having someone be able to drain my bank account if it gets in the wrong hands. I’ve never done it but I’m assuming getting money back is much more difficult than disputing a charge.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:35 am
I used to use a credit card, but no more. I paid the bill in full every month, but I realized I was splurging a lot more than I should. If I went grocery shopping and was paying for it with credit, I’d get some treats. If I went shopping at Target, I’d pick up DVDs or something for the house. If I went to a fast food place, I’d get a milkshake or something with my meal. It was never a whole lot of stuff, but it was stuff I didn’t really need. And, all of those treats sure added up by the time the bill arrived.
Since I’ve started paying for everything with cash, I’ve cut down on the stuff I buy, and it’s been GREAT! I only buy what I need, and I save up for a special treat. My house isn’t cluttered with stuff, and I’m living within my means.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Another big disadvantage that you didn’t mention–it’s difficult to buy things online without a credit card and using a debit card instead leaves you liable for identity theft.
I purchase many, many everyday things we need online, from my kids’ clothes, to furniture, to books and textbooks and mp3s. I can’t see giving that up.
If you pay your balance off every month, you won’t be affected if your CC raises your rates.
My main CC recently raised by interest rate–from 7.9% to 10.9%–despite the fact that I’ve had it for years and never missed a payment. But 10.9% is still a darn good rate! It’s a rewards card and also has a very high ($16K) limit. Although I mostly just use it for everyday spending and I pay it off every month, it has been a lifesaver in times past when I needed emergency cash but couldn’t access my savings (for example, while traveling internationally, and once when my ex-husband split and his lawyer locked down all our bank accounts.)
December 11th, 2009 at 8:45 am
“…they often point out that “responsible” credit card use would yield a higher credit score.”
And Dave Ramsey doesn’t care about credit scores. He points out that it is 100% about your relationship with borrowing money, and very little to do with how financially responsible you actually are.
Yes, the FICO score is used for a lot of other purposes - insurance policies, cell phone activations, hiring processes. The problem isn’t that you need to maintain your credit score, it’s that you need to be active in preventing these other abuses of a number that people have started to worship and care about more than is reasonable.
My wife and I have been living “cash only” (w/ Visa debit card usage where required) for the majority of our 5 years of marriage. We really don’t care what the credit card companies are doing because we don’t have one. I refuse to do business with credit card companies and big banks, and companies that refuse cash or debit cards.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Russ, you said
” If I have $200 in my wallet, I’m likely to spend it just because it’s there.”
But the whole point of going cash only is that when the cash is gone, you don’t turn to other forms of payment. You don’t use credit cards, you don’t take out mre cash. You rely fully on the cash you budgeted. Maybe $200 a week would be too much for you - maybe you would only need $50. Though - if you were using only $50 for food, transportation costs, entertainment and any other expenses that came up during the week - I would be highly surprised. Have you tried to put yourself on a cash only budget where you gave yourself an adequate but not generous amount to spend and still blew the money on non essentials as opposed to what you needed to buy? Because if you did - I am wondering how somehow your choices are that much different when using a credit card that would have a much higher amount of credit available during each transaction.
I am not saying that a cash only budget is the only way to go - though I have personally found it to be liberating and I ‘waste’ so much less money. The only thing I was trying to say is that I find it very hard to believe that most people really spend less with their credit or debit cards that they would on a cash only budget, if they truly followed it.
It still comes down, in my eyes, to either you have the financial discipline to not spend or you don’t. And a credit card isn’t going to help that financial discipline for most people - you have an even greater ability to spend that isn’t tied to you ability to pay. There is a reason that credit card companies love people to use cards. It has been shown over and over that people spend more using their cards than they would if using cash. Read the book “Maxed Out” or watch the movie with the same title. It was when credit card companies realized the different spending patterns of people using credit cards that they started really trying to get as many people as possible using them.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:00 am
I don’t think turning to cash will make life any better than using a credit card…and paying/carrying cash with you wherever you go is certainly NOT convenient. Can you imagine carrying $100 worth of coins on your wallet everywhere you go?
For some people, this “inconvenience” helps them take control of their money - which is a good thing.
But perhaps it is possible to take advantage of the convenience of a credit card AND still be in control of your finances by paying ALL your outstanding balance every month. In that case, you won’t have to worry about late fees or other finance charges. If you don’t have any outstanding balance to incur finance charges on, any rate increases really don’t matter.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:01 am
I don’t use credit cards anymore. I use my debit card instead of cash so I can track my spending with Mint, and I’m not tempted to spend more just because I’m not using cash.
Since I started aggressively tracking my spending, paying off debt, and budgeting, I’ve been noticing all the crap my bank pulls. $3 Fees on transferring money from savings to checking (with in the same bank!), $6 fees on transferring money to another bank’s savings account, double-dipping on ATM charges ($2 + $3). This makes it really necessary to know how your bank operates if you want to try to tackle debt.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:02 am
A lot of people here said they don’t care about the rate because they pay off their balace every month. I also pay mine off every month as I said above, but it still makes me angry that I was ”punished” for doing nothing wrong. Even though I feel no effects, I still feel like I’m not important to them.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:03 am
I use my Delta Platinum Amex as my primary card and have a Chase Visa for places that don’t take Amex. I get rewards from both, of course. I am remodeling my house and used my Chase points for Home Depot gift cards. An extra $100 I wouldn’t have otherwise and it cost me $0 to get.
I am raking in miles with my Delta card as I use it for personal travel as well as travel for work. For work I MUST have a credit card and all my vacation flights are free thanks to the miles I earn. I am actually gaining miles faster than I spend them and have a goal of 1 million miles banked at no cost to me.
As for spending I find that if I have cash in my wallet it gets spent. Once you break a $20 it is gone. I carry around $20 with me for the very rare cash only situation such as tolls or parking. Quicken online tracks all of spending (except cash) and I can tell anytime from my computer or iPhone if I am over budget anywhere.
Bottom line is I have enough self control to use credit wisely. The fraud protection is a huge bonus as well as the rewards. As JD says do what works for you!
December 11th, 2009 at 9:06 am
@Cal:
Someone may have mentioned this already but, mvelopes (www.mvelopes.com) is an electronic envelope system. They may have an iPhone app out too. There is a fee to use the service. I haven’t used it but a year ago I did some research on it and other systems and it’s one I would consider again when my wife and I are a little more settled in our ways. I think that when we have kids that are old enough to start getting an allowance and taking some responsibility for their money habits, I will seriously consider mvelopes (or something similar) as a way to show them how to budget and what not. The envelope system is a great teaching tool. But kids are a little ways off yet and allowance is beyond that so there’s still time.
Anyway, I think mvelopes would be worth checking into for you. I’d be interested in finding out what you think about it if you decide to try.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:06 am
I totally take what Suze Orman says with a grain of salt. I just dont trust what she says. I do me and let that guide me. Just so happens that Dave Ramsey’s philosophy sits with me better and fits my lifestyle better. And really that’s what it is all about….
December 11th, 2009 at 9:10 am
I wrote a post on this subject last week on Five Cent Nickel ( Is it Time for Cash to Make a Comeback? - http://ow.ly/KZO4 ) with a position similar to Dave Ramsey and Suze Orman, but most of the comments in response were in favor of credit card use.
The problem I think has to do with perception. In the past few years, with rewards programs and credit card bells and wistles, CCs have come to be viewed as a money management tool–which they were never intended to be. They’re intent was always to get us to spend more then we would by spending income we haven’t earned.
A lot of people defend CCs as money management tools because they payoff the balance within 30 days, and that’s great. But 70% of CC users carry balances, a healthy majority.
But even if you do payoff every month, what happens if you regularly charge 3-4000 every month (to get rewards points), then lose your job on very short notice? You probably will become one of the 70% carrying a balance. At that point you’re view of CCs may change. I have a suspicion that this is the way a lot of debt nightmares began, especially if the unemployment lasted more than a few months. In that situation, a credit card will not be your friend.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:12 am
We have tried to go cash only a few times but it didn’t work very well for us and didn’t help control our expenses.
We have gone to a partial cash system that is working well for us. We take out $150 cash each pay day that we use for all discretionary items like hair cuts, eating out, coffees, school supplies, etc. The cash must be used for these items. But items like groceries and gas can be paid with credit card.
We pay off our balance each month.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:12 am
@JD - Don’t underestimate the power of psychology at play here. If you even spend 2% less with cash than credit you would come out ahead (and I’m willing to bet the amount would be higher than that).
December 11th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Of course I take responsibility for my own debt, but the tiny spark that got me going on accumulating credit card debt was reading Suze Orman’s book for young adults (I forget the title). I was taught by my dad always to pay off my balance every month, which I did throughout college. But Suze said it was OK to have credit card debt if you were young and starting out your career. She gave some formula to figure out what the cap should be on one’s balance (some percentage of income or something) but of course I didn’t calculate it — it was a green light for credit card use. For me it’s either NO or YES to credit card debt, no in between.
It took me 2 years to pay off the $11,000 I had accumulated, and I avoid her now!!
December 11th, 2009 at 9:20 am
@sashie
“But the whole point of going cash only is that when the cash is gone, you don’t turn to other forms of payment.”
That’s fine in theory, but it doesn’t work when you’ve gone through your week’s budget by Tuesday. You *have* to get more cash, or starve.
“Have you tried to put yourself on a cash only budget where you gave yourself an adequate but not generous amount to spend and still blew the money on non essentials as opposed to what you needed to buy?”
Yes, pretty much. If I have cash in my wallet, I’m far more likely to stop at McDonalds or Starbucks on my way to work. I never use a card in those places, though. I’m more likely to stop off at the corner shop on my way home and pick up a six pack of beer. I’m more likely to feed the cash-only vending machine at work. These things add up. I know this is a simple willpower thing, but the fact remains that for me this is a problem only when I am carrying cash.
“Because if you did - I am wondering how somehow your choices are that much different when using a credit card that would have a much higher amount of credit available during each transaction”
It’s not about the big ticket items, it’s the small items over and over again. If I have cash, I’ll buy a bacon sandwich from a street vendor on the way to work. The street vendor doesn’t accept visa. I’ll buy a can of coke from the vending machine, a couple of times a day. The vending machine only takes coins. Suddenly, I’ve spent $10. Over the course of a month, that’s over $250 that I simply would not - could not - have spent if I wasn’t carrying cash.
“The only thing I was trying to say is that I find it very hard to believe that most people really spend less with their credit or debit cards that they would on a cash only budget, if they truly followed it.”
Yes, but I don’t follow it, that’s the problem. Using a card, I have excellent financial discipline - I save over 30% of my net salary, and categorise all my spending on yodlee. With cash, my self-control goes. All those little things that I either wouldn’t or couldn’t use a card for suddenly become routine.
“And a credit card isn’t going to help that financial discipline for most people”
I’m not questioning that at all - I’m simply not one of those people.
“There is a reason that credit card companies love people to use cards. It has been shown over and over that people spend more using their cards than they would if using cash”
Again, not questioning that. However, I *have* tried this, and it doesn’t work for me. That doesn’t invalidate it as a strategy for anyone else, but I know what works for me and what doesn’t.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:21 am
It puzzles me…why blame the CC for someone’s inability to use it as a money management tool and pay it off every month? Kind of like throwing out the baby with the bathwater, IMO. Why doesn’t she just say “only use a CC if you can pay it off every month?”
I enter my CC charges on my check balance register as as I make them—so everything I charge is “deducted” already from my checking account. Thus the money’s there when I need to write that check at the end of the month to pay the CC bill.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:22 am
I basically have two credit Amex and Visa (for companies that don’t take AMEX) and pay the balance in full every month. So if our rate has gone up, I really don’t know because I don’t pay interest. I do get nice cash-back bonuses from each though (particularly the AMEX through Costco which I highly recommend). I’d stop using them in a heartbeat if suddenly I was paying fees or immediate interest. Anyone using their cards for more than an interest-free 30-day loan SHOULD drop the cards if possible. But for really cheap people like me, it pays to use a credit card for something you’re were planning to buy anyway. Why turn down free money?
December 11th, 2009 at 9:25 am
This tired topic seems to come up on every financial forum/blog/whatever, and the same arguments are trotted out. I use one credit card, pay it off each month. I find it indispensable for personal and work travel and other large expenses - the rewards points, the ease of making hotel/plane/rental car arrangements, the warranty protection, the fact that the credit card float covers my travel until I get reimbursed (my employer is quick) instead of my cash.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:33 am
As others have said, the interest rate is irrelevant if you pay your balance in full every month (or more frequently, as I do). Our interest rates keep going up and I just laugh when I get the notices because I can’t believe that some people actually choose to pay those ridiculous rates.
My husband and I share one CC account and we put everything except our mortgage and my student loan payment on it in order to earn the most cash back. It makes things easier for us because all our spending is in one location, our bills are automatically charged (I know you can do this with your checking account, but then I have to worry about what day things are coming out since I carry very little cash in my checking - it all gets swept to savings quite often), and we pay it off every payday.
As others have said, if they start charging annual fees or if interest starts to accrue the moment of the purchase, then we’ll stop using them.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I’m also one of those people who spends more with cash than credit. How? If I have cash I spend it. If I don’t have cash, I only tend to make planned purchases. However, I feel unsafe if I don’t have any form of purchasing power in case I get into an emergency. So I carry the credit card around (otherwise I would have to carry cash). It’s a bit counter-intuitive, but somehow I don’t think of the credit card as money to be spent. Maybe it’s because I always used my allowance to buy candy as a kid.
Young, Fabulous, and Broke doesn’t seem to have the right kind of advice for the people it’s targeting. The more finance books I read, the more I’m amazed by the psychological brilliance in Dave Ramsey. You may not get an 830 credit score using his advice, but you won’t get one below 600 either. And, as he points out, the credit score is important (since it can affect insurance rates etc.), but not THAT important if you’re not buying cars on a regular basis. Orman’s focus on the FICO score could get a lot of people with control problems in trouble following her advice.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I’m always surprised that people talk about cash and credit like they’re the only two options.
I did the envelope system for a bit, now that I’m used to how much I’m allowed to spend in each category we went back to debit.
We’ve never had credit.
Debit has some advantages of cash (can’t spend more than you actually own, so no debt) and some of credit (everything is tracked down, just a swipe, no need to carry cash and be worried about it being stolen, can be used around the world…)
Companies such as Mastercard and Visa offer debit cards as well as credit cards, and the only advantage you don’t get is the credit history thing. That I’ve never had any problem with even though I’ve never had credit (or my husband either).
December 11th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Thanks for your great blog. While I generally agree to minimize credit card use, we recently signed up with American Express for the Rewards and have received round trip tickets for my husband and son for a holiday vacation, and I was able to take my son to see “Star Wars in Concert” here in Chicago (a $200 night I NEVER would have been able to afford.
My husband and I put most of our purchases on the American Express, and we pay it off every month. We have about $4000 in past credit card debt that we are paying $200 a month, and haven’t increased over the year.
I like the “back to basics” approach, but if you are smart and have a good solid approach, I think the Rewards programs are kinda cool!
Thanks!
Kim
December 11th, 2009 at 9:45 am
In Japan, balances on credit cards are paid every month. There is no minimum balance payment like other countries. That gives you the best of both worlds, you can lose the hassles of carrying cash but don’t get yourself into debt problems.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I’m curious what people who go cash only do if they travel for business. I have had months where I’ve incurred several thousands of dollars in flights, hotels, etc. that are reimbursable from my employer. I would not want to front all of that money out of pocket and would prefer to use my credit card grace period for a 0% loan I repay in full when due.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I have not changed my habits. I have never trusted large banks or credit card companies, and so I don’t carry a balance - got in trouble that way once - and I always check my bill very carefully for fees and tricks (like changing due dates).
However I will continue to use my credit card. I believe it is the safest way to make online purchases, and sometimes it is convenient to postpone paying for something until next month. It is also good to have in an emergency, since there is a time lag to get cash from my savings account.
I am one of those who can’t keep track of cash, so I don’t keep too much on me; instead I use my debit card for most transactions.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:51 am
It does require some discipline to carry cash around. But it gets easier. I take out $240 in cash on the first day of the month and that is my grocery money for the month. No ifs, ands or buts. If the money runs out before the end of the month, we eat peanut butter sandwiches and beans and rice. Knowing that the cash is finite is the key to the discipline.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Amen Sister!
December 11th, 2009 at 9:54 am
We live in a Consumer Wonderland. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. My personal view is that it is a kind of cool thing.
But there’s a problem. The people who make money by selling us stuff for years now been been becoming more and more sophisticated about how they go about tricking us into handing over our money. They are not bad people. They are like us, people with jobs they have to do. It just so happens that, when they do their jobs well, we end up busted. And today they have a huge edge. Things like computerized records of buying behavior work much more to their advantage than to ours.
This lack of balance is going to be our downfall if we don’t get about the business of doing some things to even the scales. The entire shebang is going to collapse. The economic system. The political system. All of it. This is real sad.
All that is really needed here is a restoration of balance. It’s fine that they try to sell us stuff. Sometimes we should buy stuff. Sometimes we should not. We need to become more sophisticated ourselves in figuring out which it is in all sorts of circumstances.
The Frugality Blog Movement is an extremely encouraging sign. I became frugal in the early 1990s and searched for everything available to help me and I can tell you that blogs like this just did not exist. So that’s progress.
My view is that we need to step it up a bit. We cannot afford to become self-satisfied with the progress we have made over the past 10 years, even though it is considerable. The other side works hard. We need to work hard too. We need to get as tough about the idea of holding onto our money as the other side is about figuring out ways to persuade us to turn it over.
A call to action!
Rob
December 11th, 2009 at 10:01 am
I find this an interesting turn of events from Suze. Her use credit responsibly attitude was quite fascinating as a Canadian. it was interesting to red her 2009 Action Plan book also, since she is a big supporter of doing everything you can to increase your FICO score to give yourself the best available options on everything. I think her switch has come from not just the close to home lowball hitting that the companies in the US are currently using to make back the money on defaulted accounts from those who have been using credit responsibly. I find this a dispicable (sp.?) move. So far similar things have been reported in Canada, but not to the extent of the US.
I’m happy that she is “challenging” people to go to a “use cash” approach over the credit thing. I think the biggest thing with this is it will help those who need it, physically see the damage their current financial lifestyle is having.
I still can’t believe the punishing from the credit companies on those who have been responsible with their loans.
I currently subscribe to the jar system - a la Gail Vaz Oxlade. I really like this system, because I take the money out once per month, divide it up using my spending plan and then track the money in a neat little book I carry with me everywhere. I like this because I want to be debt free, financially abundant, and get to a point where I am secure with my financial habits to not need to worry about it anymore. Having the book with me allows me to see exactly what I have in each category, and lets me se how I can be saving even more of that money for more-important-than-a-coffee-every-morning things.
So far it has been working beautifully and I’ve even gotten to the end of months having nearly $100 left from my variable spending allotment. A nice little snowball to my debt!
The best part has been that I can feel secure now not having my credit card on my person any longer, and since I’ve basically gone off the grid so to speak, there are less and less ways for someone to punk my identity!
December 11th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Going all cash seems a little painful to me. At the same time, dealing with credit card company shenanigans is a pain. I limit my exposure to all types of pain by carrying just one credit card - which gives me points - and paying it off every month. I get the fraud protection, the leverage against shady merchants, and the financial flexibility that comes with the credit card over cash. Also, I can handle large purchases - without carrying large sums of cash around.
December 11th, 2009 at 10:02 am
In general I like my credit card. I don’t carry a balance, I can track my transactions, and I get cash back rewards. The one place I would consider doing a cash envelope system is for groceries. We seem to have gone off track in spending in groceries/beer/eating out categories. After the new year I’m going to try to talk my husband into idea of using a cash envelope method for these categories simply to get better handle in these areas.
December 11th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Quite a few people have mentioned that shopping online without a credit card is very difficult.
Have they looked at PayPal? It can be linked to a bank account and no CC needed. A lot of online vendors accept PayPal and it’s easy to use.
I know some people have has issues with payment disputes, but I’ve been using the service for over 5 years with without issue.
December 11th, 2009 at 10:09 am
The only change I’ve seen is a slight decrease in rewards from my Chase Freedom card. I’ve looked around for a replacement, but haven’t found a better option.
I could care less if they raise fees or interest rates - I pay in full on time every month. So I’ll stick with my credit card and not risk losing $500 cash when I go Christmas shopping.
@Baker - how can you say cash is more work to track, but at the same time say cash helps you simplify financially?
December 11th, 2009 at 10:26 am
@ Kevin M - Because simplicity doesn’t mean taking the path of least resistance for me. There are other factors at play.
Courtney and I have no credit cards or consumer debts (revolving or non-student loan installment), so we get the benefit of freezing our credit reports.
Less open accounts, easier to check credit report for other errors, less chance for bank error, less chance of identity theft, less worry about how changes to the industry effect my fees, rates, or ‘rewards’, less association with an industry I’d prefer not to be a customer of.
The convenience of swiping I still can get with our 1 debit card (and we do still use it when needed).
Of course, there are benefits to the other side as I outlined above. But when it comes to overall financially simplicity, I’ll take jotting down a cash transaction in a notebook (which in its own way is refreshing and simple) over juggling the extra accounts and baggage.
@ Many People
I also wanted to point out that Suze probably doesn’t carry a balance on any of her cards, yet this is still affecting her. I’d like to assume we wouldn’t carry any balances on our credit cards if we used them while overseas here. But these changes may still make me sway towards ditching them.
@ Car Rental questions
Courtney and I just rented a car a couple weeks ago with cash. We put down an $87.00 deposit and pay the rest in full when we pick it up. We already have insurance on the car that covers damages. The only hurdle was paying a deposit in cash and in person. Wasn’t a big deal for us in this situation.
Great discussion!
December 11th, 2009 at 10:37 am
No. I have never had a credit card. I always use debit cards, which are so convenient and actually eliminates the need to carry tons of cash with me.
I never had a need for a credit card. I think if managed wisely they can be a benefit, however, most people are not disciplined enough.
As a side note, whenever I hear people advocating blindly one thing over the other, I become alert. Nothing in life is this or that. People just have to learn how to manage what they have and use them as tools.
Cash is necessary, but credit cards can be appropriate. I would stay away from jumping to radical decision and jumping the bandwagon of cash. Think for yourself and do what works for you.
For all I know, Orman can have her own reasons for advocating this or that. Be skeptical and be alert.
Best,
Tomas
December 11th, 2009 at 10:37 am
@Baker, et al.
If you don’t want to use cc’s, can you use debit cards to rent hotels, cars, etc? If so, then I would think a cc is never necessary for those who choose that path.
December 11th, 2009 at 10:38 am
I think I owe cash only at least a try.
I have always purchased everything on CC. Never had a problem paying in full each month, so it’s never been a problem for me.
December 11th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I have 1 credit card with a 10 thousand dollar limit for emergencies. Now I still have an emergency fund of 10 thousand dollars sitting in ING but lets look at this scenario.
Your furnace breaks at 6 PM on Friday evening in December. Luckily you can get a new one installed Saturday morning for 5 thousand dollars. You don’t keep that much in your regular checking account, and the emergency fund money is in ING and won’t hit your checking account till at least Tuesday. What do you do?
How did I come up with this scenario? It happened to me. I took the advice of a lot of financial writers and put the emergency money someplace liquid, but not at my primary bank. Now I could write a hot check and hope that they don’t get around to cashing it till Tuesday or I can pull out the credit card, pay for the transaction, transfer the money, and pay the credit card off on Wednesday. What did I lose? A small blip on my credit report that says I used 50 percent of my available credit, not a big deal.
Like every other financial product offered by banks/cc companies/credit unions credit cards are a tool. If used wisely and appropriately they can serve a purpose in your financial well being.
December 11th, 2009 at 10:56 am
This doesn’t change for me, because we don’t use credit cards, and haven’t for almost 4 years now.
We do, however, use debit cards. For those who are saying you can’t shop online with cash, you can certainly do so with a debit card - I do it all the time.
If we have a large purchase coming up (new tires for the car, for instance), we move the cash from our emergency fund (or one of our dedicated savings accounts) to our checking account and purchase it with a debit card. This modernized cash-only system is absolutely how we’ve been living (comfortably) within our limited means: if we don’t have the money, we can’t buy the thing. Period.
I will note that we had to build up our emergency fund before we could completely cut off the credit cards. Using cash-only forces saving. Which is good!
December 11th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Wow, that’s a lot of comments! For those who ask how do you book a flight etc without a credit card … well, most banks’ checking debit cards are branded to Visa or MC. I can certainly use *my* debit card to book a flight or do anything else I care to online.
You just have to make sure your daily purchase limit is high enough to cover it, and I believe you mostly do that by meeting minimum-balance requirements in your checking/savings accounts at your bank (possibly also by having direct deposit). Worth looking into if you are trying to get rid of revolving accounts in your life. It’s nice because I can save up for a flight (for example), then transfer the funds from savings to checking right before making the purchase.
Using a branded debit card and online banking also means you can check your account in about a minute, update your register, and generally make sure you are on track with spending.
I have two store cards which I barely use, the rates have always been ridiculous but when I do use them, I pay them off immediately, so whatever. I have a Capital One card and that account has not been futzed with by the issuer; it’s the one I use. I have a Bank of America card that I froze after they “offered” to double my APR. Once it is paid off it will be closed, with prejudice.
And then I’m gonna get me one of those Amazon rewards cards, ’cause that’s where I do probably 90% of my shopping.
December 11th, 2009 at 11:08 am
@Baker - I guess the difference is I just see “cash” as another financial account (I set it up in Quicken as such). I always seem to be entering transactions to “Misc” when we’re short of cash though, which doesn’t help me track very accurately. To each his own…
December 11th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Bottom line: Ethics, Dignity, Respect
No matter what the advantages or disadvantages of cash versus credit cards, or vice versa, these companies do not deserve our business.
I refuse to support them….even if it means I have to do a little extra juggling, or wait a little longer for what I need/want. A lower credit score does not bother me anymore either. As far I am concerned, I am done with credit. I never want to owe anyone anything again. Freedom is a wonderful thing.
Quite honestly, my debit card suits me fine. I even earn reward points and cash back with it. I can make hotel, flight and car reservations with it. I can shop on line. It can do just about everything a credit card can do. There are cash limitations, but even these can be overcome. Example: My daughter just bought a new Apple Laptop Computer (I Mac?). She does not have a credit card. Since there is a limit to how much you can withdraw on your debit card, she called the bank, explained what she was doing….problem solved. She felt good about having saved up and paying cash for it too.
December 11th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I am another one of those people who will spend more with cash than my card. It also *never* occurred to me that I could spend more than I could pay off until I started reading Personal Finance blogs. I guess I should thank my parents for always treating it as something that was paid off every month.
My credit card isn’t going anywhere until they start charging me a fee for it. I gain a lot of protections that cash doesn’t give me including the ability to stop payment.
For the person asking how its possible to spend more than you budget. It’s not, you are correct. I have the money I have where the difference comes in for me is if I have budgeted $200 for food for the month I will buy food and if I have money in my wallet toward the end of the month I’m saying yes to Starbucks or an extra 6 pack because the money is already out of my bank account. While it is of course not free money it feels like free money to me since I’ve already budgeted for it and removed it.
With my credit card, if I don’t have extra cash in hand I won’t buy those extra little things because I have to go put it on my spreadsheet and see that the extra grocery money went to a Starbucks run. Without that extra tracking accountability to myself, where I see where every dollar goes, money that could have and would have gone to savings with my credit card disappears to the “Ohh shiney!” part of me.
I’m willing to bet this is NOT true for the majority of people but for me personally I am *much* worse with cash than I am with plastic.
December 11th, 2009 at 11:19 am
“Quite a few people have mentioned that shopping online without a credit card is very difficult.”
Quite a few people have no idea what they’re talking about.
I keep seeing this topic over and over and over again. I, like Baker, don’t use credit cards. People keep mentioning how hard it must be to do things (like online shopping) that I do *all the time with no problems at all*. People act as if credit cards are some modern day necessity, and that living without them is the equivalent of going without electricity. It’s not. You would never even notice that I don’t use credit cards if I didn’t specifically mention it. In fact, you’d probably assume that I *do* use credit cards if you spent a few days with me, because I pay for most things with a debit card, and it looks superficially like a credit card. Living without a dishwasher makes more of a day-to-day difference in your life than living without a credit card.
It amazes me how resistant people are to others’ decisions to live differently from themselves in even the slightest details. It reminds me of a question my father-in-law recently asked my wife: “But if you don’t shop at Target, where do you buy things?” Seriously, Target isn’t the only store in the world, and we’re not some strange deviant hippies for not going there, nor are we for not having credit cards. But then people seem to think we’re irreconcilably strange for other mundane reasons too, like our house is small, and my wife doesn’t work, and because my commute is too long, and because of a whole slew of other things that people have told me “well, that may be fine for you, but *I could never live that way*” about, even though they’re hardly giant sacrifices or major lifestyle differences.
December 11th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Am I the only one here who worries about THEFT or other losses? I freak at the idea of carrying a lot of cash.
Sashie, Russ - I too spend more with cash than credit. Partly it’s due to cash not having the built-in recordkeeping that credit cards have.
December 11th, 2009 at 11:38 am
My checking account’s balance is always credit card balance + 2000. If my checking account has anything less than that in it then I don’t spend. My checking account will never have more than credit card balance + 3000 because all amounts above that are transferred into investment accounts or money markets with Vanguard.
My credit card is then paid off every month two days before its due date.
So far I am liking the rewards. My bank didn’t try raising my interest rate either. My interest rate has stayed flat for the 10 years that I’ve had my card. Occasionally they try to increase my limit but 2 years ago I told them to lower it and stop raising my limits without my permission. It hasn’t happened since.
If my card company tries to charge me an annual fee or interest on things I purchase before the due date, then I will close my credit card account immediately.
I don’t believe they will be that dumb, because I would also close my checking account with them if that were the case.
P.S. I was taught to use money on cards so I also have a hard time not spending cash in my wallet. I’m even worse at keeping track of how much I spent if money is in my wallet.
December 11th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Funny enough, not even three weeks ago we got a letter from my husband’s card company…. Raising his credit limit. I figured they were going to cut it, but nope. It went up.
Coincidentally, we used it to make several online purchases for our 240SX build. After worrying about being able to pay it all off at once or not, we should be able to without a huge issue.
Only thing that’s happened to me, personally, is Chase changing the rewards terms on my card. That miffed me, but not enough for me to stop using the card. Some rewards are better than no rewards, and it helps me keep track of my gas usage. (Pretty much all I’ve ever used a credit cards for.)
Not knocking people who use cash only, I just know what works for me and that’s using cash very rarely. I have started to use it to control my lunches out spending, mostly because I like having the change to throw into a jar and save. Cash tends to slip through my fingers because it’s not part of the balance anymore… It’s just about already spent in my eyes.
December 11th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I’m another one of those people who has cash in the wallet and then suddenly goes “um, where did all that money go?” When traveling, I keep meticulous track of my spending to counteract this, but I have a hard time maintaining that for more than a few months when I return home.
I don’t like what the CC companies are doing, but I keep my CC for a few reasons:
1) I always pay on time, and I don’t charge unless I have the money for it. I hate seeing the high bill at the end of the month, so I’m usually pretty careful.
2) I travel quite a bit, and it’s really convenient to have a credit card when doing so.
December 11th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
@Tyler Karaszewski(94)–”People act as if credit cards are some modern day necessity, and that living without them is the equivalent of going without electricity.”
And credit cards haven’t been around nearly as long as electricity! Isn’t it interesting how the public mindset shifts so thoroughly that a medium of exchange as ancient, time honored and convenient as cash can so quickly appear exotic to so many???
We never like to think this way, but yes, even today in our “sophisticated” society, with our best-and-most-education-in-all-of-history, we’re also thoroughly brainwashed???
@Rob Bennett (78)–Excellent point about “The people who make money by selling us stuff for years now been been becoming more and more sophisticated about how they go about tricking us into handing over our money.”
But if I can add to your point, we should also give a huge mention to the media. We have a very sopisticated, very convincing media who are largely responsible (or at least a partnering agent) in the above mentioned brainwashing.
We’re all quick to criticize and even trash the media, while being largely unaware of just how deep it’s reach is into our lives and our thinking.
December 11th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Okay, I have to ask: What does Orman mean by “cash”? After years in retail, “cash” “debit” and “credit cards” are separate categories in my mind. (Retailers pay fees when people debit but not cash, so the two are NOT the same for a store owner).
Technically, it’s impossible to pay cash (i.e. bills and coins) for an online purchase, so you’d have to debit, Paypal or purchase a gift card and then use the gift card online.