Last week, I wrote that you can negotiate anything. This guest post by G.E. Miller gives a real-life example of using negotiation to save money. For more from G.E., check out his personal finance blogs 20somethingfinance.com and microfrugality.com.
For the third of the country who has no choice but to turn to Comcast for cable television, the thought of price haggling is about as appealing as a root canal. Comcast has a notorious reputation for being unwilling to make their customers happy. Customers of other monopolistic cable outfits across the nation know the feeling.
However, the potential savings that can come from limiting a monthly subscription expense can be enormous. What’s a frugal personal financier to do?
Dealing with your local cable superpower doesn’t have to be an intimidating process. And as evidenced by the ease in which I recently cut my cable/internet costs by a third during a short online chat without losing any service whatsoever, you may have similar success.
With television service competition increasing and unemployment rates still trending upward, consumers are looking to slice discretionary expenses and service providers may be feeling the pinch to keep them on board. There’s no better time to ask than now. Here’s my actual chat with a Comcast rep (whose name has been altered to Rizzo to preserve his anonymity). Afterward, we’ll discuss some universal price haggling techniques to better prepare you for your interaction.
user G.E. has entered room
analyst Rizzo has entered room
Rizzo: Hello G.E., Thank you for contacting Comcast Live Chat Support. My name is Rizzo. Please give me one moment to review your information.
G.E.: Hi Rizzo
Rizzo: Hello G.E., I will be happy to assist you today. How are you?
G.E.: Fine, you?
Rizzo: How may I assist you today? I’m good. Thanks for asking.
G.E.: I need to lower my bill. U-Verse is much cheaper. Thinking of switching
Rizzo: Alright. Let me check my resources for this.
G.E.: A buddy of mine was able to get $39.99/mo. for digital preferred for a year.
Rizzo: Can I have your account number please.
G.E.: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Rizzo: Thank you for that. I will now check on the account. Please bear with me. Thanks.
Rizzo: G.E, I have checked the account. You have our Digital Preferred package for $74.94, DVR for $9.99, Internet $42.95 and Modem Rent for $5.00. I will now check on my resources to lower your bill.
Rizzo: I have checked my resources. I can offer you Digital Preffered $54.99 for 12months and Internet for $19.99 for 6 months.
G.E.: Can you do $44.99 on the cable or 1/2 price DVR and extend the internet to a year?
Rizzo: With this your new monthly charge will be $89.97. Thats the best promotion available G.E.
G.E.: Rizzo, we’re so close! =)
Rizzo: Thanks. Do you want me to process this one for you?
G.E.: Can you extend the internet to a year? That way the cable and internet are both a year
Rizzo: The Internet Code is only good for 6 months. That’s the best price I can offer you for internet. However, you can check back on us again next quarter to check if there’s another promotion available to you. Would that be okay?
G.E.: What’s my TOTAL bill now, and what would it be after your offer?
Rizzo: Your current monthly charge is $132.88. With this offer your monthly bill is $89.97.
G.E.: Preferred is what I presently have, correct?
Rizzo: Yes, the offer that I have is also a Digital Preferred package. Do you want me to proceed and process this one?
G.E.: Yes, can you send me an email confirmation?
Rizzo: Unfortunately, I cannot. The process will take effect immediately. You will see this rates adjusted on your next bill.
Rizzo: Shall I process this now?
G.E.: yes
Rizzo: Alright.
G.E.: thanks Rizzo, you’re a good man.
Rizzo: You’re welcome. I’m still processing. Please bear with me.
Rizzo: G.E., I already have processed the order. The new charges includes Preferred $54.99, DVR $9.99, Modem $5.00 and Internet $19.99. Your new monthly charge is $89.97.
Rizzo: Do you have other concerns for today? I will be glad to assist you further.
G.E.: Nope, that’s it. thanks
Rizzo: You’re welcome. By the way, to properly close this chat room please click on the END SESSION button. Thank you. I hope that you can find time in answering the 3 question survey after this chat. Thanks.
Rizzo: Bye for now.
So what can you take away from this chat transcript? There are a few universal haggling techniques that are applicable to just about any price haggling scenario.
- Don’t be afraid to ask. Asking to cut my bill worked. Amazed at how simple it was to cut more than I was aiming for from my bill immediately, I asked for an even bigger cut. That request was denied (not to my surprise or dismay). Truth be told, I’m not sure that any of the techniques I used triggered the better offer, but I do know one thing — had I been afraid to simply ask for the price break, I would have never gotten one. Rule number one is to overcome your fear and just ask.
- Be pleasant. Congeniality is king when interacting with CSRs. Being rude only infuses CSRs with the desire to deny your request. CSRs aren’t paid near what they should be, and probably don’t have the highest job satisfaction levels. If you can appeal to their gentler human-side, you win. Spit fire at them, and they will slam the door on you with pleasure.
- Refer to the competition. I had heard that Comcast was motivated to be a little more giving with the entrance of AT&T U-Verse cable into the marketplace (at lower prices). I’m not sure that it helped in this specific case, but referencing the competition specifically or generically (if its offerings are weaker) rarely will hurt you.
- State the facts. More than anything else, I wanted to lower my cost, and that’s what I asked for. Someone I know had received a better price than I was paying and I stated that fact.
- Do your research. Knowing what kind of promotions the company is offering to new or exiting customers is essential to getting the best deal. When it comes down to it, if you can quit your service and then re-start it the next day at a cheaper price, the company knows it has little incentive to let you leave without matching that offer.
- Look for special circumstances. I’d heard that working with Comcast online chat representatives often yielded better results because the reps weren’t actual Comcast employees, and therefore had lesser incentive to play the hard line. That’s why I chose the online chat route versus the phone.
- Let them make the first move. Before the chat, had I not received a cost break, I was willing to cut my service levels. I didn’t offer that right away, and it turned out that I didn’t need to. Don’t show all your cards right away.
When I need to call back in, I now have two additional pieces of information that I can take into the negotiation process based on this statement form the CSR: “The Internet Code is only good for 6 months. That’s the best price I can offer you for internet. However, you can check back on us again next quarter to check if there’s another promotion available to you.”
I now know that Comcast has promotions available on a quarterly basis. I also know that there are “codes” for both Internet and cable. Both pieces of info should help me in future negotiations. Hopefully, they’ll help you as well.
Have you had similar success haggling with your cable company or ISP? What do you attribute it to? What kind of a break did you get on your bill?
Previously at Get Rich Slowly, G.E. has shared articles on the compound return marathon and what to look for when buying a home. If you’d like more cost-savings tips, check out 20somethingfinance.com or microfrugality.com. If you liked this article on how to cut your monthly subscription costs, check out G.E.’s Ooma review. The Ooma has allowed him to cut his monthly phone bill by $30 per month.
This article is about Frugality, Hints and Tips, Money Hacks, Real-Life Wednesday, 16th December 2009 (by J.D. Roth)


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December 16th, 2009 at 5:21 am
Wow. I hadn’t thought of haggling with my cable company, but I surely will try now.
My total cable bill for digital cable (with starz and hbo) internet and phone is 80 a month.
So while I was delighted to read this, after checking out your bill I might be less inclined to haggle now and just thank my lucky stars instead! Wow!
December 16th, 2009 at 5:30 am
Very timely for us. Our cable bill (Charter) increased by over $50.00 this month as our 12 month new user rate expired. I would have appreciated getting a notice on our previous bill that our rate was about to change. They’ll only get one month’s worth of this rate. I’ll be making some phone calls this week. Thanks for the tips!
December 16th, 2009 at 5:35 am
G.E.
This is awesome. Thank you so much for sharing the power of just asking, and being pleasant. It seriously can go a long way with anything, not just a cable bill.
I’m calling my provider tomorrow.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:09 am
Why not get rid of cable entirely and save even more? Due to a roof replacement at my townhouse I was forced to get rid of DTV; before taking the plunge I crunched the numbers and found that I could easily save myself over $700 a year by cutting the cable bill; with the advancement of things like Hulu and Boxee there is a bountiful amount of content available on the internet at no cost, not to mention for just a mere 8.99 a month you get access to a large video library via Netflix. It takes some dedication to make it work but in the end it will save me easily 1K a year.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:10 am
I’ve had the exact same experience only I wasn’t nearly as organized: I just acted appalled that I was paying so much. I was actually frustrated and I’m pretty sure that came through.
I got a deal, but not nearly as good as the one you got! I would stress #2: BE PLEASANT!
Nobody likes a jerk.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:23 am
I had a similar exchange with Comcast. I told them that my mother-in-law was paying $35.00 less and she had all three services while I had only two.
My bill went from $140.00/mo. to $106.00/mo. and that included adding a third service. Since the digital voice was added, I was also able to drop Cavalier’s phone services, saving me another $57.00/mo. Total saved for 10 minutes on the phone (and a 30 min. service call to install phone modem (router?) was $91.00/month!
December 16th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Yes, I’ve negotiated with DirecTV the last three times they upped our rates and so for the last 2-3 years we have had no increases in our monthly service charge. And they also gave us free ShowTime or a free sports package (so more service for same cost).
But this last time they upped our rate by $5 a month I didn’t call and this is a good reminder to do so. And in fact I normally use whatever special Comcast is running in my dealings with DirecTV.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:46 am
I’ve tried this with Charter a couple times. Once or twice over the phone, and once at their office. It’s never worked for me. I can’t threaten to quit because there is no alternative for HS internet at my house and I work from home. I’ve asked to sign a contract, but they can never offer me anything. They did just recently send me a notice that my cost for modem rental was increasing from $3 to $5 and that prompted me to buy a modem ($55). That will pay for itself in a year.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:47 am
I’ve had one root canal. I think that dentist would take offense at it being in the same category as dealing with Comcast!
DirecTV in our area doesn’t up our fees and when we’ve had some outages a free month of whatever shows up and we’ve been fairly happy.
*I should note that unemployment recently trended downward. Just FYI. You know, economist and all that
December 16th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Wow! That is awesome. I am going to give our local company a call today to try to get our bill lowered. That would be great!
December 16th, 2009 at 6:51 am
Recently, I moved to a new house and was setting up all of our services there. Initially, I thought I would use a satellite company; however, after researching their internet options I decided to go with the local cable service who also offers internet.
When I called the satellite company (DirecTV) to cancel my set-up, they researched three times to lower the rates before I could finally cancel. I wish I could have stayed with them after all the reductions in price!
December 16th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Add a Number 8 to the list: “Believe it when you see your bill.”
When I had my DSL through Qwest (I don’t watch much television & so do not need an expensive cable service), I called one day to see if there was anything they could do about the steadily rising cost. The CSR told me my service was not bundled. I said it should be, because the “we’ll save you money with our bundle” come-on was the reason I switched to their DSL/landline/cell phone service in the first place.
He said he would save me a lot of money by bundling my services.
Yeah.
He saved me a lot of money on what the load of unnecessary, unwanted services he dumped on me would have cost had I asked for them. In the process, he raised my phone bill by $20 or $30 a month.
It took three months, complaints to the state corporation commission (which, BTW, does not regulate Internet services–these services are completely unregulated, which is why these uncaring and faceless corporations can shaft you every which way from Sunday), appeals to Qworst’s CEO, and threats of a lawsuit to get quit of the mess the guy created.
On Consumerist, I discovered that someone else had been subjected to the exact same scam, so apparently it was not the result of one dishonest CSR.
Don’t know anything about Comcast; once I got quit of the Qworst mess, I switched to Cox, which provides far better services for less than I was paying at the outset.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:14 am
I cut my cable bill by 100%. How? By cancelling service. I think the real cost of cable is not the $50 or $100 per month, but the opportunity cost. Anyone could invest the TV time to build a business, start a successful blog, or learn to invest. They could retire in a few years.
But, come to think of it, once I cancelled the service, they went crazy. They called me back regularly for about 6 months offering me unbelievable pricing. They offered me services for $5 per month. I had previously been paying $70 per month. It was pretty funny.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Cable modems are pretty affordable these days - purchasing one usually makes more sense than renting one.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:20 am
@George - I cancelled my cable entirely this year too.
Lately, Rogers has been sending me some really hilarious cards in the mail (though I think they are supposed to be endearing, not funny) that say things like “we miss you” and “we’re lonely without you”. It’s like I broke up with them!
They haven’t offered me any ridiculous deals like you, though.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:24 am
I’ve also found that online customer service chats are better. I get less frustrated and you’re able to keep a transcript of the conversation as opposed to voice calls that MAY have been recorded.
@Funny about Money, I wrote a rant about cable last month. In my case we only had two choices, satellite or cable. There was only one cable provider in our area. We pay $80 for 200+ channels. We only care about 20 channels. The rest is useless to us but we don’t have a choice. You’re right about these companies doing whatever they like. I feel trapped. It’s kind of like a necessary evil.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Here’s a slightly related question: What do you do when you don’t have many ISP options where you live? We only have two ISPs that service our area, and both of them suck. We would actually pay MORE for service that didn’t aggravate us.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:37 am
JD this is great advice that I tell friends all the time. Any time Comcrap increases my rates, I call and get onto a new plan. Decreases like this are very common. If you get push back and they won’t put you on an existing customer plan, this is where the research comes in. If Comcrap tells you that they have no lower prices or promotions for existing customers, you need to be ready to quote competitor’s prices to get onto a new customer plan.
By the way, this can also work with trash companys, cell phone companies, etc.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:39 am
I do this same thing with Charter Cable, and it also works. If you simply ask, then insist, you will get a promotional rate. The only pain is that you have to do it again every 6-12 months as the promotion runs out.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Wow. After reading this post, I tried this exact approach with Comcast via chat. I was very polite, and stated that I was thinking about cancelling service entirely due to the high cost. This is true, even though there are no other service providers in my area. The customer service rep, who was also very polite, cut my cable from 62.25 to 29.99 per month!!!! Thanks for this great post.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:56 am
@lostAnnfound
Actually, the bill you got from charter should be for NEXT months charges, so you should call ASAP. Even if they were for this month, you could get them changed as of the day you call, so calling ASAP is in your favor. I had charter for a while, I never really liked them and was super happy when I moved and could switch to FiOS.
Another suggestion, if youre paying $5 a month to rent a cable modem, look on craigslist for one. I was able to find one for $12, paid for itself in three months.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:03 am
This is a great approach. I did the same thing with Comcast when Verizon FIOS rolled into town. I did a similar post and you’ve covered all the key points. (and you saved even more than I did!)
Here’s one extra add-on though. I did this over a year ago and they cited the 6-month deal as well. All I do now, is each time the 6 months comes up and the price jumps due to expiry of our agreement, I call up and again and re-up. I basically say (politely) that the only reason I’m still with Comcast is because of our previous agreement. Each time, they find a new “promotion” to adjust the bill and it works like a charm. So, essentially, I’m saving a few hundred per year for life on a service I planned on staying with all along.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Does Comcast have a penalty for cancelling service? It seems that this strategy only works if you can switch to U-Verse or Fios without paying Comcast a penalty. If that’s the case, then I’d consider haggling.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:09 am
After reading this, I just spent 1 hour on comcast online support, I was very pleasant, using your tactics, and their response was this:
“I have just checked everything and As much as I want to help you reduce your bill right now but I am sad to inform you the we don’t have any promotional offers as of the moment. The current service you have is the best rate being offered right now. What I would suggest is for you to chat with us every now and then to check and be updated for special deals that might be offered in the near future. ”
Bummer.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:13 am
You can do better.
Threaten to close the account and they will transfer you to the retention department.
They can offer even more.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Thanks so much! this is incredibly helpful.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Here is a tip - if you get a chance to go to a Comcast service center, they have more options than what is available online.
When I was there earlier this year, they had a brochure the size of a take-out menu. You can order the cable, internet, and phone a la carte rather than the bundle. They’ll try to sell you the bundle for cheaper, but just ignore them.
They had this cable package called Digital Economy, which may not be available now, but it’s much more than the Basic Cable. For internet, we picked the cheapest connection (I think it’s $10 a month, called Economy xxx) and it works just fine for the two computers and the Tivo box. For a while we even had the “Sports Entertainment” package for an additional $10 a month. The total of our cable and internet is less than $60, including taxes.
And the good thing about all this - there is no 6-month or 12-month deal. It’s permanent from the start!!!
December 16th, 2009 at 8:20 am
I did this a few months ago with Comcast over the phone and it works like a charm.
My goal was actually to cancel cable and just keep the internet package, but after some discussion they cut my bill so it was only $10 more with cable then without (just basic cable, no DVR or anything fancy). Still though, it saved me about $40 a month and I have the same service I had before.
There’s really no reason you shouldn’t try to negotiate your cable rates.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Comcast just raised my internet rate back to their regular rate. Just had a live chat with a rep and decreased my bill for another six months. However, I was unable to get the $19.99/month rate for internet.
Usually I call for stuff like this, but find the online chat works much better. It does take the stress out of haggling.
We still have digital cable, but it’s still at a promotional rate of $29.99/month. Currently looking into buying a digital converter box and antenna so we can cancel cable completely.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:34 am
We’re doing everything we can to cut back on expenses.
We canceled cable entirely and asked our cable company (RCN) for a discount on high speed internet (can’t go with dial-up because my son takes school online and needs to stream video/audio). Since we don’t have cable, we also canceled TiVo. Just with that, we saved ourselves $1,260 over the next year.
We also dropped Netflix down to the minimum level (saving $228 a year) so we get one DVD out at a time and stream the online content through my son’s PS3 and our computers. Monthly cost about $9. Didn’t need to buy a Roku to get this service. Plus we’ve started re-watching our extensive library of DVD’s. Netflix seems to be adding more streaming content every day. Every time I look at my queue, a more few movies have “coming soon” in the streaming column. And it’s mobile too. If you have a laptop and travel, you can stream Netflix anywhere. (Makes me wonder how cable companies are going to be able to stay competitive at all, given their high cost compared to Netflix.)
We also dropped Vonage phone service a couple of months ago (saving approx another $384 a year). Kept the cell phones, but plan on taking a look at the cost of that service next. Skype is pretty cheap per month if you want to be able to access landlines/cell phones through that service.
So far our total annual savings is $1,872. And the minute I called RCN to cancel, the first thing the guy did was to ask if I wanted a discount. So they’re VERY willing to talk to you. They must be losing lots of customers in this economy.
Frankly, now that we don’t have cable, I don’t really miss it. With sites like Hulu and Fancast plus the TV stations’ own sites, we can still see about 99% of what we were watching while paying for cable. And most if it WITHOUT commercials. Fully 1/4 of what we were watching on cable was commercials (which we used to just fast forward through with the TiVo anyway).
December 16th, 2009 at 8:38 am
I do this every 6 months!!!! it works, they are so great a ripping people off and giving shitty service I dont feel bad at all.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:46 am
“Be polite” is one of the best, and sometimes hardest, things to keep in mind. More than once when I have been too frustrated to remain polite (or wanted the person to know how upset I was) I frequently said, “I know this isn’t YOUR fault, but…” When you make it clear that it isn’t personal and you aren’t going to berate the CSR simply because they work for the company in question they are so much more helpful. I have even had some hint at something they weren’t allowed to volunteer (like “I know the deal expired, but you might be able to get it extended if you asked for it.”)
We need to do something about our cable. I never watch it and DH only watches football, but my mom lives with us and she’s addicted to the TV. Not only is it expensive but she loves gory crime dramas that I don’t want my daughter watching.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:56 am
This whole topic reads a bit like “How I cut my cigarette cost by 33%” to me. Sure, you could find cheaper cigarettes, or you could quit smoking. It’s not even the shows that are poisonous (well, it’s some of them, but some are pretty good), but the commercials. I honestly think the reason I can leave $4000 in my checking account without being constantly tempted to spend it has a lot to do with the fact that I don’t watch TV commercials, or hear radio commercials.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Why you’re renting a cable modem? ($5 per month? Really?) Also, are you geting HD?
With TWC (up until November), I was paying ~$114 for HD programming, DVR rental (which was cheaper overall than getting cable cards and buying an HD TIVO), and 8 or 12 Mbps internet.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:01 am
I got a 100% reduction in my cable bill over two years ago when I canceled it completely. I haven’t had a land line phone since 1995, either, but I’ve had the fastest internet connection I could get my hands on for over a decade.
TV is a waste of time. You’re wasting your life in the superficial embrace of marketing witchcraft targeting the lowest common denominators of our society. Spend more time online connecting with others. You’ll find that you can still access all your favorite programs (and some you never heard of) minus the commercials, and on your schedule.
Watch out for Comcast. They’re out to control as much of the TV and internet market as they can. They’re already throttling your internet connection depending on what they think you’re downloading online (everything is a download, by the way, even this page). Soon they’ll be able to slow down your internet connection to competing cable networks with impunity.
Really. Do you want to give these fat cats another dime so you can watch another “reality” show or manufactured medical drama?
Kudos to those who have got off the couch and got online.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:05 am
I also live in Portland and have Comcast. My husband recently called and essentially got the same price break you mention here. In our case, a six month promotional price was about to run out. He called and stated that because the promo was expiring, we’d like to downgrade our plan. They offered to extend the same promo price for another six months. So, we’re essentially paying for “expanded” but getting “preferred.” Unfortunately, now I’m kind of hooked on some of the higher channels so it will be more difficult to want to downgrade in the future. Of course they know that, which is why they offer the better packages at lower rates at first–to get us hooked!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:06 am
I’m taking George’s path at the end of the month and canceling service with DirecTV. The $75/month just isn’t worth it to me anymore.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:11 am
We did that with our cell phone. Called and asked for any and all discounts (and to finally fix it so we weren’t being taxed for two states). They gave us a 10% discount, which balanced out the higher cell phone tax in our new state.
I definitely agree with Funny about money’s #8. Believe it when you see the bill. It took 3 months for them to fix things so that we didn’t have to keep calling to get things corrected every month.
Re: Whether or not to have cable. We have to have internet. We don’t have cable, but do have a landline we don’t need (that annoys DH because it only gives us sales calls). The internet bundles are always cheaper than the things alone where we live. We occasionally re-evaluate how to get our internet but haven’t seen a better package.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:13 am
We were planning to dump Comcast for AT&T after AT&T started sending us all kinds of mail to our house– but then when we actually went to do it, it turns out that they did NOT service our address! Um, so why were you sending us mail, then?
That meant we had to go crawling back to Comcast and pay $50 installation for them to just flip the switch.
On the plus side, Comcast recently offered (with no solicitation on my part) to lower our bill by $5 a month if we got cable (we previously just had internet.) We don’t own a television. The service guy sure was happy when we asked him not to install a cable splitter or any cable, and just lowered the bill.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I ditched cable years ago and have never looked back. We are now on the 3 at a time unlimited plan with Netflix. Total cost? $19/month, and we’re very happy with it. Sadly, the streaming does not work for us, as my partner is deaf, and Netflix does not make their streaming content accessible.
When I wanted to cancel my Comcrap account, I had to threaten them with going to the consumer protection agency in my county before they took me seriously. They are thieves and have a monopoly where I live. It sucks.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:15 am
I’m actually surprised by this. I find it very easy to negotiate rates with my cable company (and I’m a terrible negotiator). But it also helps that there are two major competitors here, and they are always offering promos.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:19 am
I had a very similar experience to Nick. I wanted to just drop cable TV altogether and use Hulu and Netflix instead, but it turned out that, after some haggling, retaining the TV only cost $10 more per month than internet alone–and I actually got ~100 more channels, including some commercial-free movie channels. (Go figure!) I saved about $40 compared to the regular rate I had been paying. With the bundling they do, it’s impossible to get “internet only” for a reasonable price (at least in my area).
If you’re renting a cable modem, go on Craigslist and buy a used one to save that $5/month. You should be able to get one for under $30.
I have to say, despite their bad reputation, my dealings with Comcast have been mostly very good. Their customer reps and technicians have been competent and generally agreeable, and when we had some recurring problems with our service they were willing to discount that month’s bill.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Thanks, JD! I just called Comcast (they wouldn’t talk about my bill in online chat, which was weird), and got my internet bill lowered from $48 to $24.99 - not quite as good as your deal, but it matched the offer I had received from Clear WiMax the other day. Thanks for the tips - I’m marking my calendar for 5 months from now to renew the offer!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:23 am
You are so right Tyler! We have an almost zero desire for new “stuff” without commercials. And without network/cable news shows, things are a lot less depressing around here lately! LOL (And we’re on unemployment.) All that stuff just brings you down or makes you feel like you’re missing out on the latest/greatest gadget.
For anyone who’s streaming Netflix, check out the British TV show Good Neighbors. They are the ultimate in frugality!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Who is frugal spending $132.88 a month in cable????
Give me a break!!!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:41 am
When I originally signed up for Comcast cable internet 8 years ago, I did it through a retailer to get the free cable modem promotion. They were running it at Best Buy, Circuit City,etc. I think it was $49.99 with a $50 MIR- or something like that.
Even if I just bought the modem outright, it would have been 50 bucks, maybe 79.99 tops. It was a Motorola modem.
I moved out of the Comcast area and got a new cable company. I wasn’t going to start renting then. I insisted they make it work with my existing modem. They did.
I have Uverse now. They use their own 2Wire gateway. I can’t use my Motorola modem with it, but it still works. I used it for almost 7 years and 2 cable companies. If I had rented, it would have cost me an additional $400+. Maybe you can’t expect a modem to last that long, but even if it breaks after 1 year it is still cheaper to buy the modem. If the modem broke, I could then always choose to buy another or start renting one at that time- no reason to rent one indefinitely and throw away money.
Now if anyone has a solution for the monthly fees ATT charges for each box…
December 16th, 2009 at 9:47 am
#45,
I consider myself frugal and spend close to that. However, mine also includes telephone ( which is a necessity for my wife) and internet ( which is a necessity for both of us) and the lowest priced TV package.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Greg C, if you have high speed internet, you may want consider a wireless headset and Skype for your wife. You can call landlines and cell phones from Skype and I think the rate is around $3-4 a month.
We’re still pondering what to do about our cells. I know there’s room for improvement on the cost of that.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Just wanted to add, we tried MagicJack for phone service. Couldn’t get it to work, even with their tech support staff helping.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:09 am
PA Mom…I have MagicJack…the problems that I have before were when my computer didnt recognize the usb connection. After that is fixed the service works great!
December 16th, 2009 at 10:13 am
I just tried the live chat approach and was informed that I had to call a Comcast number to get the discounts I was possibly eligible for. Do you think this is representative-dependent? or region-dependent? I’m in Nashville, and I’ve heard rumors that AT&T is offering services, or I guess I could threaten to switch to satellite, though since I’m in an apt, not sure if they would catch on. Any suggestions?
December 16th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Hi Marcos,
We tried everything we could think of. We used a USB port that we knew was working fine (unplugged something else). Then we tried several different ports, different computer settings (with their tech support person on the phone), nothing worked. After about three hours with tech support we just gave up and returned it for a refund. The tech guy thought it was just a bad MagicJack, but I wasn’t willing to reorder it and give it another try. It became “not worth the effort”.
I read up on consumer feedback online and the general consensus about it seems to be that for some people it’ll work great on the first try and for others it’ll never work. LOL!
December 16th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Of course this blog is about *personal* finance, but I’ve had lots of success negotiating prices from all my vendors at work. We dropped 1/3 off our internet bill and probably 1/4 off our phone bill. I’ve also had better discounts out of Dell lately, both on the corporate (business) side, as well as their consumer deals. If you’re buying a computer from Dell, and you know what you want and what it costs, give them a call and ask for a better price. They’re commissioned sales guys, if they get the sale by giving you another 3% off and free shipping, they make money.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:32 am
DH and I consider our AT&T Dish package a fair value - internet, Dish, 2-TV DVR, and our fax line, for about $100/mo. The business cell service costs more!
We watch TV together, so I have a question for those “TV is crap, use the internet” folks: do you have a huge monitor that you can sit in front of as a family, or do you do what some of our friends do - partner 1 in one room, partner 2 in another, barely seeing each other? And this doesn’t even touch on computer gaming, something else the internet people seem to do more of.
Based on what I’ve heard from people I know, switching to internet-based entertainment doesn’t generally mean people spend less time in front of a screen. Sure, they may see fewer advertisements, but seeing an ad doesn’t HAVE to mean buying a product - and wasted *money* can usually be earned back. Wasted *time* never can be, so what’s the real difference between internet and TV?
December 16th, 2009 at 10:34 am
@PA Mom
What you did is exactly what I’m in the process of doing. I actually kept basic cable (12.95, non digital) because it’s cheaper to have basic+internet, than just internet by itself. My last step is cutting out Vonage which will be done in January when the 1 year contract is up; I’ll be moving to GoogleVoice which is already proving to be 10x more useful than Vonage
December 16th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Comcast is one of the worst companies ever (Blazer game ripoffs, arrrgh), but has the best customer service I’ve ever dealt with. I once called in with five different issues on one bill and had them all resolved within twenty minutes. The rep then gave me a bunch of discounts for my trouble.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:45 am
I played the negotiation game with Comcast for about 2 years and it always worked well. It got especially easy once Verizon Fios came to town, suddenly Comcast became a lot more willing to negotiate. But, finally I got sick of having to pick of the phone and negotiate and just opted for basic cable plus the little advertised Family Tier. Its a great comprise to getting rid of cable completely. They also have the Sports Tier add on for about $8 dollars extra over basic. This resulted in a $10 dollar savings over the previous promotional package I was offered and $41 over the standard rate.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:47 am
When AT&T became available in my area I switched from Time Warner. When I took the boxes in to the TW office, there was a line around the block of people doing the same thing. And, TW was more than willing to cut your bill by 1/3 or more to keep you.
Also, I recently negotiated down my cell service (AT&T). They gave me an unpublished plan that better meets my needs and saves me $15 /month. I was approaching the end of my contract agreement and started asking questions about discontinuing service and switching to another carrier.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:54 am
PA Mom:
Well…it still working for us…it is not perfect…but it is free :0) . For people with cellphones at T-mobile…they offer a internet-based phone service for the house for $10 a month.
December 16th, 2009 at 11:10 am
We recently signed up for cable TV, and by using the chat (which seems to have the highest likelihood of success) we were able to get a package that normally goes for about $84.99/month for $36.99/month. All we had to do was ask for freebies, and reference deals that others had gotten. A good point to consider when shopping for cable deals is to check out hot deals forums where others are talking about the deals they got. That way you can find a specific deal to ask for when chatting. Great post!
December 16th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I did something similar a couple of months ago - I don’t have tv, only internet from Comcast, and was paying $33/ mo., which is a decent price as is; then I found a flyer that was offering $23/ mo. I called, asked them to change it, and they tried to offer me something else, but relatively quickly changed it. Its only for 6 mos., but I will call again them and try to work out another special deal.
I think it really does depend on one being willing to leave them and saying so - since they really really want to keep customers right now.
December 16th, 2009 at 11:38 am
@54 Chacha
“We watch TV together, so I have a question for those “TV is crap, use the internet” folks: do you have a huge monitor that you can sit in front of as a family, or do you do what some of our friends do - partner 1 in one room, partner 2 in another, barely seeing each other?”
Actually, yes. The XBox and a separate computer are hooked up to a projector in the living room. Even computer gaming is a shared experience. I have nothing against TV, but prefer the on-demand limited/no commercials aspect of Netflix, Hulu, comedy central etc. (Also has the benefit of being able to start a series after you know it hasn’t been cancelled in the middle of the season.) Obviously if you’re into sports, that isn’t generally going to work.
December 16th, 2009 at 11:46 am
@chacha1:
“I have a question for those “TV is crap, use the internet” folks: do you have a huge monitor that you can sit in front of as a family, or do you do what some of our friends do - partner 1 in one room, partner 2 in another, barely seeing each other?”
My wife and I just put a 15″ laptop on the coffee table and sit on the couch next to each other and watch it together.
December 16th, 2009 at 11:56 am
I’ve called twice to request lower rates from my cable company (Mediacom). The first time, they gave me the discount, no problem. The second time, they said I was already getting a discount (I was having billing issues and hadn’t actually received a bill in months, which was the real reason I called; I just figured while I was talking to them, I may as well ask), but that I could call back in a couple of months and ask again. I assume their offers are quarterly, as well, based on the date I was told to try back. Which reminds me: I haven’t called back since then. I should do that!
My sister tried the same thing with Mediacom, and they couldn’t reduce her rates. She switched to DSL, which involved getting a landline. She had to add a land line (she was cell only), and even with that, DSL was faster and cheaper than cable internet.
My DSL is more reliable, faster, and about the same price as my cable internet had been (I switched over a year ago). Plus, they upgraded my neighborhood to fiber optic after I got my package, and they gave me a free upgrade!
December 16th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Dear G.E:
The best way to lower your cable/internet bill is to get rid of cable
I haven’t had cable for years! Nor I find the need to use it all. With way the internet technology is developing, I can do everything I need online.
I can watch news, I can listen to radio, thanks to Hulu I can watch movies, shows, cartoons, TV right there online. It is just the matter of asking yourself: do I REALLY need this or can do away with out it?
As far as negotiating, these are all great tips for the future when I will want to lower then bill.
One thing that has worked for me the best is just saying that I will cancel the service because I cannot afford it. Most of the time any company has been more than happy to accommodate my needs to save me as a customer.
One things that works magic is telling them how much you love and appreciate their service (but be sincere about it) and you hate to make this tough decision.
Realize that you are a valuable customer, because if they do not keep you happy, they are loosing all of the future potential income from you. Keep that in mind!
Thanks for a great story and it is true that you can negotiate everything!
Best,
Tomas
December 16th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I just tried this with my Verizon FiOS service. All I got was two very curt, unhelpful service reps that seemed to want nothing to do with me. They were not able/willing (depending on benefit-of-the-doubt) to apply any specials or promotions as they were “only for new customers, not existing customers”. They also won’t let you cancel and start as a new customer unless the new account is under a different last name. FiOS service is great, but I’ve never been pleasantly surprised by their customer service. Oh well, nothing but a few minutes of my time lost to the attempt.
I’m sure I have a note on my account about it, or I’d try again by phone later.
December 16th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Back atcha Frank…
Our cable co (RCN) went all digital this month in our area, so no more cheap analog plus they wanted me to get an HD box.
I’ll take a look at GoogleVoice. Thanks!
December 16th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Awesome. I tried the chat with AT&T but it didn’t go very far. They couldn’t help much. They did however, provide me a Customer Retention number =) 18006567176
Called them and I cut my home phone and wireless bill by a nice 21%
December 16th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
This totally just worked for me. I got a $35 reduction in cable and internet for 6 months. Then I can try again.
I’ve been meaning to do this for a while but your article was the kick in the pants I needed.
December 16th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Great Article! Really appreciated this one.
December 16th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
@PA Mom
I missed the part about cell phones but if you have verizon they have loyalty plans. They are plans that are not advertised on their site but are offered to customers of a certain length of time. For a family share you can get 2 lines w/ 550 minutes, unlim nights & weekends, IN network calling for 59.99. For a single line you can pay 25 a month for 100 anytime, 500 night & weekend but no IN network. If you’re looking to cut some more fat, they’re definitely viable options.
Regarding GoogleVoice, it’s a VOIP similar to Skype except the main drive people are using it for is multiple call forwarding. Our new home phone number now rings my cell phone, work cell phone and work phone. You get free SMS with it, which if you have a gmail account you can reply right through the email instead of logging into it. It does voicemail transcribes to text (decent, not great). It allows for personal greetings based on the contact/group, call screening, etc, etc. All features of major VOIP but at $0. There are multiple articles on a website called Lifhacker detailing how to maximize it’s use.
December 16th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
I just did that last week. The 2yr business internet package was up and my rate hiked to $98. I called and said that wasn’t going to work for me and they lowered it back to $68. They also revised last months bill to remove the rate hike from the last billing cycle, you just have to ask.
December 16th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Thanks Frank. Good to know. Yes, we’re with Verizon, so I’ll be giving them a call shortly.
We don’t need or use texting, so that feature is blocked on our phones. We’re probably going to drop a phone and go to a 2-phone plan. My son uses Skype and never touches his cell, so we don’t need that one active for now.
Hmmm…wonder what plan they have for 2 phones/no in network calling. We’ve never hit the max of our minutes so it doesn’t really matter if it’s in or out of network for us. These days we spend more time communicating online than via phone. Maybe I should look for something even cheaper with very few minutes and get Skype for calls made from home. We’re homebodies most of the time anyway lately.
Food for thought. This is a great discussion! Lots of good ideas.
December 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Here’s another one that’s worked a lot for me. Tell the operator you’d like to put in a GLOWING REVIEW to his/her manager! Ask for a survey to fill out, anything!
Best, Sam
December 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
I’ve always found it better to to nice with customer service. You can get more with sugar than vinegar and being pleasant goes a long way. Also asking never hurts in any situation whether reducing a bill or a cute girls number.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
I tried the online chat with Comcast last week on another matter. (I couldn’t get logged into my online account.) I found chatting with the CSR to be like talking to a robot that doesn’t quite know how to parse your words. The CSR claimed she couldn’t help me unless I was at home and could answer my phone to verify myself. I was at work. I got very frustrated and subsequently complained on twitter, where a very nice person from Comcast picked up on my use of the #comcast hashtag and helped me work through my issue wihtout having to be at home!
I get the same robot vibe from this chat transcript, but perhaps if I can expect that going in this time I will have better luck. Thanks for the tip! I do think I will chat Comcast this week and ask for a lower rate.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
I thought this was worth a try, but no luck. I have Comcast for internet only and they were entirely unwilling to work with me unless I added cable television or home telephone. I tried in vain to point out that paying an extra $10 per month to add a service I don’t need does not count as lowering my bill.
The best part was the end of the chat: “Thank you for choosing Comcast as your cable TV provider and have a great [insert day or night]!”
December 16th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
@ Financial Samurai & Craig
Yeah, that was actually fun to do with the TiVo customer service rep. I was calling them to cancel and when she asked the reason I told her due to unemployment. Stopped her dead in her tracks at first! LOL We chatted a little more and she said “You sound like you’re handling this really well.” I told her, next time you’re having a bad day or are on the phone with a hostile customer, remember this conversation and be happy that you have a job in this economy. She said, “Oh, I definitely will!” Turned out to be a very pleasant conversation and she did say she was going to have them email me a feedback questionnaire.
Obviously, I wasn’t going for a discount here since I can no longer make use of their service without cable, but I figured it would just be a nice change for her to have a pleasant chat with a customer who was canceling.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I just tried this and reduced my bill for 12 months by 37%. WOW! Thanks soooooo muchOk
December 16th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Just did the same thing with Uverse—twice in the last year!
Cut my bill in half!
December 16th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I am so glad you posted this, I never would have thought of asking them to lower it w/o having to change service. However, I just did this with Comcast and lowered my bill to from $127 to $95/month
December 16th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Hi
Thank you for the tips… I called dish network and they lower my rate by $15.00 a month (same package)for a year and gave me HBO and showtime for free for 3 months. It pays to be nice… I had been with them and long time and explained why do new customer get a break when I have been with them for so long.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Thanks to everyone who posted the idea about cable modems. Just found one on CraigsList for $20. That’s another $3/month saved on my RCN bill.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Wrote a similar post re this — http://bit.ly/7xQNcf — I also habitually negotiate with Comcast. Every time they raise your bill, just call them up and repeat this process.
December 16th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
When I got online to set up my cable internet with Comcast, I haggled with the chat rep and ended up with an incredible deal.
For a while he said $54.95 was as low as they could go for the cable internet I wanted, since I didn’t have any other services from them, but I was reluctant for so long that they ended up offering $19.99 a month for a year (they originally offered for only 6 months but then extended it when I continued to be reluctant), and then they cut the setup fee from $99 to $25 without me even asking!
I ended up saving about $500 for the year. I was very happy with that haggling experience!
December 16th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I’ve had the exact same conversation (in the exact same way) with comcast chat online and was stonewalled…guess its time to try again. Just a warning to those reading, individual results may vary!
December 16th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Well you guys would’ve hated me as a Comcast rep. If you said you wanted to cancel I would tell you I can arrange that for you and start the work order. Most of the time people were just bluffing. But it wasn’t like I was mean, I was polite and simply did what they wanted me to do for them!
Needless to say though, the job wasn’t for me–it was just something fun to do since we knew people called in to make a fuss to lower their rates, but I obviously learned all of my own negotiating tactics from this experience.
The fun one is “I would like to cancel my service,” says the customer. The reply will always be “One second, let me send you to someone who can help you with that.” Those people are the Retention Department. They’re there to retain you and negotiate with you…
December 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Regarding phone service, we just switched to Ooma and are liking it so far. The quality isn’t QUITE as good and it takes connections about a second longer, but as long as I’m never in a situation where I HAVE to get through to 911 and every moment counts I think I’ll be okay.
We considered MagicJack, but we don’t leave our computer on all the time and didn’t want to. We wanted something really easy to use, stand alone, and as close to a regular landline as we could get.
We like it so far, and our phone bill was getting stupid. It should pay for itself in five months, then everything is free, even if we decide to upgrade in a year we’re doing well.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Reply to Vicky:
” thought this was worth a try, but no luck. I have Comcast for internet only and they were entirely unwilling to work with me unless I added cable television or home telephone. I tried in vain to point out that paying an extra $10 per month to add a service I don’t need does not count as lowering my bill.”
Yeah, if you are a one product customer they don’t really care too much about retaining you or helping out your bill. It’s when you’re a multiple-product customer and you (e.g. internet and cable) and you call and hint at dropping one of your services. Statistically, you’re more likely to stay and easier to retain with multiple products so they do their damnest to keep you at two or more…
December 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I called Optimum online several months ago to try and lower our basic cable and internet service. They only offered a better rate if I increased my services! However, I did manage to get a $10 credit on the account. My husband laughed at the $10 credit.
I am going to try on the online chat and see if I can get a better rate or even another $10.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Had a similar experience with Sirius Satellite radio. I have two radios, and I called to cancel one, they gave me both at half price for year.
Alan
December 16th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Most of the time all you got to do is ‘Just ASK’! Sounds simple and believe me it is. I do this with Charter in MI but have to do it every 6 months. Important thing to keep in mind is to know the competition’s price and other alternatives in case you threaten to cancel services and it happens. Don’t be afraid to threaten to cancel, but you can always say you can get back about canceling before you actually have to! Call again & you might get a different customer service rep more amenable to give you a deal.
And I only have the Charter internet service - the threat of cancellation works.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
@chacha1
We just hook our laptop up to the TV if we are watching Hulu with more then 2 people. If its just DH and I we watch it on the laptop. Its more convenient that way, we can bring it to any room in the house.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Thanks for the post JD! I’ve been meaning to do this for a while and your post reminded me of it so I jumped online immediately. I wasn’t as successful as you but did get a $15 a month discount for 6 months. I wrote about my experience here: http://srf99.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/if-you-want-to-spend-less-just-ask-one-consumers-experience/
December 16th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
I used to do this all the time with my TV bill. That is until I realized there was nothing on. Ever.
Today after reading this post I thought about my internet bill. I called Comcast and they dropped $15 a month off for the year.
Comcast gets a lot of crap. Although I understand the feeling it being a monopoly, there are choices. You can choose other companies, another level of service, or cancel it completely and use the library. It’s not like the electric company. Something we need.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
@ Everyone who got their bills cut today - Awesome! Great to hear that so many are having success and I could help inspire you to save some money right away.
@ Everyone who didn’t - bummer. =( Individual results do vary. My suggestion would be to keep on trying. You might get a different response from a different rep. on a different day. There is company policy - but it does appear there is a human element to this as well. Maybe this post gave Comcast the red alert for the day.
@ Everyone who says just get rid of cable and I’m paying too much - Believe me, I have fully considered and looked into this option - but have decided against it. I would have a hard time giving up live sports and no matter what setup I have online, I would fall short there. This post was about limiting your cost - doing away with the privilege is an entirely different conversation. Also, just to make clear, my total bill included a mid tier cable package, high speed internet, DVR, and the wireless router.
@ Buying your own wireless Router - Good suggestion. I had looked into this option as well and want to point out that Comcast is going to upgrading their system and you need a certain type of router to be able to work with the signal. Do your research on this one before going out and buying a wireless router - you don’t want to get one that will be obsolete in a short time. I ultimately decided to wait until the upgrade before purchasing a new router. If you’ve researched this and know exactly what routers are present and future compatible, please share.
GE Miller
20somethingfinance.com
December 16th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Thanks for the motivation! I just called WOW! and they just cut my bill by $18 per month, or 21%, for 12 months. I was pleasant and told them that ATT U-Verse and Comcast Triple Play were offering prices $30 less than what I’m currently paying, but that I’d prefer to stay with them. A five minute phone call just saved me $216 over the next year. Sweet!
December 16th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
I have Time Warner and I was able to negotiate a similar deal a few months ago. I hadn’t really been paying attention to my cable bill. Charges and fees were slowly creeping up and I was paying almost $65/month for the lowest tier digital cable package! I was set on switching to Dish Network or DirecTV after comparing their plans. I called Time Warner to cancel my service. When they asked why, I explained to them the deal I could get with satellite. The agent offered to lower my bill to $42/month and give me a new cable box with a DVR. Upgrade/win!
December 16th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Tried with Dish network tonight and they were only able to cut my bill by $5. I ended up dropping HBO so overall I saved $21. Didn’t want to give anything up, but won’t be watching HBO until some shows return in the summer. Oh well, guess I’ll have to try again soon…
December 16th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
i dont want to burst your bubble,but comcast has offer for $29.99 for cable for a year about $32 after taxes,i got it with free hbo.the internet was $19.99 was for a year now dropped to 6 months,but the standard offer is $99 internet,phone and cable tv and $200 gift card,the comcast box is too slow i have it disconected,as the tv works faster with out it,an aerial would give you free tv,ooma would give you free phone,at&t has internet for $10 its slow and you need a phone line,it costs $7 extra for hdtv box,you get free 2 aadapters for crt tvs,still slow,