Last winter, Kris and I refinanced our mortgage. Interest rates had dropped, and it seemed like a good idea to make the leap. Though it took us a couple of months to actually pull the trigger, we finally ended up cutting the interest rate on our loan from 6.25% to 4.96%. According to sites like ShopRate and HSH.com, mortgage rates are still low, with loans available in the low- to mid- four percent range.
While doing research for Chapter 10 of Your Money: The Missing Manual (”House and Home”) over the past couple of weeks, I’ve looked up a lot of info about refinancing mortgages. Ultimately, I had to cut most of this material (replacing it with a single paragraph).
Rather than let what I learned go to waste, I thought I’d share the basics here at GRS. Much of this came from Tim Manni of HSH.com. (Manni is the author of HSH’s daily blog which concentrates on the latest developments in the mortgage and housing markets.)
Manni says that the obvious reason people refinance is to save money. They want to lower their interest rates. That said, people do refinance for other reasons, including:
- Changing mortgage types (from an adjustable rate to fixed rate, for example)
- Consolidating debt (which isn’t always the best move)
- Tapping home equity (while avoiding a second mortgage)
Manni says that the old rule-of-thumb was to refinance when mortgage rates had dropped 2% below your current loan. “But waiting around for mortgage rates to drop two percent can wind up costing you time and money in the long run,” says Manni. “For some homeowners, refinancing to a new interest rate as little as half a percentage point less than your current rate could be enough for substantial savings.”
How can you tell if refinancing makes sense for your situation? Easy. Crunch the numbers. HSH.com and U.S. News & World Report have a refinance calculator, for example, that lets you calculate your change in payment, and shows you how long it will take to recover any costs associated with refinancing your mortgage. (There are dozens of other refinance calculators out there that will provide the same basic info.)
Manni says that it’s important to understand the costs involved in refinancing your mortgage. “The more it costs you to get your new loan, the longer it will take to recoup those costs. It’s important to have your refinance work to your advantage.”
Closing costs for a refinance are about the same as for a normal mortgage, or can even be higher if you don’t have much home equity. If your goal is refinance to a lower interest rate, HSH.com’s Vice President Keith Gumbinger says, “It’s generally best to refinance when the savings from your lowered mortgage rate will allow you to recoup the price of closing costs in 24 months or less.”
When Kris and I refinanced in March, for example, we calculated that making the scheduled payments, we’d repay the closing costs in less than a year. (But because we paid more than the scheduled amount, the closing costs have long since been recovered.)
As with all mortgages, be sure to read the paperwork if you refinance. I know it seems insane to read 100+ pages of legalese, but if you don’t read what you’re signing, you have nobody to blame but yourself if something goes wrong.
I’m curious: How many homeowners out there have refinanced this past year? Have you considered it? Why did you choose (or not choose) to refinance your mortgage? Do you think you might refinance soon? And how many people are worried about a possible rise in interest rates?
For a more in-depth look at refinancing, check out the HSH.com article “Refinance: Is It Right for You?” You also can see different lenders’ lowest mortgage rates or request mortgage quotes from reputable lenders at this site.
This article is about Choices, House and Home Tuesday, 29th December 2009 (by J.D. Roth)


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December 29th, 2009 at 5:30 am
We refinanced last January. The main reason that we did it was to lower our monthly payment. My husband works for Wachovia (now Wells Fargo) and there were serious questions at the time about if he would still have a job in 3 months. We already had a 15 year mortgage that we had been paying on for a number of years. We refinanced to another 15 year mortgage at a lower rate and took $350 off our payment. Our plan was (and still is) to continue to pay the mortgage at the old amount so that we would not end up paying for it any longer than if we had not refinanced (we have less than 8 years left at this rate). However, should something happen to DH’s job then we have some flexibility in our budget (the mortgage is our only debt).
We end up saving a couple of thousand dollars in the long run with the refinancing but I am not sure that would have been enough on it’s own to get us to refinance at the time. The big thing for us was the breathing room if we needed it. I work part time but I could cover the new mortgage on my salary alone if need be. Couldn’t do that on the old mortgage.
December 29th, 2009 at 5:56 am
We refinanced back in January. We had a first mortgage @ 6.375 and a small ($13K) mortgage @ 7.174. We refinanced both into a 15 year @ 4.875%. If I remember correctly, our payback was about 13 months, so we are almost there. Our payment actually went up a bit, because we went from a 30-year situation to a 15-year, but obviously we are paying it back far more quickly now. We had actually planned to make extra payments, but with the economy the way it has been, decided to just save the money instead. We are still making great progress with the principal amount, and we have a good cushion in the bank for anything that might happen. I never thought we would have a mortgage at less than 5%!
December 29th, 2009 at 6:02 am
..”be sure to read the paperwork if you refinance. I know it seems insane to read 100+ pages of legalese”.. It does seem insane! Especially due to the nature of such contracts, and how they are formalized. It can be a pain in the a.. to go through such an amount. But I highly agree. In these days when people have realized that financial institutions are businesses operating to make profit, just as any other company out there, it seems reasonable to pay close attention to, whatever you sign.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:03 am
We refinanced in March of this year. We went from 6% to 4.7% and we went from a 30 year term to a 25 year term (we were 4 years into the 30 year term, so we trimmed an extra year) and we also had to pay down or mortgage by a few thousand to get to 70% LTV so we reduced our principal amount too.
Like Sheila, we had planned to put the savings back into the mortgage and pay it down more quickly, but that didn’t happen. We plan, in 2010, to pay an extra $100 a month in prepayment for a total of $1200 for the year.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:05 am
We’ve been in our house for a little over a year. We bought a big old 110-year-old Victorian house that is in good shape, but needed a couple of big-ticket items–windows, siding, insulation. When we bought the place, our loan had to be a jumbo, which meant the rate was high–7.5% for a 30 year fixed. A year later, the threshold for jumbo loans was a lot higher, and President Obama’s mortgage assistance legislation became available to us, so we were able to knock the rate down to 5.125%. It winds up saving us nearly 25% on our payment (which includes PMI and escrowed taxes). We’ll use the extra money to pay for our windows, siding, and other improvements, which we’re tackling one at a time. The upshot, though, is that our house is more affordable, we’re making improvements that increase our equity and that give us tax credits for energy efficiency, and all in all, it’s been pretty good.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:23 am
We refinanced a few weeks back in December. We went from a 15 year at 5.625% to a 30-year at 4.375%. The main reason we refinanced was to give us “breathing room” in case either my wife or I lost our job due to this economy. The payment was reduced by over $800 per month, but obviously, extending the loan out for an additional 15 years. We plan to continue paying the 15-year mortgage payment on the new 30-year mortgage, and having run the numbers, the interest savings over the life of the loan is greater than $20k and we would still pay it off in the same time frame (15 years). But, at least in the case of job loss or some other emergency we could always pay the actual 30-year mortgage payment, which would keep over $800 in our pockets each month. We did the payback period to calculate closing costs, and at a little less than 3-years, it made sense for our situation.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:34 am
We’ve had a 5.375% 30 year mtg for several years now and haven’t felt that the rates have dropped enough to warrant a refi.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:55 am
We refinanced in October. It was only one year since we purchased the house with a 30 year, 5.875% mortgage, with 5% down. I hate paying PMI, so we’ve paid aggressively, and had to replace the furnace (expected) and roof (not expected). When we refinanced, the value of our home increased 6%. Just our PMI was reduced $50 per month. That means more money going towards the principle. That savings in itself will pay for the refinance within 2 years. We should have the PMI removed within a year and half. I was kicking myself for locking in the rate a week to early though.
However, I think most of the tradition advice about refinancing is bogus. Generally, they say if you payment goes down by $100, it’s a good idea. But with that logic, someone who has paid on a 30 year mortgage for 20 years, should take out another 30 year mortgage. I looked at the amount we would save in interest and PMI. I was looking to increase the amount we pay towards principle. Our payments dropped by over $100, so can now pay more per month towards principle without changing our payment, plus, there is some breathing room if something goes wrong.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:01 am
I didn’t refi but did buy in the last year lured in by low interest rates and the 8k tax credit.
With many people now owing more on their homes than the house is worth, refinancing makes sense for many who will be staying in their homes for some time.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:13 am
We just refinanced from a 30-year fixed at 6.5 to a 15-year fixed at 4.4%. Closing costs were $800. We had 22 years left on the original loan. I got it figured out that if we pay $200/month extra on the new loan, it will be paid off in 11 years - half the time as the original loan. Sweet.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:23 am
We refinanced our mortgage in May. Went from 5.31% 7 yr rate with 3 yrs remaining to 5 yrs at 3.75%. We will end up saving about $4,700 over the remaining 3 yr term - that is $6,600 in interest saving minus $1,900 penalty for breaking the previous mortgage. We left our payments as they were and reduced the amortization period to 6.5 yrs
December 29th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Most people only think about their monthly payment, which is a great way to stay in debt forever.
There are two big problems with refinancing, that most people ignore.
1. It costs thousands of dollars, even if the costs are rolled into the new loan (which they usually are). Most people don’t care, but this is a major problem because it amounts to a large amount of money compared to the interest that they actually pay off.
2. People usually get a new 30 year loan. This means, that they never pay off their mortgage. In order to improve our situation, we need to pay it off sooner than we would have had we not refinanced. So, this usually means switching from a 30 year to a 15 year mortgage.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:33 am
We were 2 years into our 30 year mortgage, paid it down an extra $30k, and then switched to a 4.875% 15 year (from 6.125%). It is an extra $140 a month. The 15 year is under $100k in interest, the original mortgage was $350k in interest.
For $140 * 180 payments = $25k + $30k in prepaid interest = $55k, we saved over $200k (we had already paid over $30k in interest those first two years, so I can’t use the original $350k of interest).
We’ve since paid it down some more, so we have 11 years and $50k of interest left. I think we’re going to start diverting some of that to savings now though.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:35 am
My wife and I refinanced to a lower interest rate and shorter term on our primary residence two times now. We started with a 6.875% 30yr loan, then to a 5.95% 20yr loan (0 closing costs), then finally to a 4.99% 15 yr loan (again, 0 closing costs) in 2005. Although our payments increased slightly, this was offset by my increased income.
I considered refinancing the remainder of my primary residence, along with the remainder of an investment property (6.375% x 25 more years + PMI), into a 10 or 15 year mortgage on my primary residence this year, but the closing costs, combined with the risk of increasing the principle on our primary residence made it less appealing.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:46 am
I have not refinanced. We have a 20 year mortgage at 5.75 with over 13 years left. We are settled, with no plans to move–I have a job with tenure, my wife is self-employed locally. The mortgage would be for about 40% of the value of the house. We don’t want to increase our payments, kids are heading toward college, but we manage what we have now fine. I have looked at refinancing and can’t decide. I would love some input.
I can get a 15 for 4.25. The plan would be to roll the closing costs into the mortgage, don’t want to give up the cash. The new mortgage would be lower payment a bit over $100/month. If I continued to pay the same amount as before I would net out about $6k in interest over the 12 years it would take to pay off the mortgage under this scenario.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:55 am
We have a 30 yr mortgage at 6.25 and a piggyback loan at 7.5. I thought we would be good candidates to refinance, but I called our primary lender, and they said that they piggyback loan made it very difficult to refinance. I would like more information from those of you who refinanced with a 2nd mortgage and how you accomplished that. They basically told us that it would take forever to get permission from the second lender, and that it was likely that they would deny the refinance. I would love to get a lower rate, but we are unsure of our future in the house (i.e. we might want to move in as little as three years), and I would hate to go through all the hassle only to break even.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:58 am
We looked into a refinance a few months ago (we are 5 years into a 30 year term at 5.625%), mostly to lower our interest rate, but decided against it because we likely wouldn’t recoup the costs of the refi before we plan to move in ~2 years. We decided the money we would have spent on a refinance would serve us better going into our designated account for our next down payment (we’re likely to get little to no equity from our current place to roll over into our next house).
December 29th, 2009 at 8:10 am
We decided not to refinance after I crunched the numbers. Our current mortgage is a 30-year note at 5.875%, but we pay extra principal every month so that it is functionally a 15-year note. We’ve had the loan for four years. We considered refinancing to a 4.5% 15-year note. I really expected the refinance to be the way to go, but it turned out we’re better off sticking with our current mortgage. The new mortgage would lower our monthly payment, but when you add on the four years of extra principal and interest payments plus the closing costs, it cost slightly more to refinance. I even took into account the interest we would earn by socking away the difference between our current payment and the new payment in a high-yield checking account or short-term bond fund. It’s not the result I was expecting, but I’m confident we’ve made the right choice. Crunching the numbers yourself really makes a difference.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:13 am
We refinanced this year because we were in an interest-only loan and we wanted to switch to a traditional loan and we wanted to lower our interest rate. We’ll repay our closing costs in about a year, and now we’re paying a nice amount of principal every month.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:14 am
We refinanced last February. We recouped the cost of the refi by August, and are “saving” approx. $500 a month ( we got a lower rate and are no longer a “jumbo”). We have, however, continued making the same payments as before to our mortgage, and the extra $500 a month goes to the principal. We haven’t missed the money, as we were used to spending it and now are simply paying down the mortgage faster. We also have the benefit of breathing room if there is a job loss, sickness or lifestyle change. I recommend refi’ing if the numbers “crunch” properly.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:15 am
We didn’t refinance this past year, but that’s only because we’d gotten a screaming deal the year before that on our refinance. (4.625% 15yr with no closing costs and no appraisal.) My rule of thumb is to refi if I can get 1% better with low or no costs.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:18 am
JD - would love to see some information around loan modifications as an alternative to a refinance. It seems like the cheaper, less involved way to go!
December 29th, 2009 at 8:22 am
We closed on our home in June of 2007 at 6.25% with 5% down. Hated to think about closing costs, etc. in just two years but realized that we’d save quite a bit by refinancing and at the lower rates. We refinanced in May at 4.75%. Our PMI has gone down 64% and we continue to make extra payments towards the principal. We are now looking at HELOC to use as an extra emergency fund. Luckily the location we moved to and house we bought has appreciated each year.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:24 am
We wanted to refinance, but disappointingly with all the costs associated with refinancing, we would save no money.
We have 20 years left on a 30 year loan, so have essentially been paying mostly interest. We could have refinanced from 6 to 5%, got all the paperwork prepared for it. Suprisingly, even with “0″ closing costs, our monthly payment remained unchanged (maybe 5 dollars less a month). Because our mortgage balance is low (right now balance 60K) even the loan agent we spoke to said there was really no benefit to refinancing versus paying more on the balance. If you are going to refinance, seems best to do that towards the beginning of the mortgage, otherwise the benefits are diminishing.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:29 am
After owning our home for 2+ years, we refinanced last spring. We went from a 6.5% rate to a 5.5% rate (30 years), BUT the refinance didn’t cost us anything. (Oddly the 15 year offered was also 5.5%… we’ve been trying to wrap our heads around that one.)
Wells Fargo has a loyalty program where they add a point to the going rate but don’t charge any fees, and they do all the work for you, all you have to do is sign a huge book full of forms (which does take a while when you read what you’re signing). Yes, we could have gotten a much lower rate doing a regular refinance, but that would have cost us time and effort and we’d probably still be sitting at 6.5% interest if we’d done that because we’re lazy. Having just come off reading the Paradox of Choice we decided to satisfice rather than be paralyzed doing nothing.
They even paid for a home appraisal which we then took to the local property office to get our property taxes lowered.
We did make sure to pay the extra payment for the month that didn’t get paid while the mortgage was going through– otherwise our loan would have been bigger by a month’s payment… turning interest owed into principle, which is not cool.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:30 am
I know this isn’t on topic but…
Woohoo! Your book is available for pre-order on Amazon. Congrats!
…and I can’t help but notice the apparently strong affinity between your book and office supplies.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:31 am
But what about the closing costs? I have a 5.875% 30-yr (24 years left). I can get a 15-yr now @ 4.5% but the closing costs are insane. Over $6k for a $150k mortgage. I don’t even know how to calculate the payback on that when my monthly cost goes up but the loan ends 9 years earlier.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Just started the refi yesterday. Locked in at 4.75, down from 6.25%. Plan to keep paying the same payment on our new 15 year loan, which should have us paid off in less than 10. WooHoo! Closing costs around $3000. I figure we’ll save $18K, so why leave $15K on the table - no brainer.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:39 am
I have not yet, however BoA keeps sending me letters offering to get me out of my 30 year (26 remaining) to a 15 year + 2 points. The new rate is 1.8% lower then I’m currently paying but incurs closing costs that would essentially take 33 months to break even at, while paying the minimum each month.
I’m still torn.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
On reading through your entire contract…
I work with a fellow who bought a condo (years ago) in Canada and when he went to sell it this year, ended up having to pay a hefty fine for early settlement on his loan.
Of course, he never read the whole contract and was furious. He even went so far as to contact the better business bureau and, get this, the embasy (who kindly told him to call someone else)!
It was almost embarrassing listening to him talk about how everyone was out to get him and the lengths he was willing to go to punish others for his own mistake.
Penalties for early settlement of a mortgage are pretty typical, aren’t they?
December 29th, 2009 at 8:51 am
We tried to refinance twice, but were not approved. The first time was with the bank that holds our mortgage and HELOC. Even though our monthly bill would drop by $100-200 a month (and the term would be cut down to 15 years), and they were all gung-ho at first, they suddenly changed their tune and started generating all sorts of obstacles. The one they nailed us on was that they dropped the valuation of our house well below market value, then claimed we couldn’t qualify for PMI on the $5000 our loan would be beyond 80% of the value. They volunteered to give us the refi for just our mortgage, but without folding the HELOC into it, we couldn’t afford the higher payment. We really got the feeling they were TRYING to sink the refi, and later we read an article about how banks don’t like to refi their own HELOCs bc they make so much more on interest. OK, so our mistake in going to the same bank–a mistake that lost us the $350 in fees we’d paid to lock in the low refi rate.
A month or two later, we approached a small local bank that was willing to let us know first if we’d qualify before we’d have to pay any lock fees. Wouldn’t you know, we didn’t qualify this time because “Too many inquiries into credit status” was on our report. At least this time we didn’t lose money to find out that we wouldn’t get the loan.
We are hoping to be able to refi this year, as our current mortgage is in the mid-6% range. Hopefully, the amount we’ve knocked down the balances in the past year is enough to qualify without needing PMI.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Also, are there lenders that are “good” or “bad”? When I do an internet search for the best rates on a typical day, the lowest rates are through banks I’ve never heard of. Is there a way to check out the banks? Or are they all fine? What if one chooses a bank that then goes under?
December 29th, 2009 at 8:57 am
I would say that if I were a betting man, I think interest rates will stay the same or go even lower in the months to come.
Might make sense for a lot of us out there to take a look at refinancing
December 29th, 2009 at 9:02 am
We refinanced early last year–spurred in part by your posts about the process, JD. We consolidated an interest-only 5/1 ARM and an interest-only 2nd into a straightforward 30-year with no PMI.
In retrospect, I realize the 5/1 ARM was a decision based on my prior experience with a mortgage–where I initially bought with a standard 30-year but refinanced once to drop PMI and then again to do some remodeling. All that in the space of 6 years. So the ARM seemed to only be logical, since we anticipated the need for similar work/remodeling on the current house.
However, I was nervous about the financial situation, and in particular, about things that might happen with my husband’s self-employed business. As it turned out, it was good that we refi’d when we did, since we were able to do it on the basis of my 12-year employment history and salary. And about three months later, I was unexpectedly laid off.
Like lots of other folks have mentioned, the breathing room of a set payment (and a slightly lower payment) was at first a nice comfort-level thing–and has since become a lifesaver.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:24 am
@32 Suzanne
I can only speak from our experience. We got our original mortgage from a small local company, who promptly sold it to Wells Fargo. Working with Wells Fargo has been really easy ever since we switched. They bill us each month, there’s a nice form on the bill to specify exactly where any extra payment goes (escrow vs. principle vs. future payments vs. penalty payments).
The refinance was pretty easy after some initial bumps… everybody and their brother tried to refinance the first time we did and they still had kinks in their system (their appraisals for TX were based on national numbers and too low and they had no way to let us pay down the principle to get to the 80% number… so we were denied for something well under 1K), so after a few months the refinance restarted with profuse apologies from them and all the previous problems fixed (more accurate appraisal numbers, a way to pay extra to make the loan go through which we didn’t need to do with the new appraisal). The second time went like clockwork and left us feeling really good about Wells Fargo for mortgages.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:28 am
I think too many people just look at the monthly payment going down and base their decision totally on that. Sure, it’s great to increase your monthly cash flow, but you’ve got to think about things like:
1) continually extending your payoff by refinancing. Replacing a 30 year loan you’ve had for 5 years with another 30 year just keeps you in debt longer.
2) rolling closing costs into the mortgage. It’s nice to not bring cash to the table on a refi, but do you really want to pay interest on that money for 15/30 years? There’s a reason these have become popular for mortgage brokers to push.
3) calculating your “payoff period”. I think the average ownership period for a home is around 6 years. I wonder if people really consider if they’ll be ahead on the loan before they decide to move.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:29 am
We were thinking of refinancing but decided that the costs of the refi would negate the savings.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:31 am
My parents just refinanced their house. They got a 15-year loan at 4%. I’m not sure what they were paying before, but it seems like a pretty low interest rate all the same. They were coming from a 30-year loan that they got in 1996, so it actually makes the total time to pay off the house slightly shorter. It seems to have been a good decision for them.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:42 am
I got a 5/1 ARM @ 4.5% initial rate 6 years ago. When they sent me my first adjustment last year, my rate stayed at 4.5% thanks to low interest rates. My payment actually went up 1 cent. The 1-year LIBOR is now 1/2 of what it was last year (just above 52-wk lows), so I’m currently planning to let my mortage adjust again for at least another year. But I’m keeping an eye on it.
I don’t suggest this strategy for everyone, but I can afford to play the game, since I have the strategic reserves to refi (potentially to another ARM) when it becomes advantageous to do so (or disadvantageous not to).
December 29th, 2009 at 10:11 am
MrP and I considered refinancing our 30 year fixed rate mortgage last winter/spring. It wasn’t worth it to refi for another 30 years. Refinancing to a 15-year mortgage was borderline. We decided instead to keep our existing mortgage and pay on a 15-year schedule, which left us financial flexibility in the event of an emergency.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:25 am
What experience have people had with appraisals coming in too low? I’ve had a few friends that forked out the $600 for an appraisal only to find that it grossly undershot what they wanted to refinance.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am
We looked into refinancing a few months ago but our banker told us we weren’t able to b/c part of our loan was through FHA. I don’t think this was mentioned anywhere else so I thought I’d better throw it out there for people to be aware of.
It’s somewhat disappointing to know it’s not even an option but probably for the best since we’re only 2+ years into a 30 yr fixed at 6.2%. Plus, like someone else mentioned, we have a ‘piggy back’ loan that would make it really hard (financially) to justify doing.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:36 am
There’s a math mistake in your article: “(But because we paid more than the scheduled amount, the closing costs have long since been recovered.)”
This doesn’t sound like an apples to apples comparison to me. You probably didn’t come out way ahead because you made extra or over-payments. You recover your closing costs via the difference in interest and the difference in your payment. That is, your payments are lower, so you pocket the difference and your interest is lower so a bit more of each payment goes to principal.
If the calculation is that you’re repaid in a year (because of the pocketed amount and the reduction in principal), putting extra on the loan doesn’t make much difference (just the amount of interest on the extra that you won’t have to pay now). It just transfers money from your pocket to your principal. You’re still repaid in about a year.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:40 am
We primarily refinanced too get out of an ARM into a fixed rate at a much lower rate (8% to 5.5%). After doing some research we also did it through a FHA 203(k) in order to do some renovations. Looking back in hindsite, the initial refinance was easy but the extra paperwork for the 203(k) renovations was a real bear. Contractors baulked at the idea of giving our bank their financial info. Getting the contractors and projects approved by the bank took very long. The bank we refinanced with sold our mortgage right in the middle of renovations which held up payments to contractors. Getting the final renovation disperment checks also took almost 2 months after the renovations were finished and inspected. Most of the issues were with the banks and not the 203(k) program itself. But just like JD always says “Nobody cares more about your money than you do!”. Find a bank to help you through the 203(k) program and make sure they are there for you and not going to sell it the first chance they get before renovations are done and contractors are paid.
Looking back, we would probably do it again but would get the renovation and bank schedules closer together so we don’t have projects waiting on checks coming from bank offices across the country. Our new bank is Bank of America, which is another whole can of worms….But, for 3 months of trouble, we went from a 30 year ARM to a 30 year fixed rate, at a much lower rate; got $30,000 of renovations done (new kitchen, appliances & energy efficient windows); and are paying $200 less a month. All and all it was worth it but many lessons were learned along the way.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:46 am
@DonB (#43)
Oops. You’re right. You’re right. I was thinking crazy.
I’m just relieved this mistake doesn’t actually affect anything major in the post.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am
I looked at refinancing a while ago through the same mortgage broker I used for the loan. She sent me an estimate showing that I would only be saving 50$ a month. I checked the numbers and she had rolled my 2nd mortgage in, but then was comparing the amount to my payment for only the 1st mortgage. This was after she told me that I could not roll the 2nd mortgage in. Check the numbers yourself always!!!
I still haven’t refinanced, its tricky with the 2 mortgages (not eligible for the really good interest rates), and the assessed value is way below loan amount so I would only be eligible for certain programs (Freddie/Fannie backs my loan through Wells Fargo).
@18 ClaireTN Maybe run the numbers keeping your monthly payment the same. You’re comparing one scenerio where you are overpaying the mortgage to another scenerio where you aren’t. I would think that would show that the new loan is paid off faster than 11 years but maybe not if the closing costs are high relative to the amount left on your mortgage.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Just talked to a friend who did a refi for the mid 4% - the only problem is she is 62 and it is a 30 year loan. And we thought the days of house ATMs was over?
No mortgage here. We have no intension of paying the bank during our retirement years!
December 29th, 2009 at 11:35 am
We refinanced our mortgage in October– went from a 20 year fixed @ 6.0% to a 15 year fixed @ 4.5%. Since the cost of refinancing was relatively low and we plan to be in our condo for at least 5 more years, we figured it was worth it.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:37 am
I currently would LOVE to refinance, have a 6.25% loan. But like many I no longer have 20% equity in my house due to the real estate downturn. I’ve been living here for over six years and have made every payment on my 30 year loan.
Quite frustrating when I look at the rates out there.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:40 am
@#30:
They’re very common in Canada, since our mortgage system work s little bit different. Here, you sign up for a mortgage term of anywhere between 6 months to 10 years, with a 25, 30, 35 or 40 year amortization.
You aren’t locked into one interest rate for the entire life of your mortgage, but you can get nailed (as he did) if you try to sell before the term is up and the mortgage in non-transferable.
I’m a diplomat and those kinds of calls are freakishly common. So common, in fact, that the British government did a series of ads on what you can and can’t expect yourembassy staff to help you with. My favourite was the case where someone called for advice on how to prevent her daughter from getting a boob job.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:51 am
I looked into refinancing, but couldn’t find anyone willing to refinance a $190K mortgage on a house now valued at $160K.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Although 15 year mortgage rates tend to run a little lower, each time my husband and I purchase or refinance a home, we opt for the 30 year mortgage. The reasoning behind it is this: we pay as though we have the 15 year loan, putting extra on the principal each month. With this, if anything ever happens, such as a job loss or unexpected expenses, we can easily drop down to the 30 year payment without having to deal with the bank. Using this method gives us some extra security to deal with unforseen events.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
We refinanced down 1.75% this year, paying the approximately $2000 in closing costs out of pocket. We went from 30 year fixed to 30 year fixed. The long-term financial picture was irrelevant for us, as we have a personal situation coming up in the next year or so that will require us to free up cash flow.
Our mandatory mortgage payment was roughly halved to about $650/month; PMI wasn’t an issue. We still pay extra principle in the same amount as before; the total is just less. Our percentage of income going to mortgage went from about 22% to about 12%.
Long term, we don’t expect come out ahead (given the payoff dates we’d expected either way), but you have to get through the short term. The peace of mind was worth the few hundred dollars I figure it’ll cost. Actually, the peace of mind is worth the full cost of the refi.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I posted a long comment and THEN went back and read what everyone else has said. So now I’ve edited my long post to this: I see many of you came to the same conclusion I did after researching a refinance last summer: It is more to my advantage to keep my 30-year at 5.625 and pay extra on principal (essentially making 15-year payments) than it would be to refinance balance + closing costs to a higher 15-year payment. The flexibility of being able to drop back to the regular payment amount if needed is definitely a plus.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
We are in the middle of a refi. We are not saving much on interest but we have some issues which will be helped by removing my husband’s name from the house; our mortgage broker found a deal whereby the bank pays all closing costs. (Actually pays them, as opposed to financing them.)
I don’t expect we’ll save any money but if it helps keep the irs from breathing down my neck it’s more than worth it.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Can anyone recommend a bank that pays closing costs on a refi?
December 29th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
I just finished refinancing. Went from a 30-year at 5.75% to a 30-year at 4.625% and put some cash in. Net effect is that my monthly mortgage payment will drop by a third ($500), which will give me a lot more breathing room. If I decide to throw that amount at principal, the loan will be paid off in about 15 years. Sweet.
Something I have not seen mentioned is that some closing costs can be reduced or eliminated by staying with the same lender. For example, you may not need to pay for a new appraisal. But of course, your current lender may not be offering the best rates. So it’s important to look at the whole package.
Somebody above asked about selecting a lender. I found that the ones offering the best rates online were often virtual companies that had a lot of complaints against them (bogus fees, lost paperwork, delayed closings, etc.). I decided to go with a local credit union. Great rates and excellent customer service. Closed without any problems about a month from my first inquiry. But even among credit unions, shop around because closing costs vary dramatically.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
@46 Christine: Thanks for the suggestion! I ran the numbers that way too. Because we owe so little on the mortgage (less than 60k), there was no way to come out ahead with a refi. At best it was a wash.
I agree with the poster (sorry I’ve forgotten which!) who pointed out that refinancing makes most sense early in a loan. There comes a point when your balance is low enough that you aren’t paying much in interest in raw dollars anyway.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
I considered refinancing if we could get our 5.5% 30 year loan down to 4.75% but in the end decided against it because we aren’t certain we’ll stay in the house for much more than 2 years and we didn’t want to restart the 30 year clock (although it would only have added a year since we refinanced a first time in Feb 2008 after initially moving 5 months earlier.
December 29th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I just did a “rate renew” with my lender, ING Direct. I already had a 7/1 ARM (30 year) and they offered to give me a new rate and extend the 7-year fixed term without extending the 30 year date and also isn’t refinancing the principal (I’ve only been here 1.5 years, so I don’t have a lot of equity anyway).
I dropped 1.75 points in my rate (5.875 - 4.125), and stabilized the fixed-rate period another 1.5 years. I will save $150 a month and still pay the same principal I would have on the previous schedule/rate.
The fee: 1 month’s mortgage. I will make up this fee of the 1 month of mortgage within 6 months.
The catch: I cannot sell, refinance, or otherwise pay off the loan within a year without paying a 3% penalty.
December 29th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
We refinanced not all that long after we bought our house last year. We paid the closing costs rather than rolling them into the loan. Didn’t go for a 15 year because I didn’t want to get stuck in case something happened with my husband’s job. We are on track, however, to pay it off in 8 years.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
@Jane16 If you have a second or a HELOC and want to refi, be prepared for surprises. We have a modest HELOC with Chase and when we made the initial refi inquiry with the primary lender (MetLife) we were told Chase’s “subordination” on the HELOC/2nd would be just a formality. In the middle of the process Chase held up their subord for three weeks with no word, then proceeded to hold us for ransom by declaring they wouldn’t sign off unless we “requested” in writing that they reduce our HELOC line by 60%. We initially balked at this, then countered with a document permitting the same thing but with wording reflecting that THEY were responsible for the reduction. They didn’t care for that, and their rep actually threatened to decline the subord altogether. We eventually closed on the refi but now some (no, not some, ALL) of the extra $$ we were going to throw at the first mortgage will go to pay off the balance on that HELOC, at which time we can be done with Chase for the balance of our lifetimes.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I’m not a home owner yet, but I’ve been doing a lot of research on mortgage rates and credit scores. I think you need to add that right now, many lenders are requiring an excellent credit score which is 760 by today’s standards. I’m only bringing this up because the more homework I do on obtaining an initial mortgage for myself, the more I am learning about what lenders are looking for credit wise. Hope this is helpful!
December 29th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
JD,
I’m a math nerd, and your error about “we recouped the costs sooner by prepaying” stood out like a sore thumb to me. I was just itching, dying in fact, to point it out, but I was almost sure someone would have beaten me to the punch, and of course, #43 DonB did.
The reason it stood out to me was because I recently looked at refinancing. I specifically decided against it simply because we’re prepaying so aggressively that the closing costs become too high. In a reverse logic sort of way, prepaying actually extends out your time to recoup the refinance/closing costs because after each extra payment you’re lowering the amount of principal on which the interest is charged–less principal means less benefit from a lower interest rate.
Try explaining that to the bank rep over the phone though. Crickets chirping.
Good post, though, JD. And some great comments too, from very insightful people. It always drives me batty when I hear other people brag about refinancing and “saving” X hundred dollars per month, completely ignoring the fact that they just reamortized for an additional 10 years or so.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
We refinanced in November. We had an ARM and changed to a 15 year fixed. Our rate when down slightly, but we just wanted to get rid of the ARM. We compared the costs and we were able to go for the 15 year which will make us pay much less in the long run.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
We just refinanced. We have been making extra payments for a long time and only have about 8-9 years to go at our current rate. We chose to refinance for a few reasons, but the primary one was a hedge against any future financial problems (primarily job loss). We refinanced to a 30 year, 7/1 ARM starting at 4.00%. That is going to cut our minimum monthly payment by about $400. We plan to keep paying at our current level, but if there should be some reason we can’t, we would be able to drop down to a much lower payment.
The closing costs were about $1200. We won’t necessarily be lowing our payment, but we plan to stay in the house and we’ll save much more than that in interest over the loan. By the time the rate adjusts in 7 years, we’ll have less than $15,000 in principal left so the rate won’t really matter that much since there will be so little interest left.
The whole thing was very smooth and easy. Although I will say we were borrowing less than 35% of the value of the house and we both have credit scores above 800, so I think we were exactly the kind of customer they like.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
@58 ClaireTN & @46 Christine: Refinacing can still make sense late in the loan. Even if there isn’t much interest left in total, if the rate drops enough and the closing costs aren’t too high, you will still save more in total interest payments than your closing costs. If you drop the rate and keep making the same monthly payment even more of your payment goes to principal so you get done faster, saving total interest paid.
Obviously, you do save more earlier in the loan, but in the current market it is harder to get approved when your equity in the property might not be as high as you would like.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Our current 30 year is 5.75. We looked at a refi but considering we pay several thousand additional to the principal each year it just didn’t make sense. If all goes according to plan our 30 year will be paid off in a total of 12 years. This will save us roughly $135,000 in interest.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
I refi-ed a 30 yr 6.375% loan, 5% down to a 15 yr 4.875% loan in March. I’d been in the house 3 years and had paid ahead to the 8 year point.
I was frustrated with how little of my mortgage payment went to principal, calculated that I could get rid of PMI, make a bigger dent on my principal and save ~$40K in interest without my payments changing if I refinanced. I could then start beefing up my emergency fund with the money that I had been throwing at the principal.
The closing cost were larger than I expected (<4K on a sub-100K refi) and subsequent layoffs at work made me second guess my decision to take a 15 instead of a 30 (thankfully I was spared). Having worked so hard to pay down the loan, I really didn’t want to extend it and I wasn’t sure I’d have the discipline to pay at the old level though it would have been nice to have that buffer…
I’ve never paid as much attention to my finances as I did this year, hopefully I’ve taken enough precautions with my emergency fund to make sure the bank doesn’t end up taking my equity if the worst should happen. Ideally, I’d like to pay off the house in the next 10 years but I have to be cautious about not losing too much liquidity by paying ahead on the house.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
We bought our first house in April 2008 with a 30-yr mortgage at a rate of 6.25%, then refinanced to a 30-yr with 4.875% in May of this year. The closing costs were $1500. It cut the cost of interest per month by several hundred dollars.
Another important thing we did was go with a non-escrow account instead of the escrow account we used to have. I like this much better because I’m in control of when and how my money gets distributed, instead of the bank. I don’t like someone else - Especially a bank - Handling my tax and insurance affairs for me. Plus I can have the funds in an account generating interest for me, rather than my money working for the lender. But the more important thing is that it lowered our monthly payments by several hundred dollars more. Even though we will still have to pay the taxes and insurance at some point, it’s nice not to HAVE to pay the amount every single month, especially since I’m not so sure how stable my job is right now.
So between the lower rate and going non-escrow, we lowered our payments over $700/month from where we were. Our escrow account is fully funded, so this frees up our monthly cashflow considerably with no worries. We have no regrets and are very pleased.
As a final note, I did run the numbers on an Excel spreadsheet to compare the OVERALL interest, including the closing costs to refinance. It was a no-brainer for us to refinance. I realized after reading my initial response that it seemed like I was only focusing on monthly payments, but that is definitely not the case.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Refinance? Just don’t over finance, please, whatever you do… just because you can afford it today doesn’t mean you’ll be able to tomorrow when rates change.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:02 am
I have to agree with some of the others here…just this week I looked into refinancing our home loan because of an offer we had received from our mortgage company.
After talking to a rep from the mortgage co., I talked to my husband and we decided to pass. Here’s why:
1) I refuse to go back to a 30-year loan. My husband is almost 54 so for obvious reasons a 30-year loan is ridiculous.
2) We were looking at a 20-year loan, but we already have a payment plan set up through Equity Accelerator so that our mortgage will be paid off in 20 years (and we will probably be in the house for another 15 years).
3) The monthly payment would be reduced by less than $100 a month even though the interest rate would have been 1 and 1/4 less than what we have now.
4) Being self-employed, whenever we refinance we have to jump through hoops not imagined by those who simply have to provide a couple years’ W-2’s! The thought of having to go through that all over again after just refinancing 3 years ago just gave me that “oh, please, not again!” feeling.
5) Most people do not really think about the $7000 to $8000 closing costs that are edadd to the loan - I do! You’re borrowing more money! I hate that.
6) Finally, the hassle factor confined with the fact that the only benefit would be possibly paying a lot less interest over the life of the loan was not enough incentive. We can always pay extra over time to reduce principal and pay less interest.
December 30th, 2009 at 2:09 am
During housing boom some loan officers would explain the break even option when considering a re finance.
For example…
Current Loan is 200,000, 30 year fixed with 25 years to go and payment of $1400 a month. Refinance option lowers payment $200 to $1200 a month. 30 year fixed with $6000 closing costs.
The simple break even explanation is to take $6000 closing costs divided by the monthly savings of $200 and come up with 30 months as the break even time period. When home prices were rising, this worked ok.
But now with home prices stable at best and likely headed downward, the failure in this breakeven is more important to recognize. This new loan does not truly break even at 30 months. It is important to note that the loan is extended 5 more years and that needs to be factored into an analysis.
One way to make a comparison..
1) old loan of $200,000 is 25 years of payments of $1400.
2) New loan paymnent is $1200 for 30 years. But calculate making extra principle payment of $200 extra and then by using a mortgage calculator you can determine how long this loan would take to be paid off
December 30th, 2009 at 3:43 am
Lizabeeth at 56, Wells Fargo was doing a no closing costs refi option for a while. I actually have a Wells Fargo mortgage, but found out that regulations vary by state and in my state (MA), they could not offer it. My friends in CA and NY were able to take advantage of it though.
With closing costs, my analysis came out similar to LJ’s on 54 with a 2 year payback.
What I learned was that it also depends on how much you’ve payed down on your current loan. I looked more at the % of my monthly payment going to interest and what it would be after 2 years of extra payments. It’s not how most people calculate things, but the number is important to me.
In the beginning of a 30 year, 82% of your mortgage payment is going to interest. If you’re 1/2 way through your loan balance, then it drops to 43%. It’s not til year 29 when only 6% of your payment goes to interest.
December 30th, 2009 at 4:50 am
I refinanced last April, going from 5.5% to 4.5%. The only reason was to save a bit of money in the long run. I kept my automatic payments the same to pay it off sooner.
One weird issue I ran into—it wasn’t until closing that the bank notified me that they would be charging me higher-than-normal closing costs because….my remaining mortgage balance was under $100K! (My house is not worth much) 85.5K to be exact. I felt burned–obviously, this was just to make them a buck, not because my loan was high risk (the lower balance actually makes me lower risk). I went ahead with the refi because it was still a good deal, but I was annoyed.
Since April ‘09 I’ve also prepaid $19K on my mortgage. With CD rates being so low, the 4.5% guaranteed return on my money was hard to turn down, and I’d already maxed out my 403b and have a large emergency fund. Also, my goal is to have my house paid off before my kids start college in a few years, so I thought, why not get a head start on that?
December 30th, 2009 at 6:18 am
@Rob #62
Thanks. We’re actually with Chase for our primary mortgage. I haven’t had problems with them, but I imagine they are all difficult. When I told them we had Citibank for our second mortgage, they said they thought Citibank would be a problem and that they would sit on the application for months on end. I think we’ll just attempt to prepay the piggy back. I think in the long run that will benefit us more than a refi. Once that’s paid off, our monthly payment will already be $200 lower.
December 30th, 2009 at 9:03 am
We refinanced a second home in September. Had the property for two years on a 30 year 6.38 fixed rate. Were paying off early, but still decided to refinance to a 5.0% 15-year plan. No appraisal, but $1500 in closing costs which we paid and did not finance into the loan. Our monthly payment went up $95, but we are cutting off at least 13 years of payment–and that’s if we don’t continue to prepay.
December 30th, 2009 at 9:03 am
I refinanced in October, from a 30-year loan at 6.75% to a 15-year at 4.65%. I had been prepaying, so the monthly principal and interest payment dropped by a lot (over 40%), and even if I quit prepaying (which I will at least until I get the closing costs back) the loan will be paid off before I reach retirement age, which would not have been the case with the original. Also, I’m now more confident that, if I wanted to, I could rent the house out for enough to cover the payments on it.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
We are currently on an FHA loan at 5.75%. We bought a forclosure that needed some work. We are about a year into the place now and wondering what our options are. We have done some clean up work to the property, but it still needs new windows, new roof, and some other stuff as well. I was wondering if anyone knows much about the 203k renovation loans. Since we are paying PMI (or wahtever it is under FHA) I was wondering if it is easier to go with a refi to a traditional 30 yr. Any help?
December 30th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
We refinanced a few weeks ago. We also had 2 loans. One at 6.5% the other at 8.25% both adjustable. After about a year of trying 10-11 banks we decided to give up combining the two loans into one and putting the money we saved up toward the small 8.25% loan and refinance the large 6.5% @ 4.875. The subordination didn’t take too long after we put the large payment down on the small loan. We are going to continue paying our normal monthly payment but focus on paying the small loan off in the next year and then we will just have the one! Hurray!
December 30th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
We refinanced earlier in the year to take advantage of the drop in interest rates. We were able to drop about 1.5% in interest, saving us a few hundred dollars a month. Like you, we recoup the closing costs in under a year.
We were fortunate to be able to wait for the right time since we were already in a 30-year fixed and didn’t have the pressure of having to jump in order to get out of an ARM.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Mike,
From what my agent told me, 203k FHA loans require you to hire a contractor to do the renovation work. It’s part of the financing. You don’t really get much investment out of the loan.
Also, PMI is something you’ll have to pay if you don’t have 20% down payment on the purchase price, whether the loan is conventional or fha. The only way for you to get out of that would be to build 20% equity in the house and be at least 5 years into the loan. Your other option would be to refinance the house if you had the 20% equity but didn’t want to wait until the 5 year mark.
December 30th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
I bought a new house back in May and paid a hefty penalty to close my previous mortgage. It was worth it since my rate was reduced by over 2%. Here in Canada, I would say it’s still worthwhile to refinance and lock in your rate since the Bank of Canada said they will not raise rates until at least June. Come that point rates could increase just as fast as they decreased.
December 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
We are closing on a refi next week, we are going from a variable 4.5 to a fixed 5.1 ( no orig) but closing costs are 2 grand. We know interest rates will go up in the future but why be in a hurry to pay off a low interest loan (tax deductible) when new money will be very expensive in the future? I say, keep the mortgage and pay cash for other goods and throw away the credit cards.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
We refinanced in early 2009 after trying to do so for 6 months.
Due to a mistake on our credit report (which happened a mere month before we went to closing) we ended up with a higher interest rate than we were quoted. About .375% higher, but enough that it made a big difference in our budget.
We refinanced for 5% which was 1.375% lower than our original rate. Well worth it IMO.
It probably would have been better if we had just postponed or cancelled the closing than the time, effort, and money we spent on refinancing but at the time I just didn’t think that far ahead.
December 31st, 2009 at 12:27 am
I looked at refinancing this year but decided against it. I would have saved 1.5% on the rate and I did the math that showed I would save a couple hundred a month.
HOWEVER, when I looked at the total cost of the loans (i.e. principal + interest). The new loan would have cost more in total interest paid. We are 4 years into a 15 year loan and refinancing for another 15 years just didn’t make sense from Total cost perspective. Had I needed the reduction in current monthly cost it would have been useful, but my learning is that reduction in monthly cost doesn’t mean total savings
January 1st, 2010 at 7:24 pm
We started the re-fi process December 21, 2008 - we finally closed on April 1, 2009. It was a huge PITA as we had to re-submit paperwork twice, since our re-fi was stuck in the giant cluge of WaMu during the takeover by Chase. But, since we were re-fing with the same bank, our out-of-pocket costs were lower than competitors, we dropped our rate 1.125%, and we’ve already recouped the costs. Since we don’t plan on moving for many years, re-fi made sense for us…and if our pay-ahead plan proceeds as scheduled, we’ll be mortgage free in 8 years!
January 4th, 2010 at 11:40 am
@Jane
I closed on a refi w/ a primary & piggyback just a couple weeks ago. Two things, however:
1) Only did a refi on the primary - when I crunched the numbers, consolidating the two loans would require PMI (original loan format was 80/10/10) and due to the loan amt, the PMI was substantial.
2) Both my primary loan & piggyback were held by the same lender (SunTrust), and I refinanced with the same lender.
I did shop around, and other lenders considered the piggyback to be a show stopper because it can be troublesome/lengthy process to resubordinate the second loan. Of the local banks in my area, only Wells Fargo seemed confident and had successful experiences resubordinating the second loan with SunTrust.
Consider whether or not your home will appraise. Mine didn’t quite make it to the 80% threshold, so I ended up qualifying through the Obama program to do the refinance. This should have resulted in extra closing costs of 0.5% I believe, but my lender took the hit for me.
If you’re worried about the appraisal, talk to your real estate agent that sold you the home, and ask them for comparable sales in your neighborhood. I knew, before shelling out $400 for the appraisal, that I would be cutting it close. Make sure you factor in seller concessions, because the appraiser will!
The other thing is to try to find out how long it will take to resubordinate the second loan, ask lenders if they’ve been successful with your lender etc. Since I stayed with the same lender, I think they were able to rush this process. My estimated closing date that Wells Fargo provided me was 60 days out, vs SunTrust’s 35, which in reality it took 42 days. The problem with the closing being so far out is the rate lock can expire (I had a 45 day rate lock, def cut it close!). You can pay extra to extend the rate lock, but be aware of that when doing your number crunching.
All the GFEs I received tried to roll something into the loan amount, either part of the closing costs, or the interest due until the closing date. I preferred to pay all of those costs upfront, but if you don’t tell whomever you’re talking to, they tend to roll some of those costs in, which makes it difficult to compare different lenders.
Dropped my 30 yr fixed rate by 1.375, and I was only one year in, so extending the total duration of my loan wasn’t an issue. To keep my closing costs down, I went for a 0 point rate of 5.125. My payments are lowered by approx $270/month. My total at settlement was $5.6k, of which $3.7k were settlement charges and the rest was interest until my closing date.
Hope this helps!
January 4th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
i refinanced after being in my house less than a year. the interest rates dropped about 1%. my mortgage payment is almost $100 less/month than before.
it made sense for me because i planned on being in the house for the foreseeable future, and i had just had to take a pay cut at work. so the mortgage drop equaled about the change in my take home pay. plus if my pay ever goes back up, i will get a double pay raise total.
January 4th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
I refinanced in 2009 and I’m happy I did. I had an adjustable rate loan that was due to reset in a year or so. I refinanced to a fixed rate loan with a low rate of 4.875%. Now, I don’t have to worry about the rate being reset and my monthly payment increasing.
January 8th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Being a mortgage lender I receive inquiries about refinancing all the time. I am glad you posted this information for people to read because too often I get people who have that “rates are low” so they should refinance. Rates being low is not the reason to refinance. Each person’s situation is different including their time frame for owning the home, their current mortgage loan and overall financial goals. Make sure you work with a lender who is going to make sure that is actually makes sense to refinance. They should assist you in running the numbers so you know how much you will save each month, the cost to refinance (either at closing or rolled into your new mortgage) and determine the point in the future in which you will break even from the monthly savings compared to the closing costs. If that time frame is likely earlier than the date you think you would sell the home, then it will probably make sense to refinance. If not, then don’t let your emotions get the best of you and refinance just because “rates are low”.