This article is by staff writer Adam Baker. Baker is a founding member of Untemplater.com, a new multi-author blog focusing on personal finance, entrepreneurship, and life design for people in their 20’s and 30’s.
Americans have been fairly resistant to the introduction of a coin form of our dollar currency. We have them in circulation, of course: The Presidential Series and the Sacagawea gold coins are both currently being minted.
You can also occasionally bump into a Susan B. Anthony silver dollar or, if you’re really lucky, an Eisenhower Dollar. (For some reason, it seems like this rare sighting almost always occurs in small-town gas stations and grocery stores. Don’t ask me why.)
Despite several attempts to introduce a popular dollar coin, the dollar bill continues to enjoy its position as the dominant $1 currency.
Since traveling overseas, I’ve realized the story is a little different elsewhere. Both New Zealand and Australia have not only $1 coins, but $2 coins as well. And the dollar bill? Well it’s non-existent. The smallest paper note is the $5 bill.
Coins are just dying to be spent
At first, the difference seemed negligible. Who cares if it’s a coin, a paper bill, or a credit card? Ignoring exchange rates, a dollar should be spent the same regardless of material, right?
Sounds good in theory (at least in my head), but after several months of purchasing tram tickets, bottles of water, and Mrs Higgins cookies with small bills and coins, I noticed a difference. Magically, it seemed like I had a much easier time spending a handful of coins than I did a small wad of bills.
In the States, Courtney and I generally ignored change altogether. In fact, when we had something like a $3.79 charge, we’d simply record it as $4 spent to help simplify our tracking. This meant that in rare cases where we paid for a small purchase with only pocket change, we usually didn’t track it at all.
However, we found the system we’d grown accustomed to in the States was a little more expensive to operate overseas. A small handful of change could easily be six or seven bucks!
Ditching the penny once and for all
The Australian and New Zealand currencies are also void of any pennies (although the New Zealand ten-cent piece looks like a penny). Electronic payments, including credit and debit, and still processed down to the penny in most cases; however, when paying in cash, they round the transaction to the nearest $.05 (or $.10 in New Zealand).
It wasn’t until experiencing a penniless system that I realized how pointless (and annoying) the one-cent coin can be. Ironically, a 2008 New Yorker article points out that “primarily because zinc…has soared in value, producing a penny now costs about 1.7 cents.” Yikes!
You don’t have to travel across an ocean to realize that fighting to keep the penny in circulation is a losing battle. And in my opinion, the widely-popular dollar bill won’t outlast the penny very long at all.
And you know awhat? Although Courtney and I found ourselves much more willing to splurge with the increased coinage, I still favor the system from a usability standpoint. The question left to ask is:
Why are we fighting so hard to resist this change?
It seems like a logical shift. I don’t get it! Are you ready to ditch the dollar bill and the penny?
Sacagawea coin photo by flower beauty.
This article is about Odds and Ends Wednesday, 6th January 2010 (by Adam Baker)


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January 6th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
To me, the most logical choice is to print or coin whatever option is cheapest to the federal government. A penny, for example, costs more to produce than it is worth. Likewise, we should be coining money with the least expensive metals and printing with the least expensive paper and ink - supposing we are compromising strategies to combat counterfeiting - possible.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
The best way to get people to use the dollar coins is to get rid of the dollar bills. The government has never been serious about the dollar coin.
They seem to mint them in a relativity small number, so people collect them, and they keep the bills around, so people don’t need to spend them. One ends up reinforcing the other. Most people don’t see them very often, so when they do get one they hang onto it because it feels rare.
The net result is that the coins just sit around in piggy banks because people thing they aren’t worth spending. Start minting enough coins and stop minting the bills and things will change very quickly.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Ditching pennies is a good idea. They’re annoying. But change in general is annoying. It’s heavy, and makes noise if you’re carrying any reasonable amount. Why would we WANT to switch to dollar *coins*?
Other than durability, there isn’t any good reason I can think of. I would much rather carry a handful of dollar bills, than a handful of dollar coins. The bills are lighter, and quieter.
As for spending, I tend to only spend nickles and pennies. Anything larger gets deposited into a coin jar, then when full, is converted to paper money, which is either saved, or spent on something out of the ordinary.
Ditch the penny, fine. But ditching paper money, such as the dollar bill, for coins is silly from a convenience point of view.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Here in Canada we switched to dollar coins around 1985 (if I remember properly, I was 5 then), and on to two dollar coins years later. At both those times people complained how heavy everything would be, how annoying they were, etc.
Honestly, no one mentions that anymore, and it’s true that you spend them more than bills. They become like quarters, basically non-money that you don’t notice.
As for the cost argument, I think coins are cheaper than bills in the long run because they don’t tear and get damaged.
The biggest draw-back is definitely strip clubs though and probably the best reason to keep low-currency bills.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
The federal government has actually started pushing the $1 coin fairly heavily (even shipping them in large lots free of shipping charges to individuals and businesses), in order to facilitate the “phase out” of the bill. This is because a coin can stay in useful circulation for 30 years or more, while a bill’s useful lifecycle averages around 9 months (+-). Obviously, this saves funds for the government that can otherwise be spent on other frivolous pursuits. Sorry, no politics. Anyway, they just need to quit issuing the bills if they want to get rid of them, because there’s an obvious aversion to change (no pun intended).
January 6th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Lose the dollar bill and every coin except the quarter and dollar. We would have two coins. The dollar coin should have Lincoln and keep Washington on the quarter.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
I am all for ditching pennies, but I like dollar bills. Coins are much more cumbersome to carry.
-Dan Malone-
January 6th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
I’d argue that it’s exactly for the inconvenience that we should replace the dollar bill with a coin. Coins, as Brenda notes, are heavy and noisy - and thus less likely to be carried and carelessly spent.
I never start the day with change (see above re: heavy and noisy), so automatically any dollar coins I received during the day would go into my “roll it and save it” dish.
Money we don’t carry is money we don’t spend. How many crucial, essential purchases are made for less than $5?
The penny is a relic and definitely should be ditched. If the feds were to continue minting them, they should be made of recycled aluminum - as should nickels and dimes. It’s ridiculous to spend more than the face value on creating money.
I think most people have avoided the dollar coins not because they are inconvenient or because they appear rare and collectible, but because ours are nearly the same size as a quarter and thus easily confused. At least the “gold” ones are a different color, a little thicker, and have a smooth edge - but that’s probably not a sufficient difference for our ageing, unobservant, and terminally distracted population.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
The reason they don’t have dollar bills in New Zealand and Australia is because the government got rid of them, not because the people chose coins over bills. If the U.S. government wants a one dollar coin to be successful they will have to stop making dollar bills.
It is time to stop making the penny as well.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
BUY low, SELL high.
I’m betting the dollar will come back up in the future, for instance I may invest here: DRR (double short Euro).
January 6th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Couldn’t agree more.
With a little help from Google, I found that we produce about 13 billion pennies a year. First of all, why do we still need to be making pennies. Don’t we all have enough of them?
Second, that’s a lot of money being wasted.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
My husband and I are on a cash only spending basis, Dave Ramsey style. I would HATE carrying around dollar coins instead of bills. I already dislike carrying a purse, instead putting cash into my pocket if I’m wearing jeans. But to carry around a bunch of one dollar coins? I’d have to deal, as I refuse to go back to my debit card. But I’d be dragged into using dollar coins kicking and screaming.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
i am whole heartedly in favor of dumping the penny and introducing the $1 coin (and maybe $2 coin). i never have many anyways (dont carry much cash).
would be much easier to make vending machine purchases with a $1 coin (ever tried to insert a crumpled $1 bill?)
January 6th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Some Canadian cousins of mine consider the $1 and $2 coins to be “change” and let me know they didn’t need to be reimbursed when I borrowed some from them. Further, they said that when they took their “change” jar to the bank, they had over $1700 CDN!
January 6th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
I’m a Canadian citizen, permanent resident of the U.S. Canada uses also uses $1 and $2 coins. I much prefer the coin system. I also “ignore” change. It either gets tossed in the bottom of my purse or in the coin jar (vacation fund) if I used my pockets, instead of purse and that includes the $1 and $2 stuff whenever I am “back home”.
Bonus: Whenever my daughter needed a dollar or two for some fundraiser or another at school, all I had to do was reach in the bottom of my bag and grab a handful of change - and would be guaranteed to find usually at minimum around $30 of “bonus” money.
Sometimes upwards of $60 or $70.
I hadn’t even thought about getting rid of pennies - it doesn’t matter to me either way, since they usually just go to the change jar, then get rolled and cashed in anyway. When you purchase something in odd ‘cents’, does the company round up or down? Have you kept track of how much you’ve ’saved’ or ‘lost’ in this regard?
January 6th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Two things that have not been covered by other commenters: inertia (is there any need to go any deeper into this point?) and compatibility. There have to be devices that read and hold this currency: specifically vending machines and cash registers. Most vending machines (outside of the USPS ones) can’t take anything more than a quarter and cash drawers really need an extra slot for the “special” coin (or coins if we move to a $1/$2 coin system)
Personally, Im with most of the other commenters though…coins are a pain to carry and I’d rather keep the bills around.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
“A $5 bill saved is a $5 bill earned”
January 6th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Interesting. In Japan they have a 500 yen coin, which is now worth $6!
But I think paper currency will disappear and be replaced with debit cards. And these debit cards will be integrated into all kinds of things, like keychains and cell phones.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
I’m Canadian and we’ve had $1 and $2 coins since I was tween/teen. Frankly, I cannot even remember life with dollar bills. I do remember all the hemming and hawing when the government announced that it would phase out bills. And really, it doesn’t make a difference.
How likely are you to keep $5 in dollar bills in your wallet? Having $5 in paper bills is just as much a nuissance as it is in 3 or 5 coins.
Actually, since American money is all the same colour, coins will make it easy to differentiate denominations. No more accidentally paying for something with a $20 bill and getting lots of unnecessary change!
January 6th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
I was about one week into a two week stay in France before I encountered a (euro) penny or nickel — and loved it. Combine that with the fact that prices usually (always?) include tax, you end up with sensible, rounded prices rather than the all-too-common .99 nonsense. (Seriously, does that actually fool people into thinking that the price is lower than it really is?) I would gladly nix pennies.
As for dollar coins vs. bills, I lean a little bit towards coins but don’t really care much one way or the other. If it’s cheaper in the long run to use $1 coins instead of bills, great, let’s use coins. That said, I’m not a big fan of the current $1 coin design — it’s too hard to distinguish from a quarter at a glance.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
When I travel I often end up with $20 or more worth of coins in my pocket. Especially when traveling in a Euro country, where the 2 Euro coin is worth almost $3 USD.
I have tried to promote the dollar coin (buying them via the direct ship program previously mentioned) and usually I get one of two responses: Either they treat it as something special (once a person behind me in line at a store bought the coins out of the register), or they get mad at me (I have a close friend that not only refuses to take the coins as payment from me, but *every time* I have to give him money preemptively stipulates that it can’t be dollar coins.) More than once someone has fumbled with a handful of coins and dropped them under a counter or even down a sewer grate.
I have since given up on promoting the coin. If the US government wants to make people use them, the one and only way to do so is to stop printing dollar bills.
At this point they might be better off jumping right to $5 coins at the same time. It’s going to happen sooner or later (assuming they intend to keep inflation going.)
January 6th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
The reason for this seems to be the same as the reason we’ve never adopted the metric system. Logically it makes perfect sense, but there’s this “because that’s what we’ve always done” emotional attachment to it which people cannot seem to overcome.
I think we’re more likely to see changes to currency come about because of the prevalence of electronic transactions. In a generation or two people will find cash as archaic as paper checks are starting to become today.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
@16: JakeIL7
Compatibility is why all the current dollar coins are he same size and weight as the Susan B. Anthony dollar, so machines that used to take them would also take the new ones. I’ve found a lot of newer vending machines will take dollar coins, but ‘a lot’ is still maybe 30%.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
What timing! I just got back from the vending machine where I was wondering why the darn thing doesn’t take dollar coins. I am a heavy user of dollar coins, as I find them a convenient way to make sure I always have cash handy for the parking garage machines. I am always complaining that the DC coin-meter parking doesn’t take them, though the cost is $2/hour. It only takes one two-hour meeting to realize that two $1 coins are more convenient to carry than 16 quarters! I concur that the adoption problem has more to do with the limited places they are accepted and the abundance of the $1 bill than anything else.
-Dollar Bill Cheerleader
January 6th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Its not your dollars you have to worry about… its your pennies…
I dont care what anyone says, a penny is a penny… if i have to pay someone 5 cents for a 3 cent purchase, i lose out on 2 cents… you add 2 cents to everything you purchase and you start talking dollars you are losing out on…
all you people who follow this site should know a penny saved really is a penny earned…
January 6th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
There are times when I find coins much easier to use than bills. For example, my alma mater’s parking garage machines have a terrible time handling even the newest, smoothest $1 bills — I once spent seven minutes trying to exit the garage because the machine refused ever single one of the ten dollar bills I had with me. In order to avoid a repeat of that experience, I went to my bank and got rolls of quarters. The machines haven’t been a problem since.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Another interesting point is that Australia (and fairly sure NZ as well), we don’t actually have paper money, its all made out of a type of polymer. Means it lasts alot longer, better security against forgery (fancy clear panels and other features), and brighter colours ($5 = purple, $10 = blue, $20 = redish, $50 = yellow, $100 = green)
January 6th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
andyg8180: The beauty is that it cuts both ways. Over a long period of time, the times when you add 2 cents to a purchase or when a merchant adds 2 cents to your change will probably even out. In fact, you could probably adjust your purchasing habits to preferentially get those extra 2 cents of change, thus allowing you as a crafty consumer to earn many free pennies.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
I’d gladly do away with pennies AND paper dollar bills. I hate having a wad of singles because not only is it visually misleading (oh wow, a stack of money in my pocket! oh, it’s only $8 *sigh*) but they make my wallet too fat and literally a pain to sit on.
And pennies…they’re only good for saving and changing in at the bank when you run out of space to store them.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
I’m baffled by all the people saying that .25, $1, $2 are just throw away monies that they don’t account for.
I agree the penny should be phased out, but if the dollar moved to a coin I wouldn’t want to value it any less or feel like I could give it away at no cost to myself. Negotiating with Euros took a little getting used to, but that didn’t mean I didn’t pay attention to my “small value” coins.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I’m totally for ditching pennies, but I much prefer dollar bills over dollar coins. Womens clothing generally doesn’t have pockets, and reasonable sized wallets don’t hold coins so any change I get just gets thrown into the bottom of my wallet and then dumped into a container until I take the whole thing somewhere to deposit into a bank account.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
#12 Cassandra - My family is also on the Dave Ramsey kick! The one thing we could not do was carry cash. We found we actually spent more with cash, and could not figure out what we had done with our money once it was spent. We ended up going back to the debit card, and sure enough, our money lasted longer!
January 6th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
As many others have said, I am all for ditching the pennies, but I think the dollar bill still has its place.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
I read somewhere that when the half penny was taken out of circulation it was worth about what a dime is today. I think rounding is a good idea, and if it would force gas stations to stop posting prices as 9/10 of 1c I would be even happier about it. How about we get rid of the penny and nickel and list everything to the closest tenth instead of hundredth. Many stocks already trade at partial pennies, though us in the real world never see them. The same happens with sales tax: it rounds off.
A friend of mine told me a story of her mother who hated dealing with decimals, so she would enter purchases in her register to the nearest dollar. When my friend found out she panicked, but she found that after well over a decade of this practice her mom was less than $10 off. You might lose 2c on this transaction, but you’ll make it up on the next one.
30 billion pennies for 300 million people: just give me a $1 tax credit for the pennies not being made and we’ll call it even on the year.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
It’s hard to make a judgement about the money system without having tried another one.
As a Canadian I find the US bills far more annoying every time I travel south.
Bills take a lot of space in my wallet.
bills are more difficult to sort.
It’s easy to blindly grab a handful of change and find the $1 & $2 coins without looking. US Bills require visual check which means pulling out a wad of cash.
I tend to collect $1 bills which I visit the US, but coins are much easier to get rid of.
It does collect up in my coin jar much quicker and it’s a pleasant surprise when it is time to roll my coins.
When the Canadian Government introduce the $1 and $2 coins they made a clean cut. Stop producing the bills and they will be mostly gone in a month or two. Only sell the coins to banks and mandate that banks remove the bills they get from circulation.
Most vending machines are designed to allow swapping out the coin counting parts. It’s surprising how quickly they can upgrade machines when they want your money.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
regarding the dollar bill to coin: I support it for a couple reasons, one being that it will be easier for the blind. The federal government has been resistant for years to changing our dollars to make it easier for blind people to use due to the expense involved, but I don’t think they took those people into account even when they redesigned the bills. I am not usually one out shouting for civil rights, but this seems a basic thing we should take into consideration as we redesign bills and so forth. The father of a friend of mine was blind and my friend tells me he had to worry about getting taken advantage of at every transaction because all of our bills are tactilely identical. A dollar coin is a step in the right direction for that.
And btw, if we remove the penny and nickel and replace them with a $1 and $2, it is the same number of types of coins in circulation.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
andyg8180 - I’m glad someone else came out in favor of keeping the penny. Penny-pinching, lucky pennies, pennies for your thoughts, I wouldn’t mind keeping them around for the idioms alone, plus of course the truth in the idiom you cited.
Of course, it’s ridiculous that it costs more than a penny to make a penny, so I wouldn’t mind a redesign.
I’m in favor of dollar coins. I’m pretty frivilous with my dollar bills already (lotto tickets, vending machines, video game tokens and the like) so it doesn’t make much difference to me if they get caught up with the rest of the loose change.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
This debate is hilarious for a Canadian like me! I find dollar coins to be much easier to handle for vending machines, coin operated laundry, paying transit fares, parking, etc. I’ve been using coins for decades and haven’t noticed any unusual fumbling or dropping down sewer grates. (Besides, if you do drop a dollar coin, it isn’t going to blow away like a bill!)
I guess it’s what you’re used to. I’m too young to remember much about the changeover from bills to coins, but I can’t imagine going back now.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Japan has everything from 1yen up to 500yen in coin form. The first bill is 1000Yen (which is like $10). I don’t hear anyone complain about change there and that can get pretty heavy, pretty quick in a society that treasures cash over plastic.
We don’t complain in Canada, either.
really, how hard is it for you to get rid of your near useless $1 bill? You can spend a buck easy: coffee, gum, snacks.. or you can save it.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
IMO– moving to a $1 coin would increase savings in America dramatically. I typically don’t carry a lot of change in my pockets and it magically collects on the desk, my bookshelft, etc. Several times a month we gather up the change and are always suprised at how much there is.
When living overseas, I had this same habit. Over a 6 month period, I had over $100 in change on the table. America is definitely ready for a $1 coin!
January 6th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
I really thought this blog post would be about going paperless/coinless altogether and using strictly debit/credit. That’s what I do 99% of the time anyway.
I’d advocate what someone else said above and go with whatever $1 form is cheapest to produce. And ditch the friggin’ penny already, round everything to $0.05 and call it a day.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
You know what’s funny? I had almost this exact same thought when I moved out of the country to Israel and then came back and visited the States after my first 11 months.
The first thing I noticed was how BIG American bills are - I never noticed it before because my wallet was made in America and accomodated the bills naturally. But coming back with my Israeli made wallet - I literally cannot fit the bills ($1 or any denomination for that matter) without actually folding it in half or in quarters. Very frustrating.
But back to the coins - we also don’t have pennies here in Israel and when I started recieving pennies in change during my visits, I thought to myself - what a waste! Here in Israel, the cashiers round up to the nearest .10 and if you have change less than .5, you don’t get your change - they just give you the rounded number. Hard to get used to at first, but then it just makes life a bit easier.
So, in essence - I’m all for getting rid of the pennies, unless at the end of everyday, you empty your pockets into a spare change holder and the roll them and deposit all of them into a savings account at the end of the week/month - and then and only then, will you learn to deal with them
January 6th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
As others have said, it’s not just a couple of countries that have coins for the equivalent of a dollar; it’s many countries, I would guess that it’s most of them.
Also I strongly agree with what someone else said; this will never change in the US until the government decides it is willing to put up with the whining and just start phasing out $1 bills altogether. A few years ago I read a comment from a Mint official saying that the reason they didn’t make many $1 coins was that there was so little “consumer demand.” What does that even mean? What do they expect people to do, start complaining when they don’t get coins? It’ll never happen. They need to have some political courage and just make the decision and go all the way.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Why not drop that digit altogether? The nickel is also far into the red to manufacture (and getting more so all the time), and I think people would prefer $1.1 or $100.3 (though it would look strange for a while) than deal in the fives.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Hi All
I’m a NZ’er and like Rachel (#24) we don’t have paper notes, we have the polymer ones. They go through the wash fine and last for ages. Those who mention that coins are heavy and a pain to carry around - well here in NZ there aren’t that many people that I know of that actually carry physical money (coins or notes). Debit and credit are the way the go - there are only the occasional times that I would need physical money and this is where there is a collection for the Cancer Society, Lifesavers, work raffles etc (usually keeping coins in my desk at work for such an occasion).
I don’t see any value or need for physical money when all our shops have eftpos anyhow. As long as you can’t go over your limit there shouldn’t be an issue.
So I hope the US gets rid of their pennies & dollar notes - they are really not needed in 2010!
January 6th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
@ ElvisKungFu :
I actually find it’s a bit of both. If I have a $2 coin in my pocket, there’s a good chance it’s going for a coffee or something useless. If I make it home it goes in a jar, which when I counted last month had about $150 in it.
Like anything else money-related, it’s all about discipline. Money’s still money regardless of the shape.
Being Canadian and having lived in Japan (which others have mentioned is almost entirely cash-based and who have a much wider variety of coins), at the end of the day it doesn’t matter. People don’t like to change their habits, but you’ll get used to anything.
Personally I’m looking forward to the Iris-scan debit system.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
I live where it’s expensive to ship pennies…we don’t use them.
I don’t miss them and sort of get annoyed when I get handed a penny as change in the States (it averages out…round up, round down…pay by debit most of the time)
Even though Euro 1 and 2 cent coins are worth more than that in dollars they are equally annoying and I would not mind seeing them go away either. Even the 5 cent coin seems to accumulate in piles around my house.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
I lived in the UK for five years - they have no 1 pound notes, although they do have 1 pound coins. Nobody mentions that the pounds are heavy/etc. because, really, it’s so easy to spend them. Multiple dollar bills annoy me as much as multiple pound coins, because both are bulky.
When it comes to vending machines, coins work substantially better than bills. I never had a vending machine reject a pound coin - they reject dollar bills all the time, however, because one is a little torn/folded/not crisp enough.
The UK does have pennies but I could get behind a system that got rid of them and rounded to the nearest nickel.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
I think complaining that the penny costs more than a penny to make is a straw man argument. When minting the penny, you are worried about the utility and durability of the coin itself, not the face value. A penny is spent thousands of times over the course of it’s 30 year avg lifetime and the long life span is what is important.
Think of it this way. If we could make the penny for .9 cents, but it only lasted 5 years, would that make you happy? It shouldn’t.
Or, if the raw materials of a dime (a thinner, smaller coin) cost more than that of a penny, but less than 10 cents, is that ok? No!
Pennies could be made of aluminum or steel, like they have in the past. It may be cheaper, but if it is not less than a cent, is it a no-go?
I’m all for making the minting costs cheaper, but while banging the “A penny costs more than a penny to make” drum may get attention, the argument doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
I really don’t care either way what they do with coins. I almost exclusively use debit or credit cards. I can’t remember the last time I purchased something with cash.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
I personally love the dollar coins. The couple of years I spent living in Toronto got me used to the idea.
I love them for the same reason Adam Baker doesn’t. As an American, I don’t think of change as real money, so when I empty that pocket full of change into my jar every night, instead of saving 32 cents I was saving 7 or 8 dollars!
I almost had a heart attack when I took my jar to the bank and it had almost 300 dollars in it ;D
January 6th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Are you ready to ditch the dollar bill and the penny?
Pennies - YES
Dollar - NO
Here’s why:
As you already stated, the penny costs more to make than it’s worth. They have lost their “value” a long time ago. If I was to take a poll, I wonder what percentage of people would stop to pick up a penny on the ground vs. a nickel, dime or quarter.
I think converting the dollar bill is a bad idea because psychologically we have devalued coins. We say things like “chump change” and “keep the change” sometimes implying the amount is trivial or insignificant. Dollar coins will probably prove counter-productive to saving.
Also, carrying a few dollar bills comes in handy for smaller tips and spontaneous giving such as a couple bucks for the shampoo girl, or a few dollars for the bagger at the grocery store. Personally, I’m less likely to carry dollar coins.
Kita
January 6th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Coins of a dollar are not convenient to use. Paper dollars will be around a long time.
John DeFlumeri Jr
January 6th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
@20 carrythebanner:
“… the all-too-common .99 nonsense. (Seriously, does that actually fool people into thinking that the price is lower than it really is?)”
Yes it does. Research has shown that people only ’see’ the first one or two digits of a price. So something that is $16.99 is more appealing than something that’s $17. It gets big when you’re looking at larger purchases, there’s a reason you find houses and cars at prices like $49,950 and $199,500.
As someone who’s lived with dollar, pound and euro coins over the past 20 years I find these protests amusing. Yes, they’re heavier. But you know? You never find one shredded in the corner of your wallet. Also, you do forget about them, more than with bills, so when you finally upend your wallet and go through your change you make the happy discovery that you’ve got $20 in $2 coins.
But really it just comes down to inertia. People hate change (pardon the pun). You’ll moan about it now but in a couple of months you’ll be over it and wonder what the fuss was.
Re the rounding of prices to the nearest 5c - yeah, it’s annoying. But it all works out. If you want to be clever you can start getting $20.02 worth of petrol every time. Or, depending on the way it would round, use a debit card sometimes. I’m not anti-card so almost all my purchases are charged the exact amount.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
I have to agree that the dollar coins are not convenient. Here in Costa Rica they use tons of coinage and the biggest bill is a 10,000 colone, which is about 20 bucks now. The problem with all the change is that in all honesty it makes your pants fall down! The coins are really heavy.
January 6th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
I noticed when I traveled to Belize for this Christmas vacation that they used dollar coins rather than a bill. The lowest bill I saw was a five, everyone gave change in dollar coins. I was interested by that fact and this post reminded me of it. I agree, get rid of pennies, and I would be ok with dollars too. It would be nice to see a $2 coin if they did that though.
January 6th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
I’ve been collecting “street money” for more than a decade, and you can really tell when there’s a recession — people do pay more attention and pick up even the pennies!
One of the reasons that the US keeps minting pennies is that people won’t/don’t carry them around — if all the pennies sitting in piggy banks and under couch cushions went back into circulation there would be enough to not have to mint for a while, but since a lot of people don’t use their change, retailers always need more.
My dear husband is like that — no matter what the cost, he hands over some bills and takes the change.
I’d be fine with a canadian-like switch to $1.00 and $2.00 dollar coins — or even a real return to using $2.00 bills — I think the only place they are in use right now is at Monticello. But retailers would complain because register drawers aren’t set up to take things — even the 50cent piece disappeared because retailers weren’t joining in with the circulation of them.
January 6th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
I’m all in favor of getting rid of pennies. There’s too many out there as it is. I lean towards keeping the dollar bill because I don’t like to keep coins around. But I must admit that with dollar coins, my change jar would add up to a lot more quickly!
January 6th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Didn’t read all the comments before posting this, but I agree. The US needs to mint a $1 coin akin to the 1 pound coin in the UK, which is a small but very dense coin that gives a good feel in the palm of one’s hand.
January 6th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
DO NOT DO AWAY WITH DOLLAR BILLS!! I manage a bank and run a teller drawer too and HATE HATE HATE the stupid dollar coins and $2 bills! They are the worst. I like the idea of getting rid of pennies though. They are pretty pointless. Can you imagine all the frugal people freaking out about rounding up from 6 cents to 10 cents though? lol
January 6th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
I was going to make the same point NZChick made - here in N.Z. there’s a much greater reliance on EFTPOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eftpos) primarily using debit, but sometimes credit cards, even for routine, minor transactions at small stores. Indeed, even vending machines and parking meters are starting to use text messaging systems where you dial a number and money is deducted from your phone account.
N.Z. is small, though, and these things can be tried without too much hassle here. The most recent change happened a few years ago when rather large, heavy coins were withdrawn from circulation and replaced with smaller, lighter versions.
January 6th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
I wouldn’t miss the penny, but I prefer the dollar bill for reasons covered above. One reason I’ve disliked the dollar coins is because they are too small and can easily be confused for quarters. I think they need to be as large as half dollars - which come to think of it, have never seemed very popular either. But their scarcity makes you take notice of them; you won’t mistake one for a quarter.
January 6th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Cash in general is inconvenient. Not sure why people use it regularly.
January 6th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
The customers at small town convinence stores spending strange currency are often strapped for cash and spend their “collectible” coins– i.e., somebody bought them as a gift.
January 6th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Hey!
Get rid of the $1 bill … having lived in the UK for years and traveled to the EU regularly while living there (not back in the USA), I can tell you that £1 & £2 coins are great. Easy to use in vending machines (and the self-serve line at stores), easy to count (done by weight in the UK), and are no more of a hassle than having to get $19 in $1s for change!
As far as the penny, couldn’t care if it went or it stayed!
January 6th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Funny corollary:
As a Canadian who has moved to the US, I find myself always short of cash when I go to pay for things under $10. In Canada, a thick wad of bills means that I can cover a $7 purchase with the money in my wallet. In the US, I end up looking foolish when I just have a useless pile of dollar bills.
It makes me feel like I’m living in an absurd version of the past, like I’m forced to carry colonial scrip to buy a pack of gum. Down with the paper dollar!
January 6th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Good article… I don’t see why we shouldn’t get rid of the dollar. I lived in the UK still when we abolished the one pound note and replaced it with the pound coin. Didn’t notice one single difference in spending it.
One thing I did notice, which may be better suited to this blog, is that it was MUCH EASIER TO SAVE one pound coins in my coin jar, because I didn’t want a pocket of change at the end of the day!
Perhaps Obama should think about abolishing the $1 note and just have coins, at least that way we might be able to save up enough money to cover our taxes we’ll have to pay back to cover all his outrageous spending right now!
Food for thought!
January 6th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
When visited Europe I also enjoyed using coins when I would otherwise use bills for purchases in the US.
And I disagree with the argument that coins are more cumbersome than bills… I’d much rather have 10 quarter-size $1 coins in my pocket than 10 5 year old wrinkly scraggly $1 bills that are hard to even fit neatly in your wallet.
-Matt
January 6th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
I just went through a completely absurd operation in Monterey, CA–I had to put my bills in a change machine to get dollar coins to put into a machine right next to it in order to get my little ticket for the parking lot. I can’t imagine what the point would be.
I used to live in Germany back before the Euro–everything up to DM 5 was a coin (well, IIRC there were a few 5-mark bills floating around, but they were rare and teeny). If I was buying a few items, I’d do the math while standing in line at the checkout and pay so I didn’t wind up with pockets full of coins (and the ones I did get were the ones I needed for the laundromat). Can’t do that here because they tack on the sales tax at the register so you don’t know what it’s going to be until it’s rung up (unless you can figure 8 1/4 percent in your head), so my purse always gets weighed down with pennies and nickels when I do cash transactions.
January 6th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Every month I get 200 one dollar bills to spread out for my monthly misc. cash budget (done by the week). I would hate to think about lugging 200 one dollar coins out of the bank every month and they would be cumbersome to store. Right now I file my cash away in weekly divisions. Also, the penny is great for me! I never spend change and each week and half I have a new roll of pennies to deposit into my savings account. That is fifty more cents than I had before!
January 6th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
One of the greatest parts to being in OZ and NZ was not dealing with pennies. I loved the rounding factor and the difference was unnoticeable. I really wish the US would rid itself of pennies.
Good article Adam
David Damron
Lifeexcursion
January 6th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
That would completely change the atmosphere and costumes of gentlemen and ladies clubs. I guess they could put a wishing well on the stage.
January 6th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
A dollar coin would be great. I lived in Great Britain for awhile, and didn’t have any trouble with the Pound coin. For one thing, it’s much better in a vending machine than a bill.
It would also be useful for all of our different bills to be different colors. But let’s face it, Americans are stubbornly parochial when it comes to such changes. Somehow, people think it’s “un-American” for bills to be red or blue or to phase out the dollar bill. The only way to get rid of dollar bills is to take them out of circulation entirely, and when that happens listen for the cries of consternation and dismay!
January 6th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
More coins…. yuck. But, since we’re going plastic anyway, why not add another coin.
January 6th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
You’re kidding? You still have a one cent coin in the US? We ditched ours nearly 20 years ago!!! We round everything up or down to the nearest 5c if you pay cash, but not EFTPOS. I have the impression (which could be wrong) that in Australia we rely less on Credit Cards and more on Debit cards (money coming straight out of the bank) than in the US. I did a calculation once that if I paid for everything to be rounded down in cash, and everything rounded up by card, I’d probably only save $3 in a year!
I personally disagree that $1 and $2 coins are easier to spend than notes, mainly because they are gold, whereas 5c, 10c, 20c, 50c are silver. I find a $5 easier to spend than a $2, maybe because it is the smallest denomination of notes and therefore the equivalent of a silver coin?
January 6th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
I guess because the dollar isnt worth a dollar anymore that it would make sense to be done with it and that of the penny. i for one dont have a problem using pennies or a dollar. still remember when i could actually buy a slice of pizza for a dollar. maybe if it werent for inflation the penny and 1 dollar would still have relevance. i guess since our money is fiat given money supply must continue to expand in order to finance intrest debt interest payments on the debt by which it is issued.
January 6th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Another Canadian here who thinks the loonie and toonie are great. I usually remember to go into my coin purse to pay for small purchases, but sometimes I forget, then open up the purse to find I’ve got $12 or more in there. Found money!
And as someone else mentioned above, if I have a bunch of bills (nicely colour-coded) in my wallet, I have a good idea of what I can afford. I’m actually less likely to spend coins, and this means I put a conscious brake on the spending of bills.
I love the States, and I love Americans, but man, do I hate your one dollar bills. The one visit I ever made to Atlantic City, I decided that any stupid, bulky one dollar bills I still had in my wallet on the last day would actually be used to gamble with. I was never so happy to lose money in my entire life
January 7th, 2010 at 5:05 am
I’ve lived in Japan (via the US) for about four months now. Some people have already mentioned a few things about it, but I love their cash system compared with the US. Yeah, the coins add up really fast, but that’s also great for saving. In fact, in the four months I’ve lived here, the change jar that I started on the first week I lived here already totals around $120 (USD) last time I did a rough count (which was a while ago, honestly; it’s probably increased at least 50% since then). Not bad for something most people consider disposable.
But I’m also willing to acknowledge that the cultures are different. Many people get around by bike and public transportation in Japan. As a result of that, many people, even men (including me), carry bags to lug things around, meaning we’re stuffing change in the bags rather than in our pockets, which makes it a lot less of a hassle to carry around and use. Given that the change here is more useful in a normal persons everyday life (transportation, vending machines, ramen restaurants, etc), and we’re carrying it around in a more efficient way, it works really well for the culture.
As long as the US can increase the usefulness of larger coins in more aspects of life (and maybe also when people get over the taboo of men carrying a bag ;)), it should work well for them, too. Plus, if it’s less expensive to produce, why the hell not?
January 7th, 2010 at 5:25 am
‘I lived in the UK for five years - they have no 1 pound notes, although they do have 1 pound coins.’
Actually £1 notes are still around (albeit in greatly reduced quantities). You occasionally see them in your change when a shop cashier doesn’t like you…
I have to say that I’m mortified by all the people who say that they throw out money/count $1 coins as useless! If nothing else, can’t you bank them and earn a {very?} little interest?
January 7th, 2010 at 5:44 am
The information about the cost of producing a penny isn’t accurate anymore… Check out:
http://www.coinflation.com/
Currently, the metal value of a zinc penny is $0.0069.
On the other hand, the metal value of a nickle is more than five cents…
January 7th, 2010 at 6:42 am
I don’t care whether we have pennies or nor, or whether we have coin or paper dollar bills. Money is money. What matters is what the prices are and what the merchants accept. If something costs 1.01, I need a penny. If the soda machine only takes dollar bills or quarters, I need a dollar bill or some quarters.
January 7th, 2010 at 6:58 am
Coins are heavy, noisy and seem to spend a lot easier than paper money. I hate using dollar coins for that reason and I hope we never switch totally.
One time, someone paid my dad in all Susan B. Anthony dollars (~$30). He put them in his coat pocket and forgot about them. Later, he went to buy something and thought they were quarters and spent them all on fast food. Money that all looks and feels the same is easy to confuse and throw away needlessly.
January 7th, 2010 at 7:18 am
I think any change just takes time getting used to it.
We lived in Europe for about 5 years before the Euro was instituted. My husband was Regional Manager for the Mediterranean Region for his company, but we lived in Germany near the Dutch border. You should have seen our filing system for 15 or so types of currency (each country had their own). When the Euro was introduced, it was a huge relief for us (no more losing money in transaction fees every time you crossed a border!)But was funny to us was that so many were against the Euro! I can’t imagine that anyone would want to go back to those times.
I think it could be said that there will be a period of transition, but after everyone would learn the new system ($1-$2 coins, for ex)people would like it.
The point about the blind that someone mentioned isn’t a small one. I think that every other currency takes the blind into consideration, except the US.
January 7th, 2010 at 7:29 am
Ditch the penny and the dollar bill! Pennies are already ridiculous. I don’t use them. When I get them in change, I either dump them in the “take a penny” cup or they go home to live in my change jar until they get traded in on something useful. And dollar bills are fragile and take up too much space. I’d much rather use dollar coins that I can rely on a machine to accept the first time than a crumbly old dollar I’ll have to try and feed in five times before I get it flat enough for the scanner to read.
There is a slight adjustment to be made, though, I admit. Very slight, about two days. When I’m in the UK, my first grab is always for my wallet to pay for something with a bill. Then I get fretful because I’m running out of cash, only to go home and find £10 in my pocket from the change I’ve gotten. It’s much more fun to find £10 than it is $1.82! Pound coins are easily distinguished from all the rest from their heft, it’s very easy to use them, it just takes me a few days to remember.
And, Canadian dollar coins have clever nicknames! None of our coins have monikers. I want a loonie and a toonie! A friend of mine campaigned to call the Sacajawea dollars “sackies,” but I don’t think it caught on.
January 7th, 2010 at 7:39 am
@54 Not My Mother:
Thanks, I probably should have assumed there was an unfortunate answer to that question.
Being mathematically inclined, I always round $3.99 up to $4 in my head (to figure out tax/tip, track spending, etc.) so the one-penny-less thing always seemed trivial and petty to me. And don’t get me started on the 9/10 cent trick they use at the gas station …
January 7th, 2010 at 7:40 am
It’s amazing that some people still believe the same old myths about dollar coins. Gosh, did anyone believe in 1970 that having a 25¢ bill would be a good idea? “Wow, those quarters are so heavy, we should have a bill worth 25¢!” Sounds absurd, doesn’t it? The dollar in 2010 is worth less than a quarter from 1970, so why are we still using a bill with such little value?
Coins are more convenient and faster for small purchases. Every other industrialized country in the world has figured this out and are enjoying more convenience and saving money. Why can’t we figure this out in the US?
If we eliminated the penny and dollar bill, people would have _less_ weight in their pockets, not more. This is because people would be more likely to _spend_ their change, not hoard it.
Just get rid of the dollar bill and people will realize how convenient dollar coins are.
Paul
January 7th, 2010 at 7:47 am
Get rid of pennies, fine. But a dollar coin!?!?! Coins are annoying, heavy, awkward in a wallet and expensive. Just because other people are doing it doesn’t mean it’s smart…
January 7th, 2010 at 7:47 am
@andyg8180:
“I dont care what anyone says, a penny is a penny… if i have to pay someone 5 cents for a 3 cent purchase, i lose out on 2 cents… you add 2 cents to everything you purchase and you start talking dollars you are losing out on…”
You make a lot of 3-cent purchases, do you Andy?
Let’s get real. We’re not talking about 3-cent purchases here. We’re talking about $54.93 purchases. In this case, yes, it would round up to $54.95, and you’d pay 2 cents extra. That represents an increase of 0.04%. Are you really worried about the price of things increasing by 4 100th’s of a percent? Inflation will do that anyway in about a week (assuming 2.5% per year).
January 7th, 2010 at 7:53 am
@Hrun:
“The beauty is that it cuts both ways. Over a long period of time, the times when you add 2 cents to a purchase or when a merchant adds 2 cents to your change will probably even out.”
In theory, that’s correct. However, that assumes that the merchants will not change their prices at all.
In reality, when presented with an opportunity to increase profits, the businesses will take it. For example, any items that (after taxes) total up to an amount that would round up to the nearest nickel, they’d leave alone. Any items that would round down, however, they’d raise the price by 2 cents. Voila - now they round up, too. The customers won’t even notice, but it’s a nice little extra profit for businesses.
January 7th, 2010 at 8:00 am
I researched dollar coins for a public speaking class I took in college 10 years ago. I wish I still had that report because I remember the pros outweighed the cons by a huge margin. I would love to switch to coins because dollar bills are always so messed up they don’t work in vending machines. And that’s probably the only time I use cash. Unfortunately a decade later we’re no closer to switching.
January 7th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Please let’s get rid of pennies. Nickels are pretty much a pain as well. I’m with those advocating cost effectiveness. If the dollar bill is a better value in terms of circulation and cost to manufacture, then keep it; if not, go for the coin. In Hong Kong, they have a $5 coin, and i found it easier to deal from one pocket most of the day than switching back and forth between bills and coins for every transaction.
There are some practical reasons to go with heavier (and more expensive) coins - vending machines have trouble sorting lighter coins, tho’ that’s probably not a permanent obstacle.
I stopped scrolling thru comments after awhile… anybody mention the fact that US bills are virtually unusable by the blind? Not only would $1 coins help, but we should convert to paper (or polymer) bills that are different sizes and colors to make it easier for people of varying abilities to be able to use the money!
January 7th, 2010 at 8:36 am
@Jeff:
“I think complaining that the penny costs more than a penny to make is a straw man argument. When minting the penny, you are worried about the utility and durability of the coin itself, not the face value.”
You’re forgetting about the secondary metal market.
If the inherent value of the raw materials in a penny are worth more than the penny as a currency, then what’s to stop people from buying $50,000 worth of pennies from a bank, melting it down into its constituent raw metal components, and selling the copper to a scrap dealer for $60,000? It’d be a pretty easy way to make $10,000. For the record, copper has been getting more and more valuable in recent years.
What do you suppose might happen to the Treasury if large numbers of people started figuring out they could profit in this way?
It’s crucial that all currency have more value as currency than as raw materials.
January 7th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Get rid of nickels too!
January 7th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Thanks, Kevin for comments 88 and 89, that’s exactly what I was going to say.
January 7th, 2010 at 8:56 am
@ MaryL — I used to love American tourists for the opposite reason. Many couldn’t be bothered taking their Canadian coins home, so they would leave them as tips for us housekeepers!
@Nathan #87 “Just because other people are doing it doesn’t mean it’s smart…” I agree — sort of. Just because a lot of people are doing something doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea either.
@Chickybeth: “Money that all looks and feels the same is easy to confuse and throw away needlessly.” That comment made me smile because all American bills look alike to me. Is that why so many people in the States overspend — because their one dollar bills look and feel the same as their $100 dollar bills?
January 7th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Ditching the dollar bill would be the equivalent of stop using plastic to pay for things. Dollar bills are just more convenient to carry than coins, just like plastic is much more convenient that bills. Americans like convenience… and we’re willing to pay for it.
At least that’s my opinion….
January 7th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Dump the penny, dump the dollar bill. You have to do both at once so that cash drawers will still have enough change slots.
January 7th, 2010 at 9:13 am
A scan of the 100 or so blogs show a vastly differed opinion as to if coin or paper is preferable: certainly everyone has their personal preference. The main issue with pennies is simle: if it takes 1.7 cents to produce a 1 cent coin, a claculator is not really necessary to determine if it makes sense. Additionally, in today’s economy, the 1 cent penny is virtually valueless. What we need is for the world to follow the path of the Euro: find a way to have a universally usuable currency that can be taken from one country to another. Anyone who has done any international travel can identify with this problem…
January 7th, 2010 at 9:18 am
I love the $1 and $2 coins here in Canada, and I really wish we’d get rid of the penny as well. Nothing is as useless as a penny, it seems.
I doubt we can get rid of the penny until you guys in the States get rid of the penny. As far as I can tell, it mainly exists because of places lie WalMart that want to have the “lowest” price by setting it to $14.97 instead of $14.99 like their competitor. Lame!
Since I also tend to ignore change, the best part about $1 and $2 coins is that a handful of change usually ends up being $10+!
A few months ago, I collected all the loose change in our entire house (piles from the dresser, on the laundry, etc) and took it to a CoinStar machine and discovered it was over $100!
January 7th, 2010 at 9:24 am
No, I don’t think this will change. It’s too annoying. When I was in europe it was so annoying carrying all loose change around.