Every January since I started Get Rich Slowly, I’ve done an annual round-up of my discretionary spending. That’s not going to happen this year. The numbers are hopelessly muddled by events that created under-reporting in some categories and over-reporting in others. (Kris and I paid for our 2010 vacations in 2009, for example.)
Rather than sort things out, I want to talk about a couple of my spending habits instead. One is a worrisome trend, and one is a thing I’m doing right.
Food for thought
Long-time readers know that Kris and I love to dine out. It’s one of those things we’re willing to spend on. We cut corners in other areas of our lives so that we can afford to make this happen. Still, I’ve been concerned about my restaurant spending for the past couple of years. It seems a tad excessive.
How’d I do last year? Well, my grocery spending dropped, but my restaurant spending went up again — a lot. Here’s a look at five years of data:
- In 2005, we spent $1423.39 to dine out 100 times, for an average cost of $14.23 per meal.
- In 2006, we spent $1869.58 to dine out 108 times, for an average cost of $17.31 per meal.
- In 2007, we spent $2051.93 to dine out 84 times, for an average cost of $24.43 per meal.
- In 2008, we spent $2628.08 to dine out 77 times, for an average cost of $34.14 per meal.
- In 2009, we spent $3443.61 to dine out 69 times, for an average cost of $49.91 per meal.
Holy cats! Will you look at those numbers? We’re only dining out about half two-thirds as often as we were in 2006, but we’re spending nearly three times as much per meal. At the current rate of spending growth, we’ll be spending $300 per meal in 2015! Since I can afford our current spending — I’m not living beyond my means — the real question is: Am I getting my money’s worth? I’m not sure that I am.
If I’m honest, I have to admit that I don’t like the idea that we’re paying $50 per meal. I’d much rather return to our former habit: Dining out more often, but spending less each time. To that end, I’ve been brainstorming ways we can work to cut costs:
- We could do a better job of looking for discounts. We have an Entertainment book, and the local paper often features specials at local restaurants. We should take advantage of both of these. We used to do this, but have fallen out of the habit (primarily because we’ve become so used to eating at the same places again and again).
- We need to find more cheap places to eat. Half the fun of going out is just going out. Sure, we love the fancy restaurants, but we used to be happy with Dairy Queen. (This is lifestyle inflation in action!) The real problem is that the cheap places I know and love (Cha Cha Cha and Imperial Garden) aren’t Kris’ favorites. We need to find cheap places we both like.
- When we do eat in the same old haunts, we need to make an effort to reduce our spending. It’s okay to have an appetizer, entree, dessert, and drink all in the same meal now and then, but we could save money by cutting one or two of these from the mix each time we dine out.
- Finally, we should invite friends to our home for dinner more often. As soon as the book is done (getting close!), I’m going to make a habit of inviting one family to dine with us every couple of weeks. We used to do this a lot, but have fallen out of the habit. It’s fun and frugal to have folks over for dinner.
So, that’s one part of my financial life that still needs work. Next, let’s look at something I’m doing right.
A waning of want
Here’s something that amazes me: We’re twelve days into 2010 and I haven’t spent anything yet on personal expenses. I haven’t even felt the urge. I’ve bought gas for the Mini and groceries for home, and Kris and I went out to lunch last Friday, but I haven’t spent a dime on gadgets or books or games or toys or magazines.
“Big deal,” you might say. “That’s how it should be.” You’re right. But for me, this is a big deal. All my life, I’ve had the uncontrollable urge to buy Stuff. It used to be that I couldn’t go more than a day or two without buying something. Even while writing this blog, that’s been the case. (I’ve just learned to channel my desires into smaller, cheaper things.) Now, as last, I seem to have licked it.
I still want things — no question! — but I’ve become very good at ignoring the wants and moving on. How?
- Sometimes, I just put down the thing I want, turn off my brain, and walk away. I force myself to stop thinking about it. (Usually by thinking about something else — like our upcoming trip to Europe, and how I need to save for that instead.)
- If I still want the thing when I get home, I put it on my Amazon wish-list. For whatever reason, that’s often enough to satisfy the strange inner workings of my mind. I feel comforted knowing I’ve let myself put it on a list where I won’t forget it.
- I’m very good about using the 30-day rule to control my impulse spending. My Amazon wish-list plays a role in that, but so does my mountain of index cards. (My life wouldn’t be complete without index cards.) I have a handful of cards on my desk filled with notes about the things I want. It’s amazing how many times I sort through this stack and end up throwing cards away because I no longer want the item I’ve written down.
These techniques help me deal with desire. They don’t quell it completely — nor would I want them to — but they do keep it in check. That last rule is probably the most effective. By delaying purchases 30 days, I don’t feel like I’m denying myself. I can still buy what I want if I want it 30 days later, but I’m not just giving in to impulse spending. (When 30 days rolls around and I do still want something, it actually feels pretty good to be able to buy it.)
My current spending moratorium isn’t permanent, and I know that. In fact, the new Dick Tracy anthology comes out tomorrow, so if nothing else, I’ll be shelling over $25 for that.
Remember: there’s nothing inherently wrong with spending money on things that bring you joy. Problems arise when you finance these purchases with debt. If you’re meeting your other financial goals and have money left over, it’s good to indulge your interests and passions. Just make sure you’re getting value for the dollars you spend.
Here are the past installments in this series:
- My 2008 discretionary spending: Progress and challenges
- My 2007 discretionary spending: Highs and lows
- My 2006 discretionary spending: The good, the bad, and the ugly
How did you do on your spending goals last year? Are there areas where you wish you spent less? If so, what strategies do you use to keep yourself in check?
This article is about Budgeting, Real-Life Tuesday, 12th January 2010 (by J.D. Roth)


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January 12th, 2010 at 5:24 am
If you make it downtown Portland at about 3:30 pm on Sundays (opens at 4pm but there’s a line) you can catch Portland City Grill’s happy hour. It lasts all day, the food and prices are very good ($2-4 per item, two items is usually plenty).
Brazil Grill on 12th and Jefferson is pretty good, not exactly inexpensive ($25/person, all you can eat) but the food is good and it’s better than $50/person.
Le Bistro Montage (Cajun) under the Morrison bridge has reasonably priced entrees and is always good but doesn’t open until 6pm and is usually pretty full.
If you like Vietnamese, you can try Pho Dalat near Sandy blvd and I-205, Pho’s a great meal and usually runs about $6-7 for a big bowl of Pho Dac Biet.
I haven’t been there but I’ve heard that Screen Door (Southern) is really good, entrees range from about $10-15. 24th and E. Burnside.
Anyway, there are tons of places in Portland to get great food at reasonable prices and I believe you have my email address if you need more places (variety, lower prices, etc.) to eat. You can also use restaurant.com for discounted meals and they frequently have coupon codes for %80 off the normal discounted gift certificates.
January 12th, 2010 at 5:24 am
Yikes! $3500 on dining out, I can imaging why you’re taking a good long look at your habit.
The dining out number reminds me of an ex-girlfriend and I who went out to eat all the time. It just always seemed easier than staying at home. What advice would you have for those still in the singles world who are out going on dates? I don’t want to seem cheap on a first, second, or third date, but I also don’t want to flash around a lot of cash and break the bank trying to impress someone!
January 12th, 2010 at 5:24 am
I definitely think quality over price when it comes to food. My hubby is a chef, though so that makes a difference! I know that I enjoy going out more when it’s a nicer meal. That’s why we’ve decided to skip the little fast food and Chili’s-type restaurants and go for the nicer ones less often!
January 12th, 2010 at 5:59 am
Remember that the cost of food has also risen a lot faster than inflation in that time. Your spending may not be as different as you think.
January 12th, 2010 at 6:03 am
“Just make sure you’re getting value for the dollars you spend.”
When it comes to food, the value should be both judged by price AND whether or not the food is made using some sort of industrial waste. Or, less hyperbolically, be sure that you aren’t saving money by eating hotdogs when you go out:) IF I do get the desire to eat out, Subway’s $5 footlongs are the way to go. I can load that sucker up with tons of stuff (vegetables and such), and save half for later.
Come to think of it, I am pretty hungry right now. To the oatmeal!
January 12th, 2010 at 6:10 am
http://www.restaurant.com is a good way to save money. I don’t know how many restaurants they have near you, but the selection near Minneapolis is great. $10 gets you $25 off a $35 tab, and they ALWAYS have 70-80% off coupons. $2 for a $25 coupon is great. Don’t ever pay full price there.
January 12th, 2010 at 6:16 am
Hello J.D.
As in most cases, the single data point of price paid per meal may not tell the entire picture. Perhaps some tracking for 2010 about the details of your restaurant purchases would be insightful.
For example, cost and quantity of appetizers, drinks and desserts.
Another item to consider is the amount and percentage of the bill you pay for service (”tip”). If you’ve received exceptional service (perhaps partly as a consequence of desperation on servers’ and restaurants’ parts) that would probably lead to increased tipping.
Were there one or two big nights out at a wildly expensive place that caused the average meal cost to skyrocket?
Lastly, Mrs. Money’s comment about seeking quality over price is certainly poignant - there is a very high price for cheap food. A one dollar fast food burger is cheap in end-user’s immediate out-of-pocket dollars, but astronomically high in total cost.
Thanks for reading.
January 12th, 2010 at 6:18 am
Yes, the turning off my brain thing has done wonders! When we wander around the mall I typically see a bunch of STUFF I want, but do not need. I shut down my brain for awhile. Often times, I will forget about it by the time I get home. However, I may give that amazon wish list a try. Because some of those things you want but dont need, may make good xmas gift suggestions for other people.
Theres nothing cooler then getting a gift from someone you always never knew you wanted, or forgotten about. Cause lets face it, some of us as frugal enough not to have balls enough to buy it ourselves. lol
~ James
January 12th, 2010 at 6:18 am
Eating out is our weakness too; when I was growing up, it was about a once a year occurence for my parents to take all of us (5 kids) out to dinner.
Any chance we’ll get an end of year garden wrap up? Those are always my favorite posts!
January 12th, 2010 at 6:19 am
Regarding eating out, when my husband and I go out, we always drink water with lemon. Not only are we saving $5 (plus tax, plus tip), but it’s healthier for us. If we want dessert, I’ll make something or stop by the local bakery which is a LOT cheaper than ordering there in the restaurant. We also try to look at the portions of our order.. if we can save some for another meal, we’ve just reduced the cost per meal. We try not to eat out more than 3 times per month for health reasons, the benefit.. it costs us less too.
January 12th, 2010 at 6:26 am
I’m firmly in the “quality over quantity” camp. I enjoy eating out, but since I’m a decent cook I prefer to eat at places whose cuisine I can’t easily replicate myself, like Ethiopian food or sushi (I can’t make sushi nearly as good as my favorite haunt). As a result, the places I go to tend to be more expensive per outing. Plus, I’m very aware of the hidden costs of “cheap” food, and chain restaurants just plain depress me. Eat less, but eat better is my motto.
January 12th, 2010 at 6:31 am
Sorry to be a stickler for details, but 69/108 (0.638) is a lot closer to 2/3 than 1/2.
Also, I am almost of the opposite mindset, I’d rather eat out less often, but get a quality meal (steak, for example). My girlfriend and I typically eat out less than 4 times a month (maybe one meal in a weekend).
I was raised that dining out was an occasional treat (maybe four times a year, excluding celebrations/events), so we should enjoy the experience, but not do it so often that it becomes routine.
January 12th, 2010 at 6:38 am
Also, think about your health. Moving back to eating out more but for less per meal is fine but not if you are trading healthy food for fast food. Think about the associated healthcare and other costs by doing so.
January 12th, 2010 at 6:42 am
I agree with 2.Deadala, prices have risen up.
However, what might work is ordering say one soup and one meal. Typically, portions in restaurants are way oversized, so your stomach is full and you spend less. Priceless is the effect on the level of intimacy between you and your partner after switching meals.
January 12th, 2010 at 6:50 am
We’re right there with you on the eating out situation. For us, eating out IS our entertainment many times, and we really enjoy a great meal out either as a family or just the two of us.
I’ve never thought of analyzing our expenditures in this area the way that you have here, but I have all of the information to do so. It sounds like a fun (but scary) exercise!
January 12th, 2010 at 6:53 am
My husband and I like to save money when going out to eat by using Restaurant.com gift certificates. The idea is that you spend, for example, $10 on a gift certificate worth $25, saving you about $15. They are available for most major cities, at both local and chain restaurants, and are a great way to save a few dollars while still enjoying a nice meal out. You just have to watch out for the restrictions, such as spending minimums or exclusions on weekends. They also have sales sometimes on the website when you can get the certificates for even cheaper.
January 12th, 2010 at 7:03 am
We usually average about $130 for our restaurant meals plus $50 for babysitting (unless my Mom is visiting).
That said, we rarely eat out.
January 12th, 2010 at 7:03 am
Great idea Andrea - to which I’ll add that local radio and tv stations often offer half price gift certificates to restaurants (and other merchants). Check their web sites and see what’s out there, you will be pleasantly surprised. We get our favorite deep dish pizza this way for 1/2 price!
January 12th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Food spending is the only real spending problem that my husband and I have. We enjoy it, but dining out shouldn’t be a hobby for us. We always thought we knew what we were spending, but we were wrong. We were spending so much more. I had vowed to keep track of our spending starting this month and going back and looking at the last couple of months was a real eye opener. I just wish I’d started earlier so we could have saved hundreds of dollars!
January 12th, 2010 at 7:13 am
I find it very difficult to control my weight if I eat out. I eat out about 4 times a year and when I do, I don’t really worry about what I am eating.
Plus, since I am really cheap, I refuse to pay for salad, soup or breakfast items at a restaurant. I can make them at home for less and they taste just as good.
January 12th, 2010 at 7:15 am
J.D., we have the same problem in my home. We’d have so much more money if we didn’t eat out. We also went out less in 2009 than previously, but our average meal went up in cost quite a bit. We spent almost $5,500 for two people to eat out 105 times.
January 12th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Budget an amount you feel comfortable about. Check on yourself after 3 months. No worry if your under. You can adjust price or number of times on the next 3 months if your over. It’s not just a selfish act. You are supporting a business you like and the people they support.
January 12th, 2010 at 7:24 am
As far as good cheap places to eat, have you tried No Fish Go Fish? Right next to the corner of SE 39th and Hawthorne (3962 Southeast Hawthorne). Their soups are amazing.
January 12th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Regarding the Tangent. I live in the Hawthorne neighborhood and love keeping a list of places I think are good values to eat.
Nicolas on Grand (share the mezza)
Riyadh’s at Hawthorne & 14th
Reel’m'Inn (dive bar on Division with cheap fried chicken)
La Sirenita taqueria on Alberta
Thai Noon on Alberta
Zack’s Shack
Por Que No
Pho (any of them, but I like Pho Van)
Clay’s BBQ on Division
That’s the cheap end of the list. I have a more expensive end of the list that I feel is good value even if they do cost more. Feel free to contact me if you want to compare notes.
January 12th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Hey J.D.
I’m really impressed at how well you’re keeping track of your expenses and comparing them to your budget. I used to think that I was good until I started reading your blog!
I was just wondering how you keep track of how many times you eat out in a given year? I could easily tell you how much I spent last year on eating out ($5,084 in 2009) but I wouldn’t be able to tell you what meals of the day they were or even how many meals that amount consisted of.
Thanks!
January 12th, 2010 at 7:32 am
Daedala is right, the cost of food rose incredibly - milk was $2/gall in 2005, and now it’s $3.50. Do you have another mouth to feed? You might be doing just fine.
BUT I am VERY impressed that you have so much data! I am going to start this - I began it w/ groceries. While he’s great at all other areas of budgeting, to him food is a necessity and thus a budget is entirely unnecessary. He doesn’t buy crackers and cookies and soda, but will go to the store w/ out a menu/meal plan. Thus I began to track it. He’ll come around, he always does, he just needs to see the data!
January 12th, 2010 at 7:34 am
JD,
I’m right there with Four Pillars (above) on this one. Ever since the little one arrived, we’ve been eating out less often. It rarely makes sense when you factor in the higher cost of the food AND the babysitter. Plus, the better half makes great meals… although sometimes she needs a break!
-Tyler
January 12th, 2010 at 7:35 am
J.D.,
First off, thanks for this phenom blog. I’ve been reading it for about a year now, and while much of the advice I already knew, there are still some great insights and some “light bulbs” that go off.
I would concur with a lot of the folks here… it’s a quality vs quantity item. If you wanted to drop your avg eating out cost, you could easily hit up the McD’s, BK, or Wendy’s one dollar menus and skew it way down… but you likely wouldn’t enjoy eating out, and would likely raise your long term medical costs as well. Nothing wrong with splurging for good food if you can afford it, and if it doesn’t become common place. But I’m a foodie, so I’m definitely slanted in my views.
If you do want to find the best value for you money, I’d recommend checking out the website “Yelp”. Users review services/restaurants and can create lists to share with the community. Typically, for larger cities, the users will put up lists of either cheap eats that are worth the bang for your buck, or even specials on each day! In Chicago, people have created lists for specials of each day (e.g. Monday night specials results include low priced wings, a French prix fixe 3 course for $30 that’s BYOB, etc.) Excellent resource for finding good restaurant experiences, but also specific price ranges for those experiences.
January 12th, 2010 at 7:43 am
JD
Have you considered setting a monthly budget for dining out? You’ve mentioned in the past that you generally don’t like to do “line item” budgeting, but perhaps this is one area where you can make an exception. If you have a set amount to spend every month, you are more likely to want to get your money’s worth when you do go out. And if you spend your entire budget before the end of the month, you have extra incentive to invite friend over instead of going out. Also, by limiting what you spend now, you have more to spend dining out on your vacations.
Just a thought …
JS
January 12th, 2010 at 7:51 am
Interesting analysis, J.D.!
We’ve decided to go in the opposite direction as you….eat out less often, though at better(more expensive) places. I find I don’t mind spending $100-$150 for a nice dinner out but spending $40-$50 for poorly prepared packaged food from one of the big box restaurants makes me crazy. We had to feed my daughter and a friend in between soccer practices last weekend (no time to get home) and ended up at a chain restaurant eating bad/soggy BLTs and anemic salads…total after tip: $48. Ugh.
January 12th, 2010 at 7:58 am
I’m curious — is hosting people at home really that much cheaper? I’ve found that as a single person, even making a dish for a potluck can cost as much (or more!) as I would spend in a restaurant (I order water, skip appetizers, take half my meal home, and split a dessert with someone or order a mini). It’s expensive for me to host other families and couples at my place, so I don’t do it very often!
I’ve learned that while it seems like a splurge to eat out with my friends, it can be a cost-effective form of entertainment
Anyone else find this?
January 12th, 2010 at 7:59 am
You dined out only 69 times in 2009? Where do you find the discipline? That’s only once in every 5 days - not even one lunch and one dinner out a week! I truly don’t know how to get my spending on food so low. My grocery budget alone is $300 per month (including all toiletries, makeup, cleaning products, etc.). I spend an additional $250 just on restaurants, drinks, etc. And that’s for one person.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:00 am
I’d rather pay $70 for a good steak dinner than go to a fast food joint 6-8 times.
I consider myself a foodie, and I can cook better than most chain establishment. So, when I go out, I also order things I can’t/don’t make. Dim sum and sushi are two examples where it takes lots of expertise and labor to make it great.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:00 am
JD, I think you have the eating out thing all wrong.
My wife and I were in a similar situation and this is what we have done…
We eat out less often but we go to really great restaurants when we do.
No fast food, No cheap buffets, its junk anyway. We do order the occasional pizza but we don’t count that.
We don’t eat out for convenience.
We go out for dinner, breakfast, or lunch because we want to try an awesome new place, go to a really nice restaurant, or visit an old favorite.
You will get your moneys worth this way for sure. Better food and better experience.
We often use the dinners as date nights and get all dressed up as well. My wife really likes that.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:07 am
Given that you’re spending money you can afford to spend I think you’re doing fine from a *financial* perspective. But going back to how much something costs in terms of *your* time, you might re-evaluate the amount of joy or pleasure you get from these excursions. If you get a lot more pleasure from the nice restaurants, I don’t see why you have to start eating at cheap restaurants. If the main value you derive from these outings is the time you spend together, well, there may be less expensive ways to spend the time, and you might have fun trying to research and dig them up (i.e., hunting for hidden gems, fabulous new places, places that aren’t too expensive but where you can get dressed up - OR, consider signing up for a gourmet cooking class together, etc.). As long as you’re having a great time (within your means), I’d say, cut yourself some slack.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:08 am
What Bradly said. Also, if you eat out less, it will be easier to reach your fitness and weight loss goals This is my opinion, bu frequent eating out and weight management don’t work well together. It’s doable, but much more difficult than if you eat in most of the time.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:14 am
I highly agree with inviting friends over! People always use going out for dinner as the only way to get together and with everyone’s wallets tightening people would WELCOME being invited over for a meal! Why should it cost $50-100 per couple just to spend time with friends?
I find it very interesting that you calculate how many times you went out to eat in the year to get avg. price per meal. I used to just say, holy smokes $5k a year on restaurants! I will definitely be playing with mint.com today to figure it out. Thanks for sharing!
January 12th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Try the big name chains…my wife and I eat at Chili’s, Applebees, O’Charleys, etc and with their specials we can easily keep our tab around $25-30…though we usually get water to drink:)
We also have locals that we enjoy…plus sometimes we’ll do Pizza or something quicker like Quizno’s or Penn Station.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:20 am
Looks like we have differing opinions on restaurants! I’d much rather go out 3-5 times a year and spend $75-$100 on a dinner for two than go out once a week and spend $10 on cheap food.
I love the Amazon Wish List idea, and I do it too! I’m certain that ‘fear of forgetting’ plays a major part in my wants. I think something is cool, so I want it now, so I don’t forget about something so cool later on. By putting my wants in my Amazon Wish List, I know they are there for me if I actually do want them.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:21 am
@Suzanne (#32) wrote: You dined out only 69 times in 2009? Where do you find the discipline?
See, this is part of why I didn’t do the traditional discretionary spending analysis this year. I actually think my “dining out” is being underreported. Remember how I started giving myself an adult allowance at the end of 2008? I basically take out $200 at the first of every month, and allow myself to spend on anything I want. Well, I don’t track that spending. It’s just a blanket $200 withdrawal in Quicken, and it’s not itemized.
However, I do use that money for meals. I never use it for dining out with Kris, but I do use the cash to buy lunch for myself at least once a week. So my trips to Flying Pie and Cha Cha Cha and Imperial Garden don’t always show up in Quicken because they’re absorbed by this allowance spending.
That’s why I say my numbers are muddled for 2009 and it doesn’t make sense to compare one year to the next. I’m going to try to be better at writing things down this year, even when they come out of the allowance. That should mean I can do my normal analysis next year…
January 12th, 2010 at 8:22 am
As someone who often has friends over for dinner, a word of warning - depending on what you’re making (especially if you want to make something special), it’s definitely not necessarily cheaper to cook for others in your home. On the one hand, it is typically cheaper to prepare a dish yourself, but keep in mind that you’re doubling (or more) the number of portions involved, and you may also need to purchase foods in sizes larger than those required for the dish itself (like spices, packages of herbs, etc.) — and you have to be very conscious of using those things up later! This isn’t to dissuade you - I LOVE cooking for friends and still do it often - but I don’t necessarily think of it as a “cheap” alternative to eating out. One alternative is to invite friends who will invite you back for the most part, so you’re getting a “free” meal out of it another time.
Another is to ask your invitee to bring the wine or another portion of the meal. Of course, this depends on how good a friend they are.
(I only ask for wine/salad/bread/dessert/etc. if the friend asks if they can bring something, but most of my friends do this.)
January 12th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Also, I want to point out that I don’t put much special effort into tracking how many times we eat out. All I do is go into Quicken at the end of the year and tally the number of items in the “dining out” category!
January 12th, 2010 at 8:24 am
“We need to find more cheap places to eat. Half the fun of going out is just going out.” - I disagree with this statement. To me the best part of going out is enjoying a great meal in a nice setting. My husband and I had a buy 1 get 1 free coupon for Ruby Tuesdays. I’d read in the NY Times where they were changing their menu and it was more upscale so I decided to give it a try. The food wasn’t bad - although the meat, as usual in places like this was overcooked. But the problem was it was in a mall, there were a bunch of kids (little kids w/ parents and unsupervised teens) there, the customers were the type who don’t check their coats and the service wasn’t the kind I was accustomed too. Overall I had a terrible dining experience although I was fed fairly well for cheap (less than $25).
But I’m not doing that again. The experience was just awful and the food wasn’t that good (although it probably was the best part of the evening). I’d rather pay $50-$100 for a great meal in a nice atmosphere where I’m waited on hand and foot.
Sure we eat at places like Moe’s, Chipotle, and other quick eat places, but for a good meal I’m not hitting chain restaurants. I’ll pay more for a better dining experience and I’d rather patronize my local restaurants who place an emphasis on atmosphere and service as well as good food.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:28 am
I had a slight freakout when looking at my restaurant spending at year end. Mint.com’s time-based graphs by category are really cool. Our restaurant spending was high and all over the board. Then, I viewed it as the broader category of “food & dining” and realized it was probably our most consistent category. When groceries go up, dining out goes down. Context is important, too, and groceries aren’t free, either.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:28 am
Just skimmed comments so don’t know how many have mentioned these points:
- if you drink alcohol (I do) BYOB!!!!! Learn a little about wine(Wine for Dummies was helpful to me) and find a good wine shop. If you know a little you can get drinkable stuff for $10 a bottle.
- If you go to a place with a bar, get water. Have a cocktail at home before you go out.
- Try places that don’t have servers.
_ Splurge on a special appetizer. Your taste buds are freshest at the beginning of the meal.
-restaurants.com is good.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:32 am
Hi,
Have you tried Restaurant.com? My husband and I bought some certificates on ebay before Christmas. There are several restaurants we enjoy in our area and the savings are actually significant. Ebay will help you save even more than purchasing on their website. I gave away several certificates as gifts for Christmas and folks were really pleased. Try it. Perhaps some of your favorite restaurants participate!
Cathy
January 12th, 2010 at 8:33 am
@JD - why don’t you set up a “Cash” account in Quicken, and when you take out the $200, transfer it there and then itemize your spending? I do this and usually end up with a few missing dollars here and there but overall it helps me out.
We hardly ever go places that would cost $50 a meal, our favorite places are Panera Bread, Qdoba and McAlister’s Deli. Sort of a step above fast food but usually under $20 a meal. Our budget is twice a week, or $40.
That being said, if you enjoy dining out I would guess it’s probably better to spend more for fewer meals than trying to go for quantity.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Have to say I agree with the comments regarding a different attitude toward eating out. If I can have it at home with my wife and enjoy a bottle of wine with it for the same or less than it would cost to eat out, I would rather be at home (read hamburger meal here).
When I dine out, I want an eating experience that I am not likely to do better in my own home. When I say this, I think sushi or a chef prepared meal. I would rather have this experience less often and pay the necessary price for the experience than pay $25. just to eat out.
As to putting your desires on hold to give yourself a chance to decide if they are really what you want, I have been getting better and better at this and I find this is an excellent way to reduce my ongoing expenditures for two reasons:
1. sometimes I just decide I don’t really need it.
2. often, further research points me to a better opportunity or the same opportunity at a better price and I am that much more satisfied with my decision when I finally make it.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Okay, I feel better now. : )
January 12th, 2010 at 8:48 am
We budget $100 for the month for entertainment, and that includes “going out for food” money. We have to be so careful with how we spend it - if we want to go out for a nice meal (say, $50) at the beginning of the month, we have to watch our spending for the rest of the month. It also keeps us in line. Sometimes, we buy fast food (if we’re on the road, or if my pregnancy cravings say “eat at Culver’s!”), or sometimes, we might just get a cup of coffee and split a baked good. It’s fun, and it’s a small splurge.
I do agree that half of the fun of going out….is going out. It’s nice to not have to clean up and do the prep work of making dinner, and then to just leave the dirty dishes when we’re done! I like the experience of getting ready to go out - maybe wearing a nicer outfit than usual, getting to the restaurant, people-watching, etc.
January 12th, 2010 at 8:59 am
My personal low cost favorite in SE Portland is Jade’s Teahouse and Patisserie on 13th Avenue in Sellwood. Most meals cost roughly around $10.
http://www.jadeteahouse.com/menu.html
January 12th, 2010 at 9:13 am
JD, what you say about wish lists and index cards hit home with me. I mostly don’t have any discretionary money right now, but for food issues I follow Cindy Sadler’s (The Next Hundred Pounds blog) mantra: It’s just food. There will be more. I can have some another time. This seems to also work for me with stuff I want, as well.
January 12th, 2010 at 9:16 am
We manage our discretionary spending by using an allowance system, we each have a set amount to spend (the same amount) for half the month on things like eating out, entertainement, groceries, gas, etc. Spend too much on eating out then we have nothing to spend on entertainment, etc. Most of our going out is not spent on “dining” but rather we go out on Friday, we have a couple of drinks, we listen to live music and we order a sandwich (that we split) or we each have a salad. Actual eating out is limited. We generally spend $40-$60 for both of us on a Friday night.
I’m a huge fan of the Amazon wish list or the Amazon save for later cart, I’ve got stuff in my cart from two years ago.
January 12th, 2010 at 9:17 am
we like to eat out at “nice” places — but generally there’s too much food. SO, we either take home half (and thus the cost is somewhat reduced because it becomes part of the eating in costs) OR, more likely, we split both the appetizer and the dessert.
A lot fewer comments on one of your other points — I’m really impressed that you are getting the “buy something/anthing” demon under control. I still find myself just wanting to make a purchase, any purchase, which much sound weird to those who don’t have that problem. Sometimes I just buy stamps or a candy bar that shows up as dessert after dinner, just so I can feed the “buy something” beast… I’ve been trying to replace that habit with a new one (the discard or donate or repurpose something every day habit), but so far, it’s not completely working…
January 12th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Another recommendation for restaurants.com. They often have “sales” and my husband gets $25 gift certificates for $2. There are restrictions but usually they are easy to work around. We are Portlanders and can always find what we want on there. We went to Dragonfish, had dinner, appetizers and drinks and it ended up being about $10 each. Can’t beat that!
Have fun!
January 12th, 2010 at 9:23 am
when my fiancee and i first met we were dining out 3-4 times a week and buying drinks, appetizers, meals and desserts for each of us. now we go out once a week and cook at home more often. when we do dine out, we split an appetizer, a soup and a meal. at most places you get plenty of food for two. the idea that you are saving money by brining home leftovers is a mental trap. the half of a steak and smidge of leftover potaoes cost twice what it would cost to feed two the same meal at home. we have shaved about $300-$400 per month from our restaurant bill while adding only $50.00-$100.00 to our grocery bill.
great money blog,keep up the good work!
January 12th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Your average is $49.91. Knowing that you MUST occassionally you dine out for less than that means… you are sometimes spending $60 (maybe even $70) to go out and eat? I can have a fine-dining meal for 2 at a very nice steakhouse (including appetizers and dessert) for a LOT less than $70…
I have to say that I eat out probably about 100 times in a year, but they are mostly lunches and probably average $15 for 2.
January 12th, 2010 at 9:31 am
I’ve seen restaurants.com mentioned a couple of times in the comments. Personally, I’m not a fan. It sounds great to save 80 or 90 percent on a $50 gift certificate, but to use the “gift certificate” you have to spend an additional $50 at the restaurant. And you must avoid blacked out days and times.
Have you tried Groupon? You sign up for a daily email for your city. Each email contains one great deal at 50-60% off. A lot are for things I don’t use like spa treatments, massages and workout classes, but many are for restaurants at significant savings. The “groupon” concept is if enough people sign up to buy the offer, the deal is on! Check it out.
I must admit, part of the reason I like groupon is that the writing in the daily emails is witty and clever.
January 12th, 2010 at 9:32 am
For health reasons and for the benefit of my tastebuds, I most definitely prefer to spend on quality vs. quantity when dining out! My husband and I go out to dinner about once every two months, spending between 125 - 175 each time. We bag our lunches and cook dinners at home the rest of the time. We love to cook, and if I may say so myself, my homecooking tastes way better than Applebee’s et al. And is much healthier too.
This is another great example of ”Decide what’s important to you. Give yourself permission to spend on these things. Pinch pennies on everything else”, which is by the way, a great quote to start off the year
January 12th, 2010 at 9:37 am
@ Kim — that’s my mantra too! “There will be new clothes next year.” “In a few months, electronics will be cheaper and have more options”… etc…
I don’t have an amazon wish list (not sure it works so well here in Canada), but I tend to look up potential purchases and bookmark them in a separate folder. (It’s part delay tactic, part bargain hunting scheme). Last night I went through and cleaned out the folder. There were quite a few links that made me wonder “why did I want that again?” and others that realize I got along just fine without the product!
January 12th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Want vs. Need
I loved ur tips on limiting wants.
I try to ask myself if it is a want or need.
For example I may WANT a big screen tv but I NEED to pick up food for the dog. Its helped a lot.
January 12th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Try restaurant gift certificate sites like Restaurant.com - I bought a $25 gift certificate to a local restaurant we like for only $10. Can’t use it on certain days and there’s a table minimum, but if you’re going to spend the minimum anyway, why not save $15?
January 12th, 2010 at 9:49 am
One alternative to eating out you might think about-
A number of years ago we created with some friends a “gourmet club”. Four couples participated and we took turns hosting. The host would select the theme and prepare the menu. The host would prepare the main course and other couples would be assigned to bring the salad/appetizer, side dish, or dessert. The host would usually send out several recipes to choose from as the accompanying dishes.
It was great fun to try new recipes. The cost would usually be high on the night you hosted, but other times it was relatively inexpensive so the overall cost was fairly reasonable. Everybody pitched in with cleanup.
It may be hard to find interested couples with compatible schedules, but it would be something to look into.
January 12th, 2010 at 9:52 am
I don’t have time to read this very carefully (sorry), but can you tell us if this represents the restaurant budget for BOTH of you, or if it is just your half. I sometimes get confused by your separate budgets.
I do think it is useful to separate the experience from the quality as you do. That way, you can choose quantity or quality.
January 12th, 2010 at 9:54 am
> My life wouldn’t be complete without index cards.
To take yet another tangent, JD, would you be willing to talk in more detail about how you use index cards for personal/project organization? Perhaps in another post?
I’ve dabbled a bit with 3×5 cards, but I don’t quite “get” how to fit them into my workflow productively, so it’s helpful to see how others do it. Thanks!
January 12th, 2010 at 9:55 am
I have a “Cash and Dining” category in my budget where I keep track of all my cash withdrawals as well as my dining because I too spend most of my cash on grabbing a coffee or a glass of wine with a friend or grabbing a sandwich for lunch near the office. My husband is also a chef and we eat at home a lot, but we also like to enjoy nice restaurants. We wouldn’t waste our money on chain restaurants (just not worth it to us), so when we do go out we tend to spend more. My cash and dining category is bigger than yours and doesn’t count my husband’s cash and dining…just because we haven’t completely merged our moneys yet. Sooo…I spend a lot more than you in that category. I have figured out though, that although I can cut back on this category it’s not my biggest drain. I don’t tend to go way over budget here…I tend to go over budget in my “household” category. But that’s another story. Why spend money on going out at all if you don’t like the food or atmosphere? We love fine dining, but we’re the “don’t check your coat” folks that someone said above…I have no idea what that means, but I don’t like to check my coat. It’s just annoying to me.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:00 am
Hi JD-
I live in the inner SE Portland area. To keep costs down, my boyfriend and I will go out to happy hour. As long as you have the discipline to not buy several drinks, you can usually get some pretty good food for fairly cheap. Try 3 Doors Down on 37th & Hawthorne and Dragonfish on 9th & Park downtown. Also, the Italian Joint on 31st & Hawthorne has a pretty good menu ($10-15 entrees). The Blue Pig on 50th & SE Division and Sckavones on 41st & SE Division are pretty good breakfast places.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:19 am
“We need to find more cheap places to eat. Half the fun of going out is just going out.”
I really agree with this as well, especially now that we have children. Early on in our relationship, we would go to $100+ meals, but somewhere along the way I started to realize that the food and the experience weren’t worth the cost to me. I would rather go out five or six times for the same price. I can see how someone would feel differently, but for me, like you say, it’s about getting out of the house. I can do this and spend $20 as well. We usually end up going out when I just don’t have the energy to cook and clean up.
For the planned meals (anniversaries, birthdays, etc) without kids we usually spend more on a meal but nowhere near what we used to spend. I’m happy with spending $40-$50 (for two) on a semi-good meal. That’s enough for me. Perhaps later when we have more money or are empty nesters, we might go back to fine dining.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:25 am
What a great motivation! I just received another of my own gifts to myself in the mail yesterday. I get bored and shop online, frequently buying things. Pretty much daily. Yesterday when I got the package, my frugal husband said, “Oh did somebody send us a package?” I was ashamed. “No honey,” I should have said. “I’m just self-indulgent.” Twelve days is amazing to me, and it’s great to read that the great JD still has spending urges like the rest of us.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:25 am
I try to limit my restaurant dining and don’t like going over $40-50 at an above average place for 2. Occasionally, I’ll drop more, but it’s typically for special events. I spent $85 this past Saturday and though it was a little much.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:32 am
What I love about this blog entry is that it shows the power of budgets. People think of budgets as these things that restrict their choices. No! Budgets are information reporters. You would not have known about this problem if you did not keep track of your spending, J.D..
Now you can do something about it years sooner than you would have even learned about it if you did not track spending.
Rob
January 12th, 2010 at 10:33 am
When I lived in Portland, I went to Noho’s.
2525 SE Clinton Street
It is Hawaiian and you can order your entree in different sizes.
I love the macaroni salad!
January 12th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Lauro Kitchen and Vindalho are both in SE. Each has a great happy hour. Vindalho has five dishes each for $5.00.
Lauro’s happy hour has great burgers, pizza and calamari at great prices.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:45 am
The other thing to take into account is how much has your income increased in that time? I’m sure it hasn’t increased by 240%, but it most likely has increased. When you’re at a lower income level, you sacrifice certain things you would like and would get if you had a higher income level.
When I was out of work and my wife and I were living off her income, celebrating by eating out was the dollar menu of McDonalds (fast food). Now that I’ve got a part time job, celebrating by eating out is Pita Pit or Spicy Pickle (sandwich shop). Once I get a full time job, celebrating by eating out will be Red Robin or Olive Garden (gourmet chain). And that’s about as fancy as it gets around here.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:48 am
@ TC - post #2
Don’t know if someone already suggested this, as I haven’t had a chance to read all the posts, but here’s a thought.
Preparing a meal (provided you can cook somewhat) for a date is very appealing to most women. Even if you’re a novice in the kitchen, Spaghetti is pretty easy & inexpensive. You just have to cook spaghetti, heat the contents of a jar of spaghetti sauce if you’re a novice & stash the jar out of sight, buy a bag of salad with toppings included & an bottle of dressing. A bottle of wine & a dessert from the bakery or freezer & you’ll still pay less than a fancy italian restaurant.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:51 am
JD: I’ve gotten some great restaurant deals from Groupon.com and have found new Portland restaurants in the process. The deals are usually at least 50% off, and you can sign up for other cities, too.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Last year was the first year I budgeted and tracked every penny I spent. At the end of the year, I tallied up discretionary categories, like dining out, and realized that if I had put that money toward my mortgage, I could have shaved months if not years off my payoff.
This month I’m trying an experiment with a “Didn’t Spend” envelope. Every time I resist spending money on something I don’t really need, like dining out or a glass of wine at dinner if I do dine out, I put it in the envelope. At the end of the month, I’ll put that toward my mortgage.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Try eating out for breakfast/lunch instead of dinner to save $$.
In Sellwood: Stickers, Fat Alberts (breakfast)
Woodstock: Laughing Planet, Otto’s (for lunch), Toast (for breakfast), Delta Cafe
Clinton: Broder (breakfast), NoHo (lunch or dinner), Vindalho (but more pricey)
Other: Hopworks brewpub (on Powell & 29th)
Check out WWeek’s Cheap Eats by area
Other ideas: eat a bit before you go out so not as hungry for apps/dessert, Dessert at home, eat at home and do drinks with friends or just apps w/ friends.
And don’t forget the power of Happy Hour! Meals on the cheap.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:58 am
I am wondering whether your goal of eating out just as much or more in 2010 might conflict with your goal of getting healthier and reducing your weight. I think it’s nearly impossible, especially for people (like me!) with weight “issues,” to lose weight and maintain a lower weight when eating out a lot. It’s nearly impossible to accurately track ingredients and calories when you regularly eat out, and I assure you that restaurants use a lot more butter, oil and other yummy-yet-fattening ingredients than you would at home.
January 12th, 2010 at 10:59 am
Our goal for 2010 was to stop eating out, well at least fast food. My husband and I have three teenagers. Eating out with teens is not the same as eating out with toddlers. They are like real people who want real amounts of food. AAKK! We easily spend $50-$70 a meal at a decent restaurant. And this is only ordering water (no soft drinks) we stopped that quite a while ago. We can shave $10-$15 off our bill just be eliminating drinks. So we often end up at fast food which I have begun to loathe.
My husband and I are working on the waistlines and fast food is no help. So far we have only picked up breakfast sandwiches for the kids once since Jan. 1 and this feels like a great triumph for us, considering how often we really eat out (if we are being honest).
I find what you said here interesting “Sometimes, I just put down the thing I want, turn off my brain, and walk away. I force myself to stop thinking about it.” I think it goes back to that perception vs reality thing. How much in our lives is just how we perceive it at that moment? Verses the reality, is this a need or want? Will I really use this? Why do I really want it?
Lastly, I have really found a way in my life to squelch that little shopping desire and that is using coupons. I get so much more (stuff) for the money. It is also like a little fun challenge to see how far I can get that total down.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:02 am
if you are spending more money going out and eating real food, this would be expected.
to compare eating real food out to dairy queen is misleading. this is not food.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Looking into your restaurant spending is fine I guess, but it’s not the most interesting part of this article, despite it dominating the comments. I eat out all the time, by which I mean I ate out three times yesterday, I eat out for lunch almost every day, and I eat out for dinner several times a week. I probably go out for food 500 times a year. I’m not worried about it.
The far more interesting part of this article is how you’ve been able to curb your spending on ’stuff’. There are two ways to do this, so far as I can tell, and you’ve done one of them — give yourself barriers that encourage self-control. You seem to have gotten quite good at this. The other way is to change your priorities so that all this stuff is viewed as a negative rather than a positive, so that you don’t want it in the first place. I’ve had some level of success with this approach, although I can’t really say how I did it. I honestly think a lot of it is due to removing advertising from my life as much as possible. Now, for almost all things I could possibly buy, I look at them and think “what would I need that for? Why do people buy these things?” Sure, it’s not true of everything, but it’s a lot truer than it was a few years ago.
I think this is the key to living within your means *and enjoying it*, you have to be able to stop over-spending in a way that doesn’t make you feel like you’re constantly depriving yourself. If you can do this, the rest of personal finance is easy. If you make more than you even *want* to spend, then you’re saving by default, money just accumulates in your accounts and you don’t need to worry about it.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:13 am
If you don’t mind going half a block north of E. Burnside on 28th, there’s a swell little restaurant called Tapalaya–they serve tapas-sized portions of really good New Orleans style food. It’s perfect for sharing and sampling, plus the food is consistantly delicious! http://www.tapalaya.com
January 12th, 2010 at 11:15 am
@Susan D (#81)
The problem, though, is that if I head up to that area, I’m going to want to go to Screen Door, not anywhere else.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:16 am
I understand about the eating out. My husband and I have found places that we can eat good food for relativly cheap. We like to do things like drink water, 2.25 for a coke is crazy, share dishes and desserts. We still have plenty of food and the cost is far greater. I also know all the kids eat free places and days for when I take them out to eat which helps:)
January 12th, 2010 at 11:18 am
I meant “plenty of food and the cost is less” Also, we like to go to our favorite restaurants and get take out. That way we avoid the cost of drinks and tip and we can even expand the meal by making our own salad etc.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Food recommendations: The best deal in town is the Tandoori Kitchen between 4th and 5th and SW Oak, downtown. Huge portions and amazing Indian food. Mexican lunch carts are great, I love the burritos at the cart on 35th and SE Division and on 50th and SE Division. The Lebanese place on Hawthorne and 14th is great and can be really cheap without drinks. We normally split a dish and an order of Hummus. Laughing Planet is great as is Mekong Grill in Sellwood. For sushi, the happy hour at Sushi Mazi on SE Division and 22nd is great (4:30 to 6:00) but the bill will probably still be at your average. Cheap, healthy restaurants are hard to find.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:22 am
One of my reasons for eating out isn’t on this list yet. I am a good cook, but my husband is a picky eater. Going out allows me to order things he wouldn’t eat if I made them at home. Even though I could make Salmon at home, it’s too much of a hassle to cook it just for myself.
And I totally agree that eating at home isn’t always cheaper. My favorite thai place isn’t cheap but food is fresh and portions are big. $30 of takeout is easily 4-6 meals.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:26 am
J.D., don’t feel bad. At our worst, DH and I spent nearly $800/month on dining out and ordering in. Plus $400 in groceries? For two people?? Thank goodness we got a handle on that before my layoff.
Re: cooking at home: I love this now. We have friends over pretty often and generally, for the price of one steakhouse meal for the two of us, I can feed four to six very, very well. With wine! (World Market and BevMo are my fave wine shops.)
We eat dinner out now very infrequently, and only for special occasions. But I’ve found that it does take the fun out of it if we try to be frugal. ‘Cause then you’re thinking about money, not about how much you are enjoying the meal and your dear one’s company.
One big thing I’ve noticed is that, at a steakhouse like Morton’s or Ruth’s Chris, I’m just as happy eating salad & sides, because I can make a great steak at home for a quarter of the price. I’d rather go to a French or Italian restaurant where they make food I don’t attempt at home.
Anecdote: We had dinner at Cut, Wolfgang Puck’s steakhouse in the Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel, after Christmas; the service was terrific, ambiance was nice, food was excellent; but I would have been perfectly content to skip the $36 filet mignon because the standout dish was the $14 appetizer. The steak was just a steak, but I’ll never forget that bone marrow flan.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:32 am
One of my goals last year was to cut down on eating out, funny enough. Most of our eating out was junk food, which isn’t really fun to eat, it just was fast. We did pretty well reducing our overall amount.
Our second goal for last year was to reduce our expenses in fixing up our rental house. Our friends thought we were crazy to fix certain things, but the first couple of years it made sense. Now, since home prices have gone down, we might actually be able to afford our own house. We greatly reduced the money we’re spending on repairs on our rental. (Our landlord won’t fix anything, so in the beginning, we had to do our own repairs.)
January 12th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Since my husband and I go out so little we enjoy it more and spend a little more. We love restaurant.com and have given many as gifts. I feel if you have a budget for it and scrimp in other areas it’s okay to go out and enjoy yourselves without regret. For others dining out can be an area to trim expenses. For everything there is a balance to be found. Enjoy 2010. Keep up the good writing and helping us to look at our budgets.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:34 am
“to compare eating real food out to dairy queen is misleading. this is not food.”
I think your stomach would beg to differ. Look, hyperbole is not convincing. It might be low quality food or food you don’t find appetizing, but it does digest. I appreciate the “real food” movement, but I find the snobbery attached to it…well, distasteful.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:36 am
I see there are a lot of Laughing Planet fans here. Unfortunately, I’m not one of them. I don’t enjoy the food or atmosphere. (Though LP is the reason I subscribe to XM radio — our writers group used to meet there, and I loved the station LP played, so I subscribed when I paid off my debt.)
Kris and I both love Nicholas’ Lebanese. (In fact, that’s her favorite restaurant.)
January 12th, 2010 at 11:46 am
For Portland restaurants, I’d recommend Old Wives Tale, 1300 E. Burnside. They specialize in fresh food, lots of vegetables, no preservatives.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:54 am
Dude, the food cart pods! They’re springing up like mushrooms all over Portland, and many of them stay open late with a party atmosphere. Try the lower Hawthorne pod on a Saturday night. Cheap and festive.
http://www.foodcartsportland.com/
(Hope this isn’t a repeat. I only skimmed the other 90+ comments.)
January 12th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Is that for two people? Because I spend more than that for just me in one a year. So congrats! Of course I live in NYC. blech.
January 12th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Also: These numbers are in general for both me and Kris. I don’t keep track of which “dining out” expenses cover how many people, but it’s usually two people per meal.
January 12th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
I love to eat out but my bank account hates it. I tend to enjoy better quality and having a drink or two with my meal which always inflates the prices. While I’m in the Chicago area so I cannot speak to particular restaurants for you here are a few tips that have helped me keep the spending part under control:
Happy Hours - If you are willing to eat in the bar area (which I actually prefer a lot of the time) you can find some decent restaurants with a good happy hour menu. McCormick and Shmick’s (different names around the country) has a superb happy hour menu where you can get a half pound burger, oysters, catfish bites, and other yummy stuff for under 5 bucks each as long as you buy a drink first.
Specials - Not coupon specials so much as I know that the Italian place I enjoy has half-price wine on Mondays and a steak house I like has BYOB Wednesday’s. This is great especially since most places (at least around here) will re-cork the wine you don’t finish at the end of the night so you do not need to finish the whole bottle. Other places will let you bring your own wine and only pay a “Corkage Fee”.
January 12th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
JD - I’m not the first to mention it, but the food carts in Portland are incredible. We visit about once a year, and my wife looks forward to the $7 food cart meals as much as a $100 meal at a proper restaurant.
Pizza can be relatively affordable as well, and Portland has at least one killer pizza joint - Apizza Scholls. Hands down, the best pizza I’ve ever had. Pizzas are $19-24 each, and will easily feed the two of you. My wife and I split one (okay, a 70/30 split) after I ran the 2008 Portland Marathon. We were both full. We’ll be there in a couple of weeks, and will also try Ken’s Artisan Pizza.
Another favourite is Park Kitchen, near Powell’s. You could easily spend a fair amount of cash here, but most plates are shareable, so you could get a very nice evening at a decent price.
January 12th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
There are SO many fabulous places to eat for not too much money in PDX! I’m glad you and Kris are on the Nicholas’ bandwagon - I also recommend Arabian Breeze, on NE Broadway (out of your rec’d area, but worth it!), which is their sister restaurant - a bit of a different menu, and a bigger space, just just as delicious (and oddly enough, their online menu is priced higher than their actual in-store menu). We also love Fujin on SE Hawthorne and 36th for delicious Chinese food, the food carts at the 12th and Hawthorne pod, the Just Thai food cart on SW 3rd and Stark - all their entrees are $5, appetizers are $3 - and they are all HUGE portions of food - good enough for 2 meals at least. I really like Hoda - more middle-eastern - on SE Belmont around 34th.