This guest post from Amanda is part of a new feature here at Get Rich Slowly. Every Sunday will include a reader story (in the new “reader stories” category). Some will be general “how I did X” stories, and others will be examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success.
In May of 2008, I graduated with my MBA from a great school. I went straight from my undergraduate career into an MBA program, so despite numerous internships, I didn’t have a great deal of work experience, nor did I have a nest egg of any kind. Luckily, what I did have was a CPA for a mother
who taught me the value of saving a buck when I was very young.
I also was able to go to school on a partial scholarship and applied for numerous others while in the program. With all this said, I went to four years of college and two years of an MBA program and came out with around $37,000 in debt. That’s a large number to swallow; however, as far as education goes, I still look at that as quite a bargain.
Back in May 2008, I was 24 years old with $37,000 owed to good old Sallie Mae. I was starting my first full-time job in June, with a salary of $65,000 plus bonus potential. It wasn’t the $90,000 others from my class were making, but I thought I was doing very well considering I wasn’t yet 35 and I wasn’t moving to a big city (like NYC or DC).
Fast forward to today, roughly a year and a half later: I have $8000 left to pay on my student loans. I also have an emergency fund of around $17,000 and have over $15,000 in my retirement accounts. I’ve gone from having about $1000 to my name (net worth of about negative $36,000) to today where my net worth (emergency fund plus retirement accounts minus remaining student loans) is approximately $24,000. I’ve paid off $29,000 and saved $32,000 in a year-and-a-half: a total of $61,000.
How did I do it? I didn’t live like a pauper, but I did and do live frugally. I didn’t do anything that any of you haven’t heard before. I have no secret that hasn’t been revealed on personal finance blogs, but nonetheless, here’s the laundry list of how I’ve tackled my debt and built my savings:
I set goals! Before I began working, I set up my budget and set stretch goals for each month on what I could save/pay off.
I paid myself first and automated my finances. I immediately set up my 401(k) with my company. I set my contribution rate to 10% and didn’t concern myself with company match whatsoever. I figured if I never knew what it was like to have that 10% in my paycheck, I’d never miss it.
I also took a couple hundred bucks (it adjusted over time so there isn’t an exact figure to put here) from each paycheck and immediately moved it over to an ING Savings Account that I set up to build my Emergency Fund. Finally, I set up a Roth IRA where any excess cash could go at the end of each month.
I got a roommate. I wanted to live in a nice, safe area with a pool and a gym. It didn’t have to be the Ritz but I wanted it to be a place I was happy to call home. After looking at the prices of such places, I knew to accomplish my financial goals, I was going to need to get a two-bedroom and split the rent. I found a great roommate and split everything down the middle with them. This kept my rent and utility bills far under the 33% suggested rate. (I paid approximately $650 in rent for those of you who like exact numbers.)
I negotiated on all utilities and kept them to a minimum. I didn’t get a home phone number; my cell phone was all I needed. I had regular cable (no fancy movie channels) and regular internet through a bundle package. I negotiated these rates to the absolute minimum offered and when they tried to raise them, I called the cable company and told them their services were not worth that amount and that I would like to cancel. It was easy and fast and worked like a charm.
I kept the heat and A/C on at limited levels. If it was hot, I used a ceiling fan rather than pump A/C through the whole house. I opened the windows and let the breeze cool off the house. When it was cold, I used heat but also wore socks, sweatpants and a sweatshirt so that I could be warm without making my house a sauna. I used a drying rack as much as possible to save on dryer costs. It also helps keep your clothes from wearing out — an added bonus!
I learned the art of couponing at the grocery store and taught myself how to cook. Every Sunday, I faithfully clipped coupons and used sites like Coupon Mom or Frugal in Virginia to help me match coupons to sales to get the lowest prices possible. This seemed daunting at first but quickly became a ten to fifteen minute routine which often saved great deals of money
I didn’t buy pre-made food: I cooked from scratch. I found this was cheaper and far healthier! All Recipes was a great and free resource so that I didn’t get bored with the same old meals.
I bought produce that was in season so I could still get fresh fruits and veggies. I also stuck with apples, bananas, and pears instead of their more expensive berry counterparts. I ate vegetarian a few meals each week. I didn’t completely take meat out of the equation but did limit my intake of it. I also grew my own. I couldn’t have a full garden but I did grow tomatoes on the back terrace.
I didn’t eat out often! I probably ate out once to twice a week to keep up with my social calendar. Instead of eating out, I invited friends to my house or met them for a pot-luck. Finally, I brought my lunch to work almost every day.
I didn’t buy Stuff. Don’t get me wrong: If I wanted something, I bought it. I just evaluated whether it was something I really needed or if that want was only temporary. Usually, I’d wait a week to see if I was still thinking about the item. When I did shop, I used coupons at the stores and Retail Me Not when shopping online. I also shopped the sale section first.
I used the library and swapped books/DVDs with friends. Instead of hitting Barnes and Nobles, I went to the library or did PaperBackSwap. I’ve never been left wanting for something good to read or watch.
I worked out and spent a lot of time hiking outside. Hiking and enjoying the great outdoors is healthy, fun and free! I also did live in a beautiful area for hiking so was very lucky in that regard.
I worked hard at my job. I busted booty to get bonuses and raises at work. I made sure that I gave 110% and that my bosses were happy with my work. Any extra money (bonuses, tax returns etc) went straight into loan repayment after a small celebratory dinner of some kind.
I made side money. This also went straight into loan repayment. I used eBay to sell items I didn’t want/need anymore. I sold books and DVDs that I no longer wanted on Amazon. I did Swagbucks. It’s amazing how easy it is to get those $5 Amazon gift cards. It’s essentially free money!
Basically, I just didn’t let myself fall victim to lifestyle inflation. I didn’t need to have the latest Coach purse or a brand new car. I took good care of what I did have and bought nice things without the ridiculous price tags. I didn’t blow money at the bar, and I built my social calendar on less expensive outings with friends (picnics, free concerts, dinner parties etc).
I turned my debt repayment into a game where it was fun to send in that big payment and I turned any shopping into a quest for a great deal. It won’t work for everyone, but it worked for me!
Reminder: This is a story from one of your fellow readers. Please be nice. After nearly a decade of blogging, I have a thick skin, but it can be scary to put your story out in public for the first time. Remember that this guest author isn’t a professional writer, and is just learning about money like you are. Photo by fotographix.ca.
This article is about Debt, Reader Stories Sunday, 31st January 2010 (by J.D. Roth)


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January 31st, 2010 at 5:19 am
Hats off to you for “not following the crowd” of young grads. You were very disciplined with your money and it showed. Making an emergency fund and retirement a priority shows that you have your financial priorities straight. Fantastic job!
January 31st, 2010 at 5:29 am
Congratulations, Amanda! A wonderful story about financial responsibility and the power of goals. I wish you luck in paying off the final part of your loans. Consider taking a vacation once you are out of debt - I didn’t see that in your story (and maybe you had the luxury to travel as a student), but you should celebrate the time and effort you have put in - and take a trip or some time off also reminds me of why all the hard work is worth it. Just a thought. Good luck!
January 31st, 2010 at 6:43 am
I love the various games that Amanda made up to making paying off debt easier. Making up games is such a great way to pay off debt more quickly.
For my savings goals, I love how ING Direct allow you to create special savings accounts. If I want to make a big purchase, like a new laptop, I create a separate laptop savings account. Then it is a game to how fast I can build up that account.
January 31st, 2010 at 6:48 am
I’m always impressed with graduates who start funding a retirement account right away. When I was in college, IRAs were new. One of my marketing professors devoted an entire class to explaining this wonderful new retirement option to us and urged us to start one. Wish I had heeded his advice. It would be another 10 years before I would start a retirement account.
January 31st, 2010 at 7:02 am
Good for you!
Being smart about money when you graduate is a huge step forward. I wish I’d had your starting salary, but these steps are totally doable no matter what you earn.
January 31st, 2010 at 7:06 am
That is so inspiring! I didn’t do every one of those things to pay off my debt, and I probably paid it off a little slower than Amanda did. But every one of those ideas is worth a try for anyone! I especially love the one about bringing lunch to work. That has become second nature to me, too, and the money it saves is outrageous. I don’t even make my lunch, I buy all the $2 or less frozen diet dinners at the supermarket and have a wide variety of quick grab lunches for weeks.
January 31st, 2010 at 7:36 am
Secretly, I bet the $10 lunch people wish they could be like you!
January 31st, 2010 at 8:06 am
The biggest thing that sticks out to me is the couponing. I, too, am 20-something and making $63k a year. I have been couponing like mad, and I’ve been wondering if it’s worth it. I certainly make enough to support a frugal lifestyle. Couponing has always seemed “extreme” to me, but here I am, still doing so today!
Congrats to you!
January 31st, 2010 at 8:19 am
You know how hard it is NOT to follow the “crowd” not just in your personal life, but at your job as well? One risks alienation and ridicule from fellow co-workers. Congrats Amanda! It takes one to be mentally strong as well as being goal-oriented to go against the grain. I think setting goals are great, but to truly achieve those goals, one must be mentally strong first. It’s obvious that Amanda is a “mental giant”! I truly hope that all young professionals read this article. =)
January 31st, 2010 at 8:19 am
Great post! I’m a huge fan of setting goals and of automating finances. I’m also a big fan of bringing lunch to work. My first couple years working I brought lunch every day except one Friday per month I’d go out to lunch with co-workers. Years later, I still bring my lunch most days and go out to lunch about once every two weeks.
January 31st, 2010 at 8:26 am
Very nice! Great job at the reduction in debt and increase in savings!
January 31st, 2010 at 8:51 am
CONGRATS!!!!! One year ago I started out pretty good following some of the same goals you have written about here. About June, I had some health and personal issues that steered me off track. By the end of the year, I was actually worse off than I was at the start of the year.
Thanks for the motivation!!! I want to make 2010 a “NEW BEGINING” for me. Your article has stimulated me to get out the excel worksheets I started a year ago to help me get out of debt.
Thanks for posting this article!!
January 31st, 2010 at 8:52 am
There must have been a lot of raises, bonuses, or outside money if these numbers are right: $61k in debt payments and savings on a $65k salary leaves $4k to live on for the whole year not counting taxes.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:00 am
I wish I had your debt and your salary. Ha ha. I’m at $47,000 in student loans and I’ll be lucky to make $40,000 a year (most likely $32,000). Thanks for the tips though, this will be helpful when I find a job.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:01 am
Good on you Amanda !
You knew it would make cen(t)se ! You steared your own course and with some discipline and common sence you got where you are today . Difficult ? Not really..
January 31st, 2010 at 9:10 am
Amanda, to read your story is absolutely inspiring. With your money skills you are going to get rich slowly with a minimum of stress. Having a fully funded emergency fund is fundamental to living a well managed financial life. With your frugal skills and a great job you are well launched into your working life. Bravo.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:12 am
Yeah, it’s easy to pay off your student loans when you make $65k. Try it on $20-30k. Even living a frugal lifestyle it takes years to pay down debt when you make the average (individual around $32K). About 75% of Americans make less than $50K per year. Even with a master’s degree, like Amanda, the average individual income is $61,324. Good for you for getting out of debt so quickly, but your success is the exception not the rule, even for those motivated to pay off debt.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:15 am
JJ: She says a year and a half, roughly, so that is more like 35,000 not 4000, before taxes.
Rent @ 650/month = almost 12,000 for 18 months, so that leaves the bonuses and ebay and scrounging for the outside expenses, which is totally doable, especially if, like me, when she says “rent”, she includes the utilities, or if she had a lot of crap on ebay.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:15 am
I wonder if the 10% (regardless of match) in a 401k is the best way to go. I’m not sure, but I feel like you would be better off only contributing “up to the match” and put the rest in your IRA. In case of no match, put it all in your IRA.
I think it has something to do with pulling money out, which in case of a 401k is a bigger hassle and more expensive, than with an IRA. But maybe, someone else could clarify.
(Great story btw!)
January 31st, 2010 at 9:17 am
Great job Amanda. Whether at 65K or some other salary, your success was based on having specific goals, creating a clear plan to reach those goals and sticking to it. Others with different incomes and loan amounts can take the same steps to achieve their financial goals. It may take more or less time, but the basic principles will be the same.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:19 am
Sounds like you playing great financial offense and defense! Kudos to you.
Lifestyle creep (or Lifestyle Inflation as you call it) is currently my most difficult struggle. I’ll be debt-free soon and it’s hard not to spend money on those nice little extras in life…
I followed the pattern you described above for the last 15 years, except I never did the coupon thing (one of my biggest mistakes). I’ve had roommates for years, then I got lucky by finding a cheap bachelor pad (very very small apartment, I called it my shoebox). Another alternative to a roommates is to rent just a bed room from someone.
Keep up the great work, and use those goals they work (I call them milestones at my site…)
January 31st, 2010 at 9:20 am
Great Story…
I’m basically in the same boat. I’ll be graduating in mid-May from a top 15 MBA program with about $51K in debt (all Federal student loans). I’m working hard to find a great job and am hopeful that I’ll find something soon.
I can’t wait to graduate, work, eliminate my debt and save money!
January 31st, 2010 at 9:21 am
Way to go Amanda! I like the little things … they do add up. Packing a lunch is one of the easiest things to do, and the savings can be tremendous. Heck, just not buying out of the machines at work can be dollars a day. Sometimes its just doing the little things that can lead to the big things.
Katie-hang in there. Sometimes starting on the lower paying job and doing what Amanda did-giving 110% can lead you to far greater things. Ask me how I know-in 10 years I tripled my salary. One thing I did? Invested in a $100 golf club set and joined a league to smooze with the right people in an off work setting … that alone paid me back a thousand fold. Look for your opportunities and take them when they come.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:39 am
Amanda —
Great story. Some of your choices would have affected your roommate, too (heating and air conditioning, keeping other utility bills down, basic cable, etc.). If you have a chance, I’d love to hear how you negotiated those decisions with your roomie. Was that the deal from the get-go? Did you figure things out as you went along? Were there tensions?
Congratulations on your progress so far!
January 31st, 2010 at 9:46 am
Yes, a year and a half later, not a year, so there was plenty of money. I basically had my net worth increase by about $2400 a month and I brought home (after my retirement deductions etc) about $3200 a month. I basically used $800 a month for all expenses and pocketed the rest. Of course, some months, I’m not quite that disclipined but that’s the gist of it. Hope that helps clear up any confusion.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:48 am
I’m definitely considering my next vacation. My goal was to get out of debt (about THREE months from now!) and then plan a nice vacation for this spring! Thanks for the encouragement.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:50 am
@katie:
No reason to be so pessimistic! I can see where you’re coming from, but:
a) It may seem “easy” to pay off debt when making $65k, but it still takes goals and discipline no matter what income level you have. How many people make that much (or more!) and just spend the extra income on Stuff and incur even more debt when they make more money?
b) You said: “your success is the exception not the rule….” So what? This is one reader’s own success story, not a formula for others to follow and expect the same results.
c) This is Get Rich *Slowly* — It will undoubtedly be slower for some than for others, but no reason to be down on those who get off to a quicker start.
@amanda:
Great story! Thanks for sharing!
January 31st, 2010 at 9:54 am
I did discuss finances with my roommate early on. We both had debt we wanted to get rid of and we helped encourage each other. Also, I stayed flexible. The whole goal was to live frugally, but not to be miserable, so I didn’t let it get to me if my roommate did turn on the AC on a day when I would have wanted to open the windows.
There really weren’t tensions but I think that’s because we were on the same wave length about our debt repayment goals. I definitely got lucky there.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:59 am
What this post really illustrates to me is the different perspectives people have on debt and finances.
Some of us dread even considering our finances while others choose to look at debt as a challenge to be conquered.
Debt reduction is freakin fun!!!
January 31st, 2010 at 10:12 am
“I was starting my first full-time job in June, with a salary of $65,000 plus bonus potential. It wasn’t the $90,000 others from my class were making, but I thought I was doing very well considering I wasn’t yet 35 and I wasn’t moving to a big city (like NYC or DC).”
It’s funny how many college students and grads think this way. It seems that it’s just human nature to feel like you’re “doing pretty well” when you’re making more money than you’ve ever made before, even if it’s only half of what your peers are making doing the same work.
I’ve heard lots and lots of people say things like “I’m making $30k/year, that’s pretty well considering…” followed by a list of excuses like “I’m young” or “I don’t live in a big city”.
The fact is, these people *aren’t* doing well. They’re just doing better than they’re used to. Making $65k as an MBA? It’s probably not even average, let alone good. I’ve seen the same sort of thing from people making $55k/year as a programmer, or $15/hr as almost anything. Because these people have never had a “real job” before, anything more than $9/hr feels “really good” to them, even if it’s half of what others in the same field are making.
This isn’t meant as a jab at Amanda, but just a warning for everyone coming out of college, since so many people end up in this same place, and Amanda really isn’t nearly the worst I’ve seen in this respect. New college grads: If you go to a job interview and notice the people in the office with the same job title as you (or one level higher) are all driving BMW 5-series to lunch, and you get offered a $45k starting salary, ask for more.
But maybe I’m weird, I’ll ask for raises and negotiate salaries. In the last 4 years or so, I’ve increased my salary by $43k/year just by asking. In the same time period, I’ve just been given a total of $7k/year in raises without asking for them. It’s obvious which strategy has worked better.
January 31st, 2010 at 10:13 am
Kudos to you, Amanda! And to your mom—my husband and I are working on being the kind of people who instill good financial sense in their children like she did with you.
January 31st, 2010 at 10:16 am
I think the unsung part of this story is how her mom influenced her from a young age. J.D. if you could post another article from Amanda about her she was raised regarding money or from someone else on that front I would love it. Being a mom that’s an area of intense curiosity to me.
January 31st, 2010 at 10:22 am
As Wendy #31 notes, these habits are best forged in childhood, by example.
Also, the best and easiest time to practice frugality is when one is right out of school. You generally don’t have a bunch of bad habits or big obligations at that point. It is much easier–not to mention fun–to start ADDING meals out after a bit, than it is to CUT DOWN on meals out while still paying past meals off on your credit card.
January 31st, 2010 at 10:36 am
@katie, I agree with you. $37,000 is getting away with next to no debt (as Amanda said herself) and then pair that with an above average salary, I’m glad she got out of debt, but I’m not surprised. I have two Masters and $47,000 of debt and some of my potential employers think that my starting salary should be below $30,000. I’ve made a budget where that is possible, but it entails a second part-time job and even then barely getting by. I understand that a majority of these issues are my fault for not doing better research or studying something of value, but it can be frustrating to owe 2.5 times as much as the average Bachelor grad and face employers who think you should be paid 3/4 what someone with a bachelors makes on average. My initial salary request is $40,000 ($3,000 under the average for a Bachelors) and that will put me out of range for a lot of employers. Oh, if only I had it all to do over again. Ha ha.
January 31st, 2010 at 10:43 am
I agree with Wendy (#32), I’d love to see a guest post from a parent who’s had success teaching their kids not to fall into the consumerism trap. How do you get a 10 year old to want to save money instead of begging for the same shoes/video games/whatever their friends all have?
January 31st, 2010 at 10:45 am
Help me understand this.
You make 65k. After taxes, that comes down to roughly 45k take-home. Multiply that by 1.5 and you get about 68k in a year and a half.
So how do you save 61k out of 68k in 1.5 years? It just doesn’t seem to add up!
January 31st, 2010 at 11:19 am
Billy #36 ~ Amanda wrote that she also sold things on e-bay, had opportunities for bonuses, sold books and DVD’s on Amazon, etc. She also mentioned putting tax refund immediately towards debt.
I think we tend to get bogged down on the details and numbers of Amanda’s story and then compare to our own. Look at the principles of what she did and how this has led to her success. Even if you start small it’s better than doing nothing. Every little bit helps in getting you to your goal.
Kudos to you Amanda! Your goal-setting, creativity and perserverance are an encouragement to me! I teach my kids to make the hard stuff fun and it will be a much “easier” road. Congrats and thank you so much for sharing your story.
January 31st, 2010 at 11:24 am
This sounds a lot like what I did, but it sounds like you did a better job of having fun with it. It’s also awesome to get it all paid off when you’re single. My husband and I paid off 10k in credit card debt in 1 year after he graduated from college, while living in NYC, on combined salaries of about $65k. It was difficult but really rewarding, especially when we made it into a game with a target paid-off date, and a reward after it was all done. It’s definitely harder when you have to compromise with someone who isn’t as focused as you are on the goal, so good for you for getting it done
January 31st, 2010 at 11:35 am
#36 post don’t forget she also recvd bonuses.
Good for you Amanda! Great story!
January 31st, 2010 at 11:53 am
I really need to get on the couponing thing. I use them when they show up, but I don’t actively seek them out. They always seem to be for food I don’t eat, like chips and ice cream.
Good for you, Amanda. I’m jealous, really. I’m tackling ~70k in debt on a $45k salary while living in a major city.
January 31st, 2010 at 12:01 pm
@Billy: If you make your numbers a little more optimistic, she brings home about $50k a year… or $75k in 1.5 years. Add to that, bonuses, maybe the occassional company reimbursement, selling stuff on eBay, etc, etc, she probably took home $85k in 1.5 years.
Keeping in mind that her 401(k) contributions are pre-tax, I can clearly see how she’s paid debt and saved for a net of $61k.
I’m in the same boat. I grossed $60k for the last two years. In that time, I’ve paid down about $45k in debt and have saved $15k. It’s completely doable, living frugally, but not miserably!
January 31st, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Way to go Amanda. With your attitude and knowledge about finances, your future looks good.
I’ve always been turned off to using coupons, but what I do is buy most of my vegetables at our $.99 store. The quality is still there, and often it can be $.25 on the dollar.
I’m lucky too in that my spouse and I both agree to and live a frugal lifestyle.
January 31st, 2010 at 12:12 pm
A good chunk of my 61k is accounted for by my pre-tax savings in my 401k (around $10k) so that all occurred before I even got my pay-check. In addition, I only said I started at $65k, not that I made that now, so yes I did receive a raise (that I asked for) in there. Finally, when I reached certain milestones at work, I received bonuses that were based on performance. That also upped my total salary by a decent amount.
The goal of the article really isn’t about the numbers - my financial results won’t actually help anyone else. The goal was to hopefully give someone a new idea on how to save.
@Tyler - I’m completely with you that you have to put yourself out there if you want to make more money. However, with that being said, I think averages, or even comparing one’s salary to anothers is a dangerous game. Without knowing the locale, the work history, the job itself, the work-life balance etc, it is hard to judge a person’s salary. With all that said, if you have specific ideas on how to negotiate salaries, I’d love to hear them.
I only included the numbers so that people could use it as a frame of reference. Again, the point is to discuss ideas and how I made debt repayment fun, instead of troublesome.
Thanks for all the comments! It’s certainly fun (and a little scary!) to hear different viewpoints.
January 31st, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Tyler K– Making 65K as an MBA without years of work experience IS fine. Most people get the MBAs after work experience, so of course they’re making more. Companies value actual work experience in addition to education. And living someplace like Houston rather than Santa Clara… well, you get a lot more for your money, even if you’re not living on the beach.
Sure she can and should ask for raises in the future, but given what she’s said it sounds like she’s doing a bit above average given her circumstances. Not that having the highest salary should necessarily be the goal in life.
January 31st, 2010 at 12:37 pm
I’m really happy for you, but the real game changer in your case, I think, was a job with a huge salary. My wife and I came out of school with $100,000 in debts plus a couple thousand in credit cards, and the only people who hire in her field right now pay minimum wage, while I still have three more years of school before I’m eligible for a job in my field.
Let me tell you, I’d kill for a job that paid half of what you have. For us, debt isn’t so much of a game as a fight to survive. Good for you for being so blessed with such great opportunities.
I guess my point is, a great way to pay off this kind of debt more quickly would be to eliminate all those people who tell high schoolers that they can do something they love and make money at it.
January 31st, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Great article Amanda! Turning your debt repayment into a game is an excellent idea. Just about any task can be approached this way, my mom taught me that early on. I think it’s called “reframing”? Take lawn mowing for example. It wound be very easy for me to be sour and irritated about mowing the lawn, it’s a lot of work. However what I do is make it fun. I mow patterns into to the lawn (can’t say the hubs is too happy when I mow in patterns, but he gets over it because he’s just happy not to have to mow the lawn!) or I see how fast I can mow and try to beat my previous lawn mowing times. Or sometimes when I’m batch cooking for the week to save money, I pretend that I’m the star of a cooking show. This may seem silly to some, but I enjoy life and I smile a lot because I turn the “unfun” into a game. Give it a try.
January 31st, 2010 at 2:04 pm
I’m also really impressed about how you managed to get through two years of graduate school (and 4 years of college) with so little debt. I know a lot of people who racked up a lot of bills figuring they’d be able to pay it all off once they had a real job. But it’s hard to keep up with the compound interest on a credit card, even when you’re making a real salary, and it is very easy to succumb to lifestyle inflation.
January 31st, 2010 at 2:16 pm
I love that you have been *proactive* in so many things here:
You took ‘numerous internships’ making your CV look great and gave you valuable perspective for your choice of field.
You got your ‘graduate job’ straight away. Many people don’t get around to finding a job as they are preparing for their uni finals (it took me until the April after graduation to transition to my ‘graduate job’). You had one waiting for you when you came out of school.
You actively chose 10% as a pension contribution. Most people just do the match (which is very often less than 10%), not realising the power of compounding a higher contribution.
The list goes on: cooking yourself,coupons and negotiation. Through and through, your account here shows the merits of being proactive so thanks for sharing. I’m sure it gave a lot of readers some extra energy to go out there and make a difference through activity -even though its really tempting to flop on the sofa after putting in a 110% effort day at work.
January 31st, 2010 at 2:59 pm
I’m really inspired that you were able to so quickly realize the important things in your life.
It’s so easy to be a spendthrift for the first few years when you start working because it’s the first time that a lot of us make any money. I know first hand!
January 31st, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Numbers aside, it’s very clear that you are very diligent about doing just about every “little” thing you can to achieve your financial goals. That’s quite commendable. And your salary is not bad for starting out, by any stretch, but even that is something you achieved. You weren’t handed a big salary for no reason at all. Your diligence brought you to that place. Great job!
January 31st, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Amanda;
You’re inspiring! Please keep that frame of reference & keep going. You might want to consider real property while you’re still happy with roommates. Today’s markets have incentives that were not there when I started real work in 1976.
Been there, done that, Happy Camper in this part of life!!
January 31st, 2010 at 3:17 pm
I think it’s great that you’ve been able to pay down so much debt and fund retirement already!
For those naysayers who think it’s impossible to pay off debt on a low salary, I can say that my husband and I were able to pay off $25K in debt and pack away $10K in emergency savings in under 3 years on a salary of $24K while raising two kids. Next week is our one-year anniversary of being debt free! Planning, setting goals, and making a game out of getting rid of it is the key. You have to WANT to be out of debt, more than you WANT to have “stuff.”
January 31st, 2010 at 4:43 pm
@#30 (Tyler) - I don’t think what cars people drive at a prospective job is an accurate indicator of their fiscal health, they could just be mindless consumers that live paycheck to paycheck.
As for the other posters, I’m surprised how so many are quick to question Amanda’s integrity or dismiss her effort because of her high salary. The fact is income is not a measure of fiscal well-being. College graduates have to battle lifestyle inflation, oftentimes the more you make the more incentive you have to “treat” yourself. Dismissing other efforts just because you assume you do not have a comparable level of privilege (income) will keep you fiscally stagnant. Feeling sorry for yourself never helps, I know I’ve tried that route. You have to just keep your nose to the grind nose and do the best you can with what you have.
Kudos to you Amanda! Thanks for sharing your fanstastic story, it was quite inspirational.
January 31st, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Great job! It is hard to overcome the peer pressure to get the latest trendy clothing and accessories. As I limit buying these things, my coworkers look at me as if I’m nuts. Why do I want to drive a really high mileage car and use the same purse all yr long? I am making traction on paying down my dreadful HELL LOCK as I brown bag it, while they go out for lunch. Keep up the good work and before you know it your net worth will painlessly skyrocket.
January 31st, 2010 at 5:05 pm
As somebody who is in a similar situation to Brandon L. (a lot more debt and a lower salary, but at least happily working in a profession I love), I understand the temptation to feel like - well, or course it was easy for HER.
But here’s the thing…anytime I see the success of somebody else who has had to face their financial daemons and is able to turn it around and enjoy the process of paying off debt and increasing their financial health - I’m inspired!
We all start from different places. But what I’m taking from Amanda’s story is that I CAN do it. And I can do it without being miserable the whole time. I might not be able to do it as quickly, but each time I send in a big payment, I’m on the right path to freedom. Thanks for sharing.
January 31st, 2010 at 5:10 pm
The “fun” part was what I liked best in my escape from financial hell.
Sending off those fat payments to the credit card companies was like saying, “Here, take that–you’re not ripping me off anymore!”
Congrats to the author for her venture out of debt
January 31st, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Congrats Amanda! My husband and I are both graduate school educated and left college with considerably more debt than you! But we have a plan to pay it off in the coming years, and we do set “stretch” goals (which we often meet) for monthly, and yearly goals. Once we meet them, we treat ourselves to a week long cruise (our favorite reward for doing good.) We combined make what you do as a single person, but we really enjoy our lifestyle and also have turned our finances into a game. We love it, and wish you the best! Great story!
January 31st, 2010 at 7:33 pm
what an inspiring story Amanda, thanks for sharing.
For the people who say, “it’s so easy when you make $65k, try doing it on $30k,” you’re forgetting lifestyle creep. The way you live on $30k isn’t the same as how you lived as a student or when you made $15k. One of Amanda’s biggest successes was avoiding that lifestyle creep of gtting a nicer apartment on her one, a better car, furnishings, etc etc etc.
But it’s easier to claim her success was all down to her salary, that way you have an excuse why you haven’t done it as well.
January 31st, 2010 at 7:38 pm
@Alex #45: I think that is the wrong attitude. I strongly believe you CAN do something you love and make money at it, but it doesn’t necessarily come easily or without making a logical plan of how to achieve your goals.
For example, getting into a great deal of debt training for a job that pays little is not sensible. But that does not mean you cannot get a job that pays little if that is what you really want to do in life, it just means that you need to do things like get a job to save for tuition before going to school for that profession, or getting scholarships, or working while attending school part time, or going to a state school - any number of strategies to reduce the loans taken for school. And then I think there are always ways to increase your income once you have that job you love. For example, if you’re an artist (a job that traditionally could lead to a penniless pauper kind of lifestyle), you could try avenues like selling on eBay, selling designs for commercial items like to put on snowboards or to create decals, doing graphic design for websites, making T-shirts, promoting your work online through blogs, writing a book about how to create a certain type of art… I mean, I’m just totally brainstorming here off whatever first came to mind, but my point is that you have to be proactive, like Amanda, and not just accept whatever you think the circumstances have to be, in order to gain wealth. I could run through the same exercise if your chosen profession was being an alpaca farmer, or a basketweaver, or a dessert chef. Just because you are not an MBA doesn’t mean you can’t make a lot of money by being smart about your career choices and life.
January 31st, 2010 at 8:01 pm
@ Tyler: it’s asinine to point out that a 24-year-old making 65k a year “not even average, let alone good.” Like someone else said, if that’s not average for an MBA, then it’s probably because a lot of other MBAs are older and have job experience. Your post just looked like an excuse to post your salary and salary increases.
January 31st, 2010 at 8:13 pm
@Jim: She’s the one who said her classmates were graduating and getting $90k/year jobs. And even if it turns out that 65k/year *is* good, it doesn’t invalidate the rest of my point - that college grads often sell themselves short by settling for simply more than they’re used to, rather than what they’re actually worth.
If you really think my comment was nothing but an excuse to post my salary (which wasn’t posted in my comment), why don’t you think the original post wasn’t anything but an excuse to post Amanda’s salary and debt-reduction skills? Is any mention of a positive personal trait inherently bragging?
January 31st, 2010 at 9:04 pm
By far the best written Sunday Reader Submission so far. It was concise, to the point, and got her point across. Can you ask her to write again? I could read her articles all day =)
January 31st, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Good story.
Wife and I will have cleared $78000 of debt in about 30 months of on a $60k income. This on top of paying $5000 for oral surgery, $1500 in additional dentist bills, and putting 10% down on our house. In the end, we’re talking around $95000. It has been no easy feat.
It IS possible to live so cheaply that other people don’t believe it. I got into an argument with a co-worker recently who didn’t believe that my wife and I could live under $1500 a month including mortgage and all debt payments. We pull home usually around $4000 a month.
I’ll take somethings to the extreme and bike 40 miles round trip to work once a week or so to save the $6 in gas it takes per trip to commute to work via car. The car I drive cost me $100. We live without trash service or cable TV. The thermostat in the winter is set on 55. IT CAN BE DONE!!
January 31st, 2010 at 9:52 pm
good job, Amanda. there are actually only few people are like you. Hope I could be like you. It takes a lot of self-discipline which you actually have. And I envy you for that. Probably, i could start doing it slowly each month.
January 31st, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Success as a goal and getting out of debt, as challenge not an obstacle, is a very stress diminishing way of living. I give you extra points for even staying healthy by hiking instead of going the Diet, Pill, Gym routine !!
I am very inspired.
February 1st, 2010 at 1:20 am
Amanda…GREAT JOB. At last someone I can relate to. I have a hard time understanding the person who barely can make their car payment and spends between $10-$12 on lunch when a $1 or $2 sandwich would actually work!
It is nice to read a story of one who understands the basic idea that paying back debt quickly, living a normal, nonflashy lifestyle is actual the “smart thing” to do!
It’s okay to NOT live like that. I’d rather live like you, Amanda than live the “high life” of big money, high stakes and wondering if it is all going to come crashing down on you and you end up bankrupt.
Keep it up. You’ll be “rich” one day and then your friends will look at you with envy and say how “lucky” you were….
February 1st, 2010 at 2:30 am
What a great example of setting yourself up with a structure for success from Day 1. I wonder how many of Amanda’s MBA classmates are on a similarly positive track?
February 1st, 2010 at 4:28 am
Congratulations, Amanda!
This is not a stick at you personally, but I still find it amazing how much people (have to…are willing to?) pay for higher education in the US, and to a lesser extent, in the UK (where I’m from).
I find this system of getting a degree so that you can earn more money than if you didn’t have one, but then end up using a lot of that money to pay for getting the degree in the first place a strange idea. I am, of course, being somewhat hypocritical, as I did this myself (though, it was considerably cheaper for me).
On a slightly more minor note, it never occurred to me NOT to use a drying rack to dry out washed clothes; even in winter, hanging stuff above or near a radiator is, for me, the normal way to dry things. Is it usual in the US to always use a drying machine?
February 1st, 2010 at 5:18 am
I’m glad to read a post from a professional in their 20s who is committed to firm financial goals.
My first professional job after getting my BA in ‘05 paid $45K. I left school with paid-off credit cards and $21K in student loan debt. I drove a low mileage older car, brown-bagged it, carpooled (in St. Louis!), and paid less for rent than anyone I knew.
My goal was increasing net worth through investing, so I plowed all my extra earnings into 1) contributing up to my 401k match 2) maxing out my Roth IRA and then 3) paying down low interest student loan debt.
Celebrating milestones is key. My then-fiancee threw me a ‘zero-net-worth party’ when my savings overtook my debt. It was soon renamed ‘Drew is Worthless Party’, and was great fun.
I married a saver and today we (age 28 & 25) stand at $17K net worth despite a market downturn, my layoff and her student loans being added to the mix.
My advice to you, Amanda, is if/when you marry, get someone who shares your goals. My wife is a beautiful hard-working artist, but not the highest earner. She is however a saver. (Due primarily do her time and effort, we spent $5.5K for our wedding!) She clips coupons, we cook from scratch, we talk money without fighting, and have our financial goals right on the fridge.
Best of luck to you.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:19 am
Wow, a starting salary of $65,000!! Good for you. I graduated in 2000 with $25,000 of school loans. After ten years in the work force (I’m a land development designer), I make about $45,000. I started at $30,000.
I haven’t paid down my loans as much as you, but I have been employing the same strageties. I haven’t had cable or a home phone in 6 years.
Child care costs is what eats up my salary.
Good Luck, you are doing a great job.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:04 am
This is a fantastic story. Very inspiring!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:17 am
Good for you!! I am around your age, and am repaying my debt in a similar fashion to you. Keep it up!!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:25 am
This story is so inspiring! I wish I was as far ahead of the game when I was your age. Unfortunately, an early marriage (a subsequent divorce) derailed me for a couple of years. I was also lucky, like you, to have parents that instilled the value of saving and budgeting. At 35, I am now back on track, am debt free (except for my mortgage at 4.875%), and continuing to save for retirement while being a stay-at-home mom to two boys ages 2 and 6 months.
I echo previous posters advice that the most important thing you can do in the future is remember the importance of marrying someone with the same financial values that you have. My ex had no respect for money or finances, which was one of the many downfalls of our marriage. My current husband (and love of my life) has the same financial goals as me and that makes it very easy to work as a team in setting goals and doing what it takes to attain them.
Congratulations on your achievements!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:26 am
Congrats, Amanda! I also graduated in 2008 with a BA in Business Mgmt and Marketing and I hope to be able to post a similar story in two years regarding my husband’s student loans.
In the mean time, I am very interested in Tyler’s comment(#30), especially in this current economy. I constantly go back and forth wondering if I’m being drastically underpaid for my first “real” job out of college ($40,000)or if I should just be greatful considering how many of my peers are still working at Target or Starbucks unable to find employment with their degrees.
It just seems impossible to tell what is a good offer, given how many variables there are (industry, geography, etc.). Almost all jobs are listed as DOE, so I don’t know what the norm in my area actually is and I’m not confident enough in the internet salary calculators to waltz into an interview spouting off those numbers with any assurance that I won’t get laughed at and shown out the door. J.D., I would REALLY appreciate a post on this!
February 1st, 2010 at 10:08 am
@#74 “I constantly go back and forth wondering if I’m being drastically underpaid for my first “real” job out of college ($40,000)or if I should just be greatful”
I think that in this economy, people should just be grateful for what they can get and be happy not to be laid off. Last year, I had a fabulous interview at a company that I really wanted to work for and was offered the job. I had done my research and knew exactly what I was worth to them, but when the offer came in, it was $10k/year lower than what I was expecting. I tried to negotiate for more and they refused to pay more and then added numerous conditions for employment with them that did not exist before I tried to negotiate. I decided not to take the job.
For a while, I was really torn up about losing such a great job over money, but then I heard that some shady people at the company made up data and that the place I was going to work might not survive the year. If I had taken that job, I would be unemployed right now.
Right now, no company in the US values what people are actually “worth”. They will just go to the next lowest bidder if you think you are worth more, so take what you have and be grateful for it!
(2 years out from graduating, I am making $28k. When I started school, companies were hiring at around $40k, but they found out they could low-ball people and so they do.)
February 1st, 2010 at 10:43 am
Kudos! My husband and I married while we were in college, and did not have the benefit of being raised to be money-wise. We made a lot of mistakes when we were “young”, but have realized the error of our ways, and plan to be debt free in 2-3 years.
Regarding cooking at home saving money, I agree wholeheartedly. I guesstimate that we’ve probably saved in the neighborhood of $10,000 by cooking at home. And that isn’t living off of Hamburger Helper, either.
My husband and I are self-taught chefs (we have a couple of well-worn cookbooks, and also use allrecipes.com, or foodnetwork.com recipes). We make fantastic meals with the freshest ingredients right in our own kitchen. Buying produce in season, and learning proper methods to freeze ingredients and finished meals has translated to real dollars saved, and the prep time is about the same as if you would get into a car and drive to a restaurant (bonus - you save gas by eating at home, too).
Not only that, but our young children (ages 4 and 6) have learned to enjoy actual “real food” meals (yes, even those with visible “herbs” - LOL), and they rarely get hot dogs, canned pasta meals or frozen chicken nuggets, which also saves us money…
We’re just getting started teaching them to divide all money they get into three categories: Save, Spend and Give. They loved having *their own* money to spend on souvenirs when we went on a recent weekend trip.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:04 am
@Alex (45)
Wow, sounds like we need to stage a GRS intervention for you. $100,000 in school debt for your wife to make minimum wage and you’re still taking more school?! What in the world are you guys studying? Why did you do this to yourselves??
I really hope you’re in med school, or something else that will pay at *least* $65k/year. If you consider $65k a “huge” salary, and you’re about to find yourself well over $100k in debt… it’s going to be a long fight.
And how can you make the below comment and STILL be racking up student loans?
“I guess my point is, a great way to pay off this kind of debt more quickly would be to eliminate all those people who tell high schoolers that they can do something they love and make money at it.”
There’s nothing wrong with deciding to get a PhD in Basket Weaving if you love it and don’t care about the paycheck, but don’t dig yourself a hole and then whine that someone gave you bad advice while you dig yourself deeper.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:28 am
@Preston in 63:
You don’t have trash service? Interesting. That’s illegal around here. I wonder how much the sanitation companies slipped to our town officials to get that passed.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:47 am
@Marie in 78:
Cancelled trash about five months ago. As far as I know this is not illegal and we are not living in filth. I’m frugal but I do have standards.
We are very green and recycle a lot and are very conscious of what we are buying. When we did have service, we were averaging one can every 3-4 weeks — and it wouldn’t even be full. So we decided it wasn’t worth it.
The biggest blessing has been a recycling dumpster at a local school less than a mile away. They are also having a paper drive for charity as well, which I wouldn’t have known about had I not done this.
As far as actual trash goes, we have usually a plastic grocery bag a week which we just throw away when we get gas. That has been the biggest challenge.
February 1st, 2010 at 12:07 pm
to Preston comment #63 Do you have a blog ? I’d like to read it. I could use the tips probably.My husband makes around $23,500 per year gross. We live on it with no credit cards & no govt. aide.I have picked up 1 day per week as home health aide & was full time for 1 month , till lady put me back to 1 day a week because her savings was going to fast.If you don’t have a blog could you write a guest post or an article I could read. I’d be mighty interested. Thanks, Lisa~~ That comes to $15,288 bring home.
February 1st, 2010 at 1:23 pm
This was a very well-written piece, and enjoyable to read. Thanks, Amanda, and well-done to you, on both the writing, and your hugely successful management of your finances just out of graduate school. Choosing to be in a lower-cost of living city or area, fighting off lifestyle creep, electing to have a roommate and live frugally despite the fact that you have an advanced degree, etc. are not easy. You clearly made some very good choices.
February 1st, 2010 at 1:30 pm
First of all, great story and I enjoyed the lively writing style.
There have been numerous comments relating to educational choices, so, Re: entry level jobs and higher education … I’d just like to point out that corporate offices in general don’t have to consider anyone without some kind of bachelor’s degree; they have plenty of applicants for every position.
A lot of firms only look at candidates with college degrees, because they can’t count on high-school graduates having ANY applicable skills and it’s a big time suck to interview those candidates.
IF you can establish that you have collegiate-level language, writing, and tech skills, you MIGHT be able to get an entry-level clerical position with the opportunity for advancement. Typically, income goes up rather fast once you start to master different proficiencies in your workplace and once you have established your professionalism.
I think the keys are, as others have said, not digging yourself in deeper, and not letting your lifestyle increase along with your income.
February 1st, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Great achievement. But rather than just look for ways to save or make some small cash on the side, I would recommend looking for ways to substantially increase your income. Of all the things you can do, that would have the most impact. At a $20k pay-raise you could eat all the $10 lunches you can handle and give up on coupons and still take home much more money.
Still, a very nice achievement. There are so many people out there who have the same loans and income and REALLY struggle, big city or not. Unfortunately, many folks bite of more than they can chew, esp. if they go to a sub-par school.
My general advice on biz school, law school is that unless you can get into a top 15 program AND really have the drive to capitalize on that degree, you should avoid full-time programs. Instead get a part-time degree at a strong state school, ideally paid for by your employer. Avoid for-profit schools like Phoenix Online at ALL COSTS (low graduation rates, no respect for degree). If you ignore my advice, you run a high chance of ending up with more loans than you can reasonably stomach based on a graduating salary.
@74 - Just ask. Find people in the industry, at the company you are interested in, develop a relationship with them, invite them for coffee for lunch, and just ask … “What kind of starting salary should I expect”. Also look at glassdoor.com.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:05 pm
@ Tyler (#30 and #61) -
I think Jim and others took exception to your posts because some of your words can be inferred as arrogant, or at the very least not very polite.
But the advice within the 5th paragraph of your original post (#30) is worth its weight in gold. Even in this current economy, interviewees should research the heck out of their local market salaries, position description, and competition in their field; and should have an active game plan for how to discuss the inevitable “what salary range are you interested in” conversation.
Since Amanda went straight from undergrad to her MBA program, she was just starting out with this first job of hers. If she kicks butt in the office and can quantify the benefits she’s bringing to the company (added profit, improved efficiencies, or cost savings through her work), then that’s fuel for the fire during her next performance review… and well worth a solid raise.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:16 pm
I too endorse the library option in order to save money. I was spending a small fortune on books each year, until I discovered out local library. Since it is free ($25 to non-residents - but still a bargain), all that money goes straight into the Roth IRA, where it should be :).
February 1st, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Amanda, you are the fortunate one in a million, truly unbelievable, but I guess we “gotta” take your word for it…
February 1st, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Great feat - congratulations! This girl is very smart and I wish lot more American college graduates would learn her ways of setting goals and frugality.
For all the pessimists reading this blog, why don’t you try setting financial goals and living to it. Best case you get out of debt and become wealthy, worst case you revert to what you were!
February 1st, 2010 at 8:18 pm
Amanda - Congratulations! I really enjoyed your story. I actually like hearing the numbers and the specific details of people’s stories though. I feel like I get a lot of macro, high-level advice, and sometimes it’s more inspiring to read stories where people explain step by step exactly how they paid off their debt. It’s like living proof that getting out of debt can be done!
@Alex(45), Dave (77) I agree with Dave. I have 120k in student loans and I pay 830k a month on them. It’s a mammoth amount of debt and I have to admit I very foolishly acquired it. Luckily I make enough to cover it, but if I didn’t have the debt I’d be racking up the savings right now. And let me tell you, I make 70k in an expensive city and I find it hard to make the payments.
@83 - This is excellent advice! I realized this in my 2nd year of law school, that a good portion of the evening students were working full-time (and therefore not experiencing a 3-year hole in their income) but they were also getting free law school from their employer!!
February 1st, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Great job Amanda! Working on getting out of debt is a very powerful feeling. You are in control and won’t let anything get in your way. Lase-like focus makes it fly by.
Dollars Not Debt
February 1st, 2010 at 9:37 pm
@ #86 - what are your expectations? Should Amanda provide her bank account number, and give us access to her 401K for the sake of proving her story?
@#83 - a former friend of mine, who graduated from two Ivy League Schools, Columbia(NY) and University of Chicago still had trouble landing adequate employment. we need to all re-consider debt and the role of education in our lives. education facilitates critical thinking, it can be a pathway to a promising career, but no school can guarantee a certain rate of return in terms of salary. some people teach their children that a college education should be pursued above all else and that your success is imminent once you secure a degree- nothing could be further from the truth. college is but one component of success and not even an indispensable one.
on a related note, i want to make a point not directed at a specific poster - financial security, balance, harmony, peace, health - collectively these things represent the end game - to be able to use the most precious resource humanity has, time in any way you see fit. there are a lot of legitimate and rewarding paths to get to that same place - college is but one path, but like with any path you can get derailed, with lifestyle inflation, life hampering debt - prospective students need to be mindful of these things and make conscious choices regardless of where they go to school
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
@90 DreamChaser57,
I agree with your logic on higher education. My sister went to a private school to eventually become a elementary school teacher. Her annual salary starting out was nowhere near the total cost of her 4-year tuition at that school. I went to a public college to become an engineer, and my salary after 4 years of school justified the cost of the education, and then some.
I read a year or so back that the average college grad makes $1M more in a lifetime than his/her peers without a college degree. With future rising education costs and stagnant salary growth in the business world, I forsee a time when the cost/benefit analysis of a college education will shake out in favor of less education.
Another consideration, holding off on higher education until getting a few years of work experience. Many employers are willing to help with the financial burden of tuition for their employees. Heck, I have physician friends who had 100% of their med school costs paid by the military, for 5 years of service afterwards. After that service, they go into the private sector student-loan free and making 6 figures.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Amanda, congrats on your success and thanks for sharing your story. I’m sure you’re going to have a great, financially secure future.
Here’s the problem: In your zeal to pay down debt, you cost yourself thousands of dollars. I’m sure you had a finance class or two in your MBA program. Your student loans were probably at 2% (after you factor in the tax deduction for student loan interest). In 2009, the market returned ~30%. An expected return for an asset allocation appropriate for you age should generate at least 10%.
You should have maxed out your 401k and a Roth IRA and funded a regular brokerage account before making any additional prepayments on your student loans.
2% of $29,000 = $580 (amount you saved)
30% of $29,000 = $8,700 (amount you would have made)
10% of $29,000 = $2,900 (amount expected)
Also, your emergency fund is more than 20 months’ worth of expenses. Given your work ethic and personality and education, you shouldn’t need more than 6 or 7 months to find a new job in the worst case. The rest of the money should be in the market.
You can argue that you feel better by paying down debt and having a massive stockpile of cash, that you derive utility from it. But it doesn’t make good financial sense. You’re an MBA, you should understand the opportunity cost of capital.
P.S. I’m not trying to be harsh or mean or pick on Amanda. She’s way ahead of the game and ahead of where I was 6 years ago. I just felt this needed to be said (in case anyone else is scrolling down this far).
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:15 pm
@92 mrcontrary,
Amanda indicates in her story that she’s putting money aside in a 401k and Roth IRA, so I am guessing that part of the $29k is stashed there. Not knowing her future plans, she may have her ING account set up for short term savings goals as well as an emergency fund. To each their own, I suppose.
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm
She says:
“I was 24 years old with $37,000 owed to good old Sallie Mae.”
“I have $8000 left to pay on my student loans. I also have an emergency fund of around $17,000 and have over $15,000 in my retirement accounts.”
37-8=29.
In a lot of cases, I’d a agree: To each his/her own. But there’s not alot of subjectivity in this one.
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Hey there Mr. Contrary -
I can appreciate another point of view at anytime. I do have some money in the stock market etc that I didn’t outline there because it’s not secure - plus I have to focus the article somewhere and I wasn’t going after investment strategies in this article.
Furthermore, the going rate on student loans is definitely not 2%, try almost 7% for Staffords.
Finally, I’m looking to eventually buy a house so that E-fund will turn into a house down payment. I also recently switched jobs (higher paying, less hours, sweet!) but wanted to have a little more in the bank so I could feel comfortable making a big switch (just in case it didn’t work out.) Finally, I did max out my Roth in 2009 and while I didn’t max out my 401k, I don’t want to lock away all my money for those golden years.
So, while I understand where you’re coming from, I am very comfortable with what I’ve decided to do with my money.
Always happy to hear opinions contrary to my own though and always happy to hear about investment strategies.
Thanks!
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Hello
1/ Amanda: Congrats! Well done, what a stunning success!
2/ Mr. Contrary: Lord save us: people are still saying how splendidly they could be doing, if they invested all this money in stocks and it went up 30%?!
Hello?! Are you watching the financial markets, Mr. Contrary? This lady has achieved almost financial certainty, as she paid off almost all her loans.
Whereas under your advice, she’d still be foolishly risking her loan payments to go speculate in the markets, in one of the most extraordinarily volatile period in recent years. Yes, you’re right - maybe she could make more money, maybe she could also lose her shirt. This way, she’s set, once she gets that last US$8,000 paid off.
This is why so many retirees and pre-retirees are wracked with fear, as they head into what should have been their golden years, because they gambled the rent money on foolish speculative bets, and stocks
got crushed in 2008. They weren’t stupid, they just never expected such a terrible stock slide, and they also held out for the last dollar of gains. It has been a terribly painful lesson for many pre-retirees who were mainly invested in stocks.
Mr. Contrary: did you have student debts and did you pay them off and if so how quickly?
People, there are still some harsh economic winds blowing. Don’t be 100% in stocks, and certainly, as you get older, ratchet down the stock portion a bit.
Keep an emergency fund. Suze Orman says make it 8 months.
that’s my thought! Go Amanda! SPM
February 5th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
I understand your point, mrcontrary. From a pure logical and simple monetary point of view, that makes sense - assuming the markets go up. There is some risk there.
I know you mentioned it in your post, and I’m certainly on the side of “no monthly debt payments feels pretty good”. What Amanda did had a guaranteed return, although not potentially the highest.
I guess it comes down to the simple fact that we all have different personality types and goals. Some people like security and freedom. Others have a strong stomach for risk with potential returns.
I’d guess that Amanda is more in it for security and freedom. On top of that, once she gets all her debt paid off she can put a lot more toward investment than she could if she had debt.
February 11th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
You are my idol! I’ll be taking over some of these tips! I am currently applying to grad school at the age of 27 but I hope to finish by 30! If I do… then I will apply your proven techniques to make sure to get out of debt and save for retirement. Especially the one about signing up for 10% in the 401k right away… you’ll never miss the money!