This guest post from Amanda is part of a new feature here at Get Rich Slowly. Every Sunday will include a reader story (in the new “reader stories” category). Some will be general “how I did X” stories, and others will be examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success.
In May of 2008, I graduated with my MBA from a great school. I went straight from my undergraduate career into an MBA program, so despite numerous internships, I didn’t have a great deal of work experience, nor did I have a nest egg of any kind. Luckily, what I did have was a CPA for a mother
who taught me the value of saving a buck when I was very young.
I also was able to go to school on a partial scholarship and applied for numerous others while in the program. With all this said, I went to four years of college and two years of an MBA program and came out with around $37,000 in debt. That’s a large number to swallow; however, as far as education goes, I still look at that as quite a bargain.
Back in May 2008, I was 24 years old with $37,000 owed to good old Sallie Mae. I was starting my first full-time job in June, with a salary of $65,000 plus bonus potential. It wasn’t the $90,000 others from my class were making, but I thought I was doing very well considering I wasn’t yet 35 and I wasn’t moving to a big city (like NYC or DC).
Fast forward to today, roughly a year and a half later: I have $8000 left to pay on my student loans. I also have an emergency fund of around $17,000 and have over $15,000 in my retirement accounts. I’ve gone from having about $1000 to my name (net worth of about negative $36,000) to today where my net worth (emergency fund plus retirement accounts minus remaining student loans) is approximately $24,000. I’ve paid off $29,000 and saved $32,000 in a year-and-a-half: a total of $61,000.
How did I do it? I didn’t live like a pauper, but I did and do live frugally. I didn’t do anything that any of you haven’t heard before. I have no secret that hasn’t been revealed on personal finance blogs, but nonetheless, here’s the laundry list of how I’ve tackled my debt and built my savings:
I set goals! Before I began working, I set up my budget and set stretch goals for each month on what I could save/pay off.
I paid myself first and automated my finances. I immediately set up my 401(k) with my company. I set my contribution rate to 10% and didn’t concern myself with company match whatsoever. I figured if I never knew what it was like to have that 10% in my paycheck, I’d never miss it.
I also took a couple hundred bucks (it adjusted over time so there isn’t an exact figure to put here) from each paycheck and immediately moved it over to an ING Savings Account that I set up to build my Emergency Fund. Finally, I set up a Roth IRA where any excess cash could go at the end of each month.
I got a roommate. I wanted to live in a nice, safe area with a pool and a gym. It didn’t have to be the Ritz but I wanted it to be a place I was happy to call home. After looking at the prices of such places, I knew to accomplish my financial goals, I was going to need to get a two-bedroom and split the rent. I found a great roommate and split everything down the middle with them. This kept my rent and utility bills far under the 33% suggested rate. (I paid approximately $650 in rent for those of you who like exact numbers.)
I negotiated on all utilities and kept them to a minimum. I didn’t get a home phone number; my cell phone was all I needed. I had regular cable (no fancy movie channels) and regular internet through a bundle package. I negotiated these rates to the absolute minimum offered and when they tried to raise them, I called the cable company and told them their services were not worth that amount and that I would like to cancel. It was easy and fast and worked like a charm.
I kept the heat and A/C on at limited levels. If it was hot, I used a ceiling fan rather than pump A/C through the whole house. I opened the windows and let the breeze cool off the house. When it was cold, I used heat but also wore socks, sweatpants and a sweatshirt so that I could be warm without making my house a sauna. I used a drying rack as much as possible to save on dryer costs. It also helps keep your clothes from wearing out — an added bonus!
I learned the art of couponing at the grocery store and taught myself how to cook. Every Sunday, I faithfully clipped coupons and used sites like Coupon Mom or Frugal in Virginia to help me match coupons to sales to get the lowest prices possible. This seemed daunting at first but quickly became a ten to fifteen minute routine which often saved great deals of money
I didn’t buy pre-made food: I cooked from scratch. I found this was cheaper and far healthier! All Recipes was a great and free resource so that I didn’t get bored with the same old meals.
I bought produce that was in season so I could still get fresh fruits and veggies. I also stuck with apples, bananas, and pears instead of their more expensive berry counterparts. I ate vegetarian a few meals each week. I didn’t completely take meat out of the equation but did limit my intake of it. I also grew my own. I couldn’t have a full garden but I did grow tomatoes on the back terrace.
I didn’t eat out often! I probably ate out once to twice a week to keep up with my social calendar. Instead of eating out, I invited friends to my house or met them for a pot-luck. Finally, I brought my lunch to work almost every day.
I didn’t buy Stuff. Don’t get me wrong: If I wanted something, I bought it. I just evaluated whether it was something I really needed or if that want was only temporary. Usually, I’d wait a week to see if I was still thinking about the item. When I did shop, I used coupons at the stores and Retail Me Not when shopping online. I also shopped the sale section first.
I used the library and swapped books/DVDs with friends. Instead of hitting Barnes and Nobles, I went to the library or did PaperBackSwap. I’ve never been left wanting for something good to read or watch.
I worked out and spent a lot of time hiking outside. Hiking and enjoying the great outdoors is healthy, fun and free! I also did live in a beautiful area for hiking so was very lucky in that regard.
I worked hard at my job. I busted booty to get bonuses and raises at work. I made sure that I gave 110% and that my bosses were happy with my work. Any extra money (bonuses, tax returns etc) went straight into loan repayment after a small celebratory dinner of some kind.
I made side money. This also went straight into loan repayment. I used eBay to sell items I didn’t want/need anymore. I sold books and DVDs that I no longer wanted on Amazon. I did Swagbucks. It’s amazing how easy it is to get those $5 Amazon gift cards. It’s essentially free money!
Basically, I just didn’t let myself fall victim to lifestyle inflation. I didn’t need to have the latest Coach purse or a brand new car. I took good care of what I did have and bought nice things without the ridiculous price tags. I didn’t blow money at the bar, and I built my social calendar on less expensive outings with friends (picnics, free concerts, dinner parties etc).
I turned my debt repayment into a game where it was fun to send in that big payment and I turned any shopping into a quest for a great deal. It won’t work for everyone, but it worked for me!
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Amanda;
You’re inspiring! Please keep that frame of reference & keep going. You might want to consider real property while you’re still happy with roommates. Today’s markets have incentives that were not there when I started real work in 1976.
Been there, done that, Happy Camper in this part of life!!
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I think it’s great that you’ve been able to pay down so much debt and fund retirement already!
For those naysayers who think it’s impossible to pay off debt on a low salary, I can say that my husband and I were able to pay off $25K in debt and pack away $10K in emergency savings in under 3 years on a salary of $24K while raising two kids. Next week is our one-year anniversary of being debt free! Planning, setting goals, and making a game out of getting rid of it is the key. You have to WANT to be out of debt, more than you WANT to have “stuff.”
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@#30 (Tyler) – I don’t think what cars people drive at a prospective job is an accurate indicator of their fiscal health, they could just be mindless consumers that live paycheck to paycheck.
As for the other posters, I’m surprised how so many are quick to question Amanda’s integrity or dismiss her effort because of her high salary. The fact is income is not a measure of fiscal well-being. College graduates have to battle lifestyle inflation, oftentimes the more you make the more incentive you have to “treat” yourself. Dismissing other efforts just because you assume you do not have a comparable level of privilege (income) will keep you fiscally stagnant. Feeling sorry for yourself never helps, I know I’ve tried that route. You have to just keep your nose to the grind nose and do the best you can with what you have.
Kudos to you Amanda! Thanks for sharing your fanstastic story, it was quite inspirational.
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Great job! It is hard to overcome the peer pressure to get the latest trendy clothing and accessories. As I limit buying these things, my coworkers look at me as if I’m nuts. Why do I want to drive a really high mileage car and use the same purse all yr long? I am making traction on paying down my dreadful HELL LOCK as I brown bag it, while they go out for lunch. Keep up the good work and before you know it your net worth will painlessly skyrocket.
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As somebody who is in a similar situation to Brandon L. (a lot more debt and a lower salary, but at least happily working in a profession I love), I understand the temptation to feel like – well, or course it was easy for HER.
But here’s the thing…anytime I see the success of somebody else who has had to face their financial daemons and is able to turn it around and enjoy the process of paying off debt and increasing their financial health – I’m inspired!
We all start from different places. But what I’m taking from Amanda’s story is that I CAN do it. And I can do it without being miserable the whole time. I might not be able to do it as quickly, but each time I send in a big payment, I’m on the right path to freedom. Thanks for sharing.
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The “fun” part was what I liked best in my escape from financial hell.
Sending off those fat payments to the credit card companies was like saying, “Here, take that–you’re not ripping me off anymore!”
Congrats to the author for her venture out of debt
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Congrats Amanda! My husband and I are both graduate school educated and left college with considerably more debt than you! But we have a plan to pay it off in the coming years, and we do set “stretch” goals (which we often meet) for monthly, and yearly goals. Once we meet them, we treat ourselves to a week long cruise (our favorite reward for doing good.) We combined make what you do as a single person, but we really enjoy our lifestyle and also have turned our finances into a game. We love it, and wish you the best! Great story!
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what an inspiring story Amanda, thanks for sharing.
For the people who say, “it’s so easy when you make $65k, try doing it on $30k,” you’re forgetting lifestyle creep. The way you live on $30k isn’t the same as how you lived as a student or when you made $15k. One of Amanda’s biggest successes was avoiding that lifestyle creep of gtting a nicer apartment on her one, a better car, furnishings, etc etc etc.
But it’s easier to claim her success was all down to her salary, that way you have an excuse why you haven’t done it as well.
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@Alex #45: I think that is the wrong attitude. I strongly believe you CAN do something you love and make money at it, but it doesn’t necessarily come easily or without making a logical plan of how to achieve your goals.
For example, getting into a great deal of debt training for a job that pays little is not sensible. But that does not mean you cannot get a job that pays little if that is what you really want to do in life, it just means that you need to do things like get a job to save for tuition before going to school for that profession, or getting scholarships, or working while attending school part time, or going to a state school – any number of strategies to reduce the loans taken for school. And then I think there are always ways to increase your income once you have that job you love. For example, if you’re an artist (a job that traditionally could lead to a penniless pauper kind of lifestyle), you could try avenues like selling on eBay, selling designs for commercial items like to put on snowboards or to create decals, doing graphic design for websites, making T-shirts, promoting your work online through blogs, writing a book about how to create a certain type of art… I mean, I’m just totally brainstorming here off whatever first came to mind, but my point is that you have to be proactive, like Amanda, and not just accept whatever you think the circumstances have to be, in order to gain wealth. I could run through the same exercise if your chosen profession was being an alpaca farmer, or a basketweaver, or a dessert chef. Just because you are not an MBA doesn’t mean you can’t make a lot of money by being smart about your career choices and life.
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@ Tyler: it’s asinine to point out that a 24-year-old making 65k a year “not even average, let alone good.” Like someone else said, if that’s not average for an MBA, then it’s probably because a lot of other MBAs are older and have job experience. Your post just looked like an excuse to post your salary and salary increases.
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@Jim: She’s the one who said her classmates were graduating and getting $90k/year jobs. And even if it turns out that 65k/year *is* good, it doesn’t invalidate the rest of my point – that college grads often sell themselves short by settling for simply more than they’re used to, rather than what they’re actually worth.
If you really think my comment was nothing but an excuse to post my salary (which wasn’t posted in my comment), why don’t you think the original post wasn’t anything but an excuse to post Amanda’s salary and debt-reduction skills? Is any mention of a positive personal trait inherently bragging?
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By far the best written Sunday Reader Submission so far. It was concise, to the point, and got her point across. Can you ask her to write again? I could read her articles all day =)
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Good story.
Wife and I will have cleared $78000 of debt in about 30 months of on a $60k income. This on top of paying $5000 for oral surgery, $1500 in additional dentist bills, and putting 10% down on our house. In the end, we’re talking around $95000. It has been no easy feat.
It IS possible to live so cheaply that other people don’t believe it. I got into an argument with a co-worker recently who didn’t believe that my wife and I could live under $1500 a month including mortgage and all debt payments. We pull home usually around $4000 a month.
I’ll take somethings to the extreme and bike 40 miles round trip to work once a week or so to save the $6 in gas it takes per trip to commute to work via car. The car I drive cost me $100. We live without trash service or cable TV. The thermostat in the winter is set on 55. IT CAN BE DONE!!
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good job, Amanda. there are actually only few people are like you. Hope I could be like you. It takes a lot of self-discipline which you actually have. And I envy you for that. Probably, i could start doing it slowly each month.
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Success as a goal and getting out of debt, as challenge not an obstacle, is a very stress diminishing way of living. I give you extra points for even staying healthy by hiking instead of going the Diet, Pill, Gym routine !!
I am very inspired.
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Amanda…GREAT JOB. At last someone I can relate to. I have a hard time understanding the person who barely can make their car payment and spends between $10-$12 on lunch when a $1 or $2 sandwich would actually work!
It is nice to read a story of one who understands the basic idea that paying back debt quickly, living a normal, nonflashy lifestyle is actual the “smart thing” to do!
It’s okay to NOT live like that. I’d rather live like you, Amanda than live the “high life” of big money, high stakes and wondering if it is all going to come crashing down on you and you end up bankrupt.
Keep it up. You’ll be “rich” one day and then your friends will look at you with envy and say how “lucky” you were….
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What a great example of setting yourself up with a structure for success from Day 1. I wonder how many of Amanda’s MBA classmates are on a similarly positive track?
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Congratulations, Amanda!
This is not a stick at you personally, but I still find it amazing how much people (have to…are willing to?) pay for higher education in the US, and to a lesser extent, in the UK (where I’m from).
I find this system of getting a degree so that you can earn more money than if you didn’t have one, but then end up using a lot of that money to pay for getting the degree in the first place a strange idea. I am, of course, being somewhat hypocritical, as I did this myself (though, it was considerably cheaper for me).
On a slightly more minor note, it never occurred to me NOT to use a drying rack to dry out washed clothes; even in winter, hanging stuff above or near a radiator is, for me, the normal way to dry things. Is it usual in the US to always use a drying machine?
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I’m glad to read a post from a professional in their 20s who is committed to firm financial goals.
My first professional job after getting my BA in ’05 paid $45K. I left school with paid-off credit cards and $21K in student loan debt. I drove a low mileage older car, brown-bagged it, carpooled (in St. Louis!), and paid less for rent than anyone I knew.
My goal was increasing net worth through investing, so I plowed all my extra earnings into 1) contributing up to my 401k match 2) maxing out my Roth IRA and then 3) paying down low interest student loan debt.
Celebrating milestones is key. My then-fiancee threw me a ‘zero-net-worth party’ when my savings overtook my debt. It was soon renamed ‘Drew is Worthless Party’, and was great fun.
I married a saver and today we (age 28 & 25) stand at $17K net worth despite a market downturn, my layoff and her student loans being added to the mix.
My advice to you, Amanda, is if/when you marry, get someone who shares your goals. My wife is a beautiful hard-working artist, but not the highest earner. She is however a saver. (Due primarily do her time and effort, we spent $5.5K for our wedding!) She clips coupons, we cook from scratch, we talk money without fighting, and have our financial goals right on the fridge.
Best of luck to you.
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Wow, a starting salary of $65,000!! Good for you. I graduated in 2000 with $25,000 of school loans. After ten years in the work force (I’m a land development designer), I make about $45,000. I started at $30,000.
I haven’t paid down my loans as much as you, but I have been employing the same strageties. I haven’t had cable or a home phone in 6 years.
Child care costs is what eats up my salary.
Good Luck, you are doing a great job.
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This is a fantastic story. Very inspiring!
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Good for you!! I am around your age, and am repaying my debt in a similar fashion to you. Keep it up!!
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This story is so inspiring! I wish I was as far ahead of the game when I was your age. Unfortunately, an early marriage (a subsequent divorce) derailed me for a couple of years. I was also lucky, like you, to have parents that instilled the value of saving and budgeting. At 35, I am now back on track, am debt free (except for my mortgage at 4.875%), and continuing to save for retirement while being a stay-at-home mom to two boys ages 2 and 6 months.
I echo previous posters advice that the most important thing you can do in the future is remember the importance of marrying someone with the same financial values that you have. My ex had no respect for money or finances, which was one of the many downfalls of our marriage. My current husband (and love of my life) has the same financial goals as me and that makes it very easy to work as a team in setting goals and doing what it takes to attain them.
Congratulations on your achievements!
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Congrats, Amanda! I also graduated in 2008 with a BA in Business Mgmt and Marketing and I hope to be able to post a similar story in two years regarding my husband’s student loans.
In the mean time, I am very interested in Tyler’s comment(#30), especially in this current economy. I constantly go back and forth wondering if I’m being drastically underpaid for my first “real” job out of college ($40,000)or if I should just be greatful considering how many of my peers are still working at Target or Starbucks unable to find employment with their degrees.
It just seems impossible to tell what is a good offer, given how many variables there are (industry, geography, etc.). Almost all jobs are listed as DOE, so I don’t know what the norm in my area actually is and I’m not confident enough in the internet salary calculators to waltz into an interview spouting off those numbers with any assurance that I won’t get laughed at and shown out the door. J.D., I would REALLY appreciate a post on this!
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@#74 “I constantly go back and forth wondering if I’m being drastically underpaid for my first “real” job out of college ($40,000)or if I should just be greatful”
I think that in this economy, people should just be grateful for what they can get and be happy not to be laid off. Last year, I had a fabulous interview at a company that I really wanted to work for and was offered the job. I had done my research and knew exactly what I was worth to them, but when the offer came in, it was $10k/year lower than what I was expecting. I tried to negotiate for more and they refused to pay more and then added numerous conditions for employment with them that did not exist before I tried to negotiate. I decided not to take the job.
For a while, I was really torn up about losing such a great job over money, but then I heard that some shady people at the company made up data and that the place I was going to work might not survive the year. If I had taken that job, I would be unemployed right now.
Right now, no company in the US values what people are actually “worth”. They will just go to the next lowest bidder if you think you are worth more, so take what you have and be grateful for it!
(2 years out from graduating, I am making $28k. When I started school, companies were hiring at around $40k, but they found out they could low-ball people and so they do.)
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Kudos! My husband and I married while we were in college, and did not have the benefit of being raised to be money-wise. We made a lot of mistakes when we were “young”, but have realized the error of our ways, and plan to be debt free in 2-3 years.
Regarding cooking at home saving money, I agree wholeheartedly. I guesstimate that we’ve probably saved in the neighborhood of $10,000 by cooking at home. And that isn’t living off of Hamburger Helper, either.
My husband and I are self-taught chefs (we have a couple of well-worn cookbooks, and also use allrecipes.com, or foodnetwork.com recipes). We make fantastic meals with the freshest ingredients right in our own kitchen. Buying produce in season, and learning proper methods to freeze ingredients and finished meals has translated to real dollars saved, and the prep time is about the same as if you would get into a car and drive to a restaurant (bonus – you save gas by eating at home, too).
Not only that, but our young children (ages 4 and 6) have learned to enjoy actual “real food” meals (yes, even those with visible “herbs” – LOL), and they rarely get hot dogs, canned pasta meals or frozen chicken nuggets, which also saves us money…
We’re just getting started teaching them to divide all money they get into three categories: Save, Spend and Give. They loved having *their own* money to spend on souvenirs when we went on a recent weekend trip.
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@Alex (45)
Wow, sounds like we need to stage a GRS intervention for you. $100,000 in school debt for your wife to make minimum wage and you’re still taking more school?! What in the world are you guys studying? Why did you do this to yourselves??
I really hope you’re in med school, or something else that will pay at *least* $65k/year. If you consider $65k a “huge” salary, and you’re about to find yourself well over $100k in debt… it’s going to be a long fight.
And how can you make the below comment and STILL be racking up student loans?
“I guess my point is, a great way to pay off this kind of debt more quickly would be to eliminate all those people who tell high schoolers that they can do something they love and make money at it.”
There’s nothing wrong with deciding to get a PhD in Basket Weaving if you love it and don’t care about the paycheck, but don’t dig yourself a hole and then whine that someone gave you bad advice while you dig yourself deeper.
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@Preston in 63:
You don’t have trash service? Interesting. That’s illegal around here. I wonder how much the sanitation companies slipped to our town officials to get that passed.
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@Marie in 78:
Cancelled trash about five months ago. As far as I know this is not illegal and we are not living in filth. I’m frugal but I do have standards.
We are very green and recycle a lot and are very conscious of what we are buying. When we did have service, we were averaging one can every 3-4 weeks — and it wouldn’t even be full. So we decided it wasn’t worth it.
The biggest blessing has been a recycling dumpster at a local school less than a mile away. They are also having a paper drive for charity as well, which I wouldn’t have known about had I not done this.
As far as actual trash goes, we have usually a plastic grocery bag a week which we just throw away when we get gas. That has been the biggest challenge.
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to Preston comment #63 Do you have a blog ? I’d like to read it. I could use the tips probably.My husband makes around $23,500 per year gross. We live on it with no credit cards & no govt. aide.I have picked up 1 day per week as home health aide & was full time for 1 month , till lady put me back to 1 day a week because her savings was going to fast.If you don’t have a blog could you write a guest post or an article I could read. I’d be mighty interested. Thanks, Lisa~~ That comes to $15,288 bring home.
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This was a very well-written piece, and enjoyable to read. Thanks, Amanda, and well-done to you, on both the writing, and your hugely successful management of your finances just out of graduate school. Choosing to be in a lower-cost of living city or area, fighting off lifestyle creep, electing to have a roommate and live frugally despite the fact that you have an advanced degree, etc. are not easy. You clearly made some very good choices.
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First of all, great story and I enjoyed the lively writing style.
There have been numerous comments relating to educational choices, so, Re: entry level jobs and higher education … I’d just like to point out that corporate offices in general don’t have to consider anyone without some kind of bachelor’s degree; they have plenty of applicants for every position.
A lot of firms only look at candidates with college degrees, because they can’t count on high-school graduates having ANY applicable skills and it’s a big time suck to interview those candidates.
IF you can establish that you have collegiate-level language, writing, and tech skills, you MIGHT be able to get an entry-level clerical position with the opportunity for advancement. Typically, income goes up rather fast once you start to master different proficiencies in your workplace and once you have established your professionalism.
I think the keys are, as others have said, not digging yourself in deeper, and not letting your lifestyle increase along with your income.
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Great achievement. But rather than just look for ways to save or make some small cash on the side, I would recommend looking for ways to substantially increase your income. Of all the things you can do, that would have the most impact. At a $20k pay-raise you could eat all the $10 lunches you can handle and give up on coupons and still take home much more money.
Still, a very nice achievement. There are so many people out there who have the same loans and income and REALLY struggle, big city or not. Unfortunately, many folks bite of more than they can chew, esp. if they go to a sub-par school.
My general advice on biz school, law school is that unless you can get into a top 15 program AND really have the drive to capitalize on that degree, you should avoid full-time programs. Instead get a part-time degree at a strong state school, ideally paid for by your employer. Avoid for-profit schools like Phoenix Online at ALL COSTS (low graduation rates, no respect for degree). If you ignore my advice, you run a high chance of ending up with more loans than you can reasonably stomach based on a graduating salary.
@74 – Just ask. Find people in the industry, at the company you are interested in, develop a relationship with them, invite them for coffee for lunch, and just ask … “What kind of starting salary should I expect”. Also look at glassdoor.com.
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@ Tyler (#30 and #61) –
I think Jim and others took exception to your posts because some of your words can be inferred as arrogant, or at the very least not very polite.
But the advice within the 5th paragraph of your original post (#30) is worth its weight in gold. Even in this current economy, interviewees should research the heck out of their local market salaries, position description, and competition in their field; and should have an active game plan for how to discuss the inevitable “what salary range are you interested in” conversation.
Since Amanda went straight from undergrad to her MBA program, she was just starting out with this first job of hers. If she kicks butt in the office and can quantify the benefits she’s bringing to the company (added profit, improved efficiencies, or cost savings through her work), then that’s fuel for the fire during her next performance review… and well worth a solid raise.
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I too endorse the library option in order to save money. I was spending a small fortune on books each year, until I discovered out local library. Since it is free ($25 to non-residents – but still a bargain), all that money goes straight into the Roth IRA, where it should be
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Amanda, you are the fortunate one in a million, truly unbelievable, but I guess we “gotta” take your word for it…
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Great feat – congratulations! This girl is very smart and I wish lot more American college graduates would learn her ways of setting goals and frugality.
For all the pessimists reading this blog, why don’t you try setting financial goals and living to it. Best case you get out of debt and become wealthy, worst case you revert to what you were!
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Amanda – Congratulations! I really enjoyed your story. I actually like hearing the numbers and the specific details of people’s stories though. I feel like I get a lot of macro, high-level advice, and sometimes it’s more inspiring to read stories where people explain step by step exactly how they paid off their debt. It’s like living proof that getting out of debt can be done!
@Alex(45), Dave (77) I agree with Dave. I have 120k in student loans and I pay 830k a month on them. It’s a mammoth amount of debt and I have to admit I very foolishly acquired it. Luckily I make enough to cover it, but if I didn’t have the debt I’d be racking up the savings right now. And let me tell you, I make 70k in an expensive city and I find it hard to make the payments.
@83 – This is excellent advice! I realized this in my 2nd year of law school, that a good portion of the evening students were working full-time (and therefore not experiencing a 3-year hole in their income) but they were also getting free law school from their employer!!
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Great job Amanda! Working on getting out of debt is a very powerful feeling. You are in control and won’t let anything get in your way. Lase-like focus makes it fly by.
Dollars Not Debt
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@ #86 – what are your expectations? Should Amanda provide her bank account number, and give us access to her 401K for the sake of proving her story?
@#83 – a former friend of mine, who graduated from two Ivy League Schools, Columbia(NY) and University of Chicago still had trouble landing adequate employment. we need to all re-consider debt and the role of education in our lives. education facilitates critical thinking, it can be a pathway to a promising career, but no school can guarantee a certain rate of return in terms of salary. some people teach their children that a college education should be pursued above all else and that your success is imminent once you secure a degree- nothing could be further from the truth. college is but one component of success and not even an indispensable one.
on a related note, i want to make a point not directed at a specific poster – financial security, balance, harmony, peace, health – collectively these things represent the end game – to be able to use the most precious resource humanity has, time in any way you see fit. there are a lot of legitimate and rewarding paths to get to that same place – college is but one path, but like with any path you can get derailed, with lifestyle inflation, life hampering debt – prospective students need to be mindful of these things and make conscious choices regardless of where they go to school
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@90 DreamChaser57,
I agree with your logic on higher education. My sister went to a private school to eventually become a elementary school teacher. Her annual salary starting out was nowhere near the total cost of her 4-year tuition at that school. I went to a public college to become an engineer, and my salary after 4 years of school justified the cost of the education, and then some.
I read a year or so back that the average college grad makes $1M more in a lifetime than his/her peers without a college degree. With future rising education costs and stagnant salary growth in the business world, I forsee a time when the cost/benefit analysis of a college education will shake out in favor of less education.
Another consideration, holding off on higher education until getting a few years of work experience. Many employers are willing to help with the financial burden of tuition for their employees. Heck, I have physician friends who had 100% of their med school costs paid by the military, for 5 years of service afterwards. After that service, they go into the private sector student-loan free and making 6 figures.
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Amanda, congrats on your success and thanks for sharing your story. I’m sure you’re going to have a great, financially secure future.
Here’s the problem: In your zeal to pay down debt, you cost yourself thousands of dollars. I’m sure you had a finance class or two in your MBA program. Your student loans were probably at 2% (after you factor in the tax deduction for student loan interest). In 2009, the market returned ~30%. An expected return for an asset allocation appropriate for you age should generate at least 10%.
You should have maxed out your 401k and a Roth IRA and funded a regular brokerage account before making any additional prepayments on your student loans.
2% of $29,000 = $580 (amount you saved)
30% of $29,000 = $8,700 (amount you would have made)
10% of $29,000 = $2,900 (amount expected)
Also, your emergency fund is more than 20 months’ worth of expenses. Given your work ethic and personality and education, you shouldn’t need more than 6 or 7 months to find a new job in the worst case. The rest of the money should be in the market.
You can argue that you feel better by paying down debt and having a massive stockpile of cash, that you derive utility from it. But it doesn’t make good financial sense. You’re an MBA, you should understand the opportunity cost of capital.
P.S. I’m not trying to be harsh or mean or pick on Amanda. She’s way ahead of the game and ahead of where I was 6 years ago. I just felt this needed to be said (in case anyone else is scrolling down this far).
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@92 mrcontrary,
Amanda indicates in her story that she’s putting money aside in a 401k and Roth IRA, so I am guessing that part of the $29k is stashed there. Not knowing her future plans, she may have her ING account set up for short term savings goals as well as an emergency fund. To each their own, I suppose.
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She says:
“I was 24 years old with $37,000 owed to good old Sallie Mae.”
“I have $8000 left to pay on my student loans. I also have an emergency fund of around $17,000 and have over $15,000 in my retirement accounts.”
37-8=29.
In a lot of cases, I’d a agree: To each his/her own. But there’s not alot of subjectivity in this one.
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Hey there Mr. Contrary -
I can appreciate another point of view at anytime. I do have some money in the stock market etc that I didn’t outline there because it’s not secure – plus I have to focus the article somewhere and I wasn’t going after investment strategies in this article.
Furthermore, the going rate on student loans is definitely not 2%, try almost 7% for Staffords.
Finally, I’m looking to eventually buy a house so that E-fund will turn into a house down payment. I also recently switched jobs (higher paying, less hours, sweet!) but wanted to have a little more in the bank so I could feel comfortable making a big switch (just in case it didn’t work out.) Finally, I did max out my Roth in 2009 and while I didn’t max out my 401k, I don’t want to lock away all my money for those golden years.
So, while I understand where you’re coming from, I am very comfortable with what I’ve decided to do with my money.
Always happy to hear opinions contrary to my own though and always happy to hear about investment strategies.
Thanks!
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Hello
1/ Amanda: Congrats! Well done, what a stunning success!
2/ Mr. Contrary: Lord save us: people are still saying how splendidly they could be doing, if they invested all this money in stocks and it went up 30%?!
Hello?! Are you watching the financial markets, Mr. Contrary? This lady has achieved almost financial certainty, as she paid off almost all her loans.
Whereas under your advice, she’d still be foolishly risking her loan payments to go speculate in the markets, in one of the most extraordinarily volatile period in recent years. Yes, you’re right – maybe she could make more money, maybe she could also lose her shirt. This way, she’s set, once she gets that last US$8,000 paid off.
This is why so many retirees and pre-retirees are wracked with fear, as they head into what should have been their golden years, because they gambled the rent money on foolish speculative bets, and stocks
got crushed in 2008. They weren’t stupid, they just never expected such a terrible stock slide, and they also held out for the last dollar of gains. It has been a terribly painful lesson for many pre-retirees who were mainly invested in stocks.
Mr. Contrary: did you have student debts and did you pay them off and if so how quickly?
People, there are still some harsh economic winds blowing. Don’t be 100% in stocks, and certainly, as you get older, ratchet down the stock portion a bit.
Keep an emergency fund. Suze Orman says make it 8 months.
that’s my thought! Go Amanda! SPM
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I understand your point, mrcontrary. From a pure logical and simple monetary point of view, that makes sense – assuming the markets go up. There is some risk there.
I know you mentioned it in your post, and I’m certainly on the side of “no monthly debt payments feels pretty good”. What Amanda did had a guaranteed return, although not potentially the highest.
I guess it comes down to the simple fact that we all have different personality types and goals. Some people like security and freedom. Others have a strong stomach for risk with potential returns.
I’d guess that Amanda is more in it for security and freedom. On top of that, once she gets all her debt paid off she can put a lot more toward investment than she could if she had debt.
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You are my idol! I’ll be taking over some of these tips! I am currently applying to grad school at the age of 27 but I hope to finish by 30! If I do… then I will apply your proven techniques to make sure to get out of debt and save for retirement. Especially the one about signing up for 10% in the 401k right away… you’ll never miss the money!
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