Reader Story: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Moved in with Mom
Published on - February 7th, 2010 (by J.D. Roth) This guest post from Lizzie is part of a new feature here at Get Rich Slowly. Every Sunday will include a reader story (in the new “reader stories” category). Some will be general “how I did X” stories, and others will be examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success.
Confession time: I read Get Rich Slowly on a daily basis. Phew, that was easier than I thought! Two years ago the major confession would have been the balance on my credit cards. I found this blog about the time I was just starting my own personal finance journey. Like many new college grads, I was in major credit card debt with a salary that barely covered rent and food — not that I ever really tried living within its confines.
Before I paid off my credit cards, I worried needlessly about things that were out of my control. Oddly, they were not all related to money. I worried that my dad would have a heart attack (he’s in fine health). I worried that my bus would get me to work late (never happened). But the big worry was that people would learn how much debt I was in and think I was living a lie (which I was).
The wakeup my 23-year old self needed was realizing how much I disliked my current job. I was terrified of leaving, couldn’t imagine staying and felt stuck. Looking back, it’s easy to say the rest is history after that moment, but every single day of paying off my debt was a challenge. I needed drastic action in order to change the course of my financial life, and here’s what I did:
- I moved in with Mom and Dad. This was weird, embarrassing and uncomfortable at first. But I love my parents dearly and we learned to cohabitate in a way that didn’t make me feel 16 again. I spent 15 months saving on rent to pay off my credit cards.
- I took a high-paying administrative job. It’s not like I dreamed of graduating college to become an assistant, but I found a corporate assistant position (that did not require I transport kids, cook diner or manage a household for someone else) and now I get all the same gold-plated benefits as my bosses.
- I make a budget. I don’t do anything fancy. I prefer to use a post-it note and map out my spending plan for each of the next four weeks. Weekly budgeting is key for me since I’m paid every Friday.
- I use cash as often as possible. I do my best to keep spending money in cash form, a popular technique for those trying to spend less. It “hurts more” to use paper money than plastic debit or credit cards.
Now that I’m on stable footing again, I’ve resumed my life as a normal 20-something. I moved to an apartment that I share with two roommates. Together we can afford more apartment that anyone could separately and it works. I have let credit back in, by using my Banana Republic card in a way that maximizes my reward potential and lowers the cost of my work clothes. I don’t worry about my financial future anymore because I know I’ve learned some very powerful lessons.
The best part of paying off debt is that I can dream again. This fall I applied to graduate school. Next I’ll be starting a side business based on my administrative skills. Most importantly, I’ll continue to read Get Rich Slowly because I like being part of a community of people constantly working to better themselves!
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Lizzie,
I really appreciate your story and the sacrifices you made. Congratulations! I think moving back in with your parents was a good idea and it’s nice that it wasn’t like becoming a 16 year old again. You saw the need for some drastic changes and you did it. Now you’re on the road to success! Let us know how you’re doing in the future.
- James
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It’s fantastic that you have that kind of relationship with your parents! It’s all about making tough decisions and it looks like you have paved a wonderful road ahead of you. Keep it up and keep the GRS community posted. =)
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I am glad you got out of debt but I am missing a few facts in the story. How much debt did you have? How long did it take to get out of debt?
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So often you read articles about kids returning to the nest with a vague idea of paying down/off debt but it never happens. Instead the relationship sours and the debt increases. Glad to hear you used the mom/dad situation as a solution to debt rather than a reason to escape financial responsibilities. Way to go.
I wish I was that smart when I was a 20 something!
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I always hate people our age that move back home to become lazy bums playing PS3 in their underwear drinking Coke all day. But what you did was smart AND temporary. You were in trouble, your parents helped you out, and you got back on your feet. This is truly admirable.
I don’t get along with my parents so I probably would not do that, but if I had to, they would take me in as well, as long as I got my stuff together.
Good Job.
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Thanks for the story Lizzie! I believe you made the right choice of moving back in with your parents. I know sometimes this can be impossible because of household arrangements. To move back in with my parents would be next to impossible right now.
In the next 5 – 10 years, my girlfriend and I plan on living together with my parents when they decide to retire. The goal is to sell both of our houses and get one custom house with a large piece of property. They will be on one side of the house, we will be on the other side, and we meet in the middle somewhere. The other option is to build two separate houses on the same lot.
By doing this, we will have a lower (or no) mortgage payment, they will be able to watch future children (if we decide to have any), and everyone will be able to save more money to do the things we want to do in life. The saving of money is important especially with the market and my parent’s retirement fund taking a huge hit.
Keep it up and never stop dreaming!
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It’s sad really how Americans started to view ‘living with parents’ as something only slackers do. I did it at 32 to start my own business, and it would have been impossible otherwise. I literally lived in their walk-in storage room for 18 months – I had already paid off my C cards and debt.
I comment you for doing something similar and for showing people how it can work.
I know people in Europe who think it’s natural for extended family to live together- even having buildings set up for children to live in the house after they are married and to raise kids. They see it as being a good family – it would be nice if Americans started thiniing the same -
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Nothing wrong with living with Mom and Dad for a while to get your debt paid off. The only flaw, in my opinion, is going back to using credit especially a store brand card with a high interest rate (assuming here). In your situation, I would stay away from credit and continue to use cash.
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Perhaps she uses the Banana Republic card for convenience and rewards, and pays it off every month. I wish the post had more detail on that, because Sam makes a good point.
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Hey Lizzie,
According to the NY Times article “Economy is Forcing Young Adults Back Home in Big Numbers, a Survey Finds”, 10% of adults under 35 have moved back home with their parents for financial reasons.
I’m 23 and of my friends who are fully employed, I would say half of them live at home and half live on their own. I think living with your folks after graduation is much more commonplace in areas where the cost of living is really high (ex: a 1 br in New York City runs $1,500/month on the low end) but I think it’s becoming more socially acceptable to spend a couple of years after graduation living with mom and dad to build a small nest egg.
Good luck!
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Great post Lizzie! It’s great to hear from the 20 something crowd. I created my debt in my late 20′s and didn’t start a plan to get out of it until my late 30′s. My only regret is that I would have started saving right out of college. It can sound so boring to be responsible with your money but with how easy it is to create huge amounts of debt when your young its becoming imperative.
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Good for you Lizzie! I really like the comment above about European families continuing to live together. I know it’s seen as a negative in American society, but if everyone gets along, why not?
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I’m glad your parents were there to help you out when you needed it and like other commenters have said, it’s nice to hear a story where someone didn’t take advantage of their parents’ generosity. Good for you!
I went to a college that was fairly close to home and moved back home after my first year. I commuted for another 2 1/2 years before graduating. I paid for my college education using scholarships and a part time job, but I doubt I would have been able to graduate debt free if I hadn’t lived at home during that time.
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I would rather live under a bridge in a box than with my parents, but it’s great to hear that others have better relationships with theirs.
Regarding people living with parents in Europe, it very much depends on where you are from. In the south, like Spain and Italy, it is rather common for people to live with their parents for cultural reasons, and in the poorer East it is common for some, but for economic reasons.
But In the north and western Europe it is definitely not socially accepted to live with your parents when you are older than 20.
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Hi Lizzie!
As a woman in my 20′s about to graduate from university in a couple of months all I can say is: I feel your pain sister!
Exactly a few days ago I’ve come to the realization how huge a change it will be and that I need to take extra-care of myself from now on, also financially. And that’s how I came around on this page. Started to educate myself, changed my bank, opened a savings account, looking for a second part-time job and for the first time and feel I am on my way to actually getting my stuff under control. You’re talking to a girl who’s never tracked her spendings or checked her bank statement at the end of the month!
Keep your fingers crossed, hope all works out fine. Just as it did with you. At the moment it’s all pretty exciting but somewhat scary.
Cheers from Poland!
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I’d like to hear more details about this story! Not the numbers, necessarily, but how did cohabiting work? How did you make the job change happen? What’s the rationale for graduate school and how are you making that happen? What about the side business?
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I did the same thing! I was a victim of credit card companies acting as predators on college campuses and before I knew it I was $6000 in debt with credit cards, plus my $60k in students loans. I got a good job with a starting salary of $36k ( I thought I would be living pretty) and got my own apartment to rent. Once I started having to pay my loans back and pay credit cards and all the other living expenses I knew I was in trouble. I actually sought out nonprofit credit counseling because I really didn’t know what I was doing and needed help. A year later I gave up my apartment and finally confessed to my parents the amount of debt I was in and how upset I was about it. I convinced them to let me stay there for 6 months to save money. In that time I paid off my cards and saved $5k for grad school. That was the only way I could have done it.
I get really angry when I see, hear, and read stories about grads moving back in with parents because they blame the grads or assume laziness or excessive shopping or something. The reality is that I used credit cards for food and sometimes even to pay rent and utilities. I’m not proud of it but that coupled with the burden of student loans is the reality for most college grads now that have to survive and graduate without help from parents (which was my case). I really wasn’t educated at all about money from my parents, teachers, or counselors and just did what I was told, which resulted in enormous debt that I will be paying off for a long time. That is the norm now in our country and my friends and I commiserate monthly about good old Sallie Mae.
There are several books on this subject- why the 20 something now are “generation debt” because of the high cost of education, lack of affordable housing, low starting salaries, and massive student loan and credit card debt.
Sorry for the long post but as you can see this is an important issue for my peers and I today. Good for you for ignoring the stigma and doing what was necessary for financial freedom!!!
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Ha ha–I was going to say I’d rather live under a bridge in a cardboard box than with my parents, but Bananen beat me to it! It’s nice that you have that kind of relationship with yours.
Just please, be very careful about any kind of debt from now on. I’ve paid down our credit cards more times than I can count, and somehow they always sneak up again. Don’t be like me!
I, too, am intrigued by what your side business is. I have similar skills, and would LOVE to use them for a home business, but I have no idea how. I wish you luck in your endeavours!
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The more I read written by self-descirbed “20-somethings” online, the more I realize that, despite my age, I do not fit into that demographic, and haven’t since I was about 24.
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@Bananen: I currently live in Germany and here it is very common for 3 generations to live under one roof. Often the parents cook alot and the offspring don’t have to spend as much of their time and resources on meal-prep/eating out. I find it refreshing, because for people pursuing big-time goals footing large expenses to live on their own hinders their progress. The key is to think long term. As long as everyone is contributing (some pay their parents rent, others don’t, it depends on the situation) and working toward goals, I think the European model is much more healthy than the American one. IMHO the heavy emphasis on independence in the States is often more detrimental than helpful.
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Wish I could have had parents like yours. My dad wanted me out of the nest ASAP. Good for you for taking sensible steps and sharing the info here. I’m sure people of all ages are having to rely on family more with unemployment #’s being what they are.
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I don’t think you are ever too old to move back in with your parents. About 5 years ago my 65 yr old aunt and her husband sold their house (much quicker than anticipated) while their new home was being built. They moved in with her 85 yr old mother, my grandmother, for 9 months. Sure they were a bit uncomfortable, but money was saved (which is even important when you are older and stable).
My 40 year old sister lived at home until she was 35. In the mean time she was saving enough money to buy a farm to raise her horses and a house. She owns them both outright now. She paid rent to my parents, although not much.
I always know that no matter how bad things might get I can always move back in with mom and dad. I can’t imagine too many scenarios where they wouldn’t allow me to move back in. It’s like the ultimate emergency fund.
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I have to admit I totally understand why you were embarassed to move in with your parents after college because I can’t help but judge folks who take that spot.
But I think it’s so awesome that you started off with a plan and really stuck to it and now you’re in a position where you have options about what you want to do with yourself in the next few years. I’m impressed that you’ll be starting own business too, that’s one thing I’ve just never figured out how to do with my professional skills.
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No way on earth would I ever crawl back to my parent’s house to live with them because I got myself into trouble. Despite what people think about the “predatory” lending in this country, people still signed on the bottom line. And if you have to take a semester or two off from college to work full time to save money for next semester’s tuition, then that’s what you do. I hate the excuse of ‘I didn’t know better” follwed by “its not my fault.” I think that is a major flaw in American thinking these days. I made mistakes in college, I took on debt, etc etc, but I lived with the consequences of my actions, and we are working on getting out of debt now. I don’t blame the credit card companies or the student loan companies, I blame myself for doing it. I am really happy to hear this writer was using the time home to her things straightened out, and I really applaud her for that. I think every person needs to know what it is like to live on their own without their mommy and daddy. Mom and Dad don’t live forever, and if the first experience you have with dealing with “real life” is after they pass away, it will not be a positive situation. So I strongly encourage people to live on their own for some time, and if they move back home to help parents who are failing in their health, or whatever reason, then great. But I know way too many people in their 20′s and 30′s who live home, eat mom’s food, mom washes their clothes, pays their cell phone bill and car insurance, and they don’t have a care in the world. Those people need to take a lesson from this writer and turn their own lives around! Congrats to you and your journey!
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Hi Lizzie – I found your storie very inspiring. I work with a lot of other recent graduates who are just interested in moving out of their parents house without thinking about their long-term plans. I think you are off to a great start by not having debt, you can only do better from here.
I am curious about what kind of adminstrative side business you going to have?
Thanks for the post!
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Interesting. This post turned into comments about moving back with the folks.
I did it a few times in my life. And I’m very appreciative for that safety valve.
Makes me think about my son in prison. I’d love to take him in when he gets released, but he at times gets violent. My wife does not feel safe.
I help him in other ways, but nothing would be better than to allow him to stay with me.
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I am curious as to what your side business will be with administrative skills! How do you freelance that skill set?
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Great story–reminds me of the serenity prayer.
Plus, I’d imagine you probably had to swallow a little pride to move back in with M & D, but I think that’s even more admirable.
Good luck to you!
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Thanks for this story. It helped me realize that I’m actually doing something similar and it’s kind of a smart financial move. I left my low-paying social service “dream job” for an administrative assistant position with amazing benefits – including free tuition. When I leave this job, I’ll have a master’s degree that I can use to try to land another dream job and I’ll have all my undergrad debt paid off… and I won’t yet be 30.
Reading Lizzie’s similar story helped me realize this wasn’t such a crazy move, after all. Thanks, Lizzie – and congrats!
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Nice play on the Dr. Strangeglove title. Surprised no one else caught it yet.
Congratulations you are setting yourself up for a long and fruitful adulthood.
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My fiance wants us to move in with his parents. I’d have to be facing death by starvation before I agreed to move in with either his parents or mine. I’m too independent for that.
Good for you that you were able to move in and move back out. I see too many people my age that live with their parents because being an adult is too hard. I see them as people that never really left the college mentality.
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Its great you have such a good relationship with your family that you can do that. Sometimes people are too prideful to make decisions which could be good for them, and this is where you thought objectively instead of with your feelings.
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Yay! Jay (#30) got my clever title. I thought I was pretty funny when I came up with that one, and I hoped somebody would get it.
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I didn’t have CC debt, only some student loans, but I did decide to live with my parents and commute (up to 2.5 hrs round trip in traffic) during grad school to save money – rent is really high in this area and with my boyfriend long-distance at another school, I didn’t really want to go back to having roommates. I did work for a few years after college and had a very independent lifestyle, so it can be kind of a challenge to feel like I’m not 16, as the contributor said, but it has been working out nicely and allowing me to stay out of massive grad school debt. When I finish school and can start my professional life again, I know it will have been well worth it.
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@Sarah #17, thank you for pointing out that it isn’t always irresponsibility that generates credit card debt. My boyfriend had quite a bit when we graduated because for various reasons his financial aid dropped off near the end and he ended up using it to pay his student fees and for the necessities, which can add up fast. He might have been able to get a private loan but didn’t really have the time to coordinate it, would have needed a cosigner, etc. He paid it off in less than two years by working and living frugally, just as he had done all through college.
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This is my favourite of the reader stories so far. I’m also 23, and this is the kind of story that resonates the most with me — people in my age group dealing with similar problems. I haven’t had to move in with my parents, but I know a lot of people who couldn’t afford their rent anymore and moved back home.
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Thank you for sharing this experience. I loved with my parents for 4 years, from age 24-28, and I too was embarrassed at first. But I’d been living and working abroad and, when I moved back, my converted-to-US-dollars-and-cost-of-living savings weren’t enough for a security deposit. I comforted myself with the realization that in Spain, where I’d been living, it was common for children to live at home until they married. In fact, in most countries multi-generational living is common. It made me reassess our cultural push towards individualism-at-all-costs and realize that starting level salaries of $36K in large cities are near-poverty level wages for those with even minimal debt. Family living helped me manage all that.
With a perspective shift, I used living with my parents an opportunity to pull my financial life together and also repair my relationship with my family (I’d initially been one of those “couldn’t live with my parents if they were the last people on earth” believers). I could take a lower level job and work my way up in a desired field – I could afford to “pay my dues” and therefore get ahead. I saved like crazy and now have a great emergency fund, a car without debt, retirement savings, and a baseline for success.
For the commenters asking how to manage these situations, I should be clear that it’s not for everyone: living at home was terrible for my brother who didn’t feel any pressure to really look for work until he moved out, but it worked for me. It helps that we set strict rules: I saved my “rent” each month (if I hadn’t done it myself, they would have required rent that THEY put into a savings account). I also cooked my own meals and did my own laundry – no relying on family for free home services. We also had to treat each other as roommates and with respect for each others’ living needs.
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I hate the holier-than-thou, lecturing posts about how college students are irresponsible and need to suck it up and not expect to be bailed out.
For one thing, since when is accepting help from your closest family shameful? Especially when working full time and living frugally to pay debt. That’s what families are for. My family has helped me in hard times and you can bet I’ll be there for them when they need it.
As for irresponsible college students, some are, just like some adults are. But most of the people I know who came out of college in debt (myself included) ended up there due to the following scenario: Going to a public university with low tuition either on a scholarship, or with tuition paid by parents who don’t make much. Having to support yourself otherwise (rent, food, books, etc) without any help.
I worked 25-30 hours per week all through college to pay my rent and utilities, food, etc. My parents were very anti-loan, and they paid for any tuition my scholarships didn’t cover, but they couldn’t afford to just pay my rent, etc. I passed up a lot of opportunities like studying abroad because of finances. When I couldn’t cover it, I put my groceries on a credit card. When I had to buy books I couldn’t cover, credit card. Most months I paid the bill in full, some I couldn’t. And in reality, coming out of college with $5-10k in credit card debt is far from ideal, but it’s awesome not to have any student loans. If I had borrowed the money to cover my needs, I wouldn’t have had the incentive to live frugally or developed the work ethic I did. I would have probably had a more fun college experience, and graduated with $60k in loans and no credit card debt. I don’t really see that one scenario is more or less “responsible” than the other.
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Thanks for sharing this experience. After moving out, living on my own, and trying to make it, I realized that no one wants to hire me, whether for a regular job or for freelancing, so I’m forced to move back in with my parents. Unfortunately my own relationship with my parents isn’t as strong as yours seems to be, so the next few months will be interesting.
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Its definitely a privilege to have 1. parents who are still alive. 2. a close bond with your parents. 3. parents who are mentally and emotionally stable (and not on drugs!). 4. parents who are somewhat financially stable themselves and can provide at the very least a sofa to sleep on.
I think its wonderful that you were able to move in with your parents, for the time that you did. In this day and age, it would be a shame to feel ashamed for doing so.
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Well done Lizzie….and thanks for sharing! I’m nearly double your age and can only dream that I had the same wakeup call all those years ago!!
But, as the saying goes…better late than never. Good luck with your future endeavours Lizzie…I’m sure you will live a life worth living!
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I agree. Cash feels much more real.
When I use my debit card I tend not to notice the price as much or the total.
I spend less with cash.
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Good for you, Lizzie! I don’t think family helping family should be an embarassing thing. I had to move back home for four years when I was 30, with my toddler while recovering from a bad divorce. My parents never made me feel ashamed. My older brother moved back home for a couple years at the same time. We both had solid plans, paid rent and helped with all kinds of “chores”. It was quite bumpy at times, but it brought us all closer, got us back on our feet, and provided a wonderful foundation for my little girl. My mother died less than two years after I moved out, so I’m really glad we had that time together.
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Boy, I MUST be getting older, when I start to view this story from the parents’ side of things:
*Did they WANT Lizzie to move back in…or did they agree because they loved her, and knew she had nowhere else to go?
*And who covered the increased $$ the folks had to pay for utilities, food and such? Lizzie, did you pay RENT? (I am amazed that very, very few of the posts here even mention this word.)
If you’re going to move back in with other family members, bear in mind that someone else is sacrificing so you can do just that — and use the magic words THANK YOU.
And some regular contributions – rent, effort, etc. – wouldn’t hurt, either. (Yay, Mary, on comment #43, for suggesting it!)
From the parents’ angle, it’s not always just the $$ — it’s the discipline that the money represents. The daughter of old friends lived with us one summer, while saving money and working for the Renaissance Fair. (Her parents were missionaries in Hungary.) We didn’t need the bucks, but we did want her to take us seriously. So we charged her rent, banked the money, then gave it back when she moved out. She was surprised and pleased at the extra nest egg.
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The comments are most interesting. I guess I’d channel J.D. and say ‘do what works for you.’ I don’t see any shame in moving back in with your parents so long as you’re working hard, have goals, and make good use of the assistance. I’m sure someday those parents will be needing assistance, too.
As someone who works as an executive assistant for a living, and has done so for the past decade, I was somewhat taken aback that Lizzie felt it necessary to explain that corporate administrative work does not include transporting children, cooking meals, or running a family. Of course it doesn’t. It’s a professional office job.
Perhaps she needed to explain that to the same judgmental individuals who went to college in the days that it was highly affordable, way back in the 50′s.
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@Alexandria, #24 – I totally agree with you 100%!
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Having recently graduated college with some student loans, I’ll offer my opinion as to why things are as they are these days.
In high school, the constant chant you hear from all around is: “Go to college and have a good life!” All the while, you’re taking an economics class which teaches you supply and demand curves, but offers no practical advice on personal finance (such as this site offers). Don’t even get me started on all of the people who suggest you should “do what you love.”
You show up in college and there are countless different expenses to be accounted for. Generally, you’re encouraged to file for financial aid even if you have other plans. Ultimately, the siren song of student loans calls out to many students. After all, all of the experts say that one should treat college as a full-time job, and that spending too much time working outside of school could affect your studies. Plus, if you do great in school, the amazing job you’ll get after graduation will more than compensate for your student loan payments!
On top of that, there are incessant suggestions that you should major in something you enjoy, and not what will make lots of money. Rarely would you hear any practical advice on life (for example: to pick up a valuable skill that would help you get better jobs).
Then you graduate.
This is where hard reality sets in. Unfortunately, there are only so many jobs out there for English majors (or for many other majors as well). Among those jobs, very few pay enough to cover the massive debt amounts that many graduates have.
Of course people need to get a grip on reality. You can’t blame the financial institutions, nor the government, nor the colleges and universities. No one forces people into student loans (although the credit card companies did have some rather questionable practices). That said, the reality is rather harsh for many graduates out there. It was for me, graduating into one of the worst recessions in a long time. Despite graduating with a high GPA and summa cum laude honors from a top public university, the job prospects have been dismal at best.
I don’t expect anyone to save me from my situation. I’m just suggesting that we educate our youth a little better. In economics classes, we should take at least a little time to teach them basic personal finance. When encouraging them to get an education, we should inject some practical advice as well, such as suggesting that they pick up useful skills during their education. An English major is fine as long as they pick up a marketable skill along with it, such as proficiency in a foreign language.
I know this advice may seem trivial to some on this site. I know some of you (Tyler K) were born with a superior intellect and knowledge of everything. Despite this, I have noticed that a large number of people who come to this site tend to have similar stories (including J.D. himself). That story can be boiled down to this: “I was careless with my finances and wasn’t educated about finance.” So many people with the same story, and yet here we are, pushing generation after generation through college without teaching them basic, but important lessons that will last them their entire lives.
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I think it’s easy to judge people that move back home (or stay at home), but it’s something that many people have to do. A friend of mine in his 30′s had to move home post-divorce, and a friend in her 50′s is planning on moving home, also post-divorce. I know if I was struggling financially, I would view living with family as an option. In many cultures it’s common to live with family – it may not be the social norm here, but that doesn’t mean it we look down on the idea.
Congrats Lizzie!
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Kudos to you! I’ve done something similar and it really helped me build up and emergency fund and build up retirement savings. And I have an even closer bond with my family. Many parents are okay with this, especially more recent immigrant families (like mine). There’s no shame involved, whenever I felt bad I realized it was other people trying to make me feel bad.
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We haven’t even had kids yet, but I’m already eyeing the separate apartment in the basement of our new house, imagining my future 20-something kid down there playing the PS6, eating New and Improved Peanut Butter Mayonnaise Smash Doritos… sigh.
Kudos to the author for moving back in for a good reason, getting things straightened out, and moving on with her life!
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