For nearly a decade, I lived without a personal credit card. In 1998, I destroyed all my cards and canceled my accounts in a last-ditch effort to curb my compulsive spending. It worked (sort of), and it wasn’t until 2007 that I finally felt like I was responsible enough to use credit wisely without going into debt. (And so far, it’s been smooth sailing.)
What was it like without credit? Surprisingly easy, actually. Though a lot of folks will tell you that it’s impossible to rent cars or get a hotel room without a credit card, that’s just not so. A debit card lets you do all of these things, too. (Though, to be fair, companies will often put “holds” of several hundred dollars on a debit card when you rent cars or stay in hotels.)
To be honest, I didn’t miss having a credit card when I was living without one. I never encountered a situation where a credit card was required. Not once.
Writing in this morning’s USA Today, Sandra Block says that more and more consumers are saying “no” to credit cards:
In a country where the average consumer owns five credit cards, [folks without credit cards] may seem somewhat quaint, like an Amish farmer who drives a horse-drawn buggy. But proponents of a no-credit-card lifestyle say there’s nothing old-fashioned about their choices. And they’re convinced that their numbers will grow as consumers become increasingly disenchanted with credit card industry practices.
The author points out that credit card usage is slowing rapidly. National credit card debt fell by nearly 20% in November; new credit card accounts are down almost 50% from a year ago; and even folks who do use credit (73% of Americans, according to the Federal Reserve) are using credit less often. (IndexCreditCards.com, a credit card comparison website, also released a report on how average credit card debt has dropped to $3,752 from $4,013 in their last report from July 2009.)
Block’s article profiles several Americans who have decided to declare: “No credit needed!” Among them:
- Emily Maddox (24 years old), who has never had a credit card and has no plans to get one. They make her nervous.
- Dann Zinke (22), who is saving for college. He thinks credit cards are a hassle.
- Our very own GRS staff writer, Adam Baker (25), who opts to live without credit cards because it’s easier to track spending and helps him live a simpler lifestyle.
- Luis Rosas-Guyon (37), who finds that since he gave up credit cards ten yeas ago, his life is less stressful.
- Tim McFarlin (34), who ditched credit cards because he thinks the industry’s practices are unfair to consumers.
There are tons of different reasons to live without credit cards. (For my book, I interviewed three different folks who live by the “no credit needed” motto, and each had a different motivation.) The policy has some drawbacks — credit cards do offer consumer protection and other benefits, and they help you build your credit score — but I know from first-hand experience that living without them is a perfectly valid choice. It’s not only possible, but can be profitable as well.
How many of you live without credit or have done so in the past? I know from past conversations that there are some die-hard credit-card users around here (and these are folks who use them wisely, not irresponsibly), and there are also some die-hard “no credit needed” folks. I think both camps have merit, and the important thing, as always, is to do what works for you.
[USA Today: More consumers just say no to credit cards]
This article is about Choices, Credit Cards, Debt Monday, 8th February 2010 (by J.D. Roth)


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February 8th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
I’m 26 and live at home with my parents. I do not have a credit card. Plenty of folks have told me that I will need one to build credit when I want to rent an apartment and buy a car or house. I am probably a mix of all of the above reasons. As a full-time student who needs to save money, I don’t see what the point is, it’s a hassle to make sure bills are paid, I don’t like what the finance world is doing to the little people, I don’t want to go crazy with credit spending, and I haven’t needed one yet. Also, I enjoy that this post is sitting next to 5 advertisements for credit cards. =D
February 8th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
My only concern with not having a credit card is that it is possibly the easiest access to money in an emergency. With my emergency fund locked up at ING the transfer to my regular checking account is 3 days, and sometmes that is too long to wait. I could try and play the float with my checking account but that is something that I do not want to chance.
About 2 years ago the furnace blew up in the middle of winter. I could have stayed in a hotel for a couple of days and let the money transfer back in to pay for a new system, but it was easier to just put the furnace and install charges on my credit card then pay the credit card off once the money arrived.
I will not be giving up my credit card anytime soon for reasons just like that, peace of mind.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
@Jay: I think that you should probably move the emergency fund to a more accessible account. The point of an “emergency” fund is to be readily available, not to generate interest.
Regarding the “credit building” reason to have a credit card, I actually advocate to paying even a house or a car in cash, otherwise you are just giving away your money in interests (thats my personal opinion).
Nice post and very very nice blog JD, I started my financial journey thanks to Dave Ramsey’s book a couple of months ago and I have to say its nice to find many people that are doing the same as me.
Luis Q - Guatemala
February 8th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
@nomuskles (#1)
Yeah, I knew even when I was writing this that the credit card ads would “auto-magically” be tagged to this post. Haha. Gotta love the irony.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
I fought against credit cards and lost due to my lack of discipline, but now I have almost conquered my credit card debt. I personally know I cannot handle credit cards responsibly, even though I have become a lot more responsible with my finances in general. That’s how I know I need to get rid of the cards. I like having simple finances, and credit cards only complicate things.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Its interesting - and probably really really smart - that people are using credit cards less now than in the past couple years on average, because I actually use my card more now that ever before. I always pay off the balance every month and charge almost everything specifically so I can build up rewards points. My partner and I are living on a student loan for the academic year, and anything that makes us a bit of extra cash is good in my book.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I believe it’s all about control and one’s ability identifying what’s required and what’s not! Right now I have 4 credit cards but I just use one of them (rewards
) But yes if one had debt and really needs to control, living w/o cards sounds like a good idea.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
I use credit cards. I use em like cash with the added benefit of protection though.
I make small buys like I would with cash. Gas, without needing to walk inside.
Grocery without needing to bring home .63 cents in change.
And also I use the credit card for some dinners out.
Just cause I’m given a $10,000 credit limit on a card though doesn’t mean I run to Best Buy and buy the best TV under 10 grand.
I still buy the same $200 tv that I would buy and pay off in full with cash.
Why do I use a credit card than?
Well most people who pay cash are paying the same premium that credit card holders are asked to pay for things.
When you’re at best buy a mouse is $25 before tax regardless how you pay but the cash folks are propping up the credit card folks cause you know merchants tack on the small % fees visa/mc charges them for the transaction.
Why pay cash and still have to front that transaction fee, right?
Second I got a credit card with a decent interest rate, not that it ever matters when I pay in full and make 2 or 3 payments within each pay period to knock that down to zero.
Also incase I had a broke down car, and don’t have $400 in my wallet in cash, how am I suppose to drive to the bank to get that money for the mechanic to work on my car when my car doesn’t run?
Lastly, I get my 1% cashback so $1 per $100 spent. That’s that visa transaction fee there. Benefits the responsible card user while punishes the irresponsible card users.
There is ultimately a decipline between just being responsible and irresponsible financially.
It has nothing to do with the payment method chosen. I mean I could be the same person to throw $10,000 in cash on junk as I do with a $10,000 credit limit but I don’t. Suffice it to say $10,000 cash on junk puts you at $0, while $10,000 charge puts you ay -$10,000
Its all about personal financial responsibility and getting what you can afford. Whose to say you can’t own things if you worked for them right?
February 8th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
I think as long as you’re paying off the credit card monthly, there’s no reason not to take advantage of no annual fee, cash back cards. I know JD’s done a few articles around cash back accounts.
I personally use blue cash from AMEX and it’s great for those who spend more than $6500/year. You can also set up certain monthly bills to be paid for by your card. You’ve already budgeted for that expense, why not earn cash back on it?
For those who track expenses online or with Quicken, it’s also easy to tag purchases so they go into the right basket. This is much easier to remember where you spend a few dollars than tracking a piece of paper that says “I spent $x.xx at XYZ store”
My 2 cents!
February 8th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
I would never live without a credit card for a couple of reasons. One, you can’t rent a car without one. I like to travel, and I can’t imagine being encumbered by an inability to rent a car. Two, I make occasional purchases online. It is much riskier to use a debit card or PayPal account tied to a checking account than to use a credit card (J.D., I recall you learned this the hard way with your recent eBay purchase). With a debit card or PayPal tied to checking, it’s harder to get your money back if there’s a problem–the seller already has your cash. If you use a credit card, you’ve got a second line of defense. You can always dispute the charge and have it taken off your bill.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I can certainly understand people not getting credit cards if they cannot trust themselves to not buy products that would put them into debt. However, I don’t know if it’s my cheap Scottish blood or that my first CC was an AmEx I got in college through my Mom that I had to pay off every month, but I’ve never considered them a form of “credit.” I’ve never purchased anything using one that I wouldn’t have bought using cash or check, or thought that the bank was loaning me money, interest free if I paid off on time.
That said, for my family and me, CC’s have many advantages:
- maintain credit rating;
- rewards;
- allows us to keep our money in a money market that earns significantly higher interest than a checking account. If necessary, we transfer money from the money market to checking to pay the CC each month, but we do that just before paying;
- autopayment - my CC balance at the last statement is automatically paid off the day before it’s due, so there is no “hassle” or opportunity to forget (and be socked with charges and interest) to pay off the CC bill;
- avoid carrying cash - a robber gets my ID’s, CC’s, library card and $10-40.
- convenience: I don’t need to worry about making sure to visit an ATM or that my checking account can cover any check I may need to write in an emergency, e.g., car repairs on vacation.
- worst case scenario: there may be a time when I need to spend a lot quickly, and I may not have the time to take care of it before I need to make the purchase. For example, my in-laws live across the country, and when one of them dies, we’re going to have to be flying back in a day or two. In that time, I’m not going to want to figure out how much I need to transfer into checking to pay for the tickets for my family. Likewise, if I somehow had a HUGE expense that I would need to sell some securities for, a CC gives me at least three weeks to figure it out.
I know that I pay a financial price for these advantages - items cost more because retailers need to cover the percentage that they must pay the CC company. However, that’s a price that everyone pays whether they use CC’s or not (other than at CostCo, or stores that may have a cash price and another price for CC). I also know that everyone (it’s shouldn’t be everyone, but I always assume that it is) can see my entire spending history. I accept this in return for the benefits I get. This is why I would never want to see cash disappear and electronic payments become required - I think everyone should have the right to shield their purchase history if desired.
Again, if you can’t control your spending, don’t get one. But if you can, having CC’s has many advantages.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I work as a financial aid advisor and counsel students on a daily basis about the details of funding education and preparing for a stable financial life afterwards. I wish more of my students would read this blog and see that I am not “the crazy no-credit guy” and that a no-credit lifestyle actually has merit. I have seen enough students with $50,000+ in student loans complaining about maxing out credit cards to make me sick!
If you are responsible and understand the game you are playing, then using a credit card and paying the balance every month, is a logical choice, but if you have any qualms about it, I say STAY AWAY!
February 8th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
After I paid off my credit cards from college (maybe $500) I didn’t use credit very much for a long time but I found that cash seems to slip through my fingers in a way that credit doesn’t. I never know where the cash goes but my credit card companies keep track for me. All that being said, until last year I only had 1 credit card with a $1000 limit on it and no perks. Now I have one that puts money into my IRA and I use it for almost everything. I never carry a balance, though and I run reports on my spending twice a year to make sure that I’m being responsible.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
To the folks concerned about the 2-3 day delay in transferring funds: I bank with Pentagon FCU and if I transfer funds in they are available immediately, no 3 day wait. That alone was enough for me to switch to them as my primary bank. I keep my funds at ING making money, and also have instant access to them.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
@Tran Harry
You mentioned making multiple payments on your CC balance during the month….does this have a benefit or is it a personal choice?
I remember a post awhile back from J.D. about “average daily balance” and still being charged a finance fee but I was a little fuzzy on the details. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
February 8th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I’m 36. Been using debit cards only for… *thinks* at least 5 years now, maybe 6-7. It wasn’t by choice to start with though. I had a couple credit cards with reasonably small balances (under $2k total), but I just didn’t make payments. Eventually they killed off the cards. So I changed over to my atm/debit card. Haven’t looked back. Yeah, I understand the comments about being able to manage an unexpected large expenditure, but the only time I’ve had that was a recent maintenance on the car, came out to $2k, twice what I expected. Simply transferred from savings to checking, instantly available, and paid with the debit card.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Husband and I got into credit card trouble about 10 years ago, racking up $15,000 in a couple years of spending beyond our means. We had started off with one card that would “always get paid off” and then added another, and another and didn’t take the time to account for the debts being racked up. Within one month of obtaining the 3rd card, we had amassed $1000 that we couldn’t pay off; instead of putting the cards away or ceasing to use them, we continued to live on credit until the day we realized that we were $15,000 in the hole with no signs of stopping. We cut the cards up, spent 4 years paying down the debt and said we’d never have a credit card again.
Fast-forward 10 years. Just this past year, we opened two no-fee cards that reward cash-back for purchases (one for everyday purchases at a flat-rate “return”; one for specific items at a higher rate of “return”). We considered the pros/cons for several years before deciding to do so, and not a single cent of purchase goes on a card without a BUDGETED penny ALREADY IN THE ACCOUNT to back it up. It took 10 years of learning to live within a budget and saving for the things we want to get to a place where we feel capable of handling a card that did not directly withdraw money from the bank account.
Still, it’s not a good idea for everyone. Something along the lines of “being tempted beyond what you can bear” when it comes to having access to money that you haven’t earned. Can I put off buying that ___________ (digital camera, breadmaker, new TV, etc) until there is money budgeted to cover the expense? Will the 0% introductory rate on the card tempt you to buy it now because “I can pay it off before the interest rate kicks in”? If so, stay far, FAR away!!!
February 8th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
I’ll skip over all the obvious reasons I use a credit card since most people covered them, but here are my 2 main reasons for using a credit card on a regular basis.
I refuse to use my Visa Check card over the internet. If it gets hacked, they can drain your checking account and that money is hard to get back. With a credit card, it’s much easier to dispute it and get it all back.
Second reason, warranty reasons. Amex & Visa (most of them) will double the warranty on almost any item up to one additional year. This is huge, and has saved me over two thousand dollars when a high end digital camera I had broke after 18 months of ownership. Why should I buy an extended warranty from the store when Visa and AMEX do it automatically. Amex blue cash also does refunds up to $300 on almost any item where a store refused to return it for you. I haven’t had to use this yet, but it’s nice to know it’s there.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
I have used a credit card since college, but have never kept a balance on it. In addition to making some money of off the rewards, I enjoy being able to easily track all of my transactions, either on the CC statement or in Mint. It has really helped me learn where my money goes from month to month. Cash, to me, is like ghost money, leaving no trace of where or how I’ve spent it.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
I racked up 25k of credit card debt a few years ago.
Paid it off, no cards.
Then saved 33k in about 12 months.
Then got credit cards (Platinum AMEX for Qantas Frequent flyer points, I have 200,000 points now).
Haven’t saved in ages.
Time to cut them up again.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
I like using a credit card for everything because it’s really easy to see how much I’ve spent for the month. The only things I write checks for are rent and utilities, so it’s easy for me to look at my 2 credit card bills and see my spending patterns.
I live well below my means so I don’t have to ration out every dollar. If I did, I doubt I’d use credit cards at all.
February 8th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
I enjoy using my debit card for smaller purchases but hotel reservations, cars, vacations etc I enjoy the protection and flexibility using AMEX affords. If you can pay with a Debit card, then you can still pay your AMEX when you return home.
February 8th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Using all cash now — but I live overseas where none of the smaller merchants accept CCs and my bank would charge an extra 2% anyways.
February 8th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
The only problem I’ve found with paying off and not carrying any balances on credit cards anymore is that my credit score has fallen over the past few years, and the thing on my report that shows reasons why says something about not having revolving credit balances.
Now I’ve paid off my school loans, several cars, and a house, but because I don’t carry pointless balances on credit cards, my score goes from the 800s to the lower 700s? It seems asinine (and I recently got declined for a small business loan, which I think this was the reason).
February 8th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
I use CCs for the vast majority of my purchases. More or less, everything except some restaurants, and places that simply don’t take CC payments.
If you can pay it off every month, but simply forgo having a credit card, you are wasting money in my opinion.
-1% cashback on all purchases is free money. That’s an extra $100 for every 10k you spend.
-Better credit rating is a lower mortgage rate and less money every month out of your pocket.
-The same goes for other loans/debts like cars. But if you are extremely pro-cash/debit and against CC….you probably pay cash for most everything
February 8th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
“After I paid off my credit cards from college (maybe $500) I didn’t use credit very much for a long time but I found that cash seems to slip through my fingers in a way that credit doesn’t. I never know where the cash goes but my credit card companies keep track for me.”
I am completely the same. Even if I use a debit card instead of cash, I almost never remember to look back at my bank statement to track where that money has gone–with a credit card, I have the habit of checking every time I pay the bill. It makes it easy to change my spending habits from month to month. Cash/debit is great for regularly payments that don’t change often (rent, insurance, etc.), but for me, a complete switch from credit to cash would likely wreak havoc on my finances. That said, I pay off my balance every month and never spend money I don’t have.
As J.D. said, the important thing is to do what works for you.
February 8th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
When I was in my early 20s (I’m 36 now) I didn’t have a compulsive credit card problem, but I certainly put some unwise and compulsive purchases on them. I don’t remember ever having more than $3000 balance carried over, but considering thats about how much money I had in the bank it was not good.
I didn’t cut up my cards but I pretty much stopped using them for anything other than gas and groceries. I did have to change my spending attitude though. I got to the point (and I still do it today eventhough my finances are very much in order) where I thought about every purchase I make. Even in the grocery store I stop before I get in the checkout line and make sure every item in my cart is something I need. Often I end up putting one or two things back. I rarely make a purchase (large or small) without going over in my mind why I’m buying it and if I need it. That doesn’t mean I don’t buy things just for fun, but I make sure its something I will enjoy.
February 8th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Like Rachel and SarahA, I find cash is slippery. Does anyone write down their cash purchases in a check register?? I sure don’t … maybe if there was a third column, I would. BUT I religiously write down my debit card transactions, which is 90% of my spending.
I’ll be getting a rewards credit card soon and will use that instead of the debit card, but will still write down every transaction in the register because I’ll be paying it weekly.
No interest in living without credit cards. They’re just too convenient and efficient, not to mention that added layer of security and recordkeeping.
February 8th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
I’m one of the reverse ones who have a much harder time controlling cash spending than I do controlling the credit card. If the cash is in my pocket… see ya!, but if I have to swipe the card will usually just not do it.
That said, my one exception is if I am buying from a local store / business of some type (and I was able to plan ahead) I will try to pay with cash to help them avoid the fees. But a big chain retailer like Target. Swipe.
February 8th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
I use my CC exclusively for online purchases, mostly for the protection it provides, it’s also my solo paypal funding mechanism again for safety.
It has a very low limit (1500 - the bank hates me for that) and it gets paid of once I can confirm the charges have come through correctly on it, usually 1-2 days later.
If I need a bigger limit I simply dump cash into it and push it into the positive, the bank doesn’t seem to mind. I did contemplate shifting to visa debt but then I lose my protection for online purchases.
February 8th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
I’ve never had a credit card. When I went overseas in year 11, I did get a Visa debit card, and I’ve never needed anything else. As long as I have money in my account I can use it overseas, online, over the phone, anywhere I’d use a credit card, so that fixes all the issues of convenience.
Actually, I think when I got my mortgage last year the bank gave me a credit card to go with it, but I never activated it and… don’t know where it is. In one of the boxes of paperwork.
February 8th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Carry one credit card, leave one -different network - at home (for emergencies).
Pick card(s) with no annual fee and a long grace period. Plus rebates.
Pay for everything with card, creating a documented record of spending and categories that can be downloaded into budgeting programs. Also, using the card for everything maximizes rebate amounts - and might benefit credit scores if paid in full every month.
Only need one check (or electronic payment) to pay off all purchases - IN FULL - every month.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
February 8th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
#8 Tran Harry…..works for a credit card company.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Hi JD,
I agree that the most important thing is to do what works for you. There’s absolutely nothing so right or wrong using credit cards. Personally, I prefer to use credit cards because:
1. It offers convenience
2. It rewards you with loyalty points, which can help you save money.
Of course, I do use it responsibly and I’ve never been in credit card debt. As long as an individual can use it responsibly, there’s really nothing to worry about.
Cheers~
Mark
February 8th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Credit cards are like alcohol… Use responsibly and in moderation. In small doses they can be good for your heart, but bad for your overall health if misused. And possibly, the one leads to the other.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
I’m closer towards a “no cash needed” lifestyle, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. The bills are paid automatically. I never have to run to an atm, never have loose change. Cashless is really the future. Credit cards are the best way to operate cashless because of the merchant rules and rewards.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Out of college, I didn’t use a credit card for about 3 or 4 years. Not sure why I started again. I use one again, years later, because I travel a lot for work. I get reimbursed quickly but have no interest in floating a loan to my employer, since I have to make hotel/flight/other arrangements well in advance of my trip.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
I just hate the idea of debit cards — I wish I could get my bank to get rid of mine. No rewards, no consumer protection, no warranty extension, no building of good credit, “holds” prevent me accessing my full balance, and if I lose it, someone can drain my bank account and it can take days/weeks/months to get my cash back? No thanks. My credit cards automatically pay themselves in full each month and allow me to keep most of my cash earning interest without having to worry about my checking account balance in an emergency. I haven’t paid interest or a fee in years, so I’m not even supporting the credit card industry — if anything, I’m costing them money.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
I like going all cash (as much as possible) for many different reasons.
We use an envelope-based budget and we have found that we spend significantly less using cash than credit. The money we save going cash-only is so much greater than any amount of “cash-back” we could have gotten from any credit card. And we never paid finance charges when we used our credit cards - we were the “responsible” pay in full every month kind of chargers.
With the envelope method, I feel like I have a handle on where my money goes and don’t need to “track” my expenses via a credit card statement. Paying less than $600 a month for groceries for 5 people is all I need to know in terms of “where” my food money is going monthly. It does take more planning at first, but then it is seamless.
I am never surprised to find I spent more money than I planned to. I don’t open a bill to find that there are “surprise” expenses, nor do I forget that I put x, y or z on a card.
I love the fact that my personal purchases cannot be data mined and studied by credit card companies, or my bank. I take out money at the beginning of the month and don’t have any other transactions that leave a paper trail until the beginning of the next month. As someone who values their privacy, I like knowing that what I purchase and when is not readily available to whoever might want access to that type of information. It is the same reason that I don’t take advantage of “club” cards at bookstores and other retail establishments. My personal information is not for sale for a couple of % points off my book purchases.
The biggest draw for me on going cash only as that it forced me at the beginning to “name every dollar” as Dave Ramsey would put it. I found out pretty quickly where my “fat” was, cut the fat away and found that I had *more money* almost immediately, with very little true impact on my standard of living. The most important thing that going cash only did for me was let me increase the amount of money I put into savings, investments and other wealth building vehicles. We are saving almost 30% of our income a year now, as opposed to just over 15% when we weren’t cash only. And living better (wealthier, less stress, more money in our pocket - day to day)
We still occasionally use our credit cards, but only when it is truly more convenient for us - usually less than once a quarter. And I pay the balance off online as soon as I get home. We don’t earn a lot of “rewards” but we have so much more money!
February 8th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
I have been living - mostly involuntarily - without a credit card since 2001. I’ve had to move (landlord sold short to avoid foreclosure) and got into a bad housing situation because I had a poverty-level income, minimal cash and no credit.
So now I’m desperate to move but have no money.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
My wife and I went cash/debit card only last February and it has been the best decision we’ve ever made. However, we understand that we need to play the “FICO game” for a little while until we buy our first house in order to get the best mortgage rate. We have put our monthly gym memberships on the credit card and pay it off immediately so that the credit card accounts will not be closed due to inactivity.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
I didn’t have a credit card for a little more than 5 years. Before that, I had a card from college that I was paying off and not making new charges on. The card company always sent me notices with $0 required payments and I generally sent a payment anyway.
Then, when I was traveling, they decided to make a $5 (seriously, $5 - I only had about $400 balance on the dumb thing anyway) minimum payment. Since it happened while I was out of town I didn’t make the payment and they froze my credit…right before I tried to buy a dress for my mom’s wedding. It was really embarrassing.
So I came home, scraped up the cash, paid them off, and canceled the card. To much pleading and trying to “make things better”. I was SO ANGRY - they wouldn’t “work things out” on the phone over the $5 payment I missed but once I walked they were sorry, just like an abusive spouse.
I finally got a card again 4 or 5 years later when we needed to rent a car for a long trip (we didn’t have a car from about 2003-2005). I didn’t use it again after that vacation and eventually they closed the account, so then I had no credit card for a while again.
Two years ago a few things caught up with me. One was that our vet bills (two 15+ year old cats) exceeded the $200/day limit on my debit card pretty regularly. The other was that I finally bought my first ever brand new couch, and we got a car and I wanted a credit card in case of emergency repairs on road trips.
So now I have a credit card. I use it for large purchases (that couch, hotel reservations, plane tickets, new curtains). Then I come home and make an online payment, sometimes before the charge has posted.
Having an active card raised my credit score about 10 points, which put me above my partner - something I think is extra funny because he makes 5x what I do, owns “our” car, and has the exact same level of debt I do - literally exact, we each only owe on the jointly-held mortgage.
February 8th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
I use a credit card for most of my purchases through the month. When I am at a local vendor/coffee shop I try to pay cash. But I have found that I pay more when I have cash. If I buy $12.78 of groceries at the local Coop I tend to put the extra change in the jar near the check out supporting a local cause. If I don’t then I have to keep repeating “$12.78…$12.78…” to myself all the way home so that I can put it in my budget. Instead I can remember $13, which is easier. So cash tends to cost me more, and it is harder to remember to record it into my budget; credit transactions have a slip of paper that follows me home.
Of course I pay off the card every month. So really using the CC is a good way for me to keep track of things. (And I can’t imagine what it is like to do the envelope system. Don’t you jingle constantly carrying all those envelopes with change in them around?)
February 8th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Oh, but I do have a CC from a credit union, and they have never stuck me with surprise fees, or changed anything on me unexpectedly. In fact they are quite liberal with their leniency on late payments. But that is what you get when you aren’t dealing with a bank that needs to make a big profit for its shareholders.
February 8th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
No credit cards here. It made it tricky to get a car loan - we have no credit at all, have lived only out of our bank account for over 7 years - but was well worth it. we still don’t have a credit card. It’s like impulse control. If we don’t have credit, we can’t spend more than we can afford.
February 8th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
The quote from Sandra Block is funny: “the average consumer owns five credit cards” It should be “the average consumer is owned by five banks! I lived debt free for years until I bought a house two years ago. I underestimated how much stuff we would “need”. I couldn’t have a new house without a big screen TV, Blue Ray player, front load washer & dryer, riding mower, etc.
I cut up my cards on Jan 1 and will be debt free again by August(excluding mortgage). I will never go back. It is a constant source of stress and worry to owe someone. From now on it’s cash only.
February 8th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
When I had to take one of our cats to the ER in the middle of the night, they wouldn’t even look at her without a $200 deposit (due to so many deadbeats). There is no way I’d ever keep that much cash around, so I don’t want to imagine what could have happened to her if I hadn’t had a credit card.
February 8th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Love this site. Came across it by searching for a DIY forum but I’ll definitely be bookmarking it to come back and read through later.
Credit cards– have one for emergencies. I don’t carry a balance but I would say that for a lot of people, it’s too easily accesible.
February 8th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
As a diehard credit card user I could give it up tomorrow if I needed too. However, I”m one of the “pay it in full every month - love the cash back feature” audience. Credit is a convenience for me, a short term loan from my company- who pays me to use it! It would be silly not to since I can control my habits with it. That said, if my credit cards went away tomorrow I would be fine living without them.
February 8th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
We haven’t used them for about nine months, since picking up the Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey. We were responsible credit card users who paid their bill off each month. I’m quite sure we overspent by 10-15% a month and now we live on a budget and keep that money in our pockets and decide how to spend it. It’s hard to justify getting 1% back on the Discover when you overspend by 10%! We also got sick of the credit card industries practices. Yes people use them irresponsibly but the industry has preyed on these people for years. We’d had enough of hearing how friends and family were hurting as a result. I totally don’t miss them.
February 8th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
Regarding the 2-3 day wait for funds to be transferred from ING to your regular bank - I get around that by having an ING Electric Orange - comes with a free debit card and instant access to my emergency funds. I keep less than $50 in there and only transfer in money as needed.
I have used the envelope system successfully for about eight years; the same length of time since I last had a CC. It works well for me and I feel very comfortable using my debit card online or while travelling; I’ve also successfully rented hotel rooms & cars with it.
@Sarah - I don’t keep my change in my envelopes.
No need to be that anal - the quarters usually go into a jar to be rolled for extra “fun money” and the other change is in a coin purse for use at the store.
February 8th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
I wish I could rake in 20% or more APR on money that I lent out!
I give credit card companies a very low “creditor score” because of their slimy business practices. They have a nice scam going, but I prefer not to play their game.
February 8th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
As a recent college graduate up to my eyeballs in student loans the added burden of credit cards are unnecessary. My current goal is to pay off all of my cards by the end of the year and to cancel all of my cards. I want to start fresh in 2011. I do not want to spend the rest of my life relying on credit cards. I have seen where it can lead.
February 8th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Another major reason I avoid cash is that I accumulate so many coins, and then when you go to cash them in there’s a 9% fee. No banks around here count coins for free. I don’t like losing $9 of the $100 or so I gather in change every year. I can’t imagine what it would be if I didn’t put 90% of my purchases on a card.
I’d also worry about losing so much money if I lose my wallet, get my bag stolen, etc. So many of my friends have had that happen to them and luckily it’s just been an annoyance since they didn’t carry cash.
February 8th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
For those who say they overspend with credit cards, I wonder if you can share what you overspent on? What are the items that you would buy if you had a CC, but not with cash?
And are we talking cold, hard cash? Or does using a debit card also help avoid overspending? What about a checkbook?
I’m just not convinced I’d spend any less without a CC, except in cases where I just forgot to have enough cash on me, in which case I’d just be annoyed (and hungry, probably).
February 8th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
@Sarah - I have impulse control issues. A debit card helps, not only because I know my husband is checking the statement online (it’s horrible, but having someone else overseeing it helps, so I don’t mind), but because there’s only so much to spend. With a credit card, everything from fabric (crafter) to food to a vacation.
February 8th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
I love my credit card. I’ve only ever had one, but since buying my house and living the life of an adult my expenses are outpricing my $1000 limit that I’ve had since I was 18. I’ve found myself having to pay down the balance a few times a month so I don’t go over the limit and that defeats the purpose of the benefit of keeping my money in the bank to earn interest.I’m planning on getting another reward card with a $5k limit (just for the larger line of credit to help raise my score). I would use the 5k card for auto-bill pay so pretty much the same amount comes out each month and no more, and give myself a living budget for the $1k one (gas, food, entertainment, miscellaneous).
I only use my checking account to pay my mortgage, my car payment, and my electricity bill which doesn’t have a pay by credit option. I use my cc for everything else and I have a budget for each month. Even if I max out the card (which I never have)I would still be able to pay the balance. I’ve used my card regularly since I was 21 and have never paid interest or fees. I’ve made a few hundred dollars off of my card ($72 this January for last year’s spending) since I’ve been using it. Using my credit card helps me budget. I stick to a stricter budget than many of my friends who spend money as they have it. For example if I get extra cash somewhere (like a few months ago when I got 1k back from my mortgage lender for escrow overpayment, and my taxes went down $60/month, because I don’t budget from my checking account, I don’t regularly see the extra money. No matter what my account does (with the exception of money going down, which the only two main things that affect my checking is my car payment and house payment and those hardly ever budge except when my taxes went down) my credit-card budget stays the same. In just a quick glance down the online statement before I pay my bill, I can literally see everything I’ve bought, and where I bought it from in that month. I can spot immediately if I don’t recognize a purchase, and click that little “dispute” button on the side. My cc company will contact the merchant in their investigation to determine if it is a fraudulent charge, then it disappears, or is credited to my next statement if I’ve already paid the bill. I don’t have to do a thing. When I had my debit card compromised my bank told me I would have to contact the company (the company at which my card was fraudulently charged) myself and talk to someone in their fraud department. Of course they didn’t have fraud department and they weren’t going to return my money (it was an online store I’ve never purchased from). It took 3 months to get $50 back from my bank.
I love not having to worry about over drafting my checking (I usually only keep $100 or so in checking, the rest is in savings). The worst thing that happens if I overdraft my personal budget from the cc is I owe a bit more next month, but usually I have that warning in the form of a bill for how much I need to come up with in a month and I can easily adjust my spending to accommodate whatever abnormal expense I had so I don’t have to resort to using money from savings which to me is taboo. Money in savings is for savings, not for transferring to checking so you don’t overdraft. And those banks that offer overdraft protection in the form of a lower fee of $10 instead of $35 adds insult to injury by charging you the fee and then taking the overdrafted amount from your savings and act as if they are doing YOU a service. I love that my credit card gives me a 1 month float to play around and be creative and plan and catch up if needed. It makes it fun to know my expenses to the penny one month before having to pay them and it really helps with my budget and financial planning. It’s like knowing the future 1 month early, every month.
And I don’t spend more on my cc than debit. If I didn’t have the money in checking that I wanted, I would have either risked overdraft, had to run to any ATM (which never happens to be my bank’s ATM) and pay the ATM fees, then the fees the Bank charged me for not using their ATM, find a computer somewhere and transfer money from savings to checking (promising in my head to pay it back later). I used to go through all this, and I’ll admit it I struggled with overdraft fees. Not because I didn’t have the money, but I have always been an avid saver and always kept little in my checking. The cc lets me spend carefree (money I know I have) without having to do this little dance each time. It makes my money more accessible, which doesn’t cause me to spend more, it lets me spend what I would anyway with less headache and consequences.
February 8th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
We carried a balance on our cards off and on over the years. We paid them off and finally decided to keep one only for emergencies a year or two ago.
But once we had an emergency fund built up, we realized we didn’t need one at all and canceled it.
We’re credit card free!
February 8th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
I guess it depends on how much self-control you have. Clearly I have none, and therefore I should probably not use mine. There are times when it allows me to pay for needs that I otherwise couldn’t, which is good, and if I had the self-discipline to use it more responsibly, I could get some great benefits out of it (such as free groceries). However, I tend to use it as extra cash, and buy things I otherwise wouldn’t.
So I guess what I’m trying to say is that I probably should go without a credit card (I know it’s not impossible, as I’ve done it before), but I’m not ready to do that. I still have delusions that I can become more responsible with it.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
My husband and I each have one credit card but haven’t used them in 6 months. If I have an expense for more than $300 or so, I’ll use the credit card and pay it off within the week to get the rewards. Sure I could use it for everything and get more rewards, but I don’t have the discipline to not start going to the coffee shop or otherwise nickel and diming myself with it. I do use a debit card regularly, but use cash and the envelope system for the vast majority of purposes.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:10 am
I don’t see what’s wrong with CCs if you don’t try to use them for what they are not. They are not a loan instrument - they are too expensive for that. They are just a payment instrument. If you choose no-annual-charge cards, pay the balance in full on time (most have autopay for that) then I don’t see how it can be too complicated. I can easily track all the cards using Mint.com, and use autopay as much as possible, and use reminder services in case autopay is not provided by the credit card company. Things like 5% cash back on gas are nice. And for purchases over 1000 dollars (I had a couple of those last couple of years) even 1% cash back can get you some change
I think over the last couple of years I’ve gotten at least 500 dollars in free money from credit cards, maybe more. What’s not to like?
Of course, as I say, you have to be careful to pay them in time and not use them for what they shouldn’t be used (if you’re smart) - to borrow money for longer than grace period.
Actually, when I use cash I find harder to keep track of things - I forget when I spend it, and then wonder where those $100 went? With credit card, I can always go online and see all the data, with nice stats, graphs, I can query the data back to see when exactly I paid for something and how much it was, etc. So I think credit cards are great if you use them right.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:58 am
“…I never encountered a situation where a credit card was required…”
Well, if you travel a lot or order stuff online (internationally), I would argue that credit cards are extremely useful. Not required but just very…convenient.
International bank transfers can cost quite a lot and be somewhat of a hassle. The added protection of the credit card is also very good.
I basically use my credit card as a debit card, paying off the balance in full every month and have never bought anything that I couldn’t have paid cash for.
Simply having it and using it though, saves me money as I get certain discounts and benefits (free internet banking for example, which would otherwise cost me 2,5€/month).
February 9th, 2010 at 2:18 am
I had the no-credit-card lifestyle foist upon me when I moved to Germany a year and a half ago. I think it has helped me get control of my finances. It motivated me to save a bunch of money to be ready for an emergency whereas before I would have just extended my credit limit, and now I’ve started thinking more about saving for the future.
(It was sort of foist upon me - I probably could have had an overdraft play the same role instead but didn’t understand the way it works here well enough and by the time I realized, I had already learned to live without it.)
Here most shops don’t take credit cards - even furniture shops and electronics stores; and while I have a ‘credit card’, it pays itself off in full from my checking account every month, whether I like it or not. It was a shock when that first happened, and now I hardly use the card - just to book things online and stuff like that.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:43 am
I’m 46 and over the last two years I have become focused on getting my financial house in order and a big part of that was getting rid of credit cards. I started out by closing 2 out of the 3. I then I focused on creating a realistic budget, sticking to it and saving every penny I could. I now have six months of my true expenses in the bank and I live on 50% of my income. My last credit card was closed two weeks ago and I won’t have another one.
I realized several years ago that although I told myself I could handle the debt from living beyond my means that was just a bunch of garbage I was telling myself and I eventually had to face the fact that credit cards and I do not get along. It is my belief that 99.9% of the people out there who are in debt are just like me and the sooner they face their addiction (for lack of a better word) the better off they will be.
February 9th, 2010 at 5:36 am
We do not use credit for day to day spending, instead we use debit which provides us with consumer protection (since its a Visa debit) and we can track it (just download it into Quicken). We found that by using present money we spent about 50%, on average, less per month. We also were and are more mindful with our spending because the money comes right out of our account and we limit the amount, via our allowance system, in our accounts. I was one who always used credit, yay rewards, and paid it off in full each month. But I’ve come to realize that even though I wasn’t paying interest, I was spending more than I should b/c I just didn’t think about it until the bill arrived. And what did I spend that money on, nothing big, but it added up to about to about $5000 a year on eating out, shoes, clothes, weekend trips, gifts for others, etc. I keep records forever so I went back and reviewed my old credit card statements.
Right now we have one regular credit card, Capital One, which we only use for travel expenses, flights, hotels and rental cars. I keep that card at my office and it only goes into my wallet when we are traveling.
We have a Home Depot credit card that we use for business expenses, our investment property expenses, we only use it if HD is running a 0% special and we only use it for business. We pay it off well in advance of the expiration of the 0% specials. I’d prefer not to use it but Mr. Sam has won out on this point.
We have one other store credit card, which we just got and used to buy a new couch. We’ve alredy got the full amount for the furniture in our ING account savings account, but we opted to go with this credit offer because we got $500 in points which we used to buy towels and they were running a 0% special. Now I have to decide if I’m going to go ahead and pay it off or earn interest on our ING furniture savings for the next 11 months.
Re delay in transfer from ING, that’s where we keep our emergency fund too, we keep a small emergency fund, $1000 in our Wachovia savings account which gives us enough quick access to cash and then we could transfer more in from ING if needed.
February 9th, 2010 at 5:52 am
I’m 31 years old and I’ve never had a credit card. I’ve never had a problem renting an apartment, a car, or a room. My husband used to have a credit card, which he hasn’t used in the last two years. We both have great careers with a three month emergency fund. We are on track to having a fully funded emergency fund by the end of the summer. We did go through a few uncertain years when he was in the military and we were living paycheck to paycheck while I went to school. Credit cards just have never been my thing.
February 9th, 2010 at 6:42 am
We have one credit card and pay it off in full every month. It has rewards tied to it, so we are planning on using those to pay for some house upgrades. If we didn’t have a years-long track record of paying the thing off every month, we wouldn’t use this plan at all. We had gotten into carrying a balance years ago and have never gone back.
If the company that issues the card starts charging an annual fee or pulls anything remotely resembling a shenanigan, our business relationship will be terminated.
February 9th, 2010 at 7:29 am
I have one CC I use, for making large purchases (like my LASIK last year) and for online purchases with Amazon or Newegg. I carry a small balance on it to help my credit score.
As has been stated above, never use your Debit Card (or Paypal, for that matter) to make online purchases - you are offered no protection. CC companies, for all their crap, are very good at detecting fraud and fighting companies/individual on your behalf. It’s the only real benefit to using one, in my opinion.
February 9th, 2010 at 7:38 am
We still have a couple of credit cards on hand, but it has been over a year since we used one for anything but a quick small charge to keep the account active. Now that we have enough money in our bank account, I use the debit card or, even better, cash. I take my grocery budget out of the ATM on the first of the month. Most bills are auto-drafted from the bank as well. I can imagine that a few years down the road, we’ll jettison the credit cards all together.
February 9th, 2010 at 7:47 am
I think the envelope system might be a little misunderstood by people who don’t use it.
I am not wandering around town with several envelopes in my purse at all times. At this point (after several years of using an envelope system) - I take out my month’s money on the first day of the month, split it equally into 4 envelopes and at the beginning of each week - I put that week’s money into my wallet.
I also have a change purse (as well as my wallet) in my bag. As I get change, I put it into the change purse and at the end of each week, I deposit any remaining money (including change) into one of my savings accounts. I am a little confused by anyone saying that their banks won’t take change as a deposit for free. We have accounts at Citibank, JP Morgan Chase and two community banks and every single one of those banks takes change and counts it for free. I usually have somewhere between $4 - $15 in coin change in any given week - not exactly chump change, but also not overwhelming.
Our mortgage payments, our utility bills - those get paid with checks. Again, writing 5 checks a month is not exactly overwhelming in terms of time it takes to write or post the checks.
Cash works for us. And putting ourselves on a cash basis (about $250 a week for anyone truly curious - which covers groceries, entertainment, babysitting, gasoline and children’s allowances for a family of 5) we learned how to make consistently good choices about what we truly needed/wanted to purchase and what we don’t. For example, we no longer throw a new DVD into our shopping cart every week at Target - $15.99 x 52 weeks = $831.48 - with tax it would be closer to $900 - saved a year by not impulse buying 1 dvd a week. We now wait for all DVDs to come out on netflix or borrow from the library. For us, creating a cash budget that didn’t allow us wiggle room to buy completely unnecessary stuff helped us to realize how much money was leaving our hands on purchases like the impulse dvd at Target or Costco. Maybe movies aren’t your weakness, maybe it is books, or alcohol, or the dreaded latte. maybe it is picking up a soda pop from the convenience store down the street from your office. But all of those things have a specific cost that truly does add up over the course of a year. A daily 20 oz. of pop purchase at the convenience store premium of $1.60 (with tax) a bottle adds up to $584 a year. Maybe lots of people here think they wouldn’t purchase that bottle of pop with their credit card, but you would be in the minority if you think that. I am in those convenient stores paying for my gasoline and watching a ton of people pick up the bottle of pop while paying for their gasoline on credit. And I am sure that bottle of pop seems like a nothing while it is being added to their gasoline purchase. But a daily bottle of pop over a year eclipses most people’s credit card cash rewards.
Perhaps everyone else reading Get Rich Slowly doesn’t make those kind of impulse purchases when they are shopping. In which case, congratulations! However, if you impulse shop just $15 a week, any kind of cash back bonus that you might be earning is basically meaningless. We spend about $13,000 a year on our weekly expenses (food, gasoline, entertainment). If I put every single bit of that on a credit card, I could get a cash back bonus of $130 - or if I had the cash back bonus deal of the century - $390. However, that $130 (or even $390) is nothing compared to the almost $900 I know I saved by not buying any dvds this past year. Dvds that used to be tossed into my shopping cart without a thought because - hey, I wasn’t really thinking about the total cost of my shopping trip because I would just swipe my credit card at the checkout and pay the card in full at the end of the month.
February 9th, 2010 at 7:49 am
As long as you have willpower and self-control, there is absolutely no reason at all to use a debit card over a credit card on large purchases. Interest free loan (depending on the cycle can be quite a long time between charging it and paying for it), additional warranties, cashback or other bonuses, a mediator in case of a dispute…credit cards win.
For hotel rooms and cars, why on earth would you (if you had a choice) ever let them put a huge hold on your funds for weeks at a time for money you haven’t spent? On a credit card you don’t even know its there. Debit you for sure know it because you can’t spend it!
I understand that some people are just children with no will power or ability to delay gratification, but for the rest of us, credit is superior in every way to debit.
February 9th, 2010 at 7:52 am
I am trying very hard to go credit card free. I’m paying things off and have them in a bag in my freezer and will most likely cut them up at some point soon (when I remember they’re in there and happen to be home for instance).
For me, no credit is a must. I have a foreclosure now so there’s just no way around it. Besides, credit companies are pure evil. I have two credit accounts with APR’s of 32%. Yes. You are reading that correctly. Not 23, but 32. Disgusting. I have to buy a new car in a couple of years. It’s going to have to be cash, end of story. I do have a student loan that I am paying and my current car loan plus all of my credit accounts are in good standing (paid on time all of the time).
But honestly, I can’t wait to turn my back on lenders for good. If I NEED money on top of what I have, I’ll turn to my family for the loan.
My hat goes off to all of you who can do the credit thing properly. It’s just not for me.
February 9th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Adam
If you have more than enough money in the bank - having a hold on a debit card for a hotel or card is just as meaningless as it would be to have a hold on a credit card.
And, for many people who live a cash-only lifestyle, those debit card holds aren’t at all inconvenient. Those holds don’t stop me from being able to access more than enough money to handle my every day lifestyle, as well as most any emergency that might come up. In fact, we have a debit account (with Visa logo) that we use just for the purpose of hotel reservations and the like. It isn’t even associated with our main accounts at all. It is our vacation account and the money there is earmarked for those kinds of expenses.
That is true financial freedom. We aren’t children, we aren’t financially out of control. We make different choices than you do, and see money differently than you do. My financial wins don’t depend upon gaming a system for 30 days of float (meaningless in terms of interest earned for the money we are talking about for 99% of purchases) or to try to earn 1% cash back on purchases. My financial wins are based upon having the liquidity to invest more aggressively and more diversely. To be able to buy a great deal I have been planning on without worrying about needing to finance and being able to wait for those deals to happen.
If your system works for you - great! But you don’t need to make ad-hominem attacks on the thought process of those who choose something different.
February 9th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Why would you hold money in a checking account beyond your minimum needs? Staying in multiple hotels in a short stay can accumulate thousands of dollars in holds quickly.
They are an inconvenience and not necessary. A credit card removes need to stash thousands of superfluous dollars in an account earning zero interest.
February 9th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Cutting up my credit cards and choosing to live without them was the scariest thing I have done in a long time. You get so used to having the security of that plastic there. Plus, you think, how will I rent a car or how will I pay for plane tickets. I will say though, that by switching to a cash only basis –not even using a debit card —I spend way less money than I used to. It’s really true that when you use a credit card you spend much more.
February 9th, 2010 at 9:19 am
I went debit card only 8 years ago and will NOT go back. The banks and the credit card companies can get rich off someone else. Not me.
Not that it matters, but I’m 47 and the only real debt I currently have is my never ending student loan repayments from years ago. I have never had trouble renting a car or getting a hotel room (and I always reserve online, thanks.. I do everything online.) The temporary holds on your money (properly called a pre-authorization) can be released earlier than the usual 3 days if you call your bank and complain. But as someone else observed, if you’ve got enough money in the bank to cover your other expenses during that time period, it’s not a problem. The hold on the money is usually lifted fairly fast. If you’re living paycheck to paycheck, well.. then you’ve got other problems… probably made worse by credit cards.
February 9th, 2010 at 9:21 am
I quit using credit cards years ago. I carry my debit card with me, no other credit cards and very little cash. I keep thinking that maybe I should get one of those cards that offer rewards, such as Wells Fargo’s card that has no fee and takes 1% off your purchases from your mortgage principal. But, after calculating how much that would mean in my case, I’ve decided that it is not worth the hassle. I do have an American Express card, which charges me no fees, but I NEVER take it anywhere or use it. Living without credit cards for several years has been a dream. It is possible, and it is safer. Emergencies? Anybody who needs to rely on credit cards for emergencies is absolutely flirting with fire.
February 9th, 2010 at 9:21 am
I haven’t regularly carried a credit card in my wallet for almost 2 years now. I do use my credit cards for occasional online shopping, but that’s pretty much it. When I was in university I abused credit, and so as I pay my debt off I just find it easier to keep them at home. I would never cancel all my cards (I am down to the 2 that have been open the longest), because once I am out of debt I don’t plan on getting back in, and credit ratings are important. It is easy to abuse credit (at least it was for me), so I have to say I am much more careful now that I truly realize it’s not free money (as stupid as that sounds).
February 9th, 2010 at 9:26 am
I have a credit card but I don’t use it. My bank sends me stuff once a week about various offers but I don’t have the time or energy to try to use them to their full advantage so instead I don’t use my credit card. I have one, just in case, I just don’t use it.
February 9th, 2010 at 9:36 am
I’m 25 and have never had a credit card. I didn’t actually know they existed until I was 20 or so, so I’m definitely not the average person who decided to live without one. I just never decided to live with one.
When I learned about them, my reaction was “and some people use them?!” The whole concept of “you can use it the same as a debit card, but you pay 20% interest on anything you buy” seemed ridiculous. Now I realise they can be useful to some people in some situations, but still they’re not for me.
February 9th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Adam
You are aware that right now there are checking accounts that pay 4% interest, right? Up to 25,000 at some banks - 50,000 at other banks. I’m not earning 0% interest…but if you are, maybe you should do a little research into a different checking account.
And, if you are going to multiple hotels in a fairly short time frame - why not just shift a couple of thousand from your savings account to your checking account for that 2-3 week period rather than just leaving the money in your checking account if you don’t feel comfortable doing that? The amount of interest “lost” is negligible for that couple of week timeframe.
February 9th, 2010 at 9:48 am
I guess it is just a question of self discipline. I use two credit cards. I use an Amex for just about everything for my rewards and I carry a Visa (with rewards) because Amex is not always accepted. I have no fees and I carry no balance. If these companies are willing to give me stuff for free, I would be a fool not to take them up on the offer.
My mindset is not one of ‘oh, here is a card with a $10K limit, let’s go buy 10K worth of stuff.’ These are the people who should not have cards or cars with very low limits. I feel bad for these people because this seems to go beyond money management and into the realm of being a compulsion.
I love my credit cards. They also provide insurance on many things I buy and on cars that I rent.
As for the one poster who stated that people should pay cash for cars, why do this when there are 0% financing offers out there. I come out ahead by financing this car.
Credit cards are not evil, they are tools. Their use can either be good or evil (responsible / irresponsible).
February 9th, 2010 at 9:55 am
@Driac -
“I feel bad for these people because this seems to go beyond money management and into the realm of being a compulsion.”
Why, yes. It does. For me, at least, that’s pretty much on the nose.
~Lissa
February 9th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Another Maddox says we need some sort of class action to stop their abusive practice:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=junk_the_junk
February 9th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
There is nothing wrong with credit cards as long as you pay your bills on time…
February 9th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
I’m actually in the process of reducing my CC usage. I’m trying the envelope system this month. Even though, were not far into the month, it’s not been difficult to use cash only.
I don’t ever envision going w/o a credit card. I use auto pay for many things, and since I can pay if off every month, I would rather use credit then debit.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
One of the best ways to budget is to stop using your credit cards and just take out cash from the bank every week. Whatever your budget is take it out on a Sunday and you’ll find that you spend much, much less. The biggest problem with Credit Cards for people who are responsible and pay in full is not the interest rates, rather it is the increased spending since you don’t need to really worry about whether you have enough money for an item. Try it for a month. Pay with cash, and you’ll be amazed how much money you start putting away.
Debit Cards: Since Credit Card use is shrinking, debit cards are being pushed by banks. For those with little money they can be far more costly due to late fees. There was a good Frontline special on this recently and LiveCheap covered the practice of charging enormous late fees for overdrafting just a few dollars in a recent article.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
I also live w/o credit cards. Have been that way for 15 years now. I have a sense of cleanliness with money, no loose string hanging around
February 9th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Kelly makes an interesting point. I use my credit cards for almost everything my wife and I purchase. We pay the balance every month. I’ve always wondered if we are spending more than if we were using cash. Is the 10 to 15% spending more than you would if you were using cash, a real statistic? About once a year I get caught traveling or something and don’t get the payment on time, resulting in a late fee. I hate these.
One advantage of the credit card, is if I travel on short notice, my airline ticket is about twice the cost of having the 14 day advance notice. My airline miles have saved me tons of money between the price of an immediate ticket and the amount of airline mileage I need to purchase a ticket.
If you are not disciplined enough to pay off your credit card each month, it is ridiculous to use them, but I would be intested in a study on the difference in shopping with cash vs a credit card. I suspect that one spends more using the credit card.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
My ex had no credit cards his entire life (36 years without a card). This was all fine and dandy, until we needed to rent an apartment. Because he had always paid in cash for everything, he had ZERO credit history. No apartment would rent to us because he had no credit history. We ended up having to get a super-cheap apartment in a bad area of town that would rent just based on my credit history alone.
So “never having a credit card ever” could potentially be bad, if you have no other lines of credit either. Having “No” credit history can be very detrimental in life, actually. Not very fair, but it’s the way our society is.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Having a credit card with a cash back reward program used in concert with Mint.com let’s me track almost all of my expenses in a nearly automated fashion, and also netting me some extra cash.
I can’t imagine trying to keep track of a budget using cash, and I also buy most things online these days, where I would be too nervous to use any financial vehicle that didn’t have the fraud protections of a credit card.
That said, the main reason I can do all this is that I work pretty hard to keep my living expenses down, as well as having all sorts of automatic deductions for payments and savings. This allows me to spend money on the occasional game or gadget without worries.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
I use only a discover card. The few times I can’t I use a check card. I think it is really useful to keep track of how much I have spent during the month.
The main reason I have been saving money is I never buy anything impulsively anymore. I may see something and have an impulse urge to buy, but I will leave the store. I will think alot about it before I will buy. That has been the best way to save money.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
To Gary in #88-
The 12-18% more statistic with plastic rather than with cash allegedly comes from a study done from Dun & Bradstreet. I have never seen it published anywhere. I personally will not believe those statistics until I read the study myself. Whenever someone quotes the study, I always ask them is they have seen it. The answer is invariably, no.
In my experience, I spend much more with cash rather than plastic. For me, cash just sublimates.
To prevent the late fee debacle you report, I have the full balance of my credit card automatically deducted from my checking account on the due date. This in effect causes the credit card to be a charge card. It make it impossible to spend more than I have because I know the full amount will be deducted at the end of the month.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
efk22
The latest in a series of studies that show over and over people paying more on credit than with cash was done by MIT. This past year. How often have you actually looked for these studies?
This is the link to the study: http://web.mit.edu/simester/Public/Papers/Alwaysleavehome.pdf
February 9th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Sashie,
I look for the Dun & Bradstreet study all the time. Are you able to produce it or just quote it?
If the MIT study is the last in the series, what are the other ones?
February 9th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
@efk22 and sashie, et al
I, too, find it frustrating that folks claim that people spend more with credit than with cash but can’t cite any actual studies. I’ve never been able to find this supposed Dun and Bradstreet report, either, and I’ve spent hours looking.
However, I did find some reports that seemed to verify this trend (spending more with credit than with cash) and reported about them 18 months ago. I’d love to have more info, though.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Btw, J.D. Thanks for posting that 18 month ago link. It really helped (last week) with a literature review I’m doing for a project on saving, particularly the psychology article you link to (which itself cites the Prelec and Simester 2001 study linked above). It isn’t clear that this piece of conventional wisdom really has really been confirmed yet, though there is some evidence that people spend more with proxy money than with real money, but it hasn’t really been nailed down.
It’s interesting stuff!
February 9th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Here are some links to studies that have shown that people pay more using non-cash methods of payment (credit card and gift certificates). These are in addition to the MIT study I already linked to.
http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/xap143213.pdf
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2488726
http://www.ausubel.com/creditcard-papers/aerhigh.pdf
If you read through any of the 3 studies I have linked to (the second one will require you to pay for that pleasure) you will find many more references to other academic studies that have found that people 1. borrow more from their credit cards than they are aware of 2. spend more on their credit cards than they would on cash. There are literally dozens of studies to read through contained the in studies reference sections and within the studies themselves (references to other studies).
I didn’t find a Dun & Bradstreet study, but then - I had never heard that it was a D&B study that proved this. Perhaps there are many people misquoting about a D&B study…however, there are a ton of professors from NYU, MIT, Perdue, University of Chicago and other highly reputable universities that have come to the same conclusions. People spend more on credit than with cash and are supremely less aware of their actual spending patterns.
Hope this helps clarify the questions you had regarding academic studies on this subject.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
I dont spend more with credit than cash since I come home and automatically enter my credit statements into my quicken account- therefore I know exactly where my budget is. Howeve, give me $10 cash and at the end of the week Im saying “Where did I spend that??” With credit cards I can watch every single penny- I dont round up to the nearest dollar and then have lots of cents sitting in a jar for *fun money* I budget my fun money and I know when I can spend it.
February 9th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
How do you build up a credit history if you dont have credit or use credit. Does it negatively affects your personal credit score (e.g. FICO score) if you dont have credit cards?