Outsourcing Life: Unconventional Advice for When You’re Financially Secure
Published on - February 10th, 2010 (by J.D. Roth) This is a guest post from Erica Douglass. After selling her online business for a million dollars at age 26, Erica
“temporarily retired”. She now writes an online business blog at erica.biz. This is very much an article about advanced personal finance techniques, and doesn’t necessarily reflect my own philosophy.
You’ve pulled yourself out of debt, are saving a reasonable amount of income for your retirement, have built an emergency fund, and your daily needs are easily met with your income. Congratulations! Now what?
That’s exactly where I was in 2007. I sold my business and generated a huge windfall — over a million dollars. I paid off all my debt. And then I looked around and said, “Oh, crap.”
I had absolutely no idea what to do with my money. Previously, any extra money I’d earned was immediately stuffed back into my business, and I had been running deficits nearly everywhere. This was the first time in my adult life I’d ever had my head above water, financially speaking.
Over the next three months, I proceeded to blow over $50,000. Oh, don’t get me wrong — it was fun! I bought a new car (that I still drive), some really beautiful artwork from artists I loved (that looks great on my walls), and thousands of dollars in clothes, new furniture, and other indulgences, such as $4,000 custom hand-made stereo speakers (that I’m listening to right now.)
It was fun…for a couple months. Then it got boring.
My Spiral into Depression
Like many lottery winners, I spiraled into depression. The business I had spent six years of my life building was gone. I felt adrift — like I had no purpose. Despite having been “successful”, no one knew who I was. I had marginalized most of my personal relationships in favor of growing my business and working myself to death. And money wasn’t going to buy me out of the situation.
Slowly, I pulled myself out of my depression. I realized I had the opportunity to make myself into anyone I wanted to be. I could do anything I wanted. I had complete freedom. The thought was both exhilarating and terrifying.
I bought a shelf full of self-help books and read them all, relentlessly seeking to answer the many questions I had. Some of them were philosophical, like “What made me successful when so many others have failed?” Some were practical, like “How do I invest my money?” But all of them led back to one deeper question: “What should I do to be happy?” I soon realized the latter question was incorrect. The better question was, “Who should I be to be happy?”
In December 2007, I started blogging. I exposed a significant amount of my business life and thoughts. I wrote about my successes and my mistakes and failures. I enjoyed writing, doing videos, and interacting with my readers. Helping others figure out their purpose, their businesses, and their websites and blogs was a fantastic experience.
Spending with a Purpose
I made a point of trying to achieve greater states of happiness on a daily basis. Instead of being merely content — or even apathetic — with my current state of being, I realized I could be happier daily. And suddenly it hit me: I understood what I wanted to do with my money. I wanted to outsource pretty much everything I hated doing.
In order to live a simpler, calmer, but more effective life, I had to drop the shackles of wanting to do everything myself. To allow time to meditate, think, write, and create, I had to get rid of the drudgery of daily tasks. I realized my money could serve a fantastic dual purpose: To allow others, whose passion is cooking, cleaning, or assisting in various ways to help me — while I supported them by giving them income to do what they loved.
My life fundamentally changed that day. I started hiring people to do everything I didn’t want to do. The first step was to hire a cleaning service. Then I hired a personal assistant to work out of my house, filing papers, doing laundry, and organizing. I hired virtual assistants to do all the menial tasks I hated doing: bookkeeping; video editing; audio editing; even setting up my Facebook fan page. (Lisa, my VA who set up the Facebook page for me, said happily: “I can’t believe I get paid to do this!” And I realized…we’re both lucky.)
My Daily Routine
I wake up in the morning and my VAs have sent me their updates. I am building a business where I create how-to videos for small business owners and bloggers who want to drive more traffic to their sites and get more customers.
I learned meditation, and currently spend about 40 minutes a day relaxing. I also spend a few hours a day doing the parts of my business I love, from creating videos to writing to programming. When I walk down to the kitchen, it’s clean; Elia, my housekeeper, comes in every week to make sure it’s spotless. She spends 2 hours cleaning our kitchen; total cost to me: $30.
My VA in the Philippines edits my videos and does a fantastic job for $3.33/hour.
Whenever I do an interview with another entrepreneur, I send it to another VA in the Philippines, who, for $9/hour, edits it perfectly, getting rid of all the strange pauses and “um”s. I send the edited interview off to a transcriptionist. For less than $30, I get back an excellent transcription, often 12-16 pages long.
Lisa, my VA here in the U.S., has set up an entire website and integrated it with a shopping cart for my customers to order products and access them once they have ordered. She charges $30/hour (my most expensive staff member) and she’s worth every penny.
I treat my staff members well, and they love the fact that they can work from home and get paid great wages ($3/hour in in the Philippines is equal to about a $65,000/year wage here in the U.S.) They are happy — I can see it in their emails and text chat messages.
My partner Richard and I fight less. There’s no scrapping over who will do a certain task. If no one wants to do it, we work together to figure out how to hire someone.
A Disease Opens My Eyes
I was recently diagnosed with Celiac disease. The management of the disease may sound simple, but it’s not: eliminate wheat, oats, barley and rye from your diet. Most restaurants have very
few gluten-free items; I’m lucky if I can order one non-salad item from a typical menu. Some restaurants are impossible to eat at; soy sauce, for instance, has wheat in it. I’ve gotten sick from things as odd as bacon, cake frosting, and ranch dressing.
After a few weeks of eating mostly hot dogs and tuna fish, I grew tired of my limited options. I thought about learning to cook, but it wasn’t something that excited me. So we hired a personal chef to cook our meals — one who understands the challenge of cooking gluten-free. We pay her $10/hour, including travel time to deliver the food to us, and she gets a fun side job.
In a randomly-chosen week before I hired a personal chef, I ate out four times and went to the grocery store twice. I spent a total of $179.91 on restaurants and groceries. Last week, I spent $215.49, including groceries, for eating out and paying my personal chef. My “eating out” expenses dropped from $86.14 to just $32.28 — over 60% less! My total spent was $35.58 more, but to me, that’s a small price to pay for gourmet food of my choice delivered to my door. Another remarkable and unexpected side effect was that I no longer have an urge to go out and spend money at fancy restaurants — I simply ask my chef to make what I want and deliver it to me.
It has been more than two years since I sold my business, and I am happier than I have ever been. I made different choices than most: We rent a house instead of owning (a savings of nearly $4,000/month in our neighborhood — more than our monthly rent payment!); we only have basic cable; we don’t have a landline, credit card debt, car payments, or student loans.
I chose, instead of buying more Stuff, to live a more fulfilled life. For me, even more important than holding onto my money tightly was to learn to let it go — to give it to others in exchange for work well done, and to trust that they could do tasks well. It’s one of the best decisions I’ve ever made.
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@ Comment 87: Amen! This site and its comments for me offer valuable insights into what’s been helpful for people and what has not been, and the way I apply them in my life will not match the way other people do, AND THAT SHOULD BE OK! I don’t know why people insist on others ratifying their own life choices, or why they insist on me (and guest posters, and JD, and commenters) making the exact choices they make.
I’m not about to drive a duct-taped leaky van like one recent guest-poster, but his post challenged my thinking, and I like that.
I enjoy cooking my own meals and getting great deals on food at the Fresh & Easy supermarket, but I don’t insist that my significant other or my employees shop there and cook their own meals. Maybe the gem these “be just like me” commenters can take from today’s post is finding what makes them happy. I know that happiness doesn’t come from outsourcing itself, but if the outsourcing allows you to do things that make you happy and fulfilled, that should be OK too.
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Sounds to me like a lot of jealousy and bitterness. Sucks to have an audience that complains as much as this one does JD.
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I also think it is strange that everyone’s acting like she oppresses her housekeeper or that the work is somehow demeaning. I have a very good friend who does housecleaning on the side and LOVES it – she’d do it full time but is a little too risk averse and so has a day job that has great benefits.
Just because you can’t imagine that someone could find being a housecleaner fulfilling does not mean that there aren’t other people with a different point of view and who chose that profession.
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I am amazed of how much this article seems to offend people. Really, it is not bad to be able to employ people. It is obviously a benefit to both parties involved.
Congratulations to Erica for being successful. I am sure this is not the first time success has put people off.
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Ummmm – well, J.D. you wanted discussion, here ya go, LOL!!!
Several posters have referred to the million dollars as a windfall. Should we really be characterizing the million dollars as a windfall? In my mind, windfall has the connotation of something easily acquired based on luck not skill or sacrifice. If you build a business from the ground up and are able to get a million dollars in the marketplace that is a result of hard work and tenacity. I think people who struggle financially, including myself, have a tendency to dismiss the efforts of the rich because then we will not have to be accountable for our own choices, which may have cumulatively undermined our financial security.
#75 – Love your last statement, quite profound.
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I’m nowhere near a millionaire, and older than 26, but I can relate to this article much more than the “cut up your credit card & total up your debts!” one.
I think a lot of us are at the “now what?” stage, where we’ve managed our wants down, our careers up, our budgets are firm, we’re saving & investing…and then what?
Plus it’s ridiculous to call the cash from selling the business she built up a windfall. It’s not like she won the lottery, or cashed out and took plain early retirement.
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Dear all,
I do reside in Uganda a less developed country. I think Erica was sharing her experience. Being a resident and a citizen of Uganda sometimes makes me think people in developed countries like US don’t know what it is like to live on such money. This kind of money if I got it for 4 days i.e working for 8 hours a day would pay my rent, a 2 bedrommed house with running water and electricity. So please don’t think Erica is actually doing that philipino a favour. I am actually looking for such jobs could some body connect me to people who would like to do data entry, data analysis, edits for their reports, write proposals for developing countries and monitoring and evalution work? I will be more than glad to assist. Get to me on kbkasule@yahoo.com. Erica could you please get in touch with me? Hold a bachelor of science in economics and statistics and Masters in public health.
Thanks
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@DreamChaser & Rosa. Please READ the article again. ERICA HERSELF CALLS THE MILLION BUCKS A WINDFALL:
“I sold my business and generated a huge windfall — over a million dollars.”
So you can forgive other posters for calling it that as well.
That said, I agree that the million dollars doesn’t meet my definition of a windfall. It was the result of hard work, not a lottery win or a slot machine pull.
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@105 – Kasule, thanks for the different perspective, that was moving.
I also have a general comment. Irrespective of your position on outsourcing, it does not do anyone any earthly good to constantly bemoan the state of this country’s economy and not take concerted action to change their lives. In America, most people have more access to education, opportunity, and wealth than some people in other parts of the world could ever hope to see. I have only recently recognized this truth, our jobs should not be our only source of income. The world is changing, the Internet has made it truly flat. Just because you close your eyes to the world around you does not mean the pendulum will swing back to yesteryear.
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JD–I love posts from this end of the wealth spectrum and I hope you continue to feature them on GRS.
It strikes me as odd that so many of the above readers cannot find anything to relate to in here. I think (but I’m not sure) that JD has previously written posts on optimizing one’s time and Trent over at Simple Dollar frequently writes about calculating the hourly value of different tasks. Erica appears to have looked at how she was spending her time, what the cost would be to outsource certain tasks, and whether it would be better for her business and her own happiness to continue to perform those tasks herself or to outsource them. I think this is a pretty basic and uncontroversial topic in the PF blogosphere and I’m not sure why so many people appear to object to it now. I’m not in debt but I find points of interest and information of value in many posts on the subject of getting out debt.
What I think some people ARE objecting to is Erica’s use of the word “passion” to describe the feelings of her employees. Since, unlike Erica, I don’t know any of those people personally, I really can’t say what their passions are. Maybe passion was the wrong word to use to describe how they feel about their job, although maybe it wasn’t.
But honestly and in all seriousness, why is it acceptable to be passionate about cooking at a restaurant but not as a personal chef? Why is it acceptable to be passionate about being a professional organizer but not a personal assistant? Why can a VA in the Philippines not be passionate about video editing? I have friends who do jobs that I would hate to do. These same friends think my job would make them miserable. I don’t judge them for the things they enjoy doing and they return the favor.
I have known people who clean houses for a living and hate it. I have known people clean houses for a living and find cleaning really satisfying–which is why she started doing it in the first place. I’m not disputing that many people working in low-paying “menial” jobs would change jobs for a higher wage but the only people who come off as smug to me in this entire debate are the ones who presume to judge which jobs are ok for people to enjoy doing and which ones aren’t.
I read Erica’s post as discussion of using our time and money to pursue the job or activities we most enjoy. I don’t think she was commenting on poverty in the developing world, global unemployment, or the lack of job opportunities and advancement for the working class. These are all interesting and worthy topics to discuss but there are other places to do so. This is a personal finance blog and Erica kept her post relevant to her personal situation.
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Wow, I was surprised at the vehemence of some of these responses. OK, so maybe the viewpoint that her housecleaner is following a passion is a bit over the top. But the truth of the matter is, it’s not up to Erica to evaluate how happy her housecleaner etc. is. That’s up to the other party to determine. Nobody is forcing the housecleaner, chef, nor VA’s into the arrangement – they’re doing it of their own free will. If the arrangement wasn’t mutually beneficial, they wouldn’t take part, as simple as that.
I do wonder how long a million dollars will last at this burn rate. Doesn’t seem like it will last all that long.
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Wow! Well, it’s taken me almost an hour just to read all the comments. Thank you–all of you, regardless of your viewpoint–for commenting.
There are a few points I want to address. First, the charity point that came up. There’s no way I could have explained everything I’ve done with my money–that would be a book, not a blog post.
Yes, I do donate to charity–thousands of dollars a year. I also donate my time. Two instances that come to mind recently are helping a local non-profit with their website and volunteering 30 minutes of my time to help coach a mom who wanted to make her blog her full-time income.
Hiring people isn’t charity in the same sense, but it is giving people a leg up who need it and are willing to work hard.
I apologize for not knowing the proper definition of “windfall.” My understanding was that it was any time someone got a large amount of money. It apparently has an “unearned” connotation. Good to know.
For the folks complaining about $3/hr, this is an upper-middle-class income in those countries. People are people, and these folks are willing to work hard for a good wage. I don’t see anything wrong with that. I wouldn’t hire someone just because they are American. I hire the most effective person for the job (and price does factor into that, but it’s more about quality for me.)
Those folks who have a problem with outsourcing to other countries will be happy to know that both of the people working on my new startup company are from the U.S. Both live here in California, even.
Regarding the housekeeper work: There are many people out there who genuinely enjoy cleaning. My housekeeper enjoys it and gets paid well. And I help the local economy by hiring her. A win-win.
My personal chef was looking for a waitressing job and was super-stoked to be able to do this instead…so she’s happy about her job, too.
For those of you wondering about my income: I have plenty of savings and my blog and info product business is doing well. I may share income numbers for February on my own blog.
-Erica
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J.D. – I enjoy guest posts such as these. Keep on posting them. I’m not sure why people are in uproar over another persons personal choices.
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For Jiminy Cricket’s sake will all you haters just swallow it and deal? Erica’s post was insightful and interesting.
And stop making yourself look like jingoists by screaming about sending money outside of the US. It’s one thing to bitch about companies mass laying off existing workers to outsource jobs simply to get the CEO a fatter bonus at the end of the year, it’s a different thing to have your head so far up the end where the sun don’t shine that you are bitching about someone creating an entirely new job and hiring someone outside the country. Especially given if you are in the US, the majority of our possessions in life have been created by people who were lucky to have been paid $1 an hour to make them.
And for $%#@ sake, get over your little “Well if I had all the free time in the world, I would definitely not be…” because you wouldn’t. PERIOD. There are very few of us who have had to work for our living who really know how to handle our free time when it regularly comes in packages larger than a weekend.
Neither sets of my grandparents or my parents could handle retirement, in fact despite the fact that all three couples have more than enough money stashed away to live comfortably for the remainder of their expected lifespan, all of them decided to go back to work once AFTER they had retired, simply because they didn’t know what to do with themselves. And I completely expect them to die working if they have that choice. And it won’t be because they have a passion for the work, it’ll be because they’ve experienced what it feels like to wake up day after day and not have some sort of goal to be working towards.
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By the way, I am amazed that no one commented that I justified all my ridiculous purchases. I read my own post back and thought surely that someone would point that out! I had to laugh at myself for all my justifications on blowing $50,000+.
The post wasn’t intended to be smug, by the way. I write in a really blunt style. It can come off as smug–I can see that–but that wasn’t the intent.
-Erica
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@Troy: I agree, the amount of money here is not really that great, but remember its long term capital gains. What this article does give you insight into is what happens after the big win.
Last night I had dinner with someone that just cashed out with $50 million a few months ago. Now that’s real money by almost anyone’s standards. I know a number of people that have exited with $10 million plus and what happens is something that most people don’t have much insight into. Unlike the lottery, most of these people were the #1 person at their company. They get bought out which is supposed to be the pinnacle of success and then they find they have nothing to do. Furthermore, they are no longer the boss and that is really difficult for a lot of people. They go through the buying stuff phase and catching up on the life they deferred but then there is the “what next” moment. Their options are 1) start the next venture, 2) play golf, tennis, etc., 3) Give back to younger entrepreneurs by being an advisor,lecturer, etc. Sounds like Erica is doing a little of this with her blog.
I have to imagine that after a while the bug will hit Erica again and she’ll be looking for a serious next venture. $1MM doesn’t last forever but it does allow you to live more comfortably.
To the people on the blog that think Erica is not representative of the audience, remember there are plenty of people reading this blog that have been doing what JD preaches before this blog existed and do have 7 figure net worths.
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Erica, Thanks for sharing!
Good Post and Comment#110
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I choose to live frugally saving around 60% of my gross earnings and live a very happy life. It costs very little for a good book (maybe even free from the library), nothing for a long refreshing walk etc.
The society that we live in today really forces people to consume and keep up with the ‘Jones’s’ next door. It’s something that I actively chose to remove myself from and feel a lot better for it.
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@ Honey — I agree! I often think that people who read these PF blogs think that everyone has to have a job that is their “passion” or their “bliss”. Many people simply have jobs they enjoy or they don’t mind. What’s wrong with that?
I’ve seen people pursue their passions only to burn out later and wind up hating the thing they once loved so much. I don’t think everyone finds their bliss at work — or needs to.
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#113 LiveCheap.com wrote: “I have to imagine that after a while the bug will hit Erica again and she’ll be looking for a serious next venture.”
Nice guess!
It already did. In 2009 I had a startup idea. I offered to buy another small company that was already doing what I wanted, but we couldn’t agree on a price. That founder eventually abandoned his offer in the market and I decided to jump in with both feet. I’ve released the name of the company on my blog, and expect to launch an alpha version in the next 30 days.
This idea just would *not* let me go. I woke up at night thinking about it. I diagrammed the structure of the site and my brain kept coming up with feature ideas. Finally, I gave in and decided to run with it.
I just hired two people to get it going. I will, of course, be sharing a lot about it on my blog (especially since the company is centered around blogging!)
I did discover I like running companies even more than I like blogging…which actually came as a shock to me, since I enjoy blogging. I plan to continue blogging and also do my startup.
-Erica
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Completely agree with Tyler Karaszewski .
He said exactly what I wanted to say.
When somebody employs another person to do work, it is only an exchange of services. Exchange of services is what any economy is about. This exchange of services could be with a person in US or with a person abroad. This is called globalization. Just because somebody is providing that service to an employer does not mean that the employer is doing the employee a favor. The author should clearly note this.
I am happy for her that the author could make a million dollars “windfall” from her business. But she should note that a million dollars before taxes does not make you rich. It is a different culture here in America but outside of US in Asian cultures not even the richest person of that country would say in public that I am rich since that is considered disrespectful to others who read or hear about it.
I don’t have a million dollars but am very very content with what I have and I am in no way jealous of the author. (What is there to be jealous of her, she says she was in depression after getting that million dollars). I don’t need the million dollars and don’t need that depression.
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@ Erica
I think many are misunderstanding your point. By pointing out your windfall (“an unexpected gain or piece of good fortune” so I think yours applies even though you earned it) it seems as though you are using that as the justification for paying someone to clean or cook for you. It sounds like it has instead allowed you to live debt free and take on more risk with your newer ventures. But other than setting the scene it is a non-issue.
There are two stories here. One story is receiving $1M and finding not working isn’t all it’s cracked up to be and this propelling you into the last stage of personal finance. The second story is being in the last stage of PF and being willing to pay other people to do your work.
I think the second story is partially muddied by comparing someone who cleans your house with a VA/contractor who helps you do business. They aren’t the same thing.
So in other words, your writing style is okay and you were clear with what you said, but the story as a whole is a little muddied and your point was lost.
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Ugh, I thought this was a terrible article. So bad that I had to come out of Google Reader to comment on it. More than 1,000 words talking about how she pays people to do her chores so she can spend more time meditating? Where is the value in this article?
And, does she really think that her cleaning lady has a ‘passion’ for cleaning. Ha!
And nothing about this post indicates that she’s living a sustainable life. $1million dollars isn’t that much money!
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Erica,
Good for you – thanks for responding to the replies and for writing the article in the first place. Like some of the other commenters here, I suspect that a lot of the negative reactions stem from jealousy.
J.D.
Please continue to post articles from people who have become wealthy. Ultimately, that is our goal (although reading some of the comments today, I wonder). It inspires me and gives me an idea of the types of challenges I will have. Part of what makes a successful journey a success is the ability to look forward. Hopefully, the naysayers will begin to understand the value of that instead of merely being stuck in the “now” of debt.
For what it’s worth, I personally can’t relate to the “create budgets, clear debt, be frugal” type of posts, but have a simple solution. I just don’t comment and wait for the next post. Maybe some of the people commenting today should have done the same.
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I, too, would like to see more posts on the “now what” stage of personal finance. Unfortunately, this post offered nothing useful to me. I don’t need to know how to spend my money. I’ve mastered that!
I need to know when I have enough.
When I have enough, I need to know how to make it last indefinitely.
I need to know if I should continue saving in my retirement accounts (which I can’t touch for many years) or start contributing more to non-retirement accounts (which I can use at any age).
I need to know if I should stay in my current house or downsize.
I need to know how much I’ll need *just* for health insurance.
These would be useful discussions.
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Clearly being rich is a state of mind. I live at India, I knew Erica because she hired me. I use an iMac ride a bicycle and would like to believe I’m happy. The biggest cause of misery is debt, or more specifically credit card debt with atrocious interest charges. I am surprised that such thing is actually not outlawed in the United States. We in India and the rest of the world are far more prudent about who is eligible for a loan Personal or otherwise.
What am I waiting for?
I am waiting for wireless broadband to hit India so that I can sell off the apartment I am living at and move to a smaller village and keep transcribing or working online and maybe teach at a village school how to read and write english! Sometimes not working is an important stage of life.
And about the million bucks let us not forget she managed to sell off the business at the right time at a good price. Timing is everything!
I have never travelled or live in the Unites States, all my knowledge of the country is second hand.
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Hate this post, truly and absolutely hate it. You are not doing all those people a favor by hiring them, don’t kid yourself. They work same as many people do in something they probably don’t like.
Regarding some people that wish they can be rich to stop working, maybe your goals aren’t properly focused. You should love what you do, love going to work, to the point that you would work for free (if you didn’t need the money). Otherwise you will continually live an unhappy and unfulfilled life, waiting for that day that you will be “free” of work.
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I’d love to get the chance to see if I’d be depressed if I had a million dollars! And I promice not to become a snob, now all I need is someone to give me 1 million and I’ll prove it….=)
Such strong emotions on both sides..it makes for really interesting reading. I see the points made in each of them.
Um, yes..I’ll admnit I’m a tiny bit jelous of her..
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#126 -hmmm, i really do appreciate getting an international perspective. you rarely hear people characterize a credit card as a loan in the states, but that’s essentially what it is. as to why it is not outlawed, freedom cuts both ways.
i want to echo all of the previously expressed sentiments on here encouraging J.D. to post about the end stage of personal finance and its inherent challenges. or even different kinds of debt that is often more enduring for people who attend (ed) graduate school, student loans, the total debt may be anywhere between 75-200K. something more nuanced than figure out what type of loan you have, pay it off early, i would love to see success stories about how people paid it off much sooner than anticipated.
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I’d like to point out two comments from people I hired:
#97 Lisa Morosky, who is my VA–she’s based in Chicago
#126 Koz, who is based in India
You can judge for yourself whether they are happy, fulfilled, etc. Or better yet, ask them personally.
-Erica
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Erika is her own business. From a business standpoint, she is concentrating on her Critical Success Factors (CSFs), which are the things she does particularly well to support the main goal of her business, such as conducting interviews, and brainstorming on ideas for the direction of her business. Since she is self-employed, her personal and business lives collide. The result is that she outsources items (which happen to be personal, such as cooking & cleaning) which are not CSFs. Companies outsource their CSFs everyday. In fact, Cisco is renowned for being “the hardware company that doesn’t make hardware”. Cisco’s employees are the brains behind the hardware, but Cisco doesn’t make one piece; they outsource the hardware building to other companies.
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I’m not the same Crystal as the one above, but I completely agree…and I’m jealous of her freedom. I don’t hate my job, but I’d like being retired even more.
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WOW, there’s a lot of really ugly envy out there! This post was well-written by a well-intentioned person, and like most other blog posts, it’s merely an interesting glimpse into someone else’s life and life choices. I found it refreshing to read a wealthy person’s honest thoughts about wealth and what they do with their money. It’s hard to get information like this, as money-talk is so taboo in our culture. Plus, people like this author probably get tired of being judged for speaking their truth.
A couple of other points…
People are revealing themselves to be idiots with their judgmental comments about paying people in third-world countries. If you are critiquing Erica for doing this, then I hope you aren’t buying the 90% of consumer items that are sold in this country but are made by people in sweatshops in China, the Philippines, India, etc. Those people earn less than a dollar a day!!! (NOT the $3.33 an hour that Erica pays.) Yet most of us happily wear the clothing they slave to make or buy our kids the toys they make that are sold at Walmart and The Gap and everywhere else. Furthermore, you cannot do direct comparisons. $3.33 is middle income or upper income in the Philippines. I assure you that no one is being exploited. And if you’re a capitalist, I don’t see why you are complaining. Erica has the right to pay people anywhere in the world to do the work she wants as long as they aren’t being exploited. There is no moral duty to hire someone in the US. They aren’t any more deserving of work than people in other countries. And paying someone $3.33 in a developing country is A LOT more more than the equivalent of what any reader is paying their housekeeper, babysitter, gardener, or other low-wage worker in the US. A lot more of you are low-wage employers yourselves than you realize!
Second, some of the commentor’s financial analysis of Erica’s situation is purely idiotic. She gave you the breakdown of her spending in her post, and if you pay attention, you’ll see that she’s actually not spending much on outsourcing what she doesn’t want to do. Her chef obviously delivers the food (is not full time) and costs less than may of you spend on restaurants and groceries. Her virtual assistants are a small budget item if you add up the hourly wages and the number of hours she probably uses them. And part of what she outsources is obviously related to her current business, so I assume that Erica is making money. Finally, I appreciate Erica’s point that she hasn’t blown money on things that aren’t important to her. She rents, and $4000 for a house in SF that she shares with someone is very reasonable for her situation. She’s chosen not to tie up all of her money in equity. Were she the average American, she’d still be shopping like a crazy person, which she seems to have curbed after her initial spending spree.
So, maybe pause long enough with the judging and envy to see if you could possibly learn something.
JD: I hope you keep posting articles that are relevant to people who are already financially secure. All of your readers aren’t drowning in debt. And even poor people can benefit from reading about the lives and choices of people who are wealthy.
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1. Why are there regular readers of a blog authored by a lucky girl who didn’t “get rich slowly”. She apparently “got rich” by selling an online business to somebody who had more money than brains, and was told by an advisor “you need to be ON THE INTERNETS!!!”. Much like people who were flipping houses in 2006, the idea was to find a bigger moron with more money in order to resell this “business”. Note that this scheme blew up in 2007, for both real estate and online “properties”. The music came to an end, and the last sucker still in the game is left with no chair to sit in. (This is an allusino to “musical chairs”, for the dumb people who read this blog).
2. As a poster above noted, a million bucks comes out to around 600,000$ after taxes, and she reaped it at the peak of the market bubble, so likely she has not increased that sum since then.
3. Her “strategy” of renting everything, doing nothing, and paying others to do all of the activities in life that required of independent human beings, means she is living like a 5 year old with a Mommy.
5 year olds are not that interesting, really, to any adults except their parents.
4. This “life” she is championing is the very definition of a mindless, vapid, and pointless existence. Ironically, with this blog posting, she could be the poster child for the truly rich and infantile people that clutter up the curbs on Wall Street. She, like they, will be focused on seeking the answer to the only question that will remain in her empty, soulless life: “How can I get more?”.
5. I’m going to bet that this 26 year old is fat, dumpy, narcissistic, monomaniacal, and, in a word, a tedious boor.
Seriously…you folks who adulate this person? You are the passengers on the space cruise ships in Wall-E.
And again, because you’ve already forgotten the top of my comment: You are reading a blog called “Getting Rich Slowly” by someone who has exactly ZERO knowledge of how to do that, based on her own description of her own life.
That said, I’m out of here. Off to climb a mountain.
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I liked the article. We all outsource, even if we call it something else. I pay for yard service and it is the BEST thing I ever did. Seeing how cheaply JD gets housecleaning (we’re in the same town) I might have to look into that.
It is important to realize that making a million dollars selling your business does NOT make you a millionaire. She’s not independently wealthy, as one person said. She’s made choices (no debt being the biggest) that allow her to decide how to spend her money. ALL of her money.
Thanks for sharing the article with us, JD.
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One other thought: What’s up with the self-important rants from commentors about the level of happiness of the people Erica hires??? She seems to be providing fairly-paid jobs to people in the US and overseas who are treated well and who are in reasonable bargaining positions. It’s unclear to me how one can critique this. Thousands of companies similarly hire people every day in the US, yet Erica seems to be held up to some higher standard. She seems to be a more ethical employer to me than 95% of corporate America. I’m guessing that most of the ranting commentors have hired babysitters before (or someone else for some other purpose). I will assume that you paid them $50 an hour and only hired people who are 100% passionate about your children or your other labor. Furthermore, why do you get to rage against Erica based on your assumptions about the passion-level of her housekeeper? Who cares? Some people really do enjoy housework, or even if they don’t, they enjoy having their own small business and being in control of their hours and their work.
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I think it is really interesting that in so many comments defending this article we who did not like it are accused of being poor and jealous. Some of you even forecast our futures of continued (deserved! lazy!) poverty! The more reactive defenders sound far more scornful of the poor than I think we sound jealous of the rich. I’m not poor nor am I jealous. I simply did not like the guest post but I think the discussion opened up a big vein of Blame The Poor as much as it did Blame The Rich. This makes the post worthwhile for me after all, because it illustrates that money is NOT a morally neutral tool.
And Posts #133 & #135, your posts contain some of the most ranting and raging tones of all. Please stop the name calling.
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@127–If I was in a circumstance where I had to clean houses for a living (not something I enjoy, but I manage to keep my apartment tidy), the only thing worse than offering to scrub someone else’s toilet would be no one taking me up on the offer.
So yeah, in a way, she IS doing them a favor. By hiring them. And giving them money. Which they obviously want, and are willing to earn.
I like what another commenter said–it’s not like she’s grabbing random people off the street and forcing them to clean her house. They offered. How do you think these workers would be feeling if NO ONE hired them?
And to the people who are complaining about the (admittedly dreadful) situation of outsourcing, how many of you are voting with your dollars to keep the economy local: shop at independent boutiques, not Marshalls. Buy meat and vegetables from local farmers, not from Safeway. Support independent music and book stores, instead of purchasing these products from Amazon.
Lots of people don’t do these things because they’re MORE EXPENSIVE. It simply costs a business more to have American employees. You are trying to save money, so you go to the places that have the best price. It makes sense. So why, exactly, should Erica pay an American worker more to do her video editing?
It’s easy to be generous and free-spending with someone else’s money. What are you doing to support YOUR local economy? I’d love to see some guest posts about that. People who consciously choose to buy less at a higher price, because it gives back to the community and brings better quality. Maybe I will pitch that guest post myself…
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A few final points from me:
1) While my initial response was negative, please do not mistake this negativity due to jelaousy.
2) I too would like some posts for people at the later stages of personal finance like Erica.
3) A windfall is either unearned or unexpected or both, Erica was right to call it a windfall if it was unexpected she could receive that much for her company.
4) No one commented on blowing $50k because that’s a relatively small portion of Erica’s “windfall” (5%) to blow on clothes, furniture, etc. If you spent $500k on a sportscar, you might have heard grumblings.
5) I’m glad Erica is fulfilled now and has found joy in her new work and start-ups rather than reading self help books all day. That should have been the focus of the article, not about paying people to do things you dislike doing and why this is good for them.
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Just as a note:
I am freelance editor. I charge $35 to $50 an hour depending on the project. I also own none of my own equipment.
My guess is that she looked into a US editor – found out how expensive they were and looked elsewhere. I don’t blame her one bit.
Also, did anyone consider that perhaps this person only quoted her $1.50 an hour and she might be paying them double? Or that $3.33 in American dollars in some countries can buy several times more than it can here?
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Christina Gremore @137
I don’t care about my local community. At least not enough to pay more for goods and services simply because they are local. I don’t have a problem with people who do, but that’s just not how my philosophy works. I pay people who offer the service closest to what I want closest to the price I want. But I DO try to take into account exactly what service is being offered. Very often that is beyond a product. I have a hard time with people who spend hours at Best Buy checking out electronics just to go buy it cheaper on Amazon. If you are using the ‘service’ of physically being able to interact with a product then you shouldn’t buy it via mail order.
Perhaps I am jaded. I grew up in a pretty rural area and if you wanted something you were typically charged a lot for it. Sometimes this was justified, sometimes it was just because they could. But ultimately the local people aren’t running a business as a favor to me. They are in it to make money. So why should I spend more to buy things from them as a favor to them?
Figure out how to make a profit, or go out of business. But then again if Walmart is the only shop available in town I understand that’s an economic reality, just like higher prices were a reality before Walmart moved in.
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@126 I was at a talk at the ASSA meetings in January (that’s the American Economics Association’s annual conference) where a book on loans in India was discussed. There’s a lot of high interest short-term loaning (similar to pay-day loans in the US, but with a lower default rate because of the personal repeated game nature of the loans) going on… maybe not where you are, but definitely somewhere in India. There are both personal lenders and micro-finance lenders and both charge much higher interest rates than do credit cards in the US. The case studies were very interesting… some people preferred high interest debt to low interest debt because it forced them to moderate their spending and pay back the loan quickly.
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BRAVO on #42 comment by mmeetoilenoir.
Very well said!!!!
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I really liked this post. (And the ensuing discussion!!) It’s good to hear from people from all over the financial spectrum. And who knows, I could find myself in her shoes one day. (hey, I can dream…)
I admire people who can create. Create jobs, businesses, ideas, products that people want and can use. I also admire the drive to follow through on these ideas and make them happen. Not everyone can do that. Erica created a business that became in demand, and paid off well for her. Good for her. Now she’s creating another one, providing a service which there’s a demand for, that no one else is providing. Good for her. If she wants to outsource to Pluto that’s her business; her customers will let her know if her quality suffers, or if they don’t think she’s being as ethical as she could be.
I do not have my own business, nor am I likely to, but I’m now a fan of Erica and her blog. I think there is plenty I could learn from her.
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Shara @141,
I see your point. I don’t think people have a moral obligation to spend more at a local business just as a favor to them. I agree: if you can’t make a profit, go out of business. Although I generally shop local because it’s worth it to me, I admit that I get 80% of my wardrobe from the Gap (mainly because they always have sales and coupons I can use). Clothes just aren’t worth that much to me.
My comments about buying local were more directed to the commenters who were bothered by the fact that Erica had hired VAs who live in the Philippines because they only cost $3/hr, instead of paying Americans more to do the same work.
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I don’t mind the occasional guest post, but I have to say that this article really doesn’t seem to belong in Get Rich Slowly. What a revelation: “I’m rich, so now I’ll hire a maid.” Gee, if I had a million dollars, I would never think to hire a maid. Who knew that life would be easier if you could afford to pay someone to do stuff you don’t like to do?
The whole post comes across as a bit financially irresponsible. It seems like it could be titled: “Have money to burn? Here are some ideas on how to spend it!” I know this isn’t the whole story, and she didn’t say what she’s doing with the rest of the money, but what about a plan to make the money last, so she doesn’t end up like those lottery winners who go broke in a few years? A million dollars really isn’t that much, especially in a high cost of living area (and if typical mortgage payments are over $4000/month, I’d say Erica is living in an expensive area).
J.D. often cautions against lifestyle inflation. I see nothing wrong with upgrading some things in your life if you have more money, because really, what’s the point in working so hard to get more money if you can’t enjoy it? But I do think that such upgrades should be evaluated against a long-term plan. Will these VAs pay for themselves in increased productivity for Erica? Will she be able to maintain her standard of living indefinitely? If she has kids, will she be able to set aside enough money for their education? Maybe, maybe not, but I think that type of information would have made for a better article.
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Wow! I think the comments generated from this post are far more interesting than the post itself.
The dividing views truly show the thinking structures between the “Poor” vs the “Rich”. No offense to anyone who hasn’t “made it” yet. This is just simply an observation.
For those people who are still struggling with daily bills, debt and wondering where the financial stability is, they simply claim that they can’t relate to his post. “How dare you let other people clean your toilets while you have your own hands???” It seems some people just hate rich people because they can buy something that the poor normally wouldn’t or couldn’t buy. If you have that mentality, you will never be one of the riches. Being rich isn’t a sin.
For those more well off people who have been there and done it, they understand the value of time and freedom to do what is more productive so they don’t see anything wrong with hiring people to do services for them.
And for those Americans who hate the word “oursourceing”. Sorry, this is a global economy era. If we Americans can’t compete with foreigners on cost and quality, we will lose to them. Simple as that. The right way of thinking is how do we provide better values so the jobs stay in house, rather than “oh Erica, cuz you are an American and I am an American, I deserve your job better than those Asians even though you have to pay me 5 times more!!”. That’s pretty sad if you think that way…
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while I appreciate the intent of what you are doing, as a personal chef I wish to point out that no personal chef I know or have ever been associated with would work for that price. We are members of professional associations with high standards and training. If a chef is charging prices like that, likely she is operation illegally, cooking out of her own kitchen. Stories like this give the personal chef profession ( that is what it is not a side gig) a bad name.
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I think it is difficult for a lot of people to see too far beyond where they are currently financially. JD has talked about the different financial phases we go through, and I think it is hard for someone still trying to pay off debt to fathom that one day they will be free from the burden of that and will move on to greater things.
I have been thinking about a similar topic recently. Not outsourcing, necessarily, but working less. The industrial and technological revolutions were supposed to give us more leisure time (since machines should be doing all the work, right?). Instead, we work just as hard but buy more stuff. That seems wrong. Why not use our resources to create more leisure time? I have been thinking about trying to work part time. I could easily live on half what I make, so why work twice as much as I need? Why is working 40 hours a week valued so strongly in our society?
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Oh boo hoo that your sudden wealth made you depressed. It’s nice that you can rationalize paying someone $3 an hour as a great wage – no matter what country they live in. It sounds like your life is still very superficial, and you are only happy because you don’t do anything!
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