This guest post from Maria is part of the new “reader stories” feature here at Get Rich Slowly. Some reader stories contain general “how I did X” advice, and others will be examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. This story very much reminds me of the book for unmarried couples I reviewed earlier this week.
This is a story about a relationship between two people and some money.
Part 1
Boy meets girl. Boy moves in with girl. Household expenses are split and all seems well. Years pass. Boy wants to change cities for professional reasons. Girl wants to finish grad school. They make a deal: They’ll move when the degree is finished.
Warning signs: She is paying a greater share as the years go by and her career advances. He doesn’t take any concrete steps toward advancing his own career. He has sold his car ‘to save money’ and relies on her to drop him at the train station for his job. He has no real friends and his ‘project partners’ (in six years, there’s only one finished project) all seem to be women. And then:
Part 2
The degree is finished and true to the deal, she starts organizing a move. She researches new jobs cross-country. She rents a truck, makes hotel reservations, and arranges for a friend to drive the car in caravan with them. Oh, by the way, she’ll pay the friend’s airfare home. She puts down the money on an apartment. She lands a job, but he says he needs some time off work to get things going. They make a new deal: She’ll cover the rent for a while so he can concentrate on jump-starting his career. Years pass. His career hasn’t started. The subject comes up fairly often, but she hates to fight.
Warning signs: By the end of three years, not only is she paying all living expenses, she’s giving him an allowance to cover his “career-building” expenses. He hasn’t held a job since the move. His ‘project partners’ still all seem to be women. He has built no social or professional network and does not participate in her social life. (This didn’t bother her much when she was in grad school, but life is different now.) She doesn’t really want to live alone, and she tells herself he isn’t costing her much more than it would cost to live alone; but their relationship has become that of roommates. And then:
Part 3
She takes up an activity she’s passionate about. He isn’t interested. She meets someone new and tells her roommate she wants to pursue the new relationship. He panics. He asks her to marry him. He argues. He threatens. He marches her into the bank and stands at her back while she takes cash advances on six credit cards, a total of $30,000. He deposits the money in his own account. She tells him that they can’t continue to live together, and she can’t afford to move because she doesn’t have the money for a deposit. He won’t move out. She starts spending most nights and weekends away.
Warning signs: The whole situation.
Part 4
After months of misery, she is able to finally get him out by renting a truck, packing it with almost all their possessions, and driving it to his sister’s home nearby. With the expenses of the move, her own living expenses, and the extortion debt, she is barely making ends meet. She has no savings and no assets. She talks things over with the new partner. They decide bankruptcy may be the best solution. She asks around and gets the name of a firm of attorneys.
Part 5
The attorneys hear the story, go through all the paperwork, and agree that going after the ex in court would be both expensive and unlikely to result in restitution. A bankruptcy petition is prepared and filed, at a cost of a few hundred dollars. She has to appear in court. She feels like an idiot, a failure, a disappointment to herself. The judge hears a brief statement of her reasons for the petition, nods, signs off. That’s all. Ten years later, the bankruptcy is off the credit report. Had she not filed, she would still be making payments on the debt.
Author’s note
This is a true story. I’ve heard similar stories from half a dozen women, and a couple of men, in my city. At least I never married him. At least I didn’t have to smuggle my belongings to my office and store them under my desk until I had all the essentials together, and leave for a new state from the office, like one of my friends did. At least I wasn’t that scared.
In hindsight, perhaps I should have either moved out immediately or had the bank call the police. But I didn’t want to feel responsible if he hurt himself, I surely didn’t want him to hurt anyone else, and his behavior was sufficiently frightening that I believed one of those outcomes was possible. So I bought him off.
What is the moral of this story?
Don’t cover expenses for another able-bodied adult without a contract, and don’t make financial deals that only favor one party.
Reminder: This is a story from one of your fellow readers. Please be nice. After nearly a decade of blogging, I have a thick skin, but it can be scary to put your story out in public for the first time. Remember that this guest author isn’t a professional writer, and is just learning about money like you are.
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I don’t feel any sympathy for either party.
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I certainly think the woman in this story got screwed over by the guy in this story, but she let him do it to her.
I do feel a tremendous amount of sympathy for her.
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That guy sounds like a douche and he definitively took advantage of her.
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The past is in the past. At least now you can move forward w/o looking over your shoulder.
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Stories like this one will probably make a positive contribution to the US culture. It will start letting women know the feelings that happen when a hard working person supports another able bodied adult.
Having grown up when I did, I’m amazed to meet women of my own generation, without children, who have no problem with letting their husbands completely support them.
Yes, I also know plenty of women who are grown-ups who could never tolerate this. I’m just saying I’m amazed that there are the other type still around.
Maybe a GRS reader from an earlier generation can comment, but it seems to me like men from the 20 something generation have no problem with letting a woman support them.
Guys, in case you haven’t heard. Grown-ups take care of themselves, especially men. If you are letting a woman support you when there is nothing to prevent you from getting a job, any job, to bring any amount of money in then you aren’t a man. You are a boy living with a substitute mama.
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Off topic — if you are living with someone and you aren’t going out to do things together anymore it is probably a sign that the relationship is starting to end.
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I’ll make a couple of unpopular assertions here. First, the death of male honor plays a big role in this story. There’s a wave of perpetual adolescence in this country. Men need to rise up and be men and not spend their whole lives playing.
Second, marriage. Maybe they both knew they weren’t really serious about each other (not serious enough to commit to anything more than living together, anyway). If the guy’s not worth marrying, he’s not worth shacking up with. Seriously, get married and start a family. If a man’s not worth that, he’s not worth living with, and he’s going to make you unhappy.
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Wow. I feel for you. This is like a “worse-that-could-have-happened” version of my own story, if you see what I mean… here goes:
Part 1
Boy meets girl. Boy and girl are still studying – so no money, except for a tiny scholarship on both ends. Boy moves in with girl – at girl’s parents’ home (remember : no money). Household expenses are covered by girl’s parents, and girl gives all her scholarship to her parents because she feels guilty, even though they said they didn’t want her to pay anything. But it’s only temporary. They make a deal: they’ll move when their degrees are finished.
Warning signs : the only people paying anything are girl’s parents and girl. Boy doesn’t seem to mind.
Part 2
Girls enters grad school and start earning a real salary. Boy still isn’t finished and doesn’t earn anything. Boy doesn’t want to move into a tiny apartment, so everything stays the same. They make a deal: they’ll move when boy’s degree is finished and they have 2 salaries.
Warning signs : same as before.
Part 3
Boy’s degree is finished. He has good excuses for not starting to search for a job : he hurt his back, he needs some rest… and yet boy doesn’t want to schedule a one week vacation because he might have some interviews to go to. Boy doesn’t want to sign up for unemployement because it’s only temporary. Months pass. Boy doesn’t bother to give excuses anymore. His career hasn’t started. The subject comes up fairly often, but she hates to fight.
Warning signs: He has built no social or professional network and does not participate in her social life. Their relationship has become that of roommates. He doesn’t seem to mind staying at her parents.
Part 4
Girl can’t stand the whole situation anymore. Boy is probably depressed but girl has history of depression herself and can’t afford to relapse on his account. Girl starts to look for a one-room apartment for herself. Girl moves out on her own and sends boy back to his parents. Girl finally has a life of her own and sees boy maybe once a week. After 14 months of doing nothing, boy still hasn’t begun job hunting. Girl doesn’t like that but stays relatively calm : it is now Someone Else’s Problem.
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Sad story for both individuals.
I feel sympathy for the male in the story. At one time is sounded like he had ambition, but he let himself become a child in the relationship.
As for the woman, good for her for getting out of it, at least she realized that the relationship turned bad and now has a chance to get ahead in life. Ironically, if the male comes out of his stupor, he might too.
So messy in the short term will be positive in the long term! At least there weren’t and kids involved (at least we hope…)
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Insightful post. I believe my sister is going through the same thing. The guy she has been with for the past 3 years lives in her house but doesn’t have a steady income. He has money to support his smoking vice but can’t seem to help out for expenses. When issues come up he’s out the door to a “meeting”.
On all accounts I feel he’s a mooch at the least (OK parasite). I talked to my sister about the guy but she says “he’s not like that”. All I can do is quietly reminder my sister about the small things I see happening and hopes she adds them up although I risk ruining my relationship with her.
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Thanks for sharing. This kind of thing is sadly all too common, and you are brave for finding your way out of it and then sharing it with others.
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That guy sounds like every “bad boy” I know. They won’t do anything except hang around with women and work out. Nice guys may finish last, but we have more money and always will have
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I think the real moral to the story is: there are much much worse things than living alone.
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Look, although I am not one to support co-habitation on moral grounds, let’s not act as though that’s the reason why this happened. Just as many husbands (and wives) become deadbeats; I don’t think a marriage license has anything to do with it.
Let’s stop being judgmental of Maria because she lived with the guy. Let’s just be happy for her that’s she’s finally out of this crummy situation, apparently the wiser for it.
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I do have some sympathy for the woman. The man didn’t start of as a moocher, so I can see how the woman would think she could help him out while he jump-started his career. He probably made a lot of promises about his career and how much money he would make once he got going. It also looks like maybe the woman was afraid that if she broke up with the man that she wouldn’t be able to find someone else, so perhaps this made her put up with the situation for longer.
The part I don’t understand is: He marches her into the bank and stands at her back while she takes cash advances on six credit cards, a total of $30,000. He deposits the money in his own account. Huh? Why on earth would you do this? Because he’s standing behind you? Maybe if he had a gun to your back, but unless I’m missing something, he didn’t.
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Congrats for finally being out!
For my part, I like this story. Not the facts of it, but thank you for telling. It’s good for people to hear. This didn’t happen to me, but that was only sheer luck because the deadbeat boyfriend lived a state away (long-distance relationship). When it ended, I think he owed me $300 or so? I also paid for every date except for maybe two, including the one where he broke up with me (yes, yes). This was in college, where neither of us had tons of money, so that $300 was a lot (I graduated with $700 to my name). I just didn’t have a spine and I thought we’d get married, so I didn’t worry about it. Then, at the end, I was also worried he’d do something bad if I pursued the debt at all.
Right now, I am actually living rent-free with my boyfriend. But I am working hard at finding a job, and I’m bringing in sub income when I can. I am actively trying not to be the bad partner that is in so many of these stories. I hope that I’d have the strength to move myself out and back to my parents’ if my situation ever became this bad.
Also, @Sara, I definitely hear you. 30k is a lot! But you’d be surprised what you might do if you were in an emotionally unhealthy relationship for that long. We don’t know all the details here, so it’s hard to judge. She said in the post that she was afraid he’d hurt her, or hurt himself, or hurt someone else. Abusive relationships are just not logical.
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Moral of story? Don’t live together until married and listen to your gut! Abuse is abuse – walk away early because it won’t get any better later on (he is not going to change).
As for #8 Isa’s story – the parents let the boy move in? Wimps. They let an abuser into their own home? Sorry Isa that your parents didn’t do their job and protect you.
What has happened to this country is that we have lost our backbones to stand up to jerks and a##holes. Everybody is so afraid of offending anyone that they let themselves and their children be abused.
And we romantized our children at too young an age. I tell my children no dating until AFTER Graduate School. The whole point of dating to find a spouse. If you aren’t ready to be a spouse, DON’T date.
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I would have called the police had anyone asked me to withdraw $30,000 of my own money. Plain and simple, he was robbing her. And ‘not liking to fight’ is not the way you avoid something awful, it just postpones it. I feel very sorry for this poor woman and hope she is rebuilding her life. She has a good degree and positive professional experience. Best of luck to her.
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El Zarcho has made a good observation……living together before marriage has a higher divorce rate than not living together. If he/she ain’t worth marrying then why waste time wishing, hoping, pretending. Just because he/she can fog a mirror does not make them relationship material.
Although I get that she didn’t know it was broke because that was “her” normal relationship, I suggest she get some counseling to try and discover why (1)she is/was so willing to allow this type of behavior in her life (2) for so long. Maybe that will help her from carrying similar behavoir into her next relationship.
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I went through something similar but to a much lesser degree in my 20s. I moved back in with my parents to pay off all the debt I’d incurred living with the guy. I think girls/women rally need the mental tools to break up with people without guilt. I did as the poster did, rationalized, tried to be easygoing & supportive, figured everyone has problems, etc. I knew the relationship was a bad idea after a few months, but I didn’t listen to my gut. How do I teach my daughter to be different?
Anyway, I’m glad to be reminded that I’m not the only idiot out there. And glad that I was smart enough to marry the right person two years after I broke with the wrong guy!
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The story format was great. No attempts at eloquent illustrative writing, just to the point. For all of those offering advice to Maria, she wasn’t looking for it. It is a cautionary tale meant to teach readers a lesson. You don’t need to warn her, she lived it.
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@S, what are you talking about? Do you know how long graduate school is? I’m 29 years old and me and my friends are just finishing up. All the good men are married by now (including my husband, he’s just finishing with me and he’s 32!) I hope your kids have enough sense to ignore your advice and find love before they are nearly of Advanced Maternal Age, like myself.
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@ #17
There are plenty of stories of husbands and wives ruining each other financially.
The divorce rate is over 50%. You don’t know someone until you live with them, so, IMHO it makes sense to live with someone first. If you can’t get along in that situation, you can’t get along as married people.
Assuming you are right that couples who live together break up more than married people get divorced all that means is that those situations were a success. They prevented unsuccessful marriages.
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Wow… I hope things are better now than just having the bankruptcy off the credit report.
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Money Reasons Says: Wrote
Sad story for both individuals.
I feel sympathy for the male in the story. At one time is sounded like he had ambition, but he let himself become a child in the relationship.
I agree completely, but this comment bothers me.
I was a child in a liberal family in the 1970s. I grew up with the expectation that women would work, just like men.
Most do, but there are a few who don’t and they don’t have children. I got to know such a person as a friend. To be fair, women friends we had in common, who worked, looked down on her a bit for it.
I guess I just resent that some women have the option of baling out on life and are still looked at as grown-ups when I have take all of the work world crap whether I want to or not.
My apologies for this ugly Sunday morning opinion.
I guess I am not the first person to feel cranky and post an obnoxious opinion on the internet.
Have a good weekend everyone.
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Moral lesson learned. Go forth and make a new future!
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The moral of this story has nothing to do with co-habitation vs. marriage. This woman would have been equally screwed had she married the parasite instead of just lived with him.
I think the lesson to take from this is to listen to your head, not just your heart. There were warning signs from the very beginning that the reader chose to ignore.
It can be very hard to see a slippery slope from the top of the mountain. The way to avoid a mistake like this is to create a plan as a couple and stick to it. Thd plan should include contingencies: he will spend $X and Y months or years getting his business up and running. If it doesn’t work then he agrees to move on and do something else. As with any business, there needs to be frequent monitoring. He needed to agree to a plan from the beginning. If he wouldn’t do that, or if the deadbeat boyfriend doesn’t stick to his end of the bargain, then it becomes clearer earlier when to cut him loose.
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One point I didn’t quite understand is why she took out $30k in cash advances for him. Was he threatening her? This sounds like criminal activity that should have involved the police. If she did it of her own free will, then she needs therapy. I don’t mean to be hurtful. But if she thought that would “buy” his love, then she really does need emotional help from a professional.
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What Suzanne said at #27. Marriage wouldn’t have changed a thing, and might have made the situation worse. I’ve seen cases where once the person got married, she/he acted like, “Ok, I’ve snagged him/her, so now I can just coast along.” Marriage doesn’t automatically make people stop being selfish. In fact, it makes it much easier for one person to take advantage of another and much more difficult to get out of a bad situation, especially if all the finances are in one pot.
As far as “why did she let him mooch off of her for so long?” She probably thought she was simply being supportive, like any good partner. We’re so conditioned to think that there is no “I” in a relationship (witness the discussion about joint vs. separate finances last week) and to be unconditionally supportive of someone we love, so I don’t think it’s that big of a leap to get to this situation. Lots of people preach that love means putting someone else’s happiness and well-being above your own. Well, I think that’s a perfect recipe for being a doormat. This post is Exhibit A of what can happen if you buy into that kind of philosophy without using your brain in conjunction with your heart.
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Thank you for sharing this story. Though I personally would not have withdrawn 30k of my own money to buy off an angry boyfriend, I can see how some people would cave in to the pressure. I can relate to a good bit of the story, the initial part where the male cannot make up his mind of what to really do with life. I am in a similar situation (I am pursuing a career and my partner is uncertain), but through communication we’re working on determining where we’re going to head together and what the new career will be. Currently we are splitting the household costs, have emergency funds, pay our own pre-existing debts but we each still also have our own accounts with what I like to call our “gamblin’ money” (it’s the money that’s ours to blow on whatever we want.)
Overall, I’m grateful that someone posted a story that will probably get all kinds of criticism about the intelligence and or manners of both parties. Unfortunately, not all people make the best decisions in all situations, and I think all of us should remember that hindsight is always 20-20.
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Unfortunately, it just seems that the women get “screwed” by men. If I was smart, I’d advise every woman to get tough. Isn’t that the Dad’s role? Make boys into men; girls into mature street-smart women. Seems like everyone needs a “pre-nup”. The fairy tale of romance, marriage, and happily ever after are just illusions. Took a lot courage to put this on “paper”. “Bon courage a vous tous”
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Kudos to the writer for learning from the experience and reaching out to help others. She was a victim of Financial Abuse, plain and simple. I have a friend who went through a situation where she had to leave town, her job, her friends, her possessions, everything to get away from her abuser. She’s recently started a blog about it and it’s helping her immensely. http://www.brokenwingshaven.blogspot.com/
Congrats for taking the steps needed to better yourself and to get away from him. Listen to all the posters here congratulating you, because that’s what you deserve.
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Here’s the part I don’t get. This woman has an advanced degree, a good enough job to support the deadbeat for years, manages cross country moves with no help, and the minute the deadbeat is gone she declares bankruptcy? Where’s the sense of personal responsibility? Everyone who reads this blog knows how hard it is to face a big debt and how empowering it is to face it and pay it down, even if it takes years. In shuffling off her financial responsibilities to society in general (for don’t we all suffer when someone goes bankrupt?) makes me think she’s a bit of a deadbeat too. Sorry, Maria, I don’t mean to be harsh, but you need to ‘woman’ up here too.
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Congratulations for getting out of that situation Maria. It takes a lot of guts to finally make a way to GET OUT. I was in a similar situation, and I’m so happy I finally saved enough money to get him out of the house that we bought together. It’s been 7 years since I told him he was moving in with his parents and he hasn’t worked a day since. I guess his parents love having their adult son mooch off of them. I’m so glad I’m doing my own thing now. Thanks for sharing your story.
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beforewisdom at #25 raises a good point. If the roles were reversed, would people respond the same way?
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I don’t think the root of this story is financial. This is a story about an abusive relationship (perhaps not physical abuse, but the control is the same). People in abusive relationships have a hard time leaving. Their abuser can manipulate them into believing that they are to blame for the abuser’s behavior. It’s easy for us to see that she should have separated from him – it is far less easy to see when you are the one in the relationship and your partner is controlling and manipulative.
The way to avoid these relationships is to learn the warning signs and get out early. See http://www.stoprelationshipabuse.org/index.html for more info.
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Okay, old lady with lots of life experience speaking here.
Girls, This is why you wait for him to ask you out and you let him pay for the date. First test of manhood is that he is brave enough to do the asking and has enough money to pay. There were reasons that these social mores were in place. And before you go out check him out on your state’s sex offender website and see if there are or have been PPOs or lawsuits. Save yourself the nasty surprises.
Secondly, if you are foolish enough to cohabit, if at any time he does not contribute his fair share one of you must move out as soon as possible. If it has to be you so be it, it will save you money in the long run. If you notice any of the other red flags mentioned in the article, make moves to extricate yourself. Don’t expect him to leave, he won’t. And never ever commingle your money or put him on your credit cards, unless you are legally wed.
Save yourself a lot of grief and think through what are your acceptable standards in a relationship prior to entering in. Even more importantly than money, don’t waste time on a relationship that will not be successful. You can eventually get back on your feet financially, but that time can never be recaptured.
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The story is scary. What makes it even more scary is that that guy could be me, if I f*ck up[ in a few years. My gf lives in the US and I will probably move with her next year (I am Dutch). It will be hard at first for me to get a job at my current experience and career level, and I am afraid I would turn into a leach just mooching off of her. But this story will hopefully help me remind not to be such a guy.
On the plus side however, I am in the process of an earning an American degree (the CMA degree), so it should help in landing a job.
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I want to thank the writer of this story. It clarified things I knew and believed. Predators and parasites come in both genders. When people are scared, lonely or complacent the alert gets muted.
Predators and parasites look for weakness and opportunity. The man she wrote about was a parasite of long standing who may or may not declare himself as such.
It was an expensive lesson but it is paying you karma dividends to those that read and learn from it.
In any case, there does need to be a discussion of non-married financial relationships. What is acceptable and what is not.
It still goes back to communication and observation of the behaviors of the other person. If there is no exchange of support, if it is truly lopsided then somebody needs to take two steps back and say “whoa.”
I’m not saying that the financial exchange necessarily has to be monetary. Barter is good. Skills exchange is fair but what do you bring to the table as a responsible adult?
What will you accept as basic responsible adult behavior from a partner whether you live with the person or not? Is the person self-supporting from the get-go?
If not, then allocate the funds for entertainment of this person and the rest of your financials are off limits.
Or just dump them. It is cheaper.
Thank you Maria for helping me to understand this very important lesson.
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I agree with @Suzanne (28) and @kelsey (36). It’s a lot easier to see the pattern from hindsight, and it’s absolutely a slippery slope. Should the author have gotten out sooner? Sure, it’s easy to say that in hindsight, it was a mistake to pay the 30k. But we all make mistakes. What really matters is that we can learn from those mistakes and avoid repeating them.
On the other hand, I disagree with @Nancy (33). Apparently she missed the part where it states that the author had no assets and was barely able to cover living expenses and minimum payments. You can’t just suddenly pull 30k out of the air when you’re in that position. This is why the bankruptcy system exists – to give people a chance to recover from mistakes without being doomed to a lifetime of debt slavery.
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Ouch. What a situation to live through, thank-you for sharing Maria. I suspect you will not repeat those mistakes.
And ouch – this is a tough crowd. I doubt that Maria is trying to defend or rationalize her actions. She acknowledges feeling like an idiot, a failure and a disappointment. People fall in love and enter relationships because of their hearts – sometimes their heads don’t speak loud enough to be heard until they’re out of those crazy situations. I’m sure Maria agrees that some of the decisions she made don’t make any sense – in hindsight.
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#37 GayleRN Says: This is why you wait for him to ask you out and you let him pay for the date.
Um, no – some of us would be waiting until Doomsday before they would go out on a date. I would say that it is fine to split the first day or do the preliminary coffee house/inexpensive meet-ups a few times and observe behavior.
A first date can be whomever ask the other person out pays. That can work well. If you are always paying that can be an alert to slow it down.
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To Mike @41, no, I didn’t miss the part where Maria said she had no assets and could barely cover her expenses, and I don’t mean to be harsh and judgmental, I’m truly sorry for anyone who ends up in a situation like this. I think the point I was trying to make is that we have a growing and to my mind worrying tendency in our society to avoid taking responsibility. I don’t know Maria’s situation, obviously, but she talks about having to drop off the bf in her car. That car is an asset worth money. Second, she could have put the money she’d been paying toward the deadbeat’s allowance and his food and living expenses toward her debt. I would think anyone with an advanced degree is pulling in decent money and should be able to find the money to service 30K. Once the ex was gone, wouldn’t she have a surplus? As she states at the end of her post, she’d still have been paying ten years later. But would she? If she’s reading pf blogs, she’s learning how to manage money, pay down debt and save for the future. Maybe the experience of paying that money back would have taught her some valuable lessons and increased her self esteem so she didn’t end up in bankruptcy court feeling like a failure. That’s all I meant. I’m glad she got out of a horrible situation too.
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The worst part of the whole story for me is that her wake up call to dump the jerk was wanting to date a new guy. And then asking the new guy his opinion on her declaring bankrupcy. Since there is no mention of marriage with the new partner, the new partner should have no say over her money. Hindsight may be 20/20, but she is just going to let it keep happening until she takes control of her life and her money and can live without a man telling her what to do.
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If you watch Judge Judy and the like about half the cases are because of situations like this. Girl and guy live together, one of them lets the other pay for things, “borrows” money, often they break up and break a lease. And the lender tries to sue for their money back.
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I really don’t understand how this isn’t obvious. Don’t date dead beats… Maria: I think it’s great that you are writing a blog post although I think you should focus on things that are non-obvious….
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The comments on this one (with a few fantastic exceptions) are a bit insane. This one tale is proof that no-one should live together before gtting married? That women should wait for guys to ask them out? What?
It’s a real shame that this woman had this experience although I’m happy that it appears she’s moved on to some degree. But I could write a similar post that showed how I supported my then-boyfriend (now husband) at times, both financially and emotionally and in every other way, and he did the same for me, and it all turned out rather swimmingly a decade on.
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Kim Says:
I think the real moral to the story is: there are much much worse things than living alone.
Ha! Actually laughed out loud (not perfunctory LOL)!
This is beyond a “deadbeat guy”, this is a codependent situation where the male was using emotional blackmail to get what he wants. It’s common in abusive relationships but doesn’t always go to that extent. I have been there, it wasn’t to provide financial support but I felt the need to be there for him, help him with his issues. That would be fine except it came to the point where all my decisions only benefit him. I wasn’t getting anything out of it and he wanted me to always be there so I lost touch with my friends/family and all my time and energy was going towards him.
So yes definitely much worse things than living alone! People keep wanting to set me up but I have a history of picking these kinds of men and I’m working through the reasons I do that before I get involved again.
Thanks for sharing your story with us!
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Good going to this blog for printing true stories like this one. Could help another reader.
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37: “Girls, This is why you wait for him to ask you out and you let him pay for the date. First test of manhood is that he is brave enough to do the asking and has enough money to pay. There were reasons that these social mores were in place. And before you go out check him out on your state’s sex offender website and see if there are or have been PPOs or lawsuits. Save yourself the nasty surprises.”
And guys with money – like myself – would never date such a girl. If a girl doesn’t pay her half, then she’s the deadbeat. See, it works both ways. You are responsible for yourself, man or woman.
Obviously this girl was dating a guy who was horrible and should have left long ago, but just like many females I know that date “bad boys,” well, they just “can’t” leave. When you feel and don’t think, you will regret it.
47: “I really don’t understand how this isn’t obvious.”
Trust me, it’s not just you. It is obvious.
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