This guest post from Maria is part of the new “reader stories” feature here at Get Rich Slowly. Some reader stories contain general “how I did X” advice, and others will be examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. This story very much reminds me of the book for unmarried couples I reviewed earlier this week.
This is a story about a relationship between two people and some money.
Part 1
Boy meets girl. Boy moves in with girl. Household expenses are split and all seems well. Years pass. Boy wants to change cities for professional reasons. Girl wants to finish grad school. They make a deal: They’ll move when the degree is finished.
Warning signs: She is paying a greater share as the years go by and her career advances. He doesn’t take any concrete steps toward advancing his own career. He has sold his car ‘to save money’ and relies on her to drop him at the train station for his job. He has no real friends and his ‘project partners’ (in six years, there’s only one finished project) all seem to be women. And then:
Part 2
The degree is finished and true to the deal, she starts organizing a move. She researches new jobs cross-country. She rents a truck, makes hotel reservations, and arranges for a friend to drive the car in caravan with them. Oh, by the way, she’ll pay the friend’s airfare home. She puts down the money on an apartment. She lands a job, but he says he needs some time off work to get things going. They make a new deal: She’ll cover the rent for a while so he can concentrate on jump-starting his career. Years pass. His career hasn’t started. The subject comes up fairly often, but she hates to fight.
Warning signs: By the end of three years, not only is she paying all living expenses, she’s giving him an allowance to cover his “career-building” expenses. He hasn’t held a job since the move. His ‘project partners’ still all seem to be women. He has built no social or professional network and does not participate in her social life. (This didn’t bother her much when she was in grad school, but life is different now.) She doesn’t really want to live alone, and she tells herself he isn’t costing her much more than it would cost to live alone; but their relationship has become that of roommates. And then:
Part 3
She takes up an activity she’s passionate about. He isn’t interested. She meets someone new and tells her roommate she wants to pursue the new relationship. He panics. He asks her to marry him. He argues. He threatens. He marches her into the bank and stands at her back while she takes cash advances on six credit cards, a total of $30,000. He deposits the money in his own account. She tells him that they can’t continue to live together, and she can’t afford to move because she doesn’t have the money for a deposit. He won’t move out. She starts spending most nights and weekends away.
Warning signs: The whole situation.
Part 4
After months of misery, she is able to finally get him out by renting a truck, packing it with almost all their possessions, and driving it to his sister’s home nearby. With the expenses of the move, her own living expenses, and the extortion debt, she is barely making ends meet. She has no savings and no assets. She talks things over with the new partner. They decide bankruptcy may be the best solution. She asks around and gets the name of a firm of attorneys.
Part 5
The attorneys hear the story, go through all the paperwork, and agree that going after the ex in court would be both expensive and unlikely to result in restitution. A bankruptcy petition is prepared and filed, at a cost of a few hundred dollars. She has to appear in court. She feels like an idiot, a failure, a disappointment to herself. The judge hears a brief statement of her reasons for the petition, nods, signs off. That’s all. Ten years later, the bankruptcy is off the credit report. Had she not filed, she would still be making payments on the debt.
Author’s note
This is a true story. I’ve heard similar stories from half a dozen women, and a couple of men, in my city. At least I never married him. At least I didn’t have to smuggle my belongings to my office and store them under my desk until I had all the essentials together, and leave for a new state from the office, like one of my friends did. At least I wasn’t that scared.
In hindsight, perhaps I should have either moved out immediately or had the bank call the police. But I didn’t want to feel responsible if he hurt himself, I surely didn’t want him to hurt anyone else, and his behavior was sufficiently frightening that I believed one of those outcomes was possible. So I bought him off.
What is the moral of this story?
Don’t cover expenses for another able-bodied adult without a contract, and don’t make financial deals that only favor one party.
Reminder: This is a story from one of your fellow readers. Please be nice. After nearly a decade of blogging, I have a thick skin, but it can be scary to put your story out in public for the first time. Remember that this guest author isn’t a professional writer, and is just learning about money like you are.
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This woman was a FOOL. That’s all. She can blame her ex but she did it all to herself with her eye wide open and no gun to her back. Sometimes we don’t like the consequences of the choices we make so we have to vilify others to make ourselves feel better.
As a long time SAHM I have to say that if we were all held to the MORAL of this story were held by all then unemployment would be much worse than it is right now. Not every adult CAN or SHOULD work to support themselves, there just aren’t enough jobs in the universe, and non-working adults add value to the lives of those who do work. As anyone who knows one and counts on them to do the things they can’t do because of their work schedule. But enough of that…some people will never be convinced. There is no such thing as HAVING IT ALL
A marriage license is a contract I guess, but even that doesn’t guarantee anything anymore.
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How is this a cautionary tale? I managed to figure this out when I was a teenager in my first relationship when he couldn’t even afford to buy me a latte at Starbucks. It’s pretty obvious when a person is leeching off your resources, monetary or non-monetary, even when you don’t want to believe it. That’s what having a support system other than a significant other is for – they see things that you are too blind to see. Where were family and friends in all this?
That’s great that you’re a survivor of an abusive relationship but it’s pretty clear you still haven’t learned your lesson from the looks of this blog post. I hope that if you ever have kids, you teach them the value of being self sufficient and not letting the notion of love and romance get in the way. As someone who has dated a deadbeat and got out losing maybe $150 at most, I have no sympathy. This has more to do with your willingness to tolerate these types of men in your life than anything about personal finance.
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Guys, please be nice. This woman is sharing her story to try to help people, not to feel sorry for herself. There’s no need to call her a fool. That doesn’t help anyone.
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Folks, I’m very frustrated by today’s comments. You’re all ascribing your own experiences and values to Maria, which is crazy. We all do stupid things. We all have blind spots. Who am I (or you) to judge Maria for hers? Are you perfect? Do you never make mistakes? If not, then ease up and stop pretending you have some sort of moral high ground here. Just because you wouldn’t make this particular mistake doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of other smart people who would.
I’ve made plenty of stupid mistakes in the past, and I’m sure to make many more in the future. So are you. Instead of judging Maria and condemning her for her hang-ups, offer helpful advice and constructive criticism. (Some of you have done this, for which I’m grateful.)
Remember: Not everyone shares the same experiences, knowledge, and beliefs. We each do the best with what we have. Instead of tearing each other down, let’s help each other improve, yes?
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I sympathize with Maria. We do all look back on situations and realize we’ve made mistakes. I’m glad she took the steps to move on and I hope this post enlightens others to pause and evaluate if they may be on a similar path.
To me, it’s an important reminder to make sure you are comfortable with the financial arrangement in any relationship – Married or otherwise. And, this comfort level has to be periodically reevaluated. If the comfort level cahnges talk it through and consider the options.
Thanks for the post.
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Predators – and that’s what this guy behaved like – don’t come with signs around their neck saying “I will treat you nicely just enough to make you think I’m a good person for you to be with, and the rest of the time, I’ll beat you down to the point where you think no one else will want you.” They start off by imitating “good spouse material.” Think of it as their hunting camouflage.
To those folks who think that women should hold out for the really exceptional men, well take a look around at the pool we’re working with: most men (and women too) start out as fixer uppers. Who among us didn’t “need some work” before we became a great spouse?
There’s an initial investment of trust and time *on both parts* before you have a good relationship, and it’s normal and right to do some of that investing during tough times.
This is a situation where someone took advantage of someone else. I’m appalled at how much victim blaming there is here. It’s all her fault because there were warning signs?! Well, heck, how many of you are married to perfect people who don’t ever give you any “warning signs”?
What – he broke the entertainment budget three months running? Well, heck, don’t readjust the budget – leave, because that’s a warning sign he’ll dump you when you’re old and saggy! And it’ll all be your fault because you didn’t pay attention to the warning signs!
For those folks who think this only happens when people cohabit, I will remind you of the fact that plenty of women have put their men through med school, law school, etc., only to wind up divorced when their doctor or lawyer hubbie decides he wants a newer model.*
That guy who (at 29) looks like he’d be a good husband and provider? Well, somehow women are supposed to know that when he’s 50, he’ll change his mind? Guess what – at 29, HE doesn’t even know if he’ll change his mind in 20 years.
We all have to live with ambiguity, and we have to live with good decisions that turn out badly and bad decisions that turn out badly. It’s called “living.” And if we’re lucky enough, maybe we’ll learn from someone else’s decisions.
Thank goodness, Maria, that you had the good sense to shack up before marrying this guy. Thank goodness you had access to birth control. Thank goodness that you got out. And thank you for sharing your story.
*I’m not saying that there haven’t been women got newer models, but the fact is that it’s more likely to be the other way around.
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I’m obviously out of step with a lot of readers today, because I think Maria’s willingness to share her story is really courageous. Most of us have made huge, humiliating mistakes, and we hide them under a veneer of “Oh, look how responsible, intelligent, and debt-free I am.” But face it, we wouldn’t be reading this blog if we didn’t resonate with the principle of getting out of debt–which means having debt, doesn’t it?
Debt from relationship choices is a particularly painful kind–whether it arises from manipulative partners, folie a deux, or just plain youthful irresponsibility. I have to echo a previous poster who recommended counseling–when I left a disastrous relationship in my late twenties, counseling saved my emotional and financial future. And when, 20 years into a very happy marriage, my partner developed bipolar disorder, with all the crazy spending, the debilitating depressions, and the rest of the symptoms that go with that, counseling (for her and me) saved my life, my finances, and my marriage again! A good counselor can really help you find perspective, balance, and comfort in horrible situations.
Thank you, Maria, for sharing your story.
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mimms (comment #56) said everything that I was thinking. Thank you.
It’s a shame that smugness seems to be such a common trait in the PF world. JD, thanks for being a breath of fresh air in this field.
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Don’t move in with someone until you marry them? Are you crazy? What if she had married him, and then moved in with him, and then found out who he really was? He would be entitled to half of her wealth, and alimony. You don’t really know someone until you’ve lived with them. Better to live together and discover what there is to know, than to legally bind yourself to another based on a leap of faith.
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Yeah, I have to say I don’t understand the level of cruelty and anger that I’m reading about her story, “that happened in the past.”
This was her experience. This is how she dealt with it and moved on. If you want to time travel to judge her action you are being cruel and foolish.
This is an example of a financial situation that people need to be aware of; a romantic financial situation.
Some of you think that marriage prevents this from happening to a person?
You really believe that? Ask some folks who have had a married partner run up credit card debt and hide the bills on them.
Bless and be blessed if you figured it out at 17. Some people are not that lucky until 37. Education in terms of how much you have does not make you savvy about kind hearted backstabbers who will love you, take your money and run. Or worse, stay.
Her story is not an opportunity to blame. It is an opportunity to process these events and learn from them.
Personal finance is personal; there is another person on the other side of the monitor that should be respected.
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I just wanted to chime in and say thank you for sharing your story and your hard-earned/learned path away from abuse and control. Whether it was physical abuse or not, this is a clear pattern of manipulation and control that has affected many women (and men) who are otherwise highly functioning and intelligent people. Long-term emotional investments mixed with unideal time-and-circumstance of meeting/falling into a relationship have created so many similar stories, many with significant financial repercussions.
Your story clearly struck a cord with a few in the comments, so it was worthwhile to share (despite the negative feedback from some of the less informed.) I wish I could email this to some of my girlfriends and help them find clarity too, but it seems to take more than friends’ concern to help wake them up. Kudos for you bravery in finally facing the situation and in being brave enough to share your mistakes and your personal growth in the aftermath.
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This is a very painful story to read. Not that I have gone through it, but that I have heard it so many times. You wish you could go back in time and offer counsel at a time where the situation may have been avoided.
I have no idea how many times I have thought I was helping someone, just like Maria did here with her boyfriend, just to have them take advantage and hurt the one that was there to help in the first place!
Hind sight is always 20/20, and we can all say we would have done things different, but when emotions get involved all rules go out the window. That is the main hurdle with personal finance. Emotions can’t be avoided, only understood.
As a parting thought, I am a Christian and this reminded me of a passage from 2 Thessalonians 3:10 “…If a man will not work, he shall not eat.”
Good words to remember when deciding if what I am doing is actually helping someone, or enabling them.
I hope you will share how things progress from here Maria!
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I think the interesing part lies in the psyche – lack of self-worth here. Debt might be a problem, but it is not THE problem (it is a symptom of a larger problem) this girl is dealing with and until the debt (and its cause) are fully faced, the problems will remain in place and she risks running into this same type of problem again. The girl allows a guy to walk all over her for whatever her needs and reasons are and then when it is all over she declares bankruptcy on $30,000? This shows how one’s self-esteem/version of self-worth encompasses one’s whole being. Had she (albeit an unpleasant task) paid off the loan, etc., that might have rectified her folly with the guy and built some greater sense of self-satisfaction/worth in the end and for future reflection. The filing of bankruptcy just perpetuates the deeper problems.
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Thanks A LOT JD and commenters 56, 57, 60 and some others too. Most of the commenters seem to say that the girl was stupid for having been taken advantage of. Even though my own story is a lot less extreme than Maria’s I identify with her a lot and I can imagine how easy it could be to fall into that trap – hey, I almost did. Sure, other people might have gotten out of the story way before it got that bad, but we are not all that strong.
About the “don’t date deadbeats” argument…. Well, of course it didn’t start out like that !! He was in maybe the best school of the country (I’m not in the US btw), he stood by me during my depression years… and yes, he did ask me out first and wowed me with an amazing (all-expense-paid) first date.
I honestly think he is depressed and I kept waiting for him to snap out of it — and trying to help him too anyway I could. It just took me a long time to realize I couldn’t help him if he didn’t want me to and I had better help myself before it was too late.
To whoever made the comment about my parents letting him move in, well, first in my case I would not say he is an abuser, not at all. Then please DON’T apologize on behalf of my parents. They were great all along and they didn’t do anything wrong at all.
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I have been in this situation except that I DID marry the guy. I got out at just about phase 3 and while he’s never been able to collect on attempted extortion I did other things very wrong in disengaging from the entire relationship. It’s not a gender issue or a men vs. women thing – I’ve seen women do the same thing to men right down to the extortion. Clearly we can’t hear the man’s side of the story in this one, but ultimately it’s about one person taking advantage of another person’s trust and love, not about a man taking advantage of a woman.
I’m actually a little horrified at the way some commenters are using this horrific story for their moral soap boxes. Blaming the victim doesn’t help anyone and encourages criminal behavior, and marriage while serious wouldn’t have prevented this and would have made it worse. Marriage is not the social solution which it’s billed; marriage is a very serious commitment – not the magic way to solve social problems. I’m just profoundly grateful women finally DO have divorce rights, or I could easily be living in a cardboard box right now.
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I also want to say thank you for writing this story. It’s important to remember that abusive relationships are like a self reinforcing cycle: the abuse has the effect of making the abused feel like they deserve it, and that can make ending the relationship difficult, since in the strange world of the relationship the abuser’s behavior “makes sense”. This is especially true in emotionally abusive relationships where if no one is hitting anyone the abused can find themselves wondering if they deserve to complain.
As for marriage, I’ve seen situations like this and it can be terrible to find yourself paying alimony, especially if the other party is able to convince the courts they gave up a career for you. This can happen to either gender.
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Maria, you are super brave to tell this story, and I’m sure many people will identify. Hindsight is 20/20 in relationships, especially. Incidentally, it seems like a lot of the harshest criticisms are coming from women, and that surprises me.
Commenter 19: according to the CDC, the divorce rates between cohabiting and non-cohabiting couples differs by only 6%. The biggest indicator of divorce remains socioeconomic status and the age at which you marry.
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A sad story! Hopefully it will help some readers make wise decisions.
As #5 pointed out… men in all cultures should be lead in relationships.. and if you are in one relationship where the man want to be led.. That is a red flag!
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*Tangent alert and possible trigger*
Kris, I’ve heard it said that the reason people criticize most harshly those who are similar to themselves is to alleviate a sense of fear and powerlessness.
If we (by which I mean the generic “we,” not women specifically) can convince ourselves that the other person “deserved” what they got, or that their problems are the result of “bad decisions” exclusively, it enhances a feeling of control and reduces fear.
“If I do/don’t [insert whatever decision or characteristic], then I can be assured that I will/won’t [experience X].”
The classic example is “If she didn’t [wear those clothes, get drunk, walk alone at that time of night, etc.], she wouldn’t have gotten raped. Therefore, if I don’t [wear those clothes, get drunk, walk alone at that time of night, etc.], I won’t get raped.”
The problem with this line of reasoning is that there are circumstances beyond our control:
- a jet engine can fall out of the sky onto your head and kill you;
- a drunk driver can hit you and make you completely dependent on others for your care;
- a person stronger than you are can decide to rape you;
- and – as in the case of Maria’s story – someone can decide to manipulate your emotions to the point where you think you’re being strong enough to stay when in fact you’re gradually being weakened enough to be taken advantage of.
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So sad that anyone, but especially women, let themselves become doormats and give into co-dependence and scare tactics. Obviously, best not to get there in the first place. But if you start on the path, reach out to support networks ASAP – police, family, friends, a male friend with big muscles.
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Holy wow…there are a lot of crazy comments (again). I haven’t read them all, but I got to the part where J.D. stepped in.
Maria, first, thank you for sharing this story. I don’t think most people have an appreciation for how scary it can be to write this all down and put it in front of 20,000 people.
Secondly, as someone who was in Maria’s situation years ago and watched a former boyfriend self-destruct and try to kill himself, it is super important to not ignore the early warning signs. Fortunately I didn’t lose quite as much money as Maria–I lost only $5000 or so–but it hurt quite a bit back then.
As women, we tend to want to “help” these guys and we often don’t have enough courage or self-confidence to think we can do better. I went through some therapy to help with this and I recommend that path. Maria, thanks again for sharing your story, and I hope the weird comments won’t discourage you from doing so over and over again. There are many women out there who will be helped by hearing this.
-Erica
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Mimms, you hit the nail on the head. Maria is incredibly brave for sharing her story, which is unfortunately not uncommon. It seems like the harshest criticism is of Maria and her choices, rather than her abuser (and this sounds a LOT like emotional abuse). Let’s not all pretend that we would have made all the “right” choices had we been in her situation. We don’t know her situation. It’s impossible to know exactly how you’d react until it happens.
Maria, this is a great post; thank you so much for writing it. Haters to the left!
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While I agree that it is brave to be sharing her story, I don’t see Maria really taking control or learning from it. My advice would be to stop being afraid of doing what is right and trust yourself. Yes, she was emotionally abused, but when she left it was because another man told her to. She declared bankrupcy, despite in the past making enough money to fund the deadbeat, rather than pay debts that she legitimately owed and could have paid back if she worked hard enough. It seems she did this because her new boyfriend told her to. She isn’t taking control now, and if a future boyfriend ends up being another deadbeat, I doubt the outcome will be any different.
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LOL @ Christine #48!
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Thumbs up to the author of #37.
I don’t have a problem with cohabitation, but the advice is great!
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The cross section of feelings about gender roles in these comments is disheartening. Man, woman, green, blue, or purple – the lesson here is to keep your eyes as open as your heart. It’s not about committing to marriage because things like this happen between friends or parent/child as often as they do in romantic relationships. I’m with the writer – get a contract if it’s a purely financial relationship. If it’s a matter of the heart, try your best to remember to respect yourself and your priorities as much as you are respecting and loving the other person.
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Ok I was understanding up until she went to the bank and took out cash advances to the tune of $30K. Um, what?
Can’t comprehend.
The guy clearly was bad news YEARS before that happened. This is sad, but what the heck…
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@JD. comment #57
Yes, if we all had the power to do the things that we already know are rational there would be no theme for this blog, your upcoming book, etc.
We all make mistakes we could have avoided and that are obviously not smart to other people.
Thanks for posting Maria. Like others I think your story will stick in people’s heads and influence them to make better choices.
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@ #50: “And guys with money – like myself – would never date such a girl. If a girl doesn’t pay her half, then she’s the deadbeat. See, it works both ways. You are responsible for yourself, man or woman.”
I have to say that I would be very upset if a man didn’t offer to pay on the first date. I’m more than willing to pay my fair share as the relationship progresses, but I think chivalry and manners show something about the guy.
It actually makes me quite sad to read comments like this. Whatever happened to being a gentleman? I’m certainly a huge fan of paying my own way, but not on the first date!
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I tore my own life apart making poor choices so I know how tempted you are to beat yourself up for making them.DON’T!! I’ve turned my life around despite being a felon and still on parole. With your education and advantages you WILL be able to build a better life. Learn from your mistakes but don’t dwell on them. After all, dwelling on the past just interferes with your present. It takes courage to share your story and I commend you for it. Thank you for sharing.
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Great job writing this story so succintly! The emotional details could fill a novel and yet you have given just enough information to make me say Bravo. Thank you for summing up part of my 20′s just wish I had been given the same bankruptcy advice. Instead, ten years later I am still paying. I should have swallowed my pride, not listened to the scary bankruptcy tales and gotten a fresh start. Just wondering if you are like me, thanking God that I didn’t have any children with the loser.
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totally agree with #59, this is a classic piece of evidence in support of living together before you get married. had they been married, the guy would have all rights to claim spousal support and he would have cost her a bunch in legal fees.
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Ouch. Do I detect abuse? I imagine that’s what the $30k was about…
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I think #56′s comment is the best comment to this post. It’s sensible and fair. Kudos, mimms.
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I’m not actually sure I agree with the moral. In this case it really didn’t work out, but that doesn’t mean that, given different people, it can’t work out. Sometimes one partner is in a situation where he or she needs monetary support (eg between jobs) or where monetary support enables both to do something new/better/different (eg starting a start-up).
I think I would take different morals from this story… like set limits, or don’t cover expenses long distance, or you can dump someone without paying them off, or get outside help when your relationship doesn’t seem right anymore… I dunno. But not, “Don’t cover expenses for an able-bodied partner without a contract.” Not everybody is a user.
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I too love #56′s comments. I had to stop at Part 4 (it was like watching a train wreck!)….I’ve been in a few train wrecks myself and although it was painful for all around me watching and telling me about ‘the warnings signs’ its part of growing up!
Hindsight is everything…money is money…she got out…in the end, she’s a very smart cookie.
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The sad thing is that as a cautionary tale goes, it’s useless. No one’s going to read this, recognize their own situation, and change their behavior because of it.
Sure, everyone will read this and see “girl wants to break up”, “guy asks for $30k”, “girl says ‘OK’” and react with astonishment. And the person who wrote it would have done the same thing if she’d read it the day before it actually happened to her.
It’s a sad story with absolutely no ability to change anything for anyone in a similar situation. Some things we have to learn by experience, and that includes pretty much everything in the field of romance. Logic goes out the window for even the most level-headed of us pretty easily in those situations.
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Thank you for sharing your story. Good for you for leaving a harmful situation, you deserve much better.
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@#86, Tyler:
Wait, you know for a *fact* that this story has “absolutely no ability to change anything for anyone in a similar situation”?
Are you psychic? I might have to hit you up up for the next Powerball lottery numbers.
Seriously, don’t go poo-pooing someone’s story and say it has “absolutely no ability to change anything”. That’s a B.S. Blanket Statement and unless you’re omniscient, you have no way of knowing whether it will or will not change anything. Maybe me reading it now will change one of my future outcomes.
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#37- Five years ago I would have said the same thing. I now have a nephew(31) and a niece(26) living this nightmare. My brother and his wife were terrible examples of a good marriage, and the “kids” are living it out in their own lives. Both supporting dead beats and cannot see it. Drives us all crazy- to the point my mom has given them both “counseling” for presents. Still, unresolved. Until they can see it for themselves…they will not get it. Like Maria- they are both worried that the harm will come to their partner so they stay and pay.
I have no advice. Your story of “getting out” is an important one.
BTW- the young woman who is stated there are no marriageable guys out there after grad school- I guess you don’t know my son and his friends. All of them are waiting until they are established before they date for marriage. None have co-habitated and all are interested in having families….All professional men who choose to work the 100 hours a week unmarried. I suspect there are lots of professional women doing the same thing (as I find my friends with daughters getting their MDs and PhD as well). I figure they will all meet when they are about 35!
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I can only speak for myself, but I’ve always felt that as a woman it’s really important to be self-sufficient. I don’t want to share my money with another adult, or ever be responsible for someone else’s living costs. This is one reason why I live alone and am never having kids. I don’t want to screw someone over or for someone to screw me over.
Why the hell did she give him $30,000? That’s just unbelievable.
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@Money Reasons Says:
“Sad story for both individuals.
I feel sympathy for the male in the story. At one time is sounded like he had ambition, but he let himself become a child in the relationship. ”
Are you crazy this man threatened her and she feared enough for her personal safety that she would rather give him cash than stay and fight for what is rightfully hers. The man sounds dangerous, and yes she made a choice it is one many women face today; walking out they door often means leaving without possessions, money and other assets.
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Cara @ 35: I think that if the roles were reversed, people would be throwing around the words “bitch” and “gold-digger” to describe the deadbeat woman. Whereas here, we even have a few commenters feeling sorry for the asshole!
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Agreed with #76. I can sympathize right up until she robs the bank.
I have been in bad relationships, I have made stupid decisions, I have been in situations I didn’t know how I would get out of — but I have NEVER robbed a bank. She knew very well that she couldn’t pay for what she was taking. She robbed a bank with a credit card to support a man habit, and I wouldn’t have any more or less sympathy for a person who robbed a bank with a gun to support a drug habit. Both situations are the result of emotional needs not being met, bad (and abusive) relationships, and a series of bad decisions. All people (drug addicts, murderers, and bank robbers) deserve compassion, and I hope this woman is getting help, but isn’t this blog, at least in part, about personal responsibility??
“Ten years later, the bankruptcy is off the credit report. Had she not filed, she would still be making payments on the debt.”
This seems pretty flippant for a personal finance blog, and almost like a victory statement. The country is in the financial toilet due to rampant financial mismanagement, and I can tell you that my rates just went up to 25% through no fault of my own.
Compassion, yes, I will give it to her, these were certainly not easy times. I am glad she got out, and I sure as hell hope she learned something – but sympathy for someone who is debt free, starting a new career and romance while the rest of us foot the bill?? Not likely.
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And I thought the life insurance comments were rough. Thank you for the post Maria. It takes courage to lay it all out there for everyone to see.
I learned a long time ago that life isn’t static. Nothing stays the same. You are either getting better or you’re getting worse. MY definition of insanity, at least the one I live by, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. If something isn’t working. Change it! Make a decision, take action and move forward. From my perspective, it looks like that is exactly what you have done. Personally and financially. Keep it up!
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Thanks for sharing Maria, that must have been difficult to reflect back on.
Most of the critical comments seem to come to a place of not understanding what happened at the bank. Could you clear it up at all? What did he threaten?
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For all those wondering why Maria ‘chose’ to give her partner $30 000…
It’s called financial abuse. Abuse is not just physical. I really don’t understand why people here aren’t able to recognize this fact.
Here’s a list of warning signs of financial abuse:
http://www.hlthss.gov.nt.ca/english/services/family_violence/types_of_abuse/financial_abuse.htm
Thanks for sharing your story, Maria.
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I had two overwhelming responses to this story and the comments. And I’m really glad Maria shared it and J.D. posted it.
1. It is super sad, though probably not surprising, to see so many gender attacks (even the ones disguised as gentle quips) in the comments. This is one situation between two people. They happened to be male and female in a romantic relationship. As someone else mentioned above, this kind of emotional and financial relationship disaster happens between parents and children, brothers and sisters, same-sex couples, etc. Anyone who has ever felt beholden/obligated to or responsible for another person is at risk of being taken advantage of in this way. In my opinion this is a story more about fear and guilt, than man and woman.
2. There are always two sides to every story. This is Maria’s story. The “deadbeat, douchebag, predator” and whatever else he was called has his own story. In my experience it takes two people to screw up a relationship and most people don’t enter into one with the intention of being an emotional and financial leech.
This tale reminded me of J.D.’s recent book review on Money Without Matrimony. Timely and important. But I wonder how many of us are emotionally mature enough in our earliest relationships to absorb and practice this wisdom in the throws of first-time romance. Life teaches hard lessons.
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@beforewisdom (#23):
“The divorce rate is over 50%.”
No it’s not. Look it up.
Also, it’s more complicated than that.
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Maria:
Excellent post.
Thank you for sharing your story.
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