This guest post from Maria is part of the new “reader stories” feature here at Get Rich Slowly. Some reader stories contain general “how I did X” advice, and others will be examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. This story very much reminds me of the book for unmarried couples I reviewed earlier this week.
This is a story about a relationship between two people and some money.
Part 1
Boy meets girl. Boy moves in with girl. Household expenses are split and all seems well. Years pass. Boy wants to change cities for professional reasons. Girl wants to finish grad school. They make a deal: They’ll move when the degree is finished.
Warning signs: She is paying a greater share as the years go by and her career advances. He doesn’t take any concrete steps toward advancing his own career. He has sold his car ‘to save money’ and relies on her to drop him at the train station for his job. He has no real friends and his ‘project partners’ (in six years, there’s only one finished project) all seem to be women. And then:
Part 2
The degree is finished and true to the deal, she starts organizing a move. She researches new jobs cross-country. She rents a truck, makes hotel reservations, and arranges for a friend to drive the car in caravan with them. Oh, by the way, she’ll pay the friend’s airfare home. She puts down the money on an apartment. She lands a job, but he says he needs some time off work to get things going. They make a new deal: She’ll cover the rent for a while so he can concentrate on jump-starting his career. Years pass. His career hasn’t started. The subject comes up fairly often, but she hates to fight.
Warning signs: By the end of three years, not only is she paying all living expenses, she’s giving him an allowance to cover his “career-building” expenses. He hasn’t held a job since the move. His ‘project partners’ still all seem to be women. He has built no social or professional network and does not participate in her social life. (This didn’t bother her much when she was in grad school, but life is different now.) She doesn’t really want to live alone, and she tells herself he isn’t costing her much more than it would cost to live alone; but their relationship has become that of roommates. And then:
Part 3
She takes up an activity she’s passionate about. He isn’t interested. She meets someone new and tells her roommate she wants to pursue the new relationship. He panics. He asks her to marry him. He argues. He threatens. He marches her into the bank and stands at her back while she takes cash advances on six credit cards, a total of $30,000. He deposits the money in his own account. She tells him that they can’t continue to live together, and she can’t afford to move because she doesn’t have the money for a deposit. He won’t move out. She starts spending most nights and weekends away.
Warning signs: The whole situation.
Part 4
After months of misery, she is able to finally get him out by renting a truck, packing it with almost all their possessions, and driving it to his sister’s home nearby. With the expenses of the move, her own living expenses, and the extortion debt, she is barely making ends meet. She has no savings and no assets. She talks things over with the new partner. They decide bankruptcy may be the best solution. She asks around and gets the name of a firm of attorneys.
Part 5
The attorneys hear the story, go through all the paperwork, and agree that going after the ex in court would be both expensive and unlikely to result in restitution. A bankruptcy petition is prepared and filed, at a cost of a few hundred dollars. She has to appear in court. She feels like an idiot, a failure, a disappointment to herself. The judge hears a brief statement of her reasons for the petition, nods, signs off. That’s all. Ten years later, the bankruptcy is off the credit report. Had she not filed, she would still be making payments on the debt.
Author’s note
This is a true story. I’ve heard similar stories from half a dozen women, and a couple of men, in my city. At least I never married him. At least I didn’t have to smuggle my belongings to my office and store them under my desk until I had all the essentials together, and leave for a new state from the office, like one of my friends did. At least I wasn’t that scared.
In hindsight, perhaps I should have either moved out immediately or had the bank call the police. But I didn’t want to feel responsible if he hurt himself, I surely didn’t want him to hurt anyone else, and his behavior was sufficiently frightening that I believed one of those outcomes was possible. So I bought him off.
What is the moral of this story?
Don’t cover expenses for another able-bodied adult without a contract, and don’t make financial deals that only favor one party.
Reminder: This is a story from one of your fellow readers. Please be nice. After nearly a decade of blogging, I have a thick skin, but it can be scary to put your story out in public for the first time. Remember that this guest author isn’t a professional writer, and is just learning about money like you are.
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Maria,
My heart goes out to you. I am furious with the commenters who have been so brash– it is humiliating for me to admit my abusive violent first marriage, and only a few people know of it. Abuse messed with my mind, and I made totally irrational choices, because “I loved him.” I get your story, completely.
A book I loved is _Why Does He Act Like That?_. Really helpful; I highly recommend it to all who are abused or want to understand the mental gymnastics involved in these situations.
You are a brave, strong woman. Sorry for the hits you’ve taken.
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I find it fascinating that for so many commenters the problem in this story is the absense of the earlier, more reified set of gender social roles. You all council against co-habitation without marriage, insist a man should pay on dates, etc. All those rules that you love so dear emerged from a system designed to devalue women’s work and women’s worth (net and otherwise). What saved Maria was her status as what used to be called “a liberated woman”, namely, who was capable of supporting herself financially.
As a man, my rule is: let him buy the drinks if he wants to, but always have money to pay your own way if you want. This rule is expandable to all investments and if you love a guy, you will insist and support him to be in the same situation.
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This looks like a really one-sided story. Parts of it don’t add up, ie the $30,000 part. It definitely sounds like he took advantage of her from steps 3-6, but she was the selfish one in steps 1-2 and in a way brought it on herself.
When will people learn that a relationship takes sacrifice on both sides to make it work?
I usually love reading this site, but this story is pointless and petty.
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@#86 Tyler: You have so got this wrong. I found myself reflecting on this and the subtle changes in my SO over the last 2 years- and decided it was time for a chat. True, he’s wonderfully supportive and helps out immensely, but I find myself earning- and working- more than him, and it seems just a bit unfair.
Maria: If you’re still reading the comments- I think you’re very brave. You have invested a lot more than money in this relationship- emotions, hopes & dreams, time, your life- and it is never easy to walk away from that. Reminds me of a post I read long ago on this site, about how emotions affect personal finance. Good luck to you!
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Marriage makes no difference. My best friend’s HUSBAND is basically doing the same thing to her. The real moral of the story is if something doesn’t feel right it’s not. Don’t stay in a situation that you know is wrong, and don’t be afraid to fight. I think so many women stay in bad relationships, have sex with guys they aren’t into, etc simply because they hate confrontation.
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That’s the cost of co-dependency. She should consider herself lucky if she still has her health and a fresh start.
We have to teach our children to protect themselves better- both their hearts and their pocketbooks.
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Maria,
Thank you for sharing such a difficult and personal story. I assume that you’ve shared this chapter in your life because you wish to try and prevent others from falling prey to a similar dysfunctional situation.
I remember sharing a difficult, personal story some years ago, and being chastised by someone in the comments. Those comments stung. It took a long time to realize that the key-lashing I took had nothing to do with me or my story. They were simply the tools an opportunist used to advance her own personal agenda.
I’m sorry that you went through this. I’m so glad that you’re strong enough to reflect on it and share it. I sincerely hope that someone will see themselves, their best friend or their child in this story, and have the opportunity to stop a case of financial abuse before it happens.
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Oh, dear. I got all my debt from a similar situation re a moocher ex, so I can sympathise. Unfortunately while most of the story is understandable, step 3 with agreeing to the cash advance was a completely stupid move. Why do that? Especially *after* you’ve told him you want to pursue the new relationship? I can understand continuing to support someone when you are thinking the relationship might recover, but at that point, the results are all down to her.
I really hope she’s happier now.
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To all of you who are saying that she “let” him do it: this seems like a pretty clear case of abuse to me. Domestic violence doesn’t have to include physical harm, but it can include threats and economic control. It can be just as scary, and just as hard for the victim to leave. This is an excellent post, and I plan on sharing it with my counseling clients. Thank you.
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@Stephanie: “Robbed” is a strong word, and one we all should use more cautiously. There’s a very clear legal and moral difference between someone who takes out a loan they can’t pay and someone who steals an equivalent amount of money–the loan is a contract, drawn between two consenting parties. And the lender understands the risks better than the borrower…heck, they wrote each contract, had her credit report, set her limits, and gave her every bit of rope to hang herself with.
The bank extended a contract to Stephanie saying she could borrow $30,000 or more without collateral, and has nobody but itself to blame when she defaults. There’s a good reason there’re no statutory damages in contract law.
And can we also drop the “well she shouldn’t have been living with him” thing as well? If he had enough power over her to march her to the bank, he could’ve just as easily marched her to the alter…and the ensuing marriage would’ve been even harder and more painful to extricate herself from.
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@JB – in comment #124 Maria agreed that it was bank robbery. If she walked in the door with no intention of paying the money back, it was robbery, same as if I went to a library & took out books with no intention of returning them.
There were 6 different cards, each extending a (assuming for argument) $5K cash availability. The idea being that if she is going for a weekend in Vegas, they hope the debt is with them. She had a history of paying on time – they knew that there was a possibility that she would take a lump sum & run, but I don’t think this falls under predatory lending – this is how credit works, they look at your history & make a judgment. She had the benefit of good credit, and they thought she was a good risk.
I enjoy a nice credit rating, which means that if I have a serious emergency, these companies will make cash available to me. I am grateful that this is available, because I have had such an emergency, and was able to keep a roof over my head and food on the table. It is now years later, and I have just finished paying it off (YAY!). I never ended up on the street, thanks to Citibank. Their interest rates are crap, their customer service is awful, but they helped me survive, and yes, I am grateful. I also paid every penny back.
The crap interest rates (and increasing difficulty in getting credit) are due, in part, to people who take as much cash as they can, and default. Maria did it on purpose. When she walked in the door of the bank, she knew she could not afford the loans. She felt she had no choice, I understand that, but she DID have a choice. This gets into a whole discussion on abusive relationships, which I don’t know belongs on a personal finance blog. The short version of my feelings on the matter is that I would rather sleep in a dumpster than cuddle up to a man that raped me. Maria felt differently. She DECIDED to steal the money to please this man that she believed wielded power over her. His weapon of choice, from what I can tell, was guilt. No drugs, no physical weapons, no basement dungeon. He told her he would be sad if she didn’t, so she did. I find it very hard to empathize with someone making that choice.
So yes, I feel empathy in her plight as a human being, and for not being strong enough to say ‘no.’ I really hope she has improved on this, and that her current relationship is better than her last. I hope she is happy, and I hope the man she left has sought help. On this matter of the $30K, though – she was in control, whether she felt like it or not, and to me, it was a clear case of theft, and not a loan.
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@Stephanie — You’ve got a lot of good points, and I’m certainly not defending that kind of credit abuse (that part of the story seriously makes me sick to my stomach), but I still feel that calling it “robbery” absolves the lenders of too much responsibility. They knew there was $30k of risk when they issued the cards, so they weren’t really the victim in this saga.
Did her boyfriend rob her? Sure. That’s extortion, plain and simple. But I’m not comfortable assigning the same moral value to exercising and defaulting on a contract…that’s just the ugly side of doing business.
Congrats on the good credit score, by the way–I’ve never had any credit (I’m trying to establish some), so I guess I see the lender’s side more than the borrower’s. If Pfizer went bankrupt tomorrow, I wouldn’t consider myself robbed because my stock became worthless…sure, it’d be a shock, but that’s the risk I took and it would be my own fault. To the bank, she was an investment, and investments go bad.
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Wow Maria!
I’m glad you had the courage to start over… Declaring bankrupcy must be really hard…
Fortunately, my mother never had problems with debt. My father did. She almost let him take advantage of her, but the divorce came earlier than that. On the other hand, all the money my mother saved through the last 20y for my college and maybe to help in buying a place for myself had to go to my father, in order for him to leave us alone. Not the best way to spend that amount of money, but a useful one indeed.
So, Maria, know that you are not alone. Many people are in that position…
I admire you not only for the courage you shown in leaving that being, but also in sharing your story with us!
Thank you!
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Every roomate in my early years that I “Lent/Gave” money to still owe me to this day 30 years later. Learned early & even with interest, it would not be $30K at this point.
Every talk show, TV interview, Printed material, this Blog, etc advise against such as it NEVER ends happily. I learned early and have forgiven and moved on.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us to remind all of us just how bad things can get.
Take Care all…
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Anyone can dump anyone for any reason. If a relationship is a ‘bad deal’ for you, get out and find a better deal.
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