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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2010/04/22/can-you-afford-to-go-green/comment-page-2/#comment-466101</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 13:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a better question is, &quot;can we afford NOT to go green?&quot;  So doing things in a green way may take a little or a lot of initial investment.  However can we afford to not reduce our dependency on oil and other fossil fuels.  Can we afford to not reduce our emissions.  

So many things we can do as individuals are fairly easy.  It a more plant based diet.  Go vegetarian one or two days a week.  Or go vegetarian all the time this can really make a huge difference.  Air dry your clothes on a clothes drying rack or a laundry line.  This will save 6-10% of the domestic energy use in the USA.  Not to mention saving you money and your clothes will last longer as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a better question is, &#8220;can we afford NOT to go green?&#8221;  So doing things in a green way may take a little or a lot of initial investment.  However can we afford to not reduce our dependency on oil and other fossil fuels.  Can we afford to not reduce our emissions.  </p>
<p>So many things we can do as individuals are fairly easy.  It a more plant based diet.  Go vegetarian one or two days a week.  Or go vegetarian all the time this can really make a huge difference.  Air dry your clothes on a clothes drying rack or a laundry line.  This will save 6-10% of the domestic energy use in the USA.  Not to mention saving you money and your clothes will last longer as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jiang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 16:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t work if you are going green but nobody else is going green.  Here, you can&#039;t ride your bike to work unless you want to be killed or sweaty and smelly like a pig at your desk.  

If you have ever visited a third-world immigrants here in the States, going green is not a big deal at all.  They eat out much less, conserve water, conserve everything.  So if you want to go green, the only way is to have your brain washed by living in a third-world country and recalibrate your mind about how to live.  Otherwise, it&#039;s like a weight-loss program: you go fasting for a while, then you go back to eat like a pig and the cycle repeats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t work if you are going green but nobody else is going green.  Here, you can&#8217;t ride your bike to work unless you want to be killed or sweaty and smelly like a pig at your desk.  </p>
<p>If you have ever visited a third-world immigrants here in the States, going green is not a big deal at all.  They eat out much less, conserve water, conserve everything.  So if you want to go green, the only way is to have your brain washed by living in a third-world country and recalibrate your mind about how to live.  Otherwise, it&#8217;s like a weight-loss program: you go fasting for a while, then you go back to eat like a pig and the cycle repeats.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Bosari</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2010/04/22/can-you-afford-to-go-green/comment-page-2/#comment-419641</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Bosari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, great post and comments. I have a few thoughts...
- 4 R&#039;s: Refuse, reduce, re-use, recycle - love it! Should always be done and in that order.

- to Crosby: &quot;It’s namby pamby, followed up by the pseudo science of global warming.&quot; Pseudo science? Are you living on another planet?

- Giving up meat is something more of us need to do. Methane produced in raising cattle is 13 times more damaging to the environment than CO2. It&#039;s also responsible for a lot of the cancers in America. Don&#039;t eat red meat more than twice a week and try to eat more fish. Your colon and your planet will thank you.

Going green is more than a movement. It is quickly replacing religion in America. It&#039;s hard to believe in a church that lets priests harm our children. It&#039;s easy to believe in doing something with scientific evidence that supports its &quot;goodness.&quot; Green living is becoming something more of us can believe in. 
 
The synergy of going green and saving money is a sometimes on, sometimes off thing. But in the end, even if you spend a little more to practice green living, you end up with fewer health problems and save money that way. 
 
By the way, there&#039;s another synergy here: mindfulness. When we pay attention to our choices and really think about our actions before we buy, we are doing more for our souls too! It also helps combat greenwashing. You can&#039;t just buy things because of a green label. You have to think about the claims and look them up.
 
Has anyone seen the Good Guide? It&#039;s an iPhone app that lets you look up the &quot;goodness&quot; of a product environmentally and socially. See something touted as &quot;green?&quot; Look it up in the good guide first. If enough people make purchase decisions based on its affect to society and the environment, manufacturers will naturally make more environmentally and socially responsible products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, great post and comments. I have a few thoughts&#8230;<br />
- 4 R&#8217;s: Refuse, reduce, re-use, recycle &#8211; love it! Should always be done and in that order.</p>
<p>- to Crosby: &#8220;It’s namby pamby, followed up by the pseudo science of global warming.&#8221; Pseudo science? Are you living on another planet?</p>
<p>- Giving up meat is something more of us need to do. Methane produced in raising cattle is 13 times more damaging to the environment than CO2. It&#8217;s also responsible for a lot of the cancers in America. Don&#8217;t eat red meat more than twice a week and try to eat more fish. Your colon and your planet will thank you.</p>
<p>Going green is more than a movement. It is quickly replacing religion in America. It&#8217;s hard to believe in a church that lets priests harm our children. It&#8217;s easy to believe in doing something with scientific evidence that supports its &#8220;goodness.&#8221; Green living is becoming something more of us can believe in. </p>
<p>The synergy of going green and saving money is a sometimes on, sometimes off thing. But in the end, even if you spend a little more to practice green living, you end up with fewer health problems and save money that way. </p>
<p>By the way, there&#8217;s another synergy here: mindfulness. When we pay attention to our choices and really think about our actions before we buy, we are doing more for our souls too! It also helps combat greenwashing. You can&#8217;t just buy things because of a green label. You have to think about the claims and look them up.</p>
<p>Has anyone seen the Good Guide? It&#8217;s an iPhone app that lets you look up the &#8220;goodness&#8221; of a product environmentally and socially. See something touted as &#8220;green?&#8221; Look it up in the good guide first. If enough people make purchase decisions based on its affect to society and the environment, manufacturers will naturally make more environmentally and socially responsible products.</p>
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		<title>By: emoore</title>
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		<dc:creator>emoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would having kids be green?  Having more kids is going to use more resources than having less kids.  I am a firm believer that we need to start instituting a population control program soon .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would having kids be green?  Having more kids is going to use more resources than having less kids.  I am a firm believer that we need to start instituting a population control program soon .</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is having kids not green? That sounds horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is having kids not green? That sounds horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2010/04/22/can-you-afford-to-go-green/comment-page-2/#comment-406441</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at green strategies in categories.
1.  the changes that cost me little or nothing in time or money.  Switching to reusable bags at the grocery andother stores is one of these.  It doesn&#039;t really cost me more money as I already had cloth bags around the house and it doesn&#039;t cost me more time.  I just have to change my habits.  No brainer on these things.
2.  Changes that cost money.  Yeah, it costs more to buy free range chickens or no hormone beef but I can balance that extra cost by simply eating less meat.  Sometimes it does cost too much more and I have to balance what I can and can&#039;t afford.
3.  Changes that cost time.  Hanging my clothes on the line, riding my bicycle to work...  Again, I have to balance what time I can afford and if it gives me pleasure otherwise.  Maybe I really enjoy that bike ride.  That&#039;s worht something.  

Nice post.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at green strategies in categories.<br />
1.  the changes that cost me little or nothing in time or money.  Switching to reusable bags at the grocery andother stores is one of these.  It doesn&#8217;t really cost me more money as I already had cloth bags around the house and it doesn&#8217;t cost me more time.  I just have to change my habits.  No brainer on these things.<br />
2.  Changes that cost money.  Yeah, it costs more to buy free range chickens or no hormone beef but I can balance that extra cost by simply eating less meat.  Sometimes it does cost too much more and I have to balance what I can and can&#8217;t afford.<br />
3.  Changes that cost time.  Hanging my clothes on the line, riding my bicycle to work&#8230;  Again, I have to balance what time I can afford and if it gives me pleasure otherwise.  Maybe I really enjoy that bike ride.  That&#8217;s worht something.  </p>
<p>Nice post.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being environmentally friendly is not just a bandwagon you can hop on and spend money. What people don&#039;t realize is that the frugal choice, the practical choice, the choice that avoids waste, is also the green choice. Environmental degradation is the natural outcome of wasteful, extravagant lifestyles. Therefore, if you avoid waste and extravagance, you are &quot;green&quot; whether you like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being environmentally friendly is not just a bandwagon you can hop on and spend money. What people don&#8217;t realize is that the frugal choice, the practical choice, the choice that avoids waste, is also the green choice. Environmental degradation is the natural outcome of wasteful, extravagant lifestyles. Therefore, if you avoid waste and extravagance, you are &#8220;green&#8221; whether you like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: haverwench</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2010/04/22/can-you-afford-to-go-green/comment-page-2/#comment-405611</link>
		<dc:creator>haverwench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a point that has not been discussed enough is that in *most* cases, the green choice is also the frugal choice.  People tend to focus too much on the few counterexamples.  For instance, they think of &quot;green&quot; clothing as pricey organic cotton, bamboo, Tencel, and so on.  But secondhand clothes are even greener, because they use *no* new materials and reduce waste at the same time, and they&#039;re also a lot cheaper than equivalent items purchased new.  Similarly, buying organic produce may cost more, but planting a garden, if you have room, will save you money on food and give you fresh, local, organic produce at the same time.  (Yes, there is a time investment, but it doesn&#039;t have to be a huge one, especially with container gardening.)  Line-drying clothes, biking to work, switching to CFLs, using your local library--all of these are good for the planet *and* your wallet.  (True, as Sierra Black points out, you have to consider the cost in time as well as money, but in many cases the time cost is quite low compared with the financial payoff.)  I&#039;d like to see a greater awareness of &quot;ecofrugality&quot;--the concept of &quot;waste not, want not&quot;--as a single ideal, not two separate and conflicting ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a point that has not been discussed enough is that in *most* cases, the green choice is also the frugal choice.  People tend to focus too much on the few counterexamples.  For instance, they think of &#8220;green&#8221; clothing as pricey organic cotton, bamboo, Tencel, and so on.  But secondhand clothes are even greener, because they use *no* new materials and reduce waste at the same time, and they&#8217;re also a lot cheaper than equivalent items purchased new.  Similarly, buying organic produce may cost more, but planting a garden, if you have room, will save you money on food and give you fresh, local, organic produce at the same time.  (Yes, there is a time investment, but it doesn&#8217;t have to be a huge one, especially with container gardening.)  Line-drying clothes, biking to work, switching to CFLs, using your local library&#8211;all of these are good for the planet *and* your wallet.  (True, as Sierra Black points out, you have to consider the cost in time as well as money, but in many cases the time cost is quite low compared with the financial payoff.)  I&#8217;d like to see a greater awareness of &#8220;ecofrugality&#8221;&#8211;the concept of &#8220;waste not, want not&#8221;&#8211;as a single ideal, not two separate and conflicting ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gavagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Gavagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sierra,

TERRIFIC POST!

My favorite part: &quot;...environmentally damaging products and lifestyle choices are only affordable because we’re not paying the full cost of them. While you enjoy your cheap plastic toys, people in the developing world are paying the price in terms of pollution, exploitative labor, and natural resource consumption.&quot;

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sierra,</p>
<p>TERRIFIC POST!</p>
<p>My favorite part: &#8220;&#8230;environmentally damaging products and lifestyle choices are only affordable because we’re not paying the full cost of them. While you enjoy your cheap plastic toys, people in the developing world are paying the price in terms of pollution, exploitative labor, and natural resource consumption.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: david/yourfinances101</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2010/04/22/can-you-afford-to-go-green/comment-page-2/#comment-405051</link>
		<dc:creator>david/yourfinances101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My resposne would be &quot;How Can You Not?&quot;

Start off with green steps that will SAVE you money, then use this savings to afford the green steps that cost a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My resposne would be &#8220;How Can You Not?&#8221;</p>
<p>Start off with green steps that will SAVE you money, then use this savings to afford the green steps that cost a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 02:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI--The bit about having fewer children was actually a joke.....   :)   I agree that sometimes people sound a bit sanctimonious over their &quot;green&quot; choices, which are usually just what they choose to do anyway green or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI&#8211;The bit about having fewer children was actually a joke&#8230;..   <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    I agree that sometimes people sound a bit sanctimonious over their &#8220;green&#8221; choices, which are usually just what they choose to do anyway green or not.</p>
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		<title>By: huruta</title>
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		<dc:creator>huruta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 02:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, maybe some think this is gross but we don&#039;t flush every time we pee. We drink a lot of coffee in the morning, live in Seattle where water isn&#039;t cheap, and saved $60 on our last water bill by simply only flushing when really necessary. Lots of water saved as well as money. No judging others who flush every time but just a thought to those who are open to the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, maybe some think this is gross but we don&#8217;t flush every time we pee. We drink a lot of coffee in the morning, live in Seattle where water isn&#8217;t cheap, and saved $60 on our last water bill by simply only flushing when really necessary. Lots of water saved as well as money. No judging others who flush every time but just a thought to those who are open to the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: John C. Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C. Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding line drying, you can still do this if you live somewhere without a garden (e.g. a flat). I haven&#039;t used a tumble dryer in years; instead, I have something that looks like this:
http://www.shop-com.co.uk/cc.class/cc?main=p&amp;act=211491882&amp;ccsyn=261

That takes about two loads of washing, and I can fold down some of the segments if I want to dry something like trousers, i.e. have them hanging from the top rail, past where the middle rail would be. When I&#039;m not using it, it just folds up flat, so it&#039;s not in the way. I can&#039;t remember how much mine cost, but it wasn&#039;t much, and I&#039;ve had it for 13 years (surviving 3 moves).

I fold T-shirts in half and hang them over the rails to dry. For work shirts, I put them on hangers and then hook them over my shower rail. That also has the fringe benefit that I don&#039;t have to iron them afterwards. (I don&#039;t even own an iron!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding line drying, you can still do this if you live somewhere without a garden (e.g. a flat). I haven&#8217;t used a tumble dryer in years; instead, I have something that looks like this:<br />
<a href="http://www.shop-com.co.uk/cc.class/cc?main=p&amp;act=211491882&amp;ccsyn=261" rel="nofollow">http://www.shop-com.co.uk/cc.class/cc?main=p&amp;act=211491882&amp;ccsyn=261</a></p>
<p>That takes about two loads of washing, and I can fold down some of the segments if I want to dry something like trousers, i.e. have them hanging from the top rail, past where the middle rail would be. When I&#8217;m not using it, it just folds up flat, so it&#8217;s not in the way. I can&#8217;t remember how much mine cost, but it wasn&#8217;t much, and I&#8217;ve had it for 13 years (surviving 3 moves).</p>
<p>I fold T-shirts in half and hang them over the rails to dry. For work shirts, I put them on hangers and then hook them over my shower rail. That also has the fringe benefit that I don&#8217;t have to iron them afterwards. (I don&#8217;t even own an iron!)</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it does take you round trip an hour to ride your bike to work, why would that be a bad thing? 
You have to exercise anyway, so that saves you an hour in the gym. And money on multiple levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it does take you round trip an hour to ride your bike to work, why would that be a bad thing?<br />
You have to exercise anyway, so that saves you an hour in the gym. And money on multiple levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@49 GolfingGirl

The point is, don&#039;t do the things that are super hard or expensive, and focus on what&#039;s easy to do. 

I used to bike 12 miles each way to/from work on the interstate, but I&#039;m into biking.  I wouldn&#039;t expect others to do it.  But what&#039;s the point of a snarky, bitter post about how it&#039;s too hard to be environmentally friendly?  What was your point?</description>
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<p>The point is, don&#8217;t do the things that are super hard or expensive, and focus on what&#8217;s easy to do. </p>
<p>I used to bike 12 miles each way to/from work on the interstate, but I&#8217;m into biking.  I wouldn&#8217;t expect others to do it.  But what&#8217;s the point of a snarky, bitter post about how it&#8217;s too hard to be environmentally friendly?  What was your point?</p>
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		<title>By: Bella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Sierra! I must admit I found some of the responses absolutley hilarious. Does anyone really decide to have fewer children solely becasue it&#039;s good for the environment? Come on - these are complex decisions based on a miriad of factors, economics, personal preference, and yes, sociatal impact should have some say. But it is true that green living has become so fashionable that people will think up all sorts of reasons to put themselves in the &#039;good&#039; camp. The bottom line is that it&#039;s all about making concious decisions. Mindless, rampant consumerism isn&#039;t good for anyone (expect maybe Sam Walton&#039;s children). But neither is getting on your high horse and pointing out how much better you are than your neighbors because you didn&#039;t have children. I guess if humans became extinct that might be a good thing for &#039;mother earth&#039; - but isn&#039;t the point of keeping the earth green so that it remains habitable for us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Sierra! I must admit I found some of the responses absolutley hilarious. Does anyone really decide to have fewer children solely becasue it&#8217;s good for the environment? Come on &#8211; these are complex decisions based on a miriad of factors, economics, personal preference, and yes, sociatal impact should have some say. But it is true that green living has become so fashionable that people will think up all sorts of reasons to put themselves in the &#8216;good&#8217; camp. The bottom line is that it&#8217;s all about making concious decisions. Mindless, rampant consumerism isn&#8217;t good for anyone (expect maybe Sam Walton&#8217;s children). But neither is getting on your high horse and pointing out how much better you are than your neighbors because you didn&#8217;t have children. I guess if humans became extinct that might be a good thing for &#8216;mother earth&#8217; &#8211; but isn&#8217;t the point of keeping the earth green so that it remains habitable for us?</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read this article and the comments that follow I can&#039;t help but thinking that it must be tiresome to live up to all the rules and expectations of green fundamentalism. I suppose humans have an installed need to believe in something and that must make it worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read this article and the comments that follow I can&#8217;t help but thinking that it must be tiresome to live up to all the rules and expectations of green fundamentalism. I suppose humans have an installed need to believe in something and that must make it worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s how I &quot;go green&quot;:
- I don&#039;t buy or eat processed food.  I also don&#039;t drink soda so no aluminum cans to try to recycle!    
- I don&#039;t eat meat more than a couple times a week.
- I only have 2 kids instead of more.
- I work full time so I don&#039;t have to heat my house, use the bathroom, or turn on the lights during the day.
- I live and work in a small town so I don&#039;t drive much even though I do drive to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s how I &#8220;go green&#8221;:<br />
- I don&#8217;t buy or eat processed food.  I also don&#8217;t drink soda so no aluminum cans to try to recycle!<br />
- I don&#8217;t eat meat more than a couple times a week.<br />
- I only have 2 kids instead of more.<br />
- I work full time so I don&#8217;t have to heat my house, use the bathroom, or turn on the lights during the day.<br />
- I live and work in a small town so I don&#8217;t drive much even though I do drive to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to make a green impact?  Vote!

Public policy changes and laws are the things that will ultimately make a difference.  You flushing the toilet a few less times won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to make a green impact?  Vote!</p>
<p>Public policy changes and laws are the things that will ultimately make a difference.  You flushing the toilet a few less times won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: partgypsy</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2010/04/22/can-you-afford-to-go-green/comment-page-2/#comment-403801</link>
		<dc:creator>partgypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the biggest things that affect one&#039;s &quot;footprint&quot; is transportation (fuel) and heating/cooling costs for house.  We purposely picked a place to live where both my husband and I could bike or walk to work if needed (we don&#039;t do it every day) so we can be a 1 car family and maybe spend $80 a month on gas. Regarding heating/cooling, it is worth it to spend some money on insulation, and have a smaller size home sq foot-wise.  This makes the biggest difference, and why ironically most city dwellers have smaller footprints than suburban dwellers.  But- the way most cities and towns are designed (or NOT designed) the majority of housing is spread out, and there is poor public transportion.  Given the choice of a larger, newer house for less money than a smaller older house close to the center, I can see why not everyone does this.  That&#039;s why we can personally do what we want to improve the situation, but there needs to be better planning to make the most impact (compare European versus American cities).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the biggest things that affect one&#8217;s &#8220;footprint&#8221; is transportation (fuel) and heating/cooling costs for house.  We purposely picked a place to live where both my husband and I could bike or walk to work if needed (we don&#8217;t do it every day) so we can be a 1 car family and maybe spend $80 a month on gas. Regarding heating/cooling, it is worth it to spend some money on insulation, and have a smaller size home sq foot-wise.  This makes the biggest difference, and why ironically most city dwellers have smaller footprints than suburban dwellers.  But- the way most cities and towns are designed (or NOT designed) the majority of housing is spread out, and there is poor public transportion.  Given the choice of a larger, newer house for less money than a smaller older house close to the center, I can see why not everyone does this.  That&#8217;s why we can personally do what we want to improve the situation, but there needs to be better planning to make the most impact (compare European versus American cities).</p>
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		<title>By: Bazood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bazood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just made the second payment on the solar array going up on the roof of our house.  However, it wasn&#039;t so much a &quot;green&quot; decision as an economic one. These solar panels will provide most, if not all, of my power needs for the time that I live in this house. My upfront cost of $20,000 that I pay now will be returned within 5-6 years and after that, I&#039;m paying no power bill. In fact, since I live in sunny AZ, my power comany will be paying ME at the end of the year for what I will put back into the grid. 

Is this good for the environment, too? Oh yeah, I guess it is. But I&#039;m not completely mercenary.  Having grown up in the Washington State public school system I can&#039;t help but have the belief that &quot;my very existence on this planet is utterly destroying it&quot; ingrained in me, so I recycle like mad because of the pangs of guilt I receive when I throw stuff away. I have a garden. I ride my bike when at all possible even though bike lanes here are a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just made the second payment on the solar array going up on the roof of our house.  However, it wasn&#8217;t so much a &#8220;green&#8221; decision as an economic one. These solar panels will provide most, if not all, of my power needs for the time that I live in this house. My upfront cost of $20,000 that I pay now will be returned within 5-6 years and after that, I&#8217;m paying no power bill. In fact, since I live in sunny AZ, my power comany will be paying ME at the end of the year for what I will put back into the grid. </p>
<p>Is this good for the environment, too? Oh yeah, I guess it is. But I&#8217;m not completely mercenary.  Having grown up in the Washington State public school system I can&#8217;t help but have the belief that &#8220;my very existence on this planet is utterly destroying it&#8221; ingrained in me, so I recycle like mad because of the pangs of guilt I receive when I throw stuff away. I have a garden. I ride my bike when at all possible even though bike lanes here are a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Golfing_Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golfing_Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll get right on that biking 12 miles each way down the interstate in my business suit.  Most cities in our country simply don&#039;t encourage mass transit or are too sprawling to make walking and biking an option.  The nearest bus stop to my home is 5 miles away.  I guess if I loved the environment more than anything else, I&#039;d give up my 1900 square foot home and move downtown into a 1200 square foot overpriced condo (and possibly pay more) so I could walk to work.  Just not very practical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll get right on that biking 12 miles each way down the interstate in my business suit.  Most cities in our country simply don&#8217;t encourage mass transit or are too sprawling to make walking and biking an option.  The nearest bus stop to my home is 5 miles away.  I guess if I loved the environment more than anything else, I&#8217;d give up my 1900 square foot home and move downtown into a 1200 square foot overpriced condo (and possibly pay more) so I could walk to work.  Just not very practical.</p>
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		<title>By: hsnmp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsnmp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here what I do to stay green.

Always cook before its get dark outside so I can cook in sunlight so don’t have to turn my kitchen light on.
Never use my dishwasher.
Never use my dryer until its emergency.
My kids cloths are always had washed and hand wash always give long life to cloth then machine wash.
My light bill never more than $60.00 per month because we use high-efficiency light bulbs in every room.
We never use air-condition because we always have open windows and if too hot then we spend lot of time in basement which is always cool.
We do not use paper towels.
We always use plastic grocery bags as garbage bags for kitchens and bathrooms.
We grow lot of organic vegetables in summer and save in freezer which last for many months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here what I do to stay green.</p>
<p>Always cook before its get dark outside so I can cook in sunlight so don’t have to turn my kitchen light on.<br />
Never use my dishwasher.<br />
Never use my dryer until its emergency.<br />
My kids cloths are always had washed and hand wash always give long life to cloth then machine wash.<br />
My light bill never more than $60.00 per month because we use high-efficiency light bulbs in every room.<br />
We never use air-condition because we always have open windows and if too hot then we spend lot of time in basement which is always cool.<br />
We do not use paper towels.<br />
We always use plastic grocery bags as garbage bags for kitchens and bathrooms.<br />
We grow lot of organic vegetables in summer and save in freezer which last for many months.</p>
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		<title>By: Soultravelers3</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2010/04/22/can-you-afford-to-go-green/comment-page-1/#comment-403661</link>
		<dc:creator>Soultravelers3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points!

We have always been frugal, so that has made us green in many ways. We&#039;ve been traveling the world as a family non-stop since 2006 &amp; live large on just 23 dollars a day per person. 

We rarely take a flight yet have been to 4 continents &amp; 32 countries &amp; even though we have used every mode of transportation from cargo ships to camels, mostly we see the world by walking, biking &amp; using mass transit. 

Despite popular belief, travel, especially slow travel, can be extremely green and extremely frugal even in some of the most &quot;expensive&quot; places on the planet. 

Now that I&#039;m used to always hanging my clothes out to dry ( as most do in Europe, even in cold rainy climates) I&#039;m amazed that so few do in California with over 300 days of sun a year. It&#039;s actually quite pleasurable &amp; the clothes smell divine. 

We are thrilled to have less &quot;stuff&quot; &amp; even though we never had that much, now we can live with soooo little &amp; find it so freeing. We can go for months with just a small day pack/ carry on each. The more we get into simplicity &amp; minimalism the more we like it, basing our life on the richness of experience &amp; time instead of things. 

Green, frugal &amp; getting rich slowly can easily be very compatible things!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points!</p>
<p>We have always been frugal, so that has made us green in many ways. We&#8217;ve been traveling the world as a family non-stop since 2006 &amp; live large on just 23 dollars a day per person. </p>
<p>We rarely take a flight yet have been to 4 continents &amp; 32 countries &amp; even though we have used every mode of transportation from cargo ships to camels, mostly we see the world by walking, biking &amp; using mass transit. </p>
<p>Despite popular belief, travel, especially slow travel, can be extremely green and extremely frugal even in some of the most &#8220;expensive&#8221; places on the planet. </p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;m used to always hanging my clothes out to dry ( as most do in Europe, even in cold rainy climates) I&#8217;m amazed that so few do in California with over 300 days of sun a year. It&#8217;s actually quite pleasurable &amp; the clothes smell divine. </p>
<p>We are thrilled to have less &#8220;stuff&#8221; &amp; even though we never had that much, now we can live with soooo little &amp; find it so freeing. We can go for months with just a small day pack/ carry on each. The more we get into simplicity &amp; minimalism the more we like it, basing our life on the richness of experience &amp; time instead of things. </p>
<p>Green, frugal &amp; getting rich slowly can easily be very compatible things!</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Avistew: It&#039;s easy to forget the costs of reusing, though.  Diapers is the perfect example: washing cloth diapers is about as tough on the environment as manufacturing disposables (I think the jury&#039;s still out of which one&#039;s worse).

There many things which are economically cheap, but have a disproportionately high environmental cost: transportation and washing are probably the big two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Avistew: It&#8217;s easy to forget the costs of reusing, though.  Diapers is the perfect example: washing cloth diapers is about as tough on the environment as manufacturing disposables (I think the jury&#8217;s still out of which one&#8217;s worse).</p>
<p>There many things which are economically cheap, but have a disproportionately high environmental cost: transportation and washing are probably the big two.</p>
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		<title>By: Avistew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avistew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;reduce, reuse, recycle&quot; remains a great way to think about it. And it&#039;s in the right order: reducing helps more than reusing, reusing helps more than recycling. It&#039;s better to drink from glasses made of glass and reuse them than to use paper or plastic cups and recycle them.
I&#039;m sure everyone can see that. But what people sometimes can see is the amount of things that can be reused that way. Handkerchiefs or cloth napkins. Glass/metal straws. Cloth diapers or cloth/silicone feminine products.
Reusing is better for the environment, and it&#039;s cheaper as long as it&#039;s things you&#039;ll use enough to cover the initial purchase. But if you won&#039;t use them enough, often you don&#039;t need to get them to begin with.

Also, I have noticed people too often think they have to go the whole way, all or nothing. I use handkerchiefs at home, but when I go out it&#039;s often more practical to use paper tissues, and possibly more hygienic depending on how long I&#039;d end up carrying the handkerchiefs. When I have a big cold or allergies, even at home, I use both because I just need more.
I have cloth bags for shopping and a bottle for drinking water.

Mostly, it&#039;s about making conscious choices and buying less stuff. Then, when you do buy, asking if you can reuse: either buy something you&#039;ll use more, or buy something second-hand... Or both! Straight razors, for instance, are still available and some people really like shaving with them. Some other even use the cut-throat type.
And when you do get rid of things, think about re-using (by selling them or giving them to someone else) or recycling.

The choice you make will depend on your lifestyle. It shouldn&#039;t feel like a huge sacrifice. Actually, it should make you /happier/.

It just takes some thinking. There are many, many things that we use nowadays in a disposable variety without even realising reusable versions still exist and might work better for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;reduce, reuse, recycle&#8221; remains a great way to think about it. And it&#8217;s in the right order: reducing helps more than reusing, reusing helps more than recycling. It&#8217;s better to drink from glasses made of glass and reuse them than to use paper or plastic cups and recycle them.<br />
I&#8217;m sure everyone can see that. But what people sometimes can see is the amount of things that can be reused that way. Handkerchiefs or cloth napkins. Glass/metal straws. Cloth diapers or cloth/silicone feminine products.<br />
Reusing is better for the environment, and it&#8217;s cheaper as long as it&#8217;s things you&#8217;ll use enough to cover the initial purchase. But if you won&#8217;t use them enough, often you don&#8217;t need to get them to begin with.</p>
<p>Also, I have noticed people too often think they have to go the whole way, all or nothing. I use handkerchiefs at home, but when I go out it&#8217;s often more practical to use paper tissues, and possibly more hygienic depending on how long I&#8217;d end up carrying the handkerchiefs. When I have a big cold or allergies, even at home, I use both because I just need more.<br />
I have cloth bags for shopping and a bottle for drinking water.</p>
<p>Mostly, it&#8217;s about making conscious choices and buying less stuff. Then, when you do buy, asking if you can reuse: either buy something you&#8217;ll use more, or buy something second-hand&#8230; Or both! Straight razors, for instance, are still available and some people really like shaving with them. Some other even use the cut-throat type.<br />
And when you do get rid of things, think about re-using (by selling them or giving them to someone else) or recycling.</p>
<p>The choice you make will depend on your lifestyle. It shouldn&#8217;t feel like a huge sacrifice. Actually, it should make you /happier/.</p>
<p>It just takes some thinking. There are many, many things that we use nowadays in a disposable variety without even realising reusable versions still exist and might work better for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thrilled to find out we are going to have a famers market throughout the summer in my area.  Thank you for the other suggestions on how to be green.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thrilled to find out we are going to have a famers market throughout the summer in my area.  Thank you for the other suggestions on how to be green.</p>
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		<title>By: Trini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Julie (#39):  It&#039;s true that animals grown at CAFOs contribute in a bad way to the greenhouse gases.  However, raising animals on pasture helps trap carbon (good for the environment).  See today&#039;s post at http://www.sustainableeats.com/.  So you don&#039;t necessarily have to give up meat - just give up CAFO meat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Julie (#39):  It&#8217;s true that animals grown at CAFOs contribute in a bad way to the greenhouse gases.  However, raising animals on pasture helps trap carbon (good for the environment).  See today&#8217;s post at <a href="http://www.sustainableeats.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sustainableeats.com/</a>.  So you don&#8217;t necessarily have to give up meat &#8211; just give up CAFO meat!</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thread. Like others, I tend to do the lazy or cheap thing because I&#039;m lazy and cheap. Not because I&#039;m green. 


I particularly dislike the organic food movement. Uncertified organic or IPM (integrated pest management) from someone who could be my neighbor over certified organic flown from Peru any day. Esp. when it&#039;s in season!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thread. Like others, I tend to do the lazy or cheap thing because I&#8217;m lazy and cheap. Not because I&#8217;m green. </p>
<p>I particularly dislike the organic food movement. Uncertified organic or IPM (integrated pest management) from someone who could be my neighbor over certified organic flown from Peru any day. Esp. when it&#8217;s in season!</p>
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		<title>By: Thekla Richter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thekla Richter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Sierra! It&#039;s complex to choose when faced with these trade-offs.

Sometimes the time investment to go green or save money is deceptive.  Biking to work is a great example.  It takes longer, yes, but you are accomplishing more than one thing-- not only are you getting to work, but you also are getting exercise.  So that one hour investment is serving double duty to spend time on two things that you might instead have done separately.  With bussing to work, as another example, again your trip takes longer, but you can use the time for something else-- read a fun book or get some writing done, instead of finding additional time for those activities out of your day.  

Because of the possibility of multi-purposing like this, the time cost of doing something more slowly is therefore not always as high as it seems at first glance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Sierra! It&#8217;s complex to choose when faced with these trade-offs.</p>
<p>Sometimes the time investment to go green or save money is deceptive.  Biking to work is a great example.  It takes longer, yes, but you are accomplishing more than one thing&#8211; not only are you getting to work, but you also are getting exercise.  So that one hour investment is serving double duty to spend time on two things that you might instead have done separately.  With bussing to work, as another example, again your trip takes longer, but you can use the time for something else&#8211; read a fun book or get some writing done, instead of finding additional time for those activities out of your day.  </p>
<p>Because of the possibility of multi-purposing like this, the time cost of doing something more slowly is therefore not always as high as it seems at first glance.</p>
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