The Rewards of Frugality and Thrift (or, Why We Scrimp and Save)
Published on - June 29th, 2010 (by J.D. Roth) Over the past couple of weeks, more than a few GRS readers have complained about the site’s tone. These folks are afraid that Get Rich Slowly is turning into a column that’s only about frugality and self-denial, one that is neglecting the “rich” part of the blog’s title. These concerns came to the fore in last week’s article about remembering to appreciate what I already have.
In that discussion, ObjectiveGeek wrote:
I want the best possible life for myself and my family. Maybe that means a dream house, or maybe that means the freedom to travel any and everywhere, but maybe that means both. I’d be proud of my dream home if I had earned the means to own it. I don’t think contentment is much of a virtue — it’s more of a guise for mediocrity.
Alex offered a similar sentiment:
I sometimes cringe when I see these kinds of articles. What is so wrong with wanting 5 bedrooms you may never use? What is sooooo bad about wanting a bigger house? If you have diligently saved, and planned, and you can truly afford those nice-ities in life, why not reach for them? Why not buy them?
Here’s the thing: I agree with both ObjectiveGeek and Alex. If Get Rich Slowly has been frugality-minded lately, that’s simply an accident of scheduling. While I believe that frugality is an important part of personal finance, GRS remains dedicated to the Big Picture, to all aspects of getting rich slowly.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting more, and there’s nothing wrong with reaching for nicer things in life if you’ve diligently planned and saved. I certainly don’t mean to imply that it’s bad to choose to buy things that will make you happier. But it’s important to find the proper balance between what you want and what you can afford.
How I Spent My Money in the Past
It used to be that I bought a lot of little Stuff:
- I spent hundreds of dollars a month on books and magazines.
- I had a lot of recurring expenses, such as my monthly cable bill and magazine subscriptions.
- I bought a lot of limited-use tech gadgets, like voice recorders and expensive digital cameras.
- I bought too many clothes. When Kris and I went through my closet recently, I was saddened to see so many items still with their tags on!
There was plenty more, of course. Basically, I bought what I wanted without thinking. If a friend had a new gazingus pin or thneed, I’d be inclined to buy a new gazingus pin or thneed, too. And when my income went up, my spending always went up. This is how I succumbed to the tyranny of Stuff.
It’s this kind of spending that I encourage you to question. I’m not saying, “Stop! Don’t spend on the things that make you happy.” I’m saying, “Hold on a second. Take some time to think about the money you’re spending — make sure it aligns with your priorities and goals. Don’t just buy a bunch of Stuff.” Buy based on your goals and values, not out of habit.
How I Spend My Money Today
What do I mean by this? Let’s take a look at how I’ve spent my money over the past couple of years. Each of the things I list below were purchased consciously, with money I already had, because I knew they’d make me happy.
Here’s a gallery of my recent major purchases:
My Mini Cooper, which I coveted for years before I was able to save enough to buy it with cash. I bought a five-year-old used car, and have been very happy with it. Meanwhile, I’m slowly saving for an eventual replacement Mini.
My nice furniture, for which Kris and I saved until we could combine a coupon (yes, really) with a colossal sale. We got this stuff at 50% off regular pricing. That has to be the best coupon I’ve ever used.

My comic books. I have a monthly budget for purchasing comic books (and comic strips) in collected editions. Before I dug out of debt, my comic spending was part of the problem; now, it’s part of the solution — it’s part of what makes all these smart choices seem worth it.
My bicycle. It was a tough decision whether I could afford (and justify) $900 on a new bike last summer, but I’m glad I did. I’ve been riding this thing constantly since I returned from Alaska, and it’s helping me drop the weight. Also helping me drop weight is…
My gym. I spend a lot of money to be a part of the local Crossfit gym. But I also derive a lot of value. Since joining in April, I’ve lost fifteen pounds. By the end of the summer, I’ll be fitter (and stronger!) than I’ve been in my adult life. To me, that’s money well spent.
My travel. Most of all, I’ve been spending on travel. Kris and I hope to be able to make one big trip every two years. (Maybe every year, if we’re diligent.) This year is an exception. I used part of my book advance to go to Belize in February, and later in 2010 we’ll travel to France and Italy.
Make no mistake: I live a rich life, for which I am tremendously grateful. But this rich life is largely a result of the choices I’ve made. I worked hard to dig out of debt and get where I am today. I’m fortunate to have found work that I love and am good at, and I’m lucky to be a winner in the “lottery of birth” — and I make sacrifices on the things that don’t matter to me so that I can indulge in the things that do.
I write about thrift and frugality a lot, but it’s only because I recognize their value in helping me obtain my goals.
Conscious Spending
“I should write a post for Get Rich Slowly,” my wife told me the other day. “I could tell your readers all about how you’re not frugal.” She meant that unlike what some of you think, I’m not into self-denial. I do buy nice things for myself.
But here’s the difference between my current spending and my former profligate ways: I can afford everything I’m buying, and when I do buy, it’s a conscious decision. I’m not financing my lifestyle on debt, and I’m not buying things just to “keep up with the Joneses” or out of habit. My spending now reflects my priorities, my goals, my values.
Because I’m spending consciously and living within my means, I’m much happier than I was before. I can’t have everything I want — no $2.3 million home for me, for example — but I can have a few of the things that seem most important.
In a follow-up comment to my post last week, objectiveGeek wrote:
Of course having money for money’s sake is nearly pointless, but having money for what it represents (value, effort, innovation, hard work, success) and for what it provides (freedom, time, safety, opportunity — essentially life!) is the noblest of goals.
I think that’s correct. We’re all striving to get rich — quickly or slowly — because of what we believe money can bring to our lives. I just think it’s important to maintain balance, to remember that money and happiness aren’t always connected, and to acknowledge that the best way to achieve your financial goals is to make active, conscious choices about where and when you spend your money.
Maybe it’s time to officially add a fifteenth tenet to the Get Rich Slowly philosophy. Namely, you can have anything you want, but you can’t have everything you want.
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I don’t see that there is any need for self-denial at all.
All saved money is ultimately spent. Money serves no purpose unless it is spent. So spending is the point. To be anti-spending makes no sense to me. I save because I love spending!
The problem (in my view!) is that we can get caught up in habits of spending ineffectively. What you want to do is to optimize the Fun Units you obtain from each dollar of spending. Sometimes that means spending right away, other times it mean putting it off for a bit.
My view is that discussions of sacrifice just confuse things. I never saved a dollar because I wanted to practice self-denial. I always did it because I wanted to live a richer life and it appeared to me that saving was the way to make it happen.
I like to think of both saving and spending as purely positive events. The negativity that gets pulled in with discussions of sacrifice drags me down. I view all the negativity that unfortunately surrounds discussion of this topic as unnecessary (but at least it’s not as bad as investing!).
Rob
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Get Rich Slowly helped me realize that my spending habits were sub par. I “needed” lots of things and I “needed” them now. When I decided to ride my motorcycle for 6 months from the USA to the southern tip of South America it made it so much easier to save. I saw some light at the end of the tunnel. I passed on an extra beer at the pub because it was worth 3 beers in South America. I passed on new widgets and thingamajigs that would be fun to have but weren’t needed and weren’t going to make me happier on my trip. I started spending money on things that mattered – critical bike prep and delicious latin food. It’s OK to spend money when you’re in control of your money.
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I think people get confused, when you plan and save for a purchase there is a level of self denial.
First you deny yourself the immediate purchase. Someone who saves up to buy a car with cash can’t just run out and buy a new car.
Second, I find that by saving up for a purchase I am much more deliberate in how I spend that money. If I save up for a car and it takes me a year or two years to save that money I find that I take a lot more time researching and planning the purchase and generally get a better deal. I am more careful with the money I saved up over two years that I am with the small amounts that I spend on a day to day basis.
Third, some times when I save up for a purchase I decide that I’d rather keep saving than make the purchase. Recently I was saving my allowance money (money that I’m allocated for day to day spending that I didn’t spend) for art. I had the money saved up but wasn’t feeling like spending $800 on art (even though I had really wanted the art such that I started saving for it). Then the artist advertised a moving sale and although I’m not good at bargaining, was able to purchase the art for $450 shipping included.
It is the same with travel for me, although I create a spending plan for our travel which inclues planning out how much we will spend on a daily basis and accounts for 5 star accomodations and fine dining, I don’t scrimp. But when people hear spending plan for a vacation they think that means denying yourself, no it means planning out our spending such that we don’t come home with any debt or bills or remorse.
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J.D.,
Your comment on buying your furniture at 50% off reminded me that furniture is one item where the savings can be huge if you buy it right. I used to have an investment in a furniture retailer, and I can tell you that it was very easy to get a big discount on a furniture purchase. By waiting for items to go on sale, by looking for coupons (we offered them, too!), and simply by asking for a better price, a customer could save thousands.
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I’m not against the idea that you should spend your money on stuff that is important to you if you have saved and worked hard, but IMO buying a 5 bedroom house even though you may never use all that space is just wasteful. Same with people who buy those huge gas-guzzling SUVs because they think they deserve it. Those things use up resources (water, gas, oil, electricity) that are not infinite. There’s something to be said about thrift and frugality when it leads to a lifestyle that is more sustainable.
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That furniture is *very* nice. I think your Dansette-type record player just became one of my ‘Gazingus Pins’. Where did you find it?
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@Adam (#7)
A friend gave me the record player. It works (even on my brand-new Decemberists records!), but I don’t know how to repair it, and it has the feel of something on its last legs. I have my eyes out for something similar, though I’m in no hurry to buy. I just want to begin getting an idea of how much these cost and where they can be found.
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This is why I keep coming back to this blog. The stories are well-written and thoughtful, and the reader comments are generally good. I share many of the same opinions about conscious spending and frugality. There are definitely things in this life worth spending money on!
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And exactly where does your iPad purchase fit into all this “conscious spending?”
Sorry, J.D., I couldn’t resist.
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@Kevin (#10)
Ha. The iPad fits into the “I still make mistakes” category. I did set aside money for it, and it was a conscious choice, but it wasn’t a good choice. It’s an example of how I still have a lot to learn!
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J.D.,
Very well-written and interesting article. That’s exactly why I have been following for so long, and will continue to be a subscriber. (Oh, I just realized Jason already beat me to this…)
Thanks.
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Whoa! What?!
“having money for what it represents (value, effort, innovation, hard work, success) and for what it provides (freedom, time, safety, opportunity — essentially life!) is the noblest of goals.”
Neither of those reasons for having money is noble. Having money because of what it represents is vanity. Having money because it provides personal opportunity is selfish. Having money because of how you can use it to improve yourself, everyone and everything around you is noble.
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Here here! This article is just one example of why I love reading your blog.
And I think Rob Bennet’s comment was very insightful and worth some thought. We are never saving to actually keep that money – we are merely delaying a purchase in order to choose when we are going to spend that money.
Some of the more frugal-based websites just depress me. It all sounds like a race to get to the bottom…”I get my food with coupons”…”yeah, well I drive all over the city to combine coupons with sales”…”yeah, well I only buy the day old bread and rotton fruit they are about to throw out”…”yeah, well I grow my own food and bake my bread and slaughter my own chickens”…”yeah, well I only eat road kill and I dumpster dive – I haven’t paid for food since 2007!” Yay you.
Money is just a tool. If we don’t use that tool appropriately to enjoy experiences, leisure time with loved ones, or purchases that bring us pleasure, then I don’t see the point.
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Very good, thought provoking post and the kind of thinking I too embrace. Frugal living is all about living within your means and cutting back on things you don’t want or need FOR the things we do truly want. Frugal living has allowed me to live the lifestyle I want and that is the richest gift of all.
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great post. i love the comment about being rich in time. my fiancee and i are currently working like crazy to build up our savings, pay off debt, and pay for a wedding. we also just bought our first house…so that adds to the pressure. all of this work (and time lost) has made me realize the true value of time and money. now when i see a new pair of shoes i want, or think that my clothes aren’t cute enough or in vogue, i think about all the time i spend working…and do i want that time to purchase another shirt, or to pay off loans so that eventually i can buy back my time and life? the latter always wins now.
i think aligning your spending with your priorities is the number one way to ensure that you are working to live the life you really want to live.
in other words…i am frugal and proud!
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Like Meghan (commenter #6), I’m a little turned off by the comment from Alex quoted above, and some similar sentiments expressed by fellow commenters. I appreciate luxuries (physical and intangible) as much as the next girl. However, as Meghan pointed out, the resources of the world are not infinite, and I believe that long term frugality includes trying to use only a reasonable part of those resources, and remembering that we share the world. JD, I understand that you don’t feel comfortable or choose to promote that point of view to your readers (or reiterate it too frequently), but I did feel moved to speak to it. I am frugal because I’m broke, yes, and because I hope to save for better things, but I also do consider it a worthwhile goal to work on thriftiness as a long term lifestyle, and to try to limit the amount that I personally, consume and use. And Alexandra–I’m not sure if your ladder is directly hierarchical, but surely baking bread and raising chickens is more of a luxury than day-old supermarket stuff. At least for the quality of what you’d get.
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“you can have anything you want, but you can’t have everything you want.”
That is a great saying. One I try to convince my husband of all the time. I guess I need to convince myself of it too because sometimes I get into the “all or nothing” thinking where I deprive myself a lot which feels terrible. Thanks for this post. It really brightened my day.
–Just read Alexandra’s post and am laughing! I know exactly what you mean. People do that with “green living” also and it drives me crazy!
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Reminds me of the book “Cheaper by the Dozen,” in which the father of the family is the world’s most strict efficiency expert:
Someone once asked Dad: “But what do you want to save time for? What are you going to do with it?”
“For work, if you love that best,” said Dad. “For education, for beauty, for art, for pleasure.” He looked over the top of his pince-nez. “For mumblety-peg, if that’s where your heart lies.”
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I mostly agree with Rob Bennett’s comment, except for one thing – the point of having money is not necessarily to spend it. The point of having money is having the *ability* to spend it.
Tossing $10,000 in the bank in case unforeseen future events cause you to lose a job, need a major car repair, incur a significant medical bill, etc. is in the “ability to spend” category. You’re not planning on actually spending it, but if you need it, it’s there.
That money may sit there until the day you die, and that doesn’t mean it was wasted – it provided you a safety net (which arguably has value), without consuming the actual money.
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I like your MINI (I have a 2008 R56 MINI Cooper), but really, you need to wash the brake dust off the front wheels before you take a pic!
My MINI is leased, but next year I hope to have enough saved to buy my own new or newish Cooper S with cash as well. The car is an expensive luxury that not everyone agrees with, but I get a lot of enjoyment from driving it.
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Hopefully this means there will be more articles along the lines of Earn More vs. Spend Slow. It tends to be a motivational speaker line of talk, but if I would have focused only on spending, I’d still be making $50k/year and retiring at 65 hoping for social security to still be around.
Focusing on spending less is an easier topic to cover it seems – but if you wouldn’t have pushed yourself to write that book, there would have been no advance to go on the trip with. If you wouldn’t have had the discipline to grow your site, you wouldn’t have got to the mini Coop as quickly.
Most people are still going to the ocean with a teaspoon, not a bucket and asking for much less than we’re potentially worth. That’s the more difficult lesson that many of us need to learn. Not so much how to live within reduced means but to increase those means.
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What about the other side of the “Have Enough” continuum – when you have more than enough? Is there a point where you become so rich that you actually have a responsibility to society and the planet to spend wisely, not just according to your own wants?
If you can easily afford 30 cars (think celebrity status), is it still OK to buy them? That’s quite a cost to the environment in raw materials. What if your dream home is a palatial mansion that costs enough to send 100 kids to college, feed a third world country or support organic agriculture?
It might be interesting to entertain the thought of how much is TOO much and when a person should give up an expense just because it’s not sustainable. Even if that person also gives a lot away (like Bill Gates), is there a responsibility not to spend too much on oneself anyway?
Not that my family has this problem…just wondering what the readers think.
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Great post!
My happiness had not gone down since I decided to get frugal…has it gone up? Maybe,…yes.
My reaction is that Americans tend to overspend. We (some not all) spend money as if we have more than we really do.
And now that I think of it, I shouldn’t consider my new spending habits frugal but realistic. I no longer spend for my ‘future self’ but the one here and now.
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I guess because I have similar views of saving to buy what I want to rather than just not knowing where the money went, I didn’t even notice any sort of ‘trend’ in the posts, nor did I think anything about the post you are mentioning other than yes, I agree. And you can spend way more on bicycles than that! LOL! But that’s the really cool thing about truly deciding what you want to spend money on. Even our kids have fairly expensive bicycles, but we live in Colorado and we bike a lot. However, because we were and continue to be truly frugal in things that don’t matter to us (eating out, clothes, new car purchases, etc.) we can afford to spend CASH on the things that we do care about (private school for our kids, very nice bicycles, etc.). We had a period of a few years where we were very careful in all purchases until we paid off all debt other than our mortgage. Now, we continue to save for retirement (15% plus my husband has a pension plan), save and pay cash for home improvements, etc., but we can also splurge on a $2700 bicycle every once in a while. It’s all about choice and deciding what is important to you. As Dave Ramsey says, ‘Live like no-one else now, so you can live like no-one else later!’.
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The problem is, as you’ve proved, that purchasing a dream home that has five rooms that you’ll never visit defeats the entire point of this and every other financial blog.
It’s wasteful spending and money that can be directed elsewhere.
It’s no different than the popular saying, “a boat owner’s happiest two days are the day he buys his boat and the day he sales his boat”.
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This is probably my favorite article that I’ve read here over the past few years. I think people sometimes substitute the mania of “frugality” in place of the mania of “overspending”. You still don’t have a healthy relationship with money if you go from one extreme to another.
I’ve said many times that my personal debt reduction plan would drive most PF fans crazy. I purposely chose a slower plan that allowed me a certain amount for indulgence spending. I’ve done the full tilt, deny yourself everything plan before, and even fully paid off my debts at one point. The problem I had was that as soon as I tried to re-introduce spending for pleasure in my life, I’d fall right back into my old habits. My current plan forces me to work not only on frugality, but also on responsible spending. We clip coupons, go to the library, and try to find ways to cut the overall household spending. But we also figure out how to prioritize what indulgences are worthwhile and figure out how to afford those indulgences without busting our budget. Not only do the occasional rewards provide us with strong motivation to keep up with the overall budgeting system, but we are developing the discipline that previously was missing in our financial lives. I feel confident that when we are fully debt-free, we will be able to continue using these skills to continue to make progress with our finances!
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This is the same thing as the Dave Ramsey Approach—Get out of debt, be financially wise, save your money and then enjoy the fruits of your labor however you choose. I think the quote is “Live like no one else so you can live like no one else.” It’s all about growing up and making smart financial decisions so you are both well prepared for the future AND can have the time of your life.
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Meghan-
I love my house. If you where to be in the area, and were a friend, I have plenty of room for you to stay. If you were my daughter, you might even move your family in while you and your husband are finding a job. You could have one level, and us the other. My house uses about the same electricity as the one down the street- but is twice as big. When we worked- we drove less than 10 minutes to our jobs or the store (just two stores in our area). Our fields will continue to empty to be a buffer to the nature conservatory at the bottom of our hill. We have a huge barn where furniture is hand made.
If we choose to spend our hard earned money on such things I see it no different than someone else who travels to the rainforest. After living in a rainforest, I know every single human footprint makes an impact.
We each make our own choices. My footprint here seems unnoticeable to the squirrels, turkeys and deer of the area. OK- so the coyotes notice us…
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You don’t get rich by writing checks.
OTOH, over they years in frugality related forums I’ve noticed *some* people who became compulsive about saving money.
Spending large amounts of time and effort to save very little money……time that could have been used to earn much more money or enjoying life.
Being penny wise, but dollar foolish.
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JD, thanks for addressing these concerns. I take back my criticism on the blog as a whole. Frugality has a place and you’ve done a good job of putting it in perspective.
@Trina #23,
I think it’s a valid question, but I don’t agree with the assumptions it is based on. Any attempt to define “enough” or “too much” inevitably leads to individuals sacrificing themselves to other ends. Whether those ends be other individuals (AKA slavery) or the environment it makes little difference. In both cases you turn man into a sacrifice.
It is this view of human existence that I find disturbing. It is only individual life that makes the concept of “value” possible, therefore the idea of submitting individual lives to other ends is profoundly immoral in my view.
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I’ve never understood the love affair some people have with the Mini Cooper!
One of my earliest childhood memories of being in a car was being driven around in my parents’ bright orange {I’m assuming it was second hand!} Mini, and realising that I could see the road going by through the gaps in the poorly maintained floor
Also, does anyone else find that they’re quite hard to get into unless you’re fairly short?
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In response to Meghan, Trina and Katya, I would really suggest that you read “The Millionaire Next Door”, if you haven’t already done so. Outward appearance and conspicuous consumption are characteristics of “high earners”, not those who are “wealthy”. Most people who are truly wealthy are in reality quire frugal and live beneath their means, drive boring cars and live in “regular” neighborhoods. They tend to not waste things.
I agree with Alexandra and Chickybeth that too often the “green” and “frugal” lifestyle people can become just as competitive, arrogant and judgmental. Frugal and green living provides a vast array of tools and viewpoints that can enrich anyone’s life. But at some point, it just becomes another quest to keep up with a crowd, just like those who are buying bigger houses, new TV’s or the other things that annoy the green/frugal crowd.
I like to make use of all the tools available to me to live the richest life possible. I do pull a lot of tools from the frugal toolbox and the green toolbox, to be true, but I do also believe that each person needs to come to the toolboxes available of their own accord. In my experience, the largest motivator is self-interest and/or self-preservation. I’ve found that trying to induce feelings of guilt, nagging or using coercive means of one kind or another to just make everyone mad. This doesn’t just apply to frugality or green living, but also when I’m trying to get my kids to do something like clean up. A positive reward or at least a readily identifiable cause and effect are more powerful motivator than anything else.
Of course, sometimes it takes a personal crisis or other really scary incident to motivate people properly. Recently, $4/gallon gas seemed to be a sufficient motivator to kill off the sales of automobiles that consumed a lot of fuel and actually drive up prices of fuel efficient vehicles. In my town, we switched to having to pay for our trash disposal per bag, and recycling is free. Recycling rates have soared. I can only hope that we soon get curbside recycling, too. Other incentives to install solar power, geothermal and other alternative energy (green) solutions have seen similar success rates.
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If you write about frugality, people complain. If you write about the material benefits of having been frugal, people say you’re out of touch. If you write about your mistakes, people complain… You can’t please all the people all the time, eh? But I think you’re doing a great job pleasing all of the people some of the time, because we’re all at different points in our individual journeys and GRS really does have something for everyone.
Honestly, I’ve totally become hooked on this site and now check it in the morning with my cereal before my favorite web comics and even before cake-wrecks. Keep up the great work!
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I love this post, cause it shows the personal rewards you have saved up for. It’s nice to highlight your success and what savings can do for you when you put the effort in.
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I guess everyone has very different definitions of “Rich”. I feel like the only form of true wealth is being able to do and experience the things you truly care about. Is wealth really about having more things than you need or care about, or is it about being surrounded by and having access to the things you care about most?
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I’m a little confused as to why those two people quoted in the post are even coming to this site. If you are already to the point where you can want and afford a house with 5 extra bedrooms that you will never use in addition to the rooms you actually use, then you are not trying to get rich, you already ARE rich. Do whatever you want with your money.
When you Google search for “Get Rich Slowly,” the site is described as a “Weblog (that) covers frugality, saving and investing, and other aspects of money management.”
Similarly, the Wikipedia article on this site says “Get Rich Slowly is a blog and website covering various aspects of personal finance created and written by J.D. Roth. While the blog has advice on many personal finance topics, one recurring theme is Roth’s own financial history”
The top of this very website cleverly states, “Personal Finance That Makes Cents.”
I don’t understand how one could confuse any part of this site as something that would tell people to dream for excess things you’ll never use, like 5 extra, unnecessary bedrooms.
J.D., you do a great job with this site relaying your personal experiences and helping people with your research and findings. When your personal experiences, research, and findings show you that people should have and want 5 unnecessary rooms in their house, then by all means write about that. Until then, I’ll keep enjoying every article you write about trying to manage my comic-buying habits.
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Luke, the Mini Cooper of today is made by BMW and can be quite accommodating for pretty much anyone. They offer a wide array of customization options, not to mention they have a definite sporting character (they are very popular at autocross events), and in addition, they have very good fuel economy. The base Cooper has a MPG rating of 28 city/37 highway with a manual transmission. Changing to an automatic or the sportier model drops those numbers a bit, but for people who don’t want to have a sporty economy car, the Mini can be a good choice. Mini also offers convertible models, huge sunroofs and a lot of other features that typically don’t exist in the compact class, which was largely relegated to the rear end of an automaker’s lineup. I think Mini proved that there are plenty of people who want a fun-to-drive and good looking compact car.
Note: I don’t drive a Mini Cooper but might consider one of my next vehicle. I like to switch my own gears and would like one of those giant sunroof models. I also like the new Ford Fiesta and the Honda Fit, which also seem to toss in some spice with their frugality.
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I am a concious spender not because I can’t afford the gadgets in life. I am a concious spender because I have goals that are infinitely bigger than any ‘high’ gadgets at the stores can give me.
I never see not buying a cup of starback coffee a sacrifice. I get contentment from reading good books and watching great movies from the library. I get my exercise from walking the dam across from my house. I volunteer my time helping the art teacher at school. I get to be in touch with teenagers when I accompany our middle school choir-and augmenting my income at the same time.
I AM LIVING A RICH LIFE!
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@Jason – I’m talking about the modern models!
I was offered a lift in one a couple of years ago and found it a bit on the snug side (and at 5′ 11″ I’m no giant)…
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DJ,
I enjoyed both posts, as well as a number of your reader’s comments.
It is very easy to fall into an “extreme” category when starting on a new path. I’ve seen it happen in life as well as the frugal blog-world.
I truly believe that the key is moderation in all things. Don’t spend more than you earn, save for emergencies and your future retirement – be a good steward of your resources (money included!).
It dosn’t take very long to realise that the stuff isn’t what makes a life. It’s all about your experiences and the people you share them with.
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I’m 6’2″ and I had found them to be no better or worse than other compacts out there. My daily driver now is a Subaru Impreza WRX. I’ve also found that there are some cars for which I find things tight (Audi A4, BMW 3-series) that other people think are huge, and vice versa.
I think a lot might have to do with what position you find comfortable in the car, specifically the angle of the seatback.
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Janette,
It sounds, from the examples you give, that you ARE using your house, rather than holding empty space for display, which is (I think) what Meghan was speaking against.
I’m not sure where the rainforest comes in, as no one else mentioned traveling there. Presumably, someone who is interested in a minimal footprint would be aware of that in a rainforest as well, though your point about there being places that are more environmentally frugal for humans to live is well taken.
Jason,
Thanks for the recommendation–I’ve definitely seen it recommended before. I think what I was trying to say above was a lot less about fingerwagging for people’s individual purchases/luxuries/enjoyments, and more about what you were saying–an avoidance of waste, and wasteful attitudes. I also agree with you that there’s always a balance, and that shaming is definitely the least effective strategy to get anyone to do anything. Incentives, like the ones you mentioned, do work much better a lot of the time.
I generally hate getting involved in comment-wrangles, especially when I’m probably just repeating common wisdom, so I won’t post again to this thread. I think it’s great to remember though, that the question of how to spend and what to buy doesn’t just rest on what we can afford and what we imagine that we ‘deserve’ (a seriously suspect term), but on what impact we want to have. Others have reiterated this in many ways.
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@Luke: I am 5’11″ and have no issues using the front seats. I have plenty of head and leg room despite the moonroof. I find it more roomy than a number of compact cars mostly because of the large expanses of glass. The deep bucket seats might slow down your in/out movement too. The 2007+ models are slightly larger as well.
Now the rear seats are designed mostly for small-medium sized dogs, kids, etc. which is not a big surprise. I have on occasion driven with four people in my MINI on 2+ hour trips with minimum of complaints. The way I see it, I have the car for my wife, dog and myself – not for carrying passengers a few times a year.
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@walk -
I was in the back, which explains it
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I really like your response – the important thing is value. You get a lot of value out of the things you listed. I agree wholeheartedly. For me, my “thneed” (cool reference, by the way) would be musical gear.
I think maybe ObjectiveGeek and Alex should examine their questions in this regard. How is having 5 bedrooms you never use a “nice-ity”? I would call that wastefulness. It’s fine to have a dream home, but what’s the source of pride there? It’s not like you BUILT the house.
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RE: “What is so wrong with wanting 5 bedrooms you may never use? If you have diligently saved, and planned, and you can truly afford those nice-ities in life, why not reach for them?”–BECAUSE WANTING 5 BEDROOMS YOU MAY NEVER USE ISN’T A NICITY, IT’S AN AQUISITION DISEASE. WANTING THINGS YOU CAN USE IS FINE. WANTING AND ACQUIRING THINGS YOU CAN’T USE IS A SICKNESS.
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I totally agree that saving is great, but you have to live your life. It is all a matter of perspective. Some people may covet my house and thing I am wasteful. I may look at a 5000 square foot house and think it is wasteful and they may think they are frugal.
What matters is that you spend responsibly and have enough to take care of your family.
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Hi JD – I love your little yellow mini. I didn’t realise they were also popular in the US.
I’ve really been enjoying all the frugal posts recently. I used to be really wasteful – most of the time spending money on crap that didn’t matter. Blogs like yours have really helped me change. My life is less stressful because I don’t have to earn more just so I can spend it on rubbish.
Like you, I prefer to spend money on stuff I really want – a good second-hand car and travel.
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J.D., fabulous post. To repair your record player, get in touch with Ken’s Antique Electronics in Eugene: 541-485-8676, kszenith@webtv.com. I’m not affiliated with them, but I live in Eugene and I have a record player!
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