Reader Story: Learning to Spend
Published on - July 11th, 2010 (Modified on - July 12th, 2010) (by J.D. Roth) This guest post from Meg is part of the “reader stories” feature here at Get Rich Slowly. Some stories contain general “how I did X” advice; others are examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. These stories feature folks from all levels of financial maturity and with all sorts of incomes. Meg writes about sane wedding planning and brave married life at A Practical Wedding and Reclaiming Wife.
Compared to most people my age (or say, my husband), I have a slightly bizarre relationship with money. My husband says I’m the only person in our generation who grew up in the Great Depression, and, well, he sort of has a point.
I grew up in a family where we never worried how the bills were going to get paid, or how we were going to eat…but when it came to the rest of it? Things were tight. Clothes, say, or shoes? A big deal. Going to McDonalds for a Happy Meal? A huge deal. And as for credit cards? Well, no. My parents spent much of my childhood trying to pay off the debt they’d had to incur early in their marriage, so I never saw my mom pull out a credit card unless it was an emergency.
Broke but happy
Turns out that growing up like that was good practice for what was to come. I lived in New York City during my twenties, worked in the arts, and was broke. Cry-when-your-jeans-ripped broke. Mice-in-the-sofa broke. Hearing-occasional-gunfire-on-the-way-home-at-night broke. But, somehow, even living in the most expensive city in the country on $18,000 a year, I was pretty happy.
I was working in professional theatre, I had great friends, I somehow always saved up enough to have a Makers Mark and soda (or three) on late nights in Hell’s Kitchen. But what is really remarkable is that I emerged from this period in my life with zero consumer debt (and just a little bit of student loan debt). And, more amazingly, I emerged from it with savings.
Now, we’re not talking life changing savings, but we are talking about several thousand dollars in savings, which is pretty impressive when you’re living on so little that you qualify for various social relief programs.
None of that is to say that I somehow have an amazing and evolved relationship with money. In fact, quite the opposite. It’s to say that when it comes to spending and saving, I’m really good at saving, and I’m terrible at spending. Terrible. And it turns out how you spend is pretty linked to how you deal with money.
I remember once, at about 22, I came home with a CD I’d bought. Now, living on $18,000 a year, this was probably one of two CDs I bought that year. So I bought a CD, and I came home and cried. I didn’t cry because I couldn’t afford the CD or because I’d put it on a credit card; I cried because I knew that somewhere out there (heck, somewhere in my Brooklyn neighborhood) there were families that couldn’t afford to eat, and here I was buying a CD. I felt guilty. And even after saving up for that CD, I didn’t really let myself enjoy it.
In the past three years, I turned 30, moved to San Francisco, started making a lot more than $18,000 a year, helped put my husband through law school, saved a heck of a lot more than a few thousand dollars, started my own business, helped pay for our wedding and our honeymoon, and merged finances. That’s a lot of money lessons in a few short years. So, what did I learn?
Learning to spend
What I learned, really, is that if you want to have a healthy relationship with money, you have to learn how to spend just as much as you have to learn how to save. I learned that part of Getting Rich Slowly is learning how to say the word “rich” out loud, without diving under the bed in shame. I learned that supporting local economies and spending your money on things you believe in makes you feel a lot better about the money you do spend, and a lot better about the money you save. I learned that if you spend wisely, you can often painlessly spend less.
Let’s take our wedding as an example. We had a pretty sane, reasonable wedding given our circumstances (um, I write a blog about sane reasonable weddings, so, you know). But, even given that, throwing a party for 110 people is a big undertaking, and I spent more of my own money on our wedding than I’d ever spent on anything in my life. It was stressful.
I’ve written a lot about what I learned about money planning our wedding, but here’s the gist: spend more on what you care about, and just get rid of the rest.
We care about food. We spent half of our wedding money on local, sustainably-produced food cooked by a local catering company, a small business run by serious foodies. The food at our wedding was great — I mean, people still bring it up with a dreamy look in their eyes a year later — but more to the point, I feel good about that huge chunk of change that I dropped. And feeling good about that let me just slash a bunch of other things and not miss them: no DJ, no bridesmaids dresses, no rental tuxes, no favors, no florist, no traditional wedding dress. Gone.
But we loved our wedding, and people talk about how beautiful and fun it was, not about how we skipped half of the important things.
As we’ve started to set up a married budget (I’m still our sole breadwinner, so things are a little tight), we’ve taken a similar approach. We stopped buying factory-farm meat for example, and are only buying local grass-fed meat (I know, I know, we live in San Francisco and we only eat grass fed meat, feel free to roll your eyes a little). This means we eat a lot less meat then we used to (hello, beans and rice), but I feel a lot better about the meat we do eat. Adjusting the way we spent our money allowed me to feel rich (I was able to support my priorities and ethics, hooray!) without spending a penny more.
Feeling rich
So. I’m still always going to be better at saving than at the spending, I’m sure of it. But I’m slowly learning that part of patting yourself on the back for taking care of your finances is letting yourself feel, well, rich.
It’s skipping all those $2 badly-made tank tops that you’re going to throw out at the end of the summer anyway, and buying one $40 shirt (on sale, natch) that you’ll feel good in for years. It’s re-prioritizing your budget to get rid of the things you don’t actually care about, and making a tiny bit more space for what you do care about. It’s buying yourself fresh flowers now and then because you deserve it. And then, once you’ve put those flowers in a vase, it’s letting yourself be the compulsive hoarder that you are, and checking the balance of your mutual fund.
Because, hey, some things are never going to change.
You can read more from Meg at A Practical Wedding and Reclaiming Wife. Wedding photo by One Love Photo.
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thank you for sharing. i couldnt imagine myself living like that but to emerge from this and still be debtless is quite an achievement in itself
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I loved this story: so well written, compelling, and helpful. Its easy to focus on spinning our wheels trying to earn just a little more money (to support a lifestyle we just can’t afford). Instead, its got to be less painful to learn to enjoy life within your means rather than desperately and hopelessly seeking to expand them. Your post tells a wonderful story of good perspective and priorities!
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Yay Meg! I loved reading A Practical Wedding while planning my own June 2009 wedding and I’m so excited to see your post here. Thanks for sharing your story.
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Great story! Thanks for sharing. I did the same thing for my wedding and still get compliments. Keep saving
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Meg,
Your and I shared a similar approach to weddings. My wife and I have been married just two weeks now, and we built our day around what was important to us: Food, Wine, Friends, Family. No traditional dress, no flowers, no huge reception at some banquet hall, no super-fancy place for the ceremony. We were married at a local park, and had the reception at a local wine & tapas restaurant.
Our wedding cost a third of most of the weddings we went to in the last few years, and we paid for the whole thing in cash (well, credit card for airline miles that I paid off the next day). We cut what we didn’t care much about and focused in on what made us happy and what was special to us (Wine is a central theme in our relationship. We met at a wine tasting party). Our wedding felt extravagant in places (fancy food, fancy wine) but it never broke the bank.
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Having been married just short of four months, A Practical Wedding is the only wedding content I still check on a daily basis. I had noticed with hope recently when JD mentioned dropping Meg a line, so I’m happy to read a guest post from one of my favorite bloggers on a different favorite site.
Thanks!
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As someone who is getting married at the end of September, I read APW for the sanity it brings to wedding planning and the focus on the most important thing about a wedding-the marriage! It’s great to read Meg’s post here and I can appreciate the choice to spend more on things that mean the most to you. Thanks for the great guest post.
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Great story! I wish I could re-do my wedding. It was 19 years ago and we were fresh out of college. We ended up structuring our wedding like everyone else did because we were young and stupid. DJ, ugly bridesmaid dresses, etc. And, we went into debt to pay for it. I now scream from the rooftops about not going into debt for a wedding.
I also have trouble with spending, and have guilt about it. My guilty pleasure is not clothes or shoes, but vacations. I love going on trips while the kids are still home. Sure my husband could probably retire a year earlier if we saved all that money, but ya gotta have balance.
Thanks for sharing.
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When it comes to weddings, I wonder when I hear comments like, “People still talk about….”
I could care less what people have to say. My friend owns his own boat, and since he’s the captain, he can legally marry me. Cost of minister–$0.00.
After a brief ceremony out to sea, come back, fire up the bar-b, toss on a few hot dogs. At our local ninety nine cents store hot dogs are a steal. The buns ain’t bad either. I bet I could pay for all the food and still not spend more than $20.
I’m a bit frugal. Perhaps that’s why I’ve been hitched 7 times.
Cost of 7 weddings, $140–Divorce court, priceless.
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This was a great post!
My first wedding was similar but we were able to have a live band, brides maids, etc..
I’m lucky to have very talented friends and family in the arts. Early on I asked them in lieu of gifts if they could contribute to the wedding, but not in a monetary way. We would pay for materials if they could do the labor. My brother and his girlfriend have a passion for gourmet cooking- so they did the cooking. I had friends that were bakers, musicians, photographers and decorators all come together that day. It was amazing. The marriage only lasted a few years but friends still talk about that day with fondness.
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I loved this post. I’ve learned slowly that being frugal is not trading down, it’s about trading your money for the best you can get with what you have. It’s about having a sense of priority in your life, and that your spending reflects your values. This post really captures that idea.
Also, I had no idea there were so many people doing practical weddings. Kudos to you! If I may brag a bit, we did our wedding for the cost of walking into the courthouse; our rings were handed down through family. It was one of the best days of our lives (and no, a ridiculous DJ or a mediocre steak dinner would not have changed that fact in the least).
To any kids out there considering a larger wedding, my only advice is to do as you want it to be done. You are the one that needs to live with the bill and/or debt, not your guests or pushy family members who want something different. If anyone has an opinion, tell them they are free to pay for the wedding if they want it done their way. Otherwise they can keep it shut and enjoy your courteously including them on your day.
And really, why shouldn’t a frugal person have the same entitlement to “your day” as have all the spendthrift folks?
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Lovely story – well written. I can empathise with a lot of it, growing up similarly but in the UK. Interestingly everyone I know who had a similar upbringing not only has done very well for themselves (strong work ethic and strong ethics in general – appreciative) and isn’t in debt. You have a bright future Meg…
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I followed A Practical Wedding while planning my wedding (almost a year ago). Meg’s blog helped us plan a sane wedding, without feeling guilty when we didn’t have all the “expected” details. We had a classy lunch wedding at a restaurant with fantastic food, and I wouldn’t trade it for anything. We spent on what mattered to us (photography and food), and saved on what didn’t. Ironically, the stuff that we saved on actually ended up looking amazing, and made our wedding different from everyone else’s. For example homegrown herb centrepieces were a cheap alternative to flowers, and cost less than $100. And NOBODY noticed that we spent less than a third of what my friends spent on their wedding… in fact several people still say it was their favourite wedding.
While I wasn’t raised quite as strictly with money as Meg was, I was definitely raised to be frugal. It can be as hard to learn to spend as it is to learn how to save.
Currently I feel rich right now because of air conditioning. I’m 8 1/2 months pregnant, and even though we live in Canada it’s been downright HOT (104-110 F) here the past few weeks. We usually suffer through hot days with fans and open windows, but it’s uncomfortable. This year, we’ve got a brand new energy efficient central air conditioner, and I’ve truly been feeling rich as I sleep in comfort.
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One of the most interesting reader stories yet! Totally different from my NYC twenties but a great read for sure, thanks for sharing!
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Thanks for sharing this excellent post! Wonderful example of defining your life on your terms.
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What a fun story! An enjoyable read for a Sunday morning.
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Great story Meg! Very interesting. =)
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Great post!
My husband and I had a terrific wedding 13 years ago, and chose to forgo what many others felt were necessities.
I wrote a post about it on The Non-Consumer Advocate here:
http://thenonconsumeradvocate.com/2009/03/the-non-consumer-advocate-wedding/
Like Meg, there were no bridesmaid dresses, tuxedos and people still tell us what a great wedding it was.
And unlike a celebrity marriage, we’re still married.
Katy Wolk-Stanley
“Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without”
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Wish I would have heard of the Practical Wedding site sooner. I’m getting married in Vegas in two weeks so the wedding won’t be expensive. Maybe I can pick up some tips for the reception we are having back home.
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I rarely comment, though I’m an avid reader here. I just had to pipe in though and say that this is one of the best reader stories I’ve read yet. I’m nowhere near wedding-planning, but the story really resonated for a number of other reasons. I just bookmarked A Practical Wedding, and will be sure to follow Meg more. What a great addition to GRS!
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This is by far my favorite reader story yet! I had a similar upbringing, and also entered adulthood with a tidy savings and a fear/guilt about spending.
I have to say: It was especially enjoyable to read a story that I can connect with on multiple levels!
Thanks so much for sharing, Meg!
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Really enjoyable story. Obligatory wedding descriptions: first one, 19 years old in the mid-eighties, all the tackiness therein. Second one, drive-thru in Vegas and a beach party a couple weeks later. The decorations were potted plants which I later used in the landscaping in our house. We’ve moved, but I still have the pots. It was great.
What I’m taking with me is spend money on what’s important.
1) This morning I’m lamenting a bit some money we’ve recently spent on some art when I (read: not we) have espoused other priorities. But it’s very important to DH and I love it too. And while last year was the year of getting finances in order, this year is the year of making our house a home.
2) Eat local grass-fed meat and eat it less often. Easier in SF than here, but I’m going to go on a quest. Thanks.
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@Mike Crosby #9
Thanks for the laugh this morning!
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What a great post and thank you, meg, so much for sharing.
the husband and I live in NY and having grown up here, I can’t imagine surviving, much less, saving on $18k/yr! Many kudos to you!
Much like you, the husband and I did our “wedding” very sparingly and just with what was important to us. Went to a chapel in Vegas, had his brother and sister-in-law with us and for the chapel fee and registration fee – badaboom, we were hitched! No fancy dress, nothing. then the four of us had a nice dinner and chilled for a week in Vegas. Granted we stayed in the Wynn and spent some $ there, but that was more important to us then having a traditional wedding.
We had the best time and would not have done it any other way!
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I have to wholeheartedly agree with this post (what I took, anyway) — It’s easier to stop living the *wrong* way if you start living the *right* way at the same time.
Granted, getting out of a bad situation may take most of your resources… but I’ve found life much easier when I start focusing on the right overall behavior than just trying to “avoid the bad” cold turkey and hope it lasts.
The idea of spending your money/time/resources toward what you think is important and not wasting it on things you don’t care about is a great life lesson that affects way more than spending habits.
For me, most bad spending behavior comes from doing things out of line with my actual life goals, then being depressed later about a new expenditure or long-term commitment (and subsequently unmotivated about my real goals).
Great post!
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Now that my eyes have stopped rolling (hey, at least you are aware of your stereotypical San Francisco-ness) I feel ready to comment.
What I like most about this story is that it recognizes the existence of trade-offs. Some of the most financially-strapped people I know (and not just because of low income) are so busy trying to “have it all”. Big TV. Check. 10,000 BTU grill. Check. Luxury car. Check. And so on. They don’t realize that money is a finite resource and just spend on a whim because they see everybody else doing it. What they don’t realize is that the person with the nice car may have bought a slightly smaller house. Or the guy with the new iPhone started bringing his lunch to work.
Meg realized she cared about food more than a DJ, so she gave one up. I may scoff at your spending more on grass-fed beef, but you would do the same when you found out I pay ~$75 a pop for permission to run a race when I could technically run the course another day for free.
At the end of the day it’s not about WHAT we are buying, but HOW we are buying it and whether or not we value the actual item or if we value the response we get from others when they see that we own said item.
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It’s about that balance. If you can still meet your goals in saving, retirement, paying off debt, buying a house, etc then you should be able to enjoy a few expenses too. This is a great story about finding that balance. I’ve been married only three years, but I caution others about to have weddings “don’t lose your marriage to get the wedding of your dreams”. I know a lot of couples who fight during the planning of the wedding and after the wedding with the new debt load.
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Great story–and its true.
If you can’t learn how to spend your money and enjoy it, then all the hard work you put into saving it will be worthless.
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Great post – what a wonderful experience. I wouldn’t know how to live with $18,000/yr in NYC, but you made it. Congrats!
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What a wonderful story about your life so far. You should pat yourself squarely on your back (can you do that?…ask hubby to do it).
Anyway, although you understand all the reasons to be frugal and save for a rainy day it sounds like you are learning to give yourself permission to splurge a little once in awhile.
I think you are on a great track, don’t beat yourself up.
Thanks for sharing your story with us.
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J.D., thanks for a great guest post from Meg! I was an avid follower of Meg and Team Practical while planning our wedding two years ago, and like Rhiannon, I’m thrilled to see one of my favorite relationship/life bloggers on one of my other favorite life/personal finance blogs.
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Awesome post! It’s reassuring to read about someone who has similar problems to me when it comes to spending. I’m not as bad as Meg (actually, over the past year I’ve started to swing too far in the opposite direction!) but I’m still kind of a tightwad and hate giving off any impression that I’m financially comfortable, because of the guilt. Thanks for this post.
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I agree – my favorite reader story yet. Great writing style too.
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I really don’t like most frugal articles because it seems that people are depriving themselves BUT I like Meg’s article because she is not depriving herself.
She’s asking herself what is important to her and where she cares to spend her money. I think that’s great. This article shows you can be money savvy without depriving yourself. I really liked that about Meg’s article, plus she doesn’t seem to be one of those people that judges others for not being as frugal as she is and I love that about her article.
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Uh, Meg, have you considered that your hoarding of money may be a Jewish thing? I’m half-Jewish as well and I totally relate to the whole growing-up-in-the-Great-Depression mentality. My reader story is going up sometime here at GRS, and it’s actually pretty similar to yours- more angsty, though, but that’s how I feel about it.
I’m a few years younger than you, though, so maybe I’ll get there.
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I’m planning on proposing to my GF in a few months and have been agonising about what’s considered ‘traditional’.
For example, I spent a fortnight agonising over whether the beautiful marquise cut violet sapphire ring I was commissioning was *expensive* enough and whether I should be buying a diamond
A ridiculous reaction to billions of dollars worth of diamond advertising, no doubt, but these are the things that we guys worry about!
She put it into context for me with her comment of ‘so, you’re worrying about *which* beautiful, expensive piece of jewellery is the right one?!’
I think that sometimes we worry so much about how we think others might perceive our choices that we forget to think about what’s best for us.
We’re planning to get married on a Greek island, with a simple ceremony, barbeque and gallons of awful Greek wine! Everything will be paid for from savings and guests will be asked to treat the cost of their flights as their present to us. So, we’ll get married with little or no stress and all our guests will get a holiday to boot!
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I understand. Our first year together in a big city, I worked as a high school teacher and brought home maybe $24K after taxes. My partner brought home a little less through his stipend, so on paper we looked RICH! But we’d decided to live on just one salary, so we lived in the ghetto in a notsogreat apartment, bought whatever fruit was the cheapest, had a car that broke down all the time, only vacationed when we could borrow a house for free, and ate a lot of beans and lentils. We ended that year with a new to us car (it ran! it stopped! it ran again!), a new job for me (I could afford to quit teaching because we lived so cheaply), and savings in the bank. Awesome, awesome feeling. No debt, no gifts from our parents, no leaning on anybody but each other. We survived that year, we’ll survive anything.
We got married this year – 4 years later. I’d wanted to elope, and he wanted a wedding. We compromised with a teeny tiny (immediately family only) ceremony with the sheriff presiding at the park next to the courthouse. Only people invited knew we were getting married – everybody else was really surprised when we got back! Everybody wore whatever they had – so no expensive bridesmaid dresses or wedding dresses or tux rentals (actually, we didn’t even have attendants except my niece as a flower girl). It was important to me to get married on the day we’d met, and that was about it. We got great rings for cheap (handmade, wood and titanium, no diamonds), my sister convinced her coworkers to bake our cake, and a friend of ours was the photographer. Total? Under $1000, including our airfare, hotel, and car rental to get us there – all our guests lived nearby.
It was fantastic. What a great day.
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I think its WONDERFUL that you budget to spend more on food costs in order to avoid factory-farmed meat. I think that’s a great example of spending on what matters- good for you!
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Nice story. I was also raised in a similarly stable, but close to poor, family and had to struggle with learning to pry open my wallet when it’s appropriate. Interestingly, I’m from a family of seven and all of us have different spending habits. I think it’s inherent in the spender more than a result of the environment one was raised in.
May I make a comment on the writing style? I enjoyed reading the article, but (and I mean this constructively) your frequent use of parenthetical phrases is a bit distracting. My apologies if I come across as too harsh.
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Anna-
I wasn’t born Jewish, my far more spendthrift husband was. So, no, it’s a WASP work-ethic thing
Steve S-
It’s not that eye roll worthy. I’m not very hippy dippy at all, and far more Brooklyn than I am San Francisco. That said, I care more than a little about ethical consumption. In this specific sense, factory farming is not something I want to vote for with my dollars. I think we have the most (literal) power in the way we choose to spend or not spend our money. That’s just no-nonsense common sense. And if ethical consumption means we have to do more with less, then so be it.
And All-
It’s easier than you’d think to emerge debtless from having a $18K salary. My logic was always, “Well, if I don’t have $100 now (and I sure as h*ll don’t), there is no WAY that I’m going to have $100 plus interest next month.” In a way it’s easier to overspend when you make a decent living. Because now I *do* have $100, even if that money is supposed to be going into savings.
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Great post, Meg. Though as an avid APW reader, I expected nothing less. : )
I just want to say, in case it helps anyone reading this: I’ve lived in NYC for 5 years on way less than $18k/year, and been thrilled with my life the whole time. It is possible to find a super-cheap apartment and flexible jobs that allow you to do cheap stuff and pursue dreams. (It’s also extremely easy to spend $100k/year if you have it, and my fiance does, so I don’t judge.) Eventually, you need a raise, but if you’ve got determination and a sunny outlook, you don’t have to make much to be happy here.
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Learning how to spend wasn’t a problem for me, but it did require a few deep breaths. I found that I don’t mind spending on the fun stuff at all AS LONG AS we meet all our savings goals first. I need that security apparently.
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Yeah, when I married budgeting was a nightmare but I learned the hard way and got into a lot of debt. There was this company that helped me out a lot called ALM and it really made me feel secure after crawling out of a financial hole.
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Great Post Meg! I’ve been reading your blog for about a month and a half now and I absolutely love it! You have so much wisdom and your writing style is so conversational! I’m having a great time learning from you and the Women that post on your site. Thanks for sharing!
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I read Meg’s blog throughout my wedding planning process (married June ’09). She helped me to focus on the real prize–the commitment I was making to the love of my life and the importance of the community of friends and family surrounding us. Nothing else mattered as much. Those lessons have carried us through our first year of marriage which included 1 layoff, 2 decisions to return to school for PhDs, a move across the country, and a $100,000 drop in income. Despite the drastic changes–our marriage is thriving and we remain committed to a debt free lifestyle.
Meg, you inspire me to continue to be a brave woman and wife! Thanks for your post here on GRS!!!
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I come from a long line of scrimpers, and married a splurger. Needless to say, spending has been an issue for us. I point to all the money wasted on junk we never use. He points to the priceless memories of his now deceased brother from their family trips to Europe. We’ve been slowly working toward a balanced view, but you’ve illustrated it so beautifully, I’m making it my new motto: “spend extra on the things that will bring you joy for years to come, and skip the rest.” Perfect!
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