Saturday, I posted what I thought was an amusing anecdote. I told how I’d bought some treats from a young girl’s bake sale, but she’d been woefully unprepared to take my money and give me change. I meant the story to be comic relief, but quite a few GRS readers found it unamusing — and, in fact, thought I came off as something of a jerk. Oops.
In retrospect, many people raised valid concerns (though some folks were making mountains out of molehills). I was something of a jerk. To make amends, today I want to provide a frame of reference so you can see where I’m coming from (not that this excuses my behavior), and I want to provide some tips for parents with entrepreneurial kids.
I was a grade-school entrepreneur
As I’ve mentioned many times, I always do what I can to support young entrepreneurs — that’s why I bought the goodies from the girls last week in the first place. I believe strongly that kids should be encouraged to make and sell things, and even start their own kid-sized businesses. I probably feel this way because I was a grade-school entrepreneur.
To start at the beginning, my father was a serial entrepreneur; he was always starting businesses. Most failed. Some succeeded in a wild fashion. (The inheritance he left the family was in the form of his most successful business, the custom box company that for 15 years now has supported his wife, three sons, and a nephew.)
No surprise then that as a child, I wanted to make money too.
I made my first business venture when I was in the second grade. I sold lemonade by the side of the road. It was miserable failure. I was trying to sell lemonade in March, on an infrequently-traveled stretch of country road, in rural Oregon. I didn’t sell any lemonade.
But in fourth grade, I started a little business that actually made money. Star Wars was huge in 1978, and like all the other boys, I collected Star Wars cards. Whatever change I could scrounge went to these cards. (We used to walk the sides of the roads collecting pop bottles. We’d cash in the deposits and immediately buy more Star Wars cards.) Collecting was frustrating. Sometimes I would have six of one card, and none of another. This bugged me until I realized that I could turn the surplus to my advantage.

I took all of my doubles (and triples and quadruples, etc.) and sorted them into random piles of about twenty cards each. I wrapped each stack in a piece of typing paper and wrote 10¢ on the package in black felt pen. I made as many packages as I could, took them to school, and sold them to the other boys. I took that money to the local variety store and converted it into new cards. It was brilliant!
I did the same thing with Hardy Boys books. I loved the Hardy Boys — my aunts and uncles knew this, so I often got books as gifts. After I finished them, I’d take them to school and sell them for fifty cents. (They cost two dollars new.)
I was learning practical business lessons, and I was only ten years old.
Throughout my childhood, my father encouraged my entrepreneurial and sales activities. He urged me to go from door to door selling greeting cards and seeds, for example. (These ventures failed for the same reason the lemonade stand failed — not a big enough customer base.) When I was a bit older, a friend and I drew and photocopied our own comic books through the junior-high store. We didn’t sell many of these, but we had fun trying.
In high school, I was active in our Future Business Leaders of America chapter. I learned about economics, accounting, and business math. But I also sold a lot of candy for fund-raisers. (We were always having to raise money for conventions, and so on.)
Kid-sized entrepreneurship and salesmanship were a big part of my childhood. I didn’t like it much at the time, but looking back I can see that it played a crucial role in making me the man I am today. Because of this, I do what I can to support kids who sell stuff.
- When I see a lemonade stand, I stop to buy lemonade.
- When I see a girl scout, I buy girl scout cookies.
- When my young friends sell magazines and books to raise money for school, I buy magazines and books.
- Every year, Kris and I look forward to visiting the girls at the Eastmoreland Garage Sale, who have sold newsletters, “stock tips”, jokes, and more.
And, of course, last weekend I bought some treats from two girls with a bake sale. When I did this, I had only warm, positive feelings for these kids, even during their confusion regarding the change. I shared their story at GRS not to be malicious, but because I thought the situation was funny, and because I could identify with the girls.

What color is your piggy bank?
Kris and I don’t have kids, but if we did, you can bet I’d encourage their entrepreneurial ventures, just as my father encouraged mine. But there’s more to helping your kid explore the world of business than just letting her loose with cookies and lemonade. Here are some ideas for helping your youngster make her first foray into the world of business.
- Encourage your kid to pursue their passions. Sure, your daughter could sell magazines door to door. But what if she’s interested in something else? Like horses or soccer? Help your kids find a way to make money through their hobbies. Urge them to be creative. How can a 12-year-old girl make money through her interest in horses? I don’t know — but I’ll bet she can come up with a couple of ideas.
- Supervise the set-up. Though you’ll ultimately allow your child to run the business on his own, it’s a good idea to make sure he sets smart parameters. Be certain that his choices are safe and legal, and double-check that he has everything he needs. If needed, spot your kid some start-up capital, but make it very clear that this is a loan, and that you’ll need this money back when the business venture is over.
- Answer questions. Again, let your child operate independently. But when she has questions, be there to help her. If you don’t know the answers, help her do the appropriate research. Who knows? You might learn something along the way.
- Let your child sink or swim on his own. I know some parents are afraid to let their kids fail. That’s sweet, but learning to deal with failure is an important part of learning to deal with life. It’s also a vital business skill. Most successful businessmen and women have been unsuccessful in the past — often for long stretches at a time. It can be tough to watch your kids sweat as he tries to sell candy door-to-door, but it’ll be better for him in the long run if you simply watch from the sidelines.
- Let your child make his own decisions about what to do with her income. If you already have a system for dividing your child’s allowance, absolutely suggest that she use that system for her business income. But don’t insist. Let her make her own decisions — and then follow up later to gently point out the consequences, for good or ill. (Note: I admit this tip is purely hypothetical; if you think I’m wrong, say so.)
- If possible, introduce your child to somebody doing the same thing in real life. When I was a young comic-book artist, I would have loved nothing more than to meet an actual comics professional. Sometimes the grown-up version of a job is less glamorous than what your kid imagines, but that’s okay. It’s good to learn what people do all day.
And, of course, make sure your child knows how to give proper change.
If you have a kid who shows an entrepreneurial bent, track down a copy of What Color is Your Piggy Bank? by Adelia Cellini Linecker. This slim volume is a great choice for kids from 10-14 who are beginning to show an interest in entrepreneurship. Linecker explores the types of jobs a kid can do gives advice for setting up shop, and explains how to manage money. It’s a fun and informative little book. (I hear that The Totally Awesome Business Book for Kids is good, too — and it was written by a 13-year-old!)
I spent yesterday afternoon chatting with my lawyer. Before I parted ways, I asked him if he had any advice for grade-school entrepreneurs. “Yeah,” he said. “Make sure your parents don’t take all of your money.” Ha!
Mea culpa
I apologize if my post on Saturday seemed rude or insensitive. That wasn’t my intention. Yes, I was laughing at the girl who couldn’t make change for me, but I didn’t intend to be mean-spirited. I love that she was out there selling donuts and cookies and lemonade, even if her small business was doomed to lose money. But I couldn’t help but be amused by her timidity. Why? Because I’ve been there many times before.
You know what? I hope that twenty years from now, unbeknownst to anyone, I’ll buy a new sofa or television or automobile in a store owned by this girl. I really do.
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JD, I don’t think you have a mean-spirited bone in your body!
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How would you profit from all those cats you own? My cat is only good at catching those pesky flies!
Keep writing about stuff you “don’t have experience with” (though that interaction on Saturday, as short and brief as it was, DOES count as experience). I am tired of parents knocking around childless couples as if their taxes (which they voted for) don’t help pay for the same education, parks, and community services their kids receive. It was your duty as a member of the community to ensure she gave you correct change. Controversy and self-determination is what makes America great!
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I don’t think you were a jerk, though you were probably way more firm than I would have thought to be (I think I’ll be more aware of this in the future, it doesn’t help the kid learn if you just let them keep the $5).
I am very concerned about the comments saying “lay off them, kids learn at their own pace” or that the girls may have been special needs. Both are quite true, but both are terrible excuses for a 9-10 year old to not understand 5-1=4. If the girls had a learning disability, then their parents should have given them the tools they would need to succeed at the task (calculators, practice lessons, whatever). If they’re neurotypical, then saying they’re just “learning at their own pace” is a total cop-out and a real disservice to our youth.
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Actually I wish that my parents were more entrepreneurial and that I had learned and practised my skills as a kid. My parents did many wonderful things for us financially, but they were very, very risk adverse. This meant I have only recently started investing in stocks and my whole famiy are “employees”. Nobody has started their own business.
I am secretly envious of those people who have the drive and gumption to just give their own business a go. I think I am too afraid of failure!
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I don’t think you sounded like a jerk at all in that post. It was a funny story, and you told it well. I still think she was trying to play you though, so she could keep more money for herself. Again, kids aren’t (usually) stupid.
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I still remember when I was back in middle school. I didn’t want to depend on my mom’s allowance for my money, so I ended up making paper cranes and dog “packets” (envelopes filled with dog pictures, stickers and glitter). I also tried selling my own sketches (I was pretty good in art back then).
My biggest money maker back then was my sketches though. Many of my classmates (and even kids in younger grades) wanted to buy them. I believe I was selling them for a dollar a picture. Something of that nature. I even printed out little sheets of paper I passed around to everyone stating my prices.
I just needed to make sure teachers didn’t see me selling these things, as selling anything isn’t allowed in the private school I went to. But this article brings back good memories.
Christina
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Great article for parents who want to encourage their kids…I didn’t think last weeks post was mean spirited either.
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Nice follow up post JD. I didn’t take the original post as being mean spirited at all. I think that you are making us all have a teachable moment. The nice thing about life, is that we get to become better at skills if we so choose.
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As a kid who was terrible at math, I don’t think you were a jerk at all.
I was not an entrepreneur by any stretch of the imagination. I did do a lot of fund-raising as a kid.
The lesson you taught those girls is the same lesson I was taught when I was working a concession booth at our softball park. I don’t know how many times my mom tried to explain counting change to me, but it never clicked until I handed a 60-year-old man the wrong amount. He said, “Oh, darlin’ this isn’t right…”
He explained how to count change. He started with, “My food and drink costs $5.75 let’s try to get to an even dollar amount.” Then he stood back and let me work it out, encouraging me as I went.
Embarrassing? A little. A strong learning/teaching moment? You know it!
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I think my favorite memory of childhood entrepreneurship was when I was 7 or 8. I tried to sell zip-lock bags full of dirt and styrofoam peanuts as homemade potting soil.
I can not remember if I sold any, and I don’t know if it is safe in any way to plant something in styrofoam laced dirt, but at least I had an interest in business from an early age!
Dan Hill
http://atomicblowfish.com
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I’m glad you wrote this post, because I also thought you were too hard on the girls. You seem like such a nice guy and it seemed very out of character! Thanks for a great blog.
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This was a great post. It is both sad and great that it largely stemmed from the misunderstood post on Saturday. Sad that readers didn’t understand the innocence of the situation, but great because it inspired a great follow-on post like this one.
And finally, I appreciate the way you handle these sticky situations.
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Making money off a pet horse (or cats, or what have you) is easy for a kid! Do 4-H and go to your local state fair. I turned a pet goat into a thriving goat business as a child. Fairs pay participants for placing in various contests, and by competing in every single contest available with my goats, I would regularly take home $1,200/year from the 4-H shows. Yes, it meant that I had to do the embarrassing ones like costume contests with the goat; but each contest helped me earn the money that paid for my pets’ upkeep. Beyond that, animal husbandry and taking care to register my animals as purebreds allowed me to sell the offspring for up to $350/animal and support the ones I kept.
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Great post! And great responses from both sides. I love how you mention that failure is fine. My biggest challenge as a parent is letting my children know that it’s OK to fail! It’s the best way to learn.
In turning that to the bake sale and the comments that came from it, I think the kids doing it on their own is the perfect example of your wisdom here. If the parent had been involved in the bake sale, the parent would have stepped in immediately once the issue about change was discovered, solved the issue for the children, and it likely would have slipped quickly from the child’s mind. I bet your kind questions to the girls stayed with them much longer for the very fact that the parent was not involved.
As a parent, it is really hard NOT to get involved, esp when you see your child making mistakes. In the bake sale, while the items were priced correctly, that again is another lesson for the girls. Pricing is one of the most difficult market decisions of all–it really depends on demand/taste of the consumer. Letting a child set the prices and seeing which sells and doesn’t sell teaches a lesson in and of itself–again, much more so if the child is not told how to price but sees it in action herself.
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As someone with kids about that age, I thought you were fine with the kids at the bake sale. Sometimes having a random adult work them through a real-life problem sinks in better than having a parent explain things!
As for entrepreneurship, we’re getting there. For now, we offer our kids opportunities to do work in our entrepreneurial efforts for pay. They really haven’t seemed interested in selling anything, perhaps because DH and I hate selling things.
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A word about Girl Scout cookies: the troop only gets $.60 out of each box, and the prices are now absurd. Instead of buying any cookies, I give the troop $1, which puts them ahead by $.40.
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My dad was also an Entrepreneur, and he always tried to encourage me. “Why don’t you sell this, how about do that?”
However, I never listened. In fact, until recently, I never showed the slightest bit of entrepreneurial spirit. I’m not sure what else my Dad could’ve done – I just wasn’t interested… probably because it was always presented as a way to make money, and I’ve never been motivated by money.
With my (future hypothetical) kids, I plan to encourage their entreprenurial spirit by not giving them an allowance – only allowing them to work for money, and teaching them about how it can be about more than just the money.
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JD loved the story about the kids. Hate the fact that adults are so PC and get a bee in their bonnet over something that is meant to be a little lighthearted.
Here’s a tip for getting rich slowly. Start with $200 and build it at 3% a day. By the end of the year you will have compounded it to $9.1m. How you build on that $200 @ 3% is the hard part but not that hard if you put your mind to it. Stock, shares, cash deposit, betting exchange etc
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JD highlighted good points. I do not understand why some commentators took offense at his earlier post. What is wrong in holding children to a high standard for example in the earlier blog about basic math skills. If you have heard or know about the ‘Self fulfilling prophecy’ you know that children or adults have the potential to reach for a higher achievement if the bar is set higher.
America is entrepreneurial because children start early here and are given the encouragement to be responsible and make their own money. This is far different from many Asian upbringing.
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I remember the summer lemonade stands that I had as a child. Even then, networking played a huge part in the in the whole operation. I rarely ran the stand by myself, so I often had my friends help me out. In addition to my own customer base, I found out that my friends were also bringing in a customer base that helped the profits grow.
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Very good post. Will definitely teach my son a few things about being an enterpreneur and let him make his own mind whether he likes it or not.
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