Reader Story: A Fresh Start on the Path to Prosperity
Published on - January 2nd, 2011 (Modified on - August 8th, 2011) (by J.D. Roth) This guest post from Louisa Rogers is part of the “reader stories” feature at Get Rich Slowly. Some stories contain general advice; others are examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. These stories feature folks from all levels of financial maturity and with all sorts of incomes. Previously at GRS, Louisa told us what it’s like to have even better than enough.
“May you have a prosperous New Year!” the saying goes. Although I’ve never been poor, some of my lifelong habits would certainly make you wonder. Until recently, my sense of financial well-being never matched the contents of my wallet. Now, I do feel a sense of prosperity, and it came about only because of gritty, purposeful change on my part — the kind of change we talk about as we embark on a new year.
I’m naturally frugal — or is that cheap? I’ve been called both. In either case, I don’t have trouble staying within my limits. I’m someone who can order every airline credit card that offers 25,000 frequent flyer miles, and stash the unused cards in my desk drawer while I happily fly the friendly skies. My husband teases me that while I love to earn, once I actually have the cash, I have little desire to spend it. (He spends it for me!)
But the downside of my particular brand of frugality is the stinginess that comes with it. I’m not saying this is true of all frugal types, but generosity isn’t my strong suit. I’ve been working on this “issue” (as we say these days) for awhile. Over time, I began to sense that before I could find my generosity gene, there was another step I needed to take.
Coming clean
I have a long history of stealing food from supermarkets. I started as a teenager in the Sixties. So what? Many people steal during adolescence, right? Yeah, but I only stopped a few years ago, and I’m, um, 59.
I used to open a package of oatmeal cookies in a supermarket, eat a handful, then hide the unfinished container on the back of a shelf behind other products. I snatched food from the bulk bins — and not just the occasional grape. I’d hide fat mounds of chips or dried figs or sesame sticks in my hands and munch on them as I wheeled my cart around the store. Before I left the supermarket, I’d go back for more — grabbing a few handfuls, quickly, stealthily, before an employee could catch me in the act.
Strangely enough, until a couple of years ago, I never called this “stealing”.
Now I belong to a 12-step program, and one of the steps says to “make direct amends to such people we had harmed wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.” After many long conversations with my sponsor, I decided to refund the money I owe for the food I’ve taken. Some of the stores are located in other parts of the country (indeed, the world), or may not even exist anymore. So my efforts have been imperfect. But I’ve tried.
Doing the math
I calculated estimates for the amounts I owed, and took bills of $30 or more to the store owner or customer-service manager. They didn’t always make it easy for me. Sometimes I’d find myself standing in the business office, fumbling over my words, wondering how to explain my odd request, and they’d interrupt me and say, “Look, don’t worry about it. We assume some sampling, it’s part of our pricing structure.”
“Yes, I understand,” I’d say, “but unless it’s too much trouble, I’d appreciate it if you’d accept my money anyway.” I knew it was the right thing to do for the stores, but I was only partly doing it for them; ultimately, I was doing it for me, so that I could walk around like a regular person and not feel like a thief.
Yes, it was awkward, but for the most part I was at least talking with strangers — except in the case where the store was actually a client of mine. I had given management seminars to their supervisory staff. I saved that refund until the end. But as my sponsor pointed out, the goal of this exercise wasn’t to make me squirm and feel as yucky as possible. I didn’t need to humiliate myself and make myself talk to my immediate client. In the end, the staff member I spoke with didn’t even ask my name.
The bulk of the stealing I did involved food. But I also occasionally snuck into the back entrance of a health club so that I could work out without using up one of my day passes. I refunded the health club, too.
Personal impact
After returning the money, I felt physically lighter, like I’d lost a few pounds. And I felt lighter about money, too. Which was odd, since after refunding, I had less money than I’d had before — not huge amounts, but still somewhat less. This would have once made me feel anxious, yet now I felt more relaxed.
In exploring this with my sponsor, I realized that for many years I’d had an underlying belief that the world owed me. Because of this, I felt like I didn’t need to abide by the same rules other folks did.
Why did I have this belief? Good question. In my 30s and 40s, I spent many hours in therapy exploring why I felt “owed.” I vaguely remember blaming the usual suspects — my mother, my father, my childhood. But even after all that therapy, I couldn’t tell you today where exactly that belief came from, and frankly, I don’t care anymore. These days, I pay attention to that attitude when it kicks into gear, but happily — maybe because I no longer steal — I don’t feel it much anymore.
A work in progress
Since repaying my debts, I’ve noticed that real opportunities for generosity show up often. For example, I frequently visit a neighborhood coffee shop and read the daily paper from the stack. I used to bring my own mug and teabag and pour myself hot water from the insulated jug to avoid paying $2.50 for a cup of tea. Recently, I thought about all the times I’d sat at a table without contributing. I approached one of the owners, whom I knew. Handing her a $20 bill, I said I’d like to give her something towards my use of the place from time to time. “Great!” she said. ”That’ll help pay for the wifi.”
It’s amazing how good I felt that whole day. I was free! Free to hang out and read the newspaper, without feeling sneaky. I’ll give her another $20 down the road.
My niece graduated from high school this year. I worried about whether to send her a graduation check, because I couldn’t remember if my husband and I had given her older sister and brother checks when they graduated. Back then, I was definitely cheaper. Was it fair to gift her and not the others? I finally decided, whatever happened or didn’t happen before, it was better to err on the side of generosity. I wrote the check.
These may not sound like big steps to some of you; I’m still a work-in-progress when it comes to generosity. But my heart is open and I want to be more generous. Maybe that’s the biggest change. The darker side of frugality gets lighter with every step I take.
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Wow, this is a tough thing to own up to and admit in so public a forum. Let me be the first to say thank you for your bravery and willingness to discuss a topic that might earn you scorn.
Congratulations on your new step to a freer financial future and good luck with further endeavors.
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Glad that your recovery is going well. However, with regard to the coffee shop patronage…there are times when I would like to go into my local Starbucks or other coffee shop and purchase a drink and sit and enjoy it while hot. I cannot because all the seats are taken So that proprietor loses out on my business in that instance. I feel strongly that people sitting in these coffee shops should be buying something. $20 here and there is not fair to the business owner or other potential customers. There is rent and utilities and insurance which must be paid for and they count on business revenue to do that, not donations from time to time. The public library is a better choice.
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Thank you for this article. There is a real power in calling things what they are. I think there are many things that people think as “normal” such as downloading pirated music, using cracked software, etc that are no different than these things. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Good luck on the rest of your journey.
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What an awesome, unique post! What do you think about media piracy? When you’re on a tight budget but you still need to *live* somewhat, piracy presents a pretty tempting way of staying entertained while cutting back on plenty of things: Cable television subscriptions, video games, books, albums, movies…
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I’m glad you got the help you needed! What a great way to heal and make amends.
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Thank-you for your story and for presenting a different perspective to frugality. This post was a great act of generosity, because you shared something deeply personal for the sake of helping others, including myself.
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Louisa,
I applaud you for having the bravery, not only to get help for this, but also to publicly admit to it in JD’s blog.
Making amends can free your spirit and help clear your mind.
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Thank you for a wonderful post! I think the difference between frugal and cheap is how it feels – being frugal feels good, being cheap doesn’t! Another measure to use is what example am I setting for (my) children? If they did what I am doing, how would I feel about it? Proud or ashamed?
PS – you can also browse the papers at your library – your tax dollars paid for them!
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Looks like you have come a long way, Louisa!
It takes a strong person to admit their mistakes. The world is going to open up to you sooo much more now.
Enjoy it!
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What an interesting post. I’m glad you feel better about yourself and that you made amends to the people/organizations you took ‘advantage’ of. I think that petty theft is often a way to make us feel better about ourselves despite the end result being that we generally feel even worse.
I have a family member who does the same sorts of things, especially the sampling at supermarkets. He doesn’t open packages but he helps himself at the bulk bins for sure. Not that I’m a saint myself or anything, but I have helped this person to see that shoplifting from Home Depot (small items that fit in the pocket for example) and eating food that he hasn’t paid for is not right. If he ever comes shopping with me, I warn him about this theft. He too had the sense that he was ‘owed’ something and his justification was that ‘these companies charge me too much to begin with and they owe me this’. He felt as though he was getting ahead but what was really happening was that his behavior was a ticking time bomb and it was only a matter of time before he was prosecuted for shoplifting. I never made him take the stuff back but I would cringe whenever he turned his pockets out with pride after a trip to (for example) Home Depot. I began to avoid his requests to accompany him shopping and I stopped inviting him to go with me. Eventually I started shopping with him again but we talked about his habit and how it would ruin him if he didn’t stop. This is probably far more extreme than your situation but, today, he can go into a store and as far as I know not shoplift anything. He still samples whenever he comes to the supermarket with me but I’m working on that one too. He did what he did because of fundamentally poor self esteem.
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Being generous is something I have to THINK about to make happen. For me, it is a matter of believing I live in a world of scarcity. When I catch that thinking, I say that I live in a world of abundance. I can give of my self and money and not be “losing”. That scarcity mentality also makes it hard to be happy for others when good things happen. Believing in abundance feels better, and yet it is a struggle to get there.
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Wow, what an interesting and unique story.
I am curious, what made you realize you needed to change? (If you don’t mind me asking.) Or did the program you are in make you realize that what you were doing is wrong?
I cannot imagine how hard it was to face the stores and such and pay what you felt you owed. I give you a lot of credit. It would have been easier to either send the money anonymously or just not take food anymore. Congratulations for taking the high road, and I am sure you feel much better on the inside for doing so.
I wish you well on your path to healing. We are all a work in progress, we all just have different things to work on!
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Lisa, I loved your wonderful and honest post. We all have our dark side, how brave of you to reveal yours.
Your honesty also made me laugh. I tend to find humor in everything. But now I understand all the abandoned, opened containers on supermarket shelves I have noticed and wondered about over the years.
We are all a work in progress . . . I think you may turn out to be a masterpiece.
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Thank you for being brave enough to share your story. And congratulations on growing and being able to change – very few people can!
Happy 2011!
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An interesting post that I enjoyed reading. Hopeful? I especially liked the fairness bit about writing a check to niece graduating and not the others. I struggle with this too.
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We were out in a local tourist town a few years ago when my youngest son was about 4 y.o. He had to go to the washroom and when I helped him put his coat back on, I realized he’d managed to shoplift about 10 things from local stores we’d browsed through and had them in his pockets. We went back and returned everything, making him apologize to the store owners (unfortunately they thought it was “so cute”). Lately, he’s taken to lifting things from the lost and found at school?!? (Which is also stealing IMHO). He’s also cheap/frugal with a strong desire to earn and save and little desire to spend (at 10 y.o.), but I’m at a loss as to why he thinks this is okay.
Thanks for the perspective, did you do that kind of thing when you were younger too?
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Louisa,
Congrats on embracing your fear & sharing your courage to change and your experience with us.
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What a brave post! Thanks so much for sharing your story.
My guess is that the ‘world owes me’ mindset is a way to suppress the twinges of a guilty conscience; to over come decades of habit and behavior is amazing. Congratulations.
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Thank you for your honesty and perspective.
I tend to get that “the world owes me” attitude when it comes to food. Haven’t figured out the root of it either but am working to change that line of thinking.
Again, thanks for sharing.
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I taught in a religious school and took a poll of my 8th graders. 95% of the students thought that taking things under $5.00 was fine- from donuts to magazines (only the ones that were bent was a justification). We spent the next month talking through scenarios of people taking stuff from them. Next we worked through self esteem.
The local grocer came in (small town) and explained that he lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue and had to charge everyone more because of the “small thefts”. He even did a bit of a graph on the board showing how much small theft impacts the community. Personally, I was in shock!
You have dealt with a tough issue.
I am delighted you are beating it and taking control of your own life. My pocketbook wishes many more people would join you.
I’d love to see a follow up on tax loopholes….
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Heartwarming story, Louisa — thank you. And thanks to your sponsor, too, for being willing to listen and think with you about the “issue”. I got a lump in my throat just thinking about your courage and determination to set things right.
I’m sure many readers of this blog have a some dark corner of shame about a bad habit that has inflicted injuries on others. May we all find your wisdom to recognize that habits can be changed and the courage to take one step at a time to change them.
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I agree with Regina #2 in that the coffee shop charges for things so they can stay in business. Going back to retroactively pay for time spent there is not generosity. The gift to the relative was slightly more generous but maybe this year you will be able to spend some time really understanding the difference between generosity and making amends.
Thanks for sharing your story. When I worked for a small family grocery store, I knew we only made about 2% profit and the employees got paid so little that when we would catch someone shoplifting, it was a real slap in the face. I’m glad you have decided to change your ways and share your story because it might help others who do the same things to stop.
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I am amongst those who applaud your courage and the attempts to make restitution.
I’m pretty certain I would be far too cowardly to face-up in the stores personally. I also wonder if some of those payments ended up in the pockets of those who accepted them.
Another way of stepping up might be to pay it on, e.g. give to the homeless, paying for someone else’s coffee, giving anonymously to someone who needs it.
Notwithstanding, I can only guess at the bravery it took for you to post your experiences. Well done!
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What was the logic/emotion behind stealing small stuff? You mention frugality and saving money, but there’s not a lot of savings to be had from $3 cookie bags and $2 tea. Was frugality just the excuse for an otherwise-unrelated compulsion?
Also, to be clear, if you go into a coffee shop and sit or read, you need to buy something. Every time, no exceptions (including giving the owner $20, though you’re also welcome to do that). As someone else noted, it’s very possible to steal by preventing other revenue, and even if the place is completely empty, you’re receiving a valuable service (atmosphere) that the owner pays dearly for.
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wow, strong/brave lady to tell your story in so public a forum … I’ll bet there’s a lot of readers that you’ll be helping as well. Good luck in your recovery.
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To those who’ve brought up software/music/movie piracy in the comments, it’s important to recognize that this is not stealing. I don’t mean by this to imply that it’s ok, just that it’s a different thing. It’s copying. If you hang a reproduction Van Gogh on your wall, you are not stealing from Van Gogh. Imagine you looked up “Starry Night” on Google, printed it out, and used it as a template from which to paint your own copy. When you finished, you hung the copy on your wall. This is exactly the same thing as downloading music from the internet (albeit, it takes more work), but it’s not the same thing as stealing the painting from The MoMA in New York.
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I am a librarian, and I completely disagree. Books are copies of a work, and the author has a right to make income on every book that is sold. Telling yourself that the book is a copy, it’s not like you took the original, is a fallacy. Digital books, physical books, digital music, sheet music are all copies of an original, and are a product that the producer has a right to benefit from. Just like that pack of Keebler cookies is a copy of the original recipe.
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It is indeed theft of intellectual property, and a crime. Do you not pay attention to the warnings on software, DVDs and CDs?
Also – I do agree the author is very brave in the article to write about her past issues with stealing. But I too think she needs to learn the difference between being generous and paying what she owes. Paying for what you have stolen in the past (including using the coffee shops valuable space for paying customers) is not being generous, its just doing the right thing. But don’t do that any more, just pay as you go for what you get. No telling yourself you are going to play catch up later.
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Great reader story! Thanks for sharing it with us JD.
Like another commentor, I’d be interested to hear thoughts on media piracy, which I think a lot of your readers have contact with every day (unlike this shoplifting stuff which personally, I don’t really relate to since if my friends and family are stealing they don’t tell me).
For me, I hate media piracy and get a bit preachy when I find out my friends are illegally downloading movies, songs, tv shows instead of buying them. To me, it’s the same as stealing but people are pretty brazen in their justification of it. All I can do is lead by example I suppose.
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“Imagine you looked up “Starry Night” on Google, printed it out, and used it as a template from which to paint your own copy. When you finished, you hung the copy on your wall. This is exactly the same thing as downloading music from the internet ”
That’s the worst analogy I ever heard. More accurately would be going to google and being able to near instantly produce an EXACT in every detail duplicate of the painting for free, and making MoMA’s copy of the painting worthless in the process and putting the MoMA nearly into bankruptcy too.
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@Adam:
1) If you have a good enough printer, you can essentially do what you say (especially for other art forms besides paintings, like famous photographs).
2) Eve if this is the case, it doesn’t make the MoMA’s copy worthless (the MoMA themselves sell prints of their famous paintings, and people keep going there).
3) I don’t see what the level of effort required even has to do with it. Are you saying that thefts that are easy are more ok than thefts that are difficult? So, shoplifting is fine, but bank robbery isn’t?
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Interesting story – and I agree that it’s brave of you to put this out there on this blog. I also believe your behaviors weren’t about frugality at all, but something deeper.
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@Tyler:
1) If you have a good enough printer you can make an exact duplicate of an oil painting? No, you can’t. I am keeping to your analogy of Starry Night, which if you know anything at all about art, you’ll know is not something you can print in 2D.
2) Yes, the MoMA SELLS prints. My exact point, they sell and make money on the prints. Stealing media for free doesn’t pay the artist for their work, which is wrong. And against capitalism, which I am pro, and against the artist, which I am also pro, in case you didn’t realize this.
3) If you paint your OWN painting using a copy of Starry night as a guide to enjoy, that is not stealing. That’s the effort point I was making about your poor analogy. If you download a song for free rather than pay the artist for their efforts, you’re not doing any work at all. You’re clicking a button to steal it from someone who worked hard. If you paint your own interpretation of Starry Night to enjoy, you’ve done hard work yourself. Make sense?
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Louisa, thanks so much for sharing your story. I’m in awe of the courage that it took to share it in this public forum. Way to go!
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Heck of a post – thanks, JD and Louisa.
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Louisa you just reminded me that it is never too late to try start over. Good for you.
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@Adam:
1) That’s a pretty limited scope. You’re not worried about photography as an art form, just painting? Why? Because it’s easy to use a “you can’t print in 3D, therefore the end product is different” defense? What if I had used Ansel Adams in my initial example?
2) They sell prints, and people still come. There are many thousands of times more copies of Starry Night than there are originals. If they gave them away for free, people would still come see the original in the museum. If the museum put up ultra-high resolution JPEG images of all their works on their website, people would still go to the museum. People go to the museum to see an original, and to experience going to the museum. Saying the museum would go bankrupt if it were easy to make copies of their work is like saying people would stop going to concerts if it was easy to copy music.
2b) Copying artwork (or music, movies, software) doesn’t pay the artist for their work, but then, the MoMA doesn’t pay Van Gogh for his work, either (he’s long since dead). It’s not about paying an artist, but a copyright holder, which is something else entirely. Also, in the particular case of Starry Night, the work is probably old enough to be in the public domain, which means making copies of it is perfectly legal. This hasn’t shuttered the doors at the museum, though.
3) The effort thing *makes no sense*. What if it was 20 years ago and I couldn’t easily download music off the internet. What if I spent 6 months building my own analog-to-digital converter to hook up to a CD player, and writing software to digitize the music myself, and I was the first person able to make digital copies of CDs on my home computer? Basically, what if copying music (like copying artwork) was hard? Would it be ok then? If so, why? If not, then why does that apply to art but not music?
I have no idea why you think that doing something “bad” is more excusable as long as you put a lot of effort into it. By that logic, beating someone to death is a lesser crime than shooting them.
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2010 started out to be the worst year ever. I was just out of the hospital after a 7 day stay. There was no Christmas and I was hospitalized for New Years. The day of my release, I found my self homeless, without money, and on my way to divorce. My life changed forever. I had lost everything, so I thought.
I was severely depressed for many months and on meds. I was living with family and not always a pleasant situation.
I have gone through many changes this past year, hard, yes but I made it.
I was gifted with some really great people who are uplifting, inspiring and helped me with my transition to be more positive about myself.
I now rent a room that is larger then most. While I am on unemployment I was able to work a seasonal job, which allowed me to get out of the house and be around others. It helped me become happy.
I have limited income, but it is enough to keep me going. I pay my rent, but my food and a couple of necessary bills, the rest will have to wait. I will probably file bankruptcy early this year. Not a great choice, but none the less it is a decision I have to make and I apologize in advance.
I have found that in order to live a better life you have to change your mindset. You have to work on you and who you want to be inside. Dwelling on what you want and do not have is of no help to you, it will only bring you more of the same.
You need to learn to live in the now of time. You can not change your past, but you can change your future.
To learn to accept and know that even though you do not have everything you want or think you need, you may have more then what others have. Even when you think you don’t.
Change is hard but doable. You have to want to change your self on the inside. If you continue to think about what you do not have you will draw to you more of the same.
I do not have everything in my hearts desire, but I have a roof over my head, food to eat and a vehicle to get me around.
I know that there is more to come far better then what has past and I accept my situation of now as a resting point in my life.
Embrace where you are today, for tomorrow only promises to be better.
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I know others have said it, but I feel I have to chime in because I recently met people at a coffee shop on two separate occasions to meet about business — and these people did not buy anything. I was shocked! People: you need to buy something at a coffee shop in order to sit there. It’s not a library.
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Thanks for sharing part of your 8th & 9th steps. Hard to imagine getting going on those, but very uplifting once done! Been there, done that, 19 now & looking forward to each and every day and what life brings. Have a great 2011. . .!
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Very interesting post. I commend you for sharing your story and for all of the personal growth that you’ve experienced. I do, however, disagree with your approach to coffee shops/cafes. Your local cafe provides those papers for its patrons – there’s an implicit trade-off: you buy something from the store, and as part of that buying experience, you get to linger in the establishment, read, work on your laptop, socialize with friends, etc. The business would go out of business if everyone brought their own drinks and just used the perks for free. Instead of paying $20 on occasion, I suggest buying a drink from them each time you go. You’d never go to a restaurant, use their water glasses and napkins, but pull your entire meal out of your purse to eat at the restaurant. So, why do that at a coffee shop?
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I think you’re missing the point here. When you are living in state of stinginess, or “the world owes me” mindset, then you are not living a fulfilled life.
I find the experience so much richer and more enjoyable when:
I only go to the movies if I can afford the snack to go with it. That is only about 2x a year.
I listen to the radio a lot but love it when I find a song worth paying for.
I borrow most books from the library but feel great when I get to “Thank” the author by purchasing a great book.
I grew up in poverty and being able to do these things make me feel rich. I deliberately avoid getting stuck in the poverty mindset that thinks, “I need all the free handouts I can get.”
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It looks like you’re making a good start on becoming a generous person.
I did grow up in poverty – no birthday gifts & some years no Christmas gifts, every month not knowing if there would be enough food to last until the next payday so lots of beans & potato meals, ect. I remember the first time my parents took us out to eat. I was about 10 yrs old & we went out for ice cream cones. I was so thrilled my dad actually agreed to buy us each our own cone!
My experiences have made me more generous as an adult. I love giving whether it’s money, food, gifts or just the gift of kindness & mercy to strangers. I love living within my budget so that I do have money to help others. I actually plan in my budget for things like this. I also volunteer time at my local food bank to keep things in perspective.
Reaching out & trying to understand someone who really is in poverty & really can be tempted to steal food or starve helps me see how wealthy I am.
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Thank you so much for sharing this story – it is inspiring to see someone look so deeply into themselves and share so willingly.
As for the media piracy issue, this is something that has frustrated me for a long time. Friends of mine who would never steal from a shop think nothing of downloading a pirated song, game, book, or movie. People give a lot of bizarre justifications for this, but at the end of the day, it IS stealing. Someone mentioned still wanting to “live” and enjoy things, even on a limited budget – I don’t see any reason you can’t: go to the library (my local library has books, CD’s, movies, software), watch free shows on Hulu, listen to the radio and request your favorite songs, invest in an e-reader and read from the millions of books that are now in the public domain, get a free Pandora account and listen to a customized radio station for up to 40 hours a month… There are plenty of ways to be entertained for free that don’t involve stealing.
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Great post. I really appreciate the honesty, and it also seems like we don’t get as many posts about “what I’m doing/I did wrong,” now that JD is on such a good path. (Not begrudging you that, JD, I just like this type of post too!)
I don’t have a problem with people who pirate. When I pay for movies in the theater, I have to sit through 15+ minutes of advertising. It used to be that if a movie started at 2pm, previews started at 1:50. If you paid for a movie at 2pm, it started at 2pm. Now you’re held captive to the ads, after paying more than $10 for the movie. It infuriates me and no longer feel any sympathy for the studios. I acknowledge that this is the “they owe us!” reflex kicking in, but I can live with that.
As for coffee shops, I would never sit without buying something. There is a coffee shop/restaurant in my condo building that I use a lot, and I always at least buy coffee or tea if I’m going to sit and read, or work. I don’t overstay my welcome if they start to get busy, and I make sure they get plenty of take-out business from me; I think it works out okay for both parties.
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I would never pirate media- stealing is stealing and stealing from a company doesn’t make it ok. I am also shocked at the class in which 95% of the kids thought stealing something small was ok. Is this how parents bring up kids today? My kids knew ( the same way I was brought up) – there is no snacking at the store and nothing opened to be eaten until it is paid for- as to just taking things- never- payment, apology and punishment would follow(never needed because it was never done).
I had that Starbucks problem the other day. I had bought a drink and a snack and every table was taken- sometimes a table with three chairs by someone with a computer- who may have had a beverage but nothing was visible on the table. I just sat down at one of those tables- I didn’t think one person who had taken over a table had a right to all three chairs. I note that Borders and Whole Foods(at least near me) have posted rules about how long you can stay.
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Re: media piracy. Thankfully, I don’t deal with this issue much. I buy I-Tunes and rent Netflix, but am not otherwise a big buyer of media. My husband is more so, and he believes in paying for for media. One thing I didn’t say is that before we were married, we occasionally shoplifted together, but he urged us to stop. In fact, one of our wedding vows was not to shoplift. He was never happy to hear if I had taken something, so I avoided telling him, but of course I never considered it shoplifting anyway.
#12 “Everyday Tips.” What made me want to change… I had been working the 12 steps painstakingly for a long time with my sponsor, I felt deep support from her, and I was ready. I didn’t want to feel like a sneak any more.
#16 Jacq. Yes, I did steal at a younger age… I think I first stole around age 15. I stole pens and lunches from other kids at school. I allowed myself to be found out, it became a semi-joke, and I formed an identity around being known as the “klepto.” I badly wanted attention; any kind, however negative. Later I stole money for ice cream sandwiches, candy and cigarettes from other students (my friends, some!) at the boarding school I attended. I was deeply lonely and homesick there, and halfway around the world from my parents. I was discovered (fortunately), and I went to my English teacher for help. She was very loving and somehow I stopped stealing from fellow students. But as my story described, the stealing habit followed me in other ways.
As for whether this is really about frugality, I agree, it isn’t. Nor is it really about food, though most of my stealing has been food.
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I have to say that genorisity doesn’t have to come in the monetary form only. If you spend time doing something on a volunteer basis, that works as genorisity as well. I volunteer once every other week at a local horse back riding program that gives lessons to mentally and physically disabled children. I know a lot about horses, doing this type of training, and really enjoy time with the kids. This wouldn’t give me the same feeling as say donating $20 a week. Also you can be nice to a total stranger, buy the person behind you their coffee one day. My husband is active duty military, and when he goes out in his uniform, he has been offered lunch for free on a couple of occassions, so we will buy a stranger coffee or lunch to equal out the karma in the universe. So while you may consider yourself “stingy” with money, there is one more thing more important than money and it is time.
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Louisa
Thank you for sharing your story. It speaks so strongly to something that I think each of us struggle with to some degree.
A few years ago, one of my friends was in a very unhealthy relationship and spent a lot of time learning how to do better and be better in her life. As part of her personal atonement – she wrote a letter that she shared with me (and others in her life). In that letter she wrote, “I am a liar and the person I most often lie to is myself.” That one sentence has stuck with me ever since she shared it. It was definitely a “Whoa” moment.
Recognizing our self deceptions is what I believe to be the strongest way we can move forward and change. Acknowledging that truth to others makes us accountable.
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I’ve got to comment on two points here. First, that sitting in a coffee shop without purchasing anything is robbing the owner. I can understand if you feel like you should buy something if you go in. However, it makes no sense to condemn people for sitting in a coffee shop without buying when the owner of the coffee shop allows it! In many cases, the shops use this as a way to attract customers. Regina (#2), I’m sorry that you have trouble getting a seat at Starbucks, but that’s a Starbucks policy. They are allowing people to sit for free. They may be losing revenue, but that’s how they choose to run their shop. If they had a sign saying “no loitering without purchase”, it would be different. But they don’t.
Second, piracy. I have to correct the example Tyler was using: “Imagine you looked up “Starry Night” on Google, printed it out, and used it as a template from which to paint your own copy. When you finished, you hung the copy on your wall. This is exactly the same thing as downloading music from the internet…”
No, it’s not the same. In the Starry Night example, you’re creating your own art. (There are also issues surrounding recreating someone else’s art, but that’s a different discussion.) Also, Starry Night makes for a nice justification for piracy, because:
- Van Gogh is dead, so what does he care?
- Starry Night is already in the public domain, which means that it is legal to make copies of it.
- You can see Starry Night in a museum.
Let’s try a new example. You just finished writing a chemistry textbook, a four-year endeavor. You sell it for a reasonable price, and even offer a PDF version (at a lower price, of course), giving people a chance to save money. But instead, everyone just pirates the PDF, and you make no money.
An artist’s right to their work isn’t about physical copies of the work, and it’s not only about the physical labor required to create each copy. It’s that they have used their time, effort, and artistic talent to create art, and they earn money by selling copies of that art. You obviously value artistic talent and creative effort, or you could just write your own songs and sing them to yourself. Stealing is stealing, whether you’re taking something physical away from someone, or whether you’re depriving them of income that they legally deserve. Is it stealing to sneak onto a bus? Is it stealing to sneak into a movie theater? You’re not physically taking anything from the theater.
(and whether or not piracy is “stealing”, or whether or not it’s unethical, it’s still illegal).
Cely (#43), I understand how annoying advertisements at the beginning of a movie can be, but that’s part of the admission price. And “the price is too high” is not a valid justification for stealing.
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Louisa, congratulations on an eloquent and important post. Two thumbs up!
And as a public librarian, I know that many, many libraries allow you to bring in a covered beverage and use the Internet, read magazines, newspapers, and books, etc. Your tax dollars have paid for that, so take advantage of your local library. That way, you can leave Starbucks for when you want to buy something.
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@ Louisa: Best wishes and continued strength for your recovery. Thank you for being brave enough to share your story. I hope it inspires other people to think about making amends too. (and I see it’s generated some great debate too!)
@Tyler, Adam et al: The art history student in me has to add to the debate. Many museums own the reproduction rights for their works. Depending on the painting, reproductions that aren’t for the purposes of criticism/commentary or education are illegal. You aren’t “making your own art” unless you’re doing something new with it or using it in such a way as to comment or critique it (a la post-modernism). Just because it’s all over the internet doesn’t mean it’s public domain.
If you’re interested in the philosophical aspects of “making copies”, I’d recommend reading Walter Benjamin’s “The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction” — many of his arguments still hold true! The ease with which we can reproduce something affects our perception of its value.
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