Reader Story: A Fresh Start on the Path to Prosperity
Published on - January 2nd, 2011 (Modified on - August 8th, 2011) (by J.D. Roth) This guest post from Louisa Rogers is part of the “reader stories” feature at Get Rich Slowly. Some stories contain general advice; others are examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. These stories feature folks from all levels of financial maturity and with all sorts of incomes. Previously at GRS, Louisa told us what it’s like to have even better than enough.
“May you have a prosperous New Year!” the saying goes. Although I’ve never been poor, some of my lifelong habits would certainly make you wonder. Until recently, my sense of financial well-being never matched the contents of my wallet. Now, I do feel a sense of prosperity, and it came about only because of gritty, purposeful change on my part — the kind of change we talk about as we embark on a new year.
I’m naturally frugal — or is that cheap? I’ve been called both. In either case, I don’t have trouble staying within my limits. I’m someone who can order every airline credit card that offers 25,000 frequent flyer miles, and stash the unused cards in my desk drawer while I happily fly the friendly skies. My husband teases me that while I love to earn, once I actually have the cash, I have little desire to spend it. (He spends it for me!)
But the downside of my particular brand of frugality is the stinginess that comes with it. I’m not saying this is true of all frugal types, but generosity isn’t my strong suit. I’ve been working on this “issue” (as we say these days) for awhile. Over time, I began to sense that before I could find my generosity gene, there was another step I needed to take.
Coming clean
I have a long history of stealing food from supermarkets. I started as a teenager in the Sixties. So what? Many people steal during adolescence, right? Yeah, but I only stopped a few years ago, and I’m, um, 59.
I used to open a package of oatmeal cookies in a supermarket, eat a handful, then hide the unfinished container on the back of a shelf behind other products. I snatched food from the bulk bins — and not just the occasional grape. I’d hide fat mounds of chips or dried figs or sesame sticks in my hands and munch on them as I wheeled my cart around the store. Before I left the supermarket, I’d go back for more — grabbing a few handfuls, quickly, stealthily, before an employee could catch me in the act.
Strangely enough, until a couple of years ago, I never called this “stealing”.
Now I belong to a 12-step program, and one of the steps says to “make direct amends to such people we had harmed wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.” After many long conversations with my sponsor, I decided to refund the money I owe for the food I’ve taken. Some of the stores are located in other parts of the country (indeed, the world), or may not even exist anymore. So my efforts have been imperfect. But I’ve tried.
Doing the math
I calculated estimates for the amounts I owed, and took bills of $30 or more to the store owner or customer-service manager. They didn’t always make it easy for me. Sometimes I’d find myself standing in the business office, fumbling over my words, wondering how to explain my odd request, and they’d interrupt me and say, “Look, don’t worry about it. We assume some sampling, it’s part of our pricing structure.”
“Yes, I understand,” I’d say, “but unless it’s too much trouble, I’d appreciate it if you’d accept my money anyway.” I knew it was the right thing to do for the stores, but I was only partly doing it for them; ultimately, I was doing it for me, so that I could walk around like a regular person and not feel like a thief.
Yes, it was awkward, but for the most part I was at least talking with strangers — except in the case where the store was actually a client of mine. I had given management seminars to their supervisory staff. I saved that refund until the end. But as my sponsor pointed out, the goal of this exercise wasn’t to make me squirm and feel as yucky as possible. I didn’t need to humiliate myself and make myself talk to my immediate client. In the end, the staff member I spoke with didn’t even ask my name.
The bulk of the stealing I did involved food. But I also occasionally snuck into the back entrance of a health club so that I could work out without using up one of my day passes. I refunded the health club, too.
Personal impact
After returning the money, I felt physically lighter, like I’d lost a few pounds. And I felt lighter about money, too. Which was odd, since after refunding, I had less money than I’d had before — not huge amounts, but still somewhat less. This would have once made me feel anxious, yet now I felt more relaxed.
In exploring this with my sponsor, I realized that for many years I’d had an underlying belief that the world owed me. Because of this, I felt like I didn’t need to abide by the same rules other folks did.
Why did I have this belief? Good question. In my 30s and 40s, I spent many hours in therapy exploring why I felt “owed.” I vaguely remember blaming the usual suspects — my mother, my father, my childhood. But even after all that therapy, I couldn’t tell you today where exactly that belief came from, and frankly, I don’t care anymore. These days, I pay attention to that attitude when it kicks into gear, but happily — maybe because I no longer steal — I don’t feel it much anymore.
A work in progress
Since repaying my debts, I’ve noticed that real opportunities for generosity show up often. For example, I frequently visit a neighborhood coffee shop and read the daily paper from the stack. I used to bring my own mug and teabag and pour myself hot water from the insulated jug to avoid paying $2.50 for a cup of tea. Recently, I thought about all the times I’d sat at a table without contributing. I approached one of the owners, whom I knew. Handing her a $20 bill, I said I’d like to give her something towards my use of the place from time to time. “Great!” she said. ”That’ll help pay for the wifi.”
It’s amazing how good I felt that whole day. I was free! Free to hang out and read the newspaper, without feeling sneaky. I’ll give her another $20 down the road.
My niece graduated from high school this year. I worried about whether to send her a graduation check, because I couldn’t remember if my husband and I had given her older sister and brother checks when they graduated. Back then, I was definitely cheaper. Was it fair to gift her and not the others? I finally decided, whatever happened or didn’t happen before, it was better to err on the side of generosity. I wrote the check.
These may not sound like big steps to some of you; I’m still a work-in-progress when it comes to generosity. But my heart is open and I want to be more generous. Maybe that’s the biggest change. The darker side of frugality gets lighter with every step I take.
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@48 Aaron: THANK you! Well said.
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Thank you for sharing so openly about yourself. It took a lot of courage and certainly made me think about what I may take advantage of that could be considered stealing. Thank you for opening my eyes. I very much relate to the feeling of having something owed to me and don’t know why. I don’t like that feeling and try to work on that also. I hope that sharing your story was therapeutic also.! Good luck with your journey.
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Interesting story. I’m not sure exactly how to react to it, but it was a good read.
@26 – Tyler, you are full of crap. Its stealing, no matter the justification.
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As a fellow 12 stepper I would just like to say thanks for the insight and the honesty.
jd
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Louisa, thank you for sharing your story. It took courage and it is giving me food for thought.
@Tyler, I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Downloading or copying music is stealing. I was once married to a musician, and his bands would seek to make money by selling their CDs. If you copied your friend’s CD or otherwise gained access to XMrP’s recordings, you were stealing $15 from my ex.
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This was a wonderful post. But isn’t ordering credit cards for the miles and then not using them also stealing?
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@56 Emma
How is ordering credit cards for the bonus they give and not using them stealing? They could make it so that you have to use the credit card to get the miles but they choose not to.
Also, I don’t see how giving a coffee shop money to use the wireless instead of buying a drink is a bad thing. That’s just like buying a drink without actually getting a drink.
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@Brenton/HollyP/everyone:
No, it’s *not* stealing. It’s something different. This doesn’t mean it’s OK, but it’s not stealing.
If your ex sold CDs for $15/each and I made a copy of one, I did not steal $15 from your ex.
Let’s say pre-copying, your ex had $1000 in his checking account. How many dollars are now in his checking account? It’s still $1000, he hasn’t lost anything, so what money did I steal? If I didn’t buy/copy/or obtain the CD at all, is that also stealing? It has the exact same effect on your ex’s finances account.
What if instead of making one copy and “stealing” $15, I made ten thousand copies (this would be easy, I could store them all on the same hard drive). Do I now owe your ex $150,000? Even more, is your ex now in debt for $149,000? Of course not.
What if I then delete all those files off my hard drive? Have I cleared my debt? Do I still owe him $150,000?
What if I buy a stack of blank CDs, and onto each one, I burn a copy of his album, then launch the disc into the sky like a clay pigeon and shoot it with a shotgun? How much have I stolen from him then? $0? $15? $15 times the number of discs I burned and then destroyed?
If your ex actually had a warehouse full of physical CDs that he was trying to sell, I’d obviously be doing him a great deal of financial harm by taking those CDs and shooting them with a shotgun. With the burned copies in my example, not so much. Your ex is never affected one way or another and it becomes completely immaterial whether or not I burned those discs with his record before I destroyed them.
It’s not stealing. It’s a different thing. That doesn’t mean it’s ok, but it’s not stealing. It’s not even legally counted as stealing. It’s a violation of copyright, which is a completely different set of laws.
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I guess you don’t know about intellectual property Tyler. THAT is what you are stealing.
I am glad you are being educated about a type of theft that is common- but still very unjustifiable.
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Janette – actually, I know about intellectual property. And Tyler is correct. It’s not theft (of property), it’s infringement (of rights).
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i KMOW i’M NAIVE BUT I FOUND THIS STORY RATHER SHOCKING. I GUESS THAT ANYONE WOULD ADMIT TO THIS PUBLICLY. I THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO BUY THINGS, SO TO SPEAK, WHICH ARE ON SALE AND WITH A COUPON SO THEY ARE FREE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS LEGAL BUT NOT ETHICAL. AFTERALL THOSE PEOPLE SELLING IT NEED TO MAKE A PROFIT, TOO.
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Wow, this is a really interesting story. Congratulations on your change in perspective, and trying to right those wrongs.
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http://www.wipo.int/freepublications/en/intproperty/909/wipo_pub_909.html
Quibbling over the wording does not justify the act.
THAT is the point.
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I think this post may be my favorite in the couple of years I’ve been reading this blog. Thank you so much for your honesty, both in your actions and in sharing them with us.
It strikes me that making amends after stealing ends up being far more courageous and honorable than just not stealing in the first place.
May you be blessed in your journey toward wholeness and generosity, and may others (including me) find the same inspiration through your story.
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If I tell you that “burglary” is a different thing from “cheating on a college exam” that doesn’t justify cheating either, nor is it “quibbling over wording”. I am not trying to justify anybody’s actions, merely to establish that these are different things.
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To everyone arguing that media “piracy” is stealing or what-have-you, take in to consideration that throughout the vast history of our world artists have made very little. We have entered and exited the golden age of artist earnings; before the Beatles, musicians made nothing. As rock and roll waxed over our world, monstrous rock and pop groups earned millions of dollars. The same goes for movie stars. But the days of these people earning millions for doing, in the grand scheme of things, very little are over. Entertainers do not deserve to earn the amount of money they earn while others languish in poverty. It was a fluke of history, a lot of people got very lucky, but those days are coming to an end.
Whether you think media piracy is good or bad, it doesn’t matter. Ten years from now that morality will give way to the vast library that is the internet; all music, movies, books, whatever, will be available in a moment’s notice for either free or a small subscription. Artists, to earn a living, will need to perform their art live or find other ways to monetize what they do. It’s already happening; musicians, for a long time, have made very little off of albums. Their money comes from touring and merchandise. If you love a band, buying the album is generally inconsequential these days. Go to the show and buy a t-shirt.
We all want to get paid, but if you’re doing the art for the money it’s not really about the art anymore, is it? The internet has and is still fundamentally changing the way we consume media. To fight it is utterly futile, as record labels and newspapers are finding out. Adapt or perish. The internet is our Library of Alexandria, the place where everyone is equal in knowledge. I think that’s pretty cool.
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Thanks for sharing your experience strength and hope. Keep coming back!
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All of this talk about downloading/pirating media is interesting. As far as laws go, I understand that there has to be something cut and dry. Its hard to get nuanced morality into laws all of the time. I often download media. I tend to download (or more recently, record on a PVR) my favorite tv shows. The downloading is illegal. And I don’t feel guilty at all about it. And here is why. Some of my favorite tv shows I watch very often. And once they are released on DVD I buy them at full retail price. But current technology allows me to enjoy them before this time as well. So, I have done something illegal, yet I have also supported the creators (or rights holders). So, the question is, is what I am doing immoral? I’d say no, but maybe thats just my justification.
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This was beautifully different to read. Thank you for sharing it!
@Dink: Very few people “deserve” what money they are paid for their work while others are impoverished. I make less than $50K/year, but that’s still incredible riches compared with most of the world. I have way more shelter than I need, climate control, electricity, sewer, hot water, clean drinking water which is more than most … where do you draw the line?
Saying that a handful of people make too much money for their craft doesn’t justify stealing from them, nor does it justify stealing from everyone who pursues the same craft.
Aaaaand, there are lots of people who do what they love to do and make a living from it. Art and income are not inherently mutually exclusive….
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@64, another interesting way of explaining some of the intellectual property arguments.
The problem with a lot of media companies that ultimately drives the end-result ‘piracy’ is their resistance to adapt and change…
For instance, let’s talk music. Napster was the music industry’s “cat out of the bag” moment in 1999, when MP3s with zero restrictions became available en masse to the public, and the public devoured it. The music industry, instead of adapting to this demand and figuring a way to monetize MP3 sales, fought tooth and nail to protect their profitable CD stream for as long as possible, w/ CD sales declining and music piracy exploding in its place.
Instead of addressing consumer demand for instant songs w/o any strings tying it back to one device, the industry decided to fight it. Itunes MP3 sales did not begin until 2003, and it wasn’t until 2009 that restriction-free songs were available on Itunes. 10 years to adapt to consumer demand is exactly the cause of ‘piracy’ in any industry, as the industry refuses to deliver the product to the consumer as they want to buy it, and the consumer decides to go ‘elsewhere.’ After that period of time, and after fighting the consumer tooth and nail against adapting, it becomes awfully hard for the industry to win back customers.
This same thing is starting to spring up with TV shows and movies. If a consumer can’t find a way to purchase and watch an episode of ‘Mystery Science Theatre 3000′ at 1 AM, or can’t find a way to watch the episode of ‘House’ from 3 days ago (Hulu doesn’t post it until 8 days have passed), the industry opens itself to piracy.
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This was really great and it may not be about ‘frugality’ exactly, it does explore one’s relationship with money.
Louisa, you are inspiring and a brave woman. I hope I will continue to evolve and better myself as you have. Bless you.
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71 comments and no other typo police?
“I spent many hours in THEORY exploring why I felt “owed.” ”
Now I’m wondering if it is a typo. I guess you could spend theoretical hours, if you felt you weren’t getting anything out of therapy. Typo or commentary on the effectiveness of therapy in identifying and finding solutions to personal problems?
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I look forward to reader stories! It’s real people trying to do something better. It’s inspiring! Thank you for sharing.
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@Dink (#66) – How does a writer perform live? Do you really want to watch me typing away at my computer for hours on end?
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“To those who’ve brought up software/music/movie piracy in the comments, it’s important to recognize that this is not stealing. I don’t mean by this to imply that it’s ok, just that it’s a different thing. It’s copying.”
The trouble is that if you copy software/music/movie from the internet, the copy is a true clone, it’s an exact version of the original in every way. Downloading a copy without paying for it is very much like stealing the original.
“If you hang a reproduction Van Gogh on your wall, you are not stealing from Van Gogh.”
No, because the original has already been sold and bought. And a reproduction painting is just that, a reproduction. “Reproduction” software/music/movie on the other hand are not; the copied digital materials are the same as the originals.
“Imagine you looked up “Starry Night” on Google, printed it out, and used it as a template from which to paint your own copy. When you finished, you hung the copy on your wall.”
Theoretically, you could. But in reality, you can’t. There is no way you can copy a painting the way you can copy software/music/movie from the internet. The analogy is wrong.
“This is exactly the same thing as downloading music from the internet (albeit, it takes more work), but it’s not the same thing as stealing the painting from The MoMA in New York.”
Copying a painting is not the same as downloading music from the internet. A copied painting is simply that, a copy. It is not illegal to do that unless you pass it off as the original. But when you download music from the internet, the downloaded copy is virtually the same thing as the original.
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#72 Samantha
Oops, you’re right, that was a typo. I did mean “therapy,” not “theory.” Therapy helped me in many areas of my life– but it did not stop me from stealing.
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Captivating story! I was actually sad when I came to the end of the post. Thank you for sharing with such honestly and humility, Louisa. I would love more articles like this.
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@Ann (#73), you must be aware that most writers make nothing from their writing and instead have to supplement it with teaching and lecturing gigs. Your writing is what makes you desirable as a teacher and a speaker. Just as in music, writing has its pop superstars and they are the only ones who make real money. The rest might sell a couple thousand books and earn only a couple thousand dollars for it. You need to think of sustainable ways to earn from your art and not simply assume that your art, even if it’s great and novel and enlightening, will generate a livable income on its own. Many of the great writers (and great artists as a whole) died in poverty. Why do we assume that our time is any different?
@Heather (#69), earning $50K a year, even if you just push papers around a desk all day, is worlds apart from earning $20 million for spending four months making a movie. You’re astute in asking where we draw the line, which is a morality judgment none of us should be allowed to make, but I think it’s quite obvious that the money some people earn is obscene. Again, whether you think it’s stealing or not, the trend is that media consumption is moving away from an old model that made a lot of people a lot of money to something that just won’t be able to generate as much in the long run. The people who see the light and adapt will be the ones that come out ahead in a couple of years.
Yes, income and art are not inherently mutually exclusive. But I think all artists need to recognize what technology is doing to distribution, figure out how they can be successful with it, and not delude themselves into thinking a blip of time in history entitles them to something specific.
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I just have to add one thing. I am really shocked about how supportive people are being on this post. Not that they shouldn’t be, however; when people have written posts about bankruptcy (which is completely legal and people usually do not start out borrowing knowing they will default down the line) they were vilified here!
Here, we have a story about someone shoplifting for thrill, not necessity, and she is congratulated for sharing her story and wished well into the future.
I think both examples of past wrongs should be shared without anger or blame or whatever it is that made people react so harshly to the other stories. I am just amazed by the duplicity here.
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Chickybeth – it is not the shoplifting that is being supported – it is the stopping of the shoplifting AND the making of amends. To stop destructive behavior is commendable, especially after decades of it. Figuring out how much to pay back and actually making that payment is what makes this story amazing.
How about a 2011 challenge to GRS readers? Pick one stealing behavior that ‘everyone does’ and don’t do it for the next year.
What would yours be? Stop taking home office supplies from work? Stop using the company phone and/or PC for personal use? Stop using your personal cellphone at work, on company time? Stop padding your expense reports? Stop taking questionable deductions on taxes? Stop taking ‘extras’ from restaurants – napkins, sugar/sweetner packets, straws? Stop lying about your child’s age so they can qualify for the kiddie rate/meal? Stop infringing/violating copyright?
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Chickybeth – I don’t equate Louisa’s story with people who declare bankruptcy. Perhaps if Louisa had simply resolved to stop shoplifting from that point on, the response to her story would have been more lukewarm. By resolving to make amends financially, what Louisa actually did is more akin to someone who declares bankruptcy and later pays back all their debts anyways. I think that is why the response is more positive.
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Wow Louisa – It must have taken some major courage to do what you did, so congrats. I hope 2011 finds a way to return that kind of generosity back to you! Thanks for sharing
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Fabulous post on the subtle ways finances/money and the psyche are interrlated. And how a strong desire for INTEGRITY finally wins out.
You speak of the idea of ‘feeling owed’, but as pointed out by a couple of others, I wondered if there was an underlying fear – I guess because that was my story. Somehow, at about the same age as you, I didn’t want to keep it up anymore. Truth was, I wanted more to be real. Until I could face my own shame, be real with me, I couldn’t be real with anyone else, including being the generous and caring person I knew I was too. Huge thanks for your honesty and bravery.
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Wow – You are brave to write this! I’m happy for you that you’ve embraced a new way of engaging with the world. It isn’t easy.
One thing I wanted to add – you probably lifted the spirits of those managers and owners you paid back. I worked in retail and becamse accustomed to people stealing, and people being a royal pain in the neck. Not only did you NOT complain to the managers and owners, but you were owning up to what you did wrong and making amends. Trust me, they do not see that very often! If I were in their shoes you would have restored my faith in people
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Courtney-
I disagree that someone who files for bankruptcy and then later pays the money back is the same as Louisa because of intent. Most people who claim bankruptcy do not start out their journey with a credit card etc. with the intent to later swindle the company out of money. When someone shoplifts and knows it is wrong, the intent to seal is there. Whether either person later decides to pay anything back to the company is irrelevant. Either the original intent was there or not.
My point was that this community has an interesting set of morals that vilify or commend people for their life choices without any real justification for either action. (i.e bankruptcy, divorce, shoplifting, etc.)
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Louisa, thank you so much for your story and your honesty. It was a powerful reminder for me that I needed very much today.
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For those who have posted about downloading/pirating, where does it end?
Do you consider watching youtube to be a form of theft? What about other forms of “streaming”? Back in the day when I thought I might miss a show on tv, I would set a VCR to record it, I might even ask a friend to borrow a copy, was that theft? I would also call radio stations and request a song and then quickly press record with my cassette player to capture it forever, was that theft?
Honestly to HollyP/55 rather than looking at it as someone stealing from your husband, he should be grateful for the additional publicity/chance of currying an additional fan.
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As MT(#70) said, whether or not piracy is moral, its going to happen. And I think a large number of people want to support artists, and this can be seen with the success of online digital media stores, such as the itunes store. And the model for producing music is much different now than it was 20 years ago. A person can start their own studio with much less capital than used to be possible because of how cheap personal computers are. My brother’s band produced 500 albums for approximately $500. And with how easy it is to set up a band website a band can sell their albums off of their own site, instead of having to work with the big record companies. Plus downloading music has helped a lot of artists find some sort of success. Many bands encourage sharing of their music.
The internet has opened so many doors as far as access to information, but it has also made many laws outdated. New business models are needed, but I am confident people do want to support artists if they have a convenient way to do so.
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I’m impressed by the fortitude that it must take to admit something so personal in public. Thank you for sharing.
While you felt “owed,” I have suffered from the opposite — I felt (feel!) that I owe the world, and no matter how well I perform or how much comfort and support I give to others, it’s never enough. It would never have occurred to me to steal in even the tiniest ways or to even so much as take a penny from the free-penny tray at checkout… I didn’t consider myself worthy of the same benefits and perks that other people get. Instead, I was (am?) constantly trying to give to the world and put everyone else’s comfort and happiness above my own. I just made myself smaller and smaller until I and my needs almost disappeared.
You and I are the inverse of each other. Both types of behavior are flawed. Both need changing.
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Congratulations on your recovery and keep up the good work! I’m glad to hear that you took the initiative to right your wrongs.
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I never shoplifted as a teen, or for “kicks”, but as a young adult I stole food and clothes.
At the time, I justified it to myself because I was in a difficult financial position, but the truth is that I could have applied for food stamps, food banks, etc…I was just too proud to do so. But not too proud to steal.
I finally decided I didn’t want to lie to myself anymore about what I was doing…so I stopped stealing. It wasn’t hard to do, once I finally admitted to myself what a lowlife I felt like when I stole.
Congrats to the author for making amends. And for those who think piracy isn’t stealing…you’re wrong. You may have convinced yourself that it’s ok, but it isn’t. I wonder how many piracy apologists have ever created something…anything… themselves and had the experience of someone else ripping it off?
Here’s a simple rule: whenever you’re in doubt about whether something is “really” stealing or not, ask yourself honestly whether the person you’re “not stealing” from would consider it stealing.
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@Tyler
If you want to be specific, there are numerous definitions of the term “stealing” in Webster’s Dictionary. The word “stealing” incorporates lots of meanings, including the following:
1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.
2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment
(Of course, there are also legal defintion in criminal codes, as well, which depends on your state, etc). You are asserting that you are not stealing because it doesn’t fit under the one of the definitions of stealing, without recognizing that the term “stealing” is more expansive than your narrowly created definition. Thus, I can “steal” simply by appropriating (using) words/song/etc without the right.
It seems as if you confine the word “stealing” to only actions which affect a person a person’s bank account, but that fails to account for future profits/income. One can steal aonther’s idea (or secret forumula or client accounts, etc) without having an immediate affect on one’s bank account, but it still affects the person’s bank account in the future. If I wanted a song, found a place where I could download a pirated copy and thus did not need to purchase it from the artist, I have affected that artiest’s bank account and have stolen financially from him, just as if I took a box of cookies. The cookie baker has already expended the funds to make the cookies, so by taking the cookies without paying for them, I haven’t actually affected his bank account either, under your scenario.
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I have a different take on the coffee shop issue. While I agree you need to make sure that your not taking up space that would otheriwse be used by a paying customer- I applaud your creativity in finding a way to pay without consuming something you dont want. When we buy things we are consuming not only our own money, but also natural resources. We also contribute to more of these resources being used to fill a market that may or may not exist (not if we dont really want it). Your solution seems honest and responsible.
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I once had a coworker who would often borrow small amounts of money from me and never pay it back. I don’t think it was simply forgetfulness. I think she had the same mentality as the writer here. She thought that the world owed her. She thought she needed the money more than me. She was always resentful of rich people.
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Excellent story from the writer, and I comment her courage and follow-through.
I do have to comment on the comments, though, about the coffee shop issue.
On web forums, I see *some* fiscally ‘conservative’ people who are anti-tax claiming that tax-supported libraries are ‘stealing’ from them by being tax-supported. (Coincidentally, despite the doctrine of first sale, it’s not unusual to see people in publishing also complain that used book sales or library circulation is also stealing from them, even if the user is not making a personal copy!) In many cases, these libertarians point out that they can buy books they need, and if they want to just hang out and read books for free, that’s what Barnes & Noble is for. However, you have to admit that if you need a place to sit down and decide which of 2 books to buy in a Barnes & Noble or Borders, it’s almost impossible because the seats are taken up those using the bookstore as a pseudo-library.
In the case of a library or a bookstore, or other place that offers free WiFi, etc. what you are doing has to do with not actual direct loss (if you weren’t there, the WiFi wouldn’t cost any more, nor is not using the library saving you money) but indirect loss, due to loss of sales or loss of services.
Anyway, that’s my pet rant.
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Great article! Good to read and inspiring some great discussion.
I think the difference between the treatment of Louisa and the people who have declared bankruptcy is a matter of degrees. In Louisa’s story, she stole items of ‘little to no’ consequence. So the appearance is that the crime was small. While people who declare bancruptcy and bail out of tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt have the appearance of ‘grand larcency’. I suspect that the actual monetary difference is small, but it’s the perception. Also, Louisa is owning up to her distorted sense of reality that the world owed her, and is changed. People who declare bankruptcy and then ‘brag’ about how they got out of debt seem to still have the sense of the world owing them fully intact. That said, bankruptcy is there to help people become better functioning members of society, on the whole I think it does more good than harm, especially form a societal standpoint.
As for Tyler and the piracy issues, currently it’s illegal to copy something you don’t have the right to. Until the laws change, and societal expectations change with them, it’s morally wrong also. For example if it were no longer illegal, artists would not have the expectation to earn money in exchange for their creation the way they have, and you wouldn’t be ‘stealing’ potential earnings. But that’s NOT the way it is. Lobby for change if you don’t like it.
A better analogy to pirating media is to say that people who pirate because ‘Rock Stars get paid too much anyway’ are like people who don’t pay taxes because they don’t think the money is spent well. Would you brag to your coworkers and relatives about not paying your taxes?
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I have a question to pose:
If we rent a video from Redbox and wish to return it the next day, but we never had time to watch it… is it okay to copy it on to our computer, watch it the next day (after we returned the rental) then erase it, not store it?
Please discuss.
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@Cely:
“I don’t have a problem with people who pirate. When I pay for movies in the theater, I have to sit through 15+ minutes of advertising. It used to be that if a movie started at 2pm, previews started at 1:50. If you paid for a movie at 2pm, it started at 2pm. Now you’re held captive to the ads, after paying more than $10 for the movie. It infuriates me and no longer feel any sympathy for the studios.”
I pay $80/month for my cable, but almost all my channels still have commercials.
What’s the difference? Does that mean it’s OK for me to steal TV shows, too?
Magazines cost money, but they still contain ads. So is it OK for me to steal magazines? Or would it only be OK if I snuck it out of the store, photocopied the whole thing, then returned the original?
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Tyler, I usually agree with you, dude, but on this issue, you’re kind of being a pretentious d-bag.
OK fine, you win, “Copyright Infringement” is a different crime than “Theft.” Is that what you wanted to hear? Are you happy now? Do you feel like the smart kid for your pedantic nitpicking over semantics? Do you have a glib little smirk on your face now? Do you feel better about yourself for being right about a definition, and pointing out to a crowd that they’re not using a word according to its technical, exact definition?
Congrats, big boy. Go make yourself a chocolate milk, you deserve it.
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@Jenne — By their thinking, my borrowing a paperback from a friend is also stealing. Ironically, when books first hit the markets they were rare and most people couldn’t afford them. Reading was a social activity — books were treasured, shared and read out loud. It’s scary to think that if some people had their way, we would all have to buy our own personal libraries and never share the contents.
I have a hard time trying to balance my budget with supporting the authors I enjoy. I’m not in a financial position to buy every book I want to read, and neither are most of my friends or family members. However, I’ve discovered a lot of great writers through the library or borrowing books from friends — and then gone on to buy their works. If I had to buy every book, I couldn’t spend more, I’d have to read less.
The issue gets quite complex. I frequent our local used bookstore and charity book sales — and that contributes to my community, unlike buying new books from a major online retailer. If I lend and borrow books from friends, that’s keeping items in circulation and helping the environment. (Would people rather they end up in the trash or recycling bin instead?)
I think it’s all a balancing act, and there are different laws and expectations for different types of media.
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