Ask the Readers: Should We Buy Our Dream House?
Published on - January 14th, 2011 (Modified on - January 15th, 2011) (by J.D. Roth) What happens when a great opportunity comes along, but you don’t quite have the resources to take advantage of it? That’s what Greg wants to know. He and his wife have found their Dream House. They think they can buy the place — but only if they’re willing to take on some short-term debt in addition to the mortgage. Greg wants to know if this is a smart move. Here’s his story:
My wife and I are in our late twenties, no kids (yet), both safely employed and living very comfortably with a combined monthly income of around $5,000 after taxes. We currently have about $28,000 in student loans, and plan to pay them all off within the year. The original amount was $37,000 six months ago, so we’ve been making quick progress with them. One loan is in deferment while my wife is in school, another requires $80 a month for the payments, and the one we are aggressively paying off has no monthly payment due until 2014 because of our extra payments. Basically, we only need $80 a month to satisfy our loans for the next two years. We have no car payments, credit card debt, or anything other than the student loans.
Everything was going as planned until two weeks ago we found a house we absolutely loved. We’ve checked it out, and aside from minor cosmetic things, its move-in ready. It’s a foreclosure with an asking price around $136,000 (houses are cheap in the Houston area!). We’d plan to stay in the area a minimum of ten years, if not longer.
Given our situation, is it wise to scramble to get the minimum amount necessary to buy this house? We hadn’t planned to begin saving up for a house for another six months. Last week, my dad offered us a monetary gift to cover the down payment. We have the ability to pay for inspections, closing costs, insurance and everything else (about $7,000 total, assuming the seller won’t cover some of these costs), but it might mean wiping out our small savings and taking on some short-term debt. We’d also have to pay about $1,600 to break our apartment lease, but at least that can be spread out over three months.
Moving so quickly without any heavy financial preparation was not how we envisioned buying a house, but we don’t want to risk losing what amounts to our Dream House. Since it only recently came on the market, we don’t know if it will be something we can wait on or not.
Being the committed debt-haters that we are, the minor (non-mortgage) debts we’d have to incur to buy the house hopefully wouldn’t last very long anyway. Worst case scenario puts our monthly house/tax/insurance payments well within the range of affordability for us too. Our current loans would go on hold for maybe six months while the minor debt is paid off, then proceed at a slower pace due to the $1200 a month we’d be paying for housing instead of the the $600 we currently pay.
If you were in my position, what would you do? Jump on the chance for a Dream House? Or take a more financially conservative approach and risk losing out on it? Any and all opinions would be much appreciated!
This is a tough call. Folks like Dave Ramsey would say, “Don’t do it.” Ramsey would argue that Greg and his wife should first repay all of their student loan debt and then save enough for a substantial down payment. (Or even enough to pay for the house in cash.)
I’m not nearly that prescriptive. Absolutely, the prudent financial choice is to wait. Dream Homes are problematic — dreams change, and Dream Homes are often more common than buyers believe. Plus, when you have to scrape money together to buy a house, you leave yourself vulnerable to unexpected disasters. By exercising deferred gratification, Greg and his wife could reduce their debt and/or build enough savings to make a substantial down payment.
That said, personal finance is as much about emotions as it is about money. And heaven knows, Kris and I have made a pair of impulse home-buying decisions:
- In 1994, we bought our first home. We didn’t really have a reason for buying a house; it just seemed like the adult thing to do. A mortgage broker crunched the numbers, told us what we could afford, and we started shopping. We didn’t shop for long. Within a week, we’d found a house we liked. Two days later, we’d made an offer and had it accepted. Looking back, we rushed things, but it turned out okay because we bought less home than we could afford.
- In 2004, Kris and I bought our Dream House. We hadn’t intended to move, but when one of Kris’ co-workers brought in a sale flyer for an old farmhouse, we acted quickly. Within 48 hours, we’d made an offer (and had it accepted). In retrospect, this was a poor financial decision. On paper, we could afford the place, but in reality, my debt-load made things tough. If I could give my younger self advice, I’d say, “Don’t do it!” Things have worked out for us, but they could easily have turned sour.
If Greg and his wife are willing to unwilling to pass up this opportunity, they should at least take steps to mitigate the possibility that things will go wrong.
- Take out a small mortgage with a low interest rate. Banks will grant mortgages with housing-expense ratios of 33%. That is, they’ll let borrowers spend up to 33% of their gross (pre-tax) income on housing, including taxes and insurance. But what’s good for the bank isn’t necessarily good for you. Greg and his wife can make things easier by trying to keep their monthly expenses below 25% of their gross income.
- Make debt reduction a priority. If they buy this house, Greg and his wife have to be willing to make some short-term sacrifices: cheap vacations, a reduced restaurant budget, and so on. They have to give up a lot of the little everyday pleasures in order to attack their non-mortgage debt. All purchases require trade-offs, and big purchases require big trade-offs.
- Build a big emergency fund — ASAP. Speaking from experience, owning a home is expensive. One rule of thumb is that it costs 1% of the home’s value every year for maintenance and repair. This seems accurate to me. Greg and his wife should work hard to create a home repair fund, one that’s separate from their everyday emergency fund.
What do you think? Should Greg and his wife jump at the chance to buy their Dream Home? Even if doing so means carrying more debt than they’d planned for a few years? Or should they wait until they know they’re financially prepared? Share your personal experience so Greg and his wife can make an informed decision!
Update: This has been a great discussion. Thanks for contributing. Here’s a response from Greg, answering many common questions. (And here’s another.)
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I am also a Dave Ramsey advocate, and often write about his teachings on my website, but I do not necessarily agree with everything he says.
Dave would say that you need to be debt free before taking on that home mortgage (if you can’t pay for the home in cash that is), and I actually agree with him here.
My wife and I are currently paying down our debt and have decided to be debt-free before purchasing a house. There are just so many unexpected expenses that come with a house, it is best to be prepared with some extra cashflow.
Dream houses come and go – really, it’s just a box to put all your stuff in…
J.D.’s note: Alert: You’re bugging other GRS readers by plugging your blog all the time. I haven’t noticed (probably because you don’t include links to it, which I would just delete), but others have, and it makes them cranky. Just FYI.
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I would say follow JDs tips and buy the dream house if you are sure it’s really your dream home. Do make sure you get a home inspection! Also keep in mind houses frequently have pricey repairs so an emergency fund would be key.
I speak from experience as 8 years ago my husband and I bought our dream home. We live in Florida with many houses being block cookie cutters with no character, well in our price range. One day our realitor sent us a picture of this cute little cottage house with a huge porch. It was love before we even toured the house.
Our dream home was built about 4 feet off the ground to allow good ventilation and access to pluming and such- common in a Florida cracker home. We where the third set of owners with the first owners actually having build most of the home by hand. They even had pine trees on the property
made into flooring for the entire house. 8 years late we still love our dream
home.
But I do understand how one could think a home is there dream home. About 3 years ago someone told my husband about this home close to his work. It was a 5000sq foot home with 4 bedroom, formal dinning room, gourmet kitchen, greatroom, den, a huge pool on 3 acres. It was move in ready and just gorgous! We came do close to buying this new dream home, being caught up in the moment. We would have been able to afford the mortgage but it would have drained us and our savings. Luckly we really looked at what the new house would mean – higher cost of everything from furntiure to heat, and even more time cleaning and maintaining the home. We canceled our offer. We still feel we have our dream home, all 700 sq feet of it!
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A young couple with a relatively small combined income (that could quickly go to a single very small income if they are fertile) is asking whether it is prudent to borrow money (short term debt) so that they can borrow more money (long term mortgage) to buy a shelter that would cost them double what they are currently paying for shelter. And they have unsecured student loans and would have no emergency fund after closing on said “dream shelter”. Hope I read all this correctly.
My question: Are you kidding me?
J.D., how is this a tough call and how can you not scream “Don’t do it!”? This flies in the face of everything your wonderful site has tried to do for the past several years. Dream homes are a dime a dozen, but financial security and being able to sleep at night knowing you have not went into debt to support a future that you know absolutely nothing about is worth its weight in gold. Even if this is a “once in a lifetime opportunity”, which it is not, this young couple is setting a precedent of spending before acquiring to meet an emotional need. I know because I am the king of emotional spending and the master of all stupid financial decisions. Just ask my wife. That is why this is so ridiculously obvious to me, I have done it more times than I care to admit and have severely paid the price.
They could do this and come out smelling like roses or you-know-what. Hard to say. But with all kindness and respect I really hope they will reconsider. This advice comes from having 40 years (and six mortgages) of a painful financial education. God bless.
JD, forgive me if this sounds rude, but is it appropriate for the first poster from LifeAndMyFinances to plug his site every day in your comment section?
J.D.’s note: I’m not willing to shout, “Don’t do it!” for a few reasons. First, I feel like there’s some nuance here that we’re missing, which may make this work out. Second, Kris and I have done this twice in the past and it’s worked. Third, I don’t think there are any absolute rules in personal finance. Having said that, though, I agree that it probably does make sense to wait. If I were doing this again and were in their position, I’d probably pass on this chance.
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“Dream Home?” Never understood the concept.
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P.S. And ask your dad to put that down payment gift money in a savings account for you so that when you are debt free, have a solid 6 month emergency fund, and know you can survive on a single income and still cover all expenses, you will then be able to buy your dream home. Best of luck to you both.
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I think pushing to purchase here is a poor choice. I am not of the belief that you should have everything paid off before you take on the mortgage, however the “short term debt” is a concern. This likely mean credit card debt and I don’t think it is wise to finance any portion of your home purchase this way.
You might decide to throttle your existing loan payments ia bit and start putting a portion of that into a “house fund”. This way if the opportunity arises again you will have the chance to take action.
One final note, life takes unexpected turns and you’re still quite young. You may believe you want to live in your area for the next 10 years, but any number of things might change that in the future. You should consider the worst case scenarios before you take a big leap like this.
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I think the dream house is a distraction that might come with its own challenges. The deal seems good on paper but may have alot of unforseen charges that may overwhelm them and drag them into more debts. Since this was not in their original plan, I’ll advise they clear the college loan before embarking on another project.
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Don’t do it. You’re letting your emotions persuade you into something that could very well break you. If you have to go into debt just to go further into debt, you’re probably not even considering all the little things or emergencies that could pop up with the purchase of a house. And to top it all off, you’re going to throw away $1600 to break your current lease. The whole thing smells like a mistake. Another “Dream Home” will come along.
Also, I agree with Craig (#3); LifeAndMyFinances, please stop plugging your site on the first comment of every GRS post. By doing so already, you’ve pretty much guaranteed I’ll never visit. I don’t even read your comments anymore.
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I’m with Kris.
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GO FOR IT!
They make $5,000 AFTER TAX. If they can borrow 30k from the parent to make the down payment, they won’t have to pay mortgage insurance.
Get a 30 years mortgage for around 110k (account for closing cost) and they will pay around $525 a month.
How much are you paying for rent now? It can’t be much less than this.
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Find someone to take over your lease. Try craigslist or other advertising avenue.
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They couldn’t really afford it but decided to take out a loan to cover the shortfall on the understanding that it would be their “forever house” and buying that rather than a cheaper “for now house” would save them in legal costs etc in the long run.
Just after they bought it, she got pregnant – with twins. They were delighted but suddenly their “forever house” criteria had changed, their income has dropped considerably for a couple of years and their expenditures multiplied.
My point is that over the next few years, like me, like my friend, Greg and his wife are at the time of their lives where their “dream house” criteria might change soon. They might have planned for that but they might not.
I’d be wary about getting into non-mortgage debt on an impulse at this point.
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No, no, absolutely not. This is essentially an impulse purchase. It’s not something you were planning to purchase, it’s just a pretty house that came along and started playing with your emotions. You said that this isn’t how you envisioned buying a house, and you should stick to that plan. Don’t worry, another dream house will come along when you’re in the right place financially to purchase one.
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I’m leaning towards a Dave Ramsey answer here honestly. You have so much current debt, that it just doesn’t make sense to me to take on another massive pile. It’s especially dicey if you don’t have the cash on-hand for a down payment right now. That implies that you don’t have the cash reserves to handle an emergency like major repairs. It also makes things iffy if one of you loses your job.
Another bit to consider is, what happens in 2014 when your student loans have to be paid at a higher rate again? Add that to your monthly mortgage payments and look at how that will affect your cash flow. It may be 3 years away, but that’ll come sooner than you think.
My wife and I are in a position where we’ll be looking for a home in the near future. However, before we walk into a single house, we’re making sure we have the down payment in-hand, along with a house repair fund AND a personal emergency fund to hedge against job loss, car explosion etc.
I would urge you to wait. There will be other houses, and you’ll be in a much stronger position to weather any storms that may come.
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My wife and I are also looking at to be honest the whole thing terrifies me. The only kind of debt we have is student loan debt, but there is a ton of it. The tough thing is, when your married, there are two opinions, as to these things and they are not always as uniform as we would like.
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About a year ago, a home came on the market near us that is essentially our home (a 1920s brick bungalow) but almost twice a big with an extra bedroom, two more bathrooms and a big extension on the back. When it started, it was around $50,000 more than our current home, which was still a good deal. In many respects it was our dream home for our family of four (three at the time), but we weren’t ready to move. So we watched as our dream home later dropped in price, became a short sale and eventually a foreclosure. Many times when I drove past it, I felt the urge to just make an offer and quickly try to sell our house, but I knew deep down we couldn’t really afford it even if it was perfect for our growing family.
We found out later that the couple (lucky bastards!) who bought it in foreclosure paid the same price for that home that we paid for ours in 2007. It’s still hard, but ultimately we had to realize that it was our emotions that were making us feel it was our dream home. In reality, such a 1920s brick home is a dime a dozen in this city.
I think already having a mortgage stopped us from making a rash decision. It is obviously much harder to buy when you have to sell. In your case, though, I still think you should wait. You’ll be surprised how much the little things add up when you first buy a home. You will end up spending hundreds, maybe even thousands, on paint, tools, ladders, trash cans, etc. – all those things that a renter usually doesn’t have to worry about. The reality is – you’re not ready yet, and unless this home is the only home of its kind, wait and buy your dream home later. Like us, you might end up paying more for your dream home, but it will still end up being a better deal if you have your financial ducks in a row.
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Particularly with a foreclosure, I would suggest having a sufficient emergency fund…say $10k. My fiance and I purchased our first home together about 6 months ago and it was a foreclosure….and while everything seemed to be great in the inspection…we ended up needing to replace the whole hvac system ($6k) and having to pay for bed bug extermination ($2500k). When you own a home the unforseen comes up, and with a foreclosure…you really just never know. We do not regret our decision though as we did purchase it at about a $40k discount to market value and we had sufficient funds available for such problems.
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Stable jobs – check
Low debt load (sans student loans) – check
Mortgage < 25% of gross income – check
Foreclosure – check
My guess is that something important that Greg left out is that the house can be purchased for less than it's worth, making this potentially a very solid long term investment.
JD- Another question that you missed is about the age of the house. If this is a new home, repair costs are likely (not guaranteed) to be lower than an older home. If Greg and his wife are young, with minimal debt and stable incomes, a new home is much less of a risk.
My wife and I just went through this in 2008. Found our dream home (a foreclosure), weren’t planning to buy, but were in a good position financially. We went for it and don’t regret it looking back.
The key is that once you get in the house YOU MUST NOT FOCUS ON FILLING IT WITH STUFF. Create an aggressive budget to pay down those loans. We still have rooms in our house with no furniture in them, but we say, “Who cares!”.
J.D.’s note: Pat, I really like your point there at the end. When people buy a home, they often spend a small fortune to fill it with stuff — furniture, decorations, and so on. If Greg and his wife do buy this house, they need to avoid this trap — just live with what they have (or thrift-store furniture) — until they’ve stabilized financially.
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I agree with retirebyforty.. its doable and some belt tightening mentioned by JD will need to be done.
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You’re in Houston? There will be OTHER DREAM HOUSES. Wait.
I know someone in Houston who was in this exact situation. Not only was the house she wanted still on the market at a lower price when she had enough money, but she found one she liked BETTER.
She actually made the offer she could afford at the time, and it was rejected. By the time she had enough money, the realtor on the house had called her realtor and asked if she would be willing to submit the initial offer again. But she wasn’t because she’d found a gorgeous place she preferred in a better neighborhood.
Seriously, don’t do it. It seems like a dream house right now but it really isn’t. Houston is a big town with a lot of inexpensive dream houses.
I also know someone in a similar situation in Durham, NC. They actually ended up breaking their contract for various reasons and were heart broken… but in the end they found a place that was less expensive that they liked better too. (They also got their downpayment from borrowing from family and are really regretting it as housing values have plunged.)
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no way. no one is really ever prepared when they buy their first home — it’s not just the p&i and taxes, and insurance, but what about the other incidental expenses that come with owning a home? your utility bills go up, you have maintenance costs, hoa fees, unexpected repairs that you are on the hook for. these guys already know they can’t afford it to begin with. when we purchased our first home, we thought we could afford it, and were surprised by all the other costs.
another thing, when we bought our first house 10 years ago — about 3 weeks after my wife and i drained our savings and put basically everything we had into our down payment, we were both out of work.
bottom line, you can run across your dream house, your dream car, your dream xyz, etc. all the time. what happens if they run into the next dream thing the minute after they buy this house? it’s a slippery slope.
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Hard to say. While I understand wanting to take advantage of a dream home, this could be a nightmare if anything changes. What happens if one of them loses their job? Or they’re soon expecting a child? What happens when interest rates finally go up again? Or property taxes?What if there’s a major problem that the inspector misses (as has happened to more than one person I know)? Will they be able to resist buying stuff for their new home — like decor and furniture — while they build up an emergency fund and pay down student debt?
If they can deal with these questions, more power to them
I didn’t buy my “dream home” (a condo) last year because it would have been a financial stretch. This is my low risk tolerance speaking, but staying financially secure is my real dream. There will always be more condos.
Just my two cents!
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If the house cost 300k, I would be screaming ‘don’t do it’. But 136,000 is reasonable. They are obviously financially responsible people. Our homes have all kind of found us and things have worked out great.
If I put in an offer, I would ask the sellers to cover some closing costs. That way they won’t wear down the emergency fund as much.
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There is so much more cost to owning a home besides a mortgage payment. Does the house have a yard? Prepare to buy a lawnmower – and soon. And all the other things that go with maintaining a yard. All those necessities add up to big $$$. Think about furnishings. Window coverings will need to be purchased ASAP. All those necessities add up to big $$$. Wait until you can afford it. You are in your 20′s and there will be many more dream houses.
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Another thing that you may not have looked at is the true monthly cost of home ownership. Honestly, until this morning as I ran around trying to crunch some numbers from your story, I hadn’t put together all of the bits myself.
It’s not just the base mortgage payment that you have to consider. Property taxes and homeowners insurance have a huge impact as well.
As an example, there’s a home in my area selling for about $116,000. With current 30yr fixed rates around 5%, that would mean with a 20% down payment, my monthly mortgage payment would be about $490 a month. Awesome right? I mean that’s about $200 per month less than my rent right now.
But you forgot about property taxes. On that $116k home, last year’s property taxes were $2878. That’s another $240 per month.
Then there’s insurance. I don’t know what exact rates are in all areas, but most calculators estimate $1,000 – $1,500/year for that. So tack on probably another $125/mo.
All of a sudden that $490/mo home jumped to $855/month with minimum mortgage payments for 30 years. At the end of it, I’m paying a good chunk more every year for the home over renting (I know there are tax benefits etc, but I’m talking about money I have to pay out at some point or another).
Now, I’m sure some will say “But you don’t have to pay taxes on a monthly basis!” and you’re right. But you have to come up with that money at some point, so the end-of-year effect is the same. Placing it in the context of monthly costs just makes it easier to compare to renting and puts all the costs in front of you (many would conveniently forget the tax bill until the end of the year).
Add to that your minimum $80 student loan payment, then whatever you’ll also owe on the short-term loan to secure the down payment, and factor in that $1600 lease breaking fee and you will have a lot of debt obligations over the next few years to take care of. $5,000 a month may seem like a lot of money, but when you have enough bills demanding a piece of it, it goes away very fast.
I’m not trying to rain on your parade here. It may be an amazing home and you could live in it happily for many years. I just feel it’s worth talking about the true cost of the home and not bite off more than you can chew.
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I live in the Houston area too and can vouch for the fact that a ton of awesome homes are on fire sales right now. I personally am leaning towards suggesting that they hold off since “dream homes” will be around no matter when they can afford to buy, but I will admit that my husband and I bought our place as a foreclosure in Houston in 2007 for $114,000 despite the fact we were only left with about $5000 in savings for emergencies. We got lucky. He could get lucky. But is the “dream home” worth the stress?
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I also have to echo Kris’ point, but with an emphasis on the fact that most “dream houses” really aren’t unique.
After looking for a year and missing out on a bunch of houses that each seemed like they were “the one”, my wife and I are now in the process of buying a house that is significantly better (bigger, better condition, and better located) than each of our previous “dream houses”. As it turns out, we weren’t missing out at all, because there was a better house that just hadn’t come on the market yet.
The housing market is so lousy right now that most potential sellers are waiting to sell until they absolutely have to. This means that even if a house is better than all the ones currently on the market, that doesn’t make it better than the ones that will be on the market within the next year or two.
With love, I can understand believing in “the one” and doing crazy things to make sure you end up with the person of your dreams. With a house, though, I still say there’s a lot of fish in the sea.
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I’m with Pat, above. I don’t even see, with the info given, why they even need to worry about short-term debt. As someone else mentioned, see if they can sublet the apartment, or, if it’s not much more, keep the apartment until the lease runs out and use the time to do any work to the house, moving stuff over bit by bit (save on movers!). Since it’s a foreclosure, MAKE SURE everything looks good. Get it inspected, ask a friend who has handyman experience to look, use the internet to learn how to check things yourself, etc.
But before any of this, mkae sure you can get a decent mortgage. Low interest, fixed, with little or no closing costs. You need as much for that downpayment as you can. Get a quote on the homeowners with your car insurance company. Take all of these figures and create a new budget, factoring in the $80 for your student loans. See how much you’ll have leftover, and if you are comfortable with that number for the amount you’ll be saving (it should be at least 15%) then why not go for it? Try getting the price down too.
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Why is Greg even looking at homes? If it’s not in his plan, why is he looking? It’s easy to get excited about something like this, but one has to pull back and see it’s not neccessarily the best decision.
1) Stick to your plan. Plans were made for a purpose.
2) Don’t deplete your emergency fund/savings. You never know what life is going to throw you. Medical issues, job, loss, emergencies…
3) Looks like this recession is going to be around for a while. There will be good deals on homes after your debt is paid off. Trust me, there will be a home you like even better than this one.
4) Homes cost money, money, money. I have been a homeowner for 12 years. Here are some of the things that have cost us: storm damage,500.00, Natural gas leak in our home 1500.00, sewer line clogged 450.00 (had to be reutered several times), furnace broken 250.00, pipe leaks, 230.00, water heater died, 350.00…plus more. Yes, our house was “move in ready”. But stuff breaks. Don’t count on homeowner’s insurance to pay. My mom had a flood in her basement during a storm. It cost 700.00 for cleanup. Insurance didn’t cover it.
Not to mention, you will need a lawnmower, yard tools, weed wacker, tools, ladder, yard chemicals to keep the weeds from taking over…
Plus there are things that will just plain wear out and need to be replaced, like appliances, roof, fooring, furnace…
5) It might be nice house, but will you be able to rest well in it, worrying about finances?
I’m not against buying a home, but wait a year or two until the debt is paid. Peace of mind is sometimes worth more than real estate!
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I would put some earnest money down and have it inspected to see if this is in fact a “dream home.” I wish they said something about how much homes are valued at in the neighborhood. $136K seems awfully cheap for a “dream home.” This seems more like an impulse decision rather than something well thought through.
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So it sounds like they are not really thinking through their financial future at all. This is evident not only in the decisions they have made so far but in the way the case is presented. Finance is math heavy and there are many missing numbers in the data they provided. It’s time to step back and do some actual financial planning instead of just using mental shortcuts guided by whims along the way.
They are at a time in their lives that working capital is at premium and they are paying off likely (no details on student loans) low interest government subsidized loans with valuable working capital. Let’s say the student loans are at 4% and they’re in a 15% marginal tax bracket. That means realized interest rate is about 3.4%. They have paid off an additional $9,000 in student loans instead of building a cash cushion like they should have. They could have put the money in a bank account earning about 1.3%. This means the true cost of having the flexibility to make this move would have been about 2.1% per year or 1.05% during the 6 month window of time we’re talking about. So by paying off student loans aggressively (and following Dave Ramsey’s bad advice in this case) they have managed to save about $94.50 and in doing so have potentially lost out on the ability to afford their dream home. To make up for their lack of planning they are now thinking about taking on what I can only guess is a signature or credit card loan to make up for the shortfall. This would mean they have paid off a loan effectivly charging 3.4% after the tax write off for a loan charging 8-16%. They don’t mention how much short term debt they are taking on but assuming they take on $9,000 in short term debt at 8% they will have cost themselves the $94.50 that they have saved by early loan repayment within the first three months of the new loan (8% they are paying – 3.4% they would have paid = 4.6% additional interest they would not have had to pay = $103.5 in additional expenses over 3 months). Let’s no try to fix a mistake with another mistake.
For the time being and without all the info it’s probably best to reduce the payments to the student loans to the minimum in order to build up flexibility and choices. Cross your fingers and hope that house prices go down while interest rates rise and no one buys the house for the next 6 months to year while you build up the cash to afford the house of your dreams. I know it feels good to pay off your debt but think through the next 5 years, do the math, and make the right decision instead of the easy feel good decision. Debt is a tool and if your not going to learn how to properly use the tool you’re well off listening to Dave Ramsey but the best of all worlds is to take the time to do the math and understand your finances planning ahead at all times. At worst it may lead you to the same actions but it may lead you somewhere better. I have heard Dave Ramsey give advice that was obviously wrong would be illegal if any government body categorized him as a financial professional, unfortunately none do (he’s an entertainer and can get away with anything with no personal liability for lives ruined). He simply does not completely understand what he is talking about and doesn’t care to learn. It’s time to think through your financial life instead of closing your eyes and following whoever is speaking the loudest in the void.
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I agree with everything Craig (#3) said, even right down to calling out the comment-spammer.
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I have a couple of questions. How much of a downpayment will you have? Will you be paying PMI? Is the Houston market still going down? If you lived in my area (Philly), I’d tell you to wait, because the market is still dropping.
Also, the biggest one – How handy are you? My husband and I do nearly all of our own repairs, although now that we’re more comfortable financially we do pay someone to mow our lawn. And if you are handy, can you easily borrow tools? Our initial mortgage plus escrow was actually a few dollars less than our rent, but we needed to buy A LOT of tools to get us to the point we’re at now where home home maintenance is almost a non existent budget item.
Finally, dream house? Count me among those who think they’re fairly easy to come by.
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@MikeTheRed and @aggressive_saver said what was on my mind. When we bought our house, we ran numbers and were confident that we could afford a $225K house. The home we ended up purchasing was only $160K. Even buying that much lower than our initial budget, we were stretched ridiculously thin by all sorts of expenses we were not expecting, having rented apartments for our entire adult lives. Given how tight our finances have been at $160K, I shudder to think what would have happened if we’d gone for a $225K home.
Just this past year, we were sorely tempted by a “dream home” that was on the market at a really good price. We knew the owners quite well, so they were willing to cut us an even better deal if we wanted it. After a lot of discussions and number crunching, both my husband and I realized that in this economy, we didn’t want to be stretched that thin. The house has since sold, and we are now finding out that the home had a few “quirks” that would have made us regret rushing into purchasing it. Nothing that would have been a deal-breaker per se, but stuff that would have been frustrating to come across after thinking we were getting a “dream” place.
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On the other hand, it sounds like Houston is saturated with houses (from the other commenters), so it’s unlikely that you won’t find another dream home next week or next month.
I’d like to refer to the first guest post I did on this blog – 11 tips for first time home buyers.
http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2008/07/09/11-tips-for-first-time-homebuyers/
“Don’t fall in love with a house”.
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Personally, I am in the exact situation and I am going for it. I am with Kris though, make sure it is truly your “Dream Home” and a once in a life time opportunity. I am buying my grandmothers home that my grandfather built with is own hands. It is out in the country and only place I can call home. My grandmother decided a few months ago that it was time to sell it and I jumped at the opportunity. Since my husband and I are literally in our late 20′s, renting a apartment, make 5k a months, with 20k in student loan debt, I have been doing nothing but saving since I found out and I am very excited. Many people are commenting that another “Dream Home” will come along or they just don’t exsist. In my case they do and it could be the same for others. I will never find another home built by my grandfather that means so much to me and in Gregs case maybe he will never find another home that is a old firestation or a castle with a 20′ dragon out front or whatever is his dream.
If you have truly found your dream home, go for it. If it is just a 4 Bedroom ranch, with a two car garage, big kitchen, and a pool you need to wait you will find one again.
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My aunt and uncle live in the Houston area. As I understand it, there are some unique characteristics to the Houston real estate market because the State of Texas does not collect income tax. Houses might be cheap, but if you want to live in an area with good public schools, but burden of financing those schools falls entirely on local property taxes. I believe my aunt and uncle’s house is valued somewhere around $350k/450k. They live in the best school district in Houston, and their annual property taxes are something like $25,000 per year. If you live in a worse school district, your taxes will be lower. But when it comes to selling your home (location, location, location), there may be some difficulty.
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As some other posters have said, “dream home” is subjective. I’d like to hear what makes this home a dream home to Greg and his wife.
My husband and I did something similar to Greg this fall. We were planning on buying a house in 2011 or 2012, but started casually looking due to the falling housing prices and interest rates. We found a home that was the worst home in a great neighborhood/school district, and had enough space that we wouldn’t feel like it was too small even if we added a few kids to our family. We also are very tied to our geographic area both personally and professionally and could actually see ourselves staying in the house for the life of the loan.
So for us, it made sense to stretch our dollars and temporarily stop paying off some other debt to buy our house ahead of schedule. Over the long run we will save a lot of money in interest (and hopefully more if we can eventually accelerate payments on that debt). But there were a lot of circumstances that had to come together for that to be a risk worth taking for us.
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I think house fever is dangerous and dream houses come and go. Everything looks good on paper, but what happens when they buy the home, move in and one of them gets very ill, laid-off, etc.? Sorry, but I just think buying this home would be impulsive and short-sighted.
What if it “truly” is one-of-a-kind? Well, I hate cookie cutter homes as much as Kris clearly does, but it might also be a good idea to consider how easy/difficult it would be to sell, should the need arise. I would dig living in a converted fire station or a dome-home in a sea of cookie cutter condo buildings, but would the next round of buyers be so keen? I’m not saying I want to buy something purely based on the taste of the larger market, but it is a factor to consider.
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Do it!
It’s better to regret something you did, than something you didn’t do.
edit: It’s only money, you’ll make more!
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Don’t do it.
Dream houses will keep coming up. There will be better dream houses coming down the road.
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The monthly note will definitely be more than they are anticipating. If you are taking out a loan, most mortgage companies will require you to pay into an escrow account for taxes and insurance (which as previously stated are high because they fund education). Additionally, it would be wise to have flood insurance if you are living in an area that has seen its fair share of hurricanes – although it should be inexpensive, it’s another expense.
The bottom line is, you can do it, but you must go in with your eyes wide open and realize that owning your dream home may delay other goals that you have set for yourself. If the sacrifices are worth it to you after thinking all that through, go for it.
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definitely wait, that he’s even asking GRS suggests Greg has doubts, I agree with Nicole, there will be other dream houses.
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Given the figured above, they clearly have their finances in order to be able to pay for the house. They have an extra $1400 a month to pay ahead on the loans, so they should be able to cover an additional $600 a month housing increase plus have plenty left to rebuild some savings.
My only cautions on the house would be:
1. Look at other houses, too. Even if this is your “dream house” look at a whole bunch of others. You can learn a lot this way rather than falling in love with the first house you see.
2. Make sure that the house can accomodate your future needs. If you want lots of kids, don’t buy a 2 bedroom cottage with no yard, etc.
I guess my philosophy on buying houses is like having kids – you are never going to be 100% truly prepared, but you can be in a better or worse situation going in. Greg and his wife are in a good situation to buy a house. Sure he could be in a better position, but he’s not in a bad position. I’d also hazard an assumption that if he’s that debt averse that he’s paying down those student loans so rapidly, that he’s probably well aware that there are additional expenses to homeownership and that he’s probably not going to overextend himself on the mortgage.
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No additional advice to offer, but I’m curious to know if there are follow ups to ask the reader posts? I’m interested to know what they decide to do and why.
J.D.’s note: There’s no regular follow-up feature, though maybe there should be. Once in a while, a reader will write in to share what happened, but not often. Maybe I should create a calendar to e-mail people after they ask questions!
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Ha! This sounds like my husband and I 7 years ago. No kids, two secure jobs, quickly paying down small debt. We decided to buy a home.
Here’s how it played out: We found out we were pregnant the day we moved in, the house ended up needing repairs (more expensive then expected), when the baby came we had a beautiful bundle of joy, whom also happened to have special needs. I ended up leaving my job to care for him.
All this and we still had the debt, plus more expense, plus now we were down to one income. Things happen. Some we are in control of and some not. I think since you are on the fast track to paying off your loan, do it. Create a cushion. I also think that since you are asking for advice you may have doubts, don’t dismiss them and don’t hurry.
Good luck with what ever you decide
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Simple answer –
Buy the house. Consider the following however:
Compared to rent in your area, will the payment be acceptable? No matter what the situation is, get a 30-year fixed mortgage. Rates couldn’t be much lower than they are now & any adjustable mortgage will surely trend upwards in the future.
Your debt-to-income will still be very low. With the possibility of kids, aim for less than 50% take home pay to be committed to debts and other obligations (cable, paper, phones, internet, etc).
A 30 year mortgage will keep your debt under control & predictable. No more rent increases (though taxes will go up)
Instead of a documented gift (which complicates the mortgage process, and has strict limits on where the gift is from and how much it’s for), consider a 97% FHA loan. Mortgage insurance will be required, but it’s now tax deductible.
Now – the closing costs. If this is bank owned and there are other offers, just go with your agent’s advice (you do have a real estate agent right?) I would bet that if there are items in need of repair, which is likely on a foreclosure, you could negotiate the bank to cover some closing costs to free your cash for repairs. You cant lose anything by asking. So, ask, ask for everything; closing costs, rate-reductions, closing cost reductions from the title company… anything they can charge for.
Compared to the rest of the country, $140k is dirt cheap. You’ll still be far ahead of like couples in more expensive areas of the US. The cheapest housing available period in my area is ‘studio’ apartments 30 miles out of DC for $1k/month.
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I’m probably not the best to be chipping in my 2 cents, seeing as how I’m far from Getting Rich Slowly. My husband and I are in a similar situation, 5K take home monthly payment, but we are in Northern Virginia where our dream house (modest townhomes) are 400k, not 136k. I would lead with my emotions and just dive right in if we had a the chance to get a home for $136k. Debt or no debt. That is a steal.
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I would not do it. This is why:
1. There is no such thing as a stable job. Job situations can change in an instant. I have experienced this twice, first hand, in the past 3 years.
2. I have owned two homes: one brand new, and one that is now about 37 years old. Both were maintenance nightmares. Just because a house is new, does not mean you don’t have expenses for stuff that went wrong and the builder either won’t cover, or fights tooth and nail to get out of his responsibility. My current house maintenance fund is $200 per month, and I struggle keeping that fund positive.
Be debt free when you buy your house. Save the 20 percent down payment on your own – you will feel much better about yourselves, and not only that, dad would be proud of you, most likely….
I read something lately that struck me on another site, and it is this (in relation to those that are building wealth, and those who are not):
“Whether innately or as the result of study, those on their way to wealth know the difference between income and principal. You not understanding this distinction offers the real prospect of your being more or less poor all your life.”
Think about it, but the choice is yours….
I would also think about the prospect of house prices falling even more in the next year….
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You also have to think about these things – what will you need to maintain your home? Things like: ladder (to access the roof/clean the gutters), rake, shovel, lawn mower , etc.
Can you get these at a good price used or can you borrow from your parents or a friend?
Will you be able to save for unexpected expsenes? What happens if in a year the stove needs repair/replacing?
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