Ask the Readers: Should We Buy Our Dream House?
Published on - January 14th, 2011 (Modified on - January 15th, 2011) (by J.D. Roth) What happens when a great opportunity comes along, but you don’t quite have the resources to take advantage of it? That’s what Greg wants to know. He and his wife have found their Dream House. They think they can buy the place — but only if they’re willing to take on some short-term debt in addition to the mortgage. Greg wants to know if this is a smart move. Here’s his story:
My wife and I are in our late twenties, no kids (yet), both safely employed and living very comfortably with a combined monthly income of around $5,000 after taxes. We currently have about $28,000 in student loans, and plan to pay them all off within the year. The original amount was $37,000 six months ago, so we’ve been making quick progress with them. One loan is in deferment while my wife is in school, another requires $80 a month for the payments, and the one we are aggressively paying off has no monthly payment due until 2014 because of our extra payments. Basically, we only need $80 a month to satisfy our loans for the next two years. We have no car payments, credit card debt, or anything other than the student loans.
Everything was going as planned until two weeks ago we found a house we absolutely loved. We’ve checked it out, and aside from minor cosmetic things, its move-in ready. It’s a foreclosure with an asking price around $136,000 (houses are cheap in the Houston area!). We’d plan to stay in the area a minimum of ten years, if not longer.
Given our situation, is it wise to scramble to get the minimum amount necessary to buy this house? We hadn’t planned to begin saving up for a house for another six months. Last week, my dad offered us a monetary gift to cover the down payment. We have the ability to pay for inspections, closing costs, insurance and everything else (about $7,000 total, assuming the seller won’t cover some of these costs), but it might mean wiping out our small savings and taking on some short-term debt. We’d also have to pay about $1,600 to break our apartment lease, but at least that can be spread out over three months.
Moving so quickly without any heavy financial preparation was not how we envisioned buying a house, but we don’t want to risk losing what amounts to our Dream House. Since it only recently came on the market, we don’t know if it will be something we can wait on or not.
Being the committed debt-haters that we are, the minor (non-mortgage) debts we’d have to incur to buy the house hopefully wouldn’t last very long anyway. Worst case scenario puts our monthly house/tax/insurance payments well within the range of affordability for us too. Our current loans would go on hold for maybe six months while the minor debt is paid off, then proceed at a slower pace due to the $1200 a month we’d be paying for housing instead of the the $600 we currently pay.
If you were in my position, what would you do? Jump on the chance for a Dream House? Or take a more financially conservative approach and risk losing out on it? Any and all opinions would be much appreciated!
This is a tough call. Folks like Dave Ramsey would say, “Don’t do it.” Ramsey would argue that Greg and his wife should first repay all of their student loan debt and then save enough for a substantial down payment. (Or even enough to pay for the house in cash.)
I’m not nearly that prescriptive. Absolutely, the prudent financial choice is to wait. Dream Homes are problematic — dreams change, and Dream Homes are often more common than buyers believe. Plus, when you have to scrape money together to buy a house, you leave yourself vulnerable to unexpected disasters. By exercising deferred gratification, Greg and his wife could reduce their debt and/or build enough savings to make a substantial down payment.
That said, personal finance is as much about emotions as it is about money. And heaven knows, Kris and I have made a pair of impulse home-buying decisions:
- In 1994, we bought our first home. We didn’t really have a reason for buying a house; it just seemed like the adult thing to do. A mortgage broker crunched the numbers, told us what we could afford, and we started shopping. We didn’t shop for long. Within a week, we’d found a house we liked. Two days later, we’d made an offer and had it accepted. Looking back, we rushed things, but it turned out okay because we bought less home than we could afford.
- In 2004, Kris and I bought our Dream House. We hadn’t intended to move, but when one of Kris’ co-workers brought in a sale flyer for an old farmhouse, we acted quickly. Within 48 hours, we’d made an offer (and had it accepted). In retrospect, this was a poor financial decision. On paper, we could afford the place, but in reality, my debt-load made things tough. If I could give my younger self advice, I’d say, “Don’t do it!” Things have worked out for us, but they could easily have turned sour.
If Greg and his wife are willing to unwilling to pass up this opportunity, they should at least take steps to mitigate the possibility that things will go wrong.
- Take out a small mortgage with a low interest rate. Banks will grant mortgages with housing-expense ratios of 33%. That is, they’ll let borrowers spend up to 33% of their gross (pre-tax) income on housing, including taxes and insurance. But what’s good for the bank isn’t necessarily good for you. Greg and his wife can make things easier by trying to keep their monthly expenses below 25% of their gross income.
- Make debt reduction a priority. If they buy this house, Greg and his wife have to be willing to make some short-term sacrifices: cheap vacations, a reduced restaurant budget, and so on. They have to give up a lot of the little everyday pleasures in order to attack their non-mortgage debt. All purchases require trade-offs, and big purchases require big trade-offs.
- Build a big emergency fund — ASAP. Speaking from experience, owning a home is expensive. One rule of thumb is that it costs 1% of the home’s value every year for maintenance and repair. This seems accurate to me. Greg and his wife should work hard to create a home repair fund, one that’s separate from their everyday emergency fund.
What do you think? Should Greg and his wife jump at the chance to buy their Dream Home? Even if doing so means carrying more debt than they’d planned for a few years? Or should they wait until they know they’re financially prepared? Share your personal experience so Greg and his wife can make an informed decision!
Update: This has been a great discussion. Thanks for contributing. Here’s a response from Greg, answering many common questions. (And here’s another.)
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The warnings about the additional hidden costs of home ownership are valid. When we bought our home 10 years ago, we spent at least $500 per month for the first 2 years on something, mostly repairs and stuff that everyone would say needed to be done -
stuff like: the washer and dryer and fridge that we didn’t own before we moved in.
Surprise! the hot water heater in the house is rented from the gas company. Choose to not continue renting and buy a new one.
Water pressure valve fails – must repair in order to have water flow to the house
Turns out the gutters are failing (wasn’t raining during the house inspection), new gutters needed.
9 months after we bought the house the roof leaks. The company that had provided the “5 year roof guarantee” is no longer in business – new roof needed.
Dishwasher starts leaking water – new dishwasher needed.
Some months we made upgrades to the house or purchased furniture, but seriously, the amount of things we needed to fix or replace in that first two years was incredible.
And a house in foreclosure is likely to have accumulated some deferred maintenance, won’t have the declarations of the prior owners/tenants regarding known problems with the house so you’ll likely be discovering these things even in a home that seems “move-in ready”.
I’d wait. There are lots of dream homes out there. It’s possible that this one will still be out there when you are ready to buy!
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Other houses will come along that are also wonderful. And although you said you “checked it out” I wouldn’t trust anything but a very thorough home inspection to make that decision.
That said, people often respond with their hearts instead of their heads. You can sit down and make a list of all the worst things that could go wrong if you buy this house now–loss of a job, needing to move suddenly, something major turns up wrong in the house.
Are you able and willing to take on the risk if you know the bad things that could happen? If so, then go for it. No one (that I know of) has ever died from an impulsive real estate deal. Just make sure you’re willing to live with the consequences if something goes wrong.
If not, wait.
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Count me in the “wait” crowd.
Like @Louisa, you don’t address the issue of children. Can you afford the house on one salary? Even if you both planning on working after children, circumstances may change. When my second child was born, she had a medical issue which required either my husband or I to stay home for 6 months. Thankfully we were able to swing our mortgage on one salary for that time.
I’ve found that there’s always another great home out there, if you keep looking.
Good luck.
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Do it! If you can afford it, why not? The interest rates have never been lower, and you won’t regret it. You guys can afford it. Plus, you can now itemize on your taxes which is great! Just run the #s and see what your real monthly payment will be and go from there. Home prices are pretty steady so you don’t really have a risk or losing money unless things get really really bad, but then we are all screwed. Oh, also, if you are religious, pray about it and see how you feel
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As someone who bought a foreclosure a few years back because it screamed “dream house,” I can understand the emotions that go behind purchasing what seems like a dream house at that point. But, two years down the line and more the wiser, I can honestly say that even writing out all the expenses on paper, there are always surprises, and not to mention not only is your monthly rent the only thing doubling, but expenses too. AND a few months later, you could run into a much better foreclosure house with other things you now realize are lacking in your dream house and needing less cosmetic work and at a lower price.
If you can get your monthly all inclusive mortgage (with homeowners insurance, taxes, etc) closer to the $600 you are currently paying, then that would give you more free cash to sail through the other costs of owning a house. Plus you are also going to need to furnish the house, etc etc.
I think you are better off sticking to your original plan of saving for a house upfront and having a solid emergency fund, especially since it sounds like starting a family is in the works for you….that in itself should give you pause. Keep shopping, and with an open mind for something along the lines of what you are currently paying in rent.
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I wouldn’t do it. I bought a house for basically zero down and regret not saving up at least 20% down. It’s crazy how much of my monthly payment goes to interest instead of principal or escrow. Sure, I get a tax deduction on that interest, but it doesn’t make up for all that money that is being thrown away (I’d have been much better off living in my apartment and “throwing away” a little money while saving up for my down payment).
Check out an amortization calculator for your prospective loan, then pick your jaw up off the floor once you see those interest payment.
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As my dad said, ‘Never love anything that can’t love you back.”
Don’t be in a hurry! Never buy until you have done your homework. If the house is a great deal, then someone who has done their homework would have bought the house pronto, so if it’s on the market for more than a week, it’s a deal that can be had again soon.
The term ‘dream house’ is a bit loaded (as many have observed). Chances are that other houses will be available that meet the ‘dream house’ criteria unless it is truly a ‘one of a kind’ house.
Also, be sure to look at things like the school district and the specific schools (especially the elementary) you are zoned to. When we bought out house, I failed to research the particular elementary school we are zoned to. Now we have considered moving (among other things) to get to a better elementary. This site http://www.greatschools.org/ was helpful for that.
Having said that, I see no financial reason why you shouldn’t buy a house (if you have done your homework). The real estate climate is good. Chances are that we are near the bottom of the crash and buying now could very well be an excellent financial move.
But (and it’s a big butt)…one MUST do one’s homework!!!
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Although it might be emotionally difficult, I would wait. You are only looking at the cost of buying the dream home, but inevitably owning that new home is going to have a bunch of short term expenses. Moving, painting, fixing things, maintaining the yard, utility bills. All these are expenses that could go up or cause unexpected expenses.
Another house will come along. You are in a major buyers market and that is not going to change for a few years. Give yourself the chance to start off right, taking on only your new mortgage as debt.
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I would say no. I doubt that you would be unable to find a similar home 1 or 2 years from now for the same price.
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Proceed with caution. Your situation can change at any moment, sometimes in ways you never could have anticipated. As a previous poster said, it’s rare to be 100% ready, but “scrambling” shouldn’t be part of the process either. And whenever you do buy – spend whatever you need to for a good home inspection. That’s one area you should absolutely not skimp on.
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Wow. I just have to say that this post is uncanny. My fiance and I just faced a VERY similar decision. Difference is that we have a bit more in savings, and rent isn’t nearly so low in NH.
I have to ask, would you even be considering buying a house if you hadn’t peeked at the market? Part of avoiding impulse spending is avoiding exposure to temptation to begin with. We played around with the idea of a house before we could afford it, but didn’t go to any showings until we were pre-approved for financing.
If you DO decide to go for it here is what I would try: make an offer, but make it contingent on the seller covering 3-5% towards closing costs (whatever you need to close the gap). Ours was also a foreclosure and Freddie Mac did this for us. Banks don’t like to hold onto property.
Also, set your closing date for 2-3 months away (2 is standard, I think). The cost of purchasing a house is spread out over that time, and you will have $3000-$4500 to play with if you only make minimum loan payments in that time.
And if all heck breaks loose and you lose your job(s), break the agreement and let your deposit go (not to be confused with the down payment).
Going forward, I would suggest putting more of your paycheck towards savings. It’s hard to wait, I know. I hate my red ink with the passion of a thousand burning suns. But a solid emergency/savings fund is far more protective to your way of life than zero debt.
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A “dream house” is just how you’ve described it–a dream.
The best decisions are made consciously; consciousness is the antithesis of dreaming.
In the book, The Paradox of Choice, author Barry Schwartz urges readers to “anticipate adaptation.”
Humans are adaptive creatures by nature. Within a few years, your happiness will be consumed as you discover things you don’t like about the new home; therefore you will develop the concept of a new “dream home” and begin the plans to find it, replacing the previous one.
If you can envision yourself growing tired of this dream home, and still want to buy it, go ahead. Just be sure that the purchase does not jeopardize your financial well-being, which can then erode at other areas of well-being (i.e. personal relationships, career).
Every decision is a new opportunity to learn about yourself…
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For those who pointed out property taxes and insurance expenses, the writer is projecting a monthly housing expense of $1,200 on a $136,000 house with a down payment. He must be including taxes and other escrows … or making payments to a loan shark.
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NO house is move-in ready. It may appear to be, but it’s not. Even brand new homes have issues (often times more than an old house). You will want and need to do things to make it “home”, and the cost of those things will always compete against other priorities (paying off debt, building savings, oh and kids!). Just be realistic about this, and be patient. There will always be a good house out there for you if this one doesn’t work out. Really, there will be. This is the voice of experience talking.
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Many people have written that it is not wise to rush a purchase, whether it’s a house or a necktie. So find a way to turn off the feeling of being rushed.
You write that you don’t want to “risk losing what amounts to our Dream House.” Remember that that this purchase takes you from a position of less risk to more risk. So the risk is not in losing the house, the risk is in owning the house.
You are thinking about about doubling your housing costs ($600 to $1200), and that is just considering the payments. The cost of a roof or HVAC replacement, or repairs after a storm can eat through savings many times over, and you said you would be starting homeownership without savings.
“Safely employed” and “no kids (yet)” are two significant assumptions that can shake your positive financial outlook. Factors in your control (e.g., you or your wife may decide to stay home with a new child, or private education vs. public education) and factors out of your control (e.g., job loss) can have a tough impact on your monthly budget.
Finally, this decision is a good chance for you and your wife to evaluate how you communicate about money. There will be many times ahead when you will want to, or will have to, spend significant amounts of money. Financial stress takes a toll on a marriage that won’t be repaired by living in a great house.
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Don’t do it!!!!
You aren’t going to look back in five years and say, man I really wish we bought that home.
You may in fact look back in five years and say, what on earth were we thinking jumping into home ownership with no savings and all that debt!
Dream homes are a myth. You will move in and realize there really isn’t enough closet space, or you would have preferred an east facing dining room.
Look ahead. When you are on firm financial ground, you will be much more sure about your decision to buy a home. You will be confident. You won’t have to ask a financial blogger if you should or shouldn’t pull the trigger. You will know its a good decision for your family. And at that point, when you are ready, I am positive another “Dream Home” will be there, and you will breathe a sigh of relief that you didn’t buy the first one you found.
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There are lots of dream houses out there. It sounds like this decision is pure emotion for them right now. That’s a definite sign to wait!
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One of the best pieces of advice I got when buying my house was “There’s no such thing as a dream home until it passes inspection.” Once upon a time my husband and I found what we thought was a perfect house for us – our first – and the inspection quickly revealed a crack in the foundation – which could only be repaired by ripping out the side yard and patio (about $20k extra later) – which happened to be the two things we loved most about the house. We realized that once you took off the patio and junked the yard, the house was pretty common looking and not what we wanted. This young couple hasn’t even had time to consider what about a house is really important to them. How could they know it’s a “dream house” yet?
Frankly, unless this house is something REALLY unique and special, this isn’t a dream home – it’s a temptation home. The one that makes you clarify whether you’re a risk-taker or an intelligent-planner in these matters. The one you walk away from and begin thinking “it was nice, but in truth, I’d really like a different size of kitchen now that I’ve had time to think about it”. If this were truly a “dream home”, the timing on purchase would be as right as everything else. The fact that the timing is all wrong for them personally when measured against their other goals should be the most weighing factor. They aren’t ready. They know they aren’t ready. They said they aren’t ready. And they’re trying to talk themselves into being ready.
Let it go. Continue planning intelligently and the right house will come along AT THE RIGHT TIME.
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I live in Houston. There are no one-of-a-kind homes in this price range here, unless it really has some serious repair issues.
How do I know? I’ve looked at dozens of homes in the Houston area for “fix-up-flip” purposes and have done it exactly twice; this “one-of-a-kind” just doesn’t pass my experience or smell test.
Best of luck, but I would be very cautious in this environment, particularly given the low financial resources of the questioner.
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I know what it feels like to think that you’re passing on something that is such a critical part of your future. However, getting out of debt is an even bigger part. The problem is that once you get the house, then the need to have kids comes on strong, a bigger, safer car for the kids comes next, and trying to get out of debt becomes even harder when the wish list keeps growing.
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One of the first tenets of home-buying is to never let yourself fall in love with a house. It’s a recipe for paying too much.
It appears to me that the poster is being overly optimistic. They have a take-home income of $5,0000 – or $60k. They have paid off $9,000 in student debt in 6 months, but think that they can easily pay off the final $28,000 in one year? That’s half of their entire take-home pay just for the student loans. Plus, he notes that some of the loan is already in forebearance while his wife is in school.
They absolutely should not buy this home! What if his wife becomes pregnant and has to take maternity leave (unpaid)? What if one of them loses their job? Also, housing prices are expected to continue to fall so there should be no hurry to buy now.
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If it’s a one-of-a-kind home, in a great location, buy it. $135K mortgage on $5000/month take home is very manageable, your payment will be around $1000/month. Also, you’ll be taking advantage of good interest rates now–it looks like they are still below 5%.
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I would advise you to wait. Not only did I notice the maintenance expenses that several people have mentioned when I bought my first home, but there are also more spending temptations involved in buying a home. Not only are you buying things that you all of a sudden need to maintain your house and yard, but you are tempted to buy landscaping items, curtains, blinds, furniture, paint, lighting, fans, appliances, new accessories that match the house’s color scheme, and the list goes on. It is not worth adding the financial strain, even if it is only for 6 months to a year. My experience has been similar to what others have said in that you will find more than one dream home in your area.
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My first reaction was re: “both safely employed”…WHO, in this day and age, is “safely employed”? You can lose your job in a heartbeat, you could get sick…Your monthly combined income isn’t that high either, although maybe it’s high for Houston.
You guys are young too—you should sock away as much money as you can now, before you have kids. You said your housing expenses would double. Shoot, if you think you can handle that, then put that $$ in savings for the next 6 months or more and then you’ll have emergency savings.
We bought what I thought was my dream house and then within 6 months, we were separated and now I’m handling this dream house’s mortgage on a single income. It ISN’T pretty or fun, esp with home values decreasing constantly.
What’s a dream house anyway, as people have already commented?
Also, having a house is a lot of work. I know someone who bought a house with her sister a year ago and this year she finds out she to replace the whole heating system, for like $10K. If something unforeseen happened, even if was something “minor” like having to replace the refrigerator, or whatever, would you be able to swing that once your belts are so tight?
Trust me: WAIT. Houses are great but are massive headaches. And now people talk about getting rid of the deduction for home mortgage interest some day? Property taxes go up every year. There is so much to think about.
Just Wait, guys.
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I suspect they’ve already decided to buy it, they’re just looking for reinforcement for the already made decision. However, I will point out two things to keep in mind:
1.) I know many people who find the “perfect house” and the deal falls through for whatever reason. I know of no such case where they never find an equivalent (usually better) house later. Not once have I heard anyone lament a deal fallen through years later on a “dream house” that didn’t have some other special value (like a family history).
2.) The most unhappy people I know for long term (not just short downs like after a breakup or illness) are unhappy due to money. And every one of them has a mortgage on the very high side of acceptable for their income.
Especially now, when houses seem cheap, it’s easy to be rushed into buying. While a good deal is great, every time I’ve rushed into a decision because it was a good deal with a clock ticking I’ve regretted it. Every time I’ve gotten where I want to be, then said “Now I’ll sit tight and wait for the perfect deal” I’ve been much more satisfied and made better decisions.
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The people saying “Do it! You can afford it!” have clearly never heard some of the disasters described on the Dave Ramsey Show. Even if this situation isn’t exactly a disaster waiting to happen, it could very easily be a “very tight budget” waiting to happen. I mean, just listen to what some of the other readers here have said. Like the woman who found out she was pregnant the day they moved in and that child had special needs. It can and does happen all the time.
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Don’t buy unless …
Your monthly mortgage payment is the same or less than your rent.
You move in without having touched your emergency fund.
But better yet, ask the parents to gift the down payment money to you to help pay off your student loans and move toward future homeownership with a big monkey off your back.
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I would say the responsible thing to do would be to wait. However, that being said, I think that it really can depend on the neighborhood. It was said that houses are cheap in the Houston area at $136,000 for a foreclosure. Is that well under market value? If so, by how much? If it’s in an amazing, popular neighborhood where houses never go for less than $200,000 (just as an example), it may be worth it if you can put up with the stress of the extra debt load. And there will be stress, guaranteed.
That’s what my husband and I did. We bought our first house for $120,000 in a very popular neighborhood where a majority of the houses go for $200,000-$400,000, and the cheapest you can usually find is $160,000. It wasn’t a foreclose, but a fixer-upper, so we bought it and put some work into it. Now we can be almost complete assured (there’s always a chance) that we’ll never be underwater and will even have significant equity in the house.
But we were looking to buy, and had our finances ready for the move. I can say for certain that if we hadn’t been ready, we wouldn’t have bought that house. Neither one of use would have wanted to deal with the additional financial pressure.
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Another vote for “Wait!”.
Greg, you have no down payment and no emergency fund. If 5K a month really is a lot of money, you will have no problem saving up a down payment and emergency fund in the next year or two while paying less aggressively on their student loans.
My parents are shopping for a “dream house” in Houston right now. They have fallen in love with a place many a time in the last 6 months. What’s the worst that can happen if you don’t buy this house? It’s not like it’s the last house that you’ll ever like. What makes it so unique?
Now think, what’s the worst that could happen if you bought this house? I have my home purchase horror stories (spent upwards of 10K on repairs my first year in my house, things have mellowed to ~4K a year now). What happens when your wife graduates? Is she staying with her current job? What happens when/if you have babies? These people going through foreclosures right now, don’t you think they started out with the same optimism?
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I am a senior mortgage consultant with a small community bank in central Ohio with 22 years of home lending experience.
A foreclosure sale can be quite tricky, so be sure to interview your lender. That’s right, interview your lender! make sure the person who is handling your loan has experience in foreclosure sale transactions. I have seen this type of deal take months due to the current owner/lender being so overwhelmed with the amount of properties owned that they are grossly inefficient.
As far as whether or not you should try to purchase the property is your decision, but please put your emotions aside and look at this as a business deal. Would you do it if it was not your dream home?
Also, most banks that sell foreclosed homes will not do any repairs or pay for any portion of your closing costs, so start asking some questions if you are wanting any sales concessions from the seller.
Another pitfall of foreclosed properties is that the property itself my not qualify for certain loan types. If the property needs repairs prior to the lender approving the loan then you are in a no win situation with most loan types. The seller/bank will not usually make repairs or even allow you to go in and make repairs prior to you owning the home, and your lender will not close on the loan until the repairs are made.
Good luck to you, but please do a little more homework on the property, the owner, and your lender.
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I am in the camp of waiting on the house.
Actually when we were buying our house we gave a pretty good offer but a builder came around and beat our price. After we reached the max ammount we wanted to spend on it we called it quits. Turned out the builder realized that he wouldn’t be able to make a profit on the deal and backed out (losing his 11k earnest money deposit) allowing the house to go back onto the market 6 months later. Since housing prices had fallen even lower we offered 50k under our original price. The better part was because of those 6 months we were able to save an even larger down payment.
So my advice is to wait on it, save up, and another oportunity will pop up, maybe even for the same house.
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Someone earlier mentioned unexpected housing expenses, which reminded me of all the ones we were hit with. I normally keep these memories locked deep inside a deep dark place in my mind.
gas line to house: not under warranty
roof skylight leak: warrantied, but $50/copay
washer/dryer
2 water heaters
car accident
dishwasher and associated flooding
a/c and associated smoke
sprinkler system and associated resodding
sinks and toilets and associated water bills and water damage
weather and associated damaged fence
Just to annoy the folks who hate other people plugging their blogs, here’s a link: http://nicoleandmaggie.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/the-homebuying-can-be-expensive-post/
I like links and plugs, so long as they’re relevant. I can’t be the only one who does. If you don’t like folks plugging their stuff, then don’t click! Free disposal costs!
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My vote is to wait. Your values and ideals in a house may change once you have children. I’ve really learned that location is far, far more important than the actual walls you live within. Walls can be moved, porches can be added, but sitting and praying for more kids to move onto your block doesn’t get you far. Having children and owning a house really invests you into a neighborhood far more than renting.
My husband and I never wanted to be house poor. We’ve always bought less than we could afford. And none of the houses we bought were love at first site but I grew to love every one. Our current house seems the most challenging to love right now but it was the only house in the neighborhood we wanted and we’re slowly making it ours and learning it’s quirks.
Waiting until you’re more financially secure will give you the flexibility to make a better choice, move towards a better school or better job, and survive a downturn.
If you decide to go for it, be sure to factor in what my husband and I call the “Home Depot bill.” Even brand new houses need regular maintenance and supplies. Move-in Ready is really just a prettier way of saying Not A Fixer-upper. It doesn’t mean there will be no expenses related to making the house your home.
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Don’t buy this house now. You don’t have enough money put away for broken furnaces, leaky roofs, babies on the way, etc. An empty bedroom seems to draw pregnancy like a vacuum.
How about getting a second job and saving that money before buying a house. Hard work to make your dream come true is old-fashioned, but very sound advice.
Why not create a dream home folder or scrapbook? Put a lovely picture of this dream house on the first page, and continue adding pictures as you come across them.
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Having bought a house before I could actually afford to do it, I would strongly recommend that they do not buy the house. In addition to the higher monthly housing expense, owning a home has a lot more small costs that constantly nibble away at your income, not to mention the big ones that you need to be saving for (new roof, furnace, a car etc.)Pay off your student loans and make sure that you have at least $5,000 in cash above and beyond what you’ll need for down payment and closing before you buy. You’ll be glad you did.
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Folks, this is a great discussion. Thank you. Greg’s been reading, and I think he may post a some follow-ups later. I’m going to the gym now, though, and won’t be able to approve comments for a couple of hours. Please be patient!
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These guys are young. We all were at some point, and I get the desire and urge. But a dream house at age “late 20′s” with no kids is likely different than a dream house at age 35-40 with kids.
And sorry to burst the bubble, but a $136K home isn’t a dream home. it’s a house. built by someone else.
So what they covet is to simply buy something someone else made. How is that a dream, and how is that coveted.
I get wanting something you made, or created. I get the pride and pleasure or crafting something, or designing something yourself. But simply buying something someone else made and then placing a “dream” label on it. Dumb. Like a car. People think nice cars are a symbol. They are. They symbolize that anyone with 40,50,80 or 100K can buy and drive the exact same thing.
Now if you built it yourself, restored a 1966 Mustang or a something that makes sense.
Keep renting at half the cost. Take the dad’s “generous gift” and apply it to debts. Take the additional $600 not spent buy conuing to rent and pay off the rest of the debts. Then look up in six months and be debt free, and realize there is another “dream” house, becasue there is always another one.
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Second, $136k foreclosure in Houston is probably ~3,000+sf 3/2/2 in a good suburb with great schools. So if they have kids, they’re okay there, too. They’re looking at a mortgage payment of $1360 at the very worst. If their circumstances change significantly that they need to move, the house rental market in Houston is pretty good, they could use it as rental property. I seriously doubt it’s a one of a kind home, though, Houston isn’t exactly known for their alternative housing.
Those incidental costs associated with going from renting to buying (appliances, utility deposits, home & yard upkeep)would be in addition to their $7k saved up. If they’re only spending $80/month on debt repayment and they take home $5k, they could conceivably do it, they’d just be house poor for a few months until they get things stabilized again.
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I have mixed feelings on this, and I actually changed my mind halfway through reading it, plus I agree with what Kris said.
My 51% says no. Life should be a little bit spontaneous and fun, sure, but it’s rarely wise to get caught up in the thinking that anything is a once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity, must act now.
I think the clincher for me is that, sure, they can afford it BUT, if I read it correctly, it basically doubles their monthly housing expense, more or less. That’s alot of money to be spending on something that, a week or so ago, they didn’t even know they wanted.
Keep living in the inexpensive apartment, get rid of that debt, save aggressively while you are comfortable with your dual incomes and little expenses. As you mention, you “don’t have kids (YET)” [caps mine], and speaking from a similar experience (I’m hardly older than you), if/when you do have children, your needs and outlook will likely change. Maybe one or both of you will need to be closer to work (or daycare) than you previously anticipated, maybe you’ll want a different school district, maybe you’ll want a more family-oriented community, maybe one of you will be surprised that you want to stay home, or you’ll be surprised that you want to keep working. You just don’t know yet; you CAN’T know yet.
Considering this, the downside here is two-fold: 1)You’re spending more, saving less, when you don’t really need to and while there’s a clear advantage to building up more resources at this point in your lives; and 2) You don’t realize that you’d be running the risk of having to move all over again, unexpectedly, in a couple of years.
And for what? There will be other houses, trust me. You’re doing great right now, stick with it.
For the record, my wife and I were almost in your exact situation–DINK, no kids, renting a very cheap apartment–everyone told us we were crazy, throwing away our money, ought to buy a house. Our incomes were basically similar, a little bit higher, but the same idea.
And a few years later, after our first child was born, we did buy our house. In the community and school area of our choosing. With a 75% down-payment. The 30-year mortgage we used for the remaining 25%(rates weren’t all that different) only took us about six years to pay off. And the flexibility now is amazing.
Keep your costs low now. If you can pay off $38k in debt in a year, you can save, what $76k two years later to put down on a new dream house, right? That’s a full HALF of the cost of the house–50% down. On a 30-year-loan, your monthly payment would be something like $400–less than the current rent on your cheap apartment.
Wait a little bit, and you’ll have your dream house soon, and you’ll feel even wealthier and more secure when you’re living in it.
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It’s very easy to get wrapped up in the emotion of buying a house. But it’s only a “dream home” for your current state in life. What looks like a great house now may be different in five or ten years from now. Perhaps one of you will change jobs and now the commute is too long. Or perhaps you have kids and it now feels too small or the flow doesn’t work.
I would side with the Dave Ramsey side of things here. Pay off your debt and save up a good size down payment. You’re going to want a good chunk of cash when you move in to pay for things like moving expenses, painting a room, having the carpets cleaned, tools and materials for the upkeep of the yard and house.
Nothing ever goes as smoothly as you expect, it’s always nice to have some extra cash laying around to help even out the bumps along the way.
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Totally agree that it is the long term horizon that counts, along with low fee investment vehicles. Demographic trends have benefited the baby boomers in the equity markets, and now we are entering a new tipping point phase in their demographic needs which will affect all of us during the next 20 years.
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Don’t do it. My husband and I did something similar in 2004, and I had a blog for several years called “Nightmare on Elm St” about everything that we found wrong with our “dream” house (yes, it is actually on Elm St.). Probably another $100k in personal savings and ill-advised HELOC later, it is more the house of our dreams, but we’ve had two kids since then and our needs have really changed. If I could do it all over again, I would not have bought this house. Wait until you can afford something and then shop. There will be plenty more dream houses, I promise.
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A (not “The”) dream house is a function of how long you’ve been looking.
Kris and @27 nailed it. Kris noted the exception: when the supply may really be 1. Otherwise, as you see more houses while seriously looking, your standard will go up.
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I’ve owned three houses (currently living in the 3rd), and the “Dream Home” is a myth, sort of like Prince Charming for grownups. There will always be another house out there to fit your needs. If you’re not financially ready, that dream will quickly turn into a nightmare. Take your time.
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My husband and I were in a very similar situation about three and a half years ago. We jumped on a house that we fell in love with, a 90 year old Craftsman bungalow, built by hand by an architect who went on to do great things in our city. We loved it, and even though we weren’t planning on it, we bought it.
Huge mistake. Medical bills came up, we still had debt from the past, we didn’t have the full down payment so we had to take on extra debt beyond the mortgage. It took us over two full years to get out of the hole, a very stressful two years.
If I could go back in time, I’d slap the younger version of my husband and myself right in the face. Tell them to snap out of it and be patient. No house is worth the amount of stress that comes with pulling the trigger too early.
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Most if not all of you home owners may agree that your first home is never your Dream Home. Regardless what you may think or feel prior to buying your first home.
I would think you may want to consider buying with the notion that you are investing in a home not buying your dream house.
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I would probably say “don’t buy it.” It’s seems like a quick, emotional decision is being made here (see comment #35). Were they in the market for a home at the time or was it a something they just happened across? If it’s the latter case, they really need to think about whether or not this is really the right time for them to purchase.
I’m also curious about Kris’ point of whether or not it’s a one-of-a-kind home, but it doesn’t sound like it from the post. All things considered, it seems like making the home purchase might severely hamper their ability to deal with debt.
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I’m nowhere close to being a financial expert, but here’s my two cents…
It sounds like you’d probably be fine if you bought the house, so long as there aren’t any big life changes in your near future.
That being said, personally I don’t think I’d take on such huge stress, risk and responsibility for a dream home at this point. Why not? Because there will ALWAYS… ALWAYS… be a bigger, better and cheaper dream home down the line.
I say wait until you can afford it with minimal stress, extra savings and no debt, then find something even better than this home. You’ll enjoy it so much more.
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As someone who works in this field and frequently sees first time buyers jump into properties, I can only say: think lonnnnng and hard about this choice. As Kris recommends, unless this is ONE of a kind home, there will be other properties. There always are, especially in this market.
There’s no rush usually. Even a sharp increase in mortgage rates wouldn’t raise their payments much – assuming 20% on the property, their monthly PITI would only go up $60 if rates went from 5% to 6%.
That said, I don’t believe all debts need to be paid off. If they can put down 20%, then they’ll avoid Private Mortgage Insurance. They could increase the sales price by $7,000 to cover all their closing costs and keep their emergency fund safe and avoid taking on short term debt. They’d pay interest on the financed closing costs, but it’s an option that often is great for first time buyers.
Not to make this overly complicated, but the robo-signer debacle could also come back and bite them if the person who was foreclosed on somehow gets the keys to the house back through a legal action similar to what’s been happening in MA. Slim chances of that and I hope it doesn’t start happening too frequently.
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I’m pretty sure the OP knows they shouldn’t do this, but I think they’re fishing for SOME justification in these comments.
I think they should do what will give them the least amount of stress.
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