This post is from staff writer Sierra Black. Sierra writes about frugality, sustainable living, and getting her kids to eat kale at Childwild.com.
When a friend of mine changed jobs recently, she discovered she had half a dozen old 401(k)s trailing her from her past jobs. She wanted to get on top of her financial planning, but wasn’t sure what to do with all those old investments. she asked me for advice.
Truth is, I wasn’t sure either. I cashed out my one 401(k) to buy a house several years ago. I know that was a dumb move in the larger financial story of my life. Saving early for retirement is one of the best ways to build wealth. I can’t undo it now, though, and I’ve been so focused on paying off debts I haven’t thought much about retirement planning for years.
As my debt burden shrinks, it’s time to start thinking about my own investment strategy. So I looked into my friend’s question: What should she do with those old 401Ks?
What To Do with Old 401(k)s
According to Schwab, there are four basic things you can do with a 401(k) when you leave a job. These are:
- Take the cash. You can cash out your 401(k) and pocket the money. This is basically Bad Plan Theater, though, unless you’re unemployed and otherwise destitute. Cashing out your 401(k) at any time before retirement is a permanent hit to your future wealth. You can regain the savings at a future job, of course, but you’ll never regain the time you lost earning interest on those savings. The dollars you put into your 401(k) when you’re 25 are worth much, much more to you than the dollars you put in when you’re 40. You want to let your investments age as long as possible before you need to withdraw that money. In addition, you pay 28% in taxes and a 10% early withdrawal penalty for taking your money out of your 401(k). The fees and taxes make this an even worse idea — no matter how tempting it is.
- Do nothing. If you do nothing with your 401K, it’ll just sit there accruing interest (or investment returns) on whatever money was in it when you stopped contributing. This keeps your money in the same investment plan it was already in, with the same terms and fees. This might be the best option for some people: if your new employer doesn’t have a retirement plan you like, or if you’re starting your own business and want to keep your 401(k) unchanged.
- Rollover your 401(k) to your new employer’s retirement plan. This is the best option for most people. You can do it without penalty, unlike when you cash out the 401(k). Rolling over your 401(k) keeps things simple. All your investments are in one place, where you can easily keep track of how they’re doing. In addition, all your new retirement contributions will be adding to the pot you’ve rolled over from your previous job. You’ll be limited to your new employer’s investment plans and options, though, so be sure to read the fine print carefully and make sure you like their offerings as much as what you have at your old place.
- Rollover your 401(k) into a personal IRA. This option gives you the most flexibility. You can put your investments anywhere you like, without being restricted to your employer’s plans. It might be the only choice for people becoming self-employed, other than leaving your 401(k) where it is. On the downside, moving your funds to an IRA may have less protection from creditors than a 401(k), and may carry an annual fee.
One more option: You may be able to roll your 401(k) over into a Roth IRA, as Jeff Rose explains at Good Financial Cents. A Roth IRA lets you deposit post-tax dollars and then withdraw money tax-free after retirement. In general, you’ll pay less tax on your retirement funds by funding a Roth IRA than a traditional IRA or 401(k). Making the switch to a Roth IRA from a 401(k) can be a little tricky, and the amount of funds you can do this with is limited. You may want to consult a financial professional if you’re planning to take this option.
Putting Theory into Practice
After looking at all the options, I advised my friend to consolidate her old 401(k)s into one 401(k) account with her new employer, and to keep contributing to her Roth IRA as well as her 401(k). She can put up to $5,000 a year into her Roth IRA, and her remaining retirement funds into her 401(k). That’s not expert advice — it’s just what makes sense to me after looking into the options. Depending on your individual situation and your employer’s 401(k) offerings, you may find a different approach works best for you.
When I start up my retirement savings again (hopefully this year!), I’ll be following a similar tactic: setting up a Roth IRA and investing in that account first. Anything above the annual deposit limits that we can save will go into my husband’s 401(k).
Since I’m just starting out at this, I’m even more interested than usual in your experiences. What have you done with old retirement accounts when you’ve changed jobs? What types of accounts do you rely on for your retirement savings?
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Personally I think in general you’ll be better off with a good IRA. Employer 401k plans usually have very limited investment options and can have relatively high fees. Its not unusual for 401k fees to add up to 1-2% of assets.
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Mary,
IRA’s are protected from bankruptcy at the federal level. The 2005 bankruptcy reform law explicitly extended coverage to 403b and IRA for $1M and any monies rolled over from a ERISA fund. The Supreme Court also ruled that IRAs are protected from bankruptcy.
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Anyone know how to handle a 403B?
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There are some good 401(k) plans out there, but they tend to be the exception rather than the rule. Most 401(k) plans pass costs onto the employee in the form of a percentage of assets fee, and worse many of them make it hard to even find out what the fees are. Often the HR department is not smart enough to know about the fees for the 401(k)t they themselves supposedly researched and set up!
If you don’t know how to tell if your 401(k) is better than average, just assume it’s not and roll over into an IRA as soon as possible.
I have one old 401(k) at a previous, large employer with a good plan (better than what I can get on my own). All my other 401(k)s I have rolled over into one rollover IRA. I keep it separate from my other IRA assets just in case I ever have another good plan, but I’m not holding my breath.
To those rolling over into an HSA – not only are you using up your HSA contribution for the year, but you are not getting social security and medicare taxes deducted for the contribution.
@Jan – the choices are pretty much the same for 403(b)’s as they are for 401(k)’s. Leave it there, cash it out, roll it over to new employer’s plan or roll it over to IRA. The last choice is still the best.
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Sara: “without consulting me they just decided to cash it out and add to my tax burden”. I believe you can take that check and send it to a new IRA provider. As long as you do it within 60 days it’s considered a rollover and you aren’t taxed. See: http://www.money-zine.com/Financial-Planning/Retirement/401k-Rollover/
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Thought I would chime in to my experience. When my job changed employers a few years ago I had a 401k and a pension to consider rolling over. My 401k was managed by re same co as my new 401k so it was easy to keep it. Both come up when I log into fidelity but the options are different. More choices and no good reason to move it. I did roll my pension over to a ira in order to ‘test out’ a financial advisor. He’s done okay. But not so good that I want to move my 401k over. Getting the pension away from my old employer was a hassle but at least if they go out of business I already have my money.
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Hey guys, great site.
Here is Australia it’s pretty much locked until retirement age (65). Unless you are terminally ill or worse you cannot access your superannuation. I previously worked for the Fed Govt and a downside to that is that they do not allow the transfer of my account to my new one. I also am not allowed to add to it. This means at age 29 I have $50k locked in the Govt account! I would have preferred to roll it over into my new account but it is trapped there to ‘protect’ us. Now at 32 I’ve had to start again only just now getting it up to $20k with a separate provider.
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Not sure where you got 28% for a 401(k) distribution – you will be taxed at your marginal tax rate which could be anything from 0-35% Federal depending on your other taxable income. Don’t forget to add state tax in the mix.
Also you never mentioned that age plays a huge part in any distribution decision and how it is subsequently taxed.
I usually advise my clients to roll it over to an IRA as soon as possible. It just gives you more control and flexibility and 99 times out of 100 the expenses are lower since there isn’t that third party taking their cut for administering the retirement plan.
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If an IRA is the only investment you’re using for retirement, there is a $5,000 annual limit. When I do the math, if I contribute to that for 40 years, that’s $200,000 (not counting accumulated interest)…hardly enough to retire on. What are people without additional retirement accounts (401k, 403b, etc) doing if this is the amount you’re looking at to retire on. It’s better than nothing, but I’m figuring I need at least a million to retire with to be sustainable.
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There is another option, which could help if you are really concerned with retaining the 401k protections vs IRA – you may be able to set up a small company 401k if you have or establish a company.
However I’m assuming the fees would be high (especially if you don’t otherwise have a company set up). You would have to decide if the higher fee level and paperwork vs. IRA is warranted by the ERISA protections of 401k (that IRAs don’t have).
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I literally just did this less than two weeks ago. Rollover IRA all the way. My new plan’s options (403-b with Fidelity) are way limited and I’m not thrilled with the choices, my old plan’s (401k with Fidelity)options were MUCH better. My personal IRA really opened things up and I love it. Not to mention, your personal IRA gives you control. Not a week after I made my decision, my employer announced they are “streamlining” their 403-b investment options even more than they already are. If it’s your IRA, they can’t do that.
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Before rolling it over into your new job’s 401K, take a careful look at it. My new job has vanguard funds But they run them through another Financial company for some reason. The results? An expense ration of .44 becomes 1.34! I have no idea Why but figure someone in hq has a brother selling that program for john Hancock..
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To Dana @ #43 and everyone else: You can ***always*** change your beneficiary designations, no matter how your retirement funds are held and no matter who manages them. If you get divorced, or have any other major life change, you should change your beneficiary designations immediately so that if anything should happen to you, the right person (that you want to inherit) will receive your 401(k) or 403(b) or IRA funds. (Note that if you are married, and live in a community property state, there are specific requirements you and your spouse must meet if you want to name someone other than your spouse as beneficiary.)
It’s in everyone’s best interest to keep on top of their beneficiary designations.
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Another note to the beneficiary designations. I found when rolling over my pension that even though I was not married when I worked for said company, I got married later, and that my husband was never listed as a beneficiary, since we were currently married, I needed him to sign the rollover papers stating that he agreed to use ‘our’ funds that way. It wasn’t a problem for me, but I thought it interesting.
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I will be getting laid off shortly and do not have a new job lined up at the moment. What would be the best option? Rollover into personal IRA? Cashing out is not an option.
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One of the problems you face is knowing which plans are best.
This link allows you to compare between historical returns of a 401K plan and an IRA.
http://www.myplaniq.com/LTISystem/f401k_planrollover.action?from=Apple%20401K&to=Schwab%20OneSource%20Select%20List%20Funds
This is a comparison between Apple 401K and Schwab Select
Often, IRAs have more choices of funds in more asset classes that can give you higher returns.
Note that we have no relationship with Apple or Schwab and you can pick the IRA broker of your choice. We have around 2000 401K plans but not all — if you give us tickers, we can plug in your company’s plan and you can do the comparison.
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Great post, April. I’m at the stage where I’m contemplating a job switch, so this post will be useful when and if that happens.
Personally, the option to roll over a 401k to a Roth IRA is pretty appealing.
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There are many things that can be done with OLD 401k’s… Not that anyone would pay attention to this post now but what the hell… PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SEEK advice before making a decision DO NO be like the individuals that have posted above. I’d like to know which of you would read a book about being a jet pilot or about how to fly a jet and then would go out and try and do it??? I hope the answer is NONE. It takes education and yes YEARS of experience to understand the options available to you. First and foremost the person at the very top said she liquidated her 401k and didn’t even bother mentioning the tax implications… she shouldn’t have purchased her home with her retirement money she should have planned better to do both. Also, I read people mention converting their 401k to a ROTH IRA but NO ONE mentioned the tax implications with this choice as well… Bottom line is YOU are not an expert so stop trying to be go out and talk to someone that is instead of doing research on how to fly a jet why not research who the best jet pilot is? if you can’t afford that jet pilot or you don’t like his/her attitude guess what!? You don’t have to use him/her… Retirement shortfalls, over spending and being illprepared in this economy and market is an ABSOLUTE epidemic please prepare yourselves for the future because if you don’t the harsh reality is that you will work until the day that you die…
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