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	<title>Comments on: What To Do with an Old 401(k)</title>
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		<title>By: TIMOTHY</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-2623472</link>
		<dc:creator>TIMOTHY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many things that can be done with OLD 401k&#039;s... Not that anyone would pay attention to this post now but what the hell... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SEEK advice before making a decision DO NO be like the individuals that have posted above. I&#039;d like to know which of you would read a book about being a jet pilot or about how to fly a jet and then would go out and try and do it??? I hope the answer is NONE. It takes education and yes YEARS of experience to understand the options available to you. First and foremost the person at the very top said she liquidated her 401k and didn&#039;t even bother mentioning the tax implications... she shouldn&#039;t have purchased her home with her retirement money she should have planned better to do both. Also, I read people mention converting their 401k to a ROTH IRA but NO ONE mentioned the tax implications with this choice as well... Bottom line is YOU are not an expert so stop trying to be go out and talk to someone that is instead of doing research on how to fly a jet why not research who the best jet pilot is? if you can&#039;t afford that jet pilot or you don&#039;t like his/her attitude guess what!? You don&#039;t have to use him/her... Retirement shortfalls, over spending and being illprepared in this economy and market is an ABSOLUTE epidemic please prepare yourselves for the future because if you don&#039;t the harsh reality is that you will work until the day that you die...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many things that can be done with OLD 401k&#8217;s&#8230; Not that anyone would pay attention to this post now but what the hell&#8230; PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SEEK advice before making a decision DO NO be like the individuals that have posted above. I&#8217;d like to know which of you would read a book about being a jet pilot or about how to fly a jet and then would go out and try and do it??? I hope the answer is NONE. It takes education and yes YEARS of experience to understand the options available to you. First and foremost the person at the very top said she liquidated her 401k and didn&#8217;t even bother mentioning the tax implications&#8230; she shouldn&#8217;t have purchased her home with her retirement money she should have planned better to do both. Also, I read people mention converting their 401k to a ROTH IRA but NO ONE mentioned the tax implications with this choice as well&#8230; Bottom line is YOU are not an expert so stop trying to be go out and talk to someone that is instead of doing research on how to fly a jet why not research who the best jet pilot is? if you can&#8217;t afford that jet pilot or you don&#8217;t like his/her attitude guess what!? You don&#8217;t have to use him/her&#8230; Retirement shortfalls, over spending and being illprepared in this economy and market is an ABSOLUTE epidemic please prepare yourselves for the future because if you don&#8217;t the harsh reality is that you will work until the day that you die&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1719922</link>
		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, April. I&#039;m at the stage where I&#039;m contemplating a job switch, so this post will be useful when and if that happens. 

Personally, the option to roll over a 401k to a Roth IRA is pretty appealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, April. I&#8217;m at the stage where I&#8217;m contemplating a job switch, so this post will be useful when and if that happens. </p>
<p>Personally, the option to roll over a 401k to a Roth IRA is pretty appealing.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Napper</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1235362</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Napper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 19:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the problems you face is knowing which plans are best.

This link allows you to compare between historical returns of a 401K plan and an IRA.

http://www.myplaniq.com/LTISystem/f401k_planrollover.action?from=Apple%20401K&amp;to=Schwab%20OneSource%20Select%20List%20Funds

This is a comparison between Apple 401K and Schwab Select

Often, IRAs have more choices of funds in more asset classes that can give you higher returns.

Note that we have no relationship with Apple or Schwab and you can pick the IRA broker of your choice. We have around 2000 401K plans but not all -- if you give us tickers, we can plug in your company&#039;s plan and you can do the comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems you face is knowing which plans are best.</p>
<p>This link allows you to compare between historical returns of a 401K plan and an IRA.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myplaniq.com/LTISystem/f401k_planrollover.action?from=Apple%20401K&amp;to=Schwab%20OneSource%20Select%20List%20Funds" rel="nofollow">http://www.myplaniq.com/LTISystem/f401k_planrollover.action?from=Apple%20401K&amp;to=Schwab%20OneSource%20Select%20List%20Funds</a></p>
<p>This is a comparison between Apple 401K and Schwab Select</p>
<p>Often, IRAs have more choices of funds in more asset classes that can give you higher returns.</p>
<p>Note that we have no relationship with Apple or Schwab and you can pick the IRA broker of your choice. We have around 2000 401K plans but not all &#8212; if you give us tickers, we can plug in your company&#8217;s plan and you can do the comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1169662</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 03:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be getting laid off shortly and do not have a new job lined up at the moment.  What would be the best option?  Rollover into personal IRA?  Cashing out is not an option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be getting laid off shortly and do not have a new job lined up at the moment.  What would be the best option?  Rollover into personal IRA?  Cashing out is not an option.</p>
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		<title>By: Bella</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1168612</link>
		<dc:creator>Bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another note to the beneficiary designations. I found when rolling over my pension that even though I was not married when I worked for said company, I got married later, and that my husband was never listed as a beneficiary, since we were currently married, I needed him to sign the rollover papers stating that he agreed to use &#039;our&#039; funds that way. It wasn&#039;t a problem for me, but I thought it interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another note to the beneficiary designations. I found when rolling over my pension that even though I was not married when I worked for said company, I got married later, and that my husband was never listed as a beneficiary, since we were currently married, I needed him to sign the rollover papers stating that he agreed to use &#8216;our&#8217; funds that way. It wasn&#8217;t a problem for me, but I thought it interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy H.</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1166802</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 06:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Dana @ #43 and everyone else:  You can ***always*** change your beneficiary designations, no matter how your retirement funds are held and no matter who manages them.  If you get divorced, or have any other major life change, you should change your beneficiary designations immediately so that if anything should happen to you, the right person (that you want to inherit) will receive your 401(k) or 403(b) or IRA funds.  (Note that if you are married, and live in a community property state, there are specific requirements you and your spouse must meet if you want to name someone other than your spouse as beneficiary.)

It&#039;s in everyone&#039;s best interest to keep on top of their beneficiary designations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dana @ #43 and everyone else:  You can ***always*** change your beneficiary designations, no matter how your retirement funds are held and no matter who manages them.  If you get divorced, or have any other major life change, you should change your beneficiary designations immediately so that if anything should happen to you, the right person (that you want to inherit) will receive your 401(k) or 403(b) or IRA funds.  (Note that if you are married, and live in a community property state, there are specific requirements you and your spouse must meet if you want to name someone other than your spouse as beneficiary.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s in everyone&#8217;s best interest to keep on top of their beneficiary designations.</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1164392</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before rolling it over into your new job&#039;s 401K, take a careful look at it.  My new job has vanguard funds But they run them through another Financial  company for some reason. The results?  An expense ration of .44 becomes 1.34! I have no idea Why but figure someone in hq has a brother selling that program for john Hancock..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before rolling it over into your new job&#8217;s 401K, take a careful look at it.  My new job has vanguard funds But they run them through another Financial  company for some reason. The results?  An expense ration of .44 becomes 1.34! I have no idea Why but figure someone in hq has a brother selling that program for john Hancock..</p>
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		<title>By: MutantSuperModel</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1164352</link>
		<dc:creator>MutantSuperModel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 15:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I literally just did this less than two weeks ago. Rollover IRA all the way. My new plan&#039;s options (403-b with Fidelity) are way limited and I&#039;m not thrilled with the choices, my old plan&#039;s (401k with Fidelity)options were MUCH better. My personal IRA really opened things up and I love it. Not to mention, your personal IRA gives you control. Not a week after I made my decision, my employer announced they are &quot;streamlining&quot; their 403-b investment options even more than they already are. If it&#039;s your IRA, they can&#039;t do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I literally just did this less than two weeks ago. Rollover IRA all the way. My new plan&#8217;s options (403-b with Fidelity) are way limited and I&#8217;m not thrilled with the choices, my old plan&#8217;s (401k with Fidelity)options were MUCH better. My personal IRA really opened things up and I love it. Not to mention, your personal IRA gives you control. Not a week after I made my decision, my employer announced they are &#8220;streamlining&#8221; their 403-b investment options even more than they already are. If it&#8217;s your IRA, they can&#8217;t do that.</p>
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		<title>By: babysteps</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1164292</link>
		<dc:creator>babysteps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 15:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another option, which could help if you are really concerned with retaining the 401k protections vs IRA - you may be able to set up a small company 401k if you have or establish a company.  

However I&#039;m assuming the fees would be high (especially if you don&#039;t otherwise have a company set up).  You would have to decide if the higher fee level and paperwork vs. IRA is warranted by the ERISA protections of 401k (that IRAs don&#039;t have).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another option, which could help if you are really concerned with retaining the 401k protections vs IRA &#8211; you may be able to set up a small company 401k if you have or establish a company.  </p>
<p>However I&#8217;m assuming the fees would be high (especially if you don&#8217;t otherwise have a company set up).  You would have to decide if the higher fee level and paperwork vs. IRA is warranted by the ERISA protections of 401k (that IRAs don&#8217;t have).</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1164122</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 14:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If an IRA is the only investment you&#039;re using for retirement, there is a $5,000 annual limit. When I do the math, if I contribute to that for 40 years, that&#039;s $200,000 (not counting accumulated interest)...hardly enough to retire on. What are people without additional retirement accounts (401k, 403b, etc) doing if this is the amount you&#039;re looking at to retire on. It&#039;s better than nothing, but I&#039;m figuring I need at least a million to retire with to be sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If an IRA is the only investment you&#8217;re using for retirement, there is a $5,000 annual limit. When I do the math, if I contribute to that for 40 years, that&#8217;s $200,000 (not counting accumulated interest)&#8230;hardly enough to retire on. What are people without additional retirement accounts (401k, 403b, etc) doing if this is the amount you&#8217;re looking at to retire on. It&#8217;s better than nothing, but I&#8217;m figuring I need at least a million to retire with to be sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1162712</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 02:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure where you got 28% for a 401(k) distribution - you will be taxed at your marginal tax rate which could be anything from 0-35% Federal depending on your other taxable income. Don&#039;t forget to add state tax in the mix.

Also you never mentioned that age plays a huge part in any distribution decision and how it is subsequently taxed.

I usually advise my clients to roll it over to an IRA as soon as possible. It just gives you more control and flexibility and 99 times out of 100 the expenses are lower since there isn&#039;t that third party taking their cut for administering the retirement plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure where you got 28% for a 401(k) distribution &#8211; you will be taxed at your marginal tax rate which could be anything from 0-35% Federal depending on your other taxable income. Don&#8217;t forget to add state tax in the mix.</p>
<p>Also you never mentioned that age plays a huge part in any distribution decision and how it is subsequently taxed.</p>
<p>I usually advise my clients to roll it over to an IRA as soon as possible. It just gives you more control and flexibility and 99 times out of 100 the expenses are lower since there isn&#8217;t that third party taking their cut for administering the retirement plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1162272</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, great site.

Here is Australia it&#039;s pretty much locked until retirement age (65). Unless you are terminally ill or worse you cannot access your superannuation. I previously worked for the Fed Govt and a downside to that is that they do not allow the transfer of my account to my new one. I also am not allowed to add to it. This means at age 29 I have $50k locked in the Govt account! I would have preferred to roll it over into my new account but it is trapped there to &#039;protect&#039; us. Now at 32 I&#039;ve had to start again only just now getting it up to $20k with a separate provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, great site.</p>
<p>Here is Australia it&#8217;s pretty much locked until retirement age (65). Unless you are terminally ill or worse you cannot access your superannuation. I previously worked for the Fed Govt and a downside to that is that they do not allow the transfer of my account to my new one. I also am not allowed to add to it. This means at age 29 I have $50k locked in the Govt account! I would have preferred to roll it over into my new account but it is trapped there to &#8216;protect&#8217; us. Now at 32 I&#8217;ve had to start again only just now getting it up to $20k with a separate provider.</p>
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		<title>By: bella</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1162022</link>
		<dc:creator>bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought I would chime in to my experience. When my job changed employers a few years ago I had a 401k and a pension to consider rolling over. My 401k was managed by re same co as my new 401k so it was easy to keep it. Both come up when I log into fidelity but the options are different. More choices and no good reason to move it. I did roll my pension over to a ira in order to &#039;test out&#039; a financial advisor. He&#039;s done okay. But not so good that I want to move my 401k over. Getting the pension away from my old employer was a hassle but at least if they go out of business I already have my money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I would chime in to my experience. When my job changed employers a few years ago I had a 401k and a pension to consider rolling over. My 401k was managed by re same co as my new 401k so it was easy to keep it. Both come up when I log into fidelity but the options are different. More choices and no good reason to move it. I did roll my pension over to a ira in order to &#8216;test out&#8217; a financial advisor. He&#8217;s done okay. But not so good that I want to move my 401k over. Getting the pension away from my old employer was a hassle but at least if they go out of business I already have my money.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara: &quot;without consulting me they just decided to cash it out and add to my tax burden&quot;.  I believe you can take that check and send it to a new IRA provider.  As long as you do it within 60 days  it&#039;s considered a rollover and you aren&#039;t taxed.  See: http://www.money-zine.com/Financial-Planning/Retirement/401k-Rollover/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara: &#8220;without consulting me they just decided to cash it out and add to my tax burden&#8221;.  I believe you can take that check and send it to a new IRA provider.  As long as you do it within 60 days  it&#8217;s considered a rollover and you aren&#8217;t taxed.  See: <a href="http://www.money-zine.com/Financial-Planning/Retirement/401k-Rollover/" rel="nofollow">http://www.money-zine.com/Financial-Planning/Retirement/401k-Rollover/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some good 401(k) plans out there, but they tend to be the exception rather than the rule. Most 401(k) plans pass costs onto the employee in the form of a percentage of assets fee, and worse many of them make it hard to even find out what the fees are. Often the HR department is not smart enough to know about the fees for the 401(k)t they themselves supposedly researched and set up!

If you don&#039;t know how to tell if your 401(k) is better than average, just assume it&#039;s not and roll over into an IRA as soon as possible.

I have one old 401(k) at a previous, large employer with a good plan (better than what I can get on my own). All my other 401(k)s I have rolled over into one rollover IRA. I keep it separate from my other IRA assets just in case I ever have another good plan, but I&#039;m not holding my breath.

To those rolling over into an HSA - not only are you using up your HSA contribution for the year, but you are not getting social security and medicare taxes deducted for the contribution.

@Jan - the choices are pretty much the same for 403(b)&#039;s as they are for 401(k)&#039;s. Leave it there, cash it out, roll it over to new employer&#039;s plan or roll it over to IRA. The last choice is still the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some good 401(k) plans out there, but they tend to be the exception rather than the rule. Most 401(k) plans pass costs onto the employee in the form of a percentage of assets fee, and worse many of them make it hard to even find out what the fees are. Often the HR department is not smart enough to know about the fees for the 401(k)t they themselves supposedly researched and set up!</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know how to tell if your 401(k) is better than average, just assume it&#8217;s not and roll over into an IRA as soon as possible.</p>
<p>I have one old 401(k) at a previous, large employer with a good plan (better than what I can get on my own). All my other 401(k)s I have rolled over into one rollover IRA. I keep it separate from my other IRA assets just in case I ever have another good plan, but I&#8217;m not holding my breath.</p>
<p>To those rolling over into an HSA &#8211; not only are you using up your HSA contribution for the year, but you are not getting social security and medicare taxes deducted for the contribution.</p>
<p>@Jan &#8211; the choices are pretty much the same for 403(b)&#8217;s as they are for 401(k)&#8217;s. Leave it there, cash it out, roll it over to new employer&#8217;s plan or roll it over to IRA. The last choice is still the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know how to handle a 403B?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know how to handle a 403B?</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, 

IRA&#039;s are protected from bankruptcy at the federal level.   The 2005 bankruptcy reform law explicitly extended coverage to 403b and IRA for $1M and any monies rolled over from a ERISA fund.  The Supreme Court also ruled that IRAs are protected from bankruptcy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, </p>
<p>IRA&#8217;s are protected from bankruptcy at the federal level.   The 2005 bankruptcy reform law explicitly extended coverage to 403b and IRA for $1M and any monies rolled over from a ERISA fund.  The Supreme Court also ruled that IRAs are protected from bankruptcy.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-2/#comment-1161862</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think in general you&#039;ll be better off with a good IRA.   Employer 401k plans usually have very limited investment options and can have relatively high fees.  Its not unusual for 401k fees to add up to 1-2% of assets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think in general you&#8217;ll be better off with a good IRA.   Employer 401k plans usually have very limited investment options and can have relatively high fees.  Its not unusual for 401k fees to add up to 1-2% of assets.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it true that when you retire and pull the money from your IRA that you will be taxed on it. Wouldn&#039;t it be better to pull your money now and invest it in insurance contracts? With insurance contracts, you can take a loan out on it and it will not be taxed because it is a loan and therefore not taxable income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it true that when you retire and pull the money from your IRA that you will be taxed on it. Wouldn&#8217;t it be better to pull your money now and invest it in insurance contracts? With insurance contracts, you can take a loan out on it and it will not be taxed because it is a loan and therefore not taxable income.</p>
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		<title>By: mary w</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-1161752</link>
		<dc:creator>mary w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two other things to consider: 

You can borrow from a 401(k) but not an IRA;
401(k)s are protected from bankruptcy but IRAs may not be (state law applies to IRAs)

Generic advice: roll to new 401(k) if you are happy with the choices and fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two other things to consider: </p>
<p>You can borrow from a 401(k) but not an IRA;<br />
401(k)s are protected from bankruptcy but IRAs may not be (state law applies to IRAs)</p>
<p>Generic advice: roll to new 401(k) if you are happy with the choices and fees.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-1161722</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WARNING ABOUT ROTH IRA ROLLOVERS
Sierra mentioned a warning, but I don&#039;t think it was strong enough!  See a tax professional BEFORE rolling to a Roth IRA.  You pay tax on the whole amount at your tax rate.  This money generally can&#039;t come out of the amount you roll.  *unless you take out some of it and pay the tax and penalty on that*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WARNING ABOUT ROTH IRA ROLLOVERS<br />
Sierra mentioned a warning, but I don&#8217;t think it was strong enough!  See a tax professional BEFORE rolling to a Roth IRA.  You pay tax on the whole amount at your tax rate.  This money generally can&#8217;t come out of the amount you roll.  *unless you take out some of it and pay the tax and penalty on that*</p>
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		<title>By: April Dykman</title>
		<link>http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/02/08/what-to-do-with-an-old-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-1161672</link>
		<dc:creator>April Dykman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys--this is staff writer April. I&#039;ve just fished out a dozen comments from the spam folder, so be patient with me if your comment didn&#039;t show when you posted it.

J.D. is probably a lot faster at sorting through the slew of spam!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys&#8211;this is staff writer April. I&#8217;ve just fished out a dozen comments from the spam folder, so be patient with me if your comment didn&#8217;t show when you posted it.</p>
<p>J.D. is probably a lot faster at sorting through the slew of spam!</p>
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		<title>By: Bre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is an IRA as judgment proof and bankruptcy proof as a 401k? I don&#039;t think IRAs are covered by ERISA. If not I&#039;d leave it in a 401k - either with the old employer or roll it over to the new employer&#039;s 401k.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is an IRA as judgment proof and bankruptcy proof as a 401k? I don&#8217;t think IRAs are covered by ERISA. If not I&#8217;d leave it in a 401k &#8211; either with the old employer or roll it over to the new employer&#8217;s 401k.</p>
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		<title>By: brooklyn money</title>
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		<dc:creator>brooklyn money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not very good advice, nor does the author explore the factors that someone should consider when making the decision. 401Ks generally have much higher (and very opaque) fees with less investment options. My 401K has no ETFs, just mutual funds. Why limit yourself? Also, the author didn&#039;t touch upon other factors to consider, such as the legal protections available for each type of investment. In some states IRAs are up for grabs in the event of a personal liability suit but 401Ks are not (they are protected by ERISA), but it varies. If you are close to retirement there&#039;s also the withdrawal rules/min. distribution to consider, as they differ. And I believe it is easier to borrow from an IRA versus a 401K; there are different rules for each, so another factor to consider that the author did not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not very good advice, nor does the author explore the factors that someone should consider when making the decision. 401Ks generally have much higher (and very opaque) fees with less investment options. My 401K has no ETFs, just mutual funds. Why limit yourself? Also, the author didn&#8217;t touch upon other factors to consider, such as the legal protections available for each type of investment. In some states IRAs are up for grabs in the event of a personal liability suit but 401Ks are not (they are protected by ERISA), but it varies. If you are close to retirement there&#8217;s also the withdrawal rules/min. distribution to consider, as they differ. And I believe it is easier to borrow from an IRA versus a 401K; there are different rules for each, so another factor to consider that the author did not.</p>
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		<title>By: chacha1</title>
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		<dc:creator>chacha1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also roll funds from a regular IRA to a Health Savings Account.  I recently uncluttered my retirement accounts (had a big old 401k sitting around, a smaller rollover IRA from a previous 401k, a little bitty Roth IRA, a new 401k at my new job, and the HSA).

I rolled the old 401k and the rollover IRA into the new 401k, and the Roth IRA into the HSA.  From five accounts to two.  There was a maximum I was allowed to move from the Roth IRA to the HSA, but the amount left over in the Roth IRA was less than the amount I had contributed, so I was able to cash that out without penalty.  And used it to pay off a credit card.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also roll funds from a regular IRA to a Health Savings Account.  I recently uncluttered my retirement accounts (had a big old 401k sitting around, a smaller rollover IRA from a previous 401k, a little bitty Roth IRA, a new 401k at my new job, and the HSA).</p>
<p>I rolled the old 401k and the rollover IRA into the new 401k, and the Roth IRA into the HSA.  From five accounts to two.  There was a maximum I was allowed to move from the Roth IRA to the HSA, but the amount left over in the Roth IRA was less than the amount I had contributed, so I was able to cash that out without penalty.  And used it to pay off a credit card.  <img src='http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dana Twight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Twight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just rolled over my last 401k plan into my ROTH IRA, in order to take advantage of the two year averaging for 2011 and 2012. (Sorry, you had to make this transaction by the end of 2010). One reason was to take control as others have said, an(annual fee is now a smaller percentage of the total) other was to boost the size of my ROTH account and lastly, now I can invest it how I wish.

Plus this way you can ensure that your account beneficiaries are up to date. What if your old 401k beneficiary was your former spouse-and you no longer wish them to inherit upon your death?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just rolled over my last 401k plan into my ROTH IRA, in order to take advantage of the two year averaging for 2011 and 2012. (Sorry, you had to make this transaction by the end of 2010). One reason was to take control as others have said, an(annual fee is now a smaller percentage of the total) other was to boost the size of my ROTH account and lastly, now I can invest it how I wish.</p>
<p>Plus this way you can ensure that your account beneficiaries are up to date. What if your old 401k beneficiary was your former spouse-and you no longer wish them to inherit upon your death?</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Karaszewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Karaszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could someone with one of these 401ks with crappy investment options list the options they&#039;re actually given? Mine has always seemed pretty reasonable.

My 401k is invested in:
Spartan 500 Index - Investor Class (FUSEX)
Oppenheimer Developing Markets Fund Class Y (ODVYX)
Spartan International Index Fund - Investor Class (FSIIX)

There are about 30 available investments, including the domestic and international index funds above. Do I just have a really good 401k, or am I naively missing out on something else? Ours is through Fidelity, so I&#039;d figure a lot of other people would have similar plans, I&#039;m sure there are lots of Fidelity 401ks out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone with one of these 401ks with crappy investment options list the options they&#8217;re actually given? Mine has always seemed pretty reasonable.</p>
<p>My 401k is invested in:<br />
Spartan 500 Index &#8211; Investor Class (FUSEX)<br />
Oppenheimer Developing Markets Fund Class Y (ODVYX)<br />
Spartan International Index Fund &#8211; Investor Class (FSIIX)</p>
<p>There are about 30 available investments, including the domestic and international index funds above. Do I just have a really good 401k, or am I naively missing out on something else? Ours is through Fidelity, so I&#8217;d figure a lot of other people would have similar plans, I&#8217;m sure there are lots of Fidelity 401ks out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Meg (#9) 
The Thrift Savings Plan is considered to be the best defined contribution plan (i.e. 401k) available.  This is because the funds in it are much cheaper than funds offered anywhere else.  You should seriously consider leaving your money in your TSP even after you leave that employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Meg (#9)<br />
The Thrift Savings Plan is considered to be the best defined contribution plan (i.e. 401k) available.  This is because the funds in it are much cheaper than funds offered anywhere else.  You should seriously consider leaving your money in your TSP even after you leave that employer.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Meg #9:

Check your options before moving money from the TSP account.  I read that those funds are some of the best managed and wish I left my money there after leaving work with the feds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Meg #9:</p>
<p>Check your options before moving money from the TSP account.  I read that those funds are some of the best managed and wish I left my money there after leaving work with the feds.</p>
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		<title>By: retirebyforty</title>
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		<dc:creator>retirebyforty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would roll over into an IRA at a discount broker. This would give you unlimited choices on your investments. You can buy low cost ETF, individual stocks and many other products. 

Don&#039;t roll it over to a new employer&#039;s 401k. Most 401k plans are very restricted in their investment choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would roll over into an IRA at a discount broker. This would give you unlimited choices on your investments. You can buy low cost ETF, individual stocks and many other products. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t roll it over to a new employer&#8217;s 401k. Most 401k plans are very restricted in their investment choices.</p>
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