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	<title>Comments on: The Tao of the Dow: All About Stock Market Indexes</title>
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		<title>By: Macke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dow industrial index is antiquated and only of historical interest, nothing more.

Most other stock indices are much better constructed and useful as a benchmark index, including the S&amp;P 500. While S&amp;P 500 does only capture about 75% of the stock market it is pretty much indistinguishable from a total stock market, so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dow industrial index is antiquated and only of historical interest, nothing more.</p>
<p>Most other stock indices are much better constructed and useful as a benchmark index, including the S&amp;P 500. While S&amp;P 500 does only capture about 75% of the stock market it is pretty much indistinguishable from a total stock market, so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how people are concerned with the fact that the Dow has a &quot;made-up/magical&quot; factor to it... yet the very stocks (and the indexes that are based on them) are subject to arbitrary speculation and opinion. People seem to forget, with all this math, that a stock price is the &quot;opinion&quot; of the companies worth! An opinion by a mass mob of people who on a daily basis buy and sell the stock (either directly or thru funds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how people are concerned with the fact that the Dow has a &#8220;made-up/magical&#8221; factor to it&#8230; yet the very stocks (and the indexes that are based on them) are subject to arbitrary speculation and opinion. People seem to forget, with all this math, that a stock price is the &#8220;opinion&#8221; of the companies worth! An opinion by a mass mob of people who on a daily basis buy and sell the stock (either directly or thru funds).</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The S&amp;P 500 is actually weighted by market cap--meaning the higher the value of the company, the more weight it gets in the index. Big companies like Exxon and GE count more toward the total value of the index. Basically it&#039;s total value of the companies involved instead of a sum of the prices. 

And again there is a divisor involved so that changes that don&#039;t reflect changes in underlying company values don&#039;t result in changes to the index&#039;s value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The S&amp;P 500 is actually weighted by market cap&#8211;meaning the higher the value of the company, the more weight it gets in the index. Big companies like Exxon and GE count more toward the total value of the index. Basically it&#8217;s total value of the companies involved instead of a sum of the prices. </p>
<p>And again there is a divisor involved so that changes that don&#8217;t reflect changes in underlying company values don&#8217;t result in changes to the index&#8217;s value.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in finance.  Let&#039;s look at data from the CME from yesterday (the 23rd) to illustrate my point.  

The number of futures traded in the Dow (YM): 158,225

Wow, that&#039;s a lot!  Except that

The number of futures traded in the S&amp;P 500 (ES): 3,079,148.

The volume in S&amp;P 500 futures is ~ 20 times that of the Dow futures.  Yet every time you turn on CNBC or what have you, the Dow is getting way more attention than the S&amp;P 500.  Why is this?  I don&#039;t know, but it&#039;s pretty damn silly.

Listen, the divisor for the Dow is arbitrary.  Adding or removing companies for the Dow is arbitrary.  Furthermore, it&#039;s a price weighted index, which makes very little sense.  IBM and Microsoft are both in the Dow.  IBM has a stock price of $160 and a market cap of $200 billion.  Microsoft has a stock price of $27 and a market cap of $225 billion.  Microsoft is a bigger company than IBM, but because IBM has a larger stock price, IBM has more weighting in the Dow.  If IBM is up 10%, the Dow will be up more than if Microsoft is up 10%, even though Microsoft is the bigger company.  THIS DOESN&#039;T MAKE SENSE.  The S&amp;P 500 does not partake in this nonsense and is market cap weighted.

Whenever someone is talking to me about the economy or whatever and they start referencing the Dow, I turn my brain off.  In the financial world, it is a very unimportant index and I don&#039;t really understand why the media treats it as a barometer for the economy instead of its more important big brother, the S&amp;P 500.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in finance.  Let&#8217;s look at data from the CME from yesterday (the 23rd) to illustrate my point.  </p>
<p>The number of futures traded in the Dow (YM): 158,225</p>
<p>Wow, that&#8217;s a lot!  Except that</p>
<p>The number of futures traded in the S&amp;P 500 (ES): 3,079,148.</p>
<p>The volume in S&amp;P 500 futures is ~ 20 times that of the Dow futures.  Yet every time you turn on CNBC or what have you, the Dow is getting way more attention than the S&amp;P 500.  Why is this?  I don&#8217;t know, but it&#8217;s pretty damn silly.</p>
<p>Listen, the divisor for the Dow is arbitrary.  Adding or removing companies for the Dow is arbitrary.  Furthermore, it&#8217;s a price weighted index, which makes very little sense.  IBM and Microsoft are both in the Dow.  IBM has a stock price of $160 and a market cap of $200 billion.  Microsoft has a stock price of $27 and a market cap of $225 billion.  Microsoft is a bigger company than IBM, but because IBM has a larger stock price, IBM has more weighting in the Dow.  If IBM is up 10%, the Dow will be up more than if Microsoft is up 10%, even though Microsoft is the bigger company.  THIS DOESN&#8217;T MAKE SENSE.  The S&amp;P 500 does not partake in this nonsense and is market cap weighted.</p>
<p>Whenever someone is talking to me about the economy or whatever and they start referencing the Dow, I turn my brain off.  In the financial world, it is a very unimportant index and I don&#8217;t really understand why the media treats it as a barometer for the economy instead of its more important big brother, the S&amp;P 500.</p>
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		<title>By: indio</title>
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		<dc:creator>indio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the rhyming in the post title. Merriam Webster has three definitions for Tao, but the first one is most relevant -- 1a : the unconditional and unknowable source and guiding principle of all reality as conceived by Taoists. The &quot;unknowable&quot; part is applicable to that auto-magically selected divisor number. Sometimes it feels as if my 401k is overwhelmed by the &quot;reality&quot; of the stock market, especially when it takes repetitive market hits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the rhyming in the post title. Merriam Webster has three definitions for Tao, but the first one is most relevant &#8212; 1a : the unconditional and unknowable source and guiding principle of all reality as conceived by Taoists. The &#8220;unknowable&#8221; part is applicable to that auto-magically selected divisor number. Sometimes it feels as if my 401k is overwhelmed by the &#8220;reality&#8221; of the stock market, especially when it takes repetitive market hits.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an idea that the S&amp;P 500 had to do with 500 companies... but had no clue that the Dow tracked so few. 

I also am interested further in the &#039;magic&#039; to get the divisor, but thank you for this article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an idea that the S&amp;P 500 had to do with 500 companies&#8230; but had no clue that the Dow tracked so few. </p>
<p>I also am interested further in the &#8216;magic&#8217; to get the divisor, but thank you for this article!</p>
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		<title>By: Psul Puckett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psul Puckett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think MP Dunleavey did a very good job in attempting to explain the Dow.  The bottom line is that a thirty stock index is increasingly irrelevant to investors.  There are many indices, and I agree a bit with the Rick Ferri quote in the linked article about unnecessary indices, but I would recommend investors consider the S&amp;P 1500, or Russell 3000, or Wilshire 5000.  All three include mid-cap and small-cap companies.  You also should follow the MSCI EAFE for International and the MSCI EM for emerging markets.  

Performance measured against the S&amp;P 500 only makes sense if all of your investments are in US Large Cap stocks.  Highly recommend the linked article that goes into additional detail, but, as usual, Get Rich Slowly offers a solid thoughtful guest post on the meaning of the most widely reported index.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think MP Dunleavey did a very good job in attempting to explain the Dow.  The bottom line is that a thirty stock index is increasingly irrelevant to investors.  There are many indices, and I agree a bit with the Rick Ferri quote in the linked article about unnecessary indices, but I would recommend investors consider the S&amp;P 1500, or Russell 3000, or Wilshire 5000.  All three include mid-cap and small-cap companies.  You also should follow the MSCI EAFE for International and the MSCI EM for emerging markets.  </p>
<p>Performance measured against the S&amp;P 500 only makes sense if all of your investments are in US Large Cap stocks.  Highly recommend the linked article that goes into additional detail, but, as usual, Get Rich Slowly offers a solid thoughtful guest post on the meaning of the most widely reported index.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Friedberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Friedberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the DOW is a very popular metric, in reality it&#039;s not very representative of the entire universe of stocks, since it is heavily weighted by co. size and only includes 30 companies. The S &amp; P in general is a much more reliable index.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the DOW is a very popular metric, in reality it&#8217;s not very representative of the entire universe of stocks, since it is heavily weighted by co. size and only includes 30 companies. The S &amp; P in general is a much more reliable index.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Joe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joe!</p>
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		<title>By: retirebyforty</title>
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		<dc:creator>retirebyforty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to know. Jeez, I&#039;m a terrible investor, didn&#039;t even know what 12,000 DJ average mean. Actually the &quot;Average&quot; should have alerted me that it was weighted. 

Is the SP500 weighted too? I thought it just add up all the stock price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know. Jeez, I&#8217;m a terrible investor, didn&#8217;t even know what 12,000 DJ average mean. Actually the &#8220;Average&#8221; should have alerted me that it was weighted. </p>
<p>Is the SP500 weighted too? I thought it just add up all the stock price.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good primer.  I always wondered where the number came from.

I&#039;d also be interested to know more of the &quot;yada yada yada&quot; between adding up the prices and then dividing by the &quot;divisor&quot; but I assume the explanation is pretty tedious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good primer.  I always wondered where the number came from.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also be interested to know more of the &#8220;yada yada yada&#8221; between adding up the prices and then dividing by the &#8220;divisor&#8221; but I assume the explanation is pretty tedious?</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what I learned: DJIA goes up   = good
                       DJIA goes down = bad

In other words, I echo the confusion above.
Where&#039;d the divisor come from, for example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I learned: DJIA goes up   = good<br />
                       DJIA goes down = bad</p>
<p>In other words, I echo the confusion above.<br />
Where&#8217;d the divisor come from, for example?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More info on the divisor... but basically the &quot;magic&quot; is a number that they use to keep changes in the underlying stocks (eg. new company, split, etc.) from affecting the index overall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJIA_divisor

When a stock splits, the company says if you have x shares of our stock, you now have y. and the value of each share is adjusted to x/y. So a 2:1 (y:x) split cuts the price of the share in half. (more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_split )

To simplify it, lets say every single stock in the index splits 2:1, so the price of the shares is cut in half. If there was no divisor the index would be cut in half as well, but that would be misleading, since the value of the companies in the index didn&#039;t get cut in half. The divisor is used to compensate for this, so the divisor is adjusted (in this case, cut in half) so the index remains constant before and after the split. The same thing applies to when they swap out companies in the index, the divisor is adjusted to keep the index at the same level as it was before the swap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More info on the divisor&#8230; but basically the &#8220;magic&#8221; is a number that they use to keep changes in the underlying stocks (eg. new company, split, etc.) from affecting the index overall.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJIA_divisor" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJIA_divisor</a></p>
<p>When a stock splits, the company says if you have x shares of our stock, you now have y. and the value of each share is adjusted to x/y. So a 2:1 (y:x) split cuts the price of the share in half. (more here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_split" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_split</a> )</p>
<p>To simplify it, lets say every single stock in the index splits 2:1, so the price of the shares is cut in half. If there was no divisor the index would be cut in half as well, but that would be misleading, since the value of the companies in the index didn&#8217;t get cut in half. The divisor is used to compensate for this, so the divisor is adjusted (in this case, cut in half) so the index remains constant before and after the split. The same thing applies to when they swap out companies in the index, the divisor is adjusted to keep the index at the same level as it was before the swap.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  I feel smarter now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  I feel smarter now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Karaszewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Karaszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here’s what the 12,000 means: the DIJA is calculated now by adding up the daily stock price of each of the 30 companies, and then dividing it by a fractional amount known as the divisor, which takes into account stock splits and other adjustments. Today the divisor is about 0.132129493.&quot;

Least-explanatory explanation ever. Might as well say, &quot;we add up the stock price of all the included companies, apply magic, and there&#039;s 12,000, which is your DJIA.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here’s what the 12,000 means: the DIJA is calculated now by adding up the daily stock price of each of the 30 companies, and then dividing it by a fractional amount known as the divisor, which takes into account stock splits and other adjustments. Today the divisor is about 0.132129493.&#8221;</p>
<p>Least-explanatory explanation ever. Might as well say, &#8220;we add up the stock price of all the included companies, apply magic, and there&#8217;s 12,000, which is your DJIA.&#8221;</p>
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