This guest post from Louisa Rogers is part of the “reader stories” feature at Get Rich Slowly. Some stories contain general advice; others are examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. These stories feature folks from all levels of financial maturity and with all sorts of incomes. Louisa Rogers is a consultant who provides leadership, management, and communication coaching and training to businesses here, there, and yonder. Previously at GRS, Louisa told us what it’s like to have even better than enough and described how she’s getting a fresh start on the path to prosperity.
In 2006, my husband and I bought a house in the center of Guanajuato, a city in Mexico’s Central Highlands, where we live about one-third of the year. We didn’t buy the house because it’s a cheaper place to live; we were motivated because we’d been visiting this town for five years and fell in love with it anew every time we came. Despite the fact that we live pretty simply in the States, it’s less expensive in Guanajuato. Here are some of the ways we save.
Transport. We’re happy not to have a car in Mexico. We walk everywhere: to do errands, visit friends, go out for coffee, shop. Numerous small groceries, mom ‘n’ pop shops, bakeries, and coffee shops are located within a few minutes’ walk of our home. When I buy groceries, I only buy as much as I can carry in my backpack. If I need more, I go out again later, or the next day. Walking is always a pleasure — and even an inspiration — because the town is so colorful and lively and many areas are pedestrian-only. We live on one of Guanajuato’s many traffic-free callejones (alleys). Buses and economical taxis are also available for longer distances.
Guanajuato is located in a valley. Wherever I am in town, I feel like I’m in a big salad bowl of houses, colonial buildings, and churches the color of fruit — mango, watermelon, lemon, kiwi. Because of the city’s topography and its steep, narrow alleys, foreigners with cars either have to live in the suburbs or park their cars in expensive garages (often located on the other side of town).
In Eureka, on California’s North Coast, where we live the rest of the year, we have a 1989 Mazda Miata, bought secondhand, and an even older camper van. In town, we walk or bicycle as much as possible, but even without driving everyday, owning two vehicles is still expensive. It’s also more of an effort to walk in Eureka, because there’s nowhere near as much life and joy on the street.
Food. We eat a bit less in Mexico, because it’s warmer, and because we’ve adopted the local style of having our comida (the single main meal) around 2:00 p.m. Vegetables, fruit, beans, and rice, which make up a lot of our diet, are plentiful and inexpensive. We have three gas burners, a toaster-oven, and a microwave. Ovens are rare in Mexico. One downside of cooking is that we have to disinfect all vegetables in a weak solution of iodine before cooking, which takes about ten minutes.
Fitness. In Eureka, I pay to belong to a gym. One great advantage of Guanajuato is that the topography and elevation (almost 7000 feet) conspire to keep us fit. Between walking around town, climbing the hills surrounding the city two or three times a week (all of which are accessible by foot from our house), and doing bodyweight/kettlebell exercises at home, I stay in shape almost effortlessly. We brought our older bicycles down, and we cycle recreationally on Sundays, but due to the tangle of steps, ramps, alleys, steep inclines, unexpected drop-offs and other obstacles in Guanajuato, we don’t use the bikes for practical errands the way we do in California.
Purchases. We tend to spend less on purchases in Mexico than in the U.S. For instance, I buy fewer clothes and books. I satisfy my English-language reading needs mainly online. I buy Mexican newspapers and magazines from time to time.
Heating. We don’t pay for heat in Guanajuato, whereas it’s a big expense in Eureka. In winter, Guanajuato can be cool in the early mornings and evenings, but we just layer up and dress warmly, whereas in damp, chilly Eureka, we can’t get by in winter (or even in other seasons of the year at times!) with just an extra sweater.
House taxes. Part of our rent in California goes toward our landlord paying house taxes, whereas in Guanajuato, we only pay about $50 tax annually.
Services. We spent three years remodeling our Mexico house, using the services of a real-estate attorney, architect, carpenters, electricians, metal workers, and painters. We completed the remodel about two years ago, but maintenance is an ongoing issue in our old adobe house. Last fall, our maintenance man, Juan, spent the best part of a day digging up and replacing part of our sewage pipe, which had gotten clogged. He charged $45 for a messy, difficult job, although we were more than happy to add a substantial tip. Ernesto, a metal worker, recently built and installed two new window frames for the bargain price of $100. We pay more for services than products in Mexico, but they’re rarely costly.
Daily life. In Mexico, my life is focused more on the basics: disinfecting vegetables, cooking, hanging clothes on the line, sweeping, walking. When U.S. friends ask me how I spend time in Mexico, I say, “Life itself takes more time.” I don’t resent it. Focusing on simple, concrete activities is deeply satisfying. In Eureka, on the other hand, I’m very work-focused. I love my work, which is training and coaching managers and leaders, but it does feel more mental and abstract than do my activities in Mexico.
Entertainment. The University of Guanajuato has a professional orchestra that offers weekly symphonies at a cost of about $5, held at a concert hall five minutes from our home. Many national and international concerts and performances are offered year-round, rarely for more than about $8. Popular movies cost $3, and a city film club offers international artsy films with sub-titles at similar prices.
Travel. When we explore other parts of Mexico, we travel in comfortable and reasonably-priced buses, and stay at hotels that rarely cost more than $35 a night.
Not everything in Mexico is cheaper, of course. Furnishing our home cost more than it ever did in the U.S. because secondhand furniture is much less common in Mexico. Mexicans don’t upgrade or get rid of stuff as often as Americans, and when they do, they usually pass on their old item to another family member. We couldn’t find desks for sale, new or used, so we hired a local carpenter to build desks and a dining room table.
Another expense in Mexico is Spanish classes, a cost we don’t have in the U.S. But at the price of $10 an hour (or less) for a private tutor, it’s not going to break the bank, and is well worth it, not only because our teachers help us improve our Spanish, but because they become our friends.
Saving money is a fringe benefit of living in Mexico, but as I said, it wasn’t what motivated us to buy our house. While it’s true our day-to-day costs are less than in California, there are so many other attractions of life in Mexico that delight us. The sense of vitality and energy on the streets, the beauty of the city, the thrill of mastering another language, the pleasure in making Mexican friends, the challenge of understanding a culture so radically different from our own…the list goes on and on. Every time I re-enter the city after a time away, I see the high rock walls again and the colors of houses, and I shiver with anticipation.
At this point, we’re not ready to move full-time to Mexico mainly because of my work in California. Meanwhile, we appreciate the contrast between our Mexican and U.S. lives: sea level vs. highlands; overcast vs. sunshine; English vs. Spanish; kayaking the bay vs. hiking the hills…we’re graced with the best of both worlds.
First photo of Guanajuato by conejoazul. Second photo by Irene Soria.
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Thank-you for the elegant reminder that despite the bad things we hear on the news, most of Mexico is a wonderful, safe place to visit or live.
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Some of us live in communities similar to Guanajuato here in the U.S.–good public transport, cheap, fresh food grown nearby, lots of hills to climb, modest amounts of basic shopping. But I can’t manage to live that simple life of just caring for my basic needs here.
Part of it is the more than $5000 a year in property taxes I pay on a house valued under $200,000 (welcome to NY). But some of it is also the expectation of what an American life is supposed to look like.
We can live the kind of life Louisa describes when we’re not in a hurry to get to work or have appointments or otherwise fill our time with busy-ness.
I wonder if anyone can suggest a way to bring a little bit of Guanajuato into our lives here?
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I wonder if you took the same approach in the US if you would be just as happy. Living in the heart of a small town. Hanging clothes, walking to the market, going to the(often free) concerts in parks.
My sister moved to Tucson- downsized to an adobe in a small community. She is happier than she has ever been—AND she is spending a ton less by living simply.
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Very interesting article. I think the expectations of living in American society sometimes make it hard to live a simpler life-and I do NOT mean financial expectations, but the expectations to be available all the time through cell-phones or computers, the expectations to be busy because that makes your life somehow more “worthwhile.”
Good article-I did have to laugh though about her complaints about the Northern California climate. I’m from the West Coast originally, and now live in the Midwest for graduate school-I would LOVE to live in the “chilly, damp” N. California climate, vs. the frigid, miserable winters of the Midwest…
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I spent a summer in Mexico when I was 5. It doesn’t look like it’s changed much, though I hope the smell is better in town. I am definitely grateful for clean water in the US… it amazes me that 30 years have passed and water still needs to be sanitized before using.
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Sounds like the city would be a great place for winter months! The culture and warm weather alone would make it worth considering.
But how does one “disinfecting vegetables”, I’m guessing boil the vegetables in hot water?
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She said they disinfected veg and fruit with an iodine solution.
Iodine has been used for water purification for a century, but a few drops of bleach in a gallon of water will have the same effect.
I’m assuming they use ddt or some other chemicals used in growing down there that needs to be cleaned off.
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The post is nice, but moving a family to Mexico is really not safe. You do not know how far the drug war will spread. A place you once thought safe could indeed become unsafe in the near future. Personally, the Mexican government and police have real problems that would need to be fixed before I would ever consider packing up. On the other hand, a nice visit to Cancun for a few weeks would be awesome.
-my .02
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Carl, I can tell you after spending 18 winters in Mexico, I feel immensely safer in Guanajauto than on the Mexican Riviera. In fact I feel safer in Guanajauto and San Miguel de Allende than in most states in the southwest, or Detroit, in Florida etc, etc
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I have lived in Mexico and I live twelve miles from the border now and we (my wife, daughter, and I) go there frequently because she has family who live in the small Mexican town on the other side of the border.
Where we live is a lot like Mexico, the town here is probably 95% Mexican and the city council are all Mexican (Americans).
Our house is four blocks, less than 1/2 mile to all amenities that we use (no bars, which is OK with us). Within walking distance is health care, groceries, and several restaurants, and even a Mexican bakery where we can get pastries, tortillas, and tamales fresh every day.
Our house cost $95,000. It is over 1,600 sqft with a detached one-car garage with an attached studio apartment. Our total monthly housing expense (PITI) is just $500. There are several similar homes similarly priced available here.
Our lot is just over a quarter-acre with plenty of room for chickens and gardens, which is one reason we bought it.
As I said, we lived in Mexico but moved back to the states for a few reasons. One is the cops there were always a problem and I worried about my wife being stopped when she was alone. Cops can pretty much do what they want and they have been known to do some outrageous things.
I found that almost everything in Mexico except labor was more costly. Even gasoline is now more there. And the public schools were inadequate in my opinion.
So I agree with the commenter who wrote that you can live as inexpensively here as there and the quality of life will be generally better here.
The last place we lived in Mexico was a gated and guarded community of mostly American ex-pats and retirees. Before that we lived on the local economy in Mexicali but left when a series of home invasions began in our upscale neighborhood.
You cannot leave a house alone for long in any place I have ever lived in Mexico because if you do, it will be stripped to the copper in the walls.
Poverty will do that; it makes people desperate and there are a lot of people living in poverty in Mexico. I have never lived deeply into the interior so I can’t speak to that.
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Many of us would be happy to live a more simple life.
I feel “rushed” all the time because between balancing school and work, and barely have time for doing things I enjoy.
The problem I have found personally for me is that I am tied to my employer because of benefits like insurance. For people who has a medical condition that is very expensive to treat, I don’t see how we can walk away from our employers to live a simple life.
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I agree with Diane #10. I have a chronic illness and need access to health insurance (even though I am paying for it myself 100%) and access to a US city where I can get the best medical care, emergency facilities, etc.
I think the life Louisa lives only works if you’re healthy with very little medical needs.
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I always find it interesting when people decide that lower costs of living in other countries appeal to them.
Often the reasons why countries have lower costs of living are because protections that we take for granted in the US don’t exist there. What happens when that maintenance man has a ditch collapse on him while working on your sewer line? Does he have insurance to cover his medical costs? Do you? What if he dies?
I noticed the last time we were in Mexico that the taxis did not have seat belts in the back seat for passengers – and was alarmed at the number of times the taxis had to come to a screeching halt to avoid an accident. I would have much rather paid a bit more for that taxi and had seat belts.
After living overseas for 7 years, I’ve come to appreciate these protections and consider them worth the cost in many cases.
Do the people that make the decision to spend significant time in other countries consider these things also when making their decisions?
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Wait a couple of years and we will all have access to affordable health insurance — because of the Affordable Care Act, insurance companies won’t be able to turn you down, and there will be a premium cap related to your income. A lot of failed marriages will dissolve and a lot of people will quit jobs they hate and do what they excel at, when that comes into effect.
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Thanks to Louise for sharing her story. I had thought about buying a vacation/part-time home somewhere abroad when I get older, but my choice would probably be in Argentina rather than Central America.
Like many commenters already said, I think this type of “lifestyle” is also available in the U.S., find a small town with reasonable real estate and a nice neighborly feel, and the costs will probably be much lower than you expect (although of course labor in the U.S. will be multiples of what it costs in Mexico).
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What a beautiful place! I wish more Northern countries adopted fantastic tropical colour schemes. If I owned a house here in London and decided to paint it bright orange, the council/neighbours would have a fit. It’s a shame because I agree with you- interesting neighbourhoods make walking or just being outside much more enjoyable.
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I keep reading comments about how this lifestyle is achievable in many US small towns. I beg to differ.
The reasons are not a matter of money. They have to do with the fabric of social life in other countries.
In a small US town you can live for cheap, but you also at risk of living a very lonely life: from the house to work to the mall to the TV. In rural america more than anywhere else you need a car in order to go anywhere– you’re stranded without one, and there is no public transportation. If you walk in a small town you are bound to be taken for a drunk, a vagrant, or someone whose car broke down. Social life is by appointment only and everything closes at 7 if not earlier.
In a small Latin American city, there are people in the streets and there is a bustle you don’t find in American towns. There is a much more active social life and less reliance on television to get entertained. Friends show up to visit unannounced, and it’s not a nuisance because the day is not so full of chores that you can’t take time off for friends without a previous appointment. And there is public transportation everywhere because the majority of people do not have a car–the car has not altered geography the way it has in the U.S., except for the most exclusive neighborhoods. So, for most people, there are buses, mini-buses, taxis and gypsy cabs that will take you anywhere you can’t walk to.
Maybe you could find towns like that in America before the 50′s, but after the takeover of urban planning by General Motors, the destruction of the trolley networks and the explosion of suburban life, small towns are not what they used to be– small towns are “exurbs”. People live isolated in their subdivisions and drive-through lifestyles. There is very little face contact and human interaction.
Living in a small Latin American city is like living in a big American city, but in a much smaller scale and with lesser infrastructure– yet still lively, walkable, sociable, and open late.
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I studied abroad in Mexico for a semester and lived with a family. It completely changed my life. I’m dreaming of buying a home there in the state of Queretaro or Guanajuato (two very beautiful, pretty-safe states).
Thanks for posting this – many people these days are considering Mexico for the reasons above when they retire, especially in San Miguel de Allende. It’s one of the fastest growing cities for American retirees in the country!
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Thanks for Sharing. U have a beautiful writing style.
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I agree on the lifestyle difficulty without public transport in rural settings. Biking is not reasonable either as no bike lanes and often not enough road to share. (None or heavily sloped shoulders.) Employment in rural areas is also another significant factor if you work for a living outside the home. Nice for small farm/gardening and community. It can be an almost 2 hour drive to a hospital if that’s a concern.
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I agree with El Nerdo above. My parents retired in Thailand and they have a much more active social life than here in the US.
I would definitely be up to for living in a foreign country for a few years.
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Good for you for living part-time in another country. I’m too chicken and play-it-safe to do something like that!
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I agree with El Nerdo. The only cities I can think of here in the US that are “walkable” and public transit rich are San Francisco and New York City. We came close once in a surburb in WA, where my husband could bike to work (in the 3 months a year it wasn’t raining), and I could walk to the gym, coffee, school, and a couple of restaurants. No shopping of any type or food stores, however. I always thought that my happiest days were the ones that I didn’t get in the car.
I wish I had options outside a surburban life, but there are not many US military bases that lend themselves to a car free lifestyle. My prayer is that rising gas prices will change that for many and make it more viable for all.
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Love your writing style. So descriptive I felt like I was there in Mexico with you!
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Not sure where you live El Nerdo- but there are thousands of walkable small towns in the US that would not take you as a drunk if you showed up on the street to go from shop to shop. I have lived in a few- Monterey, CA-Flagstaff, Az- and parts of Washington state come to mind. My nephew has lived in Portland without a car for seven years working on his music. Some places are more expensive–but many are not if you are looking for simple and less expensive.
All of the towns we are considering for our “elder”stage have housing with walking range of libraries and markets. The communities are very livable- with music and exchanges often being a part of a mix. The key to moving into ANY community is to find the people to hang out with AND DO IT:>)
Life is always greener on the other side of the fence. Sometimes you simply need to bloom where you are planted.
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Actually sadly only Americans are the only ones who can live in the actual city limits of Guanajuato..for the rest of the population it is expensive.
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@ Jan
Portland is a cheap small town? Portland Oregon? Bicycle capital of America? Population 600,000? Great beer, bookstores, record stores? Cost of living about 25% over the national average? Sounds great, I’m just not sure it qualifies as a “money saver”.
Flagstaff has a nice downtown, yes, but that’s not where people live. Try getting home without a car on a Friday night. Flagstaff has a lot of dark roads with no sidewalk when you leave downtown, and no bus to take you there. I’ve been to Flagstaff a lot. Driving required.
Never been to Monterrey, CA (only Monterrey, Nuevo León), so I can’t say.
I have lived in Mexico (a small town and the DF), a couple of cities in Peru, Tel Aviv, Washington DC & suburbs (both MD and VA), a small town in New Mexico, and currently Albuquerque NM. That’s not counting places visited as a tourist. So I think I have enough information to compare different cities and cultures.
The grass is not always greener provided you have sufficient information. There is no perfect place of course, and there are tradeoffs wherever you go, but you can find the best place for you according to your priorities.
The OP is about living cheaply and car-free in a lively town. The answer: Mexico. The problem is that lively towns/cities in America are *expensive*. Suburbs are cheaper but you need a car. And in the cheap places, you’re stranded without a car.
So in the U.S. it’s a pretty rigid tradeoff: if you want a car-free life your rent will be astronomical. I loved living car-free in DC but after getting married moved away due to the high cost of living– and had to get a car (now truck), and even though we live now in a walkable neighborhood, it’s pretty dead at night. A friend we met here in Albuquerque moved back to San Francisco and loves it there, but she barely makes ends meet. Tradeoff.
New Mexico is very dull by comparison to other places where I’ve lived, but at this point in my life I am highly focused on work, so I have stopped caring too much about my surroundings– I’m just taking advantage of a low cost of living in order to build a business without undue financial pressure. It’s a conscious tradeoff. Some day when we’re ready we’ll return to a city that we love–and the means to enjoy it.
What cities abroad can offer someone who has achieved wealth independence is a third way that I really think we don’t have here: a lively city life without the hefty price tag. Sure, there are other tradeoffs to consider, but that’s the point– they are different tradeoffs for you to choose.
So, now that I think about it, perhaps only New Orleans is both cheap and amazing, but I haven’t been (yet), so I can’t attest– then again, Jim Jarmusch claims that neither New York nor New Orleans are part of the USA (of course he doesn’t mean this literally– he means they are really different from the rest of the country).
Hmm…. New Orleans… good food too…
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I think part of living in a city you love and enjoying it is helping to make it car-free and working to improve civic life.
I could never just earn a pile of money and then relocate to some place that I deem suitably walkable and livable.
I’d much rather be part of making my own city walkable and livable. It’s harder than just buying into a place that’s already nice, but I believe it’s more respectable and certainly more grounded.
Who wants to be a corporate nomad and just pick a city from a top-lifestyle list? Then the few, nice, destination cities get ruined by interlopers.
Better to create a great place to live right where you are, working with other people. It’s called civic life.
REAL citizens participate in implementing change in their own corner of the world.
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Betsy, you make a very good point, but if everyone thought the same way as you do, the whole of humanity would be confined to Africa. Diversity is a good thing. Nomads contribute to society and are real people too.
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A very nice post by Sra. Rogers.
Just please remember that México is a large and varied country and each region is very different.
I was born here in México but raised as a Gringo just outside of Los Ángeles, CA. I’ve lived and worked on both sides of the border all my life (65yrs). I came back to México for good a few years ago and am content to stay here.
I was going to comment on the whole article and the interesting comments but I think I’ll save it for a later post.
Meanwhile, I’ll just pass on an old story that, hopefully, you will enjoy:
THE MEXICAN FISHERMAN STORY
An American investment banker was on the beach of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman came ashore. Inside the small boat were several large yellowfin tuna. The American complimented the fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them.
The fisherman replied, “only a little while.”
The American then asked why didn’t he stay out longer and catch more fish?
The Mexican said he had enough to support his family’s immediate needs.
The American then asked, “but what do you do with the rest of your time?”
The Mexican fisherman said, “I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take siestas with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine, and play guitar with my amigos. I have a full and busy life.”
The American scoffed, “I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds, buy a bigger boat. With the proceeds from the bigger boat, you could buy several boats; eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing, and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then LA and eventually New York City, where you will run your expanding enterprise.”
The Mexican fisherman asked, “But, how long will this all take?”
To which the American replied, “15 – 20 years.”
“But what then?”, asked the Mexican.
The American laughed and said, “That’s the best part. When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich, you would make millions!”
“Millions – then what?”
The American said, “Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take siestas with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos.”
From down México way.
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Glad it works for you.. not for me.
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I lived in a latin american country when I was little, no it wasn’t mexico, and I wouldn’t live in one ever again. I’m part hispanic, my family is multicultural. I still remember plenty of things from that experience even though I was a kid.
I prefer the U.S. My family is multicultural and we’ve definitely traveled quite a bit. I just like living in the U.S. much better. I’m also a naturalized U.S. citizen, anyway I really think its funny when Americans go to latin american countries to retire.
IMO the quality of life is higher in the U.S. and that’s why I love living here. I don’t even have dual citizenship, once I became a U.S. citizen that was it for me, because I never want to go back and that’s how much I love my life here.
The quality of life is so high here even if you’re not rich. Whereas the class divisions were much more obvious there. I feel rich living here even though I’m not at all rich.
To each their own right?
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Hello everyone, thanks for all your comments. Here are some replies, more to come:
#5– about water: purifying ALL water to be potable in the US–whether you’re fighting fires with it, or washing your car, or flushing the toilet–is a huge and unnecessary expense.
The system used in Mexico and many Latin countries is much more efficient by dividing water into non-potable (that comes into your “tinaco” storage tank on the roof via small, low-pressure pipes) and potable (that comes in five-gallon refillable plastic bottles from the guys on the street). One two-dollar bottle lasts a week for a family of two.
Louisa
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Nerdo — Really? I didn’t know that the way humans settled beyond Africa was to earn a big living and then in mid-life to relocate their households to another continent by van, ship, or air.
Walkably yours, Betsy
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Louisa — Understood. Actually my comment wasn’t meant for your post but El Nerdo’s.
Thanks for the reminders of what really makes life worth living and how to simplify.
In response to #2 Pamela, it sounds like two major factors would help based on Louisa’s experiment in Guanjuato: (1) eliminate yard work associated with living in a suburban single-family house; and (2) eliminate auto travel, commuting, auto maintenance, and auto-related payments — also associated with living in a suburban single-family house.
The trick is to find an affordable yet livable dwelling near the center of a place, yet a central location that still has some connection to the ground/outdoors and is not dominated by vehicle traffic. THAT, I agree, is quite a trick to find in the US.
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#6–disinfectant. You soak the veggies in a bowl of water with a couple of drops of iodine or bleach
#8– the drug wars are a serious concern, of course. However, they are concentrated in certain parts of the country. This is not to minimize their impact on the entire country through the drop of tourism, for example, but as far as I know, none of my friends in Guanajuato (Mexican or expat) have ever felt unsafe because of this.
#10 and #11– I have known a number of foreigners who returned to the US or other native country due to health concerns, so you have a good point. That said, Mexico DOES have a public health care system, and most of the routine medical procedures that middle-aged people face can be taken care of there, by (I have heard) excellent specialists in Guanajuato or the nearby city of Leon.
#13– yes, our maintenance man and all other workers who worked on our home have insurance. We paid for it via our architect, as do any reputable employers hiring Mexican workers.
#17– San Miguel is just over an hour away from Guanajuato. It is a lovely town, but it is full of foreigners and sadly no longer ‘Mexican’. You don’t have to speak Spanish at all. We prefer Guanajuato where out of a city of about 120,000, only about 400 are foreign.
#25– Guanajuato has grown more expensive over the last ten years, but almost of the residents in the center of Guanajuato remain local Mexicans.
#27– I am very involved in public life in Eureka. I work on walkability issues in Eureka and fight for a bike path.
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Louisa, what a beautiful post! I live in Cancun, which is still in Mexico but obviously much more “Americanized” than Guanajuato. I have many friends from your city, and they all speak wonders of the place!
I love your observations on life in Mexico… they’re dead on!
I’ve mentioned a few times on here that I make a Mexican salary, which is teeny by American standards, but I’m still able to save.
I’m with you on the furniture though! Expensive! We have a carpinter friend who has helped us out a lot, but other than that it’s been tough. Luckily rent is dirt cheap haha
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In response to El Nerdo’s mention of New Orleans, as a 10 year resident I can attest that the main reason I’ve stayed longer then originally intended is the saize and ease of moving around the city. But, while some people have done it, I don’t see where it is possible to make the break with the car. I live in an area very close to downtown and love to bike BUT have you ever been here in the summer? The heat and humidity are oppresive. The place is downright uninhabitable. I’m also less than a mile away from groceries/ restaurants/ bars etc but you can’t get there by bus and the streets are in too poor a condition to bike, plus there’s still a pervasive crime element. On the plus side, my car trips are brief, most palces I need to access are within 2 miles, I can combine my errands, and my commute is under ten minutes to work. I have little need to ever head to the ‘burbs for stuff and try to stay away like the plague. So I love it for convenience, but just can’t make the break with the car. But I can make the 1 1/2 mile walk to the Superdome for Saints games!
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#10 – Wow! As I read the comment, it really resonated with me. I’m only attending the school of life, but my concerns are the same. In fact, if there was a cost-effective way to buy health insurance, I surely would have quit my job and gone for an extended walkabout long ago. Then I looked at the author’s name. Eerie.
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I’m jealous. I’m constantly dreaming of ways to move up towards Eureka/Arcata. Doesn’t seem to be much up their by way of jobs. I’m in Sacramento. Seems like there are a lot of highly educated people doing menial jobs (a lady with a master’s degree working as a check out clerk at Safeway, or cleaning kennels for a vet, etc) How? How? can I move up there when the economy is so whacked?
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It is certainly not necessary to move to a foreign country to save money, there are many places in the US with low cost of living. California is by far the worst place to live in the USA, in my opinion. It wouldn’t take much to find savings in the other 49 states of the union.
Add the perks of the USA… a non-corrupt police force, a generally non-corrupt government, and no mental worry that someday your dear neighbors or relatives will be victim to a ruthless drug-related crime. Sure, these things could happen to you in the US too, but it’s much less likely. I would never, ever move my children to a country where the top 9 of 10 news stories are violent crimes committed. I’d pay 3x more in cost of living to feel safe. I admire her for sharing her story, but I certainly would not follow those steps to save money. It’s just as easily done in rural Texas.
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@ Wilson – I actually own an old pickup truck for business purposes at this point, and I would need to hang on to it (it hauls the gear), so I could adjust to short trips, etc. I’m not necessary anti-car at this point, but my wife and I miss city life like crazy (we met in DC), and while New York is our Holy City (I even love to drive there), New Orleans is definitely a possibility we want to explore.
I’m actually planning a trip to New Orleans next year with a bunch of friends– the main organizer is a Louisiana native, so she’ll take us to all the good places. I can’t wait to dig into a muffuletta!
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@Ray: I understand your concerns, but the drug violence is mainly concentrated to the northern border of Mexico. The city where I live, Cancun, is thousands of miles away from that. It would be like saying “people are being killed in NYC, so stay out of LA!” I understand Guanajuato is pretty untouched by the violence as well.
I’ve seen statistics showing Cancun as being safer than most US cities of the same size. I think the Yucatan Peninsula in general has less murders than the state of Montana.
Yes, there are terrible things happening in Mexico right now and it’s definitely something to keep an eye on, but for me I’ve never felt safer, and I’m guessing by the tone of the article that Louisa can say the same.
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the cost of living in mexico is generally lower than in the us. so retiring in mexico may be a good option for many us residents.
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Thanks for this post! My parents have spent almost ten years now south of the border, at first part-time and for the last five years, full-time. The question they get most often, and me when I mention where they live and that I’m going to visit them, is, “Are they safe?” Followed by, “I hope you make it back.” There’s a big misunderstanding about safety, and the stories on this side of the border don’t help. As others have pointed out, there is violence, confined to certain areas, and there is the possibility it could spread, but for now and the past several years, there are plenty of places that are as safe, or safer, as they’ve always been. It’s sad that Mexico’s tourist economy has suffered because of ill-researched stories–it makes me recall the tourists afraid to visit Los Angeles in the 80s because foreigners assumed all of Southern California was subject to drive-by shootings.
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Louisa,
Thanks for writing about living in Guanajuato, bring back a lot of good memory – like Callejon de Besos. I love Mexico as well, lived and studied in San Miguel de Allende for a while. I agree with you, SMA has lots of expats, and some of them live a separate life from the Mexicans and don’t attempt to speak Spanish at all. But if one put an attempt to connect with the locals, one can, and that’s what I did. It was tiring in the beginning but the reward is so wonderful.
Enjoy your time in Guanajuato, it is great that you can split your time between there and CA.
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#39–Andrea– write me online and I’ll talk to you about living, and making a living, in Humboldt County.
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I moved to the central highlands of Mexico last year and am very happy here. There are some significant differences to living in a foreign country, and finding an inexpensive place to live in the US isn’t the same. There are many more rewards than a less expensive lifestyle.
I feel much safer and more free here than I did in any place I lived in the US. I am less stressed, more at ease, and enjoy social interaction more. What is lost in terms of some perceived conveniences are made up for by the warm and generous Mexican people, by saying “Buenos dias” and smiling at every person I pass on the sidewalk, by buying just-picked vegetables and fresh cheese from my favorite vendors at the local market.
I believe part of the reason the benefits are about more than just moving to a less expensive town are because the culture of the United Stated becomes embedded into our very beings, and it is fairly impossible to understand the impact that has on our lives and our thoughts until one is immersed into a different culture. I am a guest and a foreigner here. While I feel I have an obligation to act respectfully, I do not have to know all the subtleties of the culture. I am welcomed as a guest. It was the opposite in the US, especially in the very affluent and materialistic area I most recently moved from. The opportunity to live away from one’s own culture can be an incredibly eye-opening and freedom-inspiring experience.
This lifestyle is most certainly not for everybody and I wouldn’t casually recommend it. I am grateful I was born and grew up in the United States. I am also happy here and understand very well the joys the poster so delightfully dishes out for us about her life in Guanajuato.
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I agree with a couple of things that El Nerdo said about living in a US town that is cheapo. When I was younger I lived in Sacramento Ca. It was and still is cheaper than most Californian towns, & you can still live a good Californian lifestyle in Sacramento now, except the Jobs are hard to find here for many, and crime rampant. So when I was younger about 20years ago, My only car broke down here and It truly was difficult getting around, I lost my job because, I no longer could commute to work, and I got evicted because I could not pay the rent. I then moved back to San Francisco where life is easier but square footage is expensive (cost of living, rent etc.) After 10 years I moved back to Sac. It is cheaper than San Francisco but many people are caught up in a selfish life style now a days it is getting worst. Some people here in the US can’t live without their gas guzzlers, and Guns. I wished I lived in Europe but my kids are not out of the house yet. Mexico is simple. My tip is find a place where there is almost no drug wars (very few, but there is). This Country promised me as a child, peace and prosperity, but it has proved to be false, however all it has brought is Greed, war, hate, and selfishness. I can’t wait for Jesus to take over the world, he will make life fare, happy, lovable,everlasting, and simple.
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At the risk of sounding cynical–has anyone else besides me felt like they’ve heard this story before? Not to be harsh, but it’s pretty easy to save money when you’re wealthy enough to practice economic arbitrage by moving to a poorer country, all the while still retaining your (presumably much-higher) American salary/earning capacity.
Other people have brought up the trade-offs for safety, legal and medical protections, etc., so I won’t bring those points up again. But it would be nice to see a reader story that had someone moving to a less-affluent country, working at a job for the local rates, and still ‘getting rich slowly’, instead of repeated stories from people who are effectively snowbirding and/or vacationing from the rat race the rest of us are running. There’s nothing wrong with that, don’t get me wrong–but it’s a very privileged position to be in, IMHO, which I think needs to be acknowledged.
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Rebecca,
You make a very good point. The very nature of being Canadian, American, or European automically puts someone (for the most part) in a privilged position in a developing or poorer country.
I moved to Mexico with nothing. I mean nothing. I had to scrimp for the security deposit on the house I’m renting.
My entire family died (three people in less than three months), I lost my house, and I went through my savings trying to save my house and get myself emotionally together enough to maintain my business. I failed and lost that too.
I am also in the process of getting work papers to open a store here and will be more entrenched in the local life. I have no retirement income, salary, and not much safety net. I will be living as any other proprietor of a store who has good days and bad days. Luckily, I have made high-speed Internet access a priority (something not all Mexicans have) so I am able to make a few dollars online. Right now it is less than $400 a month.
I will also be tightening my lifestyle a bit to open this store. Even with that, I will be living well (comparatively) on about 40% what it cost me to live in the United States.
There is excellent medical care and world-class hospitals an hour away. There is little/no violence here, and good food is plentiful. High speed Internet is a luxury, and inexpensive Internet cafes abound for those who cannot afford having it at their home.
Am I privileged and lucky? Yes. Am I gallivanting around as a rich gringa? No. The rat race is a choice. It doesn’t take wealth to get out of it and move elsewhere. It takes other qualities. For me, it took a few hundred dollars to load up my car, pay for gas, and drive for several days. It appears to be working. In six months, I will certainly know more.
There is nothing preventing a Mexican with Internet access to earn the same dollars I do online. There is nothing to prevent them from having a Paypal account and a debit card they can use at a local ATM. Opportunity now exists all over the world, and it is not nearly as discriminatory as it used to be. I have met a number of enterprising Mexicans who live what would qualify as a perfectly middle-class lifestyle in the United States. It just takes less money to have that life here.
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