Great news, everyone. By popular request, comment numbering is back! When we moved to threaded comments last month, we lost numbered comments. While I think everyone loves the threaded comments (so much easier to follow conversations), a lot of us liked comment numbering because it let us remember where we left off in the discussion. Thankfully, the GRS technical elves have returned the comment numbers to us.
The technical elves also indulged a whim for me while they were at it. Comments are also color-coded now. The more recent a comment, the greener it gets. In my mind, this was a great idea — a way for a reader to get a quick clue about which comments were most recent. But seeing my dream become reality, I’m not so sure. Comment threading and numbering are here to stay. But colored comments? It’ll depend on your reaction, I suppose.
In other site news, Andrew the social-media elf will be hosting another Tweetchat session this afternoon. These are much more popular than I would have expected. (I’m not a good Twitter user.) Today’s topic is money-saving moves for food. Grocery prices are rising — how are you coping? Follow @GRSblog Wednesday afternoon at 4pm Pacific (7pm Eastern) and join the discussion at the #moolah hashtag! (Here’s more info about the GRS Tweetchats.)
Moving on to matters of more importance, here’s my weekly round-up of financial articles I’ve enjoyed lately:
First, the afore-mentioned Trent at The Simple Dollar has a though-provoking piece about why he prefers living rural. Though I don’t agree with all of Trent’s conclusions, I admit that rural living has its charms. I have fond recollections of growing up in the country. But more and more, I’m finding myself drawn to city living. If I could start from scratch, I’d rent an apartment in a walkable neighborhood. Still, there are things I miss about living in the country.
Over at the Personal Finance Advice blog, Jennifer Derrick has a fascinating look at the truth about extreme couponing. I haven’t written a lot about couponing at GRS, though I’ve had a lot of contact with folks who write couponing blogs. I admire them. I think they’re clever and resourceful. Just last night, I chatted with some women who have used coupons to cut their grocery bills nearly in half. And, in fact, I’m hoping to have a couponblogger give us a guest post in the next few months. But Derrick’s article points out the dark side of couponing. I never would have guessed there was such a thing.
Julia Scott’s article at Bargaineering is a good follow-up if you’re not a fan of extreme couponing. She shares some tips for saving on groceries — with or without coupons. We’ve covered most of these before, but if rising food prices are giving you headaches, it’s worth reviewing these ideas again.
Next, Leo from Zen Habits recently wrote about breaking free from consumerist chains. “We are not consumers,” Leo writes. “We are people.” He urges readers to question the way our society works, to make their own alternatives: “The funny thing is, there are millions of alternatives. But we’ve been so trained to believe there is only one way, that we can barely imagine something different.” I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. And, in fact, I just edited a guest post on the psychology of consumerism for here at GRS. (It may even appear tomorrow morning.)
Finally, here’s something completely unrelated to money. (Well, mostly unrelated.) In December, I asked how to build a wardrobe on a budget. Many commenters recommended the blog Put This On. I’ve become a regular reader. Earlier this week, Jesse posted a quote from public radio’s Ira Glass. It’s all about the gap between our appreciation for quality and our ability to produce it. “It’s only by going through a volume of work that you will close that gap, and your work will be as your ambitions,” says Glass. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. I love this piece.
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Hmm, I’m not sure about the color coded comments yet, J.D. I just checked out April’s recent post to see what it looks like. My initial impression is that it’s possibly useful for the nested level comments but not as much for the root level comments. I still don’t have a solid opinion either way though. We’ll see.
P.S. I “liked” GRS on Facebook. You’re pulling ahead!
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I dont really care for the colored comments. As I read the comments page, I feel like I am progressively getting more and more sick.
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I like the colored comments. It adds a cool aesthetic to the site. Also liked GRS on FB!
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I like the colored comments. I wish there were lots of colors not just green getting darker and darker…
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I think having extra colors would give a rainbow effect. While it might look nice small doses, I believe it would be annoying for articles with anything more than 10 posts.
Also, how would people be able to keep track of what all the different colors mean? Multiple colors would add an unnecessary level of complexity.
BTW: I love this blog! Keep up the great work.
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The biggest downside (for me) to living rural is that you MUST have a car. I never again want to live anywhere that I can’t walk to the grocery store, or ride my bike, or take the bus to work.
Of course that’s just me…
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The biggest downside to me is lack of high quality ethnic food restaurants! There may be some ethnic food but not a huge variety of it. Walkability is a close second though.
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My current walkscore for my apartment is 93.
I. LOVE. IT.
Will never return to suburbia with 6 lanes of traffic just to get to a grocery store – that’s just not my cup of tea.
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Some cities, like buffalo, have just as many problem with having good ethnic restaurants as rural areas.
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Hm… Yelp disagrees with you on that subject http://www.yelp.com/search?find_loc=Buffalo%2C+NY&cflt=restaurants#start=20 . Also, the modifier “good” is kicking things up a notch for an unfair comparison. Sometimes you’re willing to eat crappy Mexican food or crappy Vietnamese/Thai/Chinese just to get a taste of ethnic… many small towns don’t even have that.
Seriously, the only ethnic food restaurant my DH had growing up was Fazoli’s (which, if you live in Buffalo, you are probably fortunate enough to have never had to eat at… think reheated frozen pasta TV dinners). They also had a Hardee’s and I think a McDonald’s, but no burger king or Wendy’s. It was a big deal when they got a Pizza Hut and even bigger when they got a Denny’s. And a 2 hour drive to get to other restaurants.
Buffalo, NY doesn’t even compare. Tiny violins!
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My wife and I spent a couple of years living in a rural area and we fled for our lives as soon as we could. It was HORRIBLE. Very hard to have a social life in the boonies. The conversations with the neighbors were painful and the boredom was SUPREME.
Sure, there’s satellite internet (slow as molasses) which lets you connect to the world, but posting on facebook and message boards does not measure up to meeting friends face to face, watching people in the street, and enjoying interaction with new and interesting human beings.
Yes, we keep a cabin in our previous place of residence, and it’s nice to go and read in a hammock and do nothing for a few days, but eventually the brain requires social stimulation or it goes dead.
Maybe if I had the temperament of a monk I’d be happy talking to a row of cabbages and listening to the clouds, but I’m not wired that way.
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PS it’s not just ethnic restaurants, it’s any restaurants. they are horrid. horrid.
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What, you don’t like Denny’s?
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haaa haaa haa. did you know they don’t offer real butter with the pancakes? only margarine. ATROCIOUS.
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Trent’s area isn’t as rural as where my in-laws live (they don’t live remotely close to a college town). We can stand 5 days there and no longer. We love visiting his family but after 5 days there’s nothing to do!
It’s actually really walkable… there’s just no place to go. So we go on very long walks. My in-laws think nothing of driving 2 hours to get to the closest chain restaurant for lunch.
They *just* got a Denny’s a few years ago.
Last year we visited Germany and were in a town that’s got the same population as the one I live in now. It was AMAZING how different the infrastructure was. The city was so easy to get around in without a car! And there was one big town square instead of lots of areas with strip-malls, which meant there were wonderful street vendors and a mix of high scale and lower scale shops. Everything was centralized. Our town would be so much more awesome if it were built like that… less duplication and more options.
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Not so much having the car for things like groceries, but being dependent on it for getting to work – a car will kill your budget pretty quick, especially if your savings are low and you have to get it fixed right away or miss work.
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Heh, I started writing a whole tear-down of that zen habits post the other day, but then deleted it because I figured no one wanted to read my ranting about why it was trite and overly simplistic. Basically though, I’m tired of reading rants against all the infrastructure that society has spent centuries building up coming from people who are absolutely and utterly reliant on that same infrastructure for their livelihood (try having widespread internet and commodity laptop computers without corporations, or for that matter, Leo’s favorites blogging software and Twitter).
The fact that Leo can sing the praises of big city living while simultaneously telling people that they shouldn’t waste their time doing things like building big cities (or in general, doing anything traditionally considered productive) bothers me.
Yes, sure, question the way society works, but once you’ve made all consumption evil, all corporations villains, and pigeonholed all of society into a college-educated, SUV-driving, McMansion owning stereotype, you’ve gone way too far the other way and your thinking has no nuance or subtlety in it.
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Oh, Tyler, have I got a post for you. Katy Wolk-Stanley is giving us a guest post tomorrow morning about how the minimalist movement has gone too far. I suspect you wouldn’t normally agree with Katy (you never agree with anyone), but you might actually like what she has to say in this case.
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Looking forward to it!
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Did you see this video on the minimalist movement… Cracks me up!
http://www.getoffthiswheel.com/2011/01/07/the-minimalist-part-i/
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Excellent ending:
“Everyone should become a minimalist, quite their job, and start a blog.”
“Who would make your iPhones then?”
“The third world, they are already minimalists.”
I laughed.
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Best line ever. (Though personally I wouldn’t have posted the spoiler!)
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I laughed too, Tyler. There’s one of these floating around about Crossfit that’s just as funny. It’s easy to make fun of anything cult-like, even if it’s basically a good thing (like minimalism or Crossfit or Neil Gaiman worship). And whatever this software is makes it even more hilarious.
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I believe it is xtranormal: http://www.xtranormal.com/
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“you never agree with anyone”
Yeah, I agree. (uh oh, paradox!)
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If all you need is encouragement, I say rant away. I also disliked that post. But I usually dislike zen habits. I find it trite.
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It *is* trite.
(also, double agreement paradox!)
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Careful, Tyler. You don’t want to strain yourself. Your strength is you’re out there every day, offering feedback. I’m afraid if you do too much agreeing, you’ll hurt something!
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JD,
I’m not a huge fan of the color coded comments. For something that should be really subtle, the dark green is way too hard on my eyes.
However, if you could enable cookies or something, the color coded comments would be useful for spotting new posts since the last vist. Otherwise, the fact that one comment is more recent than another doesn’t help me a whole lot.
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I agree with you, Dan!
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JD,
Awesome People is absolutely the best blog ever. You are my hero.
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Thanks, Ely. This is my pet project. I’m passionate about it. It’s been gnawing at my brain for six months, and I finally gave in to it. In my dream world, five years from now, J.D. is known for Awesome People, not for Get Rich Slowly. And in my dream world, I travel the country (no, the world) interviewing people who do amazing things with their minds, muscles, money, and time.
But now is a time for humble beginnings.
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9,999!
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I LOVE the colored comments. Way to go elves on the numbering, too
Don’t think I didn’t notice it this morning!
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Thanks for sharing your Awesome People site – I had somehow missed it. It’s great to take the time to appreciate the wonderful people out there.
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Somewhat off topic question: anyone know of a blog similar to Put This On, but for women? I’ve been looking for one and haven’t had any luck. I not-so-recently graduated from college and really want to revamp my wardrobe to look like a “real adult”
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This isn’t completely the same idea as Put This On, but I’ve gotten a lot of good, inexpensive ideas for work outfits from the style blog kendieveryday.blogspot.com. There are hordes of “style bloggers” on the interwebs but most are a little more casual/trendy and this one seems more professional to me.
I’ve personally had good luck building a work wardrobe by signing up for Gap and Banana Republic email coupons and using the 30% off coupons that come about 4x a year at the outlets or on clearance racks. It’s pretty easy to get classic/basic/well-made items on sale at those stores. You have to be picky sometimes & willing to walk away without buying clothes (ie, don’t fall into the allure of the sales rack, buying things you will never wear), but I have a mixable/matchable wardrobe of quality items…none of which I paid full price for!
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@Julia
That blog is awesome. Thanks for posting a link!
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Thanks for the response! I definitely shop clearance/ sales at nice stores to get good deals, but sometimes I just feel lost as to what I really need in my wardrobe.
What I really need is a personal shopper. Sounds very frugal, right?
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well, actually I use the personal shopper, at Nordstrom no less and actually have been saving money. In the interest of full disclosure,I love clothes, so this is an area I will spend money, but on the flip side, I don’t buy CDs, DVDs, or (many) books. I had a bad habit buying any/everything I liked–especially on sale, and would still end up with nothing to wear. Then, a few years ago I attended a seminar that included an image consultant as a speaker. She piqued my interest but I couldn’t afford her fee. Luckily,I live in a large city with a Nordstrom and their shopper service is free, so I took advantage. The first PS I worked with didn’t work out because she couldn’t get over my low budget and was pushing me too far away from my style. However the second one I used has been a God-send. I spend half the amount of money I did before, but the quality of what I own is better and I look better too. I have have one-third the number of clothing items I did before, but I have more outfits that can be put together. To make this work for me, first I cleaned out my closet and consigned everything I wasn’t keeping. This gave me about $500 total–it took a year to sell everything due to seasonality. Also, I buy key pieces from Nordstrom’s but I do supplement a little from other places. For example, I bought my suit at Nordstrom’s but I buy the tops I wear under the jacket from stores like Talbots or Ann Taylor or the consignment store where I sell my stuff. Also, while I buy most of my work clothes from Nordstrom, my weekend stuff is mostly from Target and Kohl’s. Also, the first two shopping trips at Nordstrom’s I bought more stuff than I do now. Now it’s usually only two or three items per year–a jacket or dress, etc. Back in the time before there were thousands of style bloggers the PS really helped refine my look and my clothes buying process and saved me money.
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P.S. I hadn’t checked out the blog yet when I wrote that first response (my work filter blocked it)… but I just looked at it on my phone and it is GREAT! One problem, now I really want to own everything that she wears
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Hahaha I’m glad you liked it! The “30 for 30″ remix she did really inspired me. Also, Emma Pillsbury’s character on Glee is another of my favorite go-to guides — do you ever watch it?
I don’t think a personal shopper is a bad idea either, if you can find someone like JB did! When I think of all the money I’ve put down the drain buying pieces I’ve barely worn, it makes me ill. Otherwise just buy tons of cardigans/slacks/pencil skirts/flats in neutral colors that somewhat make sense together and you’ll be fine
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I haven’t read further down the post, but I need to comment on this: I like some darker green, I don’t like the ever-darkening green.
Different colors help to have a visual break, so you could darken by level of indentation rather than by time elapsed (or however it works). Since there are only I think 3 levels of reply, there will be no asymptotic curve approaching total darkness, just 3 levels of it, which can easily be handled.
You want to keep a good contrast between text and background, or you might render the text unreadable, particularly for people with visual impairments. See for example: http://universalusability.com/access_by_design/text/contrast.html
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200608/light_text_on_dark_background_vs_readability/
http://www.hhs.gov/web/policies/webstandards/backgrounds.html
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Comment numbers are great but only if they don’t change. If comments end up in moderation, make sure that when they appear, they don’t get inserted before other comments, and throw all the numbers off.
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^^^ THIS
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You know, I appreciate the concern, but I just can’t see how to make this work in practice. Comments in moderation often wouldn’t make sense if they were shifted to a different position in the line thread. If the [expletive deleted] spam filter weren’t so [expletive deleted], this would be less of an issue. As it is, though, I have to rescue dozens of comments a day. So, so stupid. (And yet better than the alternatives.)
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I understand what you’re saying. But the problem is, if the numbers keep shifting around, you can’t refer to them; so what good are they?
The flip side of that is, the ability to reply to comments (and replies) eliminates the need to refer to comment numbers.
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I don’t know why is it that blogs can’t solve basic technical problems that message boards solved so long ago. Quote-reply, instant updates, spam posts nukable by mod, etc.
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This is a technically easy problem: you store two numbers for each comment. One is “submitted order” which is set when a user clicks the “submit comment” button. The other is “approved order” which is set when you approve a comment in moderation (or, when comments are approved automatically, at the same time as when “submit order” is set).
When set, each of them is set to “maximum existing (submit/comment) number” + 1.
The comments are displayed in “submitted order”, but the numbers that are displayed are the ones from “approved order”.
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And that is why you make the big bucks, Tyler.
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I didn’t really follow this, but if you can make it happen, JD, please do!
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Hmmmmm. the color coding is interesting, but I’m not sure I’ve fully absorbed it. I’ll see if it helps me get caught up on a higher-volume thread. I DO like the nested comments and am glad the numbers are back!
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You got 10,000 followers! I was follower 10,038. Or something.
As for rural vs. city living, I haven’t decided yet. I’m only 24 and will embark into the “real world” soon (I was a late bloomer, but bloomed into engineering, a decent compromise in my parents’ view).
There are definitely many upsides to living the urban life. I put a total of 1,000 miles on my car in four months, most of this visiting my parents and going to the grocery store.
The biggest reason I want to have a house is so I can have a garden. I want to plant fruit trees and get some berry beds running. There are places to do it where I live now that are very walkable, since it’s a college town, but I know it’s an exception to what’s commonly available.
Of course, step one is finding a job so I can finally start paying down those student loans.
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There are a lot of nice smallish cities where you can have a big yard – I’m in inner-city Minneapolis and I have basically a farmhouse. You can get the same thing in Albany, Madison, St Louis, and I’m sure other similar sized cities.
There are people farming in Oakland and Portland, and there are lots of community gardens in cities even in places like Brooklyn. You don’t have to go live in the middle of nowhere to have fruit trees.
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+1 for Minneapolis. We love it here. Although, I’m technically in Fridley, a nearby suburb.
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Agree, I have 1/3 acre in a suburb of St. Louis. It is big enough for kids, dog and a small garden.
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The threaded comments are great, but is there any way to include that in the comment emails? The comment emails have no context.
I agree with the idea of having coloured comments for new ones since your last visit.
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I tend to think that the couponers on the show (with one glaring exception) havent gone overboard so much as the extreme coupon show doesnt show more than one side. I’d love to see an actual demonstration on how those of us who extreme coupon (I save eigthy percent on food and get personal products free) actually function.
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Donna Freedman has a great post on this– she’d actually interviewed one of the women who was on the show before and thinks the show misrepresents some people. http://www.donnafreedman.com/2011/04/13/weighing-in-on-extreme-couponing/
(I swear half the blogs on my daily trawl were about extreme couponing that day)
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The race – I don’t recall Trent asking for FB signups as part of a race to 10K. Doing it at the end seems kind of “unfair”.
The color coded comments are too garbled. Creates reading confusion and gums up an otherwise nice looking comment section. But the numbers are good.
I love “semi-rural” living. On the edge of a 500K population city. Trees, acreage, big yard. Some neighbors. No traffic. HS internet, city utilities and all city ammenities only 5 minutes away.
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Hmm. I enjoy getting away from the city, but I’d never leave it for good. I love the ethnic grocery stores, ethnic restaurants, nightlife, amenities. Oh yeah, and I’d hate to have zero public transport (Auckland’s is pretty craptastic but it does exist in some form.)
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City living all the way! I’ve lived in both rural areas (where we didn’t even live in delivery distance of a pizza place) and Manhattan. Now I live in a Baltimore City apt. The only thing I really wish I had was outdoor space for a garden and a grill.
On the plus side, I haven’t owned a car since 2005. This was much easier in Manhattan, but I have started experimenting with Zipcar and so far, so good.
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I love that definition – “not even in delivery distance” – when I moved with an urban man to a place WAY out in the boonies, not even rural, just far-flung suburbs, I asked the rental agent about delivery/takeout options and whether the place was on city water. City boy looked at me like I was insane, but the answer to both was “no”.
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Ha Rosa! I can totally imagine that, based on my experience. Imagine my surprise when we TRIED to order a pizza over the phone, and they told us no. It had never occurred to me that living outside a delivery zone for pizza was even possible. The irony is that I can’t remember the last time we ordered a pizza– my boyfriend makes the most amazing handmade pizza.
Also, I am really happy I don’t have to drive 4 miles when I am out of milk! I do miss the goose, Lucky, that lived next door though. Cranky and charming.
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I don’t have time to read all the comments, so sorry if anyone else has asked, but would it be possible to have like/dislike or up/down voting on individual comments? Many times a commenter says something great, but I don’t have anything I feel I should add. But giving a thumbs-up to the comment would show agreement. Just a thought…
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Not sure about the coloured comments. When I noticed them the other day, I figured green=good, and so it had to be some kind of new rating system (people voting for the comments they liked or something).
Then I realised there wasn’t the same thing with red so it must be something different.
The problem I think is that once you read a certain number of comments, they’re all going to be the same shade of green (the end of your coloured scale). Plus I feel the numbers are enough to know what was posted when.
I’d do without the colours, personally.
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Logging a vote against the coloured (I spell it with a “u” because I am Australian) comments. I think the numbering serves the same perpose, where a reader can determine which are the most recent comments.
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I like the new comment system. Thanks for returning the numbering.
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I’m also voting against the colored comments, or at least the current coloring. By the time I get to new comments the violent lime is hurting my eyes. Then when I close the tab whatever I look at next is turned pink!
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