Ask the Readers: How Can I Handle “Required” Office Spending?
Published on - May 27th, 2011 (by J.D. Roth) “Money is more about mind than it is about math.” — That’s one of the fifteen tenets of the Get Rich Slowly philosophy. By this I mean that psychology and emotion and relationships play a bigger part in our financial choices than the pure mathematics of any given situation.
This manifests itself in lots of ways. Sometimes, it even crops up in the workplace. A reader we’ll call Erin wrote recently with the following dilemma:
I bought a house right after I graduated college, at the peak of the housing bubble. I didn’t give a rip about my spending because I believed $40,000 was a comfortable salary and I should be able to enjoy it as I pleased. Well, I couldn’t stand the job and quit after one year. Four years later, I’ve yet to make it close to a $40,000 salary again and I’m still saddled with my mortgage.
Here’s my dilemma: Now that I’m carefully tracking every penny I spend (and saving too!), I find it increasingly difficult and annoying to participate in office parties. I’m talking about birthday parties, going-away parties, bridal showers, baby showers, etc. where I’m asked to either buy a gift or food, or pitch in money for same.
I feel like I’ve made it clear to co-workers, past and present, that I’m watching what I spend very closely by bringing my lunch everyday and telling them “no” every time they ask if I want to go out to lunch. I’ve also asked if there’s anything else I can do (for free) to participate, but I feel like they resent me for my frugalness. I’m not trying to be a jackass during celebrations, but I simply don’t agree with spending money on every co-worker’s life events.
I’d appreciate feedback on how to handle this delicate situation. I love everyone I work with, but I work hard for my money and don’t want to spend it on cake! What should I do?
I’ve never worked in this sort of environment — all of the offices I’ve worked in have been small — but I’ve talked with people who have. Like my wife. They’ve expressed similar frustrations.
Peer pressure is a real and powerful force. It can be tough to make smart financial choices when everyone around you is spending — and urging you to do the same. You feel pressured to spend in order to belong.
From my experience, the key to coping with peer pressure is to recognize that it’s mostly internal. It comes from a desire to fit in. When you realize you don’t have to impress your friends and colleagues, most of the pressure goes away. Most of it.
It sounds like Erin knows she doesn’t have to impress her co-workers, but still struggles with the pressure. What then should she do. I have a couple of suggestions, though again, these are purely theoretical since I don’t have practical experience dealing with peer pressure in the workplace.
- Be explicit. From her story, I can’t tell if Erin is simply hinting at her frugality, hoping her co-workers will pick up on subtle signals (“I’m sorry, Gabe, I can’t go out to lunch today”), or whether she’s actually saying, “I appreciate the offer, Kelly and Ryan, but I can’t afford to; I’m working to pay off my debt.” If Erin’s clear about her motives, it may help her co-workers understand where she’s coming from.
- Find alternate ways to give. My wife, who says “required” spending is an issue at her workplace too, sometimes elects not to chip in money. Instead, Kris will find another way to contribute. She might bake cookies, for instance, or bring flowers from her garden.
- Budget for social spending. Since Erin knows her office has a tendency to spend money on parties and gifts and lunches out, she could (if she wanted) actually budget for these activities. Then she could pick and choose which activities to join: buying a gift for baby Cece, attending Andy’s community theater production, or whatever.
- Find other co-workers with similar sentiments. If enough people feel the same way as Erin, they could potentially change the office norms. They don’t even have to share the same reasons for wanting to opt out. Erin may not want to go out to lunch or pitch in for parties because of the money, but maybe Phyllis and Stanley are trying to diet. Seek solidarity among co-workers.
Talk to a supervisor about the problem. I don’t think Erin wants to squash everyone else’s fun, so she should make that clear. At the same time, though, it’s entirely appropriate to let her boss know that she feels pressured to participate but is unable to do so.[Update: Most commenters agree this is poor advice.]
If Erin didn’t care what her co-workers thought of her, the problem would be easier. When Michael and Dwight asked her to lunch, she could say no without worrying about their response. But Erin likes her co-workers. She just doesn’t like spending money with them. What should she do?
Ultimately, some people just won’t understand. To them, frugality will be a foreign concept, or social pressures will simply trump smart financial choices. I’m not sure there’s anything Erin can do to make these folks appreciate where she’s coming from. If she’s explained her situation once or twice or thrice before, will doing it a fourth time really make a difference?
What do you think? Is Erin simply being a party-pooper? Is there a way she can gracefully bow out of spending pressures at the office? What have you done in situations like this? Do you simply suck it up and go along with everyone else? Or have you found an effective way to help people accept your frugal choices? Help Erin solve her dilemma!
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I’m retired now but I worked for a large company that had numerous departments. The department that I worked in had approximately 12 people. At the beginning of each year everyone in my department would put their name and birthday date in a hat. Everyone would draw a name and they would be responsible for a cake and card for that person. That way each person was only responsible for one cake and card a year. This at least took care of the birthdays.
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I guess one extra little plus of my job is that, since I’m a teacher, I’m going to be at the same place on that pay grid whether or not I participate in any of this extra “stuff”. You guys have made me appreciate not having to play office politics.
Like others, I want to give to people and causes I support, and not feel obligated to let the few I strongly dislike into my wallet. For example, I started working with the Gay Straight Alliance on campus. We have an outspoken anti-gay teacher who has sent hateful emails to everyone (and was told to stop), including a gay coworker. Then he goes and has a slew of kids he can’t support, and we’re supposed to donate to their church camps, which I feel teach and reinforce the hatred he spews. Anyway, rant over, I guess we all have those situations where we don’t want that one guy to get a penny, just on principle.
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When my daughter was in elementary, I would ask her what she wanted to ‘win’ in the fund raiser ‘game.’ I would then just go buy that item and not take the form to work and bother people!!
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I actually disagree with the advice to be explicit about your financial situation. My personal feeling is that it’s not a good idea to wave your frugality in people’s faces. Sometimes a simple, “No, thanks,” will suffice without an explanation. Is it possible that people just resent hearing about your frugality all the time?
Can you maybe just give in a little and budget for a small amount of office spending? You don’t have to contribute for everything, but if you do once in a while, you won’t be the cheapskate who always says no. My coworkers used to have a lottery pool, and though it killed me to throw my money away on something so stupid, a couple of bucks was a small price to pay to make myself part of the group.
The suggestion to bring cookies is a good one. A few weeks ago, I brought plain old chocolate chip cookies to work, and they were a big hit. They only cost me a few dollars to make, but people appreciated them as much as a $20 cake.
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I agree. Erin’s already mentioned she’s experienced resentment. I wonder if it’s because her coworkers feel like she’s judging them? I mean, it’s kind of like being a dieter at a party. Every time you say “No thanks, I’m on a diet,” people might feel put off because they could be doing the same but aren’t. There are a whole lot of emotions wrapped up in saying no — rejection, disappointment, a feeling of judgment. There’s that feeling that “Well, I’m bending the rules. Why aren’t you?”
Okay, perhaps that’s a bad comparison
But I think people are so used to smugness about healthy eating, frugality and “being green” that they often see it even when it’s not there.
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I can’t speak from experience since I’ve never worked in this “office” kind of environment. But I think she needs to stand up for what she believes in, and not spend money on people and parties if it doesn’t meet her budget. (I believe she should be honest and say it doesn’t fit her budget, and she’s not expecting a party when it’s her birthday or life event).
I would recommend to Erin to read “Your Money or Your Life”. First, it would teach her that her job’s job is to put money in her bank account so she can reach her goals, not to provide friends in the form of co-workers. Wouldn’t she rather spend that office party money on socializing with her real friends anyways?
And secondly, next time she’s looking for a job, she would have learned to figure out a job’s real hourly wage by deducting job-realated expenses like these office parties from her actual paycheck, and then she could determine ahead of time whether this job’s wage still meets her financial needs. (I’m sorry if this doesn’t make sense to people who haven’t read the book).
Like I said, I haven’t worked in this environment so I’m not sure what this office peer pressure is like, or how crucial it is to be popular at work. But I think either way at some point in our lives we have to decide what’s more important, reaching our goals or being liked by everybody…
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The office I recently left was mostly younger people so everyone was in a similar financial situation and not many had kids so we didn’t have to deal with the selling junk problem. But I found a person in our group who was similarly frugal (even more so) and worked with her to try to influence the direction the group parties went. Instead of meeting at a restaurant we encouraged meeting at an alternate person’s house for a gathering, potluck-style.
We also have a small group so we didn’t have a problem celebrating major life events like weddings and babies since amongst the group that only happened about once a year.
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I have contributed generously to birthday/wedding/baby showers of those I like. I don’t like being pressured into contributing to those I don’t know or socialize. I actually heard one woman say she needed to stay until she had her baby because she would make a killing on the gifts.
It’s wrong
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As for office gift giving, someday you will be getting married, having a baby or definitely a birthday and it will be nice to be the recipient of a shower or a gift. What goes around, comes around
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That’s presumption. In this case, probably harmless, but this can seriously misfire.
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Oh, so it’s a trade. I see. How vulgar.
What if you actually cultivated relationships in your personal life, instead of pretending that your co-workers are actually your friends?
What if people actually threw parties and gave gifts to those they selected as friends, voluntarily, without expecting it to “come around” to them?
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Wow, I had the same issue at a previous job, and on top of the money the group expectation was Stepford wives….that we would all eat lunch in the cafeteria at the same time, go out barhopping after work (I don’t drink or smoke) and even go away for weekends like we were all “girlfriends” instead of coworkers. I didn’t like most of these women anyway, and the last thing I wanted to do was spend money on them or time away from the hospital.
I caved on the lunches to keep the peace, but always had a family event or community obligation that kept my out of work time “busy”. Eventually I figured out that I would never fit in with a bunch of boozing smokers who were either single or bad-mouthed their husbands, and freely judged everyone outside of the “circle” with contempt. (The off-site manager was just as bad, and a joke in the organization for micro-mini’s, plunging necklines, and a total reliance on her on-site hench-woman to judge professional performance. I left just as soon as I could, and now am thrilled to be working with genuine professionals who act as such.
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As the controller in a 20 person office, I see this as a big problem. We have single moms on very tight budgets and others too. The school solicitations are really the biggest problem. In the current economic environment I think it’s a little easier to say no. I’ve considered making our office a ‘no solicitation’ zone. But don’t want to unnecessarily alienate employees. I guess if it really got out of hand, I would have to give it stronger consideration.
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I’ve run into a few of these situations over the years .. never with an expectation to give gifts but many times an expectation to give money. I always try to throw in a buck or two at least but if I can’t afford more than that I don’t think there is shame in saying so. Having said that, though, I agree wtih Luis is that it isn’t good to affirm for yourself, “I cannot afford” something. I would rather say “I have been working really hard at paying down my debt and part of that is I write out my entire month’s budget ahead of time and unfortunately I didn’t know about this. It would be great in the future to have some warning about upcomming events like this so I can donate more money.” I find people really respect you when you say you are making a commitment to improving your finances .. often it makes them think about what they could do in their own life. The key is to not be complainey about it but enthusiastic about the bright future you are setting up for yourself.
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You can’t win with the office money bleed. They are your coworkers, not your friends, but they oblige you to all “be buddies” in these things. I have no plans to have children, and neither does my partner, and we get bled by friends and “casual friends” for this, let along coworkers. A “good” office will allow people to chip in what they can/want to an envelope vs telling everyone “you must put in X dollars”. When it’s a true friend at work, I’ll put in $20, otherwise they get five. I think the party planners have to be the ones to revise this situation. We don’t permit active campaigning for girl scouts or other fundraisers, but people can leave it on their desk, and if you pass by and want to sign up, you can.
But especially over the past 3 years, rational people would realize we’re not open wallets to support their tea parties and such at work.
And for those that call me a party pooper, I’ve contributed to (I counted) 17 baby showers, 10 bridal showers, and 3 going away parties. I will get NONE of this back due to my life choices, and only a 1/4 of the people were friends. I’d rather be donating this to charities for these people than chipping in to gift cards.
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Jackowick,
I couldn’t have said it better!!
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As far as the office parties go, I have no advice or experience other than to suggest budget a set amount and stick to it. When a request comes in, you can explain that you’ve already reached your budget limit this month by donating to abc event/gift, so xyz event/gift is “not in the budget”.
However, I do agree with Kris on the kids fundraisers. My child(ren) participate in those on a very limited basis, if at all. They are allowed to approach me, my parents and my siblings only. Exception: Girl Scout Cookies….those things sell themselves and people wait anxiously for them each year, even if they are ridiculously over priced. DD did peddle those to the neighbors the one year she participated in Girl Scouts.
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I have worked in an office environment, so I kindof know how you feel.
We did quarterly birthday potlucks (spring, summer, fall, winter birthdays) which made it easy, and not very expensive. I was often asked to bake the cake or desert (but that was OK because I like to bake, and love to make things that people really enjoy). A good thing to do, as another poster stated, is to stock up on cake mix or brownie mix (or flour, sugar and margarine/butter, chocolate chips) as well as pie filling, nuts, etc. when it goes on sale, and use coupons! Then when something comes up, just throw together a chocolate cake, or a “dump” cake. You can bring it in for random occasions too if you like. People love surprise goodies and snacks at the office! Even carrot sticks or fruit if people are on a diet.
I would try suggesting the discreet envelope method too for group gift or party-giving. That’s what we did. Most of the time I didn’t contribute, because I don’t usually carry cash; but no one really knew that I didn’t pitch in! LOL
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Oh yeah, and when I was a kid, my mother never took my fundraising to her work. She said that it wasn’t her job to do the fundraising, it was mine!
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Erin, I can empathize with your situation as I have found myself in the same situation many times. I’m actually a contract worker so I often am asked to contribute to events for others when I won’t even be at this same office when my birthday roles around (because it’s only a 6 month contract, for example). Most of the time, no one even knows when my brithday is.
My recommendation, though, is to learn to put up with it and continue to politely learn to say “no” and appreciate the fact that your coworkers *want* you to go out to eat with them and participate in office events (as frivolous as they may be).
Think of the day comes after you’ve managed to convince everyone you no longer wish to be asked to go to eat, out after work, or participate in work paries. Everyone gets up and leaves the office without ever asking you again.
Someday you may find yourself with a spare $10 but you no longer have an opportunity to enjoy it.
Stick to your (financial) guns, but continue to *politely* state your position and appreciate the fact that you have coworkers that want you to participate.
Personally speaking, as tight as my budget is, I do make some allowances for going out to eat/drinks/having people over/etc…but my wife and I are very social and many close friends, and getting together with them regularly is important to us–and we’ve discovered many ways to do it on the cheap.
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To Russ:
That was a very nice and thoughtful comment…..
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It could just be that coworkers are being polite. I work with a number of people who make it clear that they are on budgets, and I make it clear that I am on one. While I don’t go to everyone’s birthday lunch or going away party or whatnot, that doesn’t mean that I don’t invite people to mine. If they don’t want to go or can’t, I am not offended by them declining, just as I hope they aren’t offended by me. Would you prefer your coworkers constantly exclude you?
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I have to agree that the pressure is very much out there… alive and well. My frustration is putting in for retirement, leaving the area, condolences, baby showers etc and never getting anything back! When I left one unit for another, I didn’t even get a card goodbye… when my grandmother died again, no card from the group. It may seem selfish to some but, seriously??? I have put in hundreds over the years (sometimes more than once for the same person for the same reason like leaving the area!) and I don’t even rate a card? Yeah… not so motivated anymore.
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I used to be a big giver (on my own initiative) around the office with my first high-paying job, but after time I realized I should be saving this money or shifting my priorities. Although I felt I had a big disposable income, I was still on the low totem pole and starting out in life. There were a ton of other things I could use the money for once I changed my perspective to ‘smart’ financial thinking…as well as I have a big family and close friends I’d rather dote on. I still gave, but I tamed it down. As far as soliciting contributions, it’s no one’s business how any one else spends their money. I am still very generous when I can afford to be but I have learned that ‘afford’ is the most important part. It really is. And you can’t judge a book by it’s cover people. It is in my nature to give, but it is all about setting boundaries, at least where you can. My current job is a huge paycut but I was lucky to get one in the bad economy so I’ve stuck with it. I had debt from time out of work, and a car to pay off which took me twice as long with this income, but I have done it. You never know what someone is dealing with. I have had health issues and had lost my apt. due to this low paying job, so you can’t tell anything just because you know what someone makes. They might be helping family or saving for school or retirement, or have had many hardships even though they appear to be doing well. After being super frugal all that time, if I am going to splurge on someone it will be me, or those I love, or things that truly matter. Even $5 or $10 is a lot to me now, and I used to drive a BMW and wear a rolex…but I have learned frugality. I have continued my giving to coworkers when I can, but mostly of my own will and when I felt I could afford it, not having been asked. That is how giving should work. But, best advice is now that you have thought about the issue, define your boundaries and priorities, and try not to get caught off guard like I did this morning. Still, I am going to tell my coworkers that after second thought, I am going to give on my own something I can well afford (which is a re-gift! From Christmas that is lovely but not my taste). Also, sometimes I pick up things on clearance to keep as gifts but mostly only for people I want to give to!
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