Reader Story: How My Parents and I Partnered on a Win-Win Savings Plan For College
Published on - May 29th, 2011 (by J.D. Roth) This guest post from Robb Engen is part of the “reader stories” feature at Get Rich Slowly. Some reader stories contain general advice; others are examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. These stories feature folks from all levels of financial maturity and with all sorts of incomes. Robb writes about personal finance at Boomer & Echo, where he and his mom (she’s the Boomer, he’s the Echo) offer their perspectives on saving, investing, and personal finance.
It’s that time of year when high-school students are thinking about their future plans and what they’re going to do for college. Most will be leaving the nest to live on their own for the first time.
My brother attended college in our home town, so he lived at home, saving on housing expense. However, I decided to get my college experience in another city and, after a long good-bye, set out to live in the campus residence during my first year of school.
Buying a House
Before year two, my parents and I decided to purchase a house for me to live in. We found a five-bedroom house and, since my parents had saved and invested all the family allowance payments they received over the years, we had a nice down payment. (“Family allowance” is the former name for the Canada Child Tax Benefit, which is sort of like the Child Tax Credit in the U.S.)
I assured my parents that I could handle the landlord duties and that I could easily find four students to rent the extra rooms. We opened a joint checking account for depositing rent money and paying the mortgage, utilities, and other bills. To this, we added $2000 overdraft protection in case all the rooms weren’t rented year-round or other unforeseen expenses came up.
Good Decision Gone Bad
Unfortunately, much to my parents’ dismay, I thought this “house account” could be used for my own personal spending. The overdraft quickly reached the maximum and was never entirely paid the whole time we owned the house!
I’m sure it was horrifying to my mom (who was a banker) to have a child with such poor money-management skills. Luckily, all of our bills managed to get paid on time, there wasn’t much tenant turnover, and we didn’t wreck the house too badly. After five years, we sold the house for a modest profit.
Since the money was originally earmarked for my education, my parents allowed me to keep the sales proceeds, which I used to pay off my student loans and purchase a new house. (I still own this second house; I live in it with my wife and daughter.) My money management skills are much better now, and I’ve taken steps to improve my finances since then.
Teaching Real-Life Experience
Despite the recent real-estate market turmoil, I still think this — purchasing a home together — is a great idea for parents who have children moving away to attend college. Buy a house and let your child act as the landlord, managing the bills, finding tenants, collecting rent, and keeping the house properly maintained.
While it’s true that I wasn’t really a fiscally responsible landlord (that was a huge responsibility for a nineteen-year-old!), this experience taught me many valuable lessons.
Before all of you parents out there are scared off because you think your child will destroy the house and leave you in financial ruin, let me highlight some of the benefits of this rental property venture:
- Establishing a good credit rating for your child. As a partner in this venture, I got my name on the title of the house (co-signed by my parents). It felt pretty good to call myself a home owner at the age of nineteen, but the real benefits were in building up a credit rating at an early age.
- Keeping tabs on your investment. Buying rental property in another city can be risky when you aren’t around to check on things. And hiring a property manager to look after the place can be expensive. Although our rental property was located in another city, my parents could still keep tabs on what was going on with the house since their child was acting as the live-in landlord. We shared a joint account for bills, and we could chat any time about any maintenance or vacancy issues.
- Setting up your child for success. Again I was only nineteen when we started this venture. I learned a lot during my five years at this rental property. True, some lessons were learned the hard way…but that’s what life is all about — learning from our mistakes. I managed the household expenses, took care of the lawn and simple maintenance (I stress the word simple), found roommates, replaced roommates, evicted roommates, and really figured out a lot about people and how to be a good judge of character.
While I was in school I managed to work 30 hours a week in the hospitality industry. I advanced fairly quickly, using many of the skills I learned while managing this rental property. The senior administration also held a perception of me as being more responsible and professional than my peers. Whether or not that was true, it certainly helped me stand out from the crowd when it was time to be promoted.
A Creative Solution
For all of you parents out there who are thinking about saving for your child’s education, remember that there are alternatives to just handing over your money and hoping they make the best decision.
Since the money my parents saved ended up being used for a down payment on our house, I still had student loans to pay off. We didn’t come out any further ahead financially, but it was the residual benefits that paid off the most for me.
I know our example wasn’t perfect, but I’m thankful for the opportunity my parents gave me. The experience helped develop some tangible skills that I wouldn’t have learned by staying at home or living in the college dorms.
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Are the potential criticisms still supposed to be there in red?
Interesting story. I’m glad it worked out for you all. That was very nice of your parents.
In our town the cost of buying a student property is less than renting a dorm room (though may break even with renting a house or apartment… I haven’t run the numbers recently and there’s been a lot of new building). So many parents buy investment properties and allow their children to live in them. Living near these houses is usually not so bad when the owners’ children are there, but the neighborhood generally crashes once unrelated students are the only folks living in it.
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Where I went for undergraduate school, many of the parents did the same thing for their kids. Since the school was located in the countryside of NY state, the cost to buy a 3 bedroom house was less than $150K. If I remember correctly, room and board costs often ran about 25-30% of the total tuition cost. This made living off campus a very affordable, ideal option for some kids that were paying for their education without parental assistance. For the kids whose parents could buy them a house, I don’t know if they made any money off of the investment, but they definitely saved on the room and board costs, since it was always cheaper to not be on the student meal plan.
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I think the potential criticisms aren’t supposed to be there. Hopefully JD doesn’t sleep in today!
I don’t agree with the first potential criticism, that the parents didn’t get anything out of this. From my reading, they weren’t really supposed to. The money to buy the house was invested throughout the children’s lifetime and to be used for college expenses. They planned to buy this house for their kid long before he would reach college.
I can’t really speak to the second criticism, that this plan is only for the rich, because there isn’t enough information in the story. It would be nice to have some numbers; how much was invested, the cost of the home, the size of the down payment. And also very importantly, what town and what year was the home bought in.
Considering the mother was a banker, it’s fair to assume the family had money. But even a rich family may not be able to afford this plan. It depends on the town where your kid goes to school.
A five bedroom house in the city I went to school in would cause at least $400k, which seems pretty out of reach no matter the family’s income.
So I think it’s an interesting anecdote that could be made better with a bit more information.
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It’s an interesting concept–if my parents had done this when I went to school, we would have made out like bandits. I started school during a huge real estate bust, and I would have been able to purchase an apartment that would have appreciated well beyond the total costs of my education, within only a few years past my graduation. But if my son were to go there, apartments have become so inflated in price, it would cost us more than his entire education (including dorm residence) just to put a down payment on a space.
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I bought a house with my parents when I started my PhD. It was probably the biggest mistake of my life. The maintenance was enormous and fell completely on me, the ‘landlord’. Many people own homes with a spouse who can be there to, e.g., meet the plumber on days when the other spouse has a big day at work. Instead, I had to cancel meetings. My weekends involved working in the garden and cleaning. Being a landlord is no fun with certain roommates, though mine were pretty awesome most of the time.
I seriously question how many college students can properly care for a house. Most of the older houses in the college town where I lived had been ruined by careless undergrads.
Finally, houses don’t make that much financial sense for such a short time period. Mortgages are the most crazy intense kind of leveraging that ‘casual’ people have access to–it’s 5:1 and 10:1 borrowing–and yet you’re exposed to a *single* investment–one particular house. Many undergrads will be leaving the area in <5 years, which makes home buying relatively more expensive. If the parents have money, it seems a lot safer to use 2:1 leverage to buy more diversified options or similar. That would help avoid another 2008. (The house I lived in for my PhD is still being rented out. I've moved away, and housing prices remain too low for us to sell.)
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I would also think it would be hard for a 19 year old to “lay down the law” for other 19 year olds, if things started to get out of hand.
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I think this is a good point too. Even as a 25-year-old, I felt pressure to let the house go longer between cleanings, to allow more raucous parties, etc. We had old wood floors and plaster walls… and you can’t treat them the way most students treat the inside of a dorm room.
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I agree that real estate is too risky for a short time period. Bottom line is that you will probably have to sell after four years – what if the market has softened in that time?
That said, I’m glad it worked out for Robb.
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I agree in the short term risk of real estate. I’m not too familiar with specific U.S. housing markets but in Canada the college towns are not as prone to the boom and bust cycle of real estate due to the very low vacancy rates from students.
While it’s true that students move out after 4-5 years, there is always a new batch of students moving in. Demand is constant.
That said, it’s important to do your research and understand your own market, as results may vary city-by-city.
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@Echo: Being a “college town” isn’t enough to insure against larger movements by the market. Demand won’t be constant just because new students are moving in. My house was also in a college town–the nearby university even had increasing enrollment–but it was still in a region (the U.S. Midwest) that has been especially hard hit. Real estate prices aren’t immune to larger changes in interest rates, average income, and housing prices in other regions.
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Have to disagree with this statement (of Echo’s). Housing has varied a lot in our college town specifically because the university has been growing and shrinking and there’s been a lot of new apartment building. Same with the college town I grew up in– lots of variation in housing prices. Even college towns see wide variations in housing prices, even when the college is the primary industry.
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How is this a win-win?
My parents had not saved nearly enough money to send me away to College for 4 years and cover all of my expenses. Rather than just using that money to try and pay for my tuition, books, rent and living expenses they chose to invest that money in a rental property so that I could live rent free while going to school.
And because I moved away from home I was able to apply for student loans to cover my expenses for school (it is difficult to get accepted for student loan subsidies if you are living under your parents roof).
It was my responsibility to ensure the other bedrooms were rented out so that the mortgage and utilities were paid each month.
After we sold the house I was able to pay off those student loans due to the small appreciation in house value and reduction in mortgage principle after 5 years.
So, the benefit to my parents was that even though they didn’t meet their savings goals for sending me to College, they were able to leverage the amount that they did save into a scenario that basically achieved the same outcome of covering all of my post-secondary costs.
If we do the math quickly, let’s say they saved $20,000 towards my College education, which would cost me a total of $40,000 over 4 years (including living expenses). They used that $20k as a downpayment to purchase a 5 bedroom home within walking distance of campus for $110k.
I took out student loans each year for a total of $20k. A year after finishing school we sold that house for $125k, which allowed me to pay off my student loans and even left a small amount to help go towards the purchase of a new house.
Is this only a plan for the rich?
I don’t think so. It’s a plan for parents who started saving for their child’s education late, or hadn’t saved enough. It’s an alternative to just giving your child money to spend on rent, car payments, restaurants and booze.
And parents could come up with their own arrangement to split any profits with their child after selling the house. Given the current state of the real estate market in the U.S. I believe there are plenty of 5 bedroom houses available in College towns for under $150k.
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I live in a college town and you can not get even a 1 bedroom condo for 150k. 5 bedroom houses = 400k minimum
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Agreed. Rare would be the college town with a market of habitable $150K 5bdr houses, and no such thing in a regular town/city with a college in it. Here in Cambridge $150K would cover half a bachelor condo.
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Thanks for sharing this part of your story. I think it better explains why this made sense for your parents. For me, going to school in an upper-middle class suburb in California, buying a house was super expensive and not a good choice for most people I knew. Like other commenters said, I am glad it worked out for you!
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Echo, I’m not saying there may not be merits in what you and your folks did, but you’ve got some very fuzzy math going on.
I think at best you’ve swapped the interest rate for your student loans for that of a house loan, which I am assuming is lower. The trade off is that as soon as you assumed ownership of the house you started paying “the loan” as opposed to student loans which are in deferment until you leave college. Is the difference worth it? I don’t know. What are the relative interest rates of a college loan vs house loan? How much interest did you or your parents pay on the house loan while you were in college? What about other costs like insurance, maintenance on the house?
The supposed “win-win” came from capital growth of that house that allowed you to pay off the student loans. This is far from a sure thing, *especially* over a short time frame like 3-4 years. In fact you and your parents were at real risk of making a significant capital loss. Your parents could have lost their initial capital and even more, then you would have been on the hook for your student loans and the house loan!
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Except he wasn’t paying the mortgage – his roommates were. He says he lived “rent-free”. So he traded student loans, which he would’ve had to pay, for a mortgage, which his roommates paid.
The appreciation rate was certainly a risk – this was probably back in the days when real estate was considered a sure bet. Luckily, it worked out for them.
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I got the impression that he meant “rent free” as in, not paying rent, but paying the mortgage. I don’t think the mortgage payment was covered by the roommates.
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Student loan payments are in deferment, but they still accrue interest during that time.
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Depends on if the loans are subsidized (defer interest) or unsubsidized (don’t defer interest), at least in the US.
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First And Foremost,
This Was A Highly-Fascinating Post Which Truly Did Question & Delve Into Challenging The Contemporary Mindset Of Simply Providing Chilren With College Financing From A First-Person Perspective.
Secondly, As A Fellow Canadian And University Student, I Must Say That I Whole-Heartedly Encourage & Admire Your Parents For *Saving* Their Child Tax Benefit AKA “Baby Bonus” Rather Than Simply Spending It…Too Many Children Can Profit Post-Secondary Education-Wise From This Financial Bonus If Their Parents Were To Place These Payments Into Some Form Of Savings Account. (Perhaps J.D. Can Touch On This Topic Of Parents Saving Their Child/ Tax Benefits Etc. Towards A Child’s Future Education Rather Than Their Current Expenses…Hmm…Or A Guest Post?)
Last But Not Least, While I Did Find This Story Intriguing (Speaking As One Who Was In The 19-Year-Old Mindset Simply Several Years Ago) I Would Personally Not Suggest This Housing Concept To Most Parents, As I Feel Many Young Adults Are Not Quite Prepared To Deal With Other Real-Life Expenses Once leaving Home (And Especially Student Loans) Never-Mind Maintaining A House. (This Could Negatively Effect The Credit Rating Of The Parent’s Too — A Concept Beyond The Priorities Of Many Of My Fellow Young Students) Again, I Always Do Enjoy Reading New Suggestions & Alternative-Stories Though…
All Of The Best, Robb
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Seriously?! Please look up netiquette or internet etiquette.
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“Seriously” << Might I Suggest You Investigate Proper Speech, Grammar & (The More Pertinent) Conversational Etiquette. It's Lacking In Your Approach And You Sound Like An Uneducated Adolescent.
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It is difficult to read your comments because you capitalized every single word. First word of sentence and proper nouns only, please.
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This scenario is one that happens a lot in my area because it’s a relatively affordable college town. However, there’s a lot of run-down real estate around here as a result with resulting upkeep issues. I also know of some horror stories – one grad student friend whose parents bought him a condo expecting to turn around and sell it. 5 years later, they can’t get rid of it, won’t let him rent it out, and he’s stuck paying the mortgage and rent at his place at his new job.
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I’m a little confused. If his parents bought the place for him, who is holding the mortgage/title or deed/etc? If your friend does not own the place, he doesn’t have to pay the mortgage. Granted, not paying would almost certainly ruin his relationship with his family, but you can’t force someone to pay for a place they’re not living in and don’t have an interest in.
If he does own the place, how the heck can they stop him from renting it out? I’m not trying to be critical. I am just wondering if this is more of a real-estate and money issue or a family dynamics problem.
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Plenty of Strata Corporations (Canadian version of Condo associations) have rules preventing the units being rented out to non family members. Breaking the rules can lead to weekly fines which would negate any rent and have to be settled before the Condo could be sold.
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Wow – this post is horrible! These parents perpetuated their child’s inability to function and called it an investment? The first time money was withdrawn for personal expenses, the joint account should have been shut down.
“Luckily, all of our bills managed to get paid on time” ??? Luck had nothing to do with it – it was the parents propping up a misbehaving adult-child.
“My parents had not saved nearly enough money to send me away to College for 4 years and cover all of my expenses.” And how much did Echo save? Since when is it required that parents pay for a full ride to college for their grown, adult offspring?
Echo, you should build a grandparents suite on your house so when Boomer retires, Boomer can live with you rent-free.
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There were definitely times my parents felt like they made a big mistake. It’s not for everyone, but this is what we did and I know that the whole experienced helped shape the way I view money now. Sure I made mistakes, but who didn’t when they were that age? I paid back the money that I spent and learned my lesson.
I never said that it was a parents responsibility to save for their kids’ education, but a lot of parents choose to do so. This is just a different spin on how parents can choose to use that money.
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That’s strange. I removed my feedback to Robb when I performed final edits on Thursday. Except checking the changelog, the last paragraph was never cut. I know I cut it, but I must have forgotten to save it.
I knew that eventually something like this was going to happen. I just didn’t know when. I think this is the first time in over five years of writing GRS that I’ve left something like that in, though. That’s one post out of 3166!
Still, I’ll be doubly sure in the future that all of my editing notes are pulled before publication.
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No problem J.D.,
1 out of 3166 is not a bad ratio
Thanks for publishing my story!
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Oh my god… 3166? That’s an average of almost two posts a day, and that doesn’t even take into consideration all the time you were still working at the box shop. Congrats!!
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J.D. No problem!
I can’t believe you post new materials even on Sat and Sun. You never stop inspiring me.
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Interesting article! but not sure how many parents can buy a house for their child. My education was in a different country, where education costs almost nothing, but I do see people here really struggle for education expenses. You must be from a rich family. And I am sure that $2k mistake made yourself stronger in personal finance area. Good article, even if JD introduced you as a non professional writer, you managed to do well, at least better than I write, and I am learning too
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I agree with KS #10. I think this is an interesting scenario, and it sounds like you had challenges in working things out with your parents, and you all agreed to muddle through. So, good for you.
However… I really do not think that it is wise to advise other people to do this. Most savvy PF writers agree that a house is a long-term investment, and you should buy to live for the long haul, not as a pseudo-rental. In your case, what was the advantage of buying over renting? Obviously the education for you was good, but other than that?
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I agree with purchasing a house for your college student! I did just that when my daughter moved half way across the U.S. to go to college. The house payment was cheaper than the dorm fees AND I got that tax write-off on as well! She rented out rooms, and had a much quieter place to study than the dorms. I also required her to work part time to help maintain herself. She lived in that house for 8 years at which time we quit claimed the property and she took her proceeds to purchase a town closer to where she worked.
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I’m glad to hear from a parent who has done this before and had a good experience!
The tax deduction was another “win” for my parents that I failed to mention in the post. Thanks for bringing that up.
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I’m curious if you pay taxes on the rental income, which offsets your tax benefit on the mortgage interest.
I’m not sure what the laws are Federally and in various states on rental income, but I do know that banks are getting stricter because of Federal mandates affecting them, and rental income being deposited into personal accounts is getting flagged for review.
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I can see how this could be a useful teaching tool, but at the same time there’s a huge amount of risk for the parents and the student.
I do think only a rich family could do this without risking financial disaster – the parents need to be able to afford to make that full mortgage payment on top of their own in case the son can’t for some reason. And they need to be able to afford it for the next 30 years, in case the house depreciates or doesn’t sell.
It seems clear that this family could do that, so in their case it was a great idea and worked out well for them. Like others have pointed out, the particulars of the college town also made a huge difference. Where I went to school (Austin and Chicago) a 5 bedroom house near campus would cost half a million at least. Even then, I did know of students whose parents bought them a house (I remember one guy who had 8 housemates).
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It’s tough to generalize and say this is only a plan for the rich. It really depends on the market where you’re buying. My family certainly isn’t rich, and the house we bought cost $110k. We could have purchased a “nicer” 3 bedroom home for $150k, but liked the idea of being closer to the University and having more bedrooms to potentially rent out.
We did a lot of research on the housing market and in this case we felt that the risks were reduced due to the very low vacancy rates. It was never really an issue for me to find tenants, although the turnover was fairly high.
I don’t think we could have shared this purchase with another family though, so I agree with you on the potential problems that may arise in that scenario.
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Nobody thinks they’re rich, but if your parents can afford to comfortably own two homes, they’re rich in my book. Certainly not the average.
That doesn’t discredit this as a possibility though – the site is called get rich slowly so if we’re all getting rich we’d all be able to do this, right?
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Even if they put the full 20% down, it still would have been only $22,000 (which is less than a new car). If they only put 10% down, that’s only 11k. Are you really saying that people that can comfortably afford to have an extra car are rich?
There are plenty of scenarios in which one can comfortably own two mortgages. And I’m not sure it was mentioned anywhere that his parents were still paying their mortgage.
My father is the only major bread-winner in my family (my mom did start working a part-time job a couple years ago)but they still are not even close to upper middleclass. They are very middle middleclass, possibly lower because of the lack of income, but their mortgage is paid off (has been for nearly 10 years) they’ve owned the same cars for close to 10 years, and have minimal expenses. It really wouldn’t take all that much to put 10 – 20% down on a house under 150k.
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When my son was studying Engineering (a 5-yr degree at the university he was at), we were offered the opportunity at the end of his second year to go together with other parents and share buying a house. We thought about it a little bit and then realized owning a house in another city just didn’t appeal to us (especially sharing–who would do what work on it?). Only one family ended up buying one and their son had to skip (Engineering) classes when they needed a plumber, furnace repairman, etc. to come out. He also had to deal with finding tenants (not always easy), making sure the utilities were paid, etc. I’m so glad we didn’t add that stress to our son. 4-5 years isn’t enough time for a real estate investment, in my opinion (at least, not in most places). Houses rise and fall in value and aren’t short-term investments.
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Okay, quick question: Is Robb an only child? I could see this arrangement creating a real problem in families where there is more than one child. My siblings and I lived quite far apart in university, but my parents would never dream of giving one of us a financial advantage over the others. Any thoughts?
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In the post I mention that my brother chose to stay at home and go to school in our home town. He actually played football for our home town University.
My parents saved equal amounts for both of us, so my brother received the money to cover his education expenses.
Good point about equitable distribution for your kids though.
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@Echo Thanks for the response
I actually meant families where two or more children moved away from home. Saving equal amounts for each child is one thing, but how would that work managing two mortgages? (Possibly in addition to one’s own?)
I don’t have kids yet, but this sounds like an interesting idea to start planning for early on.
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My husband bought a condo when he was entered grad school, and his parents co-signed the loan (although never had to pay the mortgage – it was a repo at the very bottom of the market, so it was affordable on a grad stipend). A couple of years later, his younger sister transferred to the same university as an undergrad, and he had a roommate vacancy. She (i.e. their parents) paid a very affordable rent — much less than the going rate in town by then. (I think my in-laws also appreciated having an older brother there to keep an eye on her!) So it can work under some circumstances.
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Your parents sound like very trusting people but, then again, you sound like you were quite trustworthy at 19 too.
Having been in the landlord business, I would not follow this same route. The potential for nightmares is too high for me personally and you were fortunate, by the sounds of things, to have not had too many problems with roommates.
My kids are all at college and my primary focus for them ~ and their focus too ~ is to graduate with highest honors possible. To me, that means focusing on school with a part time job to bring in money to help with rent as needed.
One of my kids rents a studio apartment with a fellow student friend right across the street from campus. When the lease is up in August, we plan to rent a 2 bedroom unit in the same building with 5 roommates. That will cut my rent expenses down to zero. My kid earns enough from a part time job to pay the small balance of rent. I want this particular kid to learn money management skills and this seems like a fair way to do it. Our student loan balance is very small.
Another of my kids was in the army reserves and, now, Physician Assistant school and rent is paid for by the US government. He spent over a year in Iraq. Student loan balance zero.
Another kid is RA on the college housing block and the single room is paid for. Student loan balance zero.
There’s more than one way to skin the proverbial cat but buying a rental (read: animal) house for my kid to play landlord gives me the shivers!!
Kudos to you and your parents for making it work though
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@Quest
Yes, this was definitely an unorthodox approach and I certainly don’t believe that it’s for everyone. It was an interesting experience for both me and my parents.
Look at us now, my mom and I co-author a personal finance blog!
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My parents offered to buy me a condo (well, buy a condo with me, and I’d have to pay back the downpayment because they were going to use a HELOC). This was while I was in grad school. I am glad they didn’t.
I have seen my classmates have both good and bad experiences being a landlord. I really think it depends on the town. Where I went to college, houses were really cheap. Almost everyone lived on campus, so there were no student ghettos. A friend managed to get a house a block from school for an affordable amount, and she enjoyed being a landlord. She was able to use the profits to buy a better house later.
On the other hand, while I was in grad school, I was in a larger and trendy city. A friend bought a cheap house and flipped it with her parents (lots of $$ in — her parents are house flippers). Being a landlord was okay, but she had to take a loss to finally sell the house after the crash of real estate.
Honestly, it could go either way. I’d caution parent and student to be clear about expectations (for example, the first personal withdrawal from that joint account would generate a swift conversation). And I’d also work hard to be sure the house stays in good condition and does not degenerate into crummy student housing that costs a fortune to fix up for a family. And, as a final personal note, be sure to buy a house with good insulation if you’re buying in the north. I lived in a student ghetto house one year. Plastic on the windows to save energy, and I realized I could still feel the breeze through the wall. Water froze on the inside of my walls. I bailed out of that house ASAP.
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@Leah
Like you said, this situation can work well for some, and for others it can be a bit of a nightmare. You need to know who to trust and then do your research on the housing market.
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How is this a win for your parents? It’s a win for you, but what did they get out of it? Also, this is a plan for the rich. How many people can afford to buy a rental property like this?
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I cosign a 2 bedroom condo when my brother worked on his PHD. He rented out one room and that was enough to cover mortgage. He sold the place for a little profit after 5 years. It worked out very well.
This was in Texas so the condo was affordable back then at around 60k.
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@retireby40
At $60k that sounds like a pretty sweet deal!
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An experience like this is invaluable! I am sure you learned a lot from it. It gave you hands experience and probably helped to make yur judgment more mature. That is how you distinguished yourself from your peers. My children were involved in my businesses which included a fast food restaurant and income property (apartments & shopping center).
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Why do people think Robb’s family was rich?
The property was just over $100k – you need a down payment and a willingness to take some risk.
That’s not the same thing as being rich.
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I think that is still out of reach for many families, and even more out of reach if the kid attends college in a town with pricey real estate.
I know my family would have been in no shape to take on a project like this. The only way I would have considered it (and figured out the numbers, how long I’d take to graduate, how much I would need to work, etc) is if I knew I wanted to stay in the area after graduation. Now I’m in professional school and I KNOW I don’t want to stay anywhere near hear (sorry Essex County, you’re justnot that lovely), so the conversation is moot on that point alone.
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One thing to keep in mind when figuring the math in this case is that if he went to school in Canada (which he may well be since he mentions the Canada Child Tax Benefit), he’s not pay 40-50k in tuition costs, more like 5-6k.
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@Kate
Tuition costs where I went to school (yes, in Canada) were about $400 per class. 10 classes per year = $4000 x 4 years = $16k
Books were another $1k per year.
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@ Kate, it depends on the program and the school. Robb’s tuition costs were obviously lower because he went to school several years ago (at least). Tuition has gone up significantly at some schools, and many have re-regulated tuition (i.e. a science, computers or business degree might cost you more than an arts degree).
Still, we do get off easy compared to the States, but Americans seem to have more money from scholarships and bursaries than we do so maybe it balances out?
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wow, i had no idea the numbers were so different! thanks for educating me about that.
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You need some degree of wealth — at least on paper — to qualify for a second mortgage…
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Hi- I really liked this article! I wish I had thought of saving the child-tax credit for both of my sons to help fund college or to purchase a rental property for them to live in and help manage in college.
I agree that parents who partner with their children to help them learn life lessons are doing their child a favor.
Robb, thanks for an intriguing idea. I”m going to suggest this to my sons to consider as another way to save and plan for the future- before they start having children
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Thanks Michele, I don’t know if I will do the same for my daughter when she is at that age but I will definitely consider it. In the meantime, yes I am saving the Child Tax Credit towards her education.
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In university, I lived in a house owned by an acquaintance’s parents and it was terribly run. Because we shared a bathroom, a kitchen, and a living room with the landlord’s daughter, neither party was subject to the Landlords and Tenants Act. This ended up being both good and bad for us – bad because there was absolutely no maintenance and good because we were able to terminate our lease with two days notice and not lose any money.
Due to that situation, I would never consider buying a house for my child to act as a landlord during university.
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There are ways ways to make something NOT work (a la the negative comments), but it sounds like your parents figured out a way TO make it work.
I had a friend in college who’s father did exactly the same thing only they had three of their four sons attend the same in-state school. My friend was the youngest and made a fantastic – and very tough – landlord.
He still owns rental property today and is personally worth several million dollars because of the lessons he learned.
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Given that housing and meal expenses comprise a significant percentage of student loans out there it is not a bad idea for people to consider this as a reasonable option.
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While I commend you on a job well done with your investments (house and education), I have to say I think this is a best case scenario. I don’t think this is something people should try with their kid unless he/she seems very responsible to begin with.
My parents did the same thing with my sister in college, but without a joint account. They still ended up paying lots of money for her credit card debt when she graduated eight years later. Luckily, the house wasn’t too badly taken care of and my parents were able to sell it.
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Sounds like a great idea that has high upside, but severe downsides. If your child is bad with money, several bad things could happen:
1. Child gets bad credit before graduating college
2. Parents may be on the hook for payments
3. If parents don’t have the funds, their credit could get a hit
Personally, I would have liked the experience, and being a Finance major, I hope I would be able to manage money in college.
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I’m glad it worked out for the author. Personally I wouldn’t risk it event though I think rentals are a good investment otherwise.
This might work out in some areas but finding college towns where the numbers work is not easy. There are a few. I know one town where a 4-5 Bed house goes for $150-$175k range and rents would easily cover all your bills. But many cities it would be prohibitively expensive to buy housing.
Buying rental property short term carries a lot of risks. First you have the expense of closing a mortgage. Then you have the cost of paying a realtor to sell it. In a short period of time you may lose money unless you’re banking on the property appreciating. Not a safe bet nowadays. Thats not even mentioning the other risks of being a landlord. I also wouldn’t assume you can rent all your rooms out 12 months of the year, many college towns turn into ghost towns in the summer months. There can be some tax benefits from depreciation but those are paid back in taxes when you sell. Worst case the property goes down in value and you are unable to sell it then you are left being a long distance landlord in an investment thats losing money.
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My friend’s parents did this for her older sister, and they had to budget very carefully because they either had to charge the renters for a full year (even if they only lived there eight months) or were often left without renters in the summer months.
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We just did this for our oldest. She is planning on attending MSU. So we found a foreclosed home three miles from campus, 1400 square feet and purchased it for 17m two years ago. While she is attending the local community college, we have been slowly updating the home. No, we are not rich, just budget our funds tightly. But I figured if it was less then what room & board would cost us, we would be ahead. Plus whatever we get for renting the other 2 rooms. By the time she is done with vet school, we will turn around and sell it. It depends on the market if this is feasible for every family.
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Sounds like a great plan Brigitte, good luck!
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“purchased it for 17m two years ago”
Did you maybe mean 17k as in $17,000?
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Yes sorry, the house was $17,000. I have updated the roof, the 2 bathrooms and the kitchen. This past fall, I install a furnace & water heater. This has been all with cash as I saved up for the next step. So no mortgage.
Last year my husband got a 12 month contract in Lansing so we used the hse M – Th and came home on the weekends. I still need to fix a room upstairs, siding(really optional)and the garage. But as my cash flow allows.
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We had a family friend do this, but all three of their kids went to college in the same beachy town. It is now a vacation home, about four hours from their permanent home, and saved dorm costs for a cumulative 12 years while also bringing in roommate income (it’s basically paid for itself).
I think this type of arrangement is a terrifically creative way to avoid racking up room and board debt.
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I love this idea. Since my husband and I live in Houston, TX, we could actually do something like this if we ever have a kid and he/she goes to college. The houses around campus are $150k-$250k and we could definitely have enough for a good downpayment and the first year’s tuition…then it would be their responsibility to save the profit between the mortgage and the total rental income to use for years 2 and on…
Thanks for the idea!
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We live near a college town and this is quite common. Parents buy for four years and sell it to the next parents. The houses are well within range of this being possible for regular middle class couples.
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@Samantha #71
Yes, my roommates were paying the mortgage. 4 roommates at $300 rent per month each covered mortgage and utilities for that property.
I lived there without paying any rent or utilities, with the exception of a few months during one summer where I only had 2 roommates.
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Graduating college debt-free should be the goal of every student (and a tremendous gift from their parents). How do you do it? It might involve changing expectations about what college is, but in general:
- Save first, reduce expenses through scholarships or living at home, then pay as you go. Size your education to what you can afford doing that.
- Look for other alternatives like work-study programs or employer-sponsored tuition grants.
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It was interesting reading this post by my son and all the comments. I’d like to clarify some points:
-We definitely are not rich. I’d classify us as middle class only.
-Buying the house seemed like a better alternative at the time to living in res. Mortgage payments have been mentioned, but you don’t live anywhere away from home for free, whether res or a rental.
-I never would have put my credit worthiness in jeopardy. Working in a bank I was able to keep tabs on what was going on with the account. I’m sure the house was only cleaned when I came to visit. I threatened and he promised – and it worked out.
-I made some good investments and just (and I mean Just) barely rescued the money from the “Asian Flu” crisis which wiped out a lot of mutual funds. Most of this was used for the down payment.
-We assumed an already existing mortgage so we didn’t have to qualify for two mortgages.
-Remember this was back in 1998 well before the housing boom, especially in that town. With an original approx. $12,000 down payment we netted (after legal, real estate etc fees) just under $36,000 when we sold in 2003
-Would I do this today? Most probably not.
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I agree that this could be a really great way to teach college kids about managing money. It also helps them begin to understand the true cost of things in the “real world”.
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I had a friend who used this same strategy with her parents but ended up getting burned; they bought a nice four bedroom house for about $80k and invested around $15k in fixing the basement and a few other things. They did all this on an ARM loan with the first 4 years in interest-only payments, figuring that this way she’d have three tenants paying the much smaller interest payment and she’d be able to cash out with a tidy profit before the she had to start paying back on the principle. Unfortunately, all these plans were made and the house was bought in 2006, when real estate was still looking like a rosy investment. Then the bubble burst and now her house is worth much less than the loan she took to buy and improve it. Her formerly tiny interest payments have become large principal and interest payments, and the only way out looks like a big loss. It didn’t sound like a bad plan in the beginning, but the ending really goes to show how risky it can be…
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I think this will definitely vary from city to city as well as what the housing market is doing right now.
After the huge housing bust a few years ago, now would be a GREAT time to do this.
On the other hand, anyone who bought a house in 2006 or 2007 (sorry Hanna!) would have been burned big time.
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It is so incredibly hard for me to relate to stories like this, especially ones that reference how “my parents hadn’t saved up enough money for me to go to college”. I never, ever had any hope or expectation that my parents were saving for me to go to college, and because of that I worked hard to get good grades, do tons of extra-curricular activities, and every summer from the age of 14 (in between 8th and 9th grade) I worked more than full time to buy basic necessities for school like books, supplies, clothes, and to pay for any expenses incurred by my activities such as cheerleading uniforms. I also bought my first car.
This was not a win-win for you and your parents. This was a win for you, and I’m glad it worked out. I just recently turned 28 and I know I sound like a curmudgeon about this but if you voluntarily picked up, left the offer of free rent in your parent’s home, and went to another state I fail to see why your parents felt any obligation to do this for you. This is purely a philosophical difference in opinion, of course, and I realize I may be alone in being completely confused at what I see to be a strange and unhealthy expectation that parents should underwrite whatever college experience a child chooses to have.
I received a full scholarship, but if I had not I had already planned on attending a local community college and moving in with my father and paying him rent while I worked full time and went to school. Even with the full scholarship, I worked full time. You mention working 30 hours a week, having no rent, and using student loans to pay for school- I’m curious to know where your earnings from that nearly full time job went? That seems to be a financial aspect left out of the story, and I’m interested to know if you invested it, saved it, etc.
I’m also a bit appalled that you would simply help yourself to 2,000 of overdraft protection, although the “misunderstanding” may have been the fault of your parents for not clearly explaining what the money was for. I’m not trying to come off harsh, please read my tone as one of being just kind of shocked and confused, and having no way to relate to family dynamics/expectations of financial support.
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@Cortney
I’m not sure what is so shocking and confusing about parents wanting to support their children’s education.
Many parents have savings goals for their children to attend University. I didn’t hope, and certainly didnt expect that my parents would help pay for my education.
How does choosing to attend University in a different city change the fact that my parents had put away money for our education every month for over a decade?
They didn’t take it out of their retirement account, it was ear-marked for our education all along.
I didn’t expect everyone to relate to the story because it was not the typical way to help put your kid through school, and it’s not without risk.
Judging by all of the comments, some people are already doing this, others are thinking about doing this, and many would never ever consider doing this.
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It’s not shocking or confusing to me that people put away money for their children to go to college- but to me that is pure icing on the cake of all the other things one’s parents provide. I’m shocked in general (not just in this instance, as I may not have explained very well) that underwriting the education of one’s offspring has come to be an expectation, with what seems to be little to no boundaries or limits.
My point about going out of state was that, had you stayed *in* state, as you stated your sibling did, your parents would not have needed to purchase a home for you, because you could have lived at home, perhaps you could have gone to a community college the first two years and saved up, thus stretching the money they had saved and the money you were earning further.
As I thought I made clear in my original comment, I realize this is just a difference of opinion. I’m glad it worked out for you and your parents, and I’m not making a unilateral value judgment on your respective actions. I’m simply saying that I’m often surprised at the “blank check, anything goes, whatever my kid wants to do about college I’ll go along with” attitude that many parents take in their approach to dealing with funding college.
I realize my curiosity about what you did with the money you were earning, and questioning the use of the 2,000 overdraft, may have been too prying and uncomfortable for you to answer and thus I apologize. I was just trying to wrap my head around the full financial picture, and it wasn’t until I started typing up my comment that I realized it hadn’t been addressed in the original article.
My entire comment was more of a tangent on the way paying for college for one’s children can seem like a pretty bad deal for the parents, who all too often seem to have expectations put on them of supporting whatever the child wishes to do. All too often I hear “well, I was offered a full scholarship in my home state, but I wanted to go away to an Ivy League school to get my English degree, so I chose to take out loans to pay for out of state tuition and a dorm and my parents paid for half of it”. Some variation on that theme. To me, part of being a good, frugal example to one’s children is stepping in and saying “um, I’m not paying for you to go off to another state if you can get a good education here for much cheaper and you can be more personally responsible for it”.
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Step one: be born to parents who can afford to save or invest all their child tax credits…
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I have a meta-question. There is an assumption behind this post, and most people accept it, that it is the obligation of the parents to save money for their child’s college education. I work with many people who also assume that they will pay for their child’s college education (also their cars, but I have no question that *that* is unnecessary).
I paid for my own education, and I feel like I appreciated it much more than other students. I feel like I have more pride in myself than I would if I had a free ride. I internally debate over whether or not I should be responsible for paying for my child’s college education. I know that I was in that situation because my parents couldn’t afford to help me. But what if they could have afforded to? Is it morally correct to pay for a kid to go to college or can it be said that you have a moral obligation to let them earn their own adult education? I’d like to see this as perhaps a question to the readers. What do others think about this?
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I agree with you, Lindsay, about the assumption behind this post. You expressed yourself better than I did up above, in my comments and subsequent conversation with Echo.
I also had no expectation that my parents would pay for college. That motivated me to work harder in school to graduate valedictorian so that I could get a scholarship. It motivated me to take on many extra-curricular activities during the school year. Due to a lack of funds, I began working every summer from 8th grade on to pay for school supplies, clothes, and all costs associated with extra-curriculars.
When I went to college, I worked full time and went to school full time, yet I often had more free time than my friends who only went to school because I was forced to manage it and schedule it in. I had an active social life, 3 jobs totaling about 45 hours a week, and I maintained the GPA required for scholarship. Again, because I knew I had to graduate within 4 years or I’d have to pay out of pocket, I did. Whereas many of my acquaintances who had parents paying didn’t graduate for 5 or 6 years.
As I said above, to Echo, I suppose I can understand a certain amount of help that is agreed to prior. As in, the parents say “here’s what we’ll do, here’s what you need to do”. What I can’t STAND, however, is the situation I described above- the expectation that a parent just gives a blank check to underwrite whatever harebrained plans his/her child has. There is an incredibly large difference between saying “we’ll let you live here rent free while you work and go to school, as long as it’s a public, in state school, and we expect you to fight for scholarships” and saying “sure, flit off to Harvard, states away, and get an English degree while we co-sign the loans and take out a second mortgage”.
It’s the “anything goes and parents have to pony up the cash or else they’re crappy parents who aren’t preparing their kids for life” mentality that bugs me the most.
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@Cortney
I agree with you that the blank cheque approach is wrong, there definitely needs to be some guidelines in place. In our case, the money my parents saved was for our post-secondary education and we wouldn’t have received a penny had we not gone to school.
My situation was a bit different since I left home, but that just changed the delivery method, not the intentions.
I think you are making an incorrect assumption about me leaving home to go to school.
First of all, I live in Canada, not the U.S. All of our schools are public. I didn’t “leave State”, I moved 2 hours south of Calgary to attend a different University.
The University I went to was probably a bit cheaper as far as tuition goes.
I understand your point about leaving home to go to a more expensive school like Harvard and expecting the same parental support, but I just wanted to clarify that wasn’t the case in our situation.
Ironically, I work now for the same University that I attended back then and, as an employee benefit, our kids get free tuition if they attend school here (if I’m still working there in 16 years).
If my daughter decided to go to school elsewhere it would definitely impact the amount of financial support we could give to her.
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Echo, I’m sorry you feel I’m making assumptions about you, that was not my intent with anything I said to Lindsay in this thread. I know I referenced our conversation above, but this entire comment thread and my response to Lindsay was no longer about your specific situation. It was, as she said, about the assumption behind the post, which is that parents pay for college (at all, in part, in full, however that help may look). Any examples I may have used here were not meant to be construed as any kind of assumption about your parent’s approach. As I said, she expressed herself far better than I did when she questioned the underlying philosophy behind taking such action in the first place, and the expectations placed on parents when it comes to financing the education of their children.
I am very sorry for overlooking the hyperlink in parentheses referencing the fact that the Family Allowance is Canadian. By overlooking that I certainly did make an incorrect assumption that this story was based in the US.
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http://www.tiphero.com/tips_3839_how-to-send-your-child-to-college-for-free.html
There is a very similar story here, except that the person is from Alabama.
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