This guest post from Maggie is part of the “reader stories” feature at Get Rich Slowly. Some stories contain general advice; others are examples of how a GRS reader achieved financial success — or failure. These stories feature folks from all levels of financial maturity and with all sorts of incomes.
A year ago, my husband was unemployed. We were living far from our families, and dealing as best we could with a massive amount of student debt. Though we had trimmed all possible expenses, we were barely able to live month to month, let alone get ahead on anything or indulge in any small luxuries. Though I loved my job and was paid relatively well, we decided to make a big change and move back to our home state.
Further education
Within six months of beginning my job search, I found a position that answered many of our financial problems and also allowed me to achieve some personal goals as well. I now work for a public research university in our home state. One of the most significant advantages of this position is that my employer, like many universities, offers full tuition benefits to me as an employee.
There’s been some debate on Get Rich Slowly about the value of further education, but in my field a Master of Arts is pretty much a necessity for professional advancement and salary growth. Earning my master’s degree has long been a personal goal of mine as well, but not one that I thought I’d be able to achieve; I didn’t want to add to our already large amount of student debt.
Now, however, I’ll be able to work full-time and continue to earn income while receiving a degree that will help me have greater professional flexibility and income in the next couple of years. The financial savings? Approximately $24,000 in tuition, plus no need to take out additional loans to cover housing costs. And while it’ll take me an extra year to complete the degree, three years from now I will have a new degree and three more years of experience to add to my resume.
Added benefits
There have been other advantages to this move as well. My former employer had ended all merit raises and offered a relatively low annual salary increase. By moving, I was able to negotiate a new salary that was much higher than my old one.
The university also offers a free gym membership and fitness classes to all employees, saving me an additional $50-$100 a month and allowing me to achieve another personal goal of working toward better overall health (a goal that I simply didn’t have the personal discipline to attain on my own). Finally, as in many college towns, the university has its own transportation system. While I live close enough to my office to walk or bike, I can hop on a free university bus anytime I like just by flashing my employee ID.
And the icing on the cake? A full-service pottery studio, complete with all equipment and supplies, to which I can buy an unlimited pass for just $35 a year, a huge savings that will let me more fully pursue my favorite hobby.
Though we were living in a city that had a low unemployment rate and moving to an area that had a much higher one, my husband previously had great difficulty finding work despite his best efforts. Since the move, however, he’s had three interviews in the space of a month and was just offered a great job. Between his new job and my increased income and other free perks at work, we’re finally going to start our debt snowball and even eventually start thinking about buying our first home. We’re also much closer to friends and family, so we spend less time and money traveling to see people.
Taking a risk by moving to a new state and starting a new job has paid off well for us. We’re better off financially, and also much happier to be close to people and places we care about.
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This is a great story. I did a similar thing after grad school and moved back to my undergrad city. I didn’t have any job prospects lined up and everyone thought it was pretty risky to move without a job offer instead of waiting it out at home, but I just knew my prospects would be better elsewhere. A few months later, I had a job offer and I’ve been working there for a year now. It can really be scary to take risks like this, but it can also pay off as you’ve shown.
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Great story! We are currently living on one income, and it does stretch very far where we live in the suburb of a big city. I hope after my husband finishes his Ph.D. and two years of a post-doc, we can move back to our home state and save a bundle of money. Thanks for the inspiring story!
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Good for you for making a jump and proactively changing your life in so many ways. It’s so easy to stay where you are and eke out a meager living- what a huge net gain this move will be for you.
Please consider this as you ponder buying a home: if you’d owned a home a year ago you probably would not have been able to make the move you did. Many many people have found in the past several years that the home they bought has been a poor investment and an anchor keeping them in an unhappy situation much like the one you escaped.
Remember- you either rent a home or you rent the money to own a home. One of those options leaves you a lot more freedom than the other.
Buying a home may make perfect sense for you at some point in the future, but do consider the possibility that it might not.
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ditto on this. I always tell people that you can rent from a landlord or rent from a bank. One of them only requires 30 days notice to move. The advent of the 30 year mortgage is wonderful in very limited circumstances, but for most people it ends up being a trap.
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I totally agree. When you’re done paying off your student loan debt save up that money ’til you have enough for a house. I wish society kept doing this longer rather than having debt more easily available. At least save up 1/2. =)
But this comment is coming from someone who starts work next week. We don’t need the money to live, but I want to pay off my house or pay for an apartment addition (think varied form of income) with the money I earn.
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The problem with renting for me is, similar to Maggie, I live in a small college city and work for the public university there. Because such a large portion of the rental population is students, it’s very difficult to find a decent rental that does not require a 12-month lease and usually around 90-120 days notice if you’re moving out at the end of your term.
I could continue renting for a while, but one of the big benefits – flexibility – is very limited due to the housing landscape here. Therefore I’m doing my best to get rid of all debt and save up for a potential mortgage in a few years. In some ways, in my town, it’s actually MORE flexible to own than to rent. This is really more of a goal than a firm plan for the time being, but still something I’m striving toward (as well as working toward my Master’s through a tuition benefit!).
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I’m very happy for you and glad the move has worked out. But I’m not sure what readers are to take away from this article. Is the thesis about taking risks or about working for the college you’re attending?
If it’s going to be a personal story for us all to learn from maybe make it a bit more personal. For example, what state are we talking about? Is there a reason your husband is finding greater success at job hunting in the new location?
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Though I do try to choose reader stories that offer some sort of advice or lesson, sometimes a reader story is just a reader story.
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I have to agree with Seth… we come here to learn. If there’s nothing to learn from a post, then it’s inherently uninteresting.
The best tip from this was the info on the benefits of working for a university. (something I already knew, so I was pretty bored by it)
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Sometimes it is nice to be reminded that by taking a calculated risk, we can get rewards. It is Sunday, my brain needs a break. A nice day for a happy story.
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There are plenty of lessons in this story:
-moving to a town that, on paper, seems less lucrative than the one you’re in might actually pay off
-going back to school offered some nice perks such as free transport and gym membership
-changing jobs can net you a larger raise than sticking it out at your current one
I think this was a great reader story and it cast a positive light on going back to school.
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Working at a university is definitely a good way to further education! Furthermore, there’s lots of ways to do it. My way has been much less lucrative but still good. I’m a scientist making the switch to being a classroom teacher, and I work as a TA (teacher’s assistant, a laughable title because I actually teach the classes). Unfortunately, TAs aren’t well paid at most schools. My current school covers about half of my tuition costs and gives me enough to live on but no benefits other than those given to any student. But I am earning my teaching credentials and a second master’s degree with far less loans than any other school at which I looked.
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I wish I lived in your state. Our public research flagship university’s budget has been savagely cut for the last 3 years. This year another 18% has to go. No “free” benefits, no free tuition, no longevity pay…not to mention no raises for the past three years.
I’m glad for you, but I’d love to know what state is in such a great financial position.
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I don’t think that Maggie is the “Self-Taught Economist”. A leftover from last week?
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Thanks for sharing your story and congratulations on having the will to improve your situation! I do agree with the previous comment though, it would be interesting to hear a few more details regarding what “risks” you were taking and what you had to overcome in order to get to this incredible job and lifestyle. It sounds like it was all upside no downside. I’d love to hear more details. Thanks!
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That sounds like an awesome opportunity! I see a lot of people taking advantage of similar opportunities here in New Haven at Yale University. They offer great benefits as well as perks of taking free classes. If I was interested in earning another degree, I would definitely look to employment at a college or university.
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Moving is a big risk, I am glad it paid off for you. Your job sounds like a great opportunity. Best of luck!
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Great story, Maggie, and very happy for you to have taken a risk that has paid off so well. Best of luck to you and your husband as you tackle new jobs – exciting!
I did have to chuckle as you listed working full time, getting your masters, going to the gym and using the pottery studio all in the same breath – girl, you must be living days that have more than 24 hours in them!! Still, it doesn’t hurt to try to fit all of that in and they are some amazing benefits, especially in a time when most places are making cuts in the extras.
You are right; many times making that leap of faith into the unknown is a real life-changer for the better. All the best to you.
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I think I am not the only one to not get the moral of the story, but any way JD clarified that sometimes a readers story is just a story.
All the best Maggie for getting over debt.
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Something I should have mentioned in the original story–we had to use up most of our emergency fund to pay for the cost of the move. So besides the general risk that everything would work out and that we’d both be able to find jobs that would improve our situation, there was the added financial risk of losing most of our savings.
I think an additional moral could be that, if you think another degree is in your future, consider working for a university, public or private. Large universities have positions to tempt people from many, many fields (research, marketing, finance, management/administration…)
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I think that people missed the fact that you moved *prior* to having a job.
My friends just did that — they looked at the cost of property where we grew up and realized it was too much. They’re getting a small business (photography) off the ground right now and need space without massive debt. They moved four hours south, were able to afford a home, and managed to find jobs within a few weeks of moving. They have space for their business, and it’s not too far of a drive to go back home for the weekend to shoot weddings in a bigger and more lucrative market.
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Sorry, but how is taking a job at a Universality a “Risk”? That’s probably one of the most conservative things you can do. In my opinion, taking a risk would be going to work at a start up.
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Also I should add other employees pay for tuition. For example mine pays around $12K a year for tuition, training courses, books, etc. It’s hard to spend $12K a year when you are working.
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I think it also falls into the “nice work if you can get it” category. In my town, university jobs are highly coveted (for all those perks listed in this post) and you HAVE to know someone to get past the electronic job application system. It is really, really tough to get a foot in the door unless you’re an alum or have some other connection.
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I live in s small city with a large public university, and I took advantage of some of the same opportunities as Maggie, such as reduced tuition because my husband worked at the university, and (a big one): free public transportation, anywhere, for students and staff. I also noticed that in a university town there are other advantages for people of limited means. The university needs a huge support staff, so I knew people who had jobs in the cafeterias, grounds, dorms, and offices. Because students need housing, there are also many homes for rent at low prices, and students looking for roommates. Not great jobs or homes, but something. If I found myself in straits and was able to move, I’d definitely seek out a college town in a low cost of living area.
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My partner and I work at a private school with a specialized focus. We don’t have kids, but many of the staff do. They work here for the free tuition — when you have a few kids in fancy private school and participating in expensive specialized activities, it adds up. If our future kids ever get into this activity, I imagine we’ll come right back here to work again.
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Great move, and congratulations, but I don’t know how much this was a risky move… I think it was riskier to stay away. Let me explain.
Since we were discussing the myth of Horatio Alger the other day, and the false premise that all other things are equal besides the individual, I thought about the extra security offered by moving back to your home state.
I’ve lived in many places though my life, and I know that being away from home can be very risky in itself– little support and opportunity from a social network, lack of familiarity with local customs that make social life a minefield, the stress of isolation, etc. By moving back home, one can gain a much greater social network, family support, and you have people to help out with anything from moving house to making you a hot meal, maybe even offer a place to crash temporarily. Add to that the advantage that you bring outside knowledge and experience to your employers, and you’re suddenly more valuable than you were elsewhere.
Just for curiosity–could you talk about the people and things that helped you along the way in this move back home? How did you make connections to these new jobs, situations, etc? What help did you get along the way? I think hearing about it would help illuminate the place of community (if any) in successful personal endeavors.
Thanks for the story!
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(JD, will editing be back soon?)
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Working on it.
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Great comment – more details like that would have made this a much more interesting post!
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While the risk involved in this story was really the move to a different area without having a job in hand, try a real risk: leaving your full-time job to go back to school full time. That’s what I’ll be doing this month, resigning from a job I’ve held for the past 5 years to start a doctoral program. Sometimes I look at the economy and think that I must be insane! But I have a teaching assistantship, my husband has a job, we have a place to live and reliable transportation, and some savings in the bank… I’m just hoping that the information I’ve been reading from personal finance websites and books will help with the transition this fall.
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We did what you are doing, but my husband was the one heading back to school and I didn’t have a job (only worked part-time two of the five years he was doing his PhD). My husband worked for four years after finishing his Bachelors and Masters and then went to an Ivy League for a five year PhD in the sciences. We had two children when he started, three by the time he graduated. And we walked away with no debt (his tuition was paid for and he got a stipend but that still put us below the poverty line for a family of 4) and he’s been in a job he loves now for two years since graduating. I think the key for us was planning. We knew for about 2 years before he headed back to school that was where we were headed so we made very calculated decisions to help us get there in the best possible financial situation. I’d love to tell our story sometime. I’ve often thought about writing a book about surviving a PhD with a family and all the logistics involved.
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It can be done. My husband left his full time job last fall to go back to school. Between my job and our savings we had enough to barely get by, and we knew he could get some kind of part-time job. (I carry our health insurance, so that was thankfully not an issue.) In the end we were extremely fortunate that he had good contacts and was able to land a part-time consulting job that offered us much more financial flexibility.
The biggest hurdle we face is the logistics. My husband goes to night school and studies on the weekends, so I’m on my own with everything – house, kids, extracurricular activities – for most of the week. I’m dreading September!
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It couldn’t hurt to find out which government programs you qualify for. For the poster that mentions being below the poverty line, I hope you were on food stamps!
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We actually weren’t on food stamps, because we had an IRA from my husband’s previous jobs which we would’ve had to use first and weren’t willing to do that. Since we knew we wouldn’t be able to afford to add to our retirement funds for the 5 years he was in school we didn’t want to lose the money we already had invested in retirement funds.
There were other sources of government aid we were able to access though such as WIC, low-cost insurance (only my husband was covered by the school, the kids and I had to pay), free school lunch for the kids. At first I felt bad using these programs, but I actually spoke with the director of WIC in our area and she said that was what it was intended for was short-term needs while people got back on their feet or were trying to improve their situation. Plus I figure since his salary was significantly higher upon graduation we pay a lot more taxes now, in essence paying back what we used.
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I left a job I hated that was in another state just over four years ago. I took a job with my University in my home state and it has worked out well for me. I completed my Master’s degree (tuition free, I only paid for books) and I now have a lot more time to pursue hobbies and fitness.
When I took the leap, I took a 50% pay cut. I traded in 80 hour weeks for 50 to 60 hour weeks. I was promoted within a month and then I received another promotion two years in. It is amazing what happens when you actually enjoy what you do. During this time I managed to lose 80 pounds, quit smoking, and incorporate fitness into my daily schedule.
Sorry for the long comment but I would advise anyone to take a leap if you are miserable in your current situation. Life is too short to spend with an ulcer!
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Great story, Maggie! Congrats on the new jobs and the successful move. I can definitely relate to the part about the massive amount of student loan debt. Moving can be very scary, especially since you had a job at your old place and weren’t at all certain of a new job. Hope it continues to pay off for both you and your husband.
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Oh my gosh, what a great story of risk and success! Now that I am away from my family (military relocation), I can’t wait to get back! Congratulations on your new job, and I hope that excellent health and higher education come sooner than anticipated.
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Thanks for sharing us your story! I something think that going back to school would be a good idea (I don’t have a BA), but the costs, shaky economy, and my disability stops me in my tracks with fear – most of it financial fear. With that said, it’s good to hear/read stories like yours.
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Thanks for sharing us your story! I sometimes think that going back to school would be a good idea (I don’t have a BA), but the costs, shaky economy, and my disability stops me in my tracks with fear – most of it financial fear. With that said, it’s good to hear/read stories like yours.
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I did something similar when I moved back to my home state. I worked for a university and got a second master’s degree and I was in my 40s.. While I still had to pay 50% of my tuition, I knew it wouldn’t get any easier or less expensive to get that degree. Some of my fellow students, who were also older,really opened doors for me professionally. It was one of the best decisions I ever made.
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Great story, Maggie! How exciting and wonderful for you, and a good inspiration for the rest of us to take that risk and look for jobs with other benefits. Of course at the back of my mind, I’m thinking, “That worked for her, but not in my situation…” but why not? There’s a way to make it work for anyone.
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I just signed up for some classes at a local community college. It was only about $250 for 7 credit hours and it allows me to use their gym for free. I was also able to defer my student loans to use the money to pay off higher interest loans. Win-win all the way around.
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When I graduated with my bachelor’s degree in 2000, I immediately went back to school for my master’s degree by working at the university full time. I got free tuition and all the benefits that the author described and I deferred my bachelor’s loans, too. Nothing beats getting paid to get educated. In my field this was a great thing because after only 1.5 years, I had my master’s degree and moved on to a better job where I doubled my salary and was able to pay off my bachelor’s student loans within a few short years. Congrats Maggie!
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